Jameis Watch: Mayock Picks The Duck

April 9th, 2015

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Crab-legs-stealing, BB-gun-shooting, obscenity-hollering, Heisman-Trophy-winning, former national champion Jameis Winston, the pride of Florida State University, continues to look like a much better quarterback prospect than Mike Glennon.

It’s Joe’s daily nugget on the Jameis Watch, celebrating the best quarterback ever to wear No. 5 in the state of Florida.

Joe found this a little amusing: Yesterday, NFL draft guru Mike Mayock reshuffled his top-quarterback rankings. Instead of having Florida State quarterback Jameis Winston as his top signalcaller, Mayock demoted the prospective Buccaneer and, instead, made spread-option Oregon quarterback Marcus Mariota his No. 1.

The reaction by Bucs fans was horror.

Mayock explained his decision on NFL Network, first noting teams don’t listen his advice. But Mayock’s rationale was not shocking. From the start of draft season, Mayock has been very down on Winston’s off-field issues. He also doesn’t like Winston’s picks. That’s fair. Nothing unreasonable.

“I’ve been fighting with this thing all along,” Mayock said. “There have been two issues for me with Winston. Number one is on the field. He threw 18 interceptions this year. On a team that arguably had the best talent in the country, he continued to put his team at a disadvantage almost weekly,” Mayock said on NFL Network’s “Path to the Draft” Wednesday. ” … Off the field, regardless of what did or didn’t happen in that alleged rape, he continued a pattern of poor decisions throughout his career. The bottom line for me is, can you trust him off the field?”

Perhaps more than any other analyst, Mayock is a stickler for personal behavior when it comes to quarterbacks. Thus, Mayock demoted Winston after much thought.

“There’s nobody in their right mind who cares what I think,” Mayock added. “This is all about (Bucs general manager) Jason Licht and (head coach) Lovie Smith. I think there’s every indication that (Winston) will go No. 1,” Mayock said. “The bigger question is what happens with Tennessee at No. 2. Will they try to trade that pick and move down or will they pick (Mariota) or Leonard Williams? That’s really where the suspense will start.”

Note that this is not a mock draft. Mayock does not do his mock draft until a day or two prior to the draft, which is three long weeks away.

75 Responses to “Jameis Watch: Mayock Picks The Duck”

  1. Bucco bruce Says:

    Hopefully common sense prevails with the bucs and they pass on crab legs…one huge note on mayocks take….FSU had most talented team past two years and Winston continually put the team behind with picks….do we want another testaverde nightmare….

  2. louden Says:

    wow shoking:
    the 2nd best QB, whos an totally average QB, gets exposed as exactly that (while Mayock didn´t go that far: to declare him average).

    And Bucs, with their great history of drafting, are still expected to pass over the real talented guys.

    And a judge in Florida doesn´t want to investigate about one hell of a rape/child prostiution case, in which one guy already turned out to be guilty, but the Royal guy from England (prince Andrew) shouldn´t get a deeper look..

    welcome to america – especially Florida
    (Hail Jameis)

  3. Mord Says:

    I’m willing to go along to the ride on either QB, but …

    … I also find it a little too easy to picture future head-shaking over anyone thinking Winston was a better prospect than Mariota.

    For now … “Go Whoever!”

  4. louden Says:

    Just to make sure:
    I dont know what Jameis did and didn´t do in his life, but there is a article on the big lead:
    “Jameis Winston: Second Woman Sought Counseling After Sexual Encounter According to New York Times”

    stating, that a second woman didn´t seem to happy about a Winston Encounter, while not calling it rape (since she didn´t say no) but still, she sought counseling..
    and many woman just are to “weak” to say “no” (fact; especially younger ones)

    While i like Big Ben on the field; i sure as hell feel disdain about him and cannot tolerate the shhh he -pretty sure- did.

    + winston is a average QB, so not worth thinking about it anyway

  5. Buxfan Says:

    Mike Mayock on Mark Barron pre-draft: “His ceiling is a Pro Bowl safety; his floor is a Pro Bowl safety.

    His judgement of talent is a bit clouded.

  6. Mariota Joe Says:

    “The reaction from Bucs fan was horror”???? LOL…..”au contraire!!” Jubulation in many Tampa Bay quarters!!! Mayock’s concerns are REAL, and to ignore them would be unwise.

  7. Kalind Says:

    Ref: Buxfan

  8. Luther Says:

    Mariota guys are up with the chickens…errr…ducks. It’s simple, go with the tape and pick Winston. Don’t gift someone the franchise QB and take the project at the top of the draft.

