Trying To Dump The Deuce

December 31st, 2015

darrelle revis 0302Here’s a trivia question for you:

In 2015, how many more interceptions does Darrelle Revis have than all Bucs cornerbacks combined?

The answer is three!

Revis has five. For the Bucs, Sterling Moore has one, and Alterraun Verner has one. That’s it. (Keep in mind, Revis isn’t thrown at terribly often.)

Yes, Joe realizes this revelation might start New Year’s Eve drinking early — from the suburban bars of Wesley Chapel to the dives of Indian Rocks Beach.

Joe doesn’t have the stomach to research the last time Bucs cornerbacks only had two interceptions combined in a season. Has it ever happened? Last year, Johnthan Banks had four himself.

Joe sure hopes redemption comes for the cornerbacks on Sunday against Cam Newton. Every single Bucs cornerback could be gone next season, but Joe still would like to see that ugly deuce wiped out.

74 Responses to “Trying To Dump The Deuce”

  1. bucrightoff Says:

    He’d still be the best player on our team. Cutting him will always be one of the worst moves in Bucs history. There isn’t a single justifiable reason to do, and no, the cap hit is not an excuse. Revis is 5 times as good as our entire corner group combined. Staggering mistake.

  2. Buc1987 Says:

    Lovie preaches turnovers and we get this.

    All the while Joe believes Lovie deserves a 3rd year.

    Joe you can keep typing it, but I know you’re too smart to believe that.

    If you choose to continue to accuse Joe of lying, then you will be punished. –Joe

  3. Tnew Says:

    It seems impossible in today’s nfl that a team, supposedly predicated on creating turnovers, would only have two interceptions. From the corners. We have more secondary coaches than CB interceptions.

  4. Patrick in VA Says:

    It’s hard to get interceptions when your defense is routinely out of place or playing so far off the receiver that they have yards of green grass before a defender is even encountered. The most we can hope for is that they have someone doing a Mike Evans impersonation and they drop a perfectly easy, catchable ball that is tipped up to our DBs who are 10 yards away

  5. Buc1987 Says:

    Patrick….your words are funny and depressing.

  6. NJBucsFan Says:

    When QB’s complete 70% of passes against the D, INTs are hard to come across. Maybe Lovie is not putting enough INTs and Fumble Recoveries into his game plan????

  7. BoJim Says:

    Man, that Revis guy is a pretty good player. We need someone like that. 😉

  8. The Buc Realist Says:

    It takes several hall of famers and pro-bowers to run lovie’s prevent lite defense!!!!

  9. chocolatecvb Says:

    Revis would have been misused in this defense just like he was in Schiano’s. Doesn’t make sense to pay a guy $20MM a year if you’re not going to take advantage of his talents. Lovie wagered his defense wouldn’t need a guy like Revis. I bet they draft a “Revis” this spring though. They need more man coverage ability and I have a feeling Lovie knows that too.

  10. Captain Obvious Says:

    We will have an entirely different Secondary Next year
    Through the Draft and Free Agency
    With their TOTAL COMBINED Salaries less than Revis’ $20 Million.

  11. Formerly GlennonGrad Says:

    I knew that the moment we let him go that lovie would not be the right guy for this team. Everyone thought I was crazy for not wanting the most talented defender on the team walk away.

  12. LargoBuc Says:

    “The dive bars of Indian rocks beach” tend to be over priced and filled with retirees, most from out of state. The good dive bars are just over the bridge in west Largo by Anona 🙂
    But yeah, stupid move to get rid

  13. RayRay1 Says:

    The Revis release made sense financially. The problem is who Lovie replaced him with and how he misused him. This is why I have little faith that Lovie can put people in the right place to succeed. Remember the failures on defense are with players that Lovie selected on his final 53 roster. If success comes next year it will be with a small step forward on defense and a much bigger step on offense.

  14. Supersam Says:

    Haha I love that picture of Revis, he stole a cool 16 mill from the glazers and got to rehab his knee at the finest facilities in Florida then get traded and wins a Super bowl I’d be laughing my ass off too!

  15. bucrightoff Says:

    RayRay1 Says:
    December 31st, 2015 at 11:43 am
    The Revis release made sense financially.

    How? The Bucs were not then, are not now, and are not projected to have any cap issues for a while. Right now saying he’d be overpaid is laughable seeing as we’d kill for someone with half his talent making $10 million per, so he’s worth it. He had a PAYG contract, so anytime they did want to cut him there were no cap implications.

