The Draft — Not QBs — Is A Gamble
April 25th, 2015
Illogical fear is running wild
Joe’s head is about to explode from things being written in recent days. It boils down to there is way too much time between the NFL Scouting Combine and the draft.
Those who make a living with words must file stories, and with nothing concrete happening, wild imaginations have taken over.
Take for example the concept of the Bucs not drafting a quarterback Thursday. If that happens, the Bucs will have effectively run off their fan base a decade. If the team isn’t going to get a quarterback now, then when? Never? Good luck with that.
Joe has sensed angst building, paranoia perhaps, that — gasp! — drafting a quarterback may backfire. Matt Baker of the Tampa Bay Times typed a piece of research that shows that half of quarterbacks selected in the first round are busts. True.
But not to be overlooked, Bill Polian, the soon-to-be Hall of Fame general manager, spoke about this subject at length recently on SiriusXM NFL Radio and noted half of all first round picks are busts, regardless of position, not just quarterbacks.
He also noted that if one was to be very generous, a “good” draft might show nearly 60 percent of first round picks were with their teams four years after being drafted.
Then in walks the “Custodian of Canton,” eye-RAH! Kaufman of The Tampa Tribune, who also thinks the Bucs could pass on a quarterback for an irrational fear of failure.
The most shocking scenario of all would be for Tampa Bay to keep the first overall pick and pass over the past two Heisman Trophy-winning quarterbacks, Winston and Mariota.
There are some dynamic prospects available that could potentially fill Tampa Bay’s needs at defensive end and offensive line. Another factor? Recent NFL history is littered with examples of eventual quarterback disappointments who were selected with premium picks.
Funny, the Bucs gagged on selecting defensive ends in 2011, Adrian Clayborn and Da’Quan Bowers, yet Joe has not heard one word from anywhere, fans or NFL types, who suggest the Bucs should not draft a defensive end because they’ve gotten burned.
The Bucs also whiffed on the offensive line (remember Kenyatta “Hands-to-the-Face” Walker?). Is there anyone who suggests the Bucs should not draft an offensive lineman high in the draft because they once fanned on one? Of course not.
The draft is a crapshoot no matter who you target. It is an inexact science. If you are scared to draft, then trade away all of your picks and go full-blown George Allen for other teams’ castoffs.
April 25th, 2015 at 8:35 am
Drafting the wrong QB will run off the fan base for 2 generations….
Joe’s
Jameis Off field Enablers
April 25th, 2015 at 8:37 am
History tells that picking a Heisman Trophy winner is a sure fire way of getting a franchise QB!!! Whew, I was starting to get worried….
April 25th, 2015 at 8:48 am
Joe
I agree with your meme about NEEDING to take a franchise QB while you have the chance. But that’s from your perspective as taking the chance to make the Bucs a championship contender, there is no down side for you at all!!!
Now while I agree with you and all the fans screaming for the QB pick I absolutely could understand if L&L traded down and did not take a QB in the first round, perhaps picking one up later. Their fear would hardly be irrational!
Just as Freeman took down Dominik, what Polian is saying is that there is a 50-50 chance this pick will take down Lovie and Licht. Now just for once put yourself in THEIR PLACE. If they trade down fans will grumble and grouse about how they didn’t get enough, how they HAD to draft a QB, yadda yadda yadda. But that will pass and this draft will not loom large over the careers.
There is every reason to believe that they think they can get ten wins out of Glennon in Koetter’s offense. Remember how Glennon ripped the Seattle defense in Seattle for that time that the Bucs ran their two minute hurryup offense. Koetter may have seen something he likes.
Whatever…if they trade down and it doesn’t pan out they still could win enough with Glennon until they can find their SB QB. If they fail with this pick…50-50 odds and all..that is how Lovie’s career will be defined. He will retire with whatever the next rookie QB can produce. Because if he drafts a QB that is where the attention will go…just as it did with Dominik and Freeman. Ditto for Licht.
Bottom line…if they DO draft a QB you have to at minimum give L&L credit for grande cojones.
