Buzzing About Jameis
February 22nd, 2015
Jameis Winston haters, minds bolted shut, always scream at Joe for not preferring the Bucs draft Marcus Mariota. ‘
Joe’s reasons are twofold:
1) Virtually every person Joe has spoken to that is either currently or formerly employed by an NFL personnel department, claims Winston is a better quarterback. No more complex than that. That has really reinforced what Joe has seen with his own eyes.
2) The bust rate for spread-option quarterbacks in the NFL is significant. They scare the hell out of Joe.
If NFL types sang a different tune to Joe, then Joe would likely be marching in the Mariota Band. Joe remembers talking to an NFL scout at the East-West Shrine Game practices. And said scout told Joe that Winston would “knock it out of the park” in interviews, and that Winston was a “football mensch.”
It appears the scout’s first point is coming true, per the fingertips of Woody Cummings of The Tampa Tribune, and veteran NFL insider Mike Freeman of Bleacher Report.
No one’s gone on record yet, but the buzz here at the scouting combine is that Jameis Winston is killing it in the interviews.
— Roy Cummings (@RCummingsTBO) February 21, 2015
To say Winston is doing incredibly well in combine interviews is a dramatic understatement. — mike freeman (@mikefreemanNFL) February 21, 2015
Of course, there is a long, long way to go before the NFL draft — 10 weeks in fact. And the free agency dinner bell is scheduled to ring in 16 days. It feels like the draft is as far away as the Fourth of July.
If Winston knows an NFL offense so well, and clearly ran a pro-style offense so well in college, then why gamble with Mariota? It just doesn’t add up to Joe.
February 22nd, 2015 at 11:43 am
My only reservation with Wniston has been off the field baggage following him to the Bucs however, IF he can take the next level seriously and grow up then I think he probably is the best choice. Mariota may be a little safer but Winston sure is charismatic and is like a spark plug and GOD knows the Bucs offense needs some spark. I hope he can be coached up to take a little better care of the ball though. I will be happy with either QB though but Winston is impressing me.
February 22nd, 2015 at 11:44 am
Wow! Another ‘Jameis’ article! I wonder what the percentage of articles here focus on Jameis. Damn Joes! you are sure pushing the envelope when it comes to “professional journalism”.
You could at least TRY to make the articles a little more widespread about the other 8 or so positions we need to fill. Instead we get maybe two or three “Team” articles to 10 Jameis articles.
Maybe I shouldnt tell you how to write because you don’t tell me how to build houses but those are my feelings
February 22nd, 2015 at 11:45 am
I agree fully. I like Mariota and gained a lot of respect for him this weekend but as long as the off field things are looked into and determined not to be a recurring thing then Winston has left little doubt that he is the better QB of the two. I think Mariota will be good to. DEs are looking really good. As long as we dont trade down to far we cant go wrong with whatever we do. But damnit I hope we take Winston!!
February 22nd, 2015 at 11:47 am
Smart people know what suspended means! Smart people know what an MRI is and not everyone gets one!
NE won the Superbowl running the spread! They lose if they are under center the whole game.
February 22nd, 2015 at 11:50 am
2) The bust rate for spread-option quarterbacks in the NFL is significant. They scare the hell out of Joe.
There you have it Joe. That’s why I think he might be the bust regardless of what you or any analyst says out there. That’s actually my #1 reason. My #2 is he looks more meek compared to Cam and Cam is always hurt. RGIII and Cam in my opinion looked better in college than Mariota.
Although Cam has had an OK career so far, he is hurt all the time. RGIII…well his career is over as far as I’m concerned.
I’ve never been a fan of running QBs. Hell Randall Cunningham was hurt all the time too. Michael Vick anyone?
Those NFL LB’s will kill you.
February 22nd, 2015 at 11:54 am
Louis Riddick
@LRiddickESPN
Mariota absolutely killing it in combine interview process. Told he is as/more impressive than R.Wilson was, which is significant.
https://twitter.com/LRiddickESPN/status/568446982701719552
February 22nd, 2015 at 11:55 am
Since the Daytona 500 is today I am going to use a car analogy. Some people are just hard core Ford, Chevy or foreign car lovers. You can’t get them to change their minds on what they prefer and can only just respect everyone’s right to their own opinion. Then some people just like good cars and have owned foreign and domestic and that is the group I fall into. I feel like this QB debate is like that. Some fans are hard-lined on their stance and will not be swayed. I just want the best QB available regardless of if it is Winston or Mariota.
February 22nd, 2015 at 11:58 am
On a side note, Jonny Manziel did well in interviews last year as well, and we know how that turned out. The combine is Winston’s chance to fully pull the wool over people’s eyes.
February 22nd, 2015 at 11:59 am
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Wow 87. You used to be one of my favorite commenters. Now you are making up names to call Mariota when you incessantly get mad when people do that to Winston. You are really slipping bro.
February 22nd, 2015 at 12:01 pm
@87ForWinstonNOMariota
I have never really been a fan of RGIII, but to say his career is over is hogwash.
If he goes to a new team, even one where a starter is already in place, he can turn things around. He has the talent, he just needs to discipline and commitment.
February 22nd, 2015 at 12:01 pm
@rayjay. Nice analogy. I feel the same way after watching both of them this weekend. I was in the trade down crowd. Now Im in the undecided crowd. Never been there before. Both were impressive.
