Jameis Watch: Keyshawn-Approved

April 5th, 2015

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Crab-legs-stealing, BB-gun-shooting, obscenity-hollering, Heisman-Trophy-winning, former national champion Jameis Winston, the pride of Florida State University, continues to look like a much better quarterback prospect than Mike Glennon.

It’s Joe’s daily nugget on the Jameis Watch, celebrating the best quarterback ever to wear No. 5 in the state of Florida.

You’ve heard Daniel Jeremiah, and Derrick Brooks and Booger McFarland, and you’ve heard countless others all but demand the Bucs must pick Florida State quarterback Jameis Winston, or Bucs general manager Jason Licht should have a sitdown with a shrink.

That’s all fine. But a guy who caught passes for a living and helped the Bucs get a ring, arguably the best Tampa Bay wide receiver in history, Keyshawn Johnson, is all aboard the Winston bandwagon.

Speaking to Pat Yasinskas of ESPN.com, Johnson suggested this is one of the biggest no-brainers in recent draft history.

“The best thing Tampa can do is draft that guy,” Johnson said. “Winston is big, and I like his pocket awareness and his red zone ability. So what if he ran five seconds in the 40-yard dash? What do [Peyton] Manning and [Tom] Brady run? I just think Winston is the better overall choice.”

Being on the west coast and still a hardcore USC booster, his alma mater, Johnson has watched a lot of PAC-12 football. He isn’t won over by Oregon’s Marcus Mariota, who Johnson suggested is a poor man’s Cam Newton with a lesser frame.

128 Responses to “Jameis Watch: Keyshawn-Approved”

  1. 87SizeXLCreamsicle! Says:

    A real franchise QB in Tampa Bay. Somebody pinch me.

  2. Luther Says:

    Great year to be the biggest loser in the NFL. Finally we can shed the weight of terrible QB play in Tampa.

  3. OneBuC55 Says:

    I agree 87…”somebody pinch me”..

    Tampa in reality is probably the best landing spot for Winston too; between the coaching staff and the veteran players on the team I believe Winston will be fine…It’s crazy that with all Winston has accomplished on the field he’s managed to this as a part-time player…all who believe Mariota has a higher ceiling are sadly mistaken…Now that Winston can focus all of his energy into football the sky really is the limit for this kid…

  4. BFFL Says:

    Meshawn prefers Winston..what a shocker!

    More like Russell Wilson is a poor mans Mariota. The NFL has never seen the likes of Mariota with his combination of throwing ability speed and size. But keep living in your bubble that Winston is Brady and Manning.

  5. Luther Says:

    @BFFL “The NFL has never seen the likes of Mariota with his combination of throwing ability speed and size”


    I remember when people said that about Michael Vick. The Buc’s D owned him and he has no Superbowls to show for it.

  6. ndog Says:

    BBFL you do realize that outside of Russell Wilson, who ran a pro style offense with NC STATE in college, there is no one that has been consistently successful with the spread option style in the NFL. There is a reasons Kapernick, Vick, Vince Young, Alex Smith, and every other spread option qb to play in the NFL has not won anything. By the way I really like Wilson’s skill set, but he would not have won crap if not for the best defense in the league and a dominate running game. This guy has Alex Smith written all over him, at best.

  7. Johnny Dejay Says:

    When Mark “Popstar” Dominick said he preferred Mariota, that made me think Winston is a sure-fire Hall of Famer. and I was just starting to warm up to the thought of the Bucs drafting him. Me-shawn’s endorsement of Winston has brought me back closer to the middle.

  8. Greg Says:

    Oo my god
    Please don’t listen to Keyshawn. The man that got ban from the Bucs locker room. The closer we get to the draft the more I think we need to trade back.

  9. ATrain Says:

    Keshawn said he is it.

    keshawn has spoken

    Where the heck did they did this guy up. Anything to try and get relevant again.

    Miss being in the paper Has Been. Then say Winston is the pick..

  10. Posey99 Says:

    Same old song and dance. This is the most coverage on a prospect I’ve ever seen on a ‘bucs news’ website. As you’ve said before Lovie is unpredictable and coverage of all prospects is rational.

  11. Dean Says:

    “Arguably the best Tampa Bay wide receiver in history” Gag, Puke and Vomit, Joe.

    Your memory has become beer-laden.

    Remember the first year he came? He wouldn’t show for any off season workouts. On the field he didn’t have a TD until the final season game, I think. And he ends up getting tossed off the team.

    Look at Vincent. 3 straight 1,000 yard seasons with plenty of TD’s. Sure he drops more than his share, but I’ll take VJ over that A-hole MEshawn any day of the week. And Evans may be even better than both of them, but time will see.

  12. Nybucsfan Says:

    Not for nothing who cares what Keyshawn thinks? I can see people listening to Brooks or Barber but Keyshawn thanks but no thanks

  13. ATrain Says:

    Thank you that post..How true Cryshawn was a problem in the locker room. Far from a team player.

    Wonder why he liked Winston so much. Like minds maybe.

    Joe are the Bucs paying you to sell this QB?

  14. Harry Says:

    My friend, don’t jinx us by saying it like Winston is a done deal; we are talking about Lovie here you know, lol. Of course if Lovie does screw this up, as I promised you, I will be there with you with the gas, bottles, rags and lighter!

  15. gotbbucs Says:

    Before the Mariota fan club shows up and starts sh!t talking Winston, how about some of you point out how Mariotas game and college experience is going to translate to the pro game and then give us some examples of players like him that came over into the NFL and did well.
    We’ve all ready a thousand times how you dislike Winston but rarely is there any of you that can backup Mariota with facts, other than that he’s not a naughty boy.

  16. BFFL Says:

    @Luther…Mariota throws 10times better than Vick. Imagine Vick with Brees like throwing.

