Hardy Non-Move A Prelude To Horror?

March 18th, 2015

Dante Fowler with the No. 1 overall pick?

Joe has long maintained Bucs coach Lovie Smith is thoroughly unpredictable when it comes to personnel.

Just look at last year, for example: It feels like yesterday when Lovie dismissed Joe’s question about whether Lovie had reservations because Jeff Tedford had no NFL experience.

Then there was the jettisoning of Darrelle Revis and thinking Josh McCown was anything more than what he was: journeyman. Then pouring cash into Ghost Johnson and Anthony Collins, and talking himself into thinking Mike Jenkins was more than just a slug.

That is why Lovie, despite Stevie Wonder seeing the Bucs need Jameis Winston worse than a diabetic needs insulin, very well could pass.

Joe is not the only one gnawed by this (irrational?) fear.

So too is Matt Sinn. The St. Pete native and former executive producer of the 11 o’clock news on WTSP-TV, Channel 10, recently decided to put his career above his heart. He drug his family into the dead of a Milwaukee winter for a better job. (With the winter the Wisconsonites have had, you don’t think Matt questioned his move as he was scraping ice off of his windshield and shoveling his driveway?)

Relocating doesn’t mean Sinn traded in his Buccaneers fandom. He posted a Twitter message that positively sent chills up Joe’s spine, just after learning the Bucs bowed out of the Greg Hardy sweepstakes today.

Joe could easily see this happening but prays nightly it does not. Such a move would be the most irresponsible transaction pulled by an NFL team in recent memory, probably since Dave Wannstedt traded away the No. 11 overall pick in the 1997 draft for the immortal Rick Mirer.

If this is considered, that’s when Team Glazer would need to step in and exert common sense and control.

118 Responses to “Hardy Non-Move A Prelude To Horror?”

  1. aj Says:

    I’d stop being a bucs fan if that happened…Can only take so much BS after so long…that would be the icing on the damn cake

  2. aj Says:

    Edit: meant to say I would stop caring so much about how the team does, instead of not being a bucs fan at all.

  3. DepressedbucsfaN Says:

    I’m gonna change my name to slitmywristbucsfan. Wtf. “OH NO!!!!!! WE SUCK AGAIN!!!!!!!!!fml wtf

  4. Bucs_Sam Says:

    MG8 FTW

  5. Aaron Says:

    I just threw up in my mouth

  6. Rodney Says:

    I saw a Twitter post that said flight 370 was downed by HAARP… please cover that…

  7. Snook Says:

    Agreed. I’m done too. Its gotta be Mariota or Winston.

    Glennon is garbage.

  8. RCH Says:

    That’s when I will not pay to see another game or put my money into buying any team merchandise until they prove they can win games that way.

  9. thunderchunkyPA Says:

    Team Glazier BETTER not let that happen, #5 is the ONLY answer to this question

  10. Miken Says:

    Dave w comparison to lovie might be accurate. They both are great d minds but do not understand personel or the other side of the ball. Baffling personel decisions over the last 12 months

  11. Bucsfan4lyf Says:

    Is Dante Fowler that good? No way you take him over Mariota or L. Williams. good DE’s can be found at the end of round 1 and beginning of round 2. No need to panic

  12. MtBucsFan Says:

    I wonder who will be the coach next year?

  13. Joe Says:

    good DE’s can be found at the end of round 1 and beginning of round 2.


  14. bucrightoff Says:

    Passing on Greg Hardy definitely ups the odds they draft Mariota. Character and off the field risk clearly matter to Lovie or Licht or both.

  15. Tampabaybucfan Says:

    Then we should see a Fowler or Williams or both visit to the Bucs……if that happens, perhaps there is some reason for concern…..

    I think we passed because we didn’t want to be “jilted at the alter”…..too much money……

  16. kaput Says:

    If they don’t select a quarterback, then they all deserve to be fired.

    I hated the hiring of Lovie, hated his moves last season, hated the play on the field (although I stopped caring about seven games in honestly) and have hated the way this new football years has started. Why would I think that I won’t hate his next move?

