Chucky: “A Lot Of Teams In The League Would Trade For Nick Foles”

January 26th, 2015

Bucs icon Chucky, the self-proclaimed quarterbacks guru, is all pumped up for his annual made-for-TV quarterbacks camp on BSPN.

Joe can only imagine what the ratings will be in the QB starved neighborhoods of Tampa, St. Pete and Port Richey.

Chucky was interviewed by a Philadelphia TV station recently, and the subject of quarterbacks arose. Philly types are obsessed with the thought of Chip Kelly making a radical trade with the Bucs for the No. 1 overall draft pick, so Oregon star Marcus Mariota can reunite with Kelly.

Chucky made an intriguing comment about the current Eagles QB.

“Look, two years ago, 27 touchdowns, two interceptions. The kid can play,” Chucky said of Nick Foles. “He’s a young player. A lot of teams in the league would trade for Nick Foles. I think Philadelphia’s very fortunate to have a tough guy with massive size.”

Joe’s not lobbying for the Bucs to trade for Foles. But if Chucky is accurate, then perhaps the Bucs are one of those teams who would love Foles, who turned 26 last week. Heck, Bucs overlord of football operations Lovie Smith fell in love with a 35 year old quarterback that never had as good a season as Foles did in 2013.

You can watch the interview below.

145 Responses to “Chucky: “A Lot Of Teams In The League Would Trade For Nick Foles””

  1. BucFanForever Says:

    But would they trade Jameis Winston for Foles?

  2. The Buc Realist Says:

    Greatest Coach in Buccaneer’s History! Period!!!

    Thank you Coach Gruden!

  3. P'cola Buc Says:

    Eagles seem to be quite quick and willing to trade him…buyer beware.

  4. tmaxcon Says:

    Of course Gruden is going to say that. He is captain happy on TV all players all the time.

    Thanks for the distant memories of playoff wins coach Gruden. You got the last laugh!

  5. Tampabaybucfan Says:

    Screw Foles….Lets roll the dice with either Winston or Mariota…, if we trade down with Tennessee and they want Foles…and we get Winston with picks…that would work.
    We need to draft one of these QBs this year….PERIOD!!!

  6. Mohak T Says:

    Bucs HAVE TO stop looking at QBs that can throw 27 TDs in a season. Freeman did too. Low INT rate for one season is just being somewhat lucky. Bucs need to draft a guy who can be capable of throwing 50 TDs every season since they’re in position to try n get one.

  7. Rob Says:

    He’d make a solid back up. But then again, so would Glennon.

  8. Bee Says:

    The Bucs need to stop getting QBs from other teams. We’re in position to draft a good young QB, we should do it.

  9. Pickgrin Says:

    No thanks – we didn’t suffer through a 2-14 season and obvious tank job at the end of it just to acquire a mediocre QB like Foles. Screw that.

    Jameis Winston is one of the best QB prospects to come out in the last decade and anything less than drafting Winston #1 overall will be a major F-up and a major disappointment.

  10. JoeJoes Fungi Nails Says:

    Stirring the pot…lol….

  11. knucknbuc Says:

    Chip Kelly’s system has even made Mark sachez look semi competent. Enough said.

    Why are they so quick to get rid of him if hes so good? Yea pass.

    Let’s get our own qb instead how bout that?

  12. P'cola Buc Says:

    You are correct TBBF, there are no guarantees in the draft at ANY position. It’s ALWAYS a gamble. Who knows what might happen to Leonard Williams as well. We have the choice of anyone at all. Scouting department…do your job well and choose either WINSTON or MARIOTA…(I’m beginning to lean Winston). But with the first overall pick…roll the dice…and choose one of the quarterbacks!

  13. tmaxcon Says:

    no more other teams garbage at QB that has not worked out at all!

    Draft Winston!

    All you Glennon fans better hope he does not hurt his elbow handing out resumes on radio row during super bowl week. It’s awful dangerous in that arena. He can’t just step out of bounds when the heat is turned up. Those suit and tie guys bring it.

  14. BoJim Says:

    Don’t need Foles. Got Glennon.

  15. Robert 9 Says:

    Glennon will rock out with his *ock out starting this year!

  16. tmaxcon Says:


    I hope you are correct sir… If Glennon starts next year Lovie will be gone by mid-season so I am ok with that.

  17. Mr. Patrick Says:


  18. bigsombrero Says:

    Jon Gruden isn’t known for his eye for talent.