    @ndog…the Saints and Patriots run spread passing concepts. Also all those guys you mention do not have Mariota’s skill set or character. I’m not proposing the Bucs to draft Mariota and then run a clodhopping pro system, but rather adopt spread elements like the Eagles, Seahawks, Saints and Patriots because this is the future of the NFL.

  17. ndog Says:

    Dean again you guys clearly don’t understand football. It is not who you like the most that helps you win games. I don’t love Keysha either but the dude would go over the middle and take shot after shot and hold on to the ball. Do you remember the time on Monday night football where he got blasted and got up with blood pooring out of both nostrils and still caught the ball? The guy was a big reason we won the chip and while VJAX is good there are not in the same class. Also talent knows talent so when he says Jameis is the pick he knows what’s he talking about. Plus for you Mariota lovers he is even from the west coast and knows Jameis is the better player.

  18. Josh P Says:


    “The NFL has never seen the likes of Mariota with his combination of throwing ability”

    You’re right, because you don’t throw to wide open recievers and those QB’s don’t last long…Luther said it best when refering to Vick. He may not have had the height, but he ran a 4.3 40 and had a cannon for an arm and the Bucs speed on D was able to contain him all the time.

  19. Dennis Pappalardo Says:

    I love Winston. The only problem is the same people that picked players last year are still picking players this year. Can anybody evaluate talent?

  20. ndog Says:

    BBFL wow just wow if you think the Saints and Patriots offenses are anything like the Oregon offense then you cannot be helped with seeing the truth. Dude they are night and day, tell me the last time you say Brady or Bress run after doing a play fake. That is the difference the Oregon offense gets you easy throws based upon the threat of the running game every play, including the qb. There is no such threat with the Saints or Pats therefore the offense and defenses they see are completely different. The only way Mariota will be successful is to run the Philly offense NOT a spread passing offense.

  21. Pat Says:

    Whatever happens, HAPPENS for a reason. Whether the Bucs pick Mariota or Winston or non-QB or Trade down…something’s going to happen. My initial take was the Trade down crowd (logic= in this crop of non-Franchise QB’s nobody’s worthy of the ‘suck for Luck’ campaign this year)…but more and more I viewed Mariota, I blocked out all the ‘tunnel vision’ pundits knock on him (he’s not a Pocket Passer filter processed) and delved deeper with all his games on Tape…He knows how to read Defenses very well…the Verbage to command and own the Spread was seamless to him (that’s why I can see him having the knack to adapt fairly quickly on ANY system thrown at him)…He uses his Athleticism to dare the Defenses to converge on him, knowingly it’s his Pass first mentality that will demoralize them…He is the Prototypical QB base on the 3 S’s >> Size…Speed..Smarts If the Bucs want him that sounds good to me…if the Bucs pass on him, that also sounds good to me; he will have a Team that will be glad they picked him. Good luck Mariota!

  22. ndog Says:

    Pat Jameis is better than Luck, book it and for the record Mariota did not spread the defenses, the system did which is why he was so successful. But keep in mind they never won the national title with that system and what have the Eagles won in the NFL with that system? His success was based in the system and as proof look at every loss they had with him there. The run was shut down forcing them to be a throw first team and then game over, see OSU game as one example.

  23. Pat Says:

    Whatever ndog. FSU had a very strong D that year too when they won the championship. And Defenses wins…

  24. Couch Fan Says:

    A poor mans Cam Newton with a lesser frame and much lesser arm. Sounds about right.

  25. rayjay1122 Says:

    I am over the Winston debate. He is the best QB in the draft and we are going to pick him which is awesome!!!! I would like to start inquiring a little more on what to do with the 34th pick. Should we try to trade back into the 1st round if a solid DE drops into the mid to late 1st? Or even if it is the BPA at a position of need like slot receiver, OL, or LB? I think Winston is a foregone conclusion at this point but what we will do with that 2nd and 3rd pick is far more intriguing to me.

  26. BFFL Says:

    ndog..I never said the Saints and Pats run a zone read but did say they run a spread which I believe Mariota can run. This is why teams are tripping over themselves trying to trade up to grab the guy. You can’t persecute Mariota just because he played for Oregon. With that logic I could say Winston will suck because Fisher never developed a good NFL QB.

  27. JFF Says:

    It’s amazing how much you guys talk about other QBs in reference to Winston & Mariota. QBs are always unique and you can’t just put them into categories and compare them like that.

    Mariota is not Alex Smith or Kaepernick.

    Winston is not Roethlisberger.

    These guys will succeed or fail based on their individual traits, not based on whether they meet some QB archetype that the media has crafted. Winston does have a lot of negative traits that remind me of Leftwich though, which is scary. That doesn’t mean he’s guaranteed to fail just cause Leftwich did though…

  28. Pat Says:

    And if NO picks Mariota…I am going to puke. 🙂

  29. Posey99 Says:

    “gotbbucs Says:
    April 5th, 2015 at 9:59 am
    Before the Mariota fan club shows up and starts sh!t talking Winston, how about some of you point out how Mariotas game and college experience is going to translate to the pro game and then give us some examples of players like him that came over into the NFL and did well.
    We’ve all ready a thousand times how you dislike Winston but rarely is there any of you that can backup Mariota with facts, other than that he’s not a naughty boy.”

    Both of these guys are prospects, fact. Both systems these guys come from have produced duds, fact. (See Jimbo fisher’s system QB’s record). You’ll probably reply with how those QB’s can’t even compare with what Winston did, which is true. Still same system and play calling. And the same can be said for how well Mariota executed his system.

  30. JBuc Says:

    Interesting interview by Gruden with UConns women’s bball coach, Gina Auriemma. During the interview he talks about how his point guard or leader of his offense needs to be the type of person that commands a huddle. Tells the team what they are going to do rather than what they think needs to be done.

    This is why Winston is the pick. He does not shy away from leadership. He owns the huddle rather than the guy that by his own account says he needs to work on huddling. It baffles me that people even debate this.

  31. MadMax Says:

    Dear Joes, you use some of the most unflattering pictures of Winston….why?