    I have two degrees from UF, and would be FURIOUS if they pass on Winston (although I might grow to like Mariota). If they completely pass on a potential franchise quarterback they’ll all get fired within a year and we’ll STILL be looking to fill that slot.

    It’s not a defensive league anymore. Those days are passed, and I’m afraid that Lovie’s have as well.

  17. SuperSam Says:

    @thunderchunkyPA #5? Josh Freeman???….

  18. Chef Paul Says:

    Haha. JBF and it’s commenters would be insufferable for YEARS if that happened. It would be worse than everyone whining for Kuechly still.

  19. The original "Kevin" Says:

    Joe you were dead wrong about Johnny Football, and while I do think you are correct about Winston, I think you may be wrong about Glennon.

    I think I would be pretty disappointed if we passed on winston. Lovie knows enough about pass rushers where he should be able to identify talent in this draft without spending the first pick on it.

    Either way, does anyone think it would be against winston’s long term development to sit a year and learn everything about the NFL, the offense? Glennon, Vjax and Evans/ASJ probably all have Koetters playbook already. I’d let glen non start. Draft Winston, then trade back up if needed to draft an edge rusher. Than two left tackles, then a guard.

  20. Nick2 Says:

    Joe even though its been 11 years since Simeon left the building you have to go back even farther since the Bucs had a franchise quarterback worth a damn. His name? Steve Young LOL damn!!! JAMEIS WINSTON PLEASE COME SAVE ALL BUCS FANS!!!!!!!!! We are tired of having thoughts of the Skyway Bridge!!!

  21. kaput Says:

    Serious question that I hope somebody can answer:

    How much under the cap are the Bucs?

    50 million?

  22. Joe Says:

    Joe you were dead wrong about Johnny Football

    How so?

    And if Joe was wrong about Johnny Football, are you also going to call up Bill Polian and Gil Brandt on SiriusXM NFL Radio and rag on them? They too believe Johnny will excel. Oh, one of them is in the Hall of Fame for picking talent. The other just built a two-time Super Bowl winner.

    How come you don’t mention how Joe was dead-right about Josh Freeman or Lavonte David? Seems you like to pick and choose your arguments. Or are you always a fraud?

  23. Joe Says:

    Haha. JBF and it’s commenters would be insufferable for YEARS if that happened. It would be worse than everyone whining for Kuechly still.


    If Lovie passed on Winston (and Mariota) and Winston went on to do anything in the NFL, that would be Lovie’s scarlet letter for life.

  24. Curtis Gatorboy Says:

    At least were not getting Jameis and getting MM

  25. kaput Says:


    Help me out, brother. How far away from the salary cap at the Bucs?

  26. JoeJoes Fungi Nails Says:

    blast from the past….after the loss to the Panthers in the home opener
    Lovie is in WAY over his head….I listened to his press conference yesterday and was underwhemled by his monotoned empty words…then by chance I listened to a long interview with #55 on all sorts of subject…a stark contrast in leadership and answering questions. Lovie is an empty suit that has been swept to this point in life by his association with the greatness of others. I don’t mean to be harsh…but that is what I see……

  27. Jeagan1999 Says:

    I didn’t say anything during this whole Greg Hardy chase because I knew I was in the minority when it came to wanting him as a Buc. But I have also begun to feel that Lovie Smith wants to build this team in his image, which means no character questions and no off the field distractions.

    When it comes to offense, there are a cou

  28. Tampabaybucfan Says:

    @ Kaput

    We are somewhere near $25 mil & could save more with Koenen & Goldson…..about $7 mil….but we will need some for draftees & perhaps LVD.

    It’s a hard figure to pin down……we spent about $9.5 on the three FA pickups

  29. Bucfan4life Says:

    Lol at the Mariota lovers. Hey morons, they probably figured that taking both Winston and Hardy would cause too much of an uproar. I would say Mariota was more likely if they did take the domestic abuser in free agency. Idiots.

    Like the others above, if they don’t take Winston I won’t spend a dime on this team until they turn it around (if that ever happens). I didn’t say Mariota or Winston because everyone knows Mariota is hoping to be the 6th pick at best.

