Lovie: Counting To 12 Troubles Will Be Simplified

September 28th, 2015

One, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten, eleven, twelve.

It ain’t that hard to count to 12.

But the Buccaneers have trouble with that under Lovie Smith. Remember? It happened twice in a game.

The Bucs were back at it again yesterday. But this time Marcus Arroyo wasn’t around to blame.

Lovie Smith, commander of the Bucs and its defense, had multiple issues of 12 men on the field. Lovie was asked about that this afternoon at One Buc Palace. In a mystifying response, Lovie offered a lot of detail and said he can make effectively counting to 12 easier.

“When you try to match up sometimes and have an ideal set up for what they have it doesn’t work the way you would like for it to do sometimes,” Lovie said. “In particular, you know, we substitute. Of course, they go three receivers, we try to match up with an extra defensive back. Take out a linebacker. But also when a team, in short yardage situations may go two tight ends, two running backs. We try to match up a corner for a safety. Those were some of the problems that we had yesterday. But those aren’t things that we’ll have a lot of trouble with going forward, we can simplify some of that.”


Joe found that answer preposterous. Lovie has 10 years of head coaching experience. He’s got a hand-picked staff in its second year together. Lovie runs the defense with experienced Leslie Frazier as his right hand.

Lovie has proven himself to be anything but a precision game manager through 19 games. His highly-penalized, mistake-prone team might just be reflecting its head coach.

93 Responses to “Lovie: Counting To 12 Troubles Will Be Simplified”

  1. MadMax Says:

    Counting down the remaining 13 games to drafting Bosa and kicking Lovie and Leslie to the curb…ah, ah, ah.

  2. Max Says:

    Joe you hear about this Jared Allen to the panthers?? I wonder what they gave up for him. We surely could have used him just as bad.

  3. Tom Edrington Says:

    Wow, Joe is bound to replace Sherlock Holmes with those astute powers of observation when it comes to Lovie’s incompetence.

  4. NewTampaChris Says:

    I think this coaching staff is at least average (Smith / Frazier) to above average (Koetter). I am mystified as to why we have the same discipline problems as we had under Raheem and Schiano — especially since 75% of the roster has turned over since Lovie got here. We have an organizational disposition to sloppiness. Maybe it’s the Glazers…the only constants.

  5. Hawaiian Buc Says:

    Sometimes when you don’t have a legit excuse, you just have to make one up. This seems to be the case in this situation. I for one would really just prefer the answer of “we screwed up and have to make sure it doesn’t happen again”, but that’s not Lovie’s style. Regardless, it’s embarrassing to have that happen 3 times in a football game. I’d venture to say teams like the Patriots don’t have it happen 3 times all year, and I highly doubt Bellicheat has to “simplify” things for his team to substitute properly.

  6. Tampabaybucfan Says:

    The simple answer is that “We needed 12 to match up with them & we thought the refs wouldn’t notice”

  7. This Guy Right Here Says:

    Ive come to realize that Lovie has a hard time just saying, “IT’S ON ME”!

    Nothing but Excuses from this HAS BEEN HC… Just say it Lovie: ITS ON YOU!

  8. MadMax Says:

    Lol, the latest draft mocks have us picking #1 again and its Nkemdiche (with Bosa going 2nd to the Bears……No, NO, JUST NO!

    Bosa will be ours!

  9. ElioT Says:

    “It’s just one game…”

    “We’ll get it fixed…”

    “For us, it’s about next week…”

    “The season doesn’t really start until November…”

    “We won’t have any trouble with that going forward…”

    How about this coach:
    – Were not a good football team
    – Were not playing together as a team
    – We really have no legitimate leader on this roster
    – We are consistently out-coached
    – We’re one of the most undisciplined teams in the NFL
    – We’re really aren’t sure what is going on
    – There’s too much talent on this roster to play like this
    – We’re consistently losing more and more fans each week
    – If I don’t fix this soon, I’ll be looking for another job in 2016
    – etc…

    This roster of athletes just does not appear to be a team to me. There seems to be no cohesiveness or chemistry. No swagger, no fire, no confidence.

    The Panthers are going to destroy the Sucs in front of their home crowd, again…



    Go Sucs!