  32. ndog Says:

    Pat I hope NO does take Mariota because he will be horrible in that offense and we will be able to eat him alive for the next several years or until he is out of the league. How can any of you watch that National title game and see that offense get completely shut down once the run was taken away and still believe this guy should be the focal point of a offense is beyond me. He was just standing there on the sidelines helpless and you could see it all over his face that he was well aware that once they were behind and could not scare them with the run anymore it was over in the NC game. He has to have a dominate run game to succeed but with Jameis he can have a weak running game and poor defense (2014) and still win most games. This debate is not even close and I just hope all of your Mariota lovers have the stones to come back on this site in a few years to say you were wrong, but I doubt it.

  33. DrHoagy Says:

    “Marietta is a poor man’s Cam Newton.” I accept that. He is more like RGIII 2.0
    He needs to sit behind a Drew Brees for 3 years like Aaron Rodgers sat behind Brett Farve, then you MIGHT have something.
    The argument that he needs an OC to create spread option plays is no longer valid since the league saw that with RGIII and Newton and are ready for it. It worked briefly but that window is closed.
    Winston is the guy or they go completely in another direction and deal with the fans storming One Bucs Pl with pitchforks and torches.

  34. StPeteBucsFan Says:

    I’m growing bored with these threads. Not complaining because that is what scroll wheels are for.

    But seriously. Is there anybody left who denies that the consensus opinion, by a huge margin btw it that Fameis is the choice. Even former Mariota supporters like me have joined the club.

    But I do have an honest question borne of curiosity not “hate” of Fameis.

    Why all the squinting. Does he have an eyesight problem? Perhaps he needs contacts? Or perhaps it’s just a simple nervous habit. Just curious not trying to put him down so don’t get all defensive ’87.

  35. JBuc Says:

    He claims the squinting is a habit and not an indication of poor eye sight. He does wear contacts but not during because he says they are uncomfortable.

  36. 87SizeXLCreamsicle! Says:

    25 more days til Christmas!

  37. 87SizeXLCreamsicle! Says:

    StPeteBucsFan …squinting is due to lack of not wearing his contacts. Although he says when they are in he can’t see down field as well, so he plays without them.

  38. Stpetebucsfan Says:

    Thanks for the answers on the squinting guys.

    I never had to wear glasses until I turned 40. I tried contacts and could never get used to them. Thanks heavens I’m now an age where vanity doesn’t matter and so I don’t have to worry about contacts.

  39. gotbbucs Says:

    Mariota is by far the riskier pick from a football standpoint. This I dont believe is even debatable.

    I agree that every single player coming out is a prospect. Im not even sure what the point was in brining that up. You draft the players who are the best at their position and who’s college game best translates to the NFL.
    Nobody, from a football outlook, would pick Mariota over Winston, save for maybe Chip Kelly, who will be out of the NFL within a couple years.

  40. 87SizeXLCreamsicle! Says:

    A businessman is looking for new employees. Does he hire the people that have less experience or more experience?

    Common effin sense…

  41. Posey99 Says:

    “Nobody, from a football outlook, would pick Mariota over Winston, save for maybe Chip Kelly, who will be out of the NFL within a couple years.”

    Speculation much?

  42. Posey99 Says:

    “87SizeXLCreamsicle! Says:
    April 5th, 2015 at 12:19 pm
    A businessman is looking for new employees. Does he hire the people that have less experience or more experience?

    Common effin sense…”

    I hire the guy with the best character if it’s close to the same resumes. Had this situation countless times. Would rather teach a guy one aspect of a job description than risk a potential character conflict with a guy that has 1 less year of experience in the business.

  43. ATrain Says:

    gotbbucs really are you new to this forum.

    OK start with the leadership YES I said leadership Mariota showed in Oregon.. By the way his guys were all over sad to see him go..FSU glad Winston was gone with his baggage. A leader is not a bragger. A leader doesn’t call attention to himself ( Manning, Rogers, Brees) ..

    Look at his TD to INT ratio…

    Look at Mariotas athletic abilities

    Look at arm strength.

    Look at his integrity, He doesn’t care about limelight he wants to play the best for His team.

    But none of this means anything if u are on the Famous train. Hold on for the train wreck

  44. BoltIsle Says:

    A Train is clueless on JW.

    He can’t name one person who said they were happy JW went pro because of his “baggage” because it’s a fabricated talking point of his. Quite the opposite. His teammates love him because he is a team first player. Like when he introduced all his receivers to the pro scouts at pro day. The scouts said they’d never seen it before.

    Its ok to support your guy, but to make up lies to attempt to smear your guys “competition” means you have a weak argument. Luckily, the Glazers have the resiurces to get to the truth and not listen to

  45. 87SizeXLCreamsicle! Says:

    Ahole…you’ll look good in Jet’s green…

  46. BuccaneerBonzai Says:

    Just when I was starting to swing Winston’s way, he had to go and get endorsed by MeShawn.


  47. BuccaneerBonzai Says:

    ATrain is right in saying Mariota is the better QB though.

  48. tortured orlando bucs fan Says:

    I am not a college or draft expert by any means, but, (off the field issues aside) it seems as if winston is the highest rated qb prospect (pre 1st nfl snap as a rookie) since andrew luck….and i cant think of who would be next on that list before winston (maybe stafford? But id prob take the “upside” of winston over stafford)…im actually curious, other than luck, who would have been the next nfl qb (off the field issies aside) with a higher pre draft rating than winston?

  49. BoltIsle Says:

    The better athlete does not make the better QB.

    See Tim Tebow.

  50. 87SizeXLCreamsicle! Says:

    Bonzai ..the better QB does not need to sit on the bench for 2 seasons…

    MeShawn is part of a loooooooooong list of former players and coaches endorsing Jameis….just part of the group that includes Derrick Brooks, Kurt Warner and several others.

  51. Pickgrin Says:

    This has seemed like the longest offseason in history.