  19. Mr. Patrick Says:

  20. tmaxcon Says:

    Mr. Patrick

    I applaud your consistency all be it misguided.

    Dude you can’t take anything serious that the Hollywood Weirdo’s and their bandwagon causes produce. I’ll stick with police reports and the legal system. I leave the bs documentaries to the sheep who can’t make up their own minds or need a movie to delivery their daily news. It’s comical the references you guys use to hate on Winston when there is enough legit items. This girl should be charged with perjury for changing her story multiple times that’s a crime too.

  21. Mr. Patrick Says:

  22. Skyline Crew for Mariota or Winston Says:

    I think I’m more excited to see the FA combine than I am the regular combine. See what good FAs are out there.

  23. Mr. Patrick Says:

    @ tmaxcon
    Word is this documentary will be shown in Congress in support of Rape legislation that is being sponsored by some female senators. So much for misguided Hollywood types, huh?
    How would you like to have this turd on your roster with all of the publicity that will garner?

  24. Robert 9 Says:

    keep up the good work mr patrick

  25. Tampabaybucfan Says:

    Mr. Patrick does prove a point that Winson is facing a PR nightmare…..apparently, the accuser has no problem being very public…..this documentary along with the her Title 9 lawsuit against FSU will assure this issue is front and center.

    I do believe it is a shame for both parties that the investigation was incompetent… could have either exonerated Winston or indicted him.

    Now…there will always be debate and questions as to what really happened.

  26. Mr. Patrick Says:

    @ Skyline
    I agree with you. I’m interested to see that as well. Should be very interesting

  27. Mr. Patrick Says:

    Exactly. And the reason the TPD bungled it so badly is that they were trying to protect Winston. Shame

  28. Bucsfan4lyf Says:

    *uck Winston!


  29. Tampabaybucfan Says:

    @ Mr. Patrick

    Whether or not it’s true about the TPD……it doesn’t look good for could expect the FSU PD & University to be protective…..but not the TPD. The Title 9 lawsuit has substantial merit….suspect it will eventually settle.

    While, I am one to believe innocent until proven guilty…….I also believe that the accuser could have pursued this quitetly through civil actions….her open public accusations and the documentary cooperation makes me wonder…..her beef isn’t only money…..she’s very motivated for other reasons.

  30. Another J Says:

    Is this the same John Gruden that doesn’t like QB’s under the age of 35?

  31. Robert 9 Says:

    this is not going away, wait till it shows on TV.

    it will be in the spotlight.

    no thanks on this being the face of our franchise.

  32. tmaxcon Says:

    Mr. Patrick – Congress now that’s a credible group!

    16% of all Americans approve of congress

    Thankfully Americans have a short attention span and if Winston wins all be forgotten.

    It’s the American way can’t get a judge to buy your lies go to Hollywood.

  33. LUVMYBUCS Says:

    You know I’ve been a big fan of this move. Now the JON has spoken.

  34. Josh P Says:

    Why would TPD protect a kid who wanst even a starter and knew nothing about his status on the team? All he was at the time was a redshirt who was going to compete for a job the next season. If Jimbo would have named Cooker the starter this would have already been forgotten and a non issue. The fact that he turned out to be the Heisman winner and NC is why this is still a story.

  35. unbelievable Says:

    It’s well known FSU and Tallahassee police have covered for football players committing crimes, be it drunk driving or otherwise.

    Now this doesn’t mean that Winstonis guilty at all, but it does cast a lot of doubt over the whole thing since the investigation was obviously mishandled. And yes, it’s going to be a PR nightmare regardless.

  36. Tampabaybucfan Says:


    “Thankfully Americans have a short attention span and if Winston wins all be forgotten”

    I would add this……and, if he keeps his nose clean!!!

  37. unbelievable Says:

    Back to the article, no thank you to Nick Foles.

    He had great numbers the first year the league had seen chips system. This year he regressed and was far less accurate. I don’t want someone else’s garbage. Every time we take a player than another team is eager to trade, they end up sucking. The 1 exception has been v-jax.

  38. LUVMYBUCS Says:


    Atlanta’s gave up five draft picks to move up to the 6th spot and grab a star receiver from Alabama, Julio Jones. The Falcons gave up two firsts, a second, and two fourths.

    Moved Up from (No. 27) to (No. 6)

    • Atlanta to Cleveland: 1st Rnd (’11)
    • Atlanta to Cleveland: 2nd Rnd (’11)
    • Atlanta to Cleveland: 4th Rnd (’11)

    • Atlanta to Cleveland: 1st Rnd (’12)
    • Atlanta to Cleveland: 4th Rnd (’12)

  39. BucFan20 Says:

    Better hope Winston can stay out of jail!