  9. Espo Says:

    The suspense is killing me!

  10. J 2.0 Says:

    Wow. A guy who works for NFL Network just tried to create draft intrigue. Who would’ve thunk it.

    The pick is going to be Winston. The Bucs do not base their draft decisions on analysts. Mayock just want to create a level of intrigue to make sure people tune in. Rest assured Bucs fans, you can go ahead a pre-order your #5 Winston jerseys.

  11. Nick Says:

    Character means so much to him he moved Randy Gregory up two spots.

  12. P'cola Buc Says:

    Perhaps the article is involves some overthinking. Both QBs are talented…Buc fans are tired of projects let alone projects that have a bigger potential to bust on the NFL level and we return to square one. Jameis Winston has reached a level of pro style expertise that Mariota has still to reach. Additionally, Bucs need a catalyst on the field of play and sideline. Mariota personality will not deliver either. Winston definitely will.. Either is a gamble, but I’ll roll the dice on Winston thank you.

  13. Bucnut2 Says:

    Gil Brandt said last night that support for Winston is softening considerably at 1-Buc place.

  14. Phil Says:

    I’m just glad nobody cares what Mayock thinks. He is usually wrong anyway. Jameis is the pick.

  15. snook Says:

    The guy who said Gabbert is better than Cam Newton?

    Sorry. He has no credibility on QBs…

  16. Edward Teach Says:

    Aye, Winston tossed the pigskin to the wrong crew on many occasions, true enough. But ye be hit’n the rum a bit much if ye thinks FSU had one of da most talented crews last yar.

  17. AstuteFL Says:

    I’d be willing to bet more teams would want Mariota at #2, then would want Winston at #2. Glad one of these “experts” finally got some sense and put Mariota #1.

  18. SkiBucsFan Says:

    I put more stock in what Kurt Warner says about Winston rather than what Mayock says. When it comes to quarterback play and decision making Kurt Warner agrees with Steve Mariuchi that Winston is heads and tails above all other quarterbacks in the Draft. Glazers need to step up and get the quarterback that will put more butts in the seats and Not the Project. That’s the Seminole and NOT the Duck. Interceptions have long been explained by Daniel Jeremiah and Warner too. Go Bucs! Besides I have been a Season Ticket holder since Day 1 in 1976, so you recent wanna be fans aren’t real fans at all !!!

  19. Joseph Mamma Says:

    Buxfan, drafting is not an exact science, not by a long shot. About half of all first round picks will be busts. That’s why the best front offices accumulate picks, anyway they can get them.

  20. Waterboy Says:

    Mayock talked off-field issues and ball security but yet never mentioned the 27 fumbles by Mariota or the fact that Matt Ryan was his #1 qb while coming out of college with 19 interceptions his final year. I looked back at his past rankings and he also had Blaine Gabbert ranked ahead of Newton coming out of college and Manziel ranked #1 in last year’s draft while Bridgewater was tied for 5th.

  21. Josh P Says:

    The guy was a safety who played 2 seasons in the NFL after being rehearsed after 1 game in the CFL..He is there to create draft intrigue.

    We have no idea who the Bucs are going to take.to this point in the L&L tenure one thing is for certain, the are unpredictable..

    One last quick take on Mayock, 2009 draft he said Mark Sanchez was the safest pick ahead of Stafford, compared Sanchez to the likes of Matt Ryan.

    Kiper, McShay, & Mayock simple there to create interest..

  22. robert 10 Says:

    utter nonsense. just part of the national character assassination.

    this guy is the real deal, smart as a whip, good upbringing and undeniable team leader who leads by example.

    jameis is the pick. get on the bus or get off jbf

  23. ToesOnTheLine! Says:

    Has to be a hoax, 87 and Pickgrin has insisted the pick is already in and it’s Jameis. I wasn’t born yesterday, JBF bloggers have the inside scoop on these things 🙂

  24. tval Says:

    Mayock was acting sketchy this entire draft process..no surprise here..at least he knows people “would be insane to listen to me” and i concur..johnny doesnt have red flags but teddy and jameis do..hmmmmmmmmmm??

  25. kaput Says:

    Odd how the off field issues for Winston made him tumble down Mayock’s “big board,” but Gregory just got busted for pot – and then subsequently admitted to be hooked on the stuff for years while at Nebraska – and yet he moved him to number two overall prospect.