    Even though Winston to the Bucs seems like a lock – some Mariota fans and Winston haters (hard to tell the difference sometimes) continue to spew negativity about Winston. I assume the thinking is this will somehow convince others and the Bucs to pass on Winston and take Mariota instead.

    Um – sorry but it doesn’t work that way. The Bucs are going to take the QB they want regardless of what anyone else says – and all indicators from the Bucs as well as inside sources say Winston is their choice. The reasoning is obvious as is the overwhelming consensus among “experts” that Winston is the better NFL prospect.

    The only thing that’s happening now is arguing back and forth between the Winstonites who are in the majority and the Mariota Mob minority. The result of which is nothing but negativity.

    If you prefer Mariota for the Bucs – It is understandable to want to talk up his positives – but you are trying to fight a lost battle. Slamming Jameis over and over relentlessly is childish and hurts the team at this point. Its Basically over – the Bucs have all but said they are taking Winston. Every indicator leans that way. All Mariota fans are doing at this point is trashing their future QB. That assumes they are Bucs fans – and I’m not so sure about that from some of the things I see said.

    Those who prefer Winston need to check themselves as well. What good does it do to “answer” the Winston bashing by cutting down Mariota?

    Both are good QB prospects and either represents a significant upgrade over what we currently have at QB.

    Can all who are talking bad about either QB please just stop it now and let the process play out? All this negativity when every Bucs fan should be rejoicing that we are getting a much better QB either way is not healthy for our team.

  52. 87SizeXLCreamsicle! Says:

    Pickgrin …despite the way it appears. I myself have been holding back. Just not all the time. I’ve had people bait me and ask me questions in a nonsense manor and I have looked the other way, just clicked offline. Like I said it may not appear like it, but I’m trying….

  53. Hawaiian Buc Says:

    “ndog..I never said the Saints and Pats run a zone read but did say they run a spread which I believe Mariota can run. This is why teams are tripping over themselves trying to trade up to grab the guy. You can’t persecute Mariota just because he played for Oregon. With that logic I could say Winston will suck because Fisher never developed a good NFL QB.”


    How do you know teams are trying to trade up for Mariota? You do realize this is the season for smokescreens right? Tennessee has already let it be known their pick is for sale, so what’s the hold up? Besides, just because teams like the Jets, Browns, and Redskins might want to trade up doesn’t mean it’s a great pick. Those organizations are worse than us when it comes to QB evaluation. It’s fine you think he’s going to be good (I happen to agree with you, just not right away), but you are going to have some serious egg on your face if he turns out to be like almost every other QB from a gimmicky offense.

    Fact of the matter is, Mariota may be great, but there is no doubt he is the hardest QB to evaluate maybe in history. Aside from Philly, almost nothing of what he’s done in college translates to the NFL game. His learning curve is going to be enormous, and he’s going to be asked to do things he has never done before (like making a 7 step drop, or taking a snap from under center). Right now, the only thing you can go on to judge those things is his pro day. That’s just not good enough for me with the #1 pick. If we were sitting in the teens, I’d run to the podium to take him, but at #1, no way.

  54. WalkdaPlank Says:

    “BBFL you do realize that outside of Russell Wilson, who ran a pro style offense with NC STATE in college,”

    Don’t mean to be rude, but this is not true. Wilson never ran a pro style offense at NC State because he couldn’t beat out (all together now) MIKE GLENNON for the starting job. Eventually his love of baseball got him booted and he switched to Wisconsin, where he ran a spread offense as starting QB.

    As for the spread option, Cam Newton ran it at Auburn and I would say he has been pretty successful in the NFL so far as well, wouldn’t you?

  55. Hawaiian Buc Says:


    How do you know FSU was sad to see him go. Fisher said he wished he had 50 guys just like him. He loved his attitude and competitiveness. All his teammates loved him, and have expressed how much they are going to miss him. I’m sure the administration isn’t crying he left ,but who gives a sh!t about the administration. Don’t make stuff up just to try to be right. Making stuff up usually just makes you lose credibility on the actual good points you make.

    You say a leader doesn’t call attention to himself, but I wasn’t aware Winston calls all the reporters over to interview him. He is confident in his abilities, very similar to the way Tom Brady was coming out of college. I don’t know what you expect him to say, “I’m not sure I’m going to be any good, but I don’t want to talk to you guys”?!?! Good leaders lead – his interviews are completely, 100% irrelevant.

    As for his TD-INT ratio, it was pretty damn good his freshman year. He threw a lot of picks last year, many of which weren’t his fault. However, there’s a very long list of great QB’s whose INT’s increased their senior years. That being said, Winston is going to throw a lot of picks in the NFL. You can bank on it. So did Favre and Marino. I’ll take those guys any day of the week. I’m not saying Winston is going to be those guys, but just looking at INT’s is lazy, and often times deceiving. Winston threw a lot of TD’s, and made a lot of big plays. He’ also won a lot of games, which is all that matters.

    As for athletic abilities, I wasn’t aware that was a requirement for the QB position. I wonder why most of the best QB’s can be outrun by Rich Eisen? Arm strength?? Boy, you sure are ignorant. Winston has the better arm, although both QB’s arm strength is not the issue.

    Throughout your love affair for Mariota and your hatred for Winston, you fail to recognize which one of them has a national championship. They both played in the national championship game, yet only one came out on top. And please try to tell me Oregon isn’t a talented team! I want to see you type those words. Winston led a game winning TD drive as a freshman with all the pressure in the world on his shoulders. Handled it like a boss and won the game. I guess you don’t want any part of that, huh?

  56. Hawaiian Buc Says:

    “Don’t mean to be rude, but this is not true. Wilson never ran a pro style offense at NC State because he couldn’t beat out (all together now) MIKE GLENNON for the starting job. Eventually his love of baseball got him booted and he switched to Wisconsin, where he ran a spread offense as starting QB.”