April 25th, 2015 at 8:50 am
That’s funny. This article kind of spits in the face of what that guy wrote in the previous article. Joe brings up Polian being future HOF and Dom’s draft busts of Clayborn and Bowers.
April 25th, 2015 at 8:54 am
Really Joe Joe? Freeman and Glennon were bad picks and you’re still on here making moronic comments.
April 25th, 2015 at 9:00 am
the bucs are anxiously awaiting the phone to ring so they can trade down. mike glennon will need a back up. I have 2 words for you: Bryce petty.
April 25th, 2015 at 9:08 am
Joe’s point is anyone at any position can be a bust. You can’t live scared that’s why they have to take Jameis. Look at it this way if you want to be scared. If we don’t pick Jameis he could be the next great quarterback and we would be the idiots that passed him up. That’s what you people who takes these anti winston guys (like mayock) so seriously don’t get. If Jameis turns out to be fantastic (which he will) then what they said won’t matter and whoever didn’t take him will be considered foolish for passing on clearly the next great qb.
April 25th, 2015 at 9:11 am
QBASE model has been pretty accurate at picking NFL busts. IT pics Winston being a bust. Winston has cement heavy feet . Cannot throw wth accuracy on the run . Will throw alot of interceptions. Let alone his off field problems. How about being in the stands and haveing crab legs in our faces and told our QB is a rapeist while he is being sued for rape in cort,
April 25th, 2015 at 9:12 am
Port richey all the Bucs are waiting for is for Thursday to get here so they can stop all of this nonsense that folks like you spew. But for a minute lets be serious, if they do take Jameis are you going to bail or give him a chance?
April 25th, 2015 at 9:13 am
Absolutely, ndog..dont make the bowie pick with mj on the board still..these guys are crestfallen jameis is the best player in the draft, hands down..this blatant jealousy hurts them and its obvious….they have 5 days to continue to deny the inevitable tho..enjoy! 🙂
April 25th, 2015 at 9:13 am
Port Richey George
I’ve changed my mind on this pick a dozen times already!!! I was for the trade down crowd. Then I went for Mariota, then the Joes and the Winstonites won me over for a couple of weeks, then back to Mariota, and now finally back to where I started trade down.
The more I think about players I”ve watched, and who those 50-50 odds might be best used on…Dante Fowler keeps coming up!! I’m not a Gator or Nole…I root for all Florida teams but as you can see I am St. Pete and so of course we all take some local pride in Dante.
He was relentless last year. He has a non stop motor. Putting him on the DL with GMC could finally give us our Sapp/Rice combo.
Meanwhile as you point out George we can take Petty later. In addition I’d like to see what Glennon can do in Koetter’s hurry up offense. MG8 certainly did well against the Seahawks! We get the offensive line to at least mediocre and we can cover that deficiency with Koetter’s play calling and our increasing stable of offensive weapons. My gawd add Adrian Peterson to that mix and the Bucs will at least be like the Spanish Beer guy…the “most interesting” team in the world.
April 25th, 2015 at 9:16 am
@joe… Didn’t know you needed clicks so bad! Bringing controversy where their is non.
April 25th, 2015 at 9:17 am
I like Andrew Luck but he gets a major pass, and this is a fact!! Lets talk turnovers..
Luck has thrown 43 picks in 3 yrs and is only completing 58.6 percent of his passes. In his defense though he wins games and has improved every year despite not having a strong run game. Luck will take chances with the football just like Jameis does. The whole notion that Luck is on another level from Jameis is not true IMO. Luck was the cleaner prospect coming out so it is easy for scouts to say he is on another level.
April 25th, 2015 at 9:20 am
Stpete…. With all your indecision I’m sure glad your not making the pick.. Lol
April 25th, 2015 at 9:21 am
Let’s look at the recent #1’s that were not QB’s:
Clowney DE
Fisher OT
Long OT
Williams DE
Courtney Brown DE
Pace OT
Keyshawn WR
Ki-Jana Carter RB
Dan Wilkinson DT
That takes us back 21 years!
