Not Just The Bucs

September 1st, 2015
Bucs C Evan Smith can breathe a sigh of relief over the stat geeks' data.

Bucs C Evan Smith can breathe a sigh of relief over the stat geeks’ data.

Bucs fans are so unnerved by the play of the offensive line against the Brownies last week, they actually have been visiting Hemlock Society sites.

As bad as the offensive line looked — think about it, only two full practices to prepare with two rookies on the line — perhaps Bucs fans can find solace in other fanbases’ freakout.

It seems rotten blocking is not exclusive to the Bucs but a leaguewide virus. This from the fingertips of prickly Pete Prisco of CBS Sports. He documents that porous offensive lines are all over.

Throughout training camp and these mundane preseason games, much of the constant talk around the league has been about poor offensive line play, and the Bucs played that part well in their blowout loss to the Cleveland Browns on Saturday night. Tampa Bay is starting two rookies, and the right tackle who played against the Browns is a fill-in for down starter Demar Dotson and newcomer Gosder Cherilus, but even so it was a terrible showing.

They are not alone. Whether it’s a lack of game planning to offset the blitzing defenses in some instances, or just flat-out bad play by a position group that seems to get worse by the year, NFL quarterbacks have mostly spent the summer with opponents in their face, or dumping them to the ground.

If your team has a good offensive line — that’s you, Dallas and a select handful of others — consider it a great fortune. They are rare and tough to find. Many teams have major issues, including several good teams like the Seattle Seahawks.

The causes seem to be, per Prisco, college spread offenses that do not teach NFL blocking technique, and limited non-underwear football practices per the NFL/NFLPA pact, when young offensive linemen can learn proper blocking.

To help salve the wounds of Bucs fans who think the offensive line is a horror show that will result in America’s Quarterback, Bucs signal-caller Jameis Winston, being maimed, consider the self-proclaimed football sophists over at Pro Football Focus. You know, the same crowd that boasts Andrew Luck is not a top-10 quarterback.

By way of Tampa Bay Times numbercruncher Tom Bassinger, the Bucs are not the worst offensive line during the preseason of 2015.

Again, per Pro Football Focus, Arizona, Dallass, Cincinnati and Seattle have had worse pass protection than the Bucs.

In fact, Bassinger Twitters, the Bucs may be better than last year up front, yes. The Bucs this preseason have allowed the same percentage of quarterback pressures as they did in the 2014 regular season. And again, that is with two rookies at left tackle and right guard, respectively, and camp meat at right tackle starting.

So have a cocktail and relax, Bucs fans. It could be worse and may be getting better.

61 Responses to “Not Just The Bucs”

  1. Kalind Says:


  2. Pickgrin Says:

    LOL. Now I feel better about the OLine – Thanks Joe! (sarcasm font)

  3. JAB83 Says:

    Oh it’s getting better for sure…. BUT it is said “it always gets worse before it gets better”. So it makes sense, its getting better BUT how long must it be worse is the question?!?!?!

  4. Frees Snake Says:

    Those playoff teams are worse than the Bucs? Bucs have a stranglehold on dumbest coach, dumbest GM, dumbest QB! The Triple Crown! Rah was better, he got 10 wins!

  5. Hawaiian Buc Says:

    I cannot remember a first game with as much importance as the Titans game. There is so much doom and gloom right now about the Bucs (much of it deservedly so) that it’s going to be beyond ugly if we can’t come up with a win. I don’t see any scenario where the town doesn’t freak out with a loss. I can’t imagine the Bucs don’t know this as well. They better figure something out up front, and they better do it fast.

  6. passthebuc Says:

    Swiss Cheese

  7. buddhaboy Says:

    if this is getting better, I hate to see getting worse. good god almighty in heaven help us.

  8. The Buc Realist Says:

    @Hawaiian Buc

    watch how many holding calls will be on this O-line, Dick LeBeau is going to dial up blitzes that the Bucs have never even dreamed off! And between having the rookies on the line, and the reputation as the last place team, and the coaches insisting that they protect Jameis at all cost, you will have to take your shoes off to count all the penalties!!!

  9. Joe Cool Says:


  10. BuccaneerBonzai Says:

    I’m sorry. I just don’t think the titans game is all that important. Sure, it’s Winston vs Mariota, and will be billed as the Rose Bowl part 2, but really, it isn’t any more important than any other game.