  40. LUVMYBUCS Says:

    2nd Comparison

    The St. Louis Rams got a ton of draft picks.Washington got Robert Griffin III.

    Washington Moved Up from (No. 6) to (No. 2)

    • Washington to St. Louis: 1st Rnd (’12)
    • Washington to St. Louis: 2nd Rnd (’12)

    • Washington to St. Louis: 1st Rnd (’13)

    • Washington to St. Louis: 1st Rnd (’14)

  41. Love and Warrick Dunn Says:

    JABOO to Tampa!!!

    I like that she actually changed her story, even again, for the documentary. There’s a good 5-6 versions, minimum, that she has now told.

    It’s weird that her own friends never changed their own accounts. Nor did Jameis, nor his witnesses.

    Just her.

    Then again, I’m still waiting to hear from just one Winston detractor who has actually read the State Attorneys report. 100% of them go off media accounts and nothing else.

  42. LUVMYBUCS Says:

    Nick Foles

    *Career Numbers)

    • Quarterback Record (15-9)
    • Cmp % 61.6
    • YDS- 6753
    • TD- 46 / Ints 17
    • 331 Rushing Yds (4Tds) ←

    Nick Foles

    *(Career highlights and awards)

    • Pro Bowl (2013)
    • Pro Bowl Offensive MVP (2013)
    • 60th Perfect Game in NFL History (November 3, 2013 vs. Oakland Raiders)
    • 3rd highest regular season passer rating in NFL History (119.0)
    • 2x NFC Offensive Player of the Week (Week 6, 2013; Week 9, 2013)
    • 2x Fedex Air Player of the Week (Week 6, 2013; Week 9, 2013)
    • NFC Player of the Month (November 2013)
    • Led NFL in passer rating (2013)

    Note: Foles was also assigned to the 2014 Pro Bowl as an alternate and was drafted by Team Sanders. Despite losing the game, Foles went 7 for 10 for 89 yards and a go ahead touchdown. Foles won the Pro Bowl Offensive MVP

    (NFL Records)

    • 7 touchdown passes, single-game (Tied)
    • 27:2 TD-INT ratio, regular season
    • 152.8 passer rating in a calendar month (November 2013)
    • Only player to throw 7 touchdown passes with a perfect passer rating
    • Youngest player in NFL History to throw for 7 TDs in a single game
    • 2nd player in NFL history to throw for over 400 yards with a perfect rating

  43. LUVMYBUCS Says:


    When you have talent it doesn’t matter what system your in…Eventually you will shine.

    Don’t forget as a ROOKIE Nick Foles walked into NEW ENGLAND and BEAT BILL.

    Nick Foles vs Patriots – Amazing game!!! (Listen to Jon’s Comments)

  44. jb Says:

    The ONLY quarterback I’ve ever seen Chucky NOT blow flowers up the butt of was Josh Freeman, in his first and ply game with the Vikings.

  45. BFFL Says:

    Im sure a lot of teams would trade for Foles, but not the #1 pick

  46. Scotty in Fat Antonio Says:

    I seem to recall MANY moons ago that the Bucs gave Bengals our first round pick in exchange for the THROWIN SAMOAN” Jack Thompson. See how that turned out?

    Joes, would be cool to do a story on this MOST significant event in Bucs History.

    Just say NO to trading for Foles.

  47. Buccaneer Bonzai Says:

    If the Eagles are willing to part with Foles and 3 firsts, and 3 2nds, I would agree to that. If foles doesn’t work out, we’d have lots of picks.

  48. LUVMYBUCS Says:

    *Any Quarterback would struggle under the following conditions

    Outside of Trading one most dangerous weapons in the NFL (DJAX)-The Teams only true deep threat-

    Philadelphia Eagles Offensive Line was Completely Decimated by Injuries

    Case In Point

    Sept 2014

    Starting Left Guard
    • All Pro Left Guard Evan Mathis missed several weeks with an MCL sprain.

    Starting Center
    • Jason Kelce had surgery to correct a sports hernia injury-Missed 6-8 to start the season

    Starting Right Guard
    • Todd Herremans (bicep) was put on IR.

    Starting Right Tackle
    • Lane Johnson was suspended four games for violating the NFL’s policy on performance-enhancing …

    Note: Key Reserve Matt Tobin T/G-Missed time because of a concussion

    Note: He also lost his QB coach Bill Lazor to the Dolphins, all in the same year.

