“We’re Going To Work On That This Week”

October 7th, 2015

jameis 0829One duty for Jameis Winston is to chat via conference call with the local media of teams about to face the Buccaneers.

America’s Quarterback did that earlier today with the Jacksonville crew.

Per notes sent to Joe by the Jags, young Jameis was asked what’s going on with the Buccaneers only scoring six first-quarter points this year. “Is it unforced errors?” Jameis was asked.

“Our objective is to start fast but we’re getting better every week. We’re going to work on that this week,” Jameis said.

Of course, a big reason is Jameis’ interceptions, but it’s surely not the only reason.

The first-quarter results are fresh food for the anti-Lovie Smith crowd. The head coach was preaching in the spring and summer how important it would be for the Bucs to start games fast, and it’s been a team focus into the regular season.

Something isn’t clicking there. It reminds Joe of how Raheem Morris’ teams were consistently ugly in the first half, and then Raheem typically pulled a different team out of the locker room — win or lose.

66 Responses to ““We’re Going To Work On That This Week””

  1. BrianBucs Says:

    That look on Jameis’ face when he realizes how fast the LB’s and DB’s are in the NFL and that he’s not in that weak ACC any longer

  2. Hawaiian Buc Says:

    I got to see the first pick from the all 22, and although it was a bad throw, Norman made a helluva play. He left his man (V-Jax) and undercut the route (which was HORRIBLY run by Myers). It was weird because Vincent and Myers were so close together, which I can’t imagine was the intent. Someone screwed up beside Jameis. Obviously he should have seen the DB and not thrown it, but it was a little more encouraging that it wasn’t 100% stupidity by Jameis.

  3. BoJim Says:

    Always a good attitude. Love it.

  4. Hawaiian Buc Says:


    You can’t judge a player entirely week to week. All players have rough games. If you do that week in and week out for his entire career, you’re going to give yourself an aneurism. 4 weeks is way too small of a sample size to accurately determine if he’s getting better or worse. I’ll say that if he throws for 5 TD’s and no picks on Sunday. He’s going to have good games and he’s going to have bad games. This won’t be his last bad game this year, next year, or the year after. Brady had a couple bad games last year. It happens.

  5. Buc1987 Says:

    @Joe… there you go with that lawn boy pic again…lol

    @Hawaiian Buc…it doesn’t matter some fans are too dug in and it’s still too early for them to accept that he’s our QB for at least the next 3 YEARS!

  6. flmike Says:

    I had serious reservations about drafting Winston, and I still have some issues with him, but he’s stayed out of trouble and looks like he’s progressing weekly or weakly depending on your pov, from my vantage point it’s his footwork that needs the most work, get that cleaned up and the rest will fall into place.

  7. RookieBucsFan7 Says:

    It’s a process for jameis winston… The talent is there clearly… The work ethic is there clearly… It’s just about understanding NFL defences and that’s a long process… so when he says he’s getting better every week, I believe that even though results might speak different because he’s seeing different looks (once bitten twice shy)… Jameis is an anticipatory passer… And that comes from anticipating defences… Hes played 4 games… 4 defences… He’ll soon start to anticipate defences better… But it’s a long process… My issue is lovie promised us TAKEAWAYS… We need to see more TAKEAWAYS on defence to improve turnover margin… Rookie QBs will throw INTs (FACT)… While defence is bad… They need to be great in TAKEAWAYS to survive with a rookie QB

  8. cmurda Says:

    @ Hawaiian. Don’t bother. Those that are determined to be the told-you-so’s will do it despite the sound advice you just gave. Sure, I was hoping for JW to be lights out from the beginning but that was never likely. Mariota has been decent at best but the told-you-so’s will have you believe that Mariota is ten times the QB that Winston is. JW has the motivation and the right temperament to be great. I believe we made the right choice and he will get there but unfortunately for us fans, it means we will have to be patient through the process. JW isn’t the reason for me wanting to pull my hair out on Sunday. This defense has not made that great leap we were promised. GMC has been pretty solid but David looks like a shell of the guy that we saw the last 2 years. Our running game hasn’t been able to get going with the exception of Dougie running very hard last week. I think that will find its way also. The positives that I have seen mainly come from the O Line. They have played much better than I expected. the run-blocking hasn’t been exceptional but they have done a great job protecting JW. That’s something that we can build on. If we don’t beat Jax this Sunday, my prediction is it will be a different coach building on it.