February 22nd, 2015 at 12:01 pm
Welcome to Tampa Jameis Winston
February 22nd, 2015 at 12:02 pm
@knuckledragger
I mentioned that very same thing the other day. ’87 was once a pretty good commenter, but his desire to fit in with the crowd seems to have warped his takes of late.
February 22nd, 2015 at 12:05 pm
@Bonzai. Let’s hope he comes back to us more like he was after the draft regardless of who we draft. We are all actually brothers in a sense.
February 22nd, 2015 at 12:06 pm
Of course both of these top two rated QB’s want to be the first overall pick in the draft. That spot brings the big money and the associated expectations of greatness and a can’t miss outlook from teams and fans alike. The waiting is the hardest part. The Bucs have one shot to get that pick right. What else can Bucs fans hope for besides making that pick a winner?
February 22nd, 2015 at 12:06 pm
rayjay….I’ve always maintained that I’m a Buc fan first, and a Nole second.
I want what’s best for the Bucs. I’ve waited FAR too long for a franchise QB. Some on here have said that neither of them are, but I want to find out if they are right or wrong.
I can 100% say that being a Noles fan has nothing to do with my preference.
Running QB’s scare the living crap out of me and I don’t mean for our defense.
How many times have the Bucs faced a running QB and you or I were screaming at the TV for some LB to knock his block off? That’s what you’re going to get when you have a running QB.
Something just tells me that Winston approaches his position differently than Mariota though. You could see it in the interview with the 2 of them. Mariota just seems like a guy that knows he’s good and he just has to go out and do his job. Winston on the other hand will always have a chip on his shoulder. He’s very cocky and confident. I also would much rather have Winston in the huddle with the game on the line than I would Mariota. He’s got that fire and charisma that’s needed in a huddle.
February 22nd, 2015 at 12:08 pm
C’mon 87. Don’t skip the issue here. WHY are you calling Mariota names?
You hate it when people do it to Winston. Are you reverting to your elementry days?
February 22nd, 2015 at 12:08 pm
87
Is that you on the far left with the white shirt? Haha lol.
February 22nd, 2015 at 12:09 pm
I think both guys killed it at the combine. From what I read about Mariota, he came off like Russell Wilson in his interviews, and his combine results were terrific, both the measurable stats and the throwing. He looked a bit more muscular as well, which will help him in the pro game.
Winston also was fantastic; charismatic, threw the ball well, and had amazing interviews based on what I’ve read and heard on NFL Network. His 40 and some other measurable stats were mediocre, but that’s not alarming, as a lot of pocket passers run subpar 40’s.
All in all I think the two guys really did themselves a favor by going all out at the combine. Both have potential to be star players, which adds pressure to the Bucs to get the pick right. If Tennessee is serious about not picking a QB, they better auction off the second pick, because I can’t see how either of these guys fall out of the top five or six in the draft.
February 22nd, 2015 at 12:10 pm
Very well said Bucfan37
February 22nd, 2015 at 12:10 pm
Ha ha ha….what’s wrong with Marinara?
Some people really love Marinars sauce.
Bonzai I’ve stated numerous times that I wanted the Bucs to draft Winston way back when, since 2013. So I never got in with any crowd. I was all by myself for awhile.
I never thought they would ever have a chance to get him. Hell I wanted them to trade up for him if he came out in the draft.
February 22nd, 2015 at 12:10 pm
I was all about Perryman until I saw He-Man aka Vic Beasley. Actually I think he looks more like battle-cat.
February 22nd, 2015 at 12:12 pm
The combine is Winston’s chance to fully pull the wool over people’s eyes.
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You say you arent judging Winston but then you say moronic crap like that. LMAO. Keep telling yourself you arent judging him. LMAO. Give people slack and they’ll hang themselves. I just hope people are smart enough to see through the BS that people like you continue to spew.
February 22nd, 2015 at 12:13 pm
@rayjay1122
How is Mariota a safer pick??? a risk is risk whether its off the field or on the field.. With JW sure they may be some off field risk but i do know for the most part what im getting on the field and its the better of the 2.. Mariota is a great kid sure, but what am i getting on the field at the NFL level?? Football is played on the field so thats where my lean goes to JW..
But don’t get me wrong if they go with Mariota ill be in 100% support
February 22nd, 2015 at 12:14 pm
@87. Whatever bro. I hate to see you stoop to name calling though. It makes you look like those other fools that hang out here.
February 22nd, 2015 at 12:14 pm
@knuckledragger
I know the feeling bro. I never really was in the trade down camp however I have swayed back and forth between Winston and Mariota. Now I am in the just pick one of the two crowd and this is the happiest I have been since debating this. I feel confident that I will be happy after we make our pick at this point. I just hope they do not trade down because we really need to address getting a franchise QB and I am not sold on any due to be in next years draft and as we all know, since Brees, there has not been a franchise QB hit free agency.
February 22nd, 2015 at 12:14 pm
WS99
LOL nope…but here’s me in 2013 at the Panthers game. Not the dude all done up with face paint either. The one wearing the Sapp jersey. Good thing I covered up my ugly mug.
http://sports.cbsimg.net/images/blogs/Buccaneers-Fans.400.jpg
February 22nd, 2015 at 12:15 pm
“BuccaneerBonzai Says:
February 22nd, 2015 at 11:58 am
“The combine is Winston’s chance to fully pull the wool over people’s eyes.”
That’s one take. Another is that it’s his first opportunity to let NFL execs see who he’s always been vs. vs how he’s been portrayed in the media.