  10. This Guy Right Here Says:

    If that’s the TYPE OF TALK that those players are listening to in the film room, just a bunch of run-around mind-numbing talk???

    No wonder theyre Dazed and Out of Place out there on the field! Can we get a REAL HC in the Motherfcukin Building?? With a Plan? A Real fcukin GamePlan??? And the means to get that plan through to his players???

    This HC has no sense of direction, no sense of urgency, no sense whatsoever..

    Im just tired of dedicating my Sundays to a team & HC with no dedication to the game.. Its getting old..

  11. TheBucsAnthem Says:

    1 cookie……..ha ha ha

    2 cookies…….ha ha ha

    (Flag thrown)

  12. pelbuc Says:

    To think, all these excuses with L&L’s hand picked personnel. Just another reason all must go before the bye week except for Koetter. BTW Michael Clayton 2.0 looked great yesterday. Too bad he can’t block.

  13. This Guy Right Here Says:

    Rod Marinelli for HC in 2016, we NEED a HC with some FIRE inside!!

    Keep Koetter & his staff in place for continuity. Get Marinelli in here to maximize all the WASTED TALENT we have on our D!

    Marinelli in ’16!!!!!!

  14. OneLove Says:


    You don’t need Lovie to tell you that this isn’t a good football team. Just look at the NAMES on the roster and the play on the field! It doesn’t matter who is coaching this football team!

    “It’s as simple as that” – Lovie Smith aka “I wish you would!”

  15. This Guy Right Here Says:

    Hell, Lets trade for Marinelli now!!

    Glennon, Lovie, and a box of Thin Mint Girl Scout Cookies for Rod Motherfcukin Marinelli!

  16. The Buc Realist Says:

    If it was not for the refs, Lovie’s brand new Tampa 12 defense could not be stopped!!!!

    ( he would still only rush 4 though!!! )

  17. tmaxcon Says:

    Lovies defensive philosophy is built on hope and prayes. Hope they stay healthy and pray they produce and minimize mistakes versus getting good football players. It’s more important to know the system than be an actual good football player. They know the system but can’t count… sounds like a winning combination

  18. tmaxcon Says:

    This Guy Right Here

    You do realize that Marinelli sucks has a head coach. His last attempt resulted in a 0-16 season

  19. This Guy Right Here Says:


    With all the parity in the NFL, theres Talent on EVERY TEAM… In the end?? It all comes down to coaching…

    And Lovie?? He just isnt built for this league, in 2015… He peaked, his legacy will always be his NFC Champion Bears, and all this now??? Is just him slowly making his exit out of the league that got too big for him…

    Simple as That… Simple as Lovie..

  20. This Guy Right Here Says:


    I’d take Marinelli and his fire over Laid-Back Lovie Any Day!

    Marinelli knows D-Lines, can get the best out of McCoy & Jaq

  21. tmaxcon Says:

    This Guy Right Here

    I understand your frustration but living in the past brought us Lovie and his pathetic staff. I’d rather find a new guy with fire than go back to the past again. Living in the past never works

  22. This Guy Right Here Says:

    …Leave the O as it is, with Winston & Koetter, Marinelli as HC/DC, Can we just move on from the ‘LOVIE EXPERIMENT’??? Cause Im about ready to move on from this team… after 19 years!

  23. DB55 Says:

    It happened twice in this game too except that the first time we call a timeout bc we only had 10 on the field although the commentator said 12.

    Lovie should be spending to with his grandkids.

  24. This Guy Right Here Says:


    You may be right.. There could be better candidates out there… I’m just at the point where I’m looking past Lovie.

  25. This Guy Right Here Says:

    Bucs D is Looking Through Lovie… real Bucs Fans: Looking Past Lovie..

  26. DB55 Says:

    Max Says:
    September 28th, 2015 at 4:49 pm
    Joe you hear about this Jared Allen to the panthers?? I wonder what they gave up for him. We surely could have used him just as bad.
    I’ve been asking for this for two years.

  27. tickrdr Says:


    Been dazed and confused for so long it’s not true
    Wanted a “coach”, never bargained for you.


  28. OneLove Says:

    @This Guy Right Here

    I’m with you on Marinelli!! I mean look at what an AMAZING job he did against the Falcons yesterday!!!

    “Its as simple as that” – Lovie Smith aka “I WISH YOU WOULD!”