  9. RookieBucsFan7 Says:

    Error: While the defence isn’t bad

  10. Yungry Says:

    So do you believe the Carolina game was his best? smh I am tired of Lovie and Winston insulting fan’s intelligence with their insane comments. I don’t know everything but this team has gotten worse no matter what the Worshipers say.

  11. Hawaiian Buc Says:


    I know I should give it up, but I’m going to give it one last shot. “Getting better” can have several different definitions. If you want to go by results only, then you can say he’s not getting better. However, things with young players aren’t always judged only by results. Stats absolutely tell things about players, but they don’t tell all. He got great protection in New Orleans. I don’t think that was a coincidence that it was his best game. He was under siege against Tennessee and Carolina, which were bad games. Against Houston, he got good protection but had zero run game. He was average. That’s pretty much how it goes for a rookie. They aren’t good enough yet to put a team on their backs.

    Peyton Manning threw 11 picks through his first 4 games. By that standard, Jameis is playing great. We don’t know if he’s reading defenses better, because we aren’t watching game film. We don’t know if he’s got a better understanding of the offense, because we aren’t in practice. We don’t know if the receiver ran a wrong route. You have to look at a larger sample size to judge a QB. Jameis is going to show flashes of brilliance. He’s going to show a lot of average play. He’s also going to have some WTF moments. The idea is that as the first year progresses, you start to see less WTF moments. By year two, even less. By year three, you should be shocked when he has a WTF moment. If it doesn’t go like that, then it’s time to worry. If he’s continuing to throw multiple interception games into year two, then we might have a problem. If it continues into year three, we are screwed. But 4 games in? Child please.

  12. DoNUTS Says:

    I like JW and I think he is a good guy. However, playing QB in the NFL is the most difficult position in sports…with that said…the thing that scares me most is that JW has not dominated or played extremely well during any of the 16 quarters of football he has played so far. He stares down receivers way too much; footwork is bad (probably the 3rd most impt skill set of any QB behind arm and mental aspects). I am hopeful we will see a flash soon but I will say the odds are against it after Jags game. My definition of dominating a quarter from QB position would be to score more than 2 times (run or pass) in the Q. Last, I think the Glazers have to be wondering …..do we have the right coaches teaching this team…the ugly football is showing up in more areas than just the QB position. A good example is Brindza….he had these issues at ND….did they think it would just magically go away? Talent evaluation is not the strong suit of L&L based on the last 10 FA pickups.

  13. Buc1987 Says:

    Hawaiian Buc…I don’t mind you using my “wtf moments” reference that I’ve used multiple times, because it’s true.

    I can’t believe we are the same page about something with this team, but we are.

    PAY ATTENTION everyone. Hawaiian Buc and I NEVER agree, or it’s a damned near rare occurrence. That should tell you something right there…

  14. Buc1987 Says:

    See I don’t get what’s wrong with his footwork. I never saw bad footwork while at FSU and you can read MANY scouting reports on the kid that make no mention of it being one of his weaknesses.

    Is it possible someone is tinkering with their toy too much?

    Go to youtube and watch his footwork at FSU if you think I’m making it up. I’m not.

  15. vegabuc Says:

    Stop comparing Manning with Winston. Winston is throwing an interception every 21.4 attempts so far, while Manning threw one every 31.6 attempts his rookie year. Also when Manning played the defenses in the NFL could basically smother a wide receiver and rarely got an interference call, while now DBs can’t even sniff on wide receiver’s jersey because they get flagged. Or do you really think that Phillip Rivers, Andy Dalton, Joe Flacco, or Matt Ryan are better than Jim Kelly, Joe Montana, Steve Young, or John Elway? Yes today’s quaterbacks throw for more yards and touchdowns than the guys from back in the day, but that is nothing but a byproduct of how soft this league has turned, and how the NFL favors high scoring games over the old ways football was played. The league is made for quarterbacks to succeed period. So do Ya’ll a favor and stop comparing Jameis with Payton, is not even close.

  16. Buc1987 Says:

    vegabuc Says:
    October 7th, 2015 at 5:08 pm

    “Stop comparing Manning with Winston. Winston is throwing an interception every 21.4 attempts so far, while Manning threw one every 31.6 attempts his rookie year.”