    Oh my, someone is pulling BS out of his arse! Wilson started his freshman year, and a star. He led the ACC is passing his junior year. The NC State coach was upset because he announced he was going to report to spring training for baseball. This happened right after the season ended. Are you seriously trying to tell me that he left because he couldn’t beat out a QB in Glennon who hadn’t even played yet? So NC State was going to get rid of their record setting QB to play Glennon? That’s what you think? Please tell me that’s what you think. I truly want you to. It will make my day.

  57. WalkdaPlank Says:

    “He threw a lot of picks last year, many of which weren’t his fault.”

    Look, I don’t mean to knock Winston as I believe he is our next QB, but this is a Freemanite excuse. If you watched the games you would see that, yes, some of the picks to the younger receivers were not his fault, but Jameis threw some very poor balls last year. Take the Louisville game for example. 3 picks against what was considered the best defense in college at the time. All 3 were horrible throws. Hell, I don’t even know how he won that game, he pulled a rabbit out of his hat cause even his 3 TD passes weren’t his fault. 🙂

  58. Hawaiian Buc Says:

    Wisconsin ran a spread offense? Ha ha ha ha ha!!! In the Big 10? GTFOH!

  59. Hawaiian Buc Says:


    Read my post again. DId I say “none” were his fault? Yes he made bad throws. He’s going to make bad throws in the NFL too. He’s a gun slinger. It’s going to happen. Guys like Glennon and Mariota are never going to throw as many picks, because they are very conservative with the ball. They aren’t going to try to squeeze the ball into tight windows. However, as a result, they aren’t going to put up a lot of points either. Both are terrible on third and long (obvious passing downs). If you want a conservative game manager, Winston isn’t for you. He puts points on the board.

  60. WalkdaPlank Says:


    I do apologize, upon further digging I realize I spread false information. I assumed since Wilson was still in college and so was Mike Glennon, another reason besides baseball was that Glennon came in as starter as for the reason Wilson left. And I got Wisconsin confused with Wyoming for the spread, when I looked it up I felt really silly seeing that the Badgers run the exact opposite. Well, I’ve made myself look like an ass for enough today. 🙂

  61. 87SizeXLCreamsicle! Says:

    Hawaiian Buc …I was going to take ATrain’s bait last night. Then I just clicked off, he made such little sense. I figured I’ve gone over this stuff ad nauseam with numerous ATrain’s for the last 2 months, my mind is exhausted. It’s good to have you on the Winston side though. The hell with going through anymore battles with you for awhile. I imagine it will eventually happen though, but right now I’m mentally exhausted from it all. Good to have you as back up. I can just sit back and enjoy your posts instead of trying to dispute them for once.

  62. 87SizeXLCreamsicle! Says:

    WalkdaPlank Says:

    “Well, I’ve made myself look like an ass for enough today.”

    Hell I can make myself look like an ass without even trying! 🙂

  63. charactermatters Says:

    Please compare JW vs MM passING on third and long before stating one is horrible.

  64. Hawaiian Buc Says:


    No worries. I appreciate you being man enough to acknowledge. I wish others would do the same.

  65. WalkdaPlank Says:


    I am sick of conservative game managers. Schiano and Lovie have lost us so many games with that mindset alone. I was just stating that IMO Jameis’ INT’s his sophomore year were more his fault than his young receivers. I am not trying to knock him either.

  66. 87SizeXLCreamsicle! Says:

    Hawaiian…when you’re done explaining it to him, then go on and explain to him why there is no need to make Winston and MM comparisons anymore.

    We’ve debated this crap for 2 looong months over and over and over. The Bucs did their vetting and the pick will be Winston, so debating who’s better is pointless.

    I know we have all of 4 people left on this site that think some miracle might take place and the Bucs will take MM instead, but they are wasting their time this far into the waiting game.

  67. WalkdaPlank Says:

    I am without a doubt more pro-Mariota than pro-Winston, but I would be shocked if any other name was called but “Jameis Winston, QB, Florida State” in a couple weeks. Embrace it, because it is the future. In fact, it would be better to debate how the hell Lovie intends to fix the O-line. That scares me more than who our QB will be.

  68. Hawaiian Buc Says:


    I watched nearly every Oregon game over the last 2 years. He has always struggled on obvious passing downs. Believe me, I’m far from the only one to say such a thing. As soon as you take away the threat of the run and force Oregon to throw, they are very average. The Ohio State game was the perfect example, but it’s far from the only one. He’s just not comfortable in the pocket, which is very normal for QB’s who love to run.

    You see, I am actually a big fan of Mariota. We are both from Hawaii, and we actually have several mutual friends (although I’ve never met him). In my heart, I want him to be the better QB. He may end up being the better QB, but I don’t see much real evidence that he will be. History shows that pure pocket passers are overwhelmingly better in the long run, and usually in the short run as well. This can’t be disputed. Also, history has shown very little success to QB’s that run gimmicky offenses (option QB’s, run and shoot QB’s, etc.). Not saying it can’t happen, but there’s just not a lot of examples you can point to that dispute that. The closest QB I see to Mariota is Kaepernick, which I would still be happy with. I just happen to believe Winston will be better than Kaepernick. However, I have long said and still say I’ll be happy if we get either guy, but I feel much more confident in Winston.

  69. vancity bucs fan Says:

    87 you’re a troll. Lemme buy u a Rapist Winston jersey

  70. 87SizeXLCreamsicle! Says:

    WalkdaPlank …I of course was talking about “charactermatters ” as he is one of the lonely 4 on that island that still think Mariota’s in the race…

  71. Hawaiian Buc Says:


    Yeah, it certainly looks like Winston is the pick, but you truly never know with Lovie. Even Schiano was sort of the same way. You never know what he’s really thinking. However, they sure are letting everything point towards us picking Winston, at least publicly. I don’t see what’s the purpose in lying, since we have the #1 pick. I personally won’t feel comfortable until the commissioner calls out his name.