  49. Mr. Patrick Says:

    All very good points. And the Buc’s roster could use an influx of picks like that. And plus you avoid a huge PR nightmare. History shows, as you pointed out, that teams that do that build very solid rosters

  50. Mr. Patrick Says:

    Maybe 16% of folks approve of Congress, but all women are interested in the sunject of Rape and Sexual Assault. Plus that will make the documentart be nationa news again.
    For any team that is desparate enough to draft Winston it will be like giving a huge slap in the face to their female fanbase

  51. LUVMYBUCS Says:

    @Mr. Patrick

    Amen Brotha

  52. tmaxcon Says:

    the problem all you trade downers are missing is the incompetent fool responsible for those picks. The more picks that Lovie has the more long term damage Lovie will cause. He has caused enough. Just let him make his picks this year and move back to the basement. In a perfect world trading down might not be a bad thing but Lovie needs a QB and there are no other QBs worth it in the draft.

    What is it like only 4 times in history the 1st overall pick was traded.

    Draft Winston for the new coach next year that is the least he could do.

  53. Mr. Patrick Says:

    I remember when Foles came into Ray Jay as a rookie and beat the Bucs. So many Bucs fans were clamouring “why can’t we have a QB like that?”

  54. tmaxcon Says:

    Mr. Patrick —

    You don’t speak for ALL women. Don’t be a fool.

    I have 2 girls in my office right now who think Winston got screwed by a money grabber. These are University of Texas fans who HATE everything FSU / FLORIDA not FSU girls. They both are disgusted by the accusers changing of her story and both have stated repeatedly girls like her make it harder on real rape victims. 1 of these girls is a tree hugging liberal and the other is a gun toting Texan with a bible in one hand and a .45 in the other. They never agree and on ANYTHING. However, this one topic they both are steadfast so please don’t speak for all women.

  55. bucs4lyfe Says:

    LOL thanks for the help gruden. no one needs to know that the obvious move is to draft a quarterback….hahaha nick foles really and people bang on lovie smith but I don’t remember jon gruden being much of anything in terms of drafting players. he took over this team and we quickly became the oldest team In the league. guess we could bring back chris simms too right

  56. tmaxcon Says:

    Another thing, you are not giving educated women enough credit when you assume they all side with a proven liar. You can’t flay the women rights flag while disrespecting other women in the process. you are walking a fine line with your statement of all women ….

  57. JMN Says:

    Of course Gruden would take Foles. That is how he used to operate as a coach taking veterans. He couldn’t develop a QB to save his life. It is so ironic he does the QB camp on ESPN before the draft.

  58. AK Says:

    Oh here come the Gruden haters, at least when he brought in older QBs (Garcia, attempted Favre, etc) they were ones that had been, you know…GOOD QBs, not 12 year backups like Mccown. Heck, Luke has as many wins as a Bucs QB as his brother.

  59. Robert 9 Says:

    winston is gonna fall like a rock on draft day. lol

  60. Mr. Patrick Says:

    You can put your head in the sand all you want, but every woman fears being raped and they all want rapists, alleged or not, put away. Just sit back and watch what this documentary does as it continues to gain momentum and more women hear about it and finally get to see it after it is released and played on CNN during prime time. You can bet the Glazers will see it. I’ve seen stories about it on three different news channels already this morning. If you don’t think it’s going to have a huge impact just sit back and watch and stop making biased, uneducated statements

  61. LUVMYBUCS Says:

    With the Interior Line Prospects


    LG-Arie Kouandjio Alabama 6-5/318
    LG-Jamil Douglas Arizona State 6-4/307
    LG-Adam Shead Oklahoma 6-4 340

    C-B.J. Finney Kansas State 6-4/324
    C-Dillon Day Mississippi State 6-4/305
    C-Max Garcia Florida 6-5/305

    RG-Tre’ Jackson Florida State 6-4/323
    RG-Laken Tomlinson Duke 6-3/323
    RG-John Miller Louisville 6-3/315
    RG-Jamon Brown Louisville 6-4/330

    RT-Tayo Fabuluje TCU 6-7 353

  62. Eric Says:

    The agenda on this university sexual assault epidemic, for which there is not an epidemic, comes from Washington DC.

    They have it in their heads that there is rampant raping going on at campuses. That’s why all the press coverage and documentaries and such.

    Rolling Stone magazine just ran a big series about it, based on allegations there was a gang rape at the University of Virginia campus. Turned out to be totally bogus, but the agenda continues. Also the Duke Lacrosse Team case.