The strange fallacy that should become apparent is that picking a non-QB is far from a guarantee. So we should trade out right?
In that same time period we’ve seen Peyton, Vick, Palmer, Eli, Stafford, Newton, and Luck drafted at #1. The obvious truth is: DRAFT A QB!!!!
April 25th, 2015 at 9:22 am
Sorry stpete that was actually Port Richy I was redwing to.
April 25th, 2015 at 9:23 am
Agreed ndog.
SPBF, trust me if they pass on a QB and he turns out to be great they will be judged very harshly. Most rational personnel people (and fans) understand that a good QB is necessary to succeed. Licht will never have another shot at being a GM if they trade out of this spot to take A guy like Shane Rae and Winston goes on to a great career.
If they take Winston and he doesn’t pan out history will be much kinder. Everyone would simply say that Tamp needed a QB and Winston was the obvious choice with all the talent and the potential to be a franchise QB.
April 25th, 2015 at 9:24 am
@ndog
I take your point about the “embarrassment” if we don’t take Fameis and he’s the next Brady. But that’s all it is “embarrassment”. It’s very possible that the Bucs pass on both QB’s and still manage to assemble a winning team.
There is also this possibility. What if L&L are just being politically correct and are actually afraid to put their entire careers on the odds of Fameis first cleaning up his act, and second being able to take his game from college to the pros.
Then they’d have to feel just as solid about Mariota as they did Fameis.
WHAT IF….they feel that Petty is not that far from Fameis or Mariota and since risk is risk they’d rather assume the risk with Petty and a far less demanding investment of not only draft choice but the PR distraction.
How many great QB’s are in the league in weren’t the first QB selected.
The 6th rounder against the 3rd rounder in the Super Bowl are overused and I admit perhaps a statistical anomaly.
However look at Aaron Rodgers drop to 24th…Bridgewater’s drop last year..Roethlisberger was the third QB picked…It would be easy to pick up Dante Fowler…and still have plenty of juice left to get the 3rd QB in this draft.
And so even if you accept Joe’s premise about the NEED FOR a franchise QB that does not absolutely equate with a Fameis or Marcus pick. In fact statistics may actually argue against that pick.
April 25th, 2015 at 9:27 am
Dante Fowler really, what did having him on the field do for the Gators? How many games did he take over and lead them to victory? Plus what about his comments about the Bucs wasting his time? Don’t you people actually want someone on this team that wants to be here? Does anyone remember Michael Johnson from just last year and how that turned out?
April 25th, 2015 at 9:27 am
@Keetpitreal
Stpete…. With all your indecision I’m sure glad your not making the pick.. Lol
ME TOO! This is why I’m glad it’s easy for me. I’ll root for whomever we pick. if it’s Fameis I’m on board…Marcus…trade down…I’ll still be rooting for the Bucs. That’s the only thing I’m not indecisive about.
April 25th, 2015 at 9:33 am
Comparing Jameis to Andrew luck is a joke. Andrew is a athletic freak for his size , had similar numbers in the 40 and vert jump as cam newton . Jameis is a turd athleticly, slower than Glennon and had very low vert jump, only comparison is maybey arm talent thats it.The only people comparing him to andrew and cam are the Winstonites whereing rose colored glasses for there boy. time to take off the glasses and go to the eye doctor
April 25th, 2015 at 9:34 am
Look at Houston they already had JJ Watt and took another defensive end #1 last year and what did it get them? Then look at the Colts and when they had the #1 pick and what they did. I wonder which team won that divison last year. Oh that’s right the Texans have easily the best defensive player in the league and didn’t make the playoffs while Colts almost made the Super Bowl. This is so clear how do you guys miss what is so obvious!
April 25th, 2015 at 9:34 am
Ndog
The Gators had an excellent defense last year. Do you forget how they throttled Fameis in the first half? But they were statistically solid as well 15th in the nation with NO offense whatsoever. They did this in the SEC!!! They were only three spots behind Alabama.