    I still believe it will take at least 6 weeks for the offensive line to gel in pass protection. 2-4 weeks for run blocking.

    And that being the case, I care more about Winston’s health than anything else on offense.

    It’s going to be an ugly first half of the season either way…I just don’t want him on IR. Heck, if I were leading the team, I would use the ankle injury as an excuse to play Glennon in game one just to remove the drama. Or not.

  11. The Buc Realist Says:

    @joe cool

    stop being negative!!!!

    10 sacks and 6 interceptions is not the right way to think coming into the first game!!!!

  12. The Buc Realist Says:

    @Hawaiian Buc

    watch how many holding calls will be on this O-line, Coach LeBeau is going to dial up blitzes that the Bucs have never even dreamed off! And between having the rookies on the line, and the reputation as the last place team, and the coaches insisting that they protect Jameis at all cost, you will have to take your shoes off to count all the penalties!!!

  13. Simpleasthat Says:

    its gonna be ugly….. welcome to lovie bush league football.

  14. Danr Says:

    your forum isnt working. i cannot post, my posts are ALL unapproved. i emailed the email address almost a week ago, and no response.

  15. tickrdr Says:

    Don’t worry Hawaiian, if they lose to the Titans, they can always look forward to the Jags or Redskins for a possible win.


  16. BuccaneerBonzai Says:

    @Hawaiian Buc
    Actually, after reading your complete comment (sorry) I agree with your perspective. In regard to the fans, it is important.

    But a dose of reality would do them good.

    The Bucs will lose a lot in the beginning.
    Winston will throw picks and frustrate fans in the beginning.

    But they will start improving. By mid season, I expect it to be night and day in difference.

  17. Tampa Tony Says:

    How could it get worse than 2-14? Oh wait let’s not challenge Lovie

  18. BuccaneerBonzai Says:

    Danr Says
    “your forum isnt working. i cannot post, my posts are ALL unapproved. i emailed the email address almost a week ago, and no response.”

    I actually decided to bypass JBF on Sundays. I don’t like the forum for the game day thread. So I found another place to go on that day.

    Ironically…I would probably be active on the forum if I didn’t feel forced there for the game day thread. Go figure. I guess I’m becoming more stubborn in my old age!

  19. BuccaneerBonzai Says:

    I don’t care about wins this year.

    I care about development.

    Last year was frustrating because they spent all that money on players that should have been developed already. It’s different with rookies. We have to be patient.

    And if it takes time for the rookie to acclimate, then we have to be patient for their coaches as well.

    If the locker room turns on Lovie, then there is a problem. But right now, they are buying into the system, and I think rightfully so.

  20. DB55 Says:

    Winston is just as responsible as the oline. He needs to read the blitz and hit the hot route. Vs Cleveland he took at least three sacks when his hot route was open but he didn’t release the ball.

    Either way, this preseason is a mess. Good luck to you Mr. Smith.

  21. Simpleasthat Says:

    if all you care is about development you’ve come to the right team. That’s the party line here, go home and read the book. I honesty believe it doesn’t matter who starts @ QB at the end of the day.

  22. OneLove Says:

    Ladies and Ladies, first of all CALM THE F!@$ DOWN!! We will beat the Tennessee Titans in Week 1. Then were going to go into New Orleans and beat the sh!t out of Drew Brees. Then JJ Watt is going to DESTROY Ali Marpet in Week 3!!!

    2-1!!! Mark it down baby!!! WOOOOO!!!(RICK FLAIR)

    “It’s as simple as that” – Lovie Smith “YOUR HEAD COACH of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers”

  23. Fsuking Says:

    No young player on our team has truly had a chance to show what they are capable of with proper game planning and solid preparation. Nobody has a real game plan in preseason football and last year I’m not sure we ever had an offensive gameplan, since I’m certain Arroyo is unfamiliar with the concept. If they have a poor performance week 1, then I will start freaking out.

