Smitten With Winston

April 22nd, 2015

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A bunch of Bucs fans are willing themselves and chewing glass hoping somehow Jason Licht has a change of heart and drafts quarterback Marcus Mariota.

One reason Joe is on the Jameis Winston bandwagon? Winston looks like a pro quarterback. Then Joe started doing research, started talking to folks at Shrine Game practices, Super Bowl events, the NFL Scouting combine, and chatting with other NFL contacts. Few told Joe that Mariota was the superior man (unless one factored in the ever-popular off-field issues).

Cool cat Peter Schrager, of Fox Sports, recently ran into a standard NFL type who was confused by the hype over Mariota.

That is a lot like what Joe has heard from so many. Mariota may very well become a stud in the NFL, but based on his college gametape, it wasn’t there.

Tomorrow, Joe will bring word of what one star NFL player thinks of Mariota, and it isn’t pretty. Meanwhile, eight more days folks. Eight more days.

121 Responses to “Smitten With Winston”

  1. tgreg Says:

    And just a year ago Joe was wearing Johnny’s jock for a headband!

    Joe knows QBs!!!!!

  2. Mariota Joe Says:

    tgreg says it correctly Joe…..your memory isn’t failing, and you’re not “misremebering”….. It’s truly tiring to hear you repeatedly having to tell yourself and others about Infamous….”I think he can, I think he can, I think he can”…… He can alright…he can divide Buc nation unlike any other in the history of the Buccaneers. Hell, he ALREADY HAS. Licht/Glazers….PLEASE take a pass on this immature imbecile with a rocket arm.

  3. Barry Says:

    FSU looking into violation as Publix disputes Winston crab legs claim.

    So it appears that Winston lied not only to police but to his own coach but also to FSU. Is he lying about rape to? Not only is Winston an accused rapist, accused thief, he’s a bold faced liar.

    Trouble always follows creeps like Winston. It’s just who he is.

    #DP #HGH #PEDs #BrainDeadRetard

  4. Ray Rice Says:

    “Trusted NFL source”…. Dame Dash calls those people “Chatty Pattys”.

  5. rayjay1122 Says:

    Winston and Manziel are not even close to being similar. If we would have taken JF last year, we would be needing a QB again this year. At least we got Evans instead. Now we need to grab the QB and Winston is that guy. Yes, I agree that Joe was wrong in assessing Manziel but not Winston.

  6. Jeff Says:

    Wrong, all Joe wants is a QB that the bucs can build around. Johnny M. Is better than anything we have today, even with his nose coverd in powder.

  7. Tampabaybucfan Says:

    Circle the Wagons!!!

  8. Yeah It's me! Says:

    Barry = #BrainDeadRetard Will you disappear after Winston proves all your BS thoughts wrong? Will you go F^%k yourself? Peo0ple like you really don’t deserve to say your a fan of any team.

  9. miken Says:

    We skrong den, the pick is Jameis.

  10. INDYbucsfan Says:

    @yeah it’s me. Amen
    The idiot doesn’t even have his facts right. Ever.

  11. you can't fix it Says:

    tgreg says:


  12. Mariota Joe Says:

    Yeah It’s me!…..very classy. And very typical of the Infamous fans. Attack the other fans. Once again, a GREAT example of how Infamous has already DEEPLY divided the Buc fan base. Glazers, pay attention!!!

  13. BucFanInArkansas Says:

    The “ACCUSED OF A CRIME?” banner popping up over Winston’s pic every day is funny every time.

  14. Tilted Red Man Says:

    If I were Joe, I would be in Winstons corner, but not as a fan, but as a professional business owner.

    Joe’s a “Media Guy”, think about the next 5 years of topics Joe will have to write about. This will bring in more traffic, more $$$, better for everyone. We draft Mariota or a DE, well, not so much diva and media attentive.

    Take what I said and now see why Joe wanted to draft Johnny Football, because of all the media attention Johnny brings for his business. Pure professional decision.

  15. Clodhopper Says:

    We’re not any more divided than we were last year with Glennon. Or the year before with Freeman. Winston didn’t divide anything

  16. rayjay1122 Says:

    Everyone has an opinion and some people get angry at those who do not agree with them. That is human nature. I prefer that we pick Winston but I respect differing opinions. I get a little tired of the Winston haters who hurl venom at him and do not make arguments against him for on the field issues but that is your right. Who knows what the Bucs are going to do? Winston, Mariota, Williams, trade down or trade pick for players? Oh the drama!!!

  17. Love and Warrick Dunn Says:

    “Barry Says:
    April 22nd, 2015 at 5:14 pm

    FSU looking into violation as Publix disputes Winston crab legs claim.

    So it appears that Winston lied not only to police but to his own coach but also to FSU. Is he lying about rape to? Not only is Winston an accused rapist, accused thief, he’s a bold faced liar. ”

    1. The punishment for this violation is that they have to pay the amount back. Winston already did this, plus he was suspended games from the baseball team. If you think Jimbo didn’t know what went down, then, you sound highly gullible.

    2. It’s “bald” faced liar, not bold.

    Even more than 87 getting his jersey from Erik, I will look most forward to rubbing Jameis going #1 to TB in Barry’s face.

  18. Mariota Joe Says:

    I’m gonna revise that last statement….it’s typical of SOME Infamous fans…not all. My apologies.