  16. bucrightoff Says:

    chocolatecvb Says:
    December 31st, 2015 at 11:24 am
    Revis would have been misused in this defense just like he was in Schiano’s. Doesn’t make sense to pay a guy $20MM a year if you’re not going to take advantage of his talents

    And who’s that on? Acquiring one of the 10 best players in the NFL doesn’t happen easily, or often for that matter. Players like that do not grow on trees, clearly. That Lovie decided before even one chance to see Revis on the field he didn’t need the best player at his position in the league. That is….wow.

  17. 813bucboi Says:

    keeping revis made no sense for the type of money he was making…its like having jj watt dropping into coverage 75% of the time…oopps..schaino already did that…GO BUCS!!!

  18. 813bucboi Says:

    @bucrightoff….licht had something to do with it too…who’s to say lovie wanted revis but licht didn’t…even though lovie has control of the final 53, licht has control of the bank…if licht didn’t want to pay revis, theres nothing lovie could do….they work together regarding aint all lovie all the time…GO BUCS!!!

  19. Buccfan37 Says:

    1987… I’m picturing a dungeon scene in the punishment.

  20. 813bucboi Says:

    @realist…lovie doesn’t need defense full of pro bowlers or hall of famers to make the defense work…he just needs some talent..check out the talent level of the players starting on defense….
    jude adjei barimah-UDFA
    w.gholston-4th round
    chris conte-3rd round
    l.david-2nd round
    GMC-1st round….

    over half of our starters of defense went undrafted…GO BUCS!!!!

  21. BuccaneerBonzai Says:

    Revis sucks.

  22. Bucamania Says:

    As much as I love Licht’s drafting, his pro player decisions have been horrible. Releasing Revis for nada, Penn, Zuttah. Trading for George Johnson. Brindza. Signing Collins, Michael Johnson, and ATV. Just horrible.

  23. LUVMYBUCS Says:


    Your funny Brotha. One minute your bashing stats… the next minute your using them to prove a point.

    Your right, Revis has 5 picks. That makes grand total of *28 in 9yrs.

    The Jets DB’s (Revis included) played terrible for a stretch this year. For about 5 weeks, they gave up an average of 350 yards in the air.

    Then Revis got tourched against the Texans. Relaxed on IR for 3 or 4 weeks (concussion protocol). Came back to another pro bowl birth, and two picks (both gifts IMO).

    I can’t recall anyone saying he was a a good year before the concussion.
    -I heard alot of Revis-is overrated.
    -I heard alot Revis is no longer an elite corner.

    I remember, alot of guys out of New York laughing at the thought of Revis playing against- Odell Beckham Jr. Gloating, that It would probably wise for Revis to Ice up for another week.

    Not sure where you’re going with this and what it has to do with anything. You never heard Joe blubbering about Revis being overrated, etc. Our head coach claims takeaways are crucial. So Joe’s highlighting a contrast and a telling Bucs stat. –Joe

  24. NJBucsFan Says:

    The only reason releasing Revis made financial sense is so the money can be spent on Michael Johnson, Anthony Collins and Alterraun Verner….sooooo. How’d that work out?

  25. LUVMYBUCS Says:

    I can’t recall anyone saying Revis was *having – a good year before the concussion

  26. NewTampaChris Says:

    No pass rush + no cover ability = no interceptions

  27. LUVMYBUCS Says:

    I do remember this though

    Woodson: Revis no longer elite

  28. BuccaneerBonzai Says:

    Bucamania Says
    “As much as I love Licht’s drafting, his pro player decisions have been horrible. Releasing Revis for nada, Penn, Zuttah. Trading for George Johnson. Brindza. Signing Collins, Michael Johnson, and ATV. Just horrible.”

    Consider this…when did Mark Dominick’s drafts improve? When the Bucs hired Schiano.

    Why? Because it’s the head coach that decides the draft picks.

    Licht had input on these drafts, but it is Lovie who made the picks. That being the case, just what exactly has Licht actually done well?

  29. Bucamania Says:

    Bonzai – you many be right. Lovie could be primarily responsible for this stellar draft.

  30. LUVMYBUCS Says:

    Consider This: The Jets boast one of the best defensive lines in the league, from a pressure stand point

    (Passing Downs)
    LDE Muhammad Wilkerson
    NT Sheldon Richardson
    RDE Leonard Williams

    Yet the Jets blitzed a league-high 50.1 percent of the dropbacks.