  29. Patrickbucs Says:

    This Guy Right Here Says:
    September 28th, 2015 at 5:18 pm
    Rod Marinelli for HC in 2016, we NEED a HC with some FIRE inside!!

    Keep Koetter & his staff in place for continuity. Get Marinelli in here to maximize all the WASTED TALENT we have on our D!

    Marinelli in ’16!!!!!!

    Bro do you know NFL history at all? Just curious when was the last coach to go 0-16 get hired as a head coach again? That’s a horrible idea. If we are going to hire someone let’s at least look at an outside team that’s had a proven record from a recently successful franchise. Aka what Atlanta did. No more Bucs retreads.

  30. OneLove Says:


    I’m pretty sure we’ve tried the new fire route with Schiano and HE FAILED MISERABLY!! Let’s just keep rotating coaches like a BUNCH OF IDIOTS and hopefully one works out for us in the next century!

    “It’s as simple as that” – Lovie Smith aka “I’ll PISS ON YOUR BILLBOARDS!”

  31. BuccaneEric75 Says:

    It’s the new 1-2 defense! 1 DT, 2 LB, and 9 DB!! No one covers the TE though.

  32. Dusthty Rhothdes Says:

    dJared Allen added to panthers defense today that should work out well… hmmm do the bucs need rush end help?
    Fire LOVIE…. bring in mcdaniels or saben

  33. Buccfan37 Says:

    You can’t upset Lovie no matter how hard you may try. Like the government, he doesn’t care what anyone thinks. Set in his ways is a gross understatement. Nice guys finish last.

  34. Rojas_ Says:

    Chuck Pagano ? Jim Harbaugh ? Even though I’m hearing Jim might Chucks replacement.

  35. This Guy Right Here Says:


    Isn’t it a gotdamn shame, that I’d rather take a dude that went 0-16, over our 3-16 Lovie???

    It’s another sad season to be a Bucs fan…

  36. This Guy Right Here Says:

    OneLove Says:
    September 28th, 2015 at 5:48 pm

    @This Guy Right Here

    I’m with you on Marinelli!! I mean look at what an AMAZING job he did against the Falcons yesterday!!!

    “Its as simple as that” – Lovie Smith aka “I WISH YOU WOULD!”


    “Its as Simple as Lovie’s Defense” – Marcus Mariota, Ryan Mallet, Alfred Blue

  37. Tampabaybucfan Says:

    Speaking for Pablo

    “Even all of Pablo’s many children can count to de doce…..and several of Pablo children are under tres.
    Since Pablo is unreachable except through TBBF…..Pablo will go out on a limb and declare that the Bucs will beat the Panthers Sunday….TBBF reserves judgement.”

  38. Patrickbucs Says:

    @this guy

    That’s funny and sad at the same time

  39. This Guy Right Here Says:

    Let the Glazers print up some ’13th Man’ Flags for the fans at Ray Jay this weekend…. Get LOUD Tampa!!!!

    ..fcuk outta here.

  40. tmaxcon Says:

    Harbaugh will not be leaving Michigan especially for Tampa.

    First step is for Glazers to admit they need help.

    Second Step is for the Glazers to hire a President of Football operations and NOT derrick brooks or some other dungy disciple living in the past is stupid.

    Next they need to let the football guy make all football decisions and stay out of his way.

    But first and foremost, for the sake of the city and the fans they must send Lovie to the basement during the bye week. However they don’t have the stones to do the right thing and admit they made a huge mistake turning all the control over to Lovie. Stop the bleeding please….

  41. This Guy Right Here Says:

    “That’s funny and sad at the same time”

    Thats how we roll! Its A Bucs Life!!

  42. Patrickbucs Says:

    If Harbaugh went anywhere back in the NFL it’s going to be in Indy.

  43. This Guy Right Here Says:

    Can we hire Al Pacino for just 45, 60 seconds every week??? At halftime?? To give that same speech he did in Any Given Sunday???

    …other than that? Im outta ideas on what the fcuk else we can do to liven our players the fcuk up…

  44. tmaxcon Says:

    This Guy Right Here

    Maybe they should hire Grimes’s wife from the dolphins to fire up the team she takes losses pretty hard and shows a lot of passion. If GMC took that hit from the cop that she did he would be on IR for two seasons… She was pissed about that loss.