  72. 87SizeXLCreamsicle! Says:

    A blatant troll…calling me a troll. Then follows it up with buying a rapist jersey. smh at some of these morons.

    When will they go away Joe?

  73. WalkdaPlank Says:


    Yes, I know, but I used to be one of the frontline debaters for Mariota being a Buc not too long ago. I was saying how even I have embraced Jameis as the pick. No point in arguing.

  74. 87SizeXLCreamsicle! Says:

    Welp time for Easter dinner…everyone have fun. 25 more days til Christmas!

    See ya!

  75. Hawaiian Buc Says:

    “87 you’re a troll. Lemme buy u a Rapist Winston jersey”


    Buy me one too then! It’s a bit ironic that someone I’ve never seen post before (although he probably posts under a different name) is calling someone who wasn’t even charged a rapist, don’t you think? Talk about the pot calling the kettle black!

    I know I’m engaging a troll, which is never a good idea, but what the hell. Why do you believe he’s a rapist? Because the girl said so? What evidence can you give besides her word that supports your accusation? Was it the fact that she claimed she didn’t know who he was (oh wait, there are pictures of the two of them together before the “rape”)? Was it the drugs he gave her (oh wait, she didn’t have any drugs in her system)? Was it the fact that she was a good, wholesome girl (oh wait, she had 2 different types of semen on her panties)? I accuse you of being a cross dresser, therefore it must be true!

  76. WalkdaPlank Says:

    The only possible reason I can think of that L&L would lie about all this Winston love is that they are trying to bamboozle the Titans into thinking that it is going to take a king’s ransom to pry Jameis from their hands, and trade down. A tough sell, if you ask me.

  77. vancity bucs fan Says:

    Sensitive??? Awwww that’s too bad. The rape case was totally mishandled, tampered evidence with a sweep under the rug mentality from the start. Its OK to support your local rapists, I understand… But Jesus Murphy, why must u defend him so vigorously that u can’t see?… Guilty or not, he’s a rapist, sexually assaults women… The ruling may have been innocent, but this is a stepping stone to something far worse… Behaviors are progressive… Rapist, primadonna, arrogant scum

  78. Ricky Bobby Says:

    Aren’t you late for your Klan meeting?

  79. PFish91 Says:

    It pains me too see my fellow Buc fans so brainwashed into thinking that Jameis/Mariota are actually good QBs. Best thing we can do is trade for Rivers PERIOD.

  80. Hawaiian Buc Says:

    How was it mishandled. What evidence was swept under the rug? Why can’t you give specifics? “Guilty or not, he’s a rapist”? Uh, okay. Still trying to figure that one out

  81. Luther Says:

    @vancity “Guilty or not, he’s a rapist, sexually assaults women”


    Do you actually read what you write?

  82. Hawaiian Buc Says:

    “It pains me too see my fellow Buc fans so brainwashed into thinking that Jameis/Mariota are actually good QBs. Best thing we can do”


    Ok, it is settled. PFish91 says they aren’t any good. I no longer need to listen to experts and scouts, because we’ve got the benefit of expert analysis from PFish! I feel much smarter.

  83. Ricky Bobby Says:

    Thanks PFish! Like Hawaiian I now feel much smarter!
    I almost got sucked into thinking Winston was the choice.
    Thanks man!

  84. Dave Pear Says:

    Hey PFish,
    Who is Rivers Period?
    Never heard of him.

  85. Jman Says:


    The Patriots just won a Super Bowl with a spread offense similar to Oregons

  86. Dave Pear Says:

    You do realize when you type something and then hit Submit Comment it is out there for all to see for ever.
    Just saying.
    You might want to be careful.
    Abraham Lincoln once said…”It is better to be silent and be thought a fool, than to speak and remove all doubt.”

  87. Dave Pear Says:


  88. Hawaiian Buc Says:

    “The Patriots just won a Super Bowl with a spread offense similar to Oregons”


    My goodness the stupid is flowing nicely today! Really dude? Did you really type that and hit “Submit”? They employ the element of being fast paced, but that’s only a small part of the Oregon offense. I can’t remember seeing Brady run the read option too often? To seriously type that is one thing, but I truly hope you don’t believe it. This is a prime example why people really need to watch games for themselves, as opposed to never watching one game and relying on what they interpret from others. It’s kind of scary actually.

  89. Hawaiian Buc Says:

    Last year the Bucs ran hurry up occasionally, so we apparently ran the Oregon offense as well. I just can’t recall us holding up a sign with pictures on it, but I guess that’s only for Mariota and Tom Brady??? SMDH

  90. ATrain Says:

    I love this Jimbo loved his QB..That’s why in his biggest game he threaten to bench him because Winston wouldn’t listen and just keep yelling. One thing to give a competitive opinion then shut up and listen…

    Wise man listens its the Fool who keeps talking.

    You think Jimbo would come out and say anything bad about Winston. Please!!

    Don’t be a sheep and look at everything.

    Does Winston have skills yes.

    Will he walk on water and save the Bucs this year NO.

    Stop drinking the Kool Aid.

    Oh again you Winston Loves have asked for hard facts on Mariota ..I give them and you jump on something else.

    Typical no argument, so name call..

    I say again Johnny Football was the next great thing . Ask Cleveland how that’s working out.

  91. Hawaiian Buc Says:


    Of course Jimbo isn’t going to say anything bad, but he went above and beyond. But of course I know who I’m talking to.

    I don’t think anyone believes Winston is going to save us. I don’t know if Tom Brady could save us. He’s going to make a lot of mistakes, and realistically we won’t be a great team. However, a QB is the most important building block when building a team, and he is the best QB available in my opinion (and the overwhelming majority of experts and fans).