February 22nd, 2015 at 12:16 pm
Coming from someone who didnt want us to draft a QB I must say that Winston looks like Phillip Rivers and Mariota is a Russell Wilson clone that is 5 inches taller and faster. BOTH will be great NFL QBs ON the field. I don’t own a crystal ball about Off the field issues but the writing is on the wall about what both can do on the field
February 22nd, 2015 at 12:17 pm
I have that sign on a wall in my Buc Cave. It won’t come down until they start winning again. I keep it there as a reminder to myself NOT to buy season tickets so quickly next time.
February 22nd, 2015 at 12:18 pm
PUT IT THIS WAY!!!!!!
After this weekend I dont think there is Any way Possible for L&L to fu** this pick up. Just make it already!!!!!!
February 22nd, 2015 at 12:19 pm
Why is my comment ‘ awaiting moderation’? Too many exclamation points?
February 22nd, 2015 at 12:19 pm
Winston’s slow 40 was probably the biggest surprise for me personally…
I knew he wasn’t a burner but 4.9…that said, I’m not worried about it; he looks faster than that in games…What impressed me most was his Arm, his Football I.Q., and his Confidence/Charisma…these attributes are more important for QB’s than 40 times…
Imo JW should be the #1 pick but if they decided to go Mariota I wouldn’t be mad either…I think both of these guys can be successful in the NFL…Winston just seems to have the shorter learning curve…
February 22nd, 2015 at 12:20 pm
Oooops I accidently typed a dirty word.
Repost without the dirty word.
PUT IT THIS WAY!!!!!!
After this weekend I dont think there is Any way Possible for L&L to MESS this pick up. Just make it already!!!!!!
February 22nd, 2015 at 12:20 pm
87
Becareful b4 you get labelled a troll. A fair weather fan. An idiot that should not breathe the same air as, well you know who.
February 22nd, 2015 at 12:20 pm
If anything scares me about Mariota it’s this
http://tam.scout.com/story/1519909-mariota-has-to-re-learn-calling-plays
hopefully Joe will let link through
February 22nd, 2015 at 12:22 pm
@Josh P
You are absolutely right. A risk is a risk. We just have to take that gamble on one of the two. Nothing ventured nothing gained, right? I wish We could combine the best attributes of each and have one super prospect but I am just happy to have a shot at two very good prospects.
February 22nd, 2015 at 12:22 pm
Winston should and will most likely be the pick. The Bucs should benefit greatly from his leadership. For all the posters sick of all the winston posts, get used to it or get out. Every football player that has been asked to choose between the two all have chosen Winston. He’s got that “it” factor that players gravitate to. I think Mariota is a great athlete and nice kid, but being nice doesn’t win you football games.
February 22nd, 2015 at 12:23 pm
@OneBuC55
Just go watch the tape of him running down field throwing blocks… 40 times doesn’t show quickness or instinct/awareness.
February 22nd, 2015 at 12:25 pm
Shameis made a nice trip to an elementary. Thank goodness those kids helped him expand his vocabulary!
Stuck in quicksand is slower than Cannon! What the hell does go 50-1 with VJax in little league mean?
February 22nd, 2015 at 12:25 pm
Did anyone watch the video of Winston diagramming a play with Mooch? The guy just knows football. For all the athleticism that MM has it is just scary to realize that he almost certainly would have no idea how to do that. He has never had to do that.
February 22nd, 2015 at 12:26 pm
@WS…………….Who snapped the Pic? Man I miss going to games. I didn’t miss a home game for the first 20 years. Ive only been to about 12 at Ray Jay though
February 22nd, 2015 at 12:26 pm
What I was most impressed with I winston basically saying “yo I play FB part-time and still won a heisman, a national title and went 28-1. Imagine what I’ll accomplish when I commit to football full-time.” That’s pretty amazing to me. The kid has so much room for growth. Put him next to Glennon and I think we have a great core of qbs for the next decade. It’s like when Professor X and magneto work together. Brains and brawn, they can’t be stopped.
February 22nd, 2015 at 12:28 pm
Eddie Haskell and the Fonz used to kill it too and yet stuff that needed ‘splaining just kept happening…
February 22nd, 2015 at 12:28 pm
Oh snap………….Sorry WS. I misread the post. That was 87 in the pic.
February 22nd, 2015 at 12:30 pm
There saying the same thing about Marcus Mariota, he graded even higher than Russell Wislon. Why isn’t that posted on here JOE? Oh wait, it’s a lopsided race I forgot sorry
February 22nd, 2015 at 12:38 pm
Carlstoe
Watch the full segment if you can. He said he hopes he throwing the ball to vjax for a TD. He also said he loves to win and went 50-1 in little league.
February 22nd, 2015 at 12:38 pm
No said shameis isn’t good on the field it’s off the field he he is a train wreck. Believe it or not some people still have morals. Some people want to take there family to games or watch it together on Sunday. With the accused rape aside he is still a idiot and if my kids acted like him I would be ashamed. So what better way to teach kids morals than pay him millions
February 22nd, 2015 at 12:40 pm
They must by grading on a curve or have really dumbed it down for him.
February 22nd, 2015 at 12:42 pm
87ForWinstonNOMariota Says:
I can 100% say that being a Noles fan has nothing to do with my preference.
Running QB’s scare the living crap out of me and I don’t mean for our defense.
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Flying pigs…..