  45. Tampabaybucfan Says:

    All the Glazers need to do is to threaten the players with a re-hire of Schiano….an a$$-whippin’ fear might movtivate them.

  46. Buccfan37 Says:

    Where is StPeteBucsFan today with his two cents? Hope all is well.

  47. tmaxcon Says:


    I was thinking the same thing about stpete… probably enjoying retirement on a beach with an umbrella drink with his better half. …

    I am also concerned about by good friend Nole……. I am still waiting!

  48. This Guy Right Here Says:


    You’re at home, with 11 rottweilers… With certain phrases, You train them to each take up a certain position in the house in case of a threat…


    When the threat finds a way past the dogs, and into the house, your rotties are still posted up, looking outward. In their position.. While you get carved up… Their all thoroughbreds, in top shape… but you still get carved up…

    This is Lovie’s system… He gameplans to prevent… But he HAS NO PLAN to ADJUST when his original plan Collapses…

    He has no Plan B… (Had zero plans for stopping Alfred Blue!) …He’s not Fluid Enough to adapt and adjust… He’s even more stubborn than Dungy … (and thats pretty fcukin stubborn)…

    He has no fluidity, no ability to read the flow of the game and make the necessary adjustments… He’s stuck in Laid-Back Mode…

    Marinelli in ’16!!! …or whoever the fcuk else… Save this team Glazers, and Cut Bait!

  49. This Guy Right Here Says:

    tmaxcon Says:
    September 28th, 2015 at 6:23 pm

    This Guy Right Here

    Maybe they should hire Grimes’s wife from the dolphins to fire up the team she takes losses pretty hard and shows a lot of passion. If GMC took that hit from the cop that she did he would be on IR for two seasons… She was pissed about that loss.

    Miko for Interim HC!!!

  50. Bucco Brice Says:

    Lovie sucks, “simple as that”…never get to the promised land with this clueless game day coach….excuse after excuse…its time to go

  51. sho-nuff Says:

    Lovie’s a rock…does that feel like a winner to you?

    Wimpy owners=wimpy team….

  52. Yungry Says:

    Meanwhile, Matt Bryant is 6 for 6 this season! Patrick Murray and Conner Barth are both experienced and reliable. If Lovie trusts the wrong one, he’ll be next to go! We NEED Mrs. Grimes more than Lovie at this point. Please call Brent’s agent ASAP

  53. Stevek Says:

    I am baffled that we didn’t offer a 6th round pick for Jared Allen. What. The. Hell?

    This is the same regime that traded a 4th round pick and paid $7,000,000.00 annually for Logan Mankins.

    2005 Simeon Rice mean anything to anyone? You know the last time a Buccaneer got and not gave up 10+ sacks.

  54. DefenseRules Says:

    Let’s see … 50 comments and about half of them involve replacing Lovie with ________ (fill in the blanks).

    Since 2008 we’ve had Jon Gruden for 2008 & 2009, Raheem Morris for 2010 & 2011, Greg Schiano for 2012 & 2013, and now Lovie Smith for 2014 & 2015.

    Oh ya, 2 years is about right. More than enough time to build a winning team. If not, the natives get restless and we certainly can’t have that in Bucville.

    Definitely time to cut Lovie loose and hire someone else. Perhaps we’ll even get different results with the next coach hired by the Glazer boys. Somehow I doubt it however.

  55. This Guy Right Here Says:

    If Lovie was in Miko Grime’s shoes…

    Not only would he not have head butted the cop, but he wouldve accepted the charges, done the cops papoerwork for him, and relied on his defense to get the charges dropped..

  56. Tampabaybucfan Says:

    Maybe hiring Amanda Tynes…..Lawrence Tynes’ wife as Director of Player Personnel would scare some life into the Bucs…


    By Nole….do you mean our friend from Montana?

  57. This Guy Right Here Says:

    @Defense Rules,

    Hey, maybe 2 years is 1 year too many… In todays NFL – LOOK AT THE FALCONS & DAN QUINN, Handling His Team Like A Fcukin BOSS should!!

    Todays league moves TOO FAST to wait around on ‘NEXT TIME/NEXT GAME’ talkin coaches like LOVIE!