  31. Waterboy Says:

    2.4 million per interception nice return on investment! Lol

  32. LUVMYBUCS Says:



  33. Tampabaybucfan Says:

    The reason why the Revis release was a mistake is because the players we replaced with the Revis money didn’t work out…..

    We are now very very smart and know that… smart were we then?

    Some were….but most thought Verner was a steal and Michael Johnson was a prize pickup….

    The lesson learned is that you go with the sure thing…even if it’s expensive.

  34. bucrightoff Says:

    BuccaneerBonzai Says:
    December 31st, 2015 at 12:29 pm
    Revis sucks.

    Someone’s angry and bitter. Probably because you thought cutting him and signing Verner and Johnson instead was a brilliant move. Further confirming your staggering lack of intelligence.

  35. LUVMYBUCS Says:

    I appauled the Verner move. ONLY because I’ve watched the kid play ball, since his UCLA days. I know, and respect the man who helped him perfect his craft (The Great Carnell Lake). The Kid was an All-Pro before he arrived.

    Now what’s happen since, has alot wondering WTF is going on in Tampa.

  36. Couch Fan Says:

    I agree letting Revis go was a mistake. But even if he stayed, he would look almost as inept as everything else we have simply because Lovie has no clue how to use talent or teach his defense. Thats whats happening in Tampa and its painfully obvious. Only 1 more year before he’s fired. Can’t wait!

  37. MadMax Says:

    Keep Verner and Banks, get a REAL DC and tell lovie hands off change the scheme……Draft Jalen Ramsey (he can play CB and Safety…this is where I am right now) Then move up and draft DE Shawn Oakman 6’9 freak from Baylor or DE Devonte Fields from Louisville if he decides to come out. Both will be bottom of first/top of second.

    But Im really starting to key in on Ramsey as our #1 if he’s still there. Well, unless Bosa is possible. And if they’re both gone then DE Ogbah.

  38. Greg Says:

    At least we got all those other free agents… Oh wait. Well we never run man coverage… Oh wait.

  39. MadMax Says:

    Hey LUV, that Williams pick plus Sheldon from last year…thats a lot havoc to deal with.

  40. MadMax Says:

    Im excited to see DE Myles Garrett continue to develop. He’ll probably be the #1 overall pick in 2017.

  41. James Walker Says:

    Gene Chizik is who we need. He worked with Dungy, Kiffin, and Lovie. He knows the cover 2. He is the DC of the NC Tarheels. He is a good choice. He used to drive to One Buc to take notes and pick the coaches brains and was allowed in meetings. Eventually Dungy let Chizik eat with the team and even gave him a bucs jacket one day when Gene got caught in the rain.

  42. meh Says:

    Awfully thin skinned, Joe.

    Where exactly is Joe thin-skinned? Joe doesn’t sign up to be misrepresented in the comments section. –Joe

  43. LUVMYBUCS Says:


    Bruh, Me & U were talking about this sh!t; before the season started.
    That defensive front is insane. Especially when you consider, the creative blitz pkgs Bowles uses.

    We might have to sell the farm for Myles Garrett in 2017. He’s that good.

  44. James Walker Says:

    Did I mention Gene Chizik won it all as HC of Auburn in 2010? 14-0. A winner who needs to move up and has the pedigree to do what Lovie needs done.

  45. Tampabaybucfan Says:

    Now that we are lamenting all the Buc’s past mistakes…..let me express my disappointment in us giving up a number one overall pick on Bo Jackson….

  46. Mike Johnson Says:

    Coulda/woulda/shouda…I’m so sick of all of you using the comparison, Yeah we coulda had this coach, or we shoulda done this. The fact is we are what our record says we are..a below average team. And all arrows point to our Defense. Lets hope all minds at Buc 1 place truly get together and fix it. Because when we do, we are gonna be something else. If Lovie Smith wants to take us to glory and stay past 2016, he must make changes. Get lotsa help
    in Defensive coaching and players. I want to see just how stubborn he is..Or if he, Sees The Light!! I truly hopes for his sake he..Wakes up and smells the coffee or..Schiano has a reel and rod along with some fresh bait waitin by the dock for him.

  47. OneLove Says:

    @Couch Fan

    You can keep trying to convince yourself that Lovie is going to get fired, but it’s NOT GOING TO HAPPEN!! Lovie is your Daddy so get used to it son!!