    Nice when you’re consistent, huh?

    Well, maybe not.

    And I’m still waiting for someone, anyone, to give me ONE example of a spread quarterback transitioning to the NFL and being a franchise guy (and no, Brees and Rodgers didn’t run anything like what’s asked of these new spread quarterbacks, so don’t go there).

  26. ToesOnTheLine! Says:

    BTW that picture of Winston is priceless. I expect fans of whatever team selects him will see it often in his first few seasons of leading the league in INT’s…unless Pineaple McCown can rise to the challenge and win the title this year

  27. Bannor Says:

    So a young woman sought out counseling after a one night stand. the “hook up” culture in college isn’t good for anyone. Provided the report is any more true than the point shaving allegations or the autograph thing. When I read that Mariotta takes a sack 25% of the time that he’s pressured I had a Rob Johnson flashback. Headless Horseman 2.0

  28. kaput Says:

    Oh yeah, for all of those guys out there screaming about the 18 interceptions:

    Dan Marino threw 24 his senior year at Pitt.

  29. The Buc Realist Says:

    Just like Dominick with JFRO, Mayock is having a knee-jerk reaction to having Johnny Football as his #1 QB last year!

  30. Bucfan4life Says:

    All you had to do was watch the NFL network last night to figure this out. It was so silly! Both nightly shows led off with Mayock’s change. It makes for good TV and one of these analysts had to take Mariota so that people would tune in. I was one of those people that has tuned out quite a bit because everyone knows now that Jameis is coming to Tampa. Nothing has changed over the past couple months; no games have been played, he’s done nothing wrong ipduring this time and Mariota is slipping in most mocks. With three weeks left Mayock changes his mind. C’mon even the Mariota lovers have to see right through this.

  31. MM-ARMY Says:


    As I am waiting on ….for someone, anyone, to give me ONE example of a FSU quarterback transitioning to the NFL and being a franchise guy….

    still waiting….crickets….

    I still cant believe any of you think the type of offense someone played in college will be a final determinant of their NFL ability. It really gets down to…can the guy make the throws. Mariota is a BIG yes in that regard.

  32. Chris@Apple Roof Cleaning Says:

    Winston is THE Pick, and Mayock can piss and moan all he likes, it will not change what Tampa is going to do with our number one pick.
    Winston is a leader, and a competitor, who will rally our entire team.

  33. Keepitreal Says:

    Mayock has an agenda.. Winston’s the pick!

  34. Keepitreal Says:

    Notice he can’t even commit to Mariota… “If you put him in the right system he can be productive” Bucs army drafting winston because mike doesn’t like him…lol

  35. robert 9 Says:

    it’s about time the bug guys start recognizing his flaws and bust power.

    hell being a bust would be above the expected incarceration. if they draft him someone should sell orange jump suit jerseys with jameis on the back. that would be friggin hilarious to wear to a game!!! maybe a little no means no tag where the nfl logo goes.

  36. Supersam Says:

    Mayock finally woke up, so will Lovie and Licht. Go Mariota!

  37. Dean Says:

    Mayock is a trusted analyst who usually hits it right on the head. He has expressed these off field and interception concerns, since day one.

    But this time I think he is just be a contrarian. He is taking the road not traveled at all. Everyone else has chosen Winston as #1 and here’s a prime opportunity to get yourself some headlines by being the lone duck lover.

    Not a quality move, Mike. You’re too good to stoop to that level.

  38. UF Alum that likes a few Noles here. Says:

    My question if for Kelvin Benjamin……
    If you already have a Feminine face then Why wear long hair????

  39. Florida Hillbilly Says:


  40. Keepitreal Says:

    Let’s not be like Dallas, stealers, New England, raiders, Giants…. He’ll no!! What do they know about winning SB’s. We are the CHARACTER team. Won’t win much but who cares..need to change our name to Tampa Bay Character.

  41. Waterboy Says:


    Dennis Dixon, Darron Thomas, and Akili Smith lol

  42. Keepitreal Says:

    Sorry Subparsam… Nobody in the NFL gives a sh!t what Mayock thinks.

  43. WalkdaPlank Says:

    Haha, so I’m not the only one that thinks KB looks like a chick??

  44. Elle Says:

    I agree, Mayock has an agenda.

    Most of these so called “experts” don’t care one bit for the Bucs and I bet they’re bored out of their minds when they have to talk about the team holding – sadly – the first pick in the draft. Most of the “experts” don’t even mention the o-line issues, because they don’t really know much about the Bucs,they just play their little game and pretend that Winston is going to put the Bucs back on the map all by himself.