    Cut Bait Glazers!

  58. bucrightoff Says:

    Lovie can count to $20 million I’m sure. He’ll have lots of time to do so when he thankfully is fired.

  59. Yungry Says:

    Jim Leavitt could smack up players at halftime. I want Jim Leavitt!!!

  60. JMN Says:

    Starting to wonder if the Bucs will ever get a good coach again. Not a single previous coach of this franchise is a head coach in the NFL right now. First off, it would take a special person to turn this train wreck around, so an up and coming coach would not want the risk. Second, it is career suicide.

  61. LargoBuc Says:

    I dont get the freakout. Yeah, we gave up some yards but we only gave up 19 points. Thats pretty good. We held our opponent under 20 points in 2/3 games so far. Thats pretty good for a stop gap defense of cast offs. Hopefully as we get younger players in here to learn and play with the vets that know Lovies system, this defense will grow into a top unit. But its not there yet. We need a True game changer at DE. A strong DT to play the 1 to Geralds 3. We also need a corner to be our unquestioned guy to play across opposing teams no.1 reThe problem is our offense is young and kinda predictable. We have a rookie qb. We have no speed at receiver. Thats got to be a priority next year. AsJ is pretty good, but when he’s hurt, Stocker and Myers are sub par. Doug Martins and strong, durable work horse but we need a fast, explosive change of pace back to compliment him. Sims looks like a bust. And our o line is really ypung mixed with really old which can be trouble. Just gotta hope Smith and Marpet grow and keeping adding through the draft. The iffense can be good someday but its a couple pieces shy of being truly dynamic.

  62. LargoBuc Says:

    Please excuse that post. it was submitted before I was done cleaning it up a bit. Basically I was saying that Im not worried about yesterdays loss. The defense did their job by holding the Texans to 19 points and the offense is still a work in progress.
    However, we can not get embarassed again.

  63. bucrightoff Says:

    Because the Texans offense is….the Texans offense. It’s one of the worst in the league. And a backup QB, backup RB and mostly backup OL basically had their way with the Bucs defense. The Bucs defense can only look decent when it’s producing turnovers, otherwise it’s going to get destroyed by any half decent QB.

  64. OneLove Says:



  65. destro44 Says:

    I think the best option for a coach if the Glazers move on is a second chance coach. Up and comerss and high profile. Coaches won’t come here, hell we traded for Gruden. We should look for a very good coordinator from a well run well coached franchise who is still young, had a decent head coaching position but got run out. Josh Mcdaniels is a real option who may jump at an opportunity to be a head coach again. He comes with connections to good coaches as well.

  66. DallasBuc Says:

    If the Panthers come into our house this Sunday and blow the doors off this team, again, will Incompetent Lovie Smith’s response be “it’s just one game” with that same ho-hum look on his face?

  67. Soggy Says:

    Like this lovie

    1 glass figurine

    2 glass figurines

    3 glass figurines

    and so on, eye eye captain?

  68. CreamsicleBananaHammock Says:

    I played 3 years of pee wee football, 4 years of high school football and a couple of years at a small college

    I can say that NOT ONCE in all of those years of amateur, small time football was my team or our opponent ever called for 12 men on the field

  69. cmurda Says:

    The Bucs better “simplify” all 3 phases of football and execute it. Lovie has an excuse for everything but he is unable to will his players to execute. Some coaches like Belichick squeeze the very most out of his players while other coaches such as Lovie Smith seem to suck the life out of his players. You’ve had several months to “simplify” the gameplan. Now is not the time. Either the coaches didn’t teach well or the players fail to buy in but time is runing out on the Lovie regime. I’m really starting to wonder if Koetter will be O Coordinator next season. if Lovie doesn’t make it to next year, Dirk should be in the running for a promotion.

  70. Stevek Says:

    The thing is, if we ax Lovie, who would come in to replace him? Just crazy to think that we are going to have to sit thru another two seasons of this product they like to call “football” in Tampa. Good thing the real football doesn’t start until November.

    I miss Schiano’s kneel down brawling more than this lifeless brand of football with a whole lot of softness and not a lot of toughness with accountability.

  71. BucFan20 Says:

    Well we could try to blame it on the Florida education system. But then , How many players came from here?