  30. No qb in 1st Says:

    Here’s what could happen. Bucs trade 1st pick and Martin to Eagles and receive Bradford and McCoy and the Eagles 1st and second this year a a conditional pick next year. Then we pick up OL help and a DE. Or do the Winston lovers think he would still be the better pick?
    What do you think?

  31. Jeagan1999 Says:

    I didn’t say anything during this whole Greg Hardy chase because I knew I was in the minority when it came to wanting him as a Buc. But I have also begun to feel that Lovie Smith wants to build this team in his image, which means no character questions and no off the field distractions.

    I think the Bucs just served notice that they will not take a risk on anyone they see as a potential problem….regardless of talent level! I have always been a Mariota guy, but I am now leaning even more to thinking that the Bucs go defense or trade down! After what happened today, I just don’t see Iameis Winston as the pick! I’m starting to doubt they will even go any QB in the first round!

  32. WS99 Says:

    I for one can’t wait to see Chris Cante on the field along with Major Wright. Winning!!

  33. Tampabaybucfan Says:

    No qb in 1st

    McCoy is no longer an Eagle…..

  34. Destinjohnny Says:

    lovie the gm with get lovie the coach fired

  35. jfat Says:

    @No Qb – Shady is on the Bills now. Wouldn’t touch that trade anyway.

  36. StPeteBucsFan Says:

    I think Fowler is an awesome player. I’m an avowed homer and so I love my St.Pete guys, although sometimes they retire and eat themselves into Pillsbury Dough Boy dimensions…I’m talking to you Sean!

    I like Fowler even more than Williams because I’ve watched Fowler and he has character as in playing hard to the whistle EVERY play even when his Gators sucked.

    But neither Fowler or Williams are worth a #1 pick of the entire draft. The ONLY way that L&L could justify that is if they scored at least two more high picks by trading down and still getting Fowler.

    But I’m pretty much with the board here….Fameis or Mariota!

    Git er done!

  37. ChanEpic Says:

    Pretty funny reading the prognostications of people who barely keep up with the NFL. So a trade to the Eagles for McCoy? How exactly would that happen?

    All kidding aside the relative quiet coming out of OBP re: Free Agents is, well, getting scary.

  38. Bill Says:

    I love Winston and firmly believe he should be our pick at #1.

    With that said, I could stomach drafting MM. I see the appeal and the case for him, I just don’t agree, but I could handle it. I could also accept a “quality” trade down for an OT or DL help. Again, I doubt I would love it, but I can see the logic.

    Reaching for a DE or OT at “#1″….no, sorry. I just don’t see how that is a good move. Hopefully this is the first true smokescreen of the draft process by Tampa. I’d love to have Fowler, but not at #1.

  39. Tampabaybucfan Says:


    I’m with you except I still think they go QB….(Mariota)….because I think the Glazers have stepped in……Lovie still has their support…but he lost some autonomy when he went 2-14…..also there is Koetter….I believe he will have great input….

    Now the only reason you could be right is if Kotetter wants Glennon….and that isn’t necessarily a crazy notion…..Glennon has many characteristics of Ryan….and that would be music to Lovie’s ears if he wants a DE…..

    I think character risks rank very, vey high with Lovie Smith……he is systematically weeding out the bad actors….

  40. jfat Says:

    Think they have to go QB since they’re doing the whole dog and pony show with Mariota and Winston. Would be pretty messed up to tease the fans with a potential franchise QB, only to say “psyche” and go with a DE or trade down.

  41. ufcguy Says:

    Ill never go to a bucs game if they dont go qb. And ill call every day to obp and tell them until smith is fired ill never renew my season tickets. Screw you lovie.

  42. tgreg Says:

    And last year Johnny Football was the best thing since sliced bread! How did that work out? If you still have the mancrush on him, Joe, I am sure he can be had for a song.

  43. Kalind Says:

    I dare them. I triple dog dare them. I will leave them. No joking, no faking, I will be done with them until Lovie, and maybe even the glazers are gone.