  19. Mariota Joe Says:

    Clodhopper, that is ridiculous to compare the divisiveness brought on by Glennon or Freeman to Infamous…just ridiculous.

  20. Erik the WiseMMan Says:

    Are we really going to draft the most polarizing player in

  21. Clodhopper Says:

    Why is it so ridiculous? They are all quarterbacks. The fans were divided by all three of them. Ask 87 how divided the fan base was over Freeman. He made a list! It was a long, long off season fighting in all three cases. There is a lot in common in the last three off seasons.

  22. Mariota Joe Says:

    **Stunned disbelief** (or you’re being completely disingenuous)

  23. Love and Warrick Dunn Says:


    Its not about polarizing.

    It about finding who the coaches and scouts think is the best QB in the draft. Not who I think is. Not who you think is. Not what analysts think. It’s about OBP. They did the research, and if they take him, they are clearly comfortable with any questions about on or off the field.

  24. port richey george Says:

    I think it is going to be interesting on april 30th to see what the bucs do. joe you are never going to here the end of it from people that post comments for years to come if it is not winston. of course I wouldn’t do that. I didn’t do it last year when joe went all in on johnny rehab.

  25. bucrightoff Says:

    Not taking a QB this year just starts Hackenberg Watch 2016 or Fail for Cardale 2016. Joe knows what drives page clicks, and it’s not insightful, well rounded analysis.

  26. Erik the WiseMMan Says:

    Are we really going to draft the most polarizing player in all of sports? Doesn’t seem like the Glazer or Lovie way to me. Doesn’t seem like a wise business decision either. Especially, when he looks like a barely-above-average QB prospects on the field.

  27. JW5alltheway Says:

    @Mariota Joe… Not sure if u realize this but if the Mariota Mob were to slide off the face of the earth and never show up to Ray Jay again, a new faction of fans would just fill the void. After the bucs draft JW and start winning most of the mob will hop back on the bandwagon. So fractured fans base be damned, ray jay will be packed once we start winning. PS – to all of the fans who want to boo hoo about, GOOD RIDDANCE

  28. Brian D. Says:


    If you knew ANYTHING about the alleged rape case, you would know that it is his accuser that is a PROVEN liar. But you don’t know anything…because you’re a close minded, biased blabbermouth.

  29. MAYNE ONE Says:


  30. Bill Says:


    Watch the TMZ video of Jameis in Publix. It’s a little over 1 minute long and it follows him from the time he entered the store to the time he left. What’s amazing is that he walks right past a small line of customers at the seafood section, is handed a bag, and leaves. Conspicuously, the process of placing an order is completely missing. The logical conclusion is that this event was organized in advance.

    Publix claims they asked their employees about it, and incredibly, no one admitted involvement. Should that surprise anyone?

  31. Jbeachbuc Says:

    Yes “Joe” knows what drives this site… Maybe thats why it is by far the best BUCS site we could hope to find… Its why we all keep coming for the latest posts on our Bucs.

  32. Underdog Says:

    For every coach/GM, draft expert or guru, etc. that you find that favors Winston you will find one that prefers Mariota. And for every one that prefers Mariota you can find one that likes Winston
    For me, I’ll stick with the ones that I trust because of their experience. Chris Landry, Bill Polian, Jon Gruden, Mike Mayock, Jeff Fisher, Tony Dungy, all of whom prefer Mariota. Guys that know the NFL because of being involved in it, not just some website talking head or writer

  33. Tom Edrington Says:

    Mmmmmmmm……I’m sure JJ Watt can’t wait….

  34. JW5alltheway Says:

    Im sorry @underdog but ur list is underwhelming to say the least. And if u tallied up a last of ex NFL scouts / NFL coaches & Players, Mariota would get stomped by the list of people who prefer JW. Its not even close. Go watch some more highlight films of Mariota running around making college PAC12 sorry butt defenders look silly

  35. Love and Warrick Dunn Says:

    “Underdog Says:
    April 22nd, 2015 at 6:28 pm

    For every coach/GM, draft expert or guru, etc. that you find that favors Winston you will find one that prefers Mariota.”

    Is that a documented statistic? Or did you just decide upon it yourself?

  36. TheWatcher Says:

    Winston is possibly the most Polarizing player to EVER enter the NFL draft, and he has nobody but himself to blame for that. Why in the world would any owner, GM, or head coach want that on their roster? People that think that his questionable behavior will stop as he gets older are very naive. He will always be a distraction to his team and a possible embarassment. The team that he plays for will always have a divided fan base and he will always consider himself bigger than his team or league. His enormous ego will hurt him and his team on and off of the field and he will never live up to expectations. He will find that playing QB in the NFL is much more difficult than playing in the ACC and will implode under his own failures. I give him 3-5 years in the league maximum

  37. Jbeachbuc Says:

    @ Bill

    Yes, what you refer to about the video, struck me immediately as I viewed the incident at Publix….

    Such an obvious planned transaction 😉

  38. charactermatters Says:

    Brian D,
    Sorry, but absolutely no one is a proven liar in the JW rape case. In fact the quote is both sides were “equally credible”

  39. Eric Says:

    The bucs have known about the crab legs thing for 100 years.


    Pretty sure Brooks got free stuff. And just about every other player.

    I had a Buddy that worked at USF Golf Course. I never paid for a round.

    Get a grip. You folks are psychopathic.

  40. gotbbucs Says:

    Im being absolutely honest here and not trying to rile anyone up, but I do not believe that Mariota is even a top 15 player in this draft. This is just my opinion.