    Sundance film festival is about as left wing as you can get. The “documentary” is surely not to get to the truth or to look at both sides of the story. It just feeds into the “hunting ground” mentality.

    Naturally they ignore real statistics, which establish that 50% of rape allegations in a University are later proven false. (through DNA or recantation).

    Just another false cause, with the willing participation of the New York Times, Rolling Stone Magazine, BSPN, and now Lady Ga Ga.

    They have their agenda and the truth be damned.

  63. Eric Says:

    Yeah Gruden was awful with QB’s, unless you are a fan of league MVP’s, Super Bowl Champs, and pro bowl participants.

    Amazing how bucs fans still trash the guy.

    Leaps and bounds the most successful coach in our history.

  64. LUVMYBUCS Says:

    Front 7 Prospects

    DE-Arik Armstead Oregon 6-7/296 4.97
    DE-Deion Barnes Penn State 6-4/260 4.75
    DE-Anthony Chickillo Miami (Fla.) 6-3/271 4.82

    DT-Malcom Brown Texas 6-4/320 5.24
    DT-Carl Davis Iowa 6-5/321 5.12
    DT-Mario Edwards Jr. Florida State 6-3/294 4.88
    DT-Michael Bennett OSU 6-2/288 4.96
    DT-Preston Smith Mississippi State 6-5/270 4.92

    NT-Gabe Wright Auburn 6-3/299
    NT-Leterrius Walton Central Michigan 6-5/321
    NT-Xavier Williams Northern Iowa 6-2/325

    WLB-Junior Sylvestre Toledo 6-0/222

    ILB-Denzel Perryman Miami (Fla.) 5-11/244

    SLB-Hauoli Kikaha Washington 6-3/246
    SLB-Hayes Pullard USC 6-0/236
    SLB-Jake Ryan-Michigan 6-3/238
    SLB-Lorenzo Mauldin-Louisville 6-4/256

  65. Mr. Patrick Says:

    Exactly. When Gruden was coach and the Bucs won their one and only championship, they did it with a veteren QB that was signed as a free agent. Anr Sunday’s Superbowl will have a 3rd round pick and 6th round pick as starting QB’s

  66. Mr. Patrick Says:

    As much as I would love to see the Bucs trade down and build a very solid roster, you know Lovie is imagining what it would be like to have Leonard Williams next to GMC on the D-Line. Mike Mayock said a few days ago that Williams reminds him mostly of J.J. Watt and could have the same kind of impact. So Bucs may do the safe thing by using the #1 pick in the draft on the consensus best player in the draft

  67. AK Says:

    People can bash Gruden on QBs, yet he paid peanuts for his Mccown who won as many games as his older, expensive brother that Lovie signed.

  68. Jack Says:

    The BUCS will take a QB with the first pick. BUCS Management and Ownership love all of this attention, and hope it turns into more ticket sales. So, tell me, who will sell more tickets? A Number One Draft Pick or a QB trade.

  69. buddha Says:

    Yes, let’s put the woman on trial. Now that’s a novel approach to defending a man accused of rape. You blame the victim. I wonder if that has ever been tried before.

  70. LUVMYBUCS Says:

    Outside of Foles and draft prospects.

    Don’t forget Philly’s got few young pieces to help sweeten the pot


    DT-Fletcher Cox 6-4/300
    DE-Vinny Curry 6-3/279

    LT-Lane Johnson 6-6/317

  71. Barry Says:

    Fans must understand, neither Mariota or Winston are Franchise Quarterbacks. Roll the dice? Easy if it’s not your money. #AmateurGeneralManagers

  72. unbelievable Says:


    You are 1 ignorant mofo. Did you know 1 in 5 girls experience some form of sexual assault in their lifetime?

    This sh*t happens all the time at college campuses, so don’t try to turn it into some left vs. right issue. Idiot.

  73. unbelievable Says:

    I agree Barry, neither are worth the 1st pick in the draft. Neither.

    But what are we gonna do? We need a qb in the worst way possible.

  74. Mr. Patrick Says:

    @ Barry
    Agree 100%

  75. Eric Says:

    I always thought coaching quarterbacks up to have the best seasons of their careers is quarterback development.

    I guess people prefer the Raheem morris Greg Schiano skill set.

  76. JBuc Says:

    Mr Patrick: have you read the State Attorneys report? If so, you will see her comments in the documentary are in direct contradiction to her own friends comments regarding how she met and left with Winston at the bar. Everyone else involved in the case has maintained the same account of that evening with the glaring exception of her. The State Attorney, no friend to FSU or Winston, illuded to her inconsistent account of her story during his press conference.