  44. WS99 Says:

    McCoy AND Dante Fowler? Whoa! The NFCS has been put on notice. I know brees, Ryan n cam are terrified of facing fowler from the edge and Chris cunte in center field. These qbs will have nightmares for years.

  45. Bill Says:

    With regard to concern for character I think there are 2 significant points. (1) Hardy’s situation is significantly worse than Winstons. (2) It may be the case they didn’t want “Both”.

    I’m not sure if that’s true or not, but it certainly could be.

  46. WS99 Says:

    My bad joe I can’t believe I miss spelled contes name. I put a u instead of an o. My bad.

    McCoy AND Dante Fowler? Whoa! The NFCS has been put on notice. I know brees, Ryan n cam are terrified of facing fowler from the edge and Chris conte in center field. These qbs will have nightmares for years

  47. Tampabaybucfan Says:

    @ Bill

    Like most of the smoke so far….the character issue could cut both ways….they don’t want both Hardy & Winston….or they don’t want either…..

  48. Keepitreal Says:

    We live in Mayberry…. This would be a complete joke !! If Lovie Fife screws this up, I am gone!!! At least till he is.

  49. MtBucsFan Says:

    Also on the flip side of Hardy’s case. You get the how the team turned around a troubled player praise bs. Here in ‘Merica we are about second chances. Look at good old Michael Vick. Yea there would be backlash now but down the road it’d be a lot different. Given they stayed out of trouble that is lol.

  50. Reed Says:

    I don’t see us taking anything but a quarterback. Remember that the Glazers axed Chuck for, among other things, never getting the quarterback situation sorted. I do see Lovie wearing the same glasses that led so many to see Tim Tebow as a starting quarterback – if you know what I mean.

  51. WS99 Says:

    I can’t wait till the season starts (in nov) hopefully we’ll be in the playoff hunt. 2-9 is all it takes for lovie to be in the hunt. With fowler conte AND wright it’s a garuntee. Go bucs!

  52. Tom Edrington Says:

    Last season was the beginning of the end for Lovie….

    That sort of draft would only speed up his departure….

  53. Mike10 Says:

    There is no reason to believe this team will not have back to back first overall picks. Our roster is worse today than it was last year this time

  54. Bill Says:


    Completely agree, I don’t see turning away from Hardy as an “obvious” sign on how they feel about Winston. The Bucs have publicly complimented Winston…they never went that far with Hardy.

  55. Lord Cornelius Says:

    That’s literally about the single worst thing this franchise could do since I’ve been an active fan.

    But it isn’t happening.

    You don’t bring in 2 QB prospects early as f**k and put all sorts of media on your own team website; as well as tons of draft hype with polls about QBs to take; only to pass on both of them. Unles you are some kind of psychotic maniac trying to sh*t on the dreams of a city

  56. rayjay1122 Says:

    Glad I was sitting in the Brass Tap when I saw that we missed on Hardy. At least the beer was good.

  57. HarlembBuc Says:

    Soooooo spent the day getting made fun of by my boy who is a long time cowboy fan. The usual stuff, you know “bucs haven’t been to the playoffs in____ years” . “The bucs have no one” etc…

    But I waited because I thought lovie would understand a franchise changing move. But noooooope, here come lovie and the Tampa bay morality police!!! We are waiting… For what?!?!? He was here!!! We had our guy!!! Hardy was our guy and he wanted to play with gmc!!! Christmas in March Bucs Fans… But lovie and our f’in staff is too blind to see that this was the move!!!

    Good luck Bucs! Giving up on the beat pass rusher available! You guys are the best. I’m gonna enjoy hardy putting up double digit sacks on Dallas. And because lovie is a coward and our fan base is too… Let’s stop the speculation Joe… This team doesn’t have the stones to pick jameis… And since I’m not gonna root for or fan a purposely bad team so they can please a fan base stuck in the 90’s.

  58. dusthty rhothdes Says:

    No faith in the clowns running this circus… I know schiano et al are gone but there was a light at what was developing… there is no positive in anything done at one buc place… there are 3 starting OL the bucs let walk out the door with no replacements… could the bucs coaching staff be that poor as well?

