“Coping With The Pass Rush”

March 4th, 2015
WinstonMariota

Marcus Mariota’s biggest learning curve?

It’s going to be hard to avoid a train wreck of a season from a Tampa Bay Buccaneers rookie quarterback in 2015.

Barring a stunning overhaul and/or improvement of the Bucs offensive line, and the revival of the impotent Tampa Bay running attack, there would be no way to avoid chaos for Jameis Winston or Marcus Mariota.

But it’s Mariota who would face a unique struggle with the pass rush, says a prominent NFL scribe.

That would be pickpocket-thwartingBucs-uniform-frowningAllie-LaForce-smittenBig-Ten-Network-hatingpedestrian-bumpingolive oil-lappingpopcorn-munchingcoffee-slurpingfried-chicken-eatingoatmeal-lovingcircle-jerkingbeer-chuggingcricket-watchingscone-loathingcollege football-naïvebaseball-box-score-readingNPR-listeningfilthy-hotel-stayingfight-instigatingbarista-training Peter King, of Sports Illustrated and NBC Sports fame.

King cranked out a very good video below, touching on many pros and cons of Mariota, from his film study and those of scouts and NFL types.

It’s worth watching. Joe also thinks it’s worth noting that Winston was knocked around quite a bit in his career behind some shaky-at-times line play, and on a bad ankle — and excess body weight — last season.

93 Responses to ““Coping With The Pass Rush””

  1. lurker Says:

    jameis christ for qb!

  2. lurker Says:

    jameis christ is walking on tampa bay to resurrect our franchise.

  3. lurker Says:

    mariota is a sack magnet despite his “athleticism”. just say no to marcus mediocre fumblotta.

  4. mikeh Says:

    ya and your boy is a INT. magnet. get a grip.

  5. lurker Says:

    (a classic)
    ——————–
    mikeh Said:
    March 4th, 2015 at 2:26 pm
    subhuman? not a word genius.

  6. LUVMYBUCS Says:

    Not a link parade here. Sorry. –Joe

  7. Yungry Says:

    Rapist!

  8. Love and Warrick Dunn Says:

    Find a new team!!

  9. Tampabaybucfan Says:

    Lets let Glennon or a FA to test the Oline first….why subject the new rookie to an experiment?

  10. Yungry Says:

    No means No!

  11. adamant Says:

    Except she never said no.

  12. Jacko101 Says:

    No to Winston, Yes to Mariota

  13. Yungry Says:

    Thief! Criminal!

  14. Love and Warrick Dunn Says:

    “Yungry Says:
    March 4th, 2015 at 5:26 pm

    No means No!”

    Either her friends, her boyfriend, the TLH Rape kit nurse, the SAO, TPD, the FDLE, the UF Chem Lab, the Governor’s office, Jameis, and his two eyewitnesses all lied, or she lied.

    I smell the desperation in here. Yungry sounds like he’s holding his breath and stomping his feet.

  15. JoeJoes Fungi Nails Says:

    If we trade down twice in the 1st round we will create a pass rush
    as well as
    neutralize the opposing defenses pass rush
    with a new young offensive line
    as MG8 drops back to pass behind “The Pewter Curtain”

  16. adamant Says:

    Give it up Yungry – Jameis didn’t rape anybody.

    and give it up JoeJoes Fungi Nails – The Bucs are not trading away #1

  17. Yungry Says:

    @Love and Warrick Dunn Says:
    I never mentioned Winston in any comment. You are assuming I am talking about your boyfriend. You what they say about assuming? Rapist was a reference to Darren Sharper pal

  18. LUVMYBUCS Says:

    This Draft reminds me of the 2006 NFL Draft Class

    Consensus Top Player
    • (2006) Mario Williams vs (2015) Leonard Williams

    Matt Leinart was coming a (34) game winning streak
    • Consensus All-American: 2004
    • Heisman Voting: 6th in 2003, 1st in 2004 and 3rd in 2005

    Jameis Winston coming a (29) game winning streak
    • Consensus All-American: 2013
    • Heisman Voting: 1st in 2013 and 6th in 2014

    Vince Young ended Matt Leinart streak

    vs

    Marcuse Mariota ended Jameis Winston

    Smh..