February 22nd, 2015 at 12:44 pm
Not everyone feels like that Jason Garrett said it’s clear Mariota is the best QB and on NFL website right now a scout said I don’t even know how you let a guy like that in your building
February 22nd, 2015 at 12:49 pm
Is it just me or was the RB class uncharacteristically slow this yr?
Fastest was 4.43. Melvin Gordon was 5th with a 4.52, same as Mariota.
February 22nd, 2015 at 12:53 pm
The old anonymous Scout report… give me a break.. clearly this so called anonymous scout has a personal opinion on Winston and has nothing to do with off the field or on the field.
Never put to much stock in an anonymous source..
February 22nd, 2015 at 12:54 pm
Go to bucs.com and check out their scouting report on Winston n mariotta.
February 22nd, 2015 at 12:56 pm
Never put to much stock in an anonymous source..
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I never put too much stock in Any source this time of year. 99% of it is spoon-fed lies.
February 22nd, 2015 at 12:56 pm
thx 99. On my way now.
February 22nd, 2015 at 12:58 pm
Should just focus on players we might take after Jameis.
He is s done deal.
February 22nd, 2015 at 12:59 pm
@ carlstoe.
New england does not run a spread offense. Just because you are in a shotgun does not mean its the spread. Another statement made up to try and support mariotta. A declaration like that is why people laugh at tampa fan.
February 22nd, 2015 at 1:00 pm
“If he goes to a new team, even one where a starter is already in place, he can turn things around. He has the talent, he just needs to discipline and commitment.”
One would assume that a 1st overall pick should be established as a ‘superstar’ by this point. That, in itself, paints him in a bad light. In addition, my take is that you’re saying he can get with a new team, and turn things around. Really, how often does that happen, with a QB? Did Freeman, did Ryan Leaf? The Saints QB comes to mind, but then he was hardly a ‘failure’ in San Diego, as I recall. I think a few teams might try to resurrect RG3’s career, but’s like betting on # 31, at the Roulette table, you COULD win, but it gonna happen often.
February 22nd, 2015 at 1:01 pm
@knuckledragger
touche…
February 22nd, 2015 at 1:01 pm
Im on Buccaneers.com and all I see is “combine workouts: QBs show their strengths.
February 22nd, 2015 at 1:01 pm
87ForWinstonNOMariota Says
“Bonzai I’ve stated numerous times that I wanted the Bucs to draft Winston way back when, since 2013. So I never got in with any crowd.”
I wasn’t actually talking about your support of Winston. You’re entitled to that. It’s the way you speak these days. It’s a bit more hateful.
I remember a time when you took a lot of flack for your support of Josh Freeman. Your support was justified, regardless of what others said. But now you’ve taken on the same commenting habits as those who attacked you.
Josh Freeman was not an elite quarterback, as we all know, but he had plenty of potential and showed positive signs. His collapse happened over the span of a year, and I, for one, believe it had to do with mental illness.
The things is, back then, you never would have called people or players names.
Now, I’m perhaps in no place to judge, but it is my observation, and others have taken note as well.
You held my respect at one point, and I even supported your opinions. I’d like to believe that person is still there, even if our opinions differ.
February 22nd, 2015 at 1:02 pm
I guess we should just be thankful that we are not hearing the cries for TB to draft Johnny Football like last year. Right Joe?
February 22nd, 2015 at 1:02 pm
I smell desperation
February 22nd, 2015 at 1:02 pm
Everything that is being talked about Mariota is “potential”, which when it comes to NFL Qb’s is a four letter word. Mariota seems like a nice guy and a good athlete, but his demeanor reminds me way too much of Freeman. Wouldn’t say sh!t if he had a mouth full of it. The Bucs need some fire on the offensive side of the ball and Winston has all sorts of that.
If the off field stuff for Winston checks out and it comes down to a pure football decision and who looks like they are going to be a better pro Qb, then its not even a competition. Winston runs away in a landslide. In my mind it’s probably a 90% certainty that Winston is the pick and the other 10% would be for the best edge rusher in the class, not Mariota.
February 22nd, 2015 at 1:06 pm
Knuckle
Try last nights post. I c/p it there. It’s like comment #348 + #349. In summary they gave Winston an A and mariotta an A-
February 22nd, 2015 at 1:06 pm
Bonzai bringing the Straight Up Intervention to our brother!!
Come back to us 87
February 22nd, 2015 at 1:11 pm
WS99 Says:
February 22nd, 2015 at 1:12 am
Combine: Winston’s Workout Report
February 21, 2015 08:38 PM | Joe Kania
Buccaneers.com/news
“GRADE: A
OVERVIEW: Winston’s decision to throw at the combine proved to be a wise one. Although throwing in shorts and a t-shirt without a rush or defensive backs isn’t an exact simulation of a game, Winston put almost every one of his passes right where he wanted to. His release was shortened up from the enlongated baseball motion he sometimes reverted to and he displayed excellent footwork in his five and seven-step drops. On Thursday, it was reported that Winston had “weakness by a nerve” in his throwing shoulder, but the injury didn’t have an effect on his performance. Winston’s 40-yard dash was 10th of the 13 quarterbacks, but it’s safe to say he probably won’t be running a 40-yard straight line on Sundays. His meetings with coaches and general managers seem to have gone well. NFL analyst Steve Mariucci referred to Winston as “the smartest QB” he’s ever met with.