  59. anthony55 Says:

    not going to ever happen famous Jameis Winston number one pick we can always reach in the second round for a good quality starting defensive end this draft class is very very deep with defensive ends this is just more bullsh** talk

  60. The original "Kevin" Says:

    How so????….did you watch him play? The guy that puts the team on his back and wins games? The guy looked lost, scared and confused? What reason is there that he performed so poorly? Just curious…didnt look like a winner to me. And again I agreed on Winston with you. Fraud? Just making a point broseph.

    If there is any arguement as to why johnny football under performed when he played, the same case can probably be made for glennon, except MG had a worse OL to work with.

  61. Jimmy53 Says:

    I would take Fowler over Mariota. Glennon is bad, but he isn’t as risky as Mariota—no matter what kind of BS folks want to spout, NO ONE knows what he can do under center and in a huddle. Way too risky, and that’s before you factor in that he folds under his pressure.

  62. bo Says:

    Joe…when you are no longer objective, you lose credibility as a journalist or whatever you are. If you want to turn this into a Jameis Winston fanpage, fine…but do not try to disguise it as a news site.

  63. Iknowmorethanlovie Says:

    If this happens, Lovie should be fired during the draft

  64. bucgator Says:

    If past character issues are so heavily involved in the decision making process this is not looking good for Winston.

  65. MariotaOrWinstonOrWalkdaPlank Says:

    Hogwash, it will be a QB, or Lovie will be out of a job, and nobody will ever hire him to be head coach ever again. He’s done nothing but make a bad team worse since he got here. Time to step up and make a move that will propel this franchise forward.

  66. BucsQcCity Says:

    I get they pass on Hardy but if they skip Winston and Mariota, I’m done with the Bucs. At this poitn I’m not even sure I’ll buy back NFL GamePass this year. I’ve not been that depressed since Schiano era

  67. Bill Says:


    I can appreciate Glennon for what he is. He’s a smart and calculated QB. He checks down, doesn’t turn the ball over, and throws the deep ball when the matchup is favorable. You can win a good number of games with a QB like that.

    What Glennon is not, is the guy who can throw into the teeth of a defense on 3rd and 13 to keep the game-winning drive alive in the 4th. Winston has the ability to do that, I can envision MM making a play in that situation….but Glennon? I don’t see it.

  68. Howard Cosell Says:

    Koetter likes The Cannon and Lovie loves him some DE.
    Lovie will take BPA which is a DE this year.
    What if?…….whatif?…….WHAT IF part of the reason Koetter
    came here was Glennon?
    The Cannon is a Schiano product. The best talent evaluator
    this team has had in a while. Certainly better than the hysterical
    QB mob.
    You have to admit, if we had gone J Footabll last year it would
    have set us back to the stone age. Instead we got Evans which
    was a frickin coup de etat by L&L.

    Take a deep breathe. Relax. Breathe out.
    Now say “Glennon is the QB of the future”.

  69. RP Says:

    You only get one shot, do not miss your chance to blow
    This opportunity comes once in a lifetime yo
    You better lose yourself in the music, the moment
    You own it, you better never let it go
    You only get one shot, do not miss your chance to blow
    This opportunity comes once in a lifetime yo
    (You better)

  70. RP Says:

    ….. draft a QB with the #1

  71. bucgator Says:

    In all honesty I feel that if they do pass on Winston then they will take Mariota. Remember now I’m a founding member of the Trade Down crowd and even I think they are going QB

  72. MariotaOrWinstonOrWalkdaPlank Says:

    @Bill, I’m not in the Glennon camp for starting QB, but do you remember the Pittsburgh game?

  73. P'cola Buc Says:

    Oh the agony! It’s just so hard to be a Bucs fan. Enduring the pain. But I like many will remain loyal….even if it means going down with the ship. Bucs fans deserve a better fate !!

  74. P'cola Buc Says:

    This off season is becoming just as disappointing as the 2-14 season was. Don’t take away our final hope of picking a QB with our number one pick. Oh Joe, say it won’t be so!