    Could he get drafted in the first 15 picks, sure, but QB’s get over drafted almost every year. The only reason why I think he has a chance to get drafted somewhere around pick 10 is because Chip Kellyis an idiot and could trade up and the Cleveland Browns are probably stupid enough to use 1st round picks in consecutive years on a QB. If neither of those teams decide to take him the slide could be on.

    I’m sure someone will have a snotty remark in response and I cant wait to see who throws it out, but if you’re going to do it put some thought behind why a spread-option QB is suddenly going to buck the trend for all the failures that came before him and succeed.

    The NFL will chew him up and spit him out.

  41. Joestheman Says:

    You Mariota backers are horrible. Please go away. You do not have to read these posts! Most importantly, keep your negative views to yourself. It’s all about getting our Bucs to become great. I see that Winston is for sure the best bet at getting us to greatness. Joe, keep it up because I love the positive posts on Winston. It’s great to see, so thank you so much. As a reader of this site for 6 years, I don’t post much, but it’s really to the point where I’d rather see the comments sections removed when you post Winston stuff. It’s obvious these guys troll around Bucs sites looking to cry because it’s not going they’re way. Thanks for not letting these guys take over the site.

  42. Underdog Says:


    Sorry, but if you go back a little while when Joe posted a list of JW and MM supporters you will see that more coaches, GM’s and scouts favored Mariota over Winston. And now with Mariota impressing at his private workouts and folks seeing that he is more NFL ready than people thought I’m sure the gap is now wider

  43. Commonsense Says:

    Folks can sit here all day and all night banging out their love or hate for Mariota and Winston, but in the long and short of it, it doesn’t mean squat. The only opinions that matter are the ones in OBP. It may be kind of fun voicing our opinions here and debating other folks but the only thing constructive happening here is we are all making the Joes a lot of money.
    If anybody can figure out a way to make the Bucs telepathically chose their favorite, then let me know. Otherwise, it doesn’t mean squat. So everybody be nice

  44. MarshallU Says:

    The word just recieved from the Combine in Indy is that Jameis Winston has just finished the 40 yard dash

  45. Love and Warrick Dunn Says:

    “charactermatters Says:
    April 22nd, 2015 at 6:53 pm

    Brian D,
    Sorry, but absolutely no one is a proven liar in the JW rape case”

    First she told her friends she was hit in head at a party, and woke up to being raped. The hospital showed no sign of any head injury at all.

    She said she was drugged or drunk. Then at the COC hearing she denied she said that. Then in the Hunting Ground, she claims being drugged. The FDLE and UF lab both nothing, 172 drugs or metabolites.

    She indicated she had not had sex in the recent past during her SANE test at the hospital. They found a second set of DNA on her shorts. She refused to identify the DNA. The owner of the DNA, her Ohio college fb playing BF also refused to cooperate in his GFs rape investigation without threat of subpoena. Weird, right?

    She said she felt coerced to leave Potbellies with Jameis and friends. Her own friends testimony is that she was asked by Erica asking if she should leave with him. Her friend said yes and she left.

    First she said a short dreaded guy gave her an unknown shot, then it was a caucasian guy, now it’s 6’4″ Jameis. Oh yeah, initially her attacker was 5’9″ 240.

    There’s even more. And this is all documented. Maybe you call it “misremembering repeatedly”. I call it lying.

  46. Warthog Says:

    I don’t get the Mariota love. What’s the difference between Mariota and Dennis Dixon? When I watch the tape they look like the same guy.

    If that’s the kinda guy you want, Dixon is available a lot cheaper than using the #1 pick.

  47. you can't fix it Says:

    Brian D. say;

    Well Brian, If you know so much about the case why don’t you tell us what happen smart A$$. And if that was your daughter you would me singing a different tune, So don’t act like you know what when on between Winston and the lady , That right a lady. And all the things that Winston had piled up against him I believe the woman wasn’t wrong …….

  48. StPeteBucsFan Says:

    a GREAT example of how Infamous has already DEEPLY divided the Buc fan base.

    Actually JM it’s not just the fan base. Fameis is the the face on the cover of ESPN the Mag’s draft issue out this week. They profiled him.

    The caption under his pic says “This year’s most polarizing player”.

    He will be that throughout the rest of his career. He taunts opposing fans and has a “swagger” that some here love that others find arrogant and show boating.

    Whatever we’ll all have to hope he is the winner and the next Tom Brady that the Winstonites promise to offset all the undesirable features of his “polarizing” personality.

    This polarization btw is not simply because of rape allegations. Showboating has always drawn boos and jeers except for the team that is playing the showboat…as long as the showboat wins. If Fameis struggles or tosses ints like he did in college then we’re in for a long long bitter divisive battle on this board and elsewhere.

    Let’s hope his play is as productive as his mouth. As Buc fans we must cheer for him if he’s our pick.

  49. Love and Warrick Dunn Says:

    you can’t fix it Says:
    April 22nd, 2015 at 7:27 pm

    Brian D. say;

    And if that was your daughter you would me singing a different tune,”

    And if that was your son being falsely accused, you would be glad to know evidence like toxicology tests, witnesses and other evidence is examined first, instead of the old days of just stringing people up on a rope after a simple accusation and nothing else.

  50. Keepitreal Says:

    I hope all the haters don’t follow the games, however we all know that they will be incognito with their Winston jerseys… Pathetic!!