WHAT HE’S SAYING: “I believe I accomplished what I needed to,” Winston said. “I just came here trying to be real, be as genuine as possible.” In reference to his meetings with coaches, Winston continued, “It wasn’t tough at all. Like I said, I was being real. I wasn’t trying to put on any show or anything. I didn’t even get coached up like I should have been coached up. I took responsibility for everything and was just real.”
PASSING GRADE: A
40-YARD DASH: 4.97 Seconds
BENCH PRESS: N/A
VERTICAL: 28.5 Inches
BROAD JUMP: 8 Feet, 7 inches”
February 22nd, 2015 at 1:11 pm
So they gave Winston an A and Mariota A- based on tangibles alone ?
OK I like that.
As long as the intangibles investigation goes Winston’s way then Draft him now!
If it doesn’t then Draft Mariota now!
When the moment comes that they are Certain they want one of them they should get him a playbook now. If we make it all the way to the draft I feel that we aren’t certain.
February 22nd, 2015 at 1:12 pm
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“Wow 87. You used to be one of my favorite commenters. Now you are making up names to call Mariota when you incessantly get mad when people do that to Winston. You are really slipping bro.”
I looked back from this post & could only figure rou’re referring to his saying Mariota was ‘meek’. Everything I read about the combined QB presser was that Winston was lively , cheerful , and charmed the pants off the assembled press. And Mariota was quiet, & reserved…..sounds like meek to me.
February 22nd, 2015 at 1:13 pm
Combine: Mariota’s Workout Report
February 21, 2015 08:50 PM | Joe Kania
Buccaneers.com
“GRADE: A-
OVERVIEW: There were high expectations for Mariota in the physical tests, particularly the 40-yard dash. Still, he impressed coaches and scouts. He ran a 4.52, the fastest of any quarterback at the combine. Auburn’s Nick Marshall finished .02 behind him and Marshall is expected to play cornerback at the next level. A concern with Mariota was how he would perform in three, five and seven-step drops from under center after playing primarily out of the shotgun in college. He displayed very quick feet and was accurate on most of his throws.
WHAT HE’S SAYING: “I think I did alright,” Mariota said. “I thought that I missed a couple throws. I’m a perfectionist so I always want to try to complete every ball. I thought everyone did well today. I thought as a group, we threw well today so it was a lot of fun.”
PASSING GRADE: B
40-YARD DASH: 4.52 Seconds
BENCH PRESS: N/A
VERTICAL: 36 Inches
BROAD JUMP: 10 Feet, 1 inch”
February 22nd, 2015 at 1:14 pm
Marcus Mariota
Proved he is what he is yesterday…a silent assassin. He thinks as he plays, but he makes the throws and he does them well. I enjoyed his interview (he has been nailing the interviews, and his throwing was pretty good. He showed huge improvement regarding under center ability…still not up to Winston’s level, but has improved more quickly than anyone expected. He out performed all the other QBs on the endurance testing and all that.
Jameis Winston
Pretty much nailed the main interview as well. His passing was spot on, and even I was impressed. His endurance tests were horrible. His 40 time was worse than the fastest offensive lineman…that is soooo slow. This is of great concern to me.
Winston’s attitude is of interest to me. His record is great, with only one loss. His “This is what we do…” attitude is just what we want to see in a hungry quarterback.
That said, I have a concern. He doesn’t seem to know how to lose. While this can be a good thing so far as drive, what happens if he loses 3 games straight and the media is eating him alive? Does he have the fortitude to rise above it?
He didn’t demonstrate it at the Rose Bowl, certainly. The Rose Bowl was our only chance to see how he responded to losing, and it wasn’t pretty.
Now, some might view that as a winning attitude cultural thing, and they are right. The problem is this…even the most elite, driven quarterbacks in the NFL lose games, and they do it in a classy way. They take the blame upon themselves and they don’t point fingers at teammates.
It’s easy for his supporters to blow it off, but it is yet another clue that adds to a long list.
Honestly, I am tossed. I came into the combine completely locked on Mariota, and I still am, but Winston scored some points with me. I wouldn’t be horribly upset is he was the pick, though I don’t believe that will happen.
February 22nd, 2015 at 1:15 pm
I think they referring to 87 calling him marinara. Lol that’s just funny. No where near rapist thug stupid illiterate etc.
February 22nd, 2015 at 1:15 pm
Calling your readers names and discounting Tony Dungy, Mark Dominick, Bucky Brooks and Chris Landry I think is going a little fair with your obsession. Not to mention what is till happening with The FSU lawsuit. Kinda ridiculous to go that fair even know i like both of them and its still too close to call.
February 22nd, 2015 at 1:16 pm
Far*
February 22nd, 2015 at 1:18 pm
gotbbucs Says
“Everything that is being talked about Mariota is “potential”
Not actually true. Any props Mariota, and Winston for that matter, are getting is earned.
February 22nd, 2015 at 1:21 pm
ment to say charles davis
February 22nd, 2015 at 1:21 pm
You guys should get jobs as the Iraqi information minister.
I like and respect Marcus but it is an avalanche of opinion from football people that Jameis is the man.
Go Jaboo.
February 22nd, 2015 at 1:21 pm
I will say this…if we get Winston, I think it would be wise to get Nick O’Leary at TE as well. He’s built like a brick house, the two played together, and he has great hands.
I don’t know how we could get him when we need OL starting with our 2nd pick, but it would be a good pick.