  19. LUVMYBUCS Says:

    Matt Leinart was coming off a (34) game winning streak
    Jameis Winston coming off a (29) game winning streak

  20. Nybucsfan Says:

    @Yungry you can say that there are FSU fans here they don’t wanna know who Shameis really is

  21. Buccfan37 Says:

    Both of these top QB’s will be pummeled into the ground by opposing defences behind the Bucs O line. I’m not against trading down for more picks, more is better and the Bucs need upgraded players at too many positions. Franchise QB’s, I don’t think these guys are it.

  22. WS99 Says:

    Luv

    I like. Nice break down. History repeats itself?

  23. MTM Says:

    FSU had a great O-line for Winston to camp out behind. Oregon not so much. Bucs fans witnessed what a bad O-line looks like last year. Either pick will struggle if the O-line doesn’t improve.

  24. WS99 Says:

    Let’s bring in Michael Sam for a workout. He can’t be any softer than the ice cream man.

  25. Deacon Blues Says:

    Spare us with his Int’s… Do me a favor any schmo who thinks his INTs matter or that MM’s TD passed matter. Look up Dan Marino’s Stats his Junior and Senior Seasons… [email protected]

  26. Ray Rice Says:

    Whoever our QB is. Hope he has some good rib pads.

  27. Broy34 Says:

    IM GONNA SAY THIS ONCE. STOP ENTERTAINING AND STATING FACTS TO PEOPLE WHO THINK A COURTROOM/INVESTIGATION DOESNT LEAVE THEIR LAPTOP. I’m more sick of reading paragraphs of people defending Jameis than I am the fools who wrongfully accuse him of anything but immaturity. Anyone who believes he raped her is stupid and you cannot fix stupid. Everyone should know that

  28. WS99 Says:

    Deacon

    They only harp on the 18 Ints but never mention his 65/32 career TD/int ratio.

  29. SuperSam Says:

    “I’ve studied a lot of him, I think Jameis Winston has a big upside in the NFL, but there are some real flaws to his game. Quite honestly, I would not take him at that No. 1 pick.

    I’m not talking about the off-the-field stuff. I have no comment on that because I’m not privy to that kind of information. But there are certainly mechanical flaws in his game that are troubling to me.
    ” Ron Jaworski http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2361411-jameis-winston-latest-news-rumors-and-buzz-surrounding-qbs-draft-stock

  30. Robert 9 Says:

    seems pretty damn simple. trade back, build the trenches and start glennon.

    neither of these guys are worth the 1st pick. they’ll both be on IR with this line lol

  31. brandonbucfan Says:

    HEY JOE_
    How come no comments about what JAWS said on PFT?

  32. SuperSam Says:

    @brandonbuc don’t worry I just posted it:)

  33. BuccaneerBonzai Says:

    Deacon Blues Says
    “Spare us with his Int’s… Do me a favor any schmo who thinks his INTs matter or that MM’s TD passed matter. Look up Dan Marino’s Stats his Junior and Senior Seasons… [email protected]

    If none of that matters, then let’s just take a QB in round 7. What? What???

  34. SuperSam Says:

    Joe doesn’t post anti Winston articles, you guys should know that lol. Only anti Mariota, that’s why I have to go to other websites to get my information, this would be my one and only bucs site if it wasn’t so one sided. Oh well.

  35. BuccaneerBonzai Says:

    Bucs need to make it seem like they want Mariota, even if they don’t. That would force the Eagles to mortgage the farm.

  36. lurker Says:

    silly luv

    your comparisons mean bo diddly squat. it is not possible compare people accurately for projection. you are grasping at straws, as usual. otherwise this “reminds me of” luck and griffen iii. winston = luck and mariota = rg3.

    see how silly this is?

  37. danati74 Says:

    I can’t to wait for the draft so I can get my WINston jersey and autographed rookie cards. Lets win Bucs.

  38. LUVMYBUCS Says:

    @WS99

    No problem brotha, just it was oddly similar. A lot of folks have forgotten that IF Matt Leinart would’ve entered the Draft in 2005. He would’ve been the consensus #1 pick.lol

  39. RickyBell Says:

    If the Bucs select Jameis then they are picking the guy who has all the tools needed to become a NFL success. If it doesn’t work my finger will be pointed at Winston not at the choice the Bucs made.

    If they pick Mariaota they are picking the guy who may have a arm but chooses to throw lollipops over the middle. He is an obvisous project and if it doesn’t pan out the Bucs will look like a bunch of idiots.

    Uh yeah pick Jamies and his talent.