  51. Bill Says:

    How does JW “showboat”?

    Does he pretend to put on a heavweight belt after throwing a TD, or strip off his jersey in Clark Kent fashion? Is he throwing dollar signs to the crown after a 1st down?

    Damn, his heisman acceptance speech specifically removed credit from himself and directed it at FSU, more than once. The third person reference was a little weird.

    Some of you guys are clearly applying generalizations in a poor fashion.

  52. MarshallU Says:

    St. Pete

    It’s just not his mouth, but his actions and established pattern of questionable and controversial behavior. He put on the aire of knowing that he can do anything he wants and get away with it, and so far that has been the case.
    My fear is that the Jameis we all saw at the end of the Rose Bowl is the real Jameis, throwing temper tantrums, screaming at coaches and players and acting like a 6 year old. Or the one we saw early in the game getting totally discombobulated when he was totally confused by Oregon’s coverage schemes. The Winston PR machine has been working in high gear to make everybody think that he is the second coming of Mr. Rogers, but he is who he is and a person’s true character always will eventually come out. And if it comes out after the Bucs draft him then it will be too late and then they will be stuck with it, good or bad

  53. charactermatters Says:

    Love and WD,
    stick to the facts and not hearsay: what she said to her friends, etc.
    if I ask u to describe the events of a night of drinking repeatedly, there will be inconsistencies in your story each time it’s told. I bet if I asked you to describe someone you never met before that night if drinking you would guess their height and weight wrong too. If you felt like you had been drugged and tox screens showed u hadn’t that doesn’t mean you lied, just that you’re wrong. If you try think the reason for your hang over headache is that someone must have hit you in the head, you may be wrong, but that doesn’t mean you’re a liar. And as far as BAC goes, that means very little. Two people could have the exact same BAC and one of them could appear sober while the other looks stumbling drunk. Remember EK is the only one who had to give her story repeatedly allowing for the possibility of inconsistencies. It’s hard to be inconsistent when you only tell your story once. I’m not saying I believe her, just that nothing at all has been proven either way (except that TPD screwed up the investigation). Jameis is innocent. I will believe that until it’s proven otherwise, but in no way was anyone PROVEN to be a liar.

  54. CLW JB Says:

    The greatest debate in Buc history….so hard to decide, to sort through all the articles, statements etc….doesn’t the where the smoke there’s fire thought ever come to mind….all the issues just point to behavioral based problems, a lack of emotional and behavior control….taking free stuff when you know u shouldn’t, acting like an ass in public, the issues with a couple girls…individually they may all be innocent but is the collective weight not a troubling indicator of future behavior?

  55. ATrain Says:

    Did I see Jeff say Johnny Football would be better than what we have…..

    Haha some of you don’t even watch football.

    I have seen some Dumb comments but that takes the cake.

    Glennon put in his position of being back up and thrown into the game after the star from Chicago sucks..He plays with no OLine and a QB coach calling plays…

    Give credit where credit is due…

  56. StPeteBucsFan Says:


    The pick that shows up here most frequently is him shushing the fans. I think 87 told me that was the Miami game a bitter rivalry.

    If you read about his upbringing in the various profiles when he was a little leaguer his father had to repeatedly chastise him for running in front of the other kids to make the play.

    87 finds him a kindred spirit because 87 self ID’s as a show off when he was younger.

    That’s our biggest hope. That Fameis has just been immature when he’s done all of this jumping on tables to scream the internet meme…that was showing off…Fameis himself has said that’s why he did it.

  57. Keepitreal Says:

    Stpete…. Everyone will forget after half a season… Get real! You guys including Barry, Robert, subparsam, Eric, can be the moral police looking for your tampa bay Angels to not attend your circle jerk, and While your busy being hall monitors I’ll be enjoy watching our Bucs winning games… Have fun guys! What a joke.

  58. MarshallU Says:

    Can’t play or contribute if you are suspended. Ask Greg Hardy

  59. Keepitreal Says:

    Add Marshall to that list above.

  60. ATrain Says:

    Y’all kill me with the moral police..The don’t care as long as he can play football junk..

    Number one they represent your Team please have respect for this team..Second and most important if he us suspended or arrested he doesn’t play. Well maybe Winston is so good he can score without being on the field..

    Look at big picture..

  61. Love and Warrick Dunn Says:

    @character matters

    I’m not supposed to mention the testimony of her friends who were not intoxicated and have never wavered in their story? She said she felt pressured to leave with 3 guys but her own friend said she asked if she should go.

    In what way exactly can you be proven to be a liar? It sounds like you have a very specific and narrow definition? We may differ on that.

    And, what do you call her telling the police and SAO investigator she was drugged. Then, at the COC hearing, explicitly implying that she had not claimed to be drugged to that same investigator. And, then reversing course again, and claiming she was drugged in the documentary? What exactly would you categorize that as?

  62. Keepitreal Says:

    Attain…. Bucs have done a ton of research into him, and have gotten mor information than we will ever be aware of. So when they pick him I will have little concern. Relax and enjoy….

  63. Keepitreal Says:

    Stpete….. I have respect for our team… Don’t expect to see them at church though.

  64. StPeteBucsFan Says:

    You young dudes need to understand a lot of this is generational. OK let’s stipulate that Fameis is not guilty of rape nor has he been charged. Let’s admit that some, IMO the minority are allowing their racism to cloud their judgement.