February 22nd, 2015 at 1:23 pm
That said, I have a concern. He doesn’t seem to know how to lose. While this can be a good thing so far as drive, what happens if he loses 3 games straight and the media is eating him alive? Does he have the fortitude to rise above it?
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Excellent point as always bonzai. I have the same fear/concern. This is where his maturity will show or blow. How will he handle losing. Personally I hope he hates it and acts exactly like Thomas Brady does when he loses. Rips he unit a new one, cusses out the refs. And pisses and moans at the pc. Okay maybe pissing n moaning at the pc is a stretch in all fairness but you get my point.
February 22nd, 2015 at 1:23 pm
WS99 Says
“I think they referring to 87 calling him marinara. Lol that’s just funny. No where near rapist thug stupid illiterate etc.”
And yet, if I were to say “Jameis Whineston” after seeing his behavior in the Rose Bowl, people would be mad about it.
February 22nd, 2015 at 1:26 pm
I thought Winston’s combine performance was far inferior to Mariota’s. Some of the throws were not thrown to a spot required by the drill. For instance, on an out drill he threw the ball to the inside shoulder. This could have been a pick in the NFL. Also, on a few of the deep throws he did not lead the receiver enough because the receiver had to slow down. Again the purpose of the drill is to hit the receiver at full speed which is exactly what Mariota did. Also his athletic ability was shockingly pathetic. With that athleticism he will need to perform at a Brady/Manning level as a pocket passer to be great. I also found his cocky and arrogant attitude to be nauseating.
February 22nd, 2015 at 1:27 pm
Mariota’s quietness doesn’t concern me unless I had to fight him. Ive been around enough people that have killed to see it in his eyes. How that translates to Football we shall see. Dude is mentally capable of things most people aren’t
February 22nd, 2015 at 1:28 pm
SELF CORRECTION:
I said Winston was slower than the fastest OL man. I was wrong.
Winston was barely faster than the fastest offensive lineman, Ali Marpet, a 307-pounder who ran a 4.98-second 40 yesterday.
February 22nd, 2015 at 1:29 pm
BuccaneerBonzai Says:
February 22nd, 2015 at 1:23 pm
WS99 Says
“I think they referring to 87 calling him marinara. Lol that’s just funny. No where near rapist thug stupid illiterate etc.”
And yet, if I were to say “Jameis Whineston” after seeing his behavior in the Rose Bowl, people would be mad about it.
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Actually I think you would be called a Hater, Racist, Idiot amongst other things along with having your mother insulted
February 22nd, 2015 at 1:30 pm
@BFFL
Ball placement is a concern of mine as well.
As I have pointed out countless times in the past, Winston throws into tight windows because he makes them tight.
Mariota’s WRs were always open because the threw them open with ball placement a lot of the time.
February 22nd, 2015 at 1:31 pm
@knuckledragger
lol
Well, I’m not into nascar, so I know I’m no racist. 😉
February 22nd, 2015 at 1:32 pm
Bottom line we are all Bucs fans and should ALL be hoping they draft JAMEIS because he is clearly the best passer, leader, and is the most prepared to do what will be asked on Sundays. He has better anticipation on his throws, has a better deep ball and comands the huddle better. Has better accuracy, has won more close games, and lead 4th quarter comebacks. Only a few of those points are debatable so we should be really excited today that get to draft a player with his abilities.
February 22nd, 2015 at 1:34 pm
Actually I think you would be called a Hater, Racist, Idiot amongst other things along with having your mother insulted
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Incorrect and you are being awfully dramatic. You only get called names when you say things like you arent judging Winston but make a scouting report that lists nothing but negatives while listing nothing but positives for the other guy and then get caught saying stupid idiotic things such as
“The combine is Winston’s chance to fully pull the wool over people’s eyes.”
I’m just saying. If you say stupid things that you no are a lie. Dont get upset when you get called out on it.
February 22nd, 2015 at 1:35 pm
that you know* are a lie.
February 22nd, 2015 at 1:37 pm
And I’m not talking about you personally. Just a general statement.
February 22nd, 2015 at 1:38 pm
@ndog
Sorry, but you can’t just tell people what they should think or want. I think it is safe to say, we all want the better long term solution at quarterback.
However, It may or may not be Winston…or Mariota.
The Bucs could choose to draft OL with the first pick (god help us, because Lovie’s history with first round OL sucks), and could draft a QB in round two. As I understand it, those other two QBs are impressing as well.
February 22nd, 2015 at 1:39 pm
Sometimes I think we ALL take this a little too seriously.
February 22nd, 2015 at 1:39 pm
And when we discuss “long term”, then Jameis Winston’s off field issues must be considered. I don’t think there is a bit of doubt that the moment he gets money, a civil suit will be filed.
February 22nd, 2015 at 1:42 pm
@Couch Fan
Actually, I said that. I have pretty thick skin, but I’ll admit, it was a little unfair for me to say. I think we all say things we wish we could take back.
February 22nd, 2015 at 1:42 pm
The only things I have against mariotta is that he said he needs to learn how to huddle, call plays and work on his fundamentals like 5 step drops. His footwork is just below perfect and finally I think he’ll get crushed in the NFL trying to run the ball. Other than that I think he’s the bees knees.