  75. Bill Says:

    @MOW (sorry, that’s a long SN man),

    I do. Possibly Glennons best game, all things considered. He took what Pitt gave him, and he’s smart enough to recognize it. I give him credit for that. Look at the play-by-play of that game. The last drive was a short field and the drive before that died with 3 strait incomplete passes from the PIT 14.

    Any QB has the ability to make a play on occasion, but if I’m a betting man…I’m not placing many bets on Glennon when times get tough.

  76. StPeteBucsFan Says:


    I do see Lovie wearing the same glasses that led so many to see Tim Tebow as a starting quarterback – if you know what I mean.

    I’m not certain what you mean Reed. Let’s see if I can guess. Since Lovie didn’t go to UF…the primary…and virtually only people who thought Tebow deserved a shot in the NFL at QB I presume you mean Christian? Or goody two shoes?

  77. Bill Says:

    I’ll add to my concern of Glennon by saying this, he has 19 starts and a really good TD-INT ratio for a young QB (29-15). Of his 19 games, “9” of them were less than 200 yards passing. One was just 90 yards, but it was a bizarre win vs the Bills (my team? lol).

    He’s had two 300 yard games, a good win at PIT, and a horrendous loss vs the Ravens.

    I see a smart, conservative, disciplined QB. I don’t see the talent I would want in my starter.

  78. StPeteBucsFan Says:


    here come lovie and the Tampa bay morality police!!! We are waiting… For what?!?!? He was here!!! We had our guy!!!

    You were had by Drew Rosenhaus! We NEVER had Hardy nor did we have a chance. Rosenhaus was virtually called out as a liar by Seattle who claimed they never had an interest in him despite Rosenhaus using his compliant buds in the media to “leak” this bogus information to drive the bargain in Dallas.

    You could say Seattle was a lot smarter than the OBP or we fans. They knew Rosenhaus was taaking a leak on all of us. If you must be p!ssed then target your stream on Rosenhaus. We NEVER had a chance at Hardy. This was slimeball Rosenhaus playing all of us.

  79. bo Says:

    I wonder if Joe Seahawks Fan posted 14 articles on Greg Hardy coming there…

  80. Reed Says:

    I’m guessing that all of our current and potential quarterbacks are Christians. Correct me if I am wrong. And if my daughter went on a date with Tim Tebow I’d be happy. Really happy. But with Tebow, there was such a hunger for a guy who was so outward with his faith that it created expectations that could not be met. At the end of the day, these are football decisions.

  81. Bill Says:

    I’m actually surprised that a team wasn’t able to make something out of Tebow. He was never going to be an every down QB, but he would have been a great piece to a cutting edge offense. I’m confident Chip Kelly or Sean Payton would have made good use of him. I guess it became his decision at some point.

  82. allIwantiswins Says:

    Please stop Glennon mob, if you don’t take a QB in the first round, this team is the same 2-14 team of last season. If you take a DE at #1, and start Glennon you’ll have the same crappy offense as last year and another 14 losses.

    We need a Winston, someone who with 5 mins left in the 4th, with us up by 2, is going to audible from Lovie’s conservative run play and toss a TD to seal a win.

    That way we don’t have to suffer watching the opposing team come back and kick a field goal to win. We need someone who is going to actually run to the first down and not dive out of bounds a yard before it like a wounded giraffe.

  83. SteveK Says:

    We are drafting Winston number one overall.

    I tried to place an order for my official, nfl, custom, Bucs #5 “Crab Legs” jersey and it wouldn’t let me. 🙁

  84. P'cola Buc Says:


    “This was slimeball Rosenhaus playing all of us”
    No one wants to have to deal with this weasel.

  85. cmurda Says:

    I suppose it’s not easy for a 2-14 team to get the interest of free agents. I would imagine the conversation goes something like this.

    Bucs: Look, we have no state income tax, we’ve got a stud QB coming in, and we are “on the verge”

    Free Agent: Um, you were 2-14 thanks, but no thanks.

    This means that instead of a Greg Hardy, we could land a George Selvie maybe. I’m happy to bring Selvie back to Tampa but there’s a huge difference between Hardy and Selvie on the field.

  86. Pickgrin Says:

    Quit worrying Joe. They are gonna take Winston.