    But IMHO a HUGE component of the dislike for Fameis is generational! Perhaps a story will illustrate. Bob Trumpy who was a great TE for the Bengals Perhaps some of you younger dudes remember him as a broadcaster.

    He played for the Bengals from the late 60’s to the mid 70’s. In his rookie year Paul Brown was still alive and coaching the Bengals..a team that Brown founded.

    Trumpy scored a TD and spiked the football. That custom was just getting stared. According to Trumpy Brown walked over to Trumpy on the sidelines and quietly but emphatically said, “The next time you score act like you’ve been there before!”

    My take on trash talking is this. Many times it’s actually a sign of weakness, a player trying to pump himself up and make HIMSELF believe he’s great.

    Sometimes it’s totally stupid as in a player standing over another player he’s just creamed with a great hit, signifying, while his team is trailing by 3 TD’s late in the 4th. Spare me please.

    Sometimes it’s just having fun. All of us have played in pickup games with trash talking and smiling and just having fun.

    Hopefully Fameis falls into that last category. I certainly do not believe he “needs” to showboat or brag to pump himself up. I think he truly believes in his talent and why not. He’s always been the greatest athlete in all of his settings. It’ll be fun to see him go against NFL defenses and not ACC defenses or one of those Pac 12 defenses people here seem to love to deride.
    That didn’t work out so well for Fameis.

    In my fantasies Fameis grows up, gets some maturity and adds some class to his personality as well. If he does all of it in the spirit of just funnin’ people I’m down with that.

  65. Keepitreal Says:

    If the NFL has to live up to some of your moral standards.. You will be left with Tim Tebow. I know you can get your church to start the knitting Bowl.

  66. BucFanInNY Says:

    This is so not going to end well. We’ll get a couple of years of interesting stories and inconsistent football play from Mr. Winston. Excuses will be made ranging from “he never had an offensive line”, “no strong running back play”, and “he was just trying to do too much”. Once Lovie is fired after year 3 we’ll hear about a new system, offensive coordinator, qb coach, etc. Bottom line, there is nothing this kid shows me that makes me believe he’ll be handle the pressures of the nfl, and the tough transition that all rookie qbs face. He’s not super accurate, he won’t move well against an NFL rush, and those underneath LBs in coverage will sneak up on him. I’ll root for him because I’m a diehard Bucs fan, and I pray that I’m wrong, but I just don’t see success for him at this level.

  67. ATrain Says:

    I’m sure the Browns did a ton of research too.

    All NFL team investigate their top picks..And what happens …Some still fall.

    This is exactly what I keep saying. BLIND FOLLOWING

    If you have no concern about this pick you are Blind or Dumb.
    Will he fail..I don’t know..I hope not cause I’m a Bucs fan not a Winston fan.

    Do I have concern if they take Mariota absolutely…

    Winston has more than off field concerns. He has on field things he needs to work on too.. For Bucs sake I hope he is great but I have a bad feeling on him…Too much Drama around him, Too much Ego, and field problems you can work with in college but NFL different game.

  68. Keepitreal Says:

    Stpete…. Good novel.

  69. StPeteBucsFan Says:


    I do not go to church. I’m a 67 year old dude who still occasionally fires up a bowl. I’m hardly a prude.

    Fameis is off to a bad start but he hasn’t done anything that will prevent him from redeeming himself with a heavy dose of growing up.

    But you play the church or choirboy card which I consider hyperbole. I will play the cabbie punching players, or the guys who trash a house so badly and disturb their entire neighborhood with their rude thoughtless behavior, or the Jerramy Stevens losers as embarrassments.

    There are plenty of players with class and poise. One of the most delightful parts of our SB team was how they represented. Sapp aside, and he was certainly no criminal just a jerk to Buc fans…most of that team would fit your definition of choirboys by the time they played in the NFL regardless of any youthful indiscretions.

    DB55 was and is totally classy. Warrick Dunn with his program of giving homes to single moms…Mike Alstott coaching at a small high school…Ronde..Lynch..were all great faces of our franchise.

    Don’t get me wrong. If we give Fameis his presumption of innocence in the rape case…the rest of his actions were simply those of an entitled showoff who had yet to grow up. He “can” grow past those actions.

    Aquib Talib and his ilk are cancers to the league and the teams they rep. I don’t care what skill level Talib brings.

  70. grafikdetail Says:

    if Winston is as bad as some complain about on here then you whiners are Al Capone & Tupac rolled into one

  71. Keepitreal Says:

    Atrain…I have no more concern for him than any other player. Don’t believe rape accusation and other issues are silly and overblown by media. I like the ego and swagger..he is confident and will lead this team. We have never had a true franchise QB…. It’s time.

  72. Love and Warrick Dunn Says:


    Your thoughts on young Mohammed Ali? Bravado is not my cup of tea in an personal sense, but, it’s hardly incongruent with many of the greatest.

    Jordan? And let’s not pretend these guys weren’t the same way in youth, as adults.

  73. Keepitreal Says:

    Stpete… I agree with Talib… But I have to be honest if you really think the majority of players are like brooks an lynch your kidding yourself. All shades of grey.

  74. Keepitreal Says:

    @love… Good point.