February 22nd, 2015 at 1:44 pm
@Couch
I have been posting here for years under a different name. I changed my name because it showed my association with UF and I was tired of being called names and attacked because of it. I have Never called anyone a name here or slandered JW in anyway. I have been called racist, a hater, and idiot and had my mother insulted so I am not being overly dramatic one bit. Im not saying that all Winston supporters are that way but there are many out there that are worse than the Tebowites they so despised a few yrs ago. It is like water off a ducks back to me though
February 22nd, 2015 at 1:44 pm
And btw these D-Line guys are looking really good to. As long as we dont trade down were going to get a stud. Can’t wait.
February 22nd, 2015 at 1:44 pm
I think mariotta would be a perfect Edelman clone. Former qb turned receiver.
February 22nd, 2015 at 1:47 pm
@Knuck
I can understand that. There are some who are just flat out ignorant for both sides. I wont lie and say I never do it cuz I do but I make sure I have good reasons for doing it. I’m a UF fan to so I get that backlash a little bit to. Its all in good fun. I dont let none of it bother me to much. Just got to laugh it off as the stupidity it is. If you notice I am always laughing in these posts as its quite comical. Especially when you catch people in lies.
February 22nd, 2015 at 1:48 pm
To me JW most resembles Phillip Rivers and Mariota is a bigger RW with a better arm.
February 22nd, 2015 at 1:50 pm
BuccaneerBonzai Says:
February 22nd, 2015 at 1:42 pm
@Couch Fan
Actually, I said that. I have pretty thick skin, but I’ll admit, it was a little unfair for me to say. I think we all say things we wish we could take back.
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Thats very big of you. And its all good I just like giving you a hard time.
February 22nd, 2015 at 1:52 pm
Yeah Couch. I come here for the laughs. I don’t even read most of the articles anymore because Joe has become too biased and I dont enjoy reading that from a Journalist. I will start reading them all again after the draft. Until then I just come here for Some rational football talk from some here and Straight up comedy. LOL
I graduated from UF and wife graduated FSU so technically I should be very biased, especially since my wife is a vehement Jameis hater, but Im not. I just want what is best for the Bucs and I dont get paid to worry about that.
February 22nd, 2015 at 1:52 pm
I see people continually making comparisons between Russell Wilson and mariota. Interesting,im not trying to take away from his acomplishments but in my opinion Wilson is a system QB as well. The system is a top 5 defense with a top 10 run game to match. If he were ask to pass more im not sure that teams results would be the same. Wilsons strongest attribute is his smart heady play,he protects the football. If given what Wilson has,top rank defense and top rank run game I can see success for mariota. If he is ask to make reads while thowing in excess of 25 times a game I find it hard to see future success in the nfl because he struggles passing after he is force to make a second read.
February 22nd, 2015 at 1:55 pm
JOE … let Winston date your daughter but ..bucs draft the best qb M.M.!!!
February 22nd, 2015 at 1:58 pm
Well fellas I promised my son I would take him snowmobiling today so Im gonna eat lunch and head out to 12,000 feet. Bears are waking up so wish me luck.
Peace out.
February 22nd, 2015 at 1:59 pm
Joe,you keep writing those articals about Winston.I like Glennon but I don”t believe he is better than Winston.These Mariota fans must think they know more than all the scouts.9 out of 10 say Winston is better.In fact they say he will be a super star.We have to take a chance that he won”t have any more off field troubles,if we don”t we could lose a super star.I want to get out of the basement,and I’m convinced Winston is the way.Thanks,Joe. keep up the good work!
February 22nd, 2015 at 1:59 pm
Go Bucs
February 22nd, 2015 at 2:04 pm
Sorry Joe…. I’m ok with either QB, but aren’t you the guy that said Johny would save us? Just asking lol
February 22nd, 2015 at 2:24 pm
How do you know Johny wouldn”t have saved us.The jury is still out on him,it might have been different if he came here.Joe is like us,he just wants to win.
February 22nd, 2015 at 2:38 pm
Yep, could’ve, would’ve, should’ve! Yet he failed to grow up like he should’ve. Which would’ve happened on any team. I do hope the kid well! Do not get me wrong on that! It’s hard to get some kids going in the right direction, as any parent would know. But I have no faith in certain judgements on QB. Same was with Josh Freeman. Give him a team friendly contract is what Joe said. I never liked Freeman either. Hated the pick actually. My comment was based off what I’ve seen here the past couple of years
February 22nd, 2015 at 2:40 pm
Because of who the QB is forced so much everyday, is why I don’t read everything here all the time anymore. Get to hear about one guy so much…… I’d like to hear about the other just a bit, but let’s hear about the crab stealing Winston some more
February 22nd, 2015 at 2:44 pm
I just cant understand how people are missing the biggest point. From all the signs Winston is just a natural QB. If you dont think so, just look at Mooch who says ,he was the smartest QB ive ever put on the chalk board. Or Trent Dilfer during the elite 11 show told Winston ,you are amazing dude, your so smart, i cant tell you anything you dont know) Just a few examples of what im talking about. So if the bucs check him out, and he checks out ok, its a no brainer pick him and dont look back!!!!!!
February 22nd, 2015 at 2:57 pm
Again I don’t know why this is even a debate? I saw Mariota play live when they played UVA the season before last. That offense is a gimmick and should be banned. It’s like they playing on a track. He did not look at one defense(pre snap) the whole entire game he just ran to the line of scrimmage and snapped the ball. Reality is going to hit the kid like a ton of bricks at the next level. He’s just a fast guy playing qb
February 22nd, 2015 at 3:08 pm
Mariota is still my preference, Winston did impress me yesterday. After watching both of them yesterday I feel much better about both and will 100% support whomever the pick will be. I’m still bothered a bit about Winston, and it has nothing to do with off field stuff. I worry about him being coachable, I don’t like the way he goes after his coaches on the sideline. In my younger days it was completely unacceptable to do that to your coaches, it shows a lack of discipline and disrespect. Some say that’s his competitiveness showing, I say lack of respect. That’s my issue, I will support whomever the choice. GO BUCS!