  40. RickyBell Says:

    @Super Sam….This would be my one and only Bucs site if the writer didn’t write like a heckled 12 year old

  41. LUVMYBUCS Says:

    @lurker

    Not silly at all brotha. Just comparing QB’s that had Winning Streaks, Heisman’s, and National Championships. Its not like I brought up Gino Torretta or Ken Dorsey..lol

  42. Tampabaybucfan Says:

    I am now fully prepared if Winston is the choice. I will be convinced that all due-diligence has been conducted and that everyone is on board with the decision.

    It is still my opinioin, however that the on-field difference between the two QBs doesn’t warrant the risk and that the Glazers will see it that way.

    That has been my opinoin from the beginning and that hasn’t changed….however, I have warmed up to Winston somewhat.

  43. Not "The Kevin" Says:

    Yeah….just imagine if we still had our old line. I wasn’t a huge Penn fan but he always was capable. He just needed a good foot in the ass to motivate him. I didn’t think Joseph was done, he was returning from a bad injury. Zuttah….who the hell knows why we let him go….

    I still believe our Line will look better with a proven OC running things, they need improvement but I don’t think they are THAT far off. Last year was a little misleading with Arroyo in charge of the offense.

  44. RickyBell Says:

    I’m not feelin all this “risk” business with Winston. Not to dismiss that picking him comes with risk but Mariota has risk too. The dude could very easily fall into the flop category that so many other 1st round QB’s have. His skill set dictates that he comes with his own risk. Lets just put risk in perspective when we call Winston one.

  45. Erik with CleanAthletics.com Says:

    I agree that Winston is basically the new Matt Leinart. C’mon L & L & the Glazer boys, don’t be stupid and pick that clown!!!

  46. Yungry Says:

    Jamarcus 2.0!

  47. LUVMYBUCS Says:

    Combine Results for both QB’s

    Matt Leinart
    • Height: 6-5 Weight: 223
    • 40 Time: 4.90
    • Vertical Jump: 37
    • Broad Jump: 9’5″

    Jameis Winston
    • Height: 6-4 Weight: 231
    • 40 Time: 4.97
    • Vertical Jump: 28 ½
    • Broad Jump: 08’07”

    Note: *Arizona Selected: Round 1, Pick 10, Overall Pick 10 by Cardinals (Pac-12 QB)

  48. David Says:

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  49. R.O. Says:

    Bonzai.. That made zero sense. It’s still about the player.

  50. 87ForJameisNOMariota Says:

    “RGIII will be one of the greatest QB’s in NFL history”–Ron Jaworski

  51. JFF Says:

    Oh god Peter King is filming scouting videos now? I can’t stand how every reporter and jocksniffer thinks they’re now an “analyst”.

  52. Dr Feelgood Says:

    Yungry. you’re ridiculous!! You were talking about Winston, not Sharper, and YOU are the one assuming. Assuming that a girl who publicly alleges rape one year after the fact, with no charges subsequently filed, is telling the truth. And those comparing him to Matt Leinart…c’mon!! if ANYONE is Leinart, it’s mariotta!! A Pac-12 QB that won the Heisman because of the system he was in that was considered a project when he enetered the draft. That’s why he fell to #10. Just like Mariotta will do. He won’t go any earlier than #6, I promise you that. If we had the 10th pick, I’d take him. Not a hater. But the best QB prospect is Winston….period. That’s why he is #1 on all the draft boards and mock drafts. Like it or not, he’s about to be your QB of the Bucs. I can’t wait to see how silent all you haters are when he kicks ass.

  53. Mark Says:

    I would draft MM just to spurn Kelly for what he did to us. Plus he’s got tons more upside.I don’t care if Lovie gets fired. I care about wins for a long time. Not off field problems and the possibility of him leaving for baseball. Given the right direction Marcus has proved he can excel.JW has too but the red flags scare me. I don’t want to have to hope for a first overall pick again in 5 years.