  24. Hawaiian Buc Says:

    It boils down to the fact that we are sick of losing. We’ve had to endure miserable season after miserable season, with no end in sight. We all know we’ve never had a great QB. Well, we drafted a QB #1 this year, and he is expected to be the savior. Anyone with any common sense knows that he won’t be the savior this year. However, even though we know that, we still expect it. All the years of losing has prevented us from being patient. The negativity around this team is at such a high after the Cleveland game that we really need to win a very winnable game. Oh yeah, that first game just so happens to be against the QB picked #2, and it’s at home. No pressure Bucs! We then go into New Orleans, who will be at home, and whom we can never seem to beat. Then we go to Houston to play against the best defender since Reggie White. We lose against Tennessee, we are staring down the barrel of 0-3. That puts us out of it in early October – AGAIN! It just can’t happen.

  25. DB55 Says:


    See, to me it looks like the same offense.

  26. Fsuking Says:

    I say we go back to the old days against the Texans where we run the ball 65 times a game and control the clock. Every drop back against JJ Watt is putting Jaboos life in jeopardy.

  27. Buc1987 Says:

    DB55…to me the o-line looks worse than last season. I’ve liked some of the plays that have been called though.

  28. OneLove Says:


    *sigh* Well if the dreaded 0-3 does happen, I got some Castaway IPA’s in the fridge for us!! *SOBS*!!!!

  29. The Buc Realist Says:

    I will be surprised if the Bucs are able to keep it to the Titans a 2 score loss!!!

  30. OneLove Says:


    That’s a tall order for any line with Watt/Wilfork/Clowney.. I mean just typing those names got me HORNY!!! WOOOOOO!(RICK FLAIR)

  31. DB55 Says:


    They look bad but Winston could have helped them out on a few plays by making the read and tossing the ball.

    I know you been out of whack lately so I found this vid and will leave it here for your enjoyment.

    I don’t think Lovie teaches this brand of football so here’s a reminder of how the rest of the planet plays football, ENJOY!

  32. DB55 Says:

    Sadly the only ones we know are Kenny bell and Mark Barron.

  33. BuccaneEric75 Says:

    This seasons record isn’t what’s important. The development of our many young players is. I can handle another 2-14 if we can see improvement during the season from Winston, ASJ, Evans and the OL.

  34. DefenseRules Says:

    From what I’ve seen in the 3 preseason games, the Bucs offense seems to be primarily in a player evaluation mode. Have seen quite a few runs and mid/long passes, but relatively few short, quick release passes to the flats, screen passes, slants and the like. Gut feel is that we’ll see a lot more of that once the real season starts to keep Jameis alive.

  35. destro44 Says:

    I think we will learn a lot about Koetter in week one. This game just invited Lebeau to blitz every play. Ok we know the defence to game plan for. If he is as good an OC as we hope our game plan should be designed to deal with that. Oh and that game planning should already be underway. There isn’t any reason to work on the Thursday game, its just one last try out for the bubble players.

  36. Buccfan37 Says:

    Do the Bucs really have any good coaches or do they have coaches no other team thinks highly of? It seems the better coaches shun Tampa bay for whatever reason. This comes to mind after reading Lakeland Buc’s take on Koetter going to the Jags and then to the Falcons and now here. You probably read it. he repeated parts of it yesterday in more than one post. Most everybody here has been high on Koetter’s arrival, including myself. Lakeland Buc opened a can of worms to me and I think Koetter will have to prove his worthiness. Not saying he can’t be successful here but his past record speaks for itself.

  37. BrianBucs Says:

    The Titans are by far the worst team in the league with the weakest, least talented roster. Beating them would be no great accomplishment.
    However, I agree with Hawaiian, it’s a must win for PR, ticket sales and to not leave a real sour taste in the mouths of the fans. Gotta build some momentum

  38. BuccaneerBonzai Says:

    Here’s the thing…I agree we’ve had to listen to “team development” speals for a decade or so. So I understand why people are tired of hearing it.

    It’s like the story of the boy who cried wolf.

    Only now, we actually have truly talented players who just need a little time to develop. This isn’t like in the past. In the past, we had to tell ourselves the talent would be better, but I think most of use found the picks suspect.

    Now? It’s pretty clear we have talent. It’s unrefined talent though. And that means it really does need development time.

    On offense, we have Evans, Marpet, Smith, Winston and others. Even Martin is stepping up now (players don’t do that without buying in btw).

    On defense, we’re hurting a bit. We have some keepers. McCoy. David. Verner. Banks (who will get better each year like Ronde did). We (I think) got lucky with Kwon.