    No one said anything about the whole season. They said the first 4 games. If you want to comare stats for the whole season, well then guess what? You’ll have to wait until the end of the season. Right?

  17. Hawaiian Buc Says:


    I’m not comparing him as to how good he’s going to be, just a point of reference to show Winston isn’t a bust after 4 games. Bringing up stats like interceptions per attempt is pretty hilarious. How far into the stat geek category did you have to go to find that? It’s funny how the JW haters like to look at the bottom line, but when bottom line stats are against them, they like to look for obscure crap like this. What a joke.

    You basically tore apart stats in proclaiming you can’t judge who is better in different eras by stats, but then you cited stats to prove why Peyton is doing better. LMAO. You contradict yourself and don’t even know it. Nicely done by you! To be honest, the only reason I even respond is to see people like you and how ridiculous you sound. So please by all means, carry on.

  18. DoNUTS Says:


    Nothing that happened at FSU is relevant in the NFL….NOTHING! I get you are a nole fan but none of that matters anymore at this level of the game. I forgot to mention earlier he cant read a defense yet either, which is showing its ugly head on all the pick 6s…

    The Norman pick 6 was caused by 2 things….JW throwing into double coverage (reading the DEF) and JW looking the receiver down which is why Norman broke from Jackson to pick off the pass.


  19. vegabuc Says:

    You are right Buc1987, is a small sample size. I guess we will have a debate after week 17 about this matter. Really looking forward to it. You also missed the later part of my point about the differences in the league now and then. I wonder how many picks jaboo would have is his rookie year was 20 years ago. Just saying Bucfan1987.

  20. Buc1987 Says:

    DoNUTS…I’m not making an excuse for that throw, everyone knows it was a bad throw, including Jameis.

    Oh and footwork certainly does matter no matter what level your playing at.

  21. Buc1987 Says:

    vegabuc…no I didn’t miss that point. I think Haw Buc did a good job of explaining it for me and you.

  22. Buc1987 Says:

    There is not a single ounce of Nole bias in me.

  23. vegabuc Says:

    HawaiianBuc, you can’t think what you want, after all we are all entitled to their opinion. By the way, I don’t hate Jameis, I just disagree whit people that compare quarterbacks. Jameis is Jameis, and will never be Peyton, or Brady, or JaMarcus Russell. So if your analogy is that me comparing stats is hilarious, you should look when you type then because you were the one that started the comparisons through the first four ggames, so that makes you pretty hilarious too I suppose. And yes I stand by what I said that football is an offensive game now and that quarterbacks have it easier now that 20 or 30 years ago. I have been watching this game for a long time so I can really tell the difference.

  24. vegabuc Says:

    I’m assuming that many people that post on this site never saw a football game in the 70s, 80s, hence the lack of understanding when I make my point. Regardless I respect everyone’s opinion, and after all we are all Bucs fans. So go Bucs my friends.

  25. BuccaneEric75 Says:

    Winston will have his good and bad throws. Not only is he a rookie, he is a “young” rookie. I’d bet that not many 21 year olds have started day 1 at QB in this league. Add to that a below average offensive line and I’d say he’s doing just fine. I predicted 4-12 and I haven’t seen anything to change that. All that I’m concerned with is Winston’s development. I’d rather be 1-15 and say that Winston looked much better at the end of the season than go 8-8 because the defense won us some games but Winston looked like crap all season. For me, this season was always about the QB and the future. Next season I expect to be around .500.

  26. Johnny Dejay Says:

    It’s not just the interceptions, it’s the fumbles, inaccurate throws, and missed opportunities downfield. The plays are there, he’s just not getting the right reads and making the throws. I’m still waiting for this mythical “Football IQ” to surface.

  27. BrianBucs Says:

    Everybody on here can continue to prosecute and defend all you want to. But the truth is that NOBODY on here knows for sure how Winston will turn out. He may turn into Tom Brady or he may be Byron Leftwich. Spin your wheels all you want, but all of the Haters and Man-crushers do absolutely nothing except get continually manipulated by Joe to get more clicks and make him (them) more money. Believe me, nothing that ever gets said on here will determine the Buc’s future

  28. Buc1987 Says:

    vegabuc…Okay today’s game then Luck had 18 INT’s in his rookie season. Can we stop there or do I have to look up other QB’s in this generation?