  54. Yungry Says:

    Dr Feelgood Says:

    March 4th, 2015 at 7:45 pm
    Yungry. you’re ridiculous!! You were talking about Winston, not Sharper, and YOU are the one assuming.
    ———————————————-

    Some of you Winston people are idiots! I never even mentioned Winston’s name 1 time until now. I said Rapist! that could mean Cosby, Sharper or whoever/whatever you want it to. So actually YOU assume and need to learn how to pay attention to details. STOP PUTTING WORDS IN MY MOUTH…

  55. Yungry Says:

    ***Breaking News*** Winston’s jockstrap is on EBAY right now, place your bid now!

  56. lurker Says:

    “Its not like I brought up Gino Torretta or Ken Dorsey..lol”

    gino f’king torretta lol

  57. lurker Says:

    never cared for matt leinart, mark sanchez, matt barkley
    also, i thought usc was a system that made those qb’s look better
    (but maybe i was biased since i was annoyed with all the usc love…lol)

  58. lurker Says:

    i prefer winston but think mariota will do ok. we need one of these 2, though and not a trade down.

  59. Dr Feelgood Says:

    You said it in the context of an article about the QB prospects, NOT about Cosby or anyone else. You are f**king child. grow up! Tell your parents to give you more “night night time”, fluff the sofa pillows, and dust your Farrah Fawcett poster while you live in their house until you’re 80. You’re a loser , dude. Quite pathetic. So, if Joe writes an article about Nelson Mandella, I am sure you will claim that he is a criminal and piece of crap. YUNGRY IS A RAPIST!! Tell the world!!

  60. Joe Biased Fan Boys Says:

    Hey, D-bag. Don’t insult Joe here. Joe will share all things interesting, as Joe always does. And Joe takes great pride in being biased. It’s called opinion. Journalism has thrived on it since the 1800s.–Joe

  61. Dr Feelgood Says:

    You said it in the context of an article about the QB prospects, NOT about Cosby or anyone else. You are f**king child. grow up! Tell your parents to give you more “night night time”, fluff the sofa pillows, and dust your Farrah Fawcett poster while you live in their house until you’re 80. You’re a loser , dude. Quite pathetic. So, if Joe writes an article about Nelson Mandella, I am sure you will claim that he is a criminal and piece of crap. YUNGRY IS A RAPIST!! Tell the world!! Those were your words. Own them, or don’t say them, little man!

  62. MTM Says:

    The FSU homers still seem to be butt hurt over the curb stomping Oregon laid on Famous Jameis. Mariota being picked over Winston would just bring back too many memories of what could have been. Too soon.

  63. Yungry Says:

    @Dr Feelgood Says:
    ——————

    Its okay if you have reading comprehension problems. A lot of people suffer with this difficult task. Your local high schools should have GED classes or a tutor to help you understand what is written. I never said Winston was a rapist, you attached your boyfriend’s name to the label rapist. Not me! I will call him a thief though because it was on tape and there was an admission of guilt. I know you are mad but you only have to post your comment once. I know how to understand the English language after reading things 1 time. But, since you have a learning disability I can post twice to help your comprehension problems.

  64. IStillbleedOrange Says:

    You know, when it gets to the point where the so called “Journalists” running the site start calling their readers “D-Bags” and “taking pride in being biased”…(are you frakking kidding me?) then it’s time to seriously reflect on why the hell am I even spending my valuable time on this site. A little bit of tease fluff to draw the views of Bucs fans who are bored during the long off-season, and dozens of off-colored comments hurled at each other behind the anonymity of the internet, because I know none of you have the brass to walk up to each other’s face and say half the bile you spit out.

    It gets old, very fast. That’s “my opinion”. I’m out.

  65. BoJim Says:

    Not “The Kevin” Says:

    I still believe our Line will look better with a proven OC running things,
    __________________________________________________

    Yeah but you forget who still coaches the oline. 😉
    ___________________________________________________

    Yungry. We KNOW what you’re saying. You’re back tracking and a moron.

  66. BK Says:

    Well said Orange…

  67. drfeelgood Says:

    At 5:23 you typed Rapist. Nothing else. There is no interpretation issue. Interpret this. I am a doctor. I have far more education than you ever will, and you are a loser. A pathetic piece of crap that accuses because the media says so. If you e ever gotten laid, it must have been rape, because no one would ever dream of intimacy with a low life like you. You are Yungry for love. Go cuddle your parents in their bed again tonight. Try not to piss on them in your sleep. Go Bucs! F&ck idiots!

  68. Yungry Says:

    drfeelgood Says:
    March 4th, 2015 at 10:21 pm
    At 5:23 you typed Rapist. Nothing else. There is no interpretation issue.
    ——————————————————————————–

    I never said there was an interpretation issue, I said possibly a reading comprehension issue. There is a difference. When you image words that exist when they do NOT exist you possibly could have a problem. Its nothing to be ashamed of. Unlike you I won’t call you names because I don’t assume things about others. So anytime you wan to be schooled let me know. I DID say Winston was a thief. I never said he raped someone.