I totally dislike Muschamp, but he is a great defensive coach and the Gators were just too one dimensional under WM. No QB!!!
Meanwhile Fowler NEVER quit on a team that knew it was doomed for lack of offense. Fowler was clearly a team leader on that defense that still played to 15th with their rotten offense.
You all keep whining about a lack of “attitude” on our team…GMC and LVD are just “too nice”…Fowler is NOT nice. He’d bring plenty of ‘tude to our DL.
April 25th, 2015 at 9:35 am
Hey SPBF that is what is going to make it easy for you and I to watch the draft.
April 25th, 2015 at 9:38 am
ndog
You have to allow for the fact that a significant % of this board do not believe Fameis could carry Andrew Luck’s jock strap.
I get that many of you are blinded by Fameis talent. Many of us can appreciate an excellent college career and understand the excitement about his NFL career but we’re not as ready to anoint him as the next Andrew Luck or Tom Brady as many of you.
If you doubt that Fameis IS the next Brady or that MM is the next Russell Wilson then it makes perfect sense to take your stab at the franchise QB later on in the draft. Just sayin’ it’s not insane and does have some merit.
April 25th, 2015 at 9:38 am
25% of the starting QB’s come from the #1 pick, which is 0.3% of the total picks. That’s a factor of over 80!….. come on fellas, are we that stupid?
April 25th, 2015 at 9:39 am
The #1 pick by us will be Winston…..that is all.
April 25th, 2015 at 9:40 am
Bill
Are you sure about that stat or perhaps it was a typo. 25% come from the FIRST ROUND or the FIRST PICK?
April 25th, 2015 at 9:44 am
All of this is just noise.. It’s Winston!!
April 25th, 2015 at 9:44 am
Fowler had 8.5 sacks last year and 3 of those came against East Carolina. That is your game changer with the #1 pick? Are you serious?
April 25th, 2015 at 9:46 am
first pick. I named 7 of them just a few posts earlier and Alex Smith was omitted from that post.
April 25th, 2015 at 9:48 am
Yes I’m serious Ndog as are most of the draft experts.
BTW there is no place that Fowler would rather play for than his hometown. Atonya English as a feature on Fowler in this morning’s Tampa Bay Times.
If he get’s past Tennessee he is projected now to go to Jacksonville. He’s cool with that because as he said in the piece he’s Florida born and would love to play for a Florida team.
His comment on the Bucs wasting their time was in deference to the prevailing opinion on this board. The Bucs have already decided on Fameis and Fowler was simply pointing out he won’t be around at the 24th pick. But Fowler would LOVE to play at home.
April 25th, 2015 at 9:50 am
Oh & what’s the percentage that MOST Heisman trophy winning QB’s end up being any good ?
April 25th, 2015 at 9:59 am
But Bill I see you omitted…
Sam Bradford….Jamarcus Russell…David Carr…Tim Couch…
Now if you include the first QB selected in any draft the list of losers gets even uglier..some selected at 2 or 3rd in the first round.
In addition I do not feel deprived at having missed out on Cam Newton or Andrew Stafford. Both are competent QB’s but they are clearly not in the Rodgers, Wilson, Brady, Luck, Kaepernik, Flacco, Ryan class. They were wastes of #1 draft picks.
If you go through the draft list whether it’s the number one pick or simply a first round pick the 50-50 rule still holds in effect.
This really does get down to player evaluation. Even if you accept that the the first round or top pick gives you the best CHANCE for success..it still leaves a 50% chance of failure. Why wouldn’t you CAREFULLY consider all your options..
Again if you see the flaws in Fameis game…in Marcus game and in Petty’s game…and in MG8’s game and you decide that the risk versus reward call is on Petty and MG8 that’s not insane.
There are those who believe Fameis is the best pick, but perhaps not the ONLY prospect in this draft and so they have “ranked’ the QB’s by their perceived chances for success….and then there are some here who not only believe Fameis is the best pick but is a slam dunk lock yessirreee Tom Brady waiting to bust out. I accept the first group but I simply cannot align with that second group.