  29. Buc1987 Says:

    For the Win: USA Today Sports, by Chris Chase

    “A search of pro-football-reference’s awesome Player Game Finder shows that 60 rookie quarterbacks have thrown four of more interceptions in a single game since the AFL/NFL merger. The list contains all sorts of QBs, as I was expecting: Terry Brhaw, another No. 1 pick, did it twice. John Elway and Troy Aikman both appear. So do Dan Fouts and Phil Simms. Super Bowl winners Jim Plunkett and Mark Rypien are on there too. Then there are the mediocre: Steve Grogan, Jack Trudeau, Chris Miller, Billy Joe Tolliver, Jeff George, Eric Zeier and, as if I had to tell you, Ryan Leaf.”

  30. Buc1987 Says:

    From the same article more recent QB’s…

    “Here they are, in order of my arbitrary career rankings. Keep in mind, these are the best rookies to throw 4+ in a game since 2000: Cam Newton, Matthew Stafford (x2), Jake Delhomme, Alex Smith, Mark Sanchez. And now, the worst (this time in no order): Joey Harrington, Ken Dorsey, EJ Manuel, Josh Freeman, Keith Null. Other players to do it include Brandon Weeden, Ryan Fitzpatrick, Matt McGloin, Chris Weinke, Derek Anderson, Henry Burris and John Navarre. There’s not a Russell Wilson, Andrew Luck, Joe Flacco, Matt Ryan or Ben Roethlisberger on there.”

  31. Buc1987 Says:

    Bottom line is BrianBucs is right. Nobody knows anything yet. That won’t stop the debate though.

  32. Yungry Says:

    1987, we do know his comment was 100% not true. If so, tell me what aspect of his game improved? He should have said what Dirk said, inconsistent. He’ll get better but these comments from Lovie and crew are too much.

  33. Mo_Downs Says:

    @Hawaiian Buc, et al,

    I was also wondering about the route by (WR+TE?) on the 1st Norman pick. It couldn’t have been intentional to have 2 receivers so close together and crowd the area with defenders.

    OTOH, I find it hard to believe that Jameis’ depth perception was so off that he couldn’t see the crowded lanes. I’m also starting to wonder are our receivers being coached to come back for the ball and/or break-up possible picks. Oh, Well..!!

    I guess Jameis will learn that even in the pros a “great” receiver isn’t infallible. While QB pressure is always going to be an issue, I’d like Jameis to take a sack or throw the ball away rather than try and force the ball to an otherwise well covered receiver. Sometimes it works, but I can’t believe he’s being coached to do so.

    Keep on being a rational fan. I enjoy your analysis as well as your critique.

  34. Buc1987 Says:

    Yet another reference…

    “In his first season as a starter, Tom Brady threw four picks in a game, then went on to win the Super Bowl.”

    @Yungry…Haw Buc already explained it to you scroll up.

  35. vegabuc Says:

    Buc1987, yes Luck had 18 picks is true. Jameis is on pace for 28 though. Furthermore, Luck has been in the playoffs all three years of his short career. That’s pretty Damn good. I hope Jameis takes the team to the playoffs at least once in the next three years my friend.

  36. Buc1987 Says:

    @Yungry per Hawaiian Buc

    “We don’t know if he’s reading defenses better, because we aren’t watching game film. We don’t know if he’s got a better understanding of the offense, because we aren’t in practice. We don’t know if the receiver ran a wrong route.”

  37. Buc1987 Says:

    “I hope Jameis takes the team to the playoffs at least once in the next three years my friend.”

    I think he will. I can also look up veteran QB’s that are pretty damned good today that probably had 4 INT games in say their 3rd or 4th season in the NFL. I’m sure there are many.

  38. vegabuc Says:

    I guess we won’t know until that time comes. I don’t think he is ready to lead this offense yet IMO. I too think he will eventually get it together though. But that he is looking pretty damn bad is a fact that needs no explanation.

  39. Buc1987 Says:

    You can spin it however you want. I can spin for days.

    So JW has 7 INT’s so far through 4 games. That equals out to 1.75 INT’s per game. That per game number could go down or it could go up.