  69. lurker Says:

    ” Unlike you I won’t call you names because I don’t assume things about others.”
    @yungry
    yes you have, winston. deny all you want the posts and implications are there, silly person.

    merriamwebster.com
    imply
    : to express (something) in an indirect way : to suggest (something) without saying or showing it plainly

    so you do not need to type it out. drfeelgood doesn’t need to “image” (sic) the words that exist or do not exist.

  70. drfeelgood Says:

    Your replies continue to embarrass yourself. When you say “thief” you’re calling him a thief, but when you say “rapist”, you aren’t calling him a rapist. This game has been fun. Now please go get a life.

  71. lurker Says:

    by the way doctor of whatever, your “education” does not make you an expert in any field, much less in the field of your study. just thought i’d let you know.

  72. Yungry Says:

    Definition of assume: to think that something is true or probably true without knowing that it is true-sound familiar?

    I never mentioned Winston’s name in the same sentence as a rapist or any other sexually-related matter at all. If I had said Winston was/is a rapist I could understand your point. Please copy/paste verbatim what I wrote that ever said that Winston raped anyone.

  73. lurker Says:

    yungry, you are being dense or silly, and either is a waste of my time, right now. there is no stretch of the “image” (as you like to say) that if you say rapist, what is implied. if you do not know the definition of imply, it is above. your backtracking does not matter to me now. most on here know what was stated and implied.

  74. Phillip Says:

    @Luv

    Just because people were all hot and heavy for Leinart the year before he came out doesn’t mean he would have been the top pick.. Hello Teddy Bridgewater and Brady Quinn.. Scouts would have still found flaws in his game like they did whether he came out the year before or not..

    Off topic..

    Do any of the Winston haters or apologist’s say anything other than the same thing in every article about him? It’s got to get old defending him or trashing him constantly.. The constant articles on the QB situation are old and we are just under 2 months away from the draft (I know its the most important position and I’m in the draft MM with the 1st pick group btw).. Looks like I’ll be visiting BN more in the future to get away from the horrible comments allowed on here trashing each other constantly.

  75. Yungry Says:

    Take my words out of context if you want. I never said “image” either so again please stop making up these false allegations. Yeah I said it. I said “imagine” which refers to seeing words that do NOT exist like rapist and Winston in the same sentence. We are beating a dead horse. So please have a good night and GO Bucs #1

  76. White Tiger Says:

    If you’re foolish enough to try to force Russell Wilson into a system he’s never played…don’t be surprised with sacks. You’d be a fool to do that.

    It would be just as foolish to force Kid Fameis into Seattle’s, San Francisco’s, Carolina’s, or Philadelphia’s offense…he’d be a sack machine.

    This is a stupid construct – I don’t accept that the Bucs are ONLY considering a drop back WCO system…

    I’ve heard Bill Polian, Bill Walsh and Gil Brandt all say how you DO NOT force the talent into the system, you adapt the system to the QB.

    Once John Beason or Ndamukong Suh type rushers start teeing up on ol’ slow-footed Kid Fameis (and don’t talk about ‘escapability’ – Eli is faster than this guy, had a better 3-cone, and SS…the first time he’s buried after a Anthony Collins or Demar Dotson “WATCH OUT” block form his blindside…he’s going to hear foot steps for the rest of his career. You’re going to see that there’s a HUGE difference between a bad offensive line in college, against defenders in the ACC…and a bad offensive line with the fastest defenders on Earth.

    Any of you who think that Kid Fameis is going to produce wins in the NFL, this season, behind THIS offensive line – and without the benefit of a run game – are dillusional. No doubt you’ll all have excuses about how Koetter or Lovie, or Licht, didn’t do enough to make Kid Fameis successful.

    Here’s a clue. there will be a lot of disillusioned Bucs fans if Kid Fameis doesn’t win..and we won’t be aiming it at Lovie, Licht, or Koetter.

    No way this kid is going to be successful until AIN’T they draft this unbelievable, “once-in-a-lifetime” QB, a Left Tackle who’s just as expensive as Kid Fameis is now…which means we’ll have to a lot more losing…

  77. lurker Says:

    Yungry Said:
    March 4th, 2015 at 11:27 pm

    “Take my words out of context if you want. I never said “image” either so again please stop making up these false allegations.”