  72. bucrightoff Says:

    Bucs will have a great cap situation, relatively young team, potential franchise QB in place and a top pick. It’s in theory a very attractive job….except, of course, for the Glazers. But even then I think a top OC would look at this job and want to come here. Get a Greg Roman or Kyle Shannahan or another OC looking to move up.

  73. Bucs Fan #7423 Says:


    Make an article about how we need to stop having so many three and outs on offense!!

  74. Bucs Fan #7423 Says:


  75. DallasBuc Says:

    ^^^do we need an article about 3 and outs? I think it’s fair to say we are all not in favor of it

  76. Stanglassman Says:

    I thought everyone on this tread would be consistent and be typing ALL CAPS to Fire Koetter now. Oh well, so much for accountability.

    Largo-Always enjoy your post but I’d like to see more of Sims before I call him a bust. He did look better this last game.

    I really wish we could pick the commenters we’d like to read. It would be so nice not to have to sift to the same trash day after day. Hawaiian (we don’t always agree but hes always thoughtful), Lakeland, Onelove, Largo- all def on my list.

  77. ATrain Says:



  78. R.O Says:

    No one thought he may be covering for Kwon and/or an assistant?

  79. Howard Cosell Says:

    Do any of you know why we can’t get a good HC?
    It’s because no good HC will work for the Glazers. It’s well known that they
    don’t give you the tools to win with.
    They love to posture like they do, but they don’t.
    It’s a hoax and every intelligent NFL professional out there knows that.

    Kelly didn’t leave the Bucs at the alter because simply because of Freeman.

  80. DefenseRules Says:

    Folks, the Bucs had 2 good coaches back to back: Tony Dungy and Jon Gruden. The Glazers screwed over both of them. If you want to hold someone accountable, start at the top.

  81. Dusthty Rhothdes Says:

    If Lovie showed some improvement SOMEWHERE… it would be progress… Defense: is getting worse SPECIAL TEAMS: Worse OFFENSE: *still horrible but jameis will be good COACHING: Hahaha fired another coordinator, OL coach hahaha… 12 on the field hahaha….. adios señor lovie

  82. Dusthty Rhothdes Says:

    PS UMMM IM STILL WAITING FOR IT but losing patience… thank gawd for short term investments and fan duel on Sundays

  83. DefenseRules Says:

    @This Guy Right Here … “Cut Bait Glazers”.

    Sell the Falcons to the Glazers and you know what you’d have? The Bucs North … even with Dan Quinn coaching them.

    There’s been only TWO constants since the Bucs played Game 1 almost 40 years ago: Hugh Culverhouse and The Glazers. Both had a history of trying to run the team ‘on the cheap’ and of making poor management decisions.

  84. BigMacAttack Says:

    I’m not Lovie’s biggest fan, but what do you expect him to say. This was another pitfall but I think they’re getting better. It sounds crazy but with every week Jameis will improve and I think they will actually upset the Panthers. I don’t think it will be close either. Bucs by 17 pts haha.

  85. tmaxcon Says:


    no i was referring to nole on saturday bucs on sunday. i’m his favorite next to realist and dallas.

  86. LargoBuc Says:

    A 12 man penalty is usually when two or more players are confused about the sub groups going in and dont know if they should get off/on the field. Uts things like that these players got to know. I would guess that Lovie and Leslie go over these various personel groups every week. Its just not sinking in. It was different when we had a Sapp and Brooks to keep those things in check on gameday. This defense dosent have that. GMC is a great player but he dosent have that cut throat leadership like Sapp. Same with LVD to Brooks. Just hoping these guys keep studying to get it down.
    And as a former HS player, you dont see those mistakes in the lower levels because the different sub groups arent nearly as complex and there arent as many of them :p

  87. Skull X Bones Says:

    Sitting here watching the Packers serving KC…so this is what it’s like to watch a real time work the grid iron. On offense, varied formations, creative route combinations, stacked wide receivers “picking” coverage, quick slants, bubble screens, run outside, run inside…On defense, who’s dropping into coverage, who’s coming for the qb? It it the Mike, is it the Will, hmmm, maybe it’s the corner…is it man, is it zone? Why is it that I see none of this as part of our game plan. So sick and tired! How about a linebacker or corner blitz to assist pressure. How about split Doug Martin or Sims III out wide and get them in space on a quick slant. It’s the same old formations, over and over. The same old intermediate route combinations. The same old run between the tackles. It’s the epitome of vanilla football time and time again, Sunday after Sunday, no wonder we can’t win a game.