    We have many holes to fill and this is why I wouldn’t care if we draft Mariota instead. Providing that all goes according to plan, this team will be ready to compete in a couple of years – the time I think Mariota needs to develop.

    I’ve said it here many times. Just pick a QB. Any other move would disgust me, and I believe this sentiment is shared by many. We’ll see who was wrong and who was right… or hell, maybe everybody will be proven wrong, ’cause both will be huge busts and the best QB of the class is gonna be Brett Hundley or someone else. I wouldn’t be surprised, since drafting QBs is always a bit of a gamble, but right now the Bucs need to gamble and hope for the best.

  45. UF Alum that likes a few Noles here. Says:

    No Plank, you are not the only one. My wife has been saying it for years and she is a FSU grad.

  46. Bird Says:

    Get him joe Don’t let him talk bad about your man. Joejameisfan.com

  47. P'cola Buc Says:

    I remember the interview Mayock had with Mariota on NFL Network. He kept in not only feeding Mariota questions but answering for Mariota as well. Towards the end of the interview he asks Mariota if he feels people make too much of the transition between spread offence to the NFL . When Mariota spoke a three word answer Mayock asks Mariota Do you know what percentage of Drew Brees passes came from the shotgun? Mariota said that he thinks…a lot. Mayock responds 85%. Mayock crossed a boundary and was actively selling Mariota since Mariota was unable to do it by himself. At the time Mayock kept Winston number one. His struggle in choosing number one is a classic one when we “fall in love” with one prospect yet are head points more realistically to another. Next time try not to fall in love with a prospect, let him answer his own questions on national TV, you are there to analyze not to be an extentiion of his agent.

  48. Edgewalker Says:

    “Bucco bruce Says:

    April 9th, 2015 at 5:18 am

    Hopefully common sense prevails with the bucs and they pass on crab legs…one huge note on mayocks take….FSU had most talented team past two years and Winston continually put the team behind with picks….do we want another testaverde nightmare….”

    Last year’s team was far from the most talented. A bunch of freshman WR’s, a shoddy offensive line and a porous defensive, not to mention a running game that didn’t pick up until late in the season.

    Take it from someone who actually watched those games: Winston saved that team. Yeah, he threw some INTs (more than a few came because of the WRs running the wrong routes) and put them in a hole, but he pulled them out each time save for one and that wasn’t him that fumbled 3 times against Oregon.

    Winston tried to do too much because he knew the team wasn’t as talented.

    The year FSU won the title, that team was stacked. Not so much last year.

  49. Erik the WiseMMan Says:

    Mariota will be our QB. I guarantee that he dazzled them too much on Monday for them to pass on him. He’s an athletic freak who can make every throw and is a choir boy off-the-field. Noone in their right mind would pass on him. L & L will save this team and the duck will be a Buc. Take that to the bank (or vegas).

  50. Edgewalker Says:

    “MM-ARMY Says:

    April 9th, 2015 at 8:19 am


    As I am waiting on ….for someone, anyone, to give me ONE example of a FSU quarterback transitioning to the NFL and being a franchise guy….

    still waiting….crickets….

    I still cant believe any of you think the type of offense someone played in college will be a final determinant of their NFL ability. It really gets down to…can the guy make the throws. Mariota is a BIG yes in that regard.”

    I am glad you asked this because it shows how little you understand.

    If you mean FSU grad overall, all-time, then Brad Johnson is one. A Super Bowl winner.

    However, that would be an asinine thing to look at it because the program is entirely different.

    So looking at Jimbo Fisher’s QBs alone would be smarter, but as anyone with eyes can see, Jameis Winston is far and above, even as a freshman, anyone that Fisher ever had. So Winston is the exception to the rule here.

    Meanwhile, the same Oregon program that Mariota came from has produced no one in the NFL worth a damn. None. And Mariota is just the latest cog in the machine to be spit out into the NFL where he will be ground up into a bust.

  51. tmaxcon Says:

    Mayock has embarrassed himself repeatedly over his agenda against Winston. Mayock looked like a fool during the combine broadcast to the point of people feeling sorry for him. Mayock is just like that old fool dungy wouldn’t know a good qb if he bit him in the arse. Lovie needs Winston far more than Winston needs a has been that never was coach like Lovie.

  52. Jeagan1999 Says:

    Wow, the Winston crowd seem a bit defensive this morning!