  75. Florida Hillbilly Says:


  76. Nole on Sat.-Bucc on Sun. Says:

    Kinda peculiar to me,Hardy gets 10 games and hardly any mention of his actions and the fact that many on this site wanted him in the Bay(me included)but many of the same folks continue to whine about something that will be reality for them here shortly. WINSton number 1 overall. Damn I love it. Love and Warrick Dunn Whus up homie. Take it easy on these folks you know they ain’t ready for you.

  77. ATrain Says:

    Yes Mr Real all the great ones have a huge Ego.


    Newton aka Superman. ..that must be your idea of great

    I’m more in the Manning, Rodgers, Now that’s greatness without an over sized head..

  78. MarshallU Says:

  79. StPeteBucsFan Says:

    L W&D

    When Joe put up his Ali comparison I was quick to point out that Ali was having fun in the beginning. By the end I suspect he was just selling tickets. Obviously Apollo Creed was based on Ali’s perceived behavior and I agree with Stallone’s take.

    Tom Ederington is a former journalist who was in Miami when Ali was still Clay. He pointed out that Ali was actually a quiet thoughtful person away from the media.

    One of Ali’s influences according to Ali himself was the wrestler “Gorgeous George”. GG was famous in the 50’s and I was just a little tyke then. I had heard of him but never really followed pro wrestling.

    And so do we believe WWE “performers” are really trash talking or putting on a show. Ali was putting on a show and having fun.

    I once covered East Tennessee State basketball. They had a 6-4 player who was the state high jump champ….he could fly. One game he goes down the lane and soars over a 7 footer for an amazing slam. His reaction mirrored that of all the fans…stunned amazement at his gift. It wasn’t in your face to the 7 footer…it was damn…I can’t even believe I was just able to do that.

    I hope Fameis can come around to realizing he’s been incredibly blessed and again to those who are given a lot a lot is expected. I support him enjoying his own talent as much as the fans who watch him enjoy it. I don’t support it however if he thinks it makes him better than other people in anything but sports or if it makes him feel entitled.

    He’s saying all the right things the past month. I’m hopeful it’s not just to cement his #1 pick next week. I’ve heard him say he’s sad that so many people consider him a sociopath and he’s sorry for contributing to that impression. Good on him. Let’s hope he continues that growth pattern.

  80. Keepitreal Says:

    Keep hating guys…goodnight

  81. Luther Says:

    @MarshallU I don’t really care what Publix says. When I first heard the story, I knew it was a hookup. Anyone can watch the video and see that that was the case. No amount of PR on their part will change what I saw. I myself love the crab legs at Publix…I plan to order some on draft day.

  82. WS99 Says:

    not only is it generational but it’s cultural. Not too many kids from the slums can get rich and famous and remain humble. Especially when they are at the top of their profession. Understand that in many cases these kids have been told that they’ll never amount to anything and as they look around their surroundings it’s hard to believe otherwise.

    Idk I think you have to walk a mile in people’s shoes before you judge them for who they are. Winston said growing up “they” wanted Michael Vick type qbs which he wasn’t so he showed them that he can win even though he wasnt a typical dare I say black qb. He reminds me of warren moon and the trails and tribulations he went through. Same as Ali, persecuted to the end because of who they are, where they come from and what they sound like.

    Who was the last qb to go 28-1 in college? Alex Smith Miami?

  83. Love and Warrick Dunn Says:

    St. Pete. I knew you were a little closer in age than I, and would have some good insight on Ali. Thanks.

    To be fair, all we know of Winston is in, and of, the media. Maybe he’s like that with everyone. Maybe he isn’t. His teammates love him.

    I think some, maybe even you, will find him having moments where he’s actually quite likable when he starts doing pressers. He has always shared praise with his teammates.

  84. WS99 Says:

    In the article from thebaycave it goes in depth about the entire rape allegation and what I found most interesting is that according to the article EK never pressed charges therefore the officer closed the case due to insufficient cooperation from the accuser.

    Then in the story they discussed a separate incident that happened where a girl was raped, she had bruises around her neck from being choked and she never wanted to talk about the situation. The two stories are vastly different and I found it interesting comparing the two cases how the family and victims reacted so differently.

  85. Buc1987 Says:

    Dripping with charisma, oozing leadership skills, and a rifle of an arm. Yes they will grow to love you Jameis. Not like you. Love you….

    Erik in 7 days that jersey is MINE. I’ll wear it every day for a week, possibly sleep with it on.

    I think I’ve changed my mind on the creamsicle though. You can get me a white away jersey men’s XL. I trust you to not disappear from the site and skip out on our bet. I’ve known Jameis was the pick before the season ended.

    Some of you will be on the edge of your seat with suspense, while I’ll just be chilling with a drink in my hand at Pete & Shorty’s with my FSU Winston jersey on thinking back to the time I called my wife into my Buc Cave. I said “honey you’ve got to get in here and watch this kid for a few minutes”. After she wowed in awe for a few minutes, I turned to her and said : “Forget college this kid is ready for the pros right now.”

    This kid is going to be a Buc? OMGawd pinch me I must be dreaming, but I know it’s real and it’s going to happen. I might just have my wife dump a bucket of Gatorade over my head after the pick is in. Because it’s been a looong 3 months of battling in here. Not anywhere near the battles we had over Freeman though and that’s a fact!

  86. WS99 Says:


    I’m telling you the joes owe you a press pass.

  87. Buc1987 Says:

    WS99….Winston is not humble, but don’t think for a second that he doesn’t have a chip on his shoulder. The kid feeds off of all the negativity thrown his way. I just hope he can keep it going once the negativity dies down a bit.