  87. BrianDorry55 Says:

    Heads on spikes.

  88. Joe Says:

    I suppose it’s not easy for a 2-14 team to get the interest of free agents. I would imagine the conversation goes something like this.

    Bucs: Look, we have no state income tax, we’ve got a stud QB coming in, and we are “on the verge”

    Free Agent: Um, you were 2-14 thanks, but no thanks.

    Yup. And don’t forget: Who will be the quarterback? Jason/Lovie sure aren’t going to spill the beans in front of an agent.

  89. BoJim Says:

    allIwantiswins I agree. Winston would make an excellent backup to Glennon.

  90. BirdDoggers Says:

    If the Bucs aren’t taking a QB, they need to trade down. Taking a non QB with the first pick would be a huge mistake. A collection of premium picks would go a long way towards fixing the offensive line and pass rush. It wouldn’t help the QB situation, but it’s the closest consolation.

  91. FuNkYxMuNkEy Says:

    Leonard is way better than Fowler

  92. ToesOnTheLine! Says:

    Suddenly that trading down or roll with Leonard Williams at #1 scenarios I’ve been saying Lovie probably prefers doesn’t look so far fetched after all does it?

  93. Buc1987 Says:

    No worries Joe, no worries. There will be a revolt on draft day at Ray Jay if they don’t take a QB with the 1st pick and I’ll be the one to start the riot at the draft party.

    I think passing on Hardy only bodes well for the Winston PR campaign. It shows that they vetted Jameis and he’s all clear. They can play the Hardy was a monster card, but Jameis checked out fine.

    No worries Joe.

  94. ufcguy Says:

    Ill burn that building down with lovie and light in it if they take williams. I swear to god. I curse the day we hired this freaking clown of a coach. I seriously think he needs to be examined by every concussion expert out there bc clearly something isnt right in that stubborn head. Smdh. Drives me insane the decision making of this team

  95. bucs4lyfe Says:

    Lol you’re really hunting for news in a desperate way lately. I’m supposed to believe Glennon a guy who couldn’t keep josh mccown on the bench is our starter? There are teams with 2 quarterbacks on their roster better than Glennon. He would be the worst starter in the nfl and the least interesting. I’m tired of falling asleep on games because of him

  96. danati74 Says:

    Please draft hurry,..so I don’t go crazy and lose my job. We didn’t go 2-14 to not draft a QB. The Colts threw their season to grab Andrew Luck. Please tell me we did the same. Lovie please go to the basement to think this one over,…or not.

  97. defense no winston Says:

    ha ha ha I love it! welcome to tampa mr Williams or fowler! glennon is better than both M&M AND BOZO#5

  98. defense no winston Says:

    PEOPLE if glennon played the hole season even without a oline the bucs would not have the first pick.

  99. Howard Cosell Says:

    I agree.
    We should form a gang, bro.

  100. defense no winston Says:

    @howard Cosell- sounds good. but I do agree we still need another QB and these two have talent. nothing really that great in free agency. but I have been saying this for 2 months. lovie is DEFENSE first guy and not so sure he really trusts Winston I don’t ! but he is young he may turn out ok or he may not just like the rest its all a gamble.

  101. Buc1987 Says:

    Howard Cosell Says:

    “Instead we got Evans which was a frickin coup de etat by L&L.”

    Coup de etat by L&L?????

    More like a no brainer. Hell I was calling for Mike Evans 2 months before the draft last year….and pretty much every mock draft had us taking Evans.

    There was no coup de etat by L&L picking Evans in a draft that was deep with WR’s.

    Yes…you’d make a perfect fit to join a gang with defense no winston AKA mikeh AKA Meth Mike.

  102. FortMyersDave Says:

    defense no winston Says:

    “PEOPLE if glennon played the hole season even without a oline the bucs would not have the first pick.”

    Probably true: the Bucs probably could have beat the Saints in the season finale, Bungals and Carolina if Napoleon D started the second half of the season… 5-11 would have slotted the Bucs back in the draft order right behind the Jets and Deadskins thus eliminating any chance of drafting Winston and probably Mariota if the Bucs thought him worthy of being picked 6th or 7th overall as DC or the Jets would grab him first….