    You “non-sensical” radicals keep trying to say that “WE’RE” the idiots for NOT wanting to fire Lovie Smith after only 2 years, but other coaches are preaching the EXACT OPPOSITE!!

    Ron Rivera speaking on the Bucs “You look at the defense, I was fortunate to work for coach Smith and learn from him the system. You watch these guys play the system and you know they’re well on their way. The thing everybody’s got to do is be patient. I mean, this is a young football team with a young quarterback. We’re in our fifth season with our quarterback and look at where we’re at now. I see so much similarities between him (Winston) and our guy (Newton). I’m going man, this guy is going to be competitive for a long time. So I think everybody just needs to be patient”

    Ron Rivera was also a victim of the Panther’s “non-sensical” radicals calling for his head. Turned out to be a stupid after thought given the current situation.

    Bill Belichik also chimed in about how he was disappointed about the Eagles firing chip Kelly!!

    Now I don’t know about all of you, but i’m going to follow Rivera and Belichik’s lead and PREACH PATIENCE!! I’m going to trust the opinion of the PROFESSIONALS who actually do this for a living and IGNORE the opinions of fake GM’s(aka fans) who THINK THEY KNOW WHAT’s BEST for our franchise just because they LOG A FEW HOURS OF MADDEN EVERY WEEK!! The reality is… YOU DON’T KNOW JACK SH!T!!!

    “It’s as simple as that” – Lovie Smith

    P.S. Happy New Year!!

  48. MadMax Says:

    Another thing that really helped the Panthers was drafting Star and Kawaan…..two other D guys I was watching closely and said we could benefit from. But no, we had to trade a 1st for Revis…..smh.

  49. Tampabaybucfan Says:

    @One Love

    This one’s for you….you speaketh the truth!!!

    “One love – for the mother’s pride
    One love – for the times we cried
    One love – gotta stay alive
    I will survive
    One love – for the city streets
    One love – for the hip-hop beats
    One love, Oh I do believe
    One love is all we need”

  50. Sick of Lovie Says:

    Its funny how we all worried about the Bucs not giving McCoy a big new deal. We need to lock him down, give him whatever he wants, they all said. And on the other hand, some of us were complaining that Revis was making too much (I was one of those). But, production wise, we really got screwed. We paid a good player an elite players salery, and let a hall of famer walk for nothing. Nothing too deep here just further justification for our position in the cellar. Embrace the suck.

  51. DraftJameis Says:

    Both INTs were in the Giants game too. When you’re consistently 3-4 yards off the WR at the point of reception, interceptions are gonna be hard to come by.

  52. LUVMYBUCS Says:


    I remeber U & I pleading for us to draft
    -Ezekiel Ansah & Sheldon Richardson.
    Over trading for

  53. LUVMYBUCS Says:

    Ezekiel Ansah or Sheldon Richardson.

  54. MadMax Says:

    Yup, Star too….and I thought Kawaan would be a nice 2nd to that 1 -2 punch…even though we had GMC, I just wasnt sold on him. Now he’s got that fat check and while I know he needs help and he’s been playing through injury, I just dont know about him right now. The 2nd we spent on Banks looks like a bleh. So imagine that D line if we had drafted either of those 4…..especially had we drafted 2 of them. lol. Oh well, know what they say about hindsight! But WE had the foresight!!!

  55. LUVMYBUCS Says:


    Yeah (Going off the previuos picks)

    -Ezekiel Ansah
    -Gerald McCoy
    -Aaron Donald | Kawaan Short
    -William Gholston

    Would be sick

  56. LUVMYBUCS Says:


    What if Super Mario is released. Do U send the Jet? With hoes or without?

  57. MadMax Says:

    Lol, with whatever he wants……that would be a helluva FA pick up.

  58. MadMax Says:

    Btw, watch that orange bowl if you can….and keep your eyes on #90 Shaq Lawson. Im a gamecock but I know talent when I see it even if its on a team I hate.

  59. LUVMYBUCS Says:

    Do U sign

    Mario Williams, Greg Hardy & Nigel Bradham

    + Draft

    Shilique Calhoun & Shawn Oakman

    • LDE Mario Williams | Shilique Calhoun | Howard Jones
    • LDT Gerald McCoy | Clinton McDonald
    • RDT Shawn Oakman| Tony McDaniel
    • RDE Greg Hardy | William Gholston

    • WLB Lavonte David
    • MLB Kwon Alexander
    • SLB Nigel Bradham

  60. LUVMYBUCS Says:

    I’ve watched Shaq, he’s solid. But I would like to see him play up to his competition more.