If you open your mind enough to consider that some folks look at Fameis as a really great prospect but still a PROSPECt while others have already anointed him as the next Super Bowl winning QB superstar, then you’ll see how the draft looks so different to these different groups.
April 25th, 2015 at 10:03 am
If you trade down the players you get can be busts.
Any player can bust, at any position, selected at any point in the draft.
But what is most always true is the top teams have the top quarterbacks. Not always but usually.
If you look at the perennial losers they always have crappy qb play. Like us. Bills, Browns, etc. etc.
They are all desperate for QB’s. Here we got the pick of the litter and folks are weak kneed.
April 25th, 2015 at 10:06 am
I agree, 2 months is way too much time between the draft and combine…Media heads have wrote the same 2 or 3 Jameis off-fields incidents 3,673 different ways, it’s ridiculous..
Imho the draft should be no more than a month after the combine…They could extend the combine process; for instance, maybe give teams an entire week instead of 3 or 4 days to evaluate players…teams would have more time with the players for additional interviews, drill re-takes, etc…and then still have 4 weeks before the draft to tie any loose ends…If the draft were at the end of March in coming rookies could be part taking in off-season workouts with their teams right now…Just imagine Bucs fans Jameis would have already had his playbook in hand for nearly a month now…
April 25th, 2015 at 10:08 am
Flacco was a top 15 pick, Big Ben was a top 10 pick, Rivers and Ryan were top 5 picks.
I posted detailed info on this issue over a month ago, I don’t remember the exact numbers. Approximately half of the leagues starting QB’s came from the 1st round. 25% came from the #1 pick. Those are the facts. It doesn’t really mean much in the evaluation of any one player, and you could certainly make the argument that higher picks are put on the field based solely due to that fact, but those are the facts.
April 25th, 2015 at 10:08 am
STBF again what about the #1 pick having a robust 5 sacks versus real division 1 teams. Fowler is a workout warrior and average player, no thank you unless it is in round 2-3.
April 25th, 2015 at 10:11 am
StPeteBucsFan,
To me you are making alot of sense. However, if you believe the current “common knowledge” or Shaun King, the Bucs have done a terrible job hiding there choice from teams that are chosing to offer the kingdom to Tenn for their pick. If the Bucs ever intended to trade down they seemed to have eroded their leverage.
April 25th, 2015 at 10:17 am
@St Pete,
I do follow your thought, and obviously good/great QB’s have slipped through the draft rounds. However, I would suggest that the reason %50 of the starters come from the first round is not a result of a single team recognizing talent, but the magnified likelihood that not all 32 teams will ignore a quality player.
It’s very rare for a good QB to make it out of the 1st round. I’ve touted the %50 figure for starters, but within that scope we haven’t talked about QB’s who would be considered desirable.
Desirable QB’s who weren’t 1st round picks are limited to Brady, Wilson, Russell, Romo, and Brees (pick 32, but technically 2nd round). My subjective opinion of course.
April 25th, 2015 at 10:18 am
Yep, heisman winning QB’s have a high percentage of not doing so well in the nfl. But watching Winston and his mind at work in interviews lately, then the combine, plus I remember being awed at his performance while watching his first live game with Fl st. While he may not be a SB QB, I think the potential is there. And we need a starting QB who is better than MG8. I was an early member of that mob when I was seeing all the craziness going on with Freefree months before it was evident to everyone else.
Now none of us know how he’ll perform at the nfl level. But he did only lose one game in his college career and he did lead his team to a national championship. So far thats a lot better than what we may have in Glennon. But I still hope we keep him as a backup, as I still think he can start too, especially if Winston is hurt or while we’re braking him in.