    —————————————————–
    and yet, your previous post i quote next shows i am correct.
    —————————————————–

    Yungry Said:
    March 4th, 2015 at 10:48 pm

    “I never said there was an interpretation issue, I said possibly a reading comprehension issue. There is a difference. When you image words that exist when they do NOT exist you possibly could have a problem. Its nothing to be ashamed of. Unlike you I won’t call you names because I don’t assume things about others. So anytime you wan to be schooled let me know. I DID say Winston was a thief. I never said he raped someone.”

    ——————————————————–

    ouch. don’t assume you said “imagine”. there is no implying necessary. the image is right there for all to see. smh

  78. loggedontosay Says:

    Yungry Says:
    March 4th, 2015 at 5:42 pm
    @Love and Warrick Dunn Says:
    I never mentioned Winston in any comment. You are assuming I am talking about your boyfriend. You what they say about assuming? Rapist was a reference to Darren Sharper pal

    Exactly how dumb are you?

  79. bucs4lyfe Says:

    No the train wreck is what we endured last year but no one here could say that with the addition a real coordinator the offense will be worse with either of those guys even with the exact same o line. I see is actually having a play caller that knows how to house and assist to his teams weakness

  80. Yungry Says:

    Are you implying that I am assuming? Lol
    ———————————————–
    If you are condemning me for judging another I don’t know, and you do the same. Wouldn’t that make you a hypocrite?
    ———————————————–
    Hypocrite:a person who acts in contradiction to his or her stated beliefs or feelings
    ———————————————–
    lurker Says:
    March 4th, 2015 at 11:19 pm
    yungry, you are being dense or silly,
    ———————————————–

  81. Yungry Says:

    Rapist!! Rapist!! Rapist!!

  82. Yungry Says:

    (Sharper)

  83. lurker Says:

    the thing is, i never said i wasn’t judging, you stated that. i was pointing out your errors. so no, that would not make me a hypocrite.

    you got taken to school (on the short bus). it’s ok. learn from it and grow.

    🙂

  84. professor lurker Says:

    class dismissed!

    (right thread this time)

  85. White Tiger Says:

    It doesn’t matter – this isn’t about FSU fans taking NON-FSU fans to school over words in their post. You want that, go start your own blog.

    This particular article only applies if you KNOW the Bucs are going to run “Pro-Style” (i.e., West Coast Offense) offense…and ONLY if the team that drafts Mariota pans to force him into the wrong offense.

    I predict that the team that drafts Marcus Mariota will NOT force him into a legacy “Pro-Style” system you FSU fans insist only Kid Fameis is ready to run at the next level.

    No, Mariota will go the next team that will convert to the offensive model that saw San Francisco and Seattle to 3 Super Bowls, allowed Cam & Carolina to win our division, and Philly to produce the 4th most productive offense in the NFL (2nd in the NFC), while utilizing NICK FOLES as their starting QB…

  86. lurker Says:

    enjoy your wrong opinion.

    ps i am not an fsu fan, you silly tiger.
    pps enjoy your frosted flakes

  87. Yungry Says:

    Do you really transform from lurker to professor lurker? lol, you are the troll king…That is really pathetic lmaO!

  88. yungry's mom Says:

    to yungry: don’t forget your helmet again dear.

    now sing with me…

    “the wheels on the short bus go ’round and ’round
    ’round and ’round, ’round and ’round.”

  89. Yungry Says:

    Ref-tossing, squirrel-shooting, coach-yelling, soda-stealing, seafood bandit, alleged rapist, profanity laced, losing-to Mariota, interception machine, Leftwich winding, slower than Glennon, Inconsistent statistics, regressing, Jamarcus 2.0, Jimbo product failing…Winston=thief=criminal=truth

  90. lurker Says:

    want some peanut butter, yungry?

    cause you sure seem jelly.

  91. Paul Doss Says:

    “Even a child makes himself known by his doings. Whether his work be
    pure, and whether it be right.” Prov.20:11

    When in doubt, follow scripture. ……….PD

  92. Nole on Sat.-Bucc on Sun. Says:

    Paul Doss are you familiar with the conference of nicea?

  93. lurker Says:

    there is no doubt paul. just read aesop’s fables. the bible is just the same, good stories teaching morals.