  88. MarshallU Says:

    I saw a picture earlier of an ostrich wearing an FSU Winston jersey and he had his head in the sand. And I was like yep, your typical Winston supporter, every day now proving that point

  89. Buc1987 Says:

    WS99…lol they owe me something…

  90. D-WOOD Says:

    @ StPete
    I have been reading your “articles” for a while now. I don’t come t on this or any other site mainly because I’m not the word smith that some profess to be.
    I do like the fact that you seem to at least have the ability to question yourself from time to time but I don’t get how you can consider someone like Jim Brown a personal hero yet have a problem with Winstons cockiness or arogense or what ever you want to call it.
    I’ve been a buccaneer fan since the beginning. I will always be a buc fan no matter who we have at QB.
    I am not one of the “young guys” as you put it but I do like confident people.
    I have spent a lot of time around so called ameture athletes & believe it or not what Winston has done is the norm not the exception. Does he think he is intitled? Absolutely! But so does 95% of every other collage athlete in this country. Do we demonsie the majority? No we don’t & the reason is simple they were never on top of the pyramid like Winston was.
    I wish all of our athletes were Tim Tebow with the way they handle themselves unfortunately the vast majority are not. most are somewhere in between Jim Brown ( who has been accused of the same thing Winston was & convicted on two assalt charges) & Jameis Winston who has done the things that many other “entitled” athletes do on a daily basis.

  91. Buc1987 Says:

    Ain’t nothin’ gonna to break my stride
    Nobody’s gonna slow me down, oh-no
    I got to keep on movin’
    Ain’t nothin’ gonna break my stride
    I’m running and I won’t touch ground
    Oh-no, I got to keep on movin’

  92. WS99 Says:


    My sentiments exactly.

  93. Buc1987 Says:

    D-WOOD Says:
    April 22nd, 2015 at 10:07 pm

    “@ StPete
    I have been reading your “articles” for a while now.”

    LOL some could say short stories…

  94. WS99 Says:

    Lol true story.

  95. WS99 Says:

    Guess what? Tomorrow we get to do this all over again. Whoop whoop.

  96. chickster Says:

    Joe would take Winston even at the chance he’s a rapist we will here about these allegations all year with this lawsuit and that’s the face you want for the bucs moving forward football means that much to you if he was a regular student he would be in prison and you would be his women

  97. PocketPirates Says:

    Lol let’s add chickster to the troll list.

    As mentioned on here before, Google Jameis Winston Chapter 3 and read the first article. Keep in mind EK was still praising the Noles and JW on Twitter after this supposedly happened. She then went in and deleted all her tweets.

  98. PocketPirates Says:

    Hopefully we hear the end of these allegations after Winston wins the Civil suit too in like 47 seconds.

  99. charactermatters Says:

    Love n WD,
    bottom line is a majority of the things you’re classifying as lies truelly are not. A few may be lies. But I am applying the same criteria to her as to Jameis. PROVEN means in a court of law, not the court of public opinion. If she were a proven liar she would have had charges brought up against her. I can say you are a liar. I can say I am a liar. I can say Jameis is a liar. Most likely all of those statements are true as none of us have told the absolute truth about everything in our lives. So since I have lied before, does that mean nothing I ever say can be believed? Now a pathological liar is a completely different thing and that is what you are insinuating has been proven about EK and that is just not the case. The most important question is: did she lie about being raped? MAYBE, MAYBE NOT. We don’t know because nothing has been proven either way. That is why I am neutral on that issue. I will not attack JW on that matter because I don’t know and neither do you. I will not attack EK on this matter because I don’t know and NEITHER DO YOU.

  100. Buc1987 Says:

    Then stop EFFING talking about it then….

  101. charactermatters Says:

    Every time someone states something you don’t believe is true, you try to set them straight. I did not bring up the subject, just responded just as you would if I started throwing out something crazy about Winston that you didn’t believe was true. I’m pretty sure if I started throwing out as fact that JW was shaving points you would respond (I don’t believe that btw).

  102. Buc1987 Says:

    charactermatters…I’m not just talking about you, I mean everyone supporters, snobs, holier than thou’s, haters, trade down crowd, Mariota lover boys etc. etc.

    It’s been talked about for 3 months on this site….

    Cue the fans that say 87 it will never go away…well YES it will.

  103. bucs4lyfe Says:

    Chip Kelly isn’t our coach so for our pro style offense Winston is better. Lol keep on talking about mariota’s 40 time while we discuss making nfl throws Winston makes. Glennon is mariota without the speed it’ll be a wasted pick

  104. Buc1987 Says:

    And nope I don’t talk about or fight back nearly half as much as I used to with people when they spit venom at Winston. I’m exhausted from it all. I’ve been doing it for 3 months now.

    It really is the same old tired rhetoric, we were talking about 3 months ago…

    Yes THREE months ago. It’s a neverending merry go round….with nothing NEW being said.

  105. Buc1987 Says:

    Hell Winston owes me at the very least an autograph. Just kidding, the kid owes me nothing.

    Wins will do just fine.

  106. Tiny Tim Says:

    StPeteBucsFan Says:
    April 22nd, 2015 at 7:35 pm

    Showboating has always drawn boos and jeers except for the team that is playing the showboat…as long as the showboat wins.