    While we need to plug some holes with young talent on defense, offense is only 2 moves away from being finished. And Dirk is a very good OC.

  39. DB55 Says:

    If I’ve said it once I’ve said it 100x. A good craftsman does not blame his tools. Schiano made something out of nothing, literally took his college players and made an NFL team out of it. 11 wins in 2 seasons let’s see if the guru can beat it.

    Most are projecting 6 wins in 2 years. Wow!

  40. Brent Says:

    We got a top 5 bad o-line and luck is top 5 qbs. These stat guys over the top. I read one stats guy say baseball cardinals are lucky. 4 straight nlcs and best record this year. I hope we get good player off waivers for o-line.

  41. DefenseRules Says:

    @BuccaneerBonzai … “On defense, we’re hurting a bit.’

    Bucs defense isn’t perfect by any means, but we do have some excellent starting talent. Depth is even improving. Admittedly could use a couple of DE sackmasters, but right now they’re just not on the team. Other than that, defense is fairly solid.

    Our problem is the scheme. Tampa 2, even heavily modified as it is on our current team, gives up a lot of yards, until the other team gets near the Red Zone. It’s predicated on heavy DLine pressure on the QB and RBs as Lovie has stated many times. Problem is, we still lack the DEs to make it work, and Lovie for some reason refuses to blitz very much. Plus, any scheme that requires near-perfect execution to work properly is in trouble from the git-go.

    Bucs’ D will do better this year than last, but I don’t see a Top-10 defense there. Closer to 15th -20th at season’s end.

  42. Lord Cornelius Says:

    Joe why waste time with posting something that isn’t all doom and gloom?

    This team is obviously the worst team at any sport in the history of mankind with the worst coach of all time. The good o line play / defensive play / QB play against the Bengals was obviously the biggest fluke of all time while the game against the Browns on a short week was a perfect representation of what to expect every week in the regular season. Select bad preseason performances are perfect indicators of exactly how bad the regular season will go every year in the NFL and there is no room for considering any possibility other than the absolute worst outcome for each game and season.

    Go Bucs! Best fans on earth!

  43. LargoBuc Says:

    Koetter has to call the right plays. Jameis has to make the right reads. The rest of the offense has to execute. We can beat the Titans. Lebaeu is smart, but he dosent have the tooks he needs to win with defense consistintley. If we make Marcus carry the offense, we will win. If our offense struggles due to play calling and Mariota gets cozy sitting on a lead, we lose. I know we can beat Tennessee. We have to. Our Tampa Bay Buccaneers better show up ready to play. Ready to hit someone.

  44. StPeteBucsFan Says:

    Jeebus you guys amaze me with all this Lovie hate. Yes last year sucked.

    Earlier I even agreed with Tmax that I didn’t and wouldn’t ever defend Lovie’s 2014 Bucs…they sucked…but so do our fans!!!! Any freaking front runner can show up and support an SB contender. When the team was NOT spending money on us but shipping it to ManU I understood the hate.

    But those days are over!!! The Glazer boys have obviously opened up the pocketbooks and turned their attention back to the Bucs. See our #1 draft pick!

    I was with Tmax’s disgust when he described Lovie’s claim he could win ten games with a great defense, special teams and an offense that simply didn’t turn things over.

    I feel that is Dungy/Dinosaur ball in today’s NFL. The rules are getting continually modifed for “safety” and in honesty to satisfy fans like me who despise pounding the rock…boring Chucky ball…or Dungy/Lovie ball.


    While you blithlely type away safe behind your keyboards Lovie has placed his arse on the line behind something new…something foreign to him…a shot at an OFFENSE.

    Do you people realize how HARD it is to change? Seriously!!! Lovie has placed…LITERALLY…placed the entire remainder of his career on the line for ONE FREAKING PLAYER. Drafting Fameis took more cojones than this entire board could muster if we put our boys together!!! It’s his career. He’s staked it on something foreign…an effing offense and a franchise QB who came to us with many, many off field questions! He’s allowed his GM to draft offensive players in the top rounds of the past two drafts.

    He has hired an OC famous for slinging the damn football..4 vertical..and now we’re getting griping because Koetter won’t choke it down…griping from the fans yet.