  53. Barry Says:

    With Mayock;

    I think it comes down to just a couple things. He’s not a fan of QBs who are accused rape, accused of property damage (apt complex) , accused of stealing crab legs (Publix), accused of shooting animals (BB gun), accused of stealing from Burger King, convicted of yelling obscenities in a public venue and suspended, showing up fully dressed knowing he was suspended from a game and ordered back into the locker room to undress, talk of point shaving, told by FSU they didn’t want him back this year, and forthcoming Civil rape trial, why do I have a feeling i’m missing something? So maybe it’s best to go with a player who has better potential and is clean, someone you’d be proud of to be the Face of the Franchise, someone you can release into the community with confidence #Mariota.

    #DP #HGH #PEDs #BrainDeadRetard

  54. Harry Says:

    I don’t get it. If character concerns factor in, how does Mayock move Winston down, but also moves Gregory up??? That, to me is incredibly stupid and inconsistent; strictly an attention getter.

  55. Buxfan Says:

    Lovie and Jason would be drafting Mariota for the next regime. I really don’t see that happening. Plus the Glazier boys want Winston. Bucs I hope would not pass on a football player for a chior boy. I said all along, this team need more A**wholes on it. Way too many nice guys. Can’t win with a bunch nice guys.

  56. crazy Says:

    One guy will likely be in the headlines and trailed by TMZ for a while, the other will not. One guy is a perfect fit for a traditional NFL offense the other offers his team the opportunity to open up the offensive playbook. Who they pick will likely depend more on which style of play than anything else. The Glazers went after Chip Kelly, Lovie brought in Tedford and now Koetter which leads one to believe the team would like to open up the playbook but we’ll have to wait and see. Simple as that

  57. Brandon Says:

    I like Mayock, and for the most part, Ilike what he says and how he analyzes…but he’s threw in a boatload of headscratchers over the years. I still haven’t gotten over his Robert Ayers love, his Colin Kaepernick hate, him thinking a safey, Eric “Burry” Berry as the #1 pick in the draft the year Suh and McCoy came out. his QB love for Johnny Football, Blaine Gabbert, and Christian Ponder In his defense, he’s really liked some guys I also liked that he was right on the money with but his thinking and rationale at times are questionable.

  58. Buxfan Says:

    Mike Evans is the only a**whole I can think of on this team. Jameis could add that to this team. On the superbowl team we had many a**wholes on it. Warren Sapp, Keyshawn, Rice, and players that PLAYED like a**wholes. Mike Alstott. Lynch, Brooks. And was coached by an a**whole. Point is we need a**wholes on this team to win.

  59. Bird Says:

    When did mike Evans become a a hole. Seems to be humble beast to me

  60. tmaxcon Says:


    Some on this site mistake heart and passion for bad behavior or poor sportsmanship. I love Evans getting pissed on bad plays and for losses. The bucs last year had no heart and no passion soft and passive.

  61. Pat Says:

    Mayock is getting hosed here, whose next L&L?

  62. Dusthty Rhothdes Says:

    Mayock also threw in the little disclaimer “if he goes to the right system”? so basicaly then winston is better and mariotta only fits like 2 teams the eagles and the patriots

    and as stated above he moved gregory up who thinks weed is more imprortant than a job interview

  63. Red86 Says:

    I thought that was silly. I don’t get how we could want Mariota. He seem like a good guy and qb. But when I think of the terms project. I think of Myron Lewis, Sabby, Josh Johnson, and other failed “projects” that was on the team.

    Why risk the best draft pick on a project?

    Again Mariota is a good guy, but that offensive scheme isn’t common in the NFL. Corner backs are going to catch on to those 10-15 screen throws if it was in the NFL.

    I rooted for FSU and was very impressed with Jameis and Kelvin Benjamin 2013 spring game. To think he never had a off season to focus 100% on getting better at qb is unimaginable. Yet, he was 26-1 without committing to football alone. Jameis is very good right now, yet has more room to grow when he just focus on football.

    Plus, his personality seem natural. He has that it factor to draw people respect an attention. He’s fiery and up lifting when FSU is losing in the game.

    The Bucs don’t have any players on the team that lead or uplift teammate when losing. A great example is the multiple fumbles by Rainey. Rainey looked like he was depressed on the bench and no one went to lift him up. Most of our blow out, no one gather their unit or any unit for a prep talk or strategy sharing when the game was within reach. This need to change from our “leader.”