February 22nd, 2015 at 3:41 pm
We don”t need to read about any other QBs.Most of us know Winston is the best.
February 22nd, 2015 at 5:40 pm
I wonder how many points Winston will get from Joe when he rapes a girl in Tampa. Joe should do some research before pimping Winston so much. There is a big difference between being cleared and being innocent. The girl will be featured in the upcoming documentary “The Hunting Ground”. It is gross how Tallahassee intimidated the girl and tried to sweep it under the rug. The movie will be coming out right after the draft. Im sure Joe will be proud of his rapist then.
Jeez, what swept under the rug? There’s been so much written, and three formal investigations with giant case files. Do you know how easy it is to get charged? They didn’t even charge him. Would recommend this, if you haven’t read it. http://www.realclearsports.com/articles/2015/02/17/new_york_times_and_jameis_winston_98148.html –Joe
February 22nd, 2015 at 6:29 pm
BuccaneerBonzai Says:
February 22nd, 2015 at 12:01 pm
@87ForWinstonNOMariota
I have never really been a fan of RGIII, but to say his career is over is hogwash.
If he goes to a new team, even one where a starter is already in place, he can turn things around. He has the talent, he just needs to discipline and commitment.
I have read several of your post, and you really do not have a relavent point of view.
February 22nd, 2015 at 6:41 pm
knuckledragger Says:
February 22nd, 2015 at 1:52 pm
Yeah Couch. I come here for the laughs. I don’t even read most of the articles anymore because Joe has become too biased and I dont enjoy reading that from a Journalist. I will start reading them all again after the draft. Until then I just come here for Some rational football talk from some here and Straight up comedy. LOL
I graduated from UF and wife graduated FSU so technically I should be very biased, especially since my wife is a vehement Jameis hater, but Im not. I just want what is best for the Bucs and I dont get paid to worry about that.
Not to pick on you, but Joe’s site is an internet personality. The person that owns the site name might not even Joe. Joe is not being bias because he uses evidence to support his opinions. Joe gives his readers free reign to post, which is more than most sites, If you want to dispute Joe’s opinion use creditable evidence like Joe does. If you can find credible evidence to dispute Joe on the Jameis Winston topic, I would be interested in reading the information.
February 22nd, 2015 at 10:53 pm
They also said that Mariota killed int in the interveiws.
Louis Riddick – Mariota absolutely killing it in combine interview process. Told he is as/more impressive than R.Wilson was, which is significant.
February 22nd, 2015 at 10:53 pm
Oregon QB Marcus Mariota is like “a better Colin Kaepernick,” said an NFL scout.
“Kid’s a good athlete,” the scout said. “I kind of like him. But he’s not a passer right now. He’s a thrower. He’s like a better Colin Kaepernick. Not that there’s anything wrong with it, but this kid is kind of quiet. He’s going to be a project the first year. But, other than Andrew Luck, all those guys are.” Mariota ran a 4.52 forty with a 10-yard split of 1.57 this weekend. You know he’ll put the time in to be a good pro,” said another scout. “That’s about as big an obstacle as there is at the position: guys that are willing to put in the time.” Feb 22 – 7:34 PM
February 22nd, 2015 at 10:55 pm
CBS Sports’ Rob Rang wrote that QBs Jameis Winston and Marcus Mariota both “dazzl[ed] with their accuracy and arm strength during quarterback drills Saturday” and added it is “growing increasingly likely that Winston and Mariota will be the first two selections.”
Rang’s column reads like a smitten lover’s diary entry. “I’ve been one of the fortunate few members of the media allowed into the quarterback workouts each year since 2007, when the NFL first opened its doors to anyone other than league personnel,” he wrote. “At no point during that time has the two top quarterbacks each fared as well under the bright lights as Winston and Mariota did today.” As the analyst notes, the biggest winners in the building might not have even been Winston or Mariota. “Titans general manager Ruston Webster and coach Ken Whisenhunt … just saw the value of the No. 2 overall pick of the draft jump considerably,” Rang wrote. Feb 22 – 12:58 AM
February 22nd, 2015 at 11:03 pm
The combine has offered Winston a stage to show his personality and ability to lead. He excels at this. It’s a fine line between cockiness and confidence and Winston walks it well. That’s what the NFL is starting to realize. He’s the kind of player who makes his teammates better.
February 23rd, 2015 at 12:54 am
Gator fans are trash!
February 23rd, 2015 at 1:21 am
Yes. a phat, cocky, rookie QB, that runs as fast as Josh Freeman, throws like Josh Freeman, and even comes from the same kind of offense as Josh Freeman.
…only this time the fanboys want to draft Josh Freeman with the 1st overall pick!
cool.
Not really.
@joe – would it terrify you as much to draft a spread QB – if he were drafted to run a spread offense in the NFL?
What have you got against the success of the Seahawks, 49ers, Panthers and now Eagles are having with their spread attacks – run by spread QB’s?
February 23rd, 2015 at 10:31 am
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