    Stpetebuc also says:

    If you read about his upbringing in the various profiles when he was a little leaguer his father had to repeatedly chastise him for running in front of the other kids to make the play.


    Showboat? You mean like the discount double check? Thats what I thought. Please show me where winston showboats on the field. Always praise his teammates. Oh, and to judge a person or a player based on not playing the game the proper way when he/she was a little leaguer is idiotic. Are you telling me you were never in the wrong when you were 7 or 8 years old? You sir are clueless. Be happy he had a father who took the time to show him the proper way to play and to depend on his teammates. That means he learns. Thats why his teammates love him!! Stpetebuc, your name aint Jesus…Thats not a throne you are sitting on, its a toilet. Don’t forget to wipe hater

  107. port richey george Says:

    If everybody wants Mariota,” Mel Kiper Jr. said, “why wouldn’t Tampa Bay consider him?”

    I think mel is right.

    why wouldn’t the bucs want mariota?

  108. Buc1987 Says:

    Ya see…I don’t need to attack anymore.

    I’ve got Love and Dunn to do it for me, and Tiny Tim as well as a few others.

    I’m on cruise control now.

  109. Buc1987 Says:

    Poor George.

    George I live in Port Richey too. I’ll buy you a six pack after the draft so you can deal with the outcome. 🙂

  110. Buccos Says:

    I was at the National Championship game in Dallas and Mariota was the best player on the field. Ohio State was the much better TEAM but he was the best player. I like his TD to INT ratio the best, though. He is an amazing athlete and I can only imagine his QB scrambles in the NFL. If he can stay injury free he could redefine the position. And finally he beat Winston in the Rose Bowl. What better indication of their future success could there be?

  111. Buc1987 Says:

    Buccos…I’m feel sorry for you that you keep hanging onto this Mariota notion man, but it’s not going to happen.

    You can come in here and keep telling us about how much better Mariota is, but he WON’T be drafted by our team.

    When he’s sitting on the bench next year for the Jets. Come back and tell us how much better he is than Winston.

  112. Connor Says:

    This honestly is not a good year to be drafting a quarterback. Mariota and Winston are both HUGE risks with the #1 pick.

  113. Buccos Says:

    There is going to be a head to head matchup in week 1 and we are going to see who is the best QB. I know I’m not going to change your mind before then but we do get to find out who was the best pick immediately. I just hope that he is playing for our team.

  114. Yungry Says:

    #620 says 52% favor Marcus like all National polls… Its not as far apart as the delusional make it seem

  115. P'cola Buc Says:

    @ Connor
    “Not a good year for drafting a QB”

    We finally have a chance to draft a quarterback with the number #1 pick… After living for years without a franchise QB neither of these two highly gifted quarterbacks are good enough for you. Well let me enlighten you buddy, it may be years again before we are in the position to choose from the best QBs in the nation. Years of drought without a leader at the position and you choose to pass the opportunity up…implying “maybe next year”? There are no guarantees at any position in the draft. Man up, roll the dice…we need to draft one of these two prospects. This may be our best opportunity to get a franchise QB for years…..just do it!!! (smh)

  116. tval Says:

    1 quarter in the rose bowl vs mariota even. That pains the milquetoast crew to no end. 🙂

  117. Nole on Sat.-Bucc on Sun. Says:

    Bucco you say you were at the national championship game and came away from it with the mindset that marita was the best player on the field, one word wow. Can I respectfully ask how many alcoholic beverages had you consumed? I know you’ll say 0 and claim to have never taken a drink in your life. I get it. But I wasn’t in Dallas on that night but what I observed from the confines of my home was a kid that appeared frail and somewhat overwhelmed by what proved to the closet thing to an nfl type defence that he had seen last season. Never mind the performance of the buckeyes running and 3rd string QB.

  118. bucs4lyfe Says:

    Yungry Says:

    April 23rd, 2015 at 12:02 am
    #620 says 52% favor Marcus like all National polls… Its not as far apart as the delusional make it seem
    a fan poll really?

  119. StPeteBucsFan Says:

    @Tiny Tim

    Stpetebuc, your name aint Jesus…Thats not a throne you are sitting on, its a toilet. Don’t forget to wipe hater

    LMAO. I love a good reaction. You take something you disagree with, you ignore any of the good stuff I’ve posted about Fameis apparently growing up over the past two months and you come to that conclusion.

    Again…LMAO. I’m totally chastised by such witty and clever retorts.

  120. Tiny Tim Says:

    StPeteBucsFan Says:
    April 23rd, 2015 at 9:09 am

    LMAO. I love a good reaction. You take something you disagree with, you ignore any of the good stuff I’ve posted about Fameis apparently growing up over the past two months and you come to that conclusion.


    Good stuff? I am sorry I did not read your trilogy novels you posted. The post of yours that I read were the shorter ones and you included that garbage I responded to. There was no “good stuff” in those post. You are too funny talking out both sides of your mouth. You state you are ok with Jameis yet in still you take bigger stabs at him than any Jameis basher on this board. You are not fooling anyone.

  121. Buccos Says:

    @nole on sat bucc. On Sunday- you are right about Ohio States running back. He had the best game. If Mariota had all of his weapons though, the Buckeyes would have been in trouble. Oregon was missing their best wide receiver, their top tight end. Their top cornerback was out. And they still came back. He had no running game. He was better than Cardale Jones, though. Anyway, I hadn’t been drinking and he is going to be a great pro.