    I’m not sure what facts you gave on Mariota?? That’s a bit confusing. Apparently you don’t know what are facts, because everything you gave are opinions. It is opinion as to whether or not the two players will be missed by their schools. It is opinion Mariota will be the better QB. It is opinion who has higher integrity. Those are not facts buddy. Learn the difference before you make an even bigger fool out of yourself. A fact would be something like “Jameis won the national championship”, or “Jamies is coming from a pro style offense”, or “Mariota has taken 99.5% of his snaps from under shotgun”, or “Mariota has never taken a 7 step drop in college”. You see the difference? Am I going too fast for you?

    As for being right on Maziel, who the hell cares? Even a broken clock is wrong twice a day. I can give you a long list of guys I’ve gotten right. I can also give you a long list of guys I’ve gotten wrong. If you are such a spectacular judge of talent, I suggest you use that talent to become a NFL GM.

  92. Hawaiian Buc Says:

    Winston had about as much chance of getting benched as you have of becoming a NFL GM. I guess you’ve never been in sports, because coaches say that kind of things all the time. That is probably the single dumbest example of a all as it pertains to the Jameis hate.

  93. Dave Pear Says:

    Um, a broken clock is “right” twice a day.
    Other than that, great post.

  94. Hawaiian Buc Says:

    Oh yeah, ha ha!!! The stupid is running off on me, lol.

  95. Dave Pear Says:


  96. gotbbucs Says:

    @ A train

    Exactly what facts did you point out? You read a stat sheet and looked at his combine measurables. Wow….well that settles it.

    Im still waiting for this list of spread-option QB’s that have been so successful transitioning to the NFL. If the list includes Mick Vick, Andy Dalton, or Colin Kaepernik then don’t bother posting a response.

  97. vancity bucs fan Says:

    I’m not a racist… Winston’s a rapist.
    I understand some of u guys opinions are far superior to others on here. You get so defensive cuz you’re insecure. All I’m saying is Winston’s gonna be a headache… You’ll see.

  98. ATrain Says:

    So why do they have a combine?

    I’m waiting on your list of Jimbo QB or better yet the greats to come out of FSU..


    You can Love this man blindly. I will not..

    I see an Ego maniac that is being placed on a pedestal. My opinion is he will fail.

    As for the yelling incident which happened more than once. Please name any other College QB yelling at a coach so bad he threatens to bench him more than once.

    As for the other facts you throw them away because you don’t think they measure a QB..

    Please tell us NFL GM what facts on Winston make him great. Other than he throw in a more Pro ready style. And if you say 26-1 I’m going to say how many of those teams were even top 25 college teams.

    Fact Pro is a hell of a lot harder than College.

    I hope Winston proves me wrong I love the Bucs and want a winning season.

    But stop telling me I am wrong about Winston when no one really knows..how many 1st pick QB are in this league or make it great..very few.

  99. Ricky Bobby Says:

    I guess Klan meetings don’t last a long as they used to.

  100. vancity bucs fan Says:

    The Klan eh.. I’m Canadian man there’s no Klan here. Most multicultural place on the planet… The race card?!?!? How bout the rape card!

  101. Ricky Bobby Says:

    The rape card. Eh?
    Innocent 4 times. Eh?
    You don’t get the news in Canada. Eh?

  102. RustyRhinos Says:

    87 “A real franchise QB in Tampa Bay. Somebody pinch me.”

    Can Mr. Winston please play one regular season game before you announce him as a “Franchise QB”. A potential franchise QB sure but to automatically give this label to him so easily sounds foolish. Or do we not need to prove ourselves before we are labeled as being worthy anymore? Just because you where good at something in college does not mean that you will automatically be good in the pros. It does help but you still need to “prove it”. If we draft him and he proves it then yeah he is a Franchise QB not before then.

    Go Bucs!

  103. vancity bucs fan Says:

    No cuz I live in an igloo. To even get accused of rape can’t be good… Hang on the documents are in my snowmobile. Technicalities… Legally he’s off the hook, I’m aware of this but whatever, youre better than me I understand

  104. Ricky Bobby Says:

    Igloos are in Alaska.
    You said you were Canadian.
    I don’t think you can be trusted.

  105. JBuc Says:

    ATrain: it seems funny to me with your handle that you can’t recognize an Alpha Dog when you see one. I’ve played, coached and been around multiple sports all my life and I see coaches threaten to bench star players for talking back to them all the time. Not sure what you think the problem is but this dude is a winner and has strong opinions as to what needs to be done to win. You threaten to bench a player like that to get him to pay attention because that is the thing they care most about. Generally, coaches understand this heat of the moment reaction, especially by highly productive players, and chalk it up as part of the package. Do you not recall seeing Tom Brady yelling at coaches on the side lines?

    Jameis talks about Jimbo with great admiration and calls him his “football daddy”. Jimbo shares the same admiration of Jameis. Adults can deal with conflict with others when they know that both care passionately about achieving the same goal.

  106. vancity bucs fan Says:

    Alaska that’s it?!? There’s like All of arctic Canada… What about Siberia?? Alaska was once Canada but USA bought it for a million bucks cuz they were scared of the russians. And they use that as an excuse to fish Canadian waters too… Off topic where were we… Oh yeah… U been to many Klan meetings up there???

  107. "Dave Pear Says:

    I think you need to stick to the NHL.
    Not a lot of “colored people” playing that sport. Eh?

  108. Hawaiian Buc Says:


    I want you to go back and read my posts. Go back as far as you want. You go ahead and tell me one time where I said Winston is going to be great. I can’t count how many times I’ve said I think they will both be good, but I believe Winston is less of a risk. I hope Mariota is a hall of fame QB (unless he plays for a NFC South team). I wish I thought he was better than Winston, but I don’t. I’m as biased as bias can be, and I still prefer Winston. I could be right, I could be wrong, but at no point have I ever said I KNOW who will be better. So you go ahead and put words in my mouth all you want, but until you can show me some examples, it’s just your typical noise.

    You are completely over-dramatizing the “yelling incident”. It happens all the time at every level of nearly every sport. Certainly football. If there were 400 cameras per game in the past, you would see how often it happened. Wake me up when he benched him. My father was a coach for 40 years, and he constantly got into it with the best player he ever had. But you know what, they are still friends to this day. I’ve seen them nearly come to blows in the heat of the moment. I guess you never experienced that when you were cheerleading.