    Factually you loser Lovie haters are simply WRONG. Your opinions fly in the face of virtually the ENTIRE league. He’s respected by players and front office people and other coaches. And so we’re supposed to listen to the constant whining of a fan base that has had to endure hard times. I get that. But it’s really getting freaking absurd. He’s been to a Super Bowl without EVER having a franchise QB. He had a run of double digit wins that hasn’t been matched by any Tampa Bay coach. And I get what have you done for me lately. i really do. But where the eff is some dang balance?

    So can we agree. Last year we sucked…everybody..ALL of us..including Lovie.

    But the man has put it on the line in an attempt to CHANGE.

    To paraphrase John Lennon’s peace song..

    All I am saying…is give him a chance.

    I think this team has 8-8 talent. I believe..and I agree with BucBonzai it’ll have to happen in the second half of the season..he dosesn’t see the same number of wins as me but we agree that this team will be far different in the second half of the season than the first. I still believe that we win 10. IF we win less than six for any reason other than injuries or MRSA I’ll jump off the Lovie bandwagon.

  45. StPeteBucsFan Says:

    @Lord Cornelius

    Great post. I love me some good snark. Well done. Yes we suck so why are we even here typing? LMAO

  46. Vincente Says:

    I don’t like when someone says it could be worse. Like your suppose to accept that the o line is not in good shape. Nope not this year not with a good QB coming in. Nope. They better do something about it. I’m tired of this crap.

  47. BucFan20 Says:

    Another book by SPBF. Glad I never read them.

  48. Lakeland Buc Says:

    Calm down folks, it’s only the preseason. These games are meaningless, we will be fine this season. I still say that we win the NFC South this season,our defense will be our strength. A few players on offense has to step their game up, they know who they are.I have been impress with our running game and defense,and those are the two main area’s that it takes to win. I’m excited for this season, I can’t wait.

  49. Lord Cornelius Says:

    It’s just funny to me at this point St Pete. I don’t really read the comments too much anymore or care to try to convince anyone of anything. You can’t change these people’s mentality. Winning should help but even then I’m sure certain characters will be looking for anything they can to dismiss it as fluky/lucky/etc

  50. StPeteBucsFan Says:


    No more glad than me. Never read them. Quite honestly I do not post them for people without easy reading comprehension skills and attention span longer than a gerbil.

    I guess you’re the MTV generation eh. But like the gerbil on his wheel just keep spinning the scroll wheel IF you know how. The fact that you boast about your short attention span says far more about you than me.

    Having said that I do not intend to bore anybody. Seriously scroll the freaking wheel morons…NOBODY is FORCING you to read my stuff. If you’re too effing lazy to use a scroll wheel that’s on you NOT ME!!!

  51. StPeteBucsFan Says:


    Yeah I’m truly wondering what will happen when we start winning again? What will they have to post?

  52. Buc1987 Says:

    SPBF…nothing but rainbows and unicorns!

  53. StPeteBucsFan Says:

    87 And if they win what will you call those rainbows and unicorns? Your negative igorance.

    Why would anyone embrace rainbows and unicorns when they could have your unadulerated pessimism. Yep 87 the little train who chugged up the hill saying I think I can’t I think I can’t.

    I get realism but this board has moved so far away from realism it’s pathetic.
    Yes my view is the optimistic one but it’s not freaking impossible. Your view is the negative one and it too is possible. EITHER COULD happen! That is LITERALLY a FACT. You cannot deny it. If you wish to characterize the POSSIBILITY of a winning season as so far fetched as to be rainbows and unicorns then as MR T famously said…Pity the fool.

  54. Buc1987 Says:

    4-6 wins tops anything else is sugar on top…happy times.

    Either way I’m going to atleast 4 games this season.

    Rainbows and unicorns!

  55. Lakeland Buc Says:

    We should win this division with ease, the Saints are just ..terrible. The Panthers are probably the least talented team in this division. The Falcons o-line are just as worse as our’s if not worse. I watched them Saturday night against Miami, they gave up 6 sacks to Miami. Matt Ryan was 3/7 passing with 3 sacks in a very short period, they waived Peter Kontz today. And the Falcons best defense player has been Adrian Clayborn, they moved him to 3-Tech and he have 2 sacks and a bunch of pressures. If we don’t win this division with our talent, it would be disgraceful. We have toooo much talent, not to win it. LET’S GO BUCS

  56. StPeteBucsFan Says:

    Well one thing is for sure 87. Despite your pessimism I’ll never question your fan credentials. You are at least a true Buc fan and in my heart I believe you’d love to come back if we win ten and say SPBF you were right! I believe you think we’re only good for four or six wins but would be happy to surrender “football expertise” for a win.