April 25th, 2015 at 10:20 am
My last mock draft attempt before the draft…(tried to be as realistic as possible) tell me what you think…
Rd1. Jameis Winston (QB) – FSU
Rd2. Laken Tomlinson (OG) – Duke
Rd3. Donavan Smith (OT) – Penn State
Rd4. Adrian Amos (FS) – Penn State
Rd5. Lynden Trail (DE) – Norfolk State
Rd6. Mario Alford (WR/KR) – West Virginia
Rd7. Quandre Diggs (CB) – Texas
Rd7. Junior Sylvestre (LB) – Toledo
April 25th, 2015 at 10:21 am
*breaking, darn “e” didnt work.
April 25th, 2015 at 10:23 am
Nice mock except I could see us going safety with our 2nd or 3rd.
April 25th, 2015 at 10:26 am
Its almost over..YESSSS
April 25th, 2015 at 10:29 am
Oh, baloney.
EVERY pick in EVERY draft is a crapshoot.
April 25th, 2015 at 10:30 am
Bill
We are probably in agreement and splitting mathematical hairs here. I feel pretty certain that any statistical analysis for any position would reveal that the higher the draft pick the greater chance of success.
I think the question is how high are the probabilities and again the individual player evaluation.
And so from a purely mathematical or numbers game we can say that Fameis or anybody is a 50-50 chance to bust in the first round….but those numbers grow worse as you go farther down. I do not have the numbers but I feel pretty sure that 5th rounders make it at far less than first rounders..maybe only 10-20% of the time. And so hoping for a franchise QB in the 5th round or later is probably a fools errand. I get that point that Joe is making. Tom Brady at the 6th round is the exception not the rule.
I think 50% of the starters in the NFL probably come from that first round at any position. Again 50-50 is the rough success rate of 1st rounders.
But if the Bucs considered Petty for example to have the same % of success as Fameis or Marcus then they’d be foolish to not trade down.
Since you’ve looked through all those drafts Bill you can see that many drafts included more than one starting QB while others were almost barren.
It’s very possible that any combination of picks could end up making it or busting and Petty is considered by most “experts” to be a longer shot than either Fameis or Marcus.
What disturbs me about all the experts is that NONE of them will say that player so and so will probably not make it until you get waaaay down the list.
The closest I’ve seen to honesty is when Jaworksi said while he preferred Mariota he thought both QB’s would have fine NFL careers. When Hannah Storm pressed him..you mean they’re slam dunks…he quickly responded…oh no there is no such thing as a slam dunk or sure thing.
Many people here not only believe that Fameis IS a sure thing they believe he’s an “elite” sure thing. He could be. Then again he could just as easily be not.
April 25th, 2015 at 10:37 am
Bucfan4life Says
“Really Joe Joe? Freeman and Glennon were bad picks and you’re still on here making moronic comments.”
How can you not get what Joe is saying?
It isn’t JUST quarterbacks who are a risk. Every player in the draft is one, and there are plenty of busts with other positions as well as with QB.
My mother always tells me, “You can’t win the lotto unless you buy a ticket.”
Well, I pose this to you. You can’t draft a franchise Quarterback without taking a chance and picking a quarterback. Pretty obvious, but you would be surprised how many people don’t get that.
Look at the Jags. They wanted one and they spent picks until they got one. Were they wasted picks? Nope. They targeted the position and kept looking until it was filled by a good player. And they didn’t hesitate to move on if their picks were busts, and try again.
Many fans mock them for that. But if their new guy stays the starter and produces for the next 12+ years, it’s the Jags who will have the last laugh.
The Saints got lucky and were able to get Brees. They didn’t have to develop a QB. Before that, they were unable to. The Broncos were lucky the Colts moved on from Manning.
Those are uncommon opportunities. Most of the time, a team has to draft a QB and develop him. And although there have been plenty of first round busts at the quarterback position, it has had more successes than any other round as well.
Although every round has produced franchise quarterbacks at one time or another, it is the first round that had more successes.
April 25th, 2015 at 10:38 am
@MadMax
Top of the morning Brotha.
April 25th, 2015 at 10:38 am
Winston will win a Super Bowl within his first 5 years. – George Whitfield
April 25th, 2015 at 10:38 am
lmao
“Yes I’m serious Ndog as are most of the draft experts.”
you don’t like the experts for picking winston but like them for fowler?