    I’ll tell you this I think I predicted a 24 INT rookie season and he’s on pace for that for sure right now. Could be a more, could be less. See ya in week 17 I guess.

  40. Buc1987 Says:

    No I wasn’t trying to rhyme with that last line it just shook out very Dr Seuss like.lol

  41. Yungry Says:


    thanks for saving me time scrolling up. Again, what area of his game has improved as JW claims? Hawaii didn’t answer my question so I would like to know your opinion? Practice means nada, practice squad players aren’t exactly the best competition and a clear dictator of his progress as is pre-season.

  42. Buc1987 Says:

    Yungry….we don’t know like Haw Buc said. That doesn’t mean he’s lying. There could be many aspects Koetter feels he’s improved upon. We don’t know.

    Look pre-draft I was comparing him to Favre. I think I was the first one to mention Favre, but whatever.

    In 2005 Favre threw 29 picks, and of course his team finished 4-12. Favre has had multiple seasons where he’s thrown over 20 picks.

    He’s a gunslinger and it’s going to happen.

  43. vegabuc Says:

    Week 17. Ummm I can’t wait for the excuses and clichés everyone is going to use to defend jaboo. This is going to be so much fun.

  44. Buc1987 Says:

    Yungry….if he only turns the ball over 2 times against the Jags….does that mean he’s improving? Really not, he could throw 4 in the next game or 2 in the one after that.

    Are we on the same page yet?

  45. DB55 Says:

    Happy birthday to me. #40

  46. J Says:

    I remember an end of the year banquet our basketball coach gave after a 3-15 season…. We could have easily won 4 or 5 games. I’m getting that feeling now.

  47. BuccaneEric75 Says:

    Happy birthday 55!! I’ll join you in the 40 club next month!!!!

  48. Lord Cornelius Says:

    Yungry he said “we” improved not “I”. The team defense did better than against Houston imo (where they were solid anyway) and the offense improved on 3rd down going like over 50% vs 1 for 12. Winston regressed via turnovers but besides that the team played well shutting down Carolina drives and getting more yards/drives on the day so one could easily argue improvement in a ton of other areas (except kicker).

  49. Buc1987 Says:

    vegabuc Says:
    October 7th, 2015 at 6:41 pm

    “Week 17. Ummm I can’t wait for the excuses and clichés everyone is going to use to defend jaboo. This is going to be so much fun.”

    It’s not excuses or defending him. Even 1 season is a small sample size.

    If you looked at Manning’s stats at the end of his rookie season, you’d certainly would have called him a bust if Winston’s are similar. You’d have to wouldn’t you?

    I could post Manning’s rookie stats without putting up his name and you’d look at the numbers and say that guy’s a horrible QB. You know you would on stats alone.

  50. Lord Cornelius Says:

    If this franchise had a recent history of winning I suspect fans would likely be reacting to the last 2 losses as if they were kind of fluky; but we don’t get that benefit because we’ve sucked.

    We should have beaten Houston. Literally just 1 made FG or a caught pass could have won the game. We looked like the better team outside of being able to run the ball.

    We also out played Carolina in every aspect except for turnovers. We ran the ball better; passed the ball better (on thows that weren’t interceptions lol); forced more punts; etc. We had multiple long drives while they only had 1 regular scoring drive from their own territory basically.

    I know wins are all that matter but the last 2 losses were games we outplayed the other team and shot ourselves in the foot.

    Does anyone feel that way about last year’s losses because I don’t? In those games we were typically outplayed on every level

  51. Buc1987 Says:

    Yungry…like I just said if he goes out and throws for 400 yards 3 TD’s and 1 INT against the Jags. Does that mean he’s improved? He’d probably tell you no and so would I. Because like I said the next week he could throw for 200 yards 1 TD and 3 INT’s.

    Like Haw-Buc said there’s going to be many wtf moments. Like I’ve said before the season. There’s going to be lots of wtf moments and lots of wow what a throw’s.

    This is all stuff I said before the season. Like I said I predicted 24 INT’s.

  52. Lord Cornelius Says:

    Also yeah Winston regressed week 4 Yungry I’ll agree with that idea.

    However I think he played his best in week 3. Had his WRs helped him just a little; he should have had over 300 yards 2 TDs and only the 1 bad pick and won the game. A few of his passes deemed “inaccurate” have also been due to WRs not getting proper depth in their routes.. hence the anticipatory passer

    So imo; he’s gotten better each week and then regressed 1 week. Overall that is hopefully becoming a net improvement.