    And I can jump start it for you. You know I was a Mariota supporter. But since I’ve seen Fameis…OL questions and ankle questions and all I’m more than willing to say that you were right about Fameis.

    Of course Andrew Luck led the Colts from 2-14 to 11-5. Was that team really that stacked? No I’m not ready to crown Fameis the next Andrew Luck. But were the Colts THAT much better than us?

    How about Alex Smith…can Fameis match him? He obviously had more experience when he lead KC from 2-14 to 11-5. I do believe the Chiefs were better than us for that turnaround but not THAT much. Again I’m admitting to 8-8 talent but I expect 10. Call me crazy or greedy,

  57. Dave Says:

    The so called fans on here that trash the gm and coach who are in year 2 of a complete rebuilding process are pretty fricking ignorant.
    Most of you claim that you are “being realistic”
    No you are not. You are completely pessimistic, negative people whose lives are probably filled with misery if that is how you view everything.
    The Bucs have some great LBs and DTs and WRs and damn decent RBs. The DBs are average and need improvement. The DEs are a big need. The O Line is a need. The QB was a need.

    So they drafted QB and some O lineman. What do you want ? Perfection in a BS pre season game? With rookies all over on offense and a new OC ??

    They looked damn good against the bengals and some got too hyped up. Horrible against the Browns and some predict a horror story.
    Pre season with a lot of new unknowns. So be it.
    They will fall somewhere in between and in this division, I’m guessing they will have a shot at 7-8 wins.

    They are heading in the right direction. If you are so blind and negative and miserable to see that then stop watching. Go watch soccer because your football IQ is non existent.

  58. Lakeland Buc Says:

    We have more talent than any team in the NFC, we should win this division with ease. The Saints are more like the Aints. The Panthers has zero talent, we should sweep them. The Falcons are not that good. They O-Line is just as bad as our, if not worse. I watched them Saturday night against Miami, Matt Ryan was 3/7 passing with 3 sacks and about 5-6 pressures in a short time, they gave up 6 sacks in all. Adrian Clayborn has been their best Defensive player, they moved him to 3-Tech he has 2 sacks and a bunch of pressures. They waived Peter Kontz today. We are the most talented team in this division, that’s why we will win this division. GO BUCS

  59. OneLove Says:

    @Lord Cornelius

    HAHAHAHA!! you’re awesome!

    Don’t give up my friend. These people need us now more than ever!! We must continue to spread the word of Jesus and save their souls!!

    Jesus Loves you!

  60. StPeteBucsFan Says:


    All great points. I mean serioiusly these guys are a tough audience.

    They all demanded a franchise QB and most of them wanted Fameis. What did L&L do…they ignored the off field questions and drafted Fameis #1

    They all demanded improvements in the OL…whining that Dominik never drafted an OL. And so what did L&L do? They spent TWO 2nd round picks on OL.

    They demanded an end to Lovie/Dungyball and so what did Lovie do. He hired an OC known for flinging the ball and implementing a 4 vertical offense.

    IE…L&L have done EVERYTHING the fans have asked.

    And so Teddy Bridgewater..a very fine QB…had a game..victory…under his belt and an excellent Minnesota team and they beat us.

    The Bengals…playing in the preseason were ambushed by us and we crushed them.

    Then the Bucs phoned it in against the Browns.

    They did EVERYTHING the fans asked but they had ONE horrible PS game and the haterade is drowning us here.

  61. Lakeland Buc Says:

    I’m always having problems with this site, some of my comments are posted and some are not. Tonight I typed and posted a comment twice, I thought the first one wasn’t posted. I’m pleased with our preseason, I see a lot of improvements from last season. Our O-Line is not as bad as people say, but Logan Mankins is our worst O-Lineman. And he’s also our highest paid O-Lineman, bottom line is he has to go.I would rather have Matthew Masifilo starting at Left Guard, he has been a force this preseason.