April 25th, 2015 at 10:48 am
@LUV back at you Bro, all I can say is Ahhhhhhhh! The draft is almost here…..and Im on a 5 day weekend starting thursday when I clock out that morning. Cant wait to see what we actually do compared to what we think we’ll do.
April 25th, 2015 at 10:57 am
We tanked last game to get the number one pick in this years draft….and we want a sure thing….news flash… No pick ANYWHERE in the draft is a sure thing. We have not seen any of these prospect on an NFL field. That being said we have our best chance for a franchise QB now. I lean towards Winston but a QB with this 1st pick is an absolute MUST.
April 25th, 2015 at 11:02 am
SPBF seems scared if his own shadow. We need a QB, we have the #1 pick, a potential franchise QB is there for the taking. There is really no need for indecision.
Add to the fact that the current brand of football is Beyoncé boring with Glennon behind center. I also think the Bucs would like to sell tix. A defensive end will not sell one extra ticket.
April 25th, 2015 at 11:16 am
This draft is the Bucs once in 30 year chance to get the franchise QB the team has never had. Of course there is a risk that it won’t work out. Every draft pick has a degree of risk involved that they will not be the player that is hoped for.
You still have to roll the dice and take a shot at greatness with the #1 overall pick – and that’s exactly what the Bucs will do when they draft Jameis Winston.
5 more days till Jameis time. The Neggie Nellys can cry and whine all they want – but it isn’t going to change the pick.
April 25th, 2015 at 11:40 am
@ Pickgrin
Amen, my friend, amen….just think 128 hours and 20 minutes to the draft!
April 25th, 2015 at 12:13 pm
The Bucs need a quarterback. So it makes sense they will draft the best one available. That will probably end up being Jameis. Im cool with that because while he has made mistakes, at least there is no concrete evidence that he has substance abuse issues, like DE Randy Gregory out of Nebraska. Thank goodness Sapp never failed a drug test while a Buc. I find drug use to be way more of a red flag than stealing/getting free Crablegs or shoes.
If we dont take the gamble because we are to afraid of failure, we will fail anyway. We must have a quarterback. Jameis or even Mariota will win us more games than Dante Flowler or Shane Ray could.
April 25th, 2015 at 1:36 pm
So if Winston was picked 3rd it would be ok like bortles but because it is first overall your freaking out? Doesn’t matter where you pick in the top 5 if you think a quarterback is the best player of any player position on your board you take him. It’s stupid not to draft a guy 1st overall because he’s a quarterback, is rather that than a defensive with the first pick. GMC was picked 3rd overall he’s no damn sure fire hall of famer yet
April 25th, 2015 at 2:57 pm
His Combine throwing drills:
“Winston lived up to his billing as the most polished passer in the 2015 draft class, completing 20 of 21 passes – 21 of 22 if you count the extra rep he seemed insistent on getting shortly after his lone incompletion”
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/sports/florida-state-seminoles/chopping-block/os-jameis-winston-passing-drills-nfl-scouting-combine-20150221-post.html
April 25th, 2015 at 9:24 pm
Seem like ole Bill Polian can’t stop commenting about Buccs business. Now suggesting pass on the QB position all together. S@$! is comical. Opportunity has finally come to the Bay and folks are coming out the wood work in opposition. Seems like the jealousy gene running rampant.
April 25th, 2015 at 10:46 pm
Today, I read tha Winston’s interceptions were caused by a porous OL at FSU…..HaHaHa porous OL with 4-going to NFL. Give me a break..
April 25th, 2015 at 10:46 pm
Today, I read that Winston’s interceptions were caused by a porous OL at FSU…..HaHaHa porous OL with 4-going to NFL. Give me a break..
April 25th, 2015 at 11:01 pm
Didn’t watch many FSU games, did you?
April 26th, 2015 at 10:05 am
I agree, drafting any player is a gamble, but Infamous at number one is a DOUBLE gamble….. PASS PLEASE