    Also – he has already made highly difficult throws each game I never saw Glennon make. Typically the intermediate ones 15-25 yards down field.

    Glennon’s best throw was like 1 deep one to Loius Murphy against Detroit I can recall in ALL his games. Besides that his deep ball typically always required Vjax to come back to it in some hail mary esque fashion; and he was a dink and dunk passer that didn’t stretch the field .

    This whole argument is a waste of time though lol

  53. DB55 Says:

    BuccaneEric75 Says:
    October 7th, 2015 at 7:06 pm
    Happy birthday 55!! I’ll join you in the 40 club next month!!!!
    Ty sir. Now time for my mid-life crisis. Lol

  54. Yungry Says:

    lol ok we’ll leave it at that. He showed regression last week. He’ll do better this week! Go Bucs!

  55. Buc1987 Says:

    DB55…I’m soooory I forgot, in the heat of the debate.

    Happy 40th B-day.

    Except that’s when my body started going to crap so stay healthy!

  56. DB55 Says:


    Thank bro appreciate it. My best man sent me live Maine lobsters from glouster mass this morning. Fckrs were still kicking n moving around. Put those on the grill with 2 porterhouse steaks, corn on the cob and a couple Stellas.


    Now if only my boy Jaboo could get this game to slow down for him and lead us to the promise land.

  57. Buc1987 Says:

    DB..lol being from Mass. I’ve been to Gloucester and had lobster there as well.

    Thanks for making my mouth water…

  58. j Says:

    1987 if he beats the Jag (a teams the Bucs CAN beat) everyone will be beating the drum for him. The hero worship because we want to believe is absurd.

  59. Rob Says:

    Great pic of “America’s turnover machine”. How about stopping the telegraphing of your passes and keep your offense on the field. Go Bucs!

  60. Buccfan37 Says:

    Happy Birthday DB55! Wow big milestone at 40, that’s still very young man.

  61. Billy Buc N Brazil Says:

    I must have watched this last game 5 times. I am rooting for Winston but he just doesn’t have it. I am shocked that the glazers even considered this if he is nit a nole? Mariota a Seminole this is a whole different ballgame and Jaboo is a late round pick!! He is clumsy and I do not care how much you keep feeding me about football smarts., it does not even remotely show the disaster we are witnessing. That being said I will give it a few more weeks, but Lovie is out of control. How can anyone just sit back and watch movies his fool do nothing. I am ashamed to even hear his name. Really I am not trying to be racist but if this fool was a white guy ala Philbin he would be toast and never sniffed again. Schiano is 100 x the coach this guy is. Hell Lovie doesn’t deserve a sniff of Raheem’s fruity looms. It makes me sick to watch every week while the refs jock the opposite clubs team smiling laughing knowing this soft ass coach is scared of a cricket. Seriously you are a Head Coach in The NFL and you are no doubt being taken advantage of by your colleagues.I am sorry for this rant but I would pull my boy from the pee wee league if this idiot was at the commands.

  62. DB55 Says:

    Thanks gents.

  63. unbelievable Says:

    I agree with the majority of what you said LC.

    I think that might be what made those losses so frustrating. Although I would argue the defense did not play very well against Houston- they were on the fortunate end of several critical drops (sound familiar?).

    But against Carolina you are right, our D played better and held them to only 1 true drive down the field. Everything else came off turnovers. Let’s hope that was the worst game of JW’s long career!

  64. The Sentamentalist Says:

    Running the ball twice to start the game and putting JW in third down for his first pass is not my idea of starting fast. Both home games started that way.

  65. The Sentamentalist Says:

    ..and resulted in pick 6’s.

  66. Hawaiian Buc Says:

    “Everybody on here can continue to prosecute and defend all you want to. But the truth is that NOBODY on here knows for sure how Winston will turn out. He may turn into Tom Brady or he may be Byron Leftwich. Spin your wheels all you want, but all of the Haters and Man-crushers do absolutely nothing except get continually manipulated by Joe to get more clicks and make him (them) more money. Believe me, nothing that ever gets said on here will determine the Buc’s future”


    Nothing else needs to be said. This guy is 1000% correct.