  88. Phred Says:

    If you can’t get pressure from your front four, the Tampa Two doesn’t work. It’s that simple. Your linebackers need to make the receivers pay for those three-step drop over the middle passes. All you need from the secondary is speed and the ability for corners to stay close enough to a receiver that a safety can get there the same time a ball does.

  89. This Guy Right Here Says:


    So you want to overlook the lack of leadership from arguably our best players, GMC, LVD.. Overlook the lack of discipline, mental lapses from our HC Lovie?

    Fair enough, so you want to put it on the Glazer Kids.. I think we all can agree that they kept their wallets closed with Raheem, it was a money move no doubt.. We were in a period of transition, and Raheem was nothing more than a bridge to the next regime.

    They saw the state of disarray that Schiano put us in, but at least they opened up their wallets for guys like Goldson, Revis.. But Schiano couldnt get out of his college coach mindset, treated vets like frat boys…

    So then, (I believe), they wanted to win back the fans, and try and build that link back to their fathers glory days… And in comes Lovie… I was on board at the time, and so were most other Bucs fans….

    The Glazers let Lovie spend their money on ‘his guys’, McCown, Johnson, Collins, Verner, Smith….Tedford….And look at us now…

    But The Glazers, in hiring Lovie, did what they thought would please the fanbase… The only positive, is that Lovie was bad enough that we picked up Winston, so now they need to make a calculated decisicion on what HC can pick up where Lovie fcuked up, and bring out the best in this team… The way Gruden was able to do with Dungys squad, until Gruden got too hands on in personnel. And Licht is way more competent to run the management F.O. side of things…

    But like the Joe’s mentioned, Lights philosophy is to know when you made a mistake, and cut ties right away… Lovie was the Glazers mistake, (andf most of the fans, sht I was on board when he got hired), but recognize a bad investment and cut your losses while there’s still 13 games left in the season..

  90. Stanglassman Says:

    For all the people who are blaming the Glazers, pining for Gruden and drooling over Packers.

    How did the Glazers screw over Dungy and Gruden? Why do both of them say nice things about the Glazers?

    Speaking of screwing over- Imagine if Gruden would have drafted Rogers like he told him ‘You’re my pick’ at Bern’s steak house a few days before the draft. Gruden screwed himself over.

    I do think the Bucs should have kept Ron Wolf. He is the reason the Packers are as good as they are. They develop players within and draft well.

  91. FLBoyInDallas Says:

    It’s starting to get a little old listening to Lovie’s “nothing to see here” approach to every problem. At some point this season he’s going to have to show significant improvement coming from this team or his job might be “nothing to see here” when it’s over.

  92. BoomBoomBoom Says:

    why is this such a hard concept to master? start with 11 on the field…if 2 people come in…2 must go out? When I played in high school it was simplified by the person coming in to tell the person he was replacing to come out.

  93. Howard Cosell Says:

    Stanglassman Says:

    How did the Glazers screw over Dungy and Gruden? Why do both of them say nice things about the Glazers?

    Because they’re not stupid.
    I’m not going to say a bad word about my old boss even
    if he was a completely dysfunctional psycho. It does me no
    good at all to throw stones. Any intelligent professional
    is going to think the same way.

    That said, there are off-the-record whispers that all of the criticisms
    of the Glazers are true and then some.
    * They run the team on the cheap but they try to disguise it.
    * They are terrible at hiring coaches.
    * They’re very sensitive to public criticism because they fear
    it will effect their bottom line.

    I firmly believe that Sileo was fired for taking the Glazers to task
    on the air waves. It’s highly conspicuous the way that no radio DJ
    or popular blogger will touch the Glazer negligence subject with a
    ten foot pole. Local professional talking at happy hour say the same
    things that I do. Most of them gave up their season tickets long ago.

    That said, I have a lot of love and respect for Malcolm: The guy who brought in Dungy and Gruden and won the SB and ALWAYS had a good team. Franky, his sons have severely1 tarnished his legacy in Tampa.