    This is one great reason we need Jameis here. He seriously hate losing. As you seen in his final game he still believe they could win. He’s a fighter from the beginning of the game to the 0:00 show on the clock. I honestly can’t name anyone on the team right now that’s like that. We can be down by 21 in the mid way through the third quarter and most of the player checked out mentally. This have stop to turn it around.

  64. Pickgrin Says:

    No surprise that Mayock changed his mind about who he thinks the #1 QB is.

    He’s made it clear the whole time he is scared of Winston’s “character concerns” and has now joined the 3% of experts saying they would pick Mariota over Winston.

    What’s amusing is that none of those few MM backer “experts” will say definitively that they believe Mariota is the better QB.

    Since the Bucs have done their homework on Winston’s off field issues (which Mayock obviously hasn’t) and say they are very comfortable drafting Jameis and having him be the face of the franchise – then Mayock’s concerns about Winston’s character are meaningless – and as others have said – his late hour “switch” is likely to be more about providing a contrasting viewpoint from ESPN and trying to create draft day intrigue where little to none exists.

  65. MadMax Says:

    Mayock isnt the end all be all…..not to me anyway. And he’s always displayed a chip on his shoulder against Winston. Its all good though, he’s been proven wrong before, and again, and again, as he will be this time.

  66. Lord Cornelius Says:

    Why does he care so much about character now? He had Manziel #1 last year and Bridgewater 5th. Does he not give a sh*t about what the tape says at all?

  67. Idontwannahearitanymore Says:

    Bucnut2 Says:
    April 9th, 2015 at 7:06 am
    Gil Brandt said last night that support for Winston is softening considerably at 1-Buc place.

    The owners have always been a bit conservative, even if they don’t always have good sense (e.g., throwing around money in free agency). Maybe they see the writing on the wall as Mariotta being the type of quarterback that represents the future and don’t want to go with the type who were successful in the past. Maybe support is softening.

    Since my fervent hope is that a pick – any pick – be made as soon as possible (can we start the draft a month early next year, Roger?), why not have the Bucs pick Mariotta – it will upset all of the trade / trade up options off the table and piss off a lot of teams. Bucs, don’t go gentle into that good night!

  68. Tourist Says:

    This from PFT:

    Winston’s biggest edge comes from his one-loss-in-two-seasons track record at Florida State, which uses a pro-style offense under coach Jimbo Fisher. But with that same system generating a first-round bust in Christian Ponder and a potential first-round bust in EJ Manuel, at what point does the success of the players become attributed more to the coach than the players? (By the way, Fisher also coached JaMarcus Russell at LSU.)

  69. Red86 Says:

    @Tourist: Pete Caroll coached Mark Sanchez and Matt Leinart. But I doubt Seattle is firing him anytime soon. If anything Jimbo got the best out of the guy you mentioned.

  70. Buccfan37 Says:

    Where is 87 when Winston fans need his take to counter this dribble spewed against our number one pick?

  71. Dusthty Rhothdes Says:

    Owners draft jameis fire lovie this year and then they go and get jimbo to be the HC in 2016

  72. Edgewalker Says:

    “Tourist Says:

    April 9th, 2015 at 11:29 am

    This from PFT:

    Winston’s biggest edge comes from his one-loss-in-two-seasons track record at Florida State, which uses a pro-style offense under coach Jimbo Fisher. But with that same system generating a first-round bust in Christian Ponder and a potential first-round bust in EJ Manuel, at what point does the success of the players become attributed more to the coach than the players? (By the way, Fisher also coached JaMarcus Russell at LSU.)”

    And Ponder or Manuel should have been picked that early. Those teams reached.

    Ponder and Manuel didn’t have the success Winston did. Not even close. Anyone who makes that comparison knows nothing.

  73. Tourist Says:

    @Red86: I’m not sure about your correlation. I’m not saying Jimbo (or Lovie) should be fired. I’m saying people keep talking about how MM is the product of a system. They said that about Aaron Rogers. Every team has a “system”, and Jimbo Fisher’s system has made a lot of mediocre to bad QB’s look good and I don’t see how JW is the exception with all the picks he threw last year. Only time will tell on both, but I think MM has WAY more up side.

  74. charactermatters Says:

    since it seems no one else is answering your question I will. Many people would say Cam Newton is a franchise quarterback.

  75. Oahubuc Says:

    “His ceiling is a Pro Bowl safety, and his floor is a Pro Bowl Safety.” _Mike Mayock on Mark Baron.