    To entertain you, I will tell you what many, including myself, like about Winston. Number one, he is very good at throwing guys open. You can read any scouting report you want or listen to any expert, that’s probably the first thing you will see. And as you correctly stated, the pros are harder than college, so that is an essential trait. He is widely considered one of the best at throwing guys open in a long time. So there’s one trait,as requested. He is also very skilled at going through his progressions. He does very well with pressure in his face. He throws a very catchable ball (Mike Mayock raves about that, as do many others). Again, these are on the field traits that I’ve never heard anyone dispute.

    All these things don’t mean he is going to be a great franchise QB. If it were that easy, we would have probably signed him by now. Nearly every QB has some risk factor, and Jameis is no different.

    And finally, this statement is for everyone. Can we please all stop with the nonsense of “how many #1 QB’s are great” debate? That’s stupid. How many pick # 162’s are great? How many 55’s are great? How many QBs with red hair and brown eyes, wearing #15 are great? I know that Eli Manning was a #1, and I’d take him. Peyton isn’t too bad either. Andrew Luck is no slouch. Cam Newton is better than any QB we’ve ever had. It’s almost as if you think because we have the #1 pick, we shouldn’t draft a QB? I guess you can’t help it. You are desperate, but it’s really pretty pathetic.

  109. vancity bucs fan Says:

    There are some good black hockey players… They don’t seem to be doing much raping tho… Guess that makes me racist

  110. "Dave Pear Says:

    Oh. I only hear about the good black hockey players that the fans make racist comments to.

  111. Dave Pear Says:

    But you keep sticking to your “I’m not racist because I’m Canadian.”

  112. Hawaiian Buc Says:

    @Vancity Bucs fan,

    Are you a judge? Who did Winston rape? Where’s the proof? Was he found guilty? Oh wait, he wasn’t even charged. Not too sure about Canada, but in America, he’s no more guilty than you or I. Besides, it wasn’t rape, it was sexual assault. Do you call Peyton Manning a rapist? He was also accused of sexual assault in college. Funny how you are so quick to convict someone, even though a lawyer can’t. I wonder if you would feel the same if one of your guys were accused in the same way? Of course, we all know the answer to that.

  113. vancity bucs fan Says:

    Oh dang ya got me. I guess you win. On the bright side, nobody wants to shoot nuclear missiles at Canada. But you can call me racist, while policy departments all over the states shoot unarmed black people.

  114. vancity bucs fan Says:

    Was it a white girl or a black girl?

  115. Dave Pear Says:

    “Was it a white girl or a black girl?”
    Does it matter?
    And I, for one, am all for hurling a nuke at you Canadians.

  116. 87SizeXLCreamsicle! Says:

    OMGAWD why do people bother with this fool vancity bucs fan?

    Canadian’s are some of the dumbest people I’ve ever encountered in my travels.

    Dumb X 10. Yes that goes for all Canadians.

  117. 87SizeXLCreamsicle! Says:

    Dave Pear…LMFAO!

  118. Hawaiian Buc Says:

    Yeah, what does it matter what color she is? I don’t know if you are racist, but can you really blame people for accusing you when you make statements like that?

  119. JBuc Says:

    I think we all know why no one is interested in lobbing a nuke at Canada. Here’s a hint because you appear slow. He resides a little south of you and he’s got a big freakin stick.

  120. 87SizeXLCreamsicle! Says:

    Dave Pear…I’m STILL laughing…

  121. vancity bucs fan Says:

    What’s really the difference between sexual assault and rape?? Up in Canada we just club em n drag em around back isn’t that how u guys do it? Cmon the guys got too much baggage… I guess you guys think that girl is worthless n she should shut up right?!? He may be off the hook… Something tells me the best is yet to come.

  122. ATrain Says:

    Hawaiian so you been around sports. Unless you are a professional football player or a GM in the NFL. Your crap attacks are juvenile but understandable for someone who is a follower just like High School..

  123. Pickgrin Says:

    I see my previous post saying it’s counter-productive at this point for anyone to be saying bad things about either of the QBs was completely ignored. Oh Well carry on with your arguments. SMH

    The anti-Winston trolls are never gonna shut up – engaging them with facts only seems to encourage them more.

    Don’t feed the trolls people.

  124. ATrain Says:

    Funny..Trolls unless you follow our opinion.. What facts tell you you he will be great…

    But the Winston blind follows will follow until He fails then this will turn.

    I myself am done….

    Never seen one player separate a teams fans like this one.. Sad.

  125. Hawaiian Buc Says:


    Did you read any of what I wrote? Where’s the problem?

    And do you still not understand what a fact is? You aren’t giving facts jack arse!!!!!

  126. Hawaiian Buc Says:

    “Hawaiian so you been around sports. Unless you are a professional football player or a GM in the NFL. Your crap attacks are juvenile but understandable for someone who is a follower just like High School..”


    I’ve read this like 5 times, and still can’t figure out what the hell you mean. Between your fragmented sentences and your general lack of making sense, it’s very difficult to decipher.

  127. 87SizeXLCreamsicle! Says:

    Hawaiian Buc…I read it around 3 times and only came to one conclusion. Perhaps he went to high school with you and knows your real name…

    That’s all I got for ya.

  128. gotbbucs Says:

    @ A train

    So we’re limiting our search to Jimbo Fisher QB’s and FSU QB’s? Good Lord.

    I asked a simple question, give me the spread-option QB’s that have gone on to greatness? Listing off successful QB’s that came out of pro-style college schemes is pointless, there is too many.

    As far as the Combine goes, yes, it’s pointless for QB’s other than the throwing portion. Winston came out on top in that area though too.

    This decision could not be easier to make and yet a huge portion of Bucs fans are too stupid to make it.