  103. Buc1987 Says:

    defense no winston…my apologies. I’ve never seen anyone else on this site call Winston BOZO#5 but Meth Mike…

    You’re obviously not him. You type too smart.

  104. defense no winston Says:

    ya sure BUC1987- no worries! lmfao. they are not going to take who you want they will take who they want. they don’t care what you or I think. I don’t think they even know who they are taking yet. I bet you will lose sleep over this. hahaha!

  105. defense no winston Says:

    methmike haha oh good one. you little cry baby! what you worried?lmfao.

  106. ryan Says:

    and when that doesnt happen, Matt Sinn wont own up to it and will hide behind his “sources”

  107. Buc1987 Says:

    I didn’t nickname you Meth Mike…that was another poster.

    Would you like to make a bet like I have with Erik the clean athletics guy?

    If the Bucs draft Winston you have to buy me 2 tickets to the opening game.
    If they draft anyone else or trade down, then I buy you 2 tickets.

    Sound good Mikey?

  108. defense no winston Says:

    maybe shamies is not going to draft bcause he senses the bucs are not going to take him first.

  109. Buc1987 Says:

    @Joe…I’m going to get 2 free tickets to the home opener AND a free Winston jersey.

    Joe your site is priceless…

  110. defense no winston Says:

    no thanks! you never know with lovie I think we need a QB also but I don’t trust lovie with anything.

  111. Buc1987 Says:

    Oh the hell with that trade….I’m buying season tickets after they draft Jameis anyways.

    Got to think of something else?

    Parking passes?

    Somebody give me some ideas please. I want to get something more out of this than a jersey while I still have the time.

    Hell I could rack up all kinds of goodies in the next 40 days…

  112. pick6 Says:

    we stepped away because a one year deal with a 2-14 team was only ever a desperation option for Greg Hardy. it says nothing about any other move, only that this particular move was not a possibility

  113. defense no winston Says:

    @1987 I really don’t believe the glazer boys gave lovie head coach and final say on players and such stupid move. JMO.

  114. Babaloo Says:

    I’m glad they didn’t get hardy. I think it was all hardys agent blowing smoke anyway. Whatever happened to coaching up what you have? At least the of the young guys showed promise. We will be fine. I’m tired of people manufacturing things to be mad about.

    They will draft Jameis. In the off chance they don’t it will be a defensive stud not some nobody. No way they draft marriotta at this point.

  115. IdahoBucsfan Says:

    Since the Browns picked the last QB you were breathing heavy for? lol! 😉

  116. Bill Says:

    For those who like to criticize Johnny Football…..compare his 2014 year with Mike Glennons first game. This might sound like a strange comparison, but Glennon had more passing attempts in one game than Manziel had all year.

    Look at the numbers, you’ll see both scored a TD, both threw 2 INT’s, both produced approximately 200 yards, both threw around %50, and both averaged about 5 ypa.

    Johnny did this while he was whacked up….what’s Glennon’s excuse?

    Johnny may still prove to be a bust, time will tell….but I wouldn’t bet the farm thinking you’ve heard the last of him.

  117. ToesOnTheLine! Says:

    @ Bill

    C’mon man…trying to compare a QB who showed no signs of improvement in his starts last year to Glennon’s first game (against a pretty good Cardinals team in 2013)? Glennon has proved he is NFL worthy (we can debate starter or backup, but the guy will be an NFL QB for many years barring injury). Manziel will be lucky not to flame out of the NFL completely like so many other stellar Browns QB’s taken with the #22 pick.

  118. ihateloviesmith Says:

    yes sir, I have said it and said it, lovie is the absolute worst hire, that I have seen in quite along time. this team of L&L have in my opinion have only put this team in more of a hole instead of building it up. and mark my words they will absolutely screw this draft up. I can see these guys passing on the top two QB’S and drafting an end. I do not see any positive moves they have made except drafting evens. nor do I have an confidence in lovies coaching ability. at this point thy will be lucky if they win 4 games.