  61. MadMax Says:

    Dont think we could afford Hardy too…..gotta think of an O line pick up….and maybe a Safety. But if that scenario played out, we’d have significant improvement in pass rush.

  62. LUVMYBUCS Says:

    (2016 Tampa Bay Buccaneers)
    Salary Cap: 150,000,000
    Player Salaries: 101,740,129
    Dead Money: 390,237

    Carryover: (2015) 9,083,104
    Reserved for (2016) Draft Picks: 5,000,000
    Cap Space Remaining: 51,952,738

  63. LUVMYBUCS Says:

    That’s not including

    Extention | Restructure | Release Candidate(s)

    Extentions | Restructures
    • Vincent Jackson WR 12,209,778
    • Logan Mankins G 7,000,000
    • Alterraun Verner CB 6,750,000
    • Gosder Cherilus OT 3,500,000

    • Bruce Carter ILB 4,250,000
    • Evan Dietrich-Smith G 2,500,000
    • George Johnson DE 2,000,000
    • Brandon Myers TE 1,916,668

    Even though I would drag drag my feet –

    If it concerned releasing these two guys before training camp
    • George Johnson
    • Evan Dietrich-Smith

  64. MadMax Says:


  65. MadMax Says:

    EDS is who Im thinking we might need to replace more than any on the O line. Need to sign a WR too. Maybe pick up Alshon from the Bears.

  66. LUVMYBUCS Says:


  67. MadMax Says:

    That was suppose to be a surprised look above….I didnt think we’d have that much.

  68. MadMax Says:

    And we have to make room for Dougie too….unless we get crafty and draft Derrik Henry (oh I just went there). lol

  69. LUVMYBUCS Says:

    As you know guys fall down in train camp all the time

    Keep them for some Just In case type scenario

    U can always cut them in the 3 Round of Free agency. When a decent players are released.

  70. LUVMYBUCS Says:


    FAMwe’ve got plenty of dough. That’s not even counting, back loading a few contracts.

    Minus Liabilities + Future Projected Cap Increases

    • 2017 – $103,839,261
    • 2018 – $140,221,209

    If they’re gonna make a move.

    It must be this year !!

    U wanna become a perennial contender – before Jameis (Rookie) contract is up

  71. BuccaneEric75 Says:

    Bucboi has a great point IMO. We need more talent on defense to make Lovies scheme, or ANY scheme work. That doesn’t mean that we need Pro Bowlers at every position, but I doubt that any coach could get much more out of our defensive players. The knock on Lovie has been that he is stubborn and will never change, but he has already shown change. He only drafted 1 defensive player in two drafts. For him, that couldn’t have been easy. If we would have drafted more for defense, we would have said “same old Lovie, doesn’t care about offense”. This is why I’ve said to give him 2 defensive drafts to get that side of the ball some “real players” instead of UFA’s. I know this isn’t a popular opinion, and I don’t know if I could keep him if I was in charge. Where I’m at right now is he has the Offense “fixed”, let’s give him a chance to do the same on D. I don’t think our D players could play better in any defense. Need more talent than a bunch of undrafted FA. That being said, if we have a defensive draft and it doesn’t look like it will work out, I could easily be swung to the “Fire Lovie” crowd next offseason.

  72. LUVMYBUCS Says:

    Yeah I wouldn’t be upset if we drafted Henry

  73. MTM Says:

    A Revis article today and J-Fro one yesterday. Can we get Michael Clayton one next….

  74. godzilla13 Says:

    I don’t see Alterraun Verner, Mike Jenkins or Sterling Moore returning next year. Johnthan Banks and Jude Adjei-Barimah will be back-ups. We can turn this defense around with three draft picks and four players in FA. Take DE Robert Nkemdiche (Miss State) in the first, CB Desmond King (Iowa) in the second and FS Darian Thompson (Boise State) in the third. In FA go all in and sign DE Mario Williams (Bills), LB Bruce Irvin (Seahawks), CB Leon Hall (Bengals) and FS Eric Weddle (Chargers).

    2016 Tampa Bay Buccaneers starting defense –

    DE Mario Williams
    DT Gerolld McCoy
    DT Akeem Spence
    DE Robert Nkemdiche
    OLB Lavonte David
    ILB Kwon Alexander
    SLB Bruce Irvin
    CB Desmond King
    CB Leon Hall
    FS Eric Weddle
    SS Darian Thompson