    If her story is a lie, then what? There is no doubt he is the best QB talent in the draft and the Bucs are in high demand for one of those.

  77. Mr. Patrick Says:

    Actually I’ve read about everything that has been made available to the public. Have you? It’s common knowledge that a lot of the inconsistencies of the case are the soul responsibility of the TPD’s handling of the case. Even the State Attorney acknowledges that.
    When the alleged victim’s suit against FSU starts, a lot of these inconsistencies and the cover-up by the athletic dept will be exposed. The trial is suppose to last up to 18 months, so there’s 18 months of bad PR for any team foolish or desperate to draft Winston. Not to mention when he signs his pro deal and the civil suits start

  78. LUVMYBUCS Says:

    @Mr. Patrick

    All good point. Young man won’t be able scratch his a$$, without a hand full of fish hooks.

  79. LUVMYBUCS Says:

    All good points

  80. Buccfan37 Says:

    I think Foles is a good QB, Gruden touting him is similiar to his praise for Glennon before he was drafted. Though Chuckie gets excited easy, he is probably right on as to Foles ability.

  81. Connor Says:

    Bottomline, we haven’t amounted to $%&# since Gruden was fired. So all the Gruden haters can shut up. I’d rather have Garcia and Johnson over McCown, Glennon and sleepy leaky Freeman.

  82. Eric Says:


    The one in five stat. is totally bogus, used by the left wingers to promote their cause.

    The reason it is so high is because it is based upon an online survey (from 2007), which includes in the definition of assault things like unwanted kissing, sexists remarks, brushing up against a woman when both persons are fully clothed, etc.

    If you want to educate yourself on the real statistics here is a 2013study from The United States Department of Justice, who actually got real data.

    The rate of sexual assault for college age woman, 18-24 is 6.1 per 1000.

    .006% And the rate has remained stagnant for decades.

    But that doesn’t fit the crisis agenda.

    It is very similar to the claims that violence by police against African Americans is on the rise.

    That is not true either.

    But you go on believing this nonsense if you so desire.

  83. Eric Says:


    sorry sir forgot to give you the link.

  84. Love and Warrick Dunn Says:

    “Eric Says:
    January 26th, 2015 at 3:05 pm


    sorry sir forgot to give you the link.

    Bravo to Eric for attempting to educate people.

    I suspect it will go in one ear, and out the other. These people made up their minds months and months ago. And, short of Kinsman admitting on record that she lied, they will NEVER believe this was all a sham.

    In fact, even if she admitted she lied on record, I still think that some people would say she is being forced to to lie (about lying).

  85. Robert 9 Says:

    wow, is about all i can say.

    some people sure love football.

    just surprised we have not heard the “she was asking for it” reasoning.

  86. 87ForJameisNoMariota Says:

    Robert9…I’ve come close to that thinking with saying. She left the bar at 2 a.m. with a guy and went back to his apartment for something…it must have been sex like the numerous times I picked up a girl in my early 20’s in a bar and took her back to my apartment for sex. Just like so many other guys in the history of the planet earth.

    So in sense she was kind of asking for it….meaning there was NO rape at all.

    Why on earth do you think she went back to his apartment?

    No one ever answers me with anything logical when I ask that question…

  87. 87ForJameisNoMariota Says:

    Mr Patrick continues his assault :

    “When the alleged victim’s suit against FSU starts, a lot of these inconsistencies and the cover-up by the athletic dept will be exposed.”

    Wait, wait , wait a second…didn’t the FBI and Department of Justice already look to the case of the supposed cover-up?

    I can answer that for you whiners out there. YES THEY DID!

  88. Robert 9 Says:

    it happens 87. I’ve brought girls home….then in the process I have been such a dick to them they have said no and I respected that……well, then you tell them to GTFO, start walkin. so yeah, it could happen. A girl can go from horny to not wanting to be used.

    hell, one forgot her purse and I threw it in the lake. lol

  89. 87ForJameisNoMariota Says:

    Robert9…and did those girls change their story 6 different times as well?

    Does a girl get raped by a guy then get a ride home from him on the back of his scooter?

    Yeah…keep telling me…it happens. More than likely it happens that you have sex with the girl though..

  90. Eric Says:

    I have so rarely got to that point the statistical sample is way too small.

    But, i’ve never had one back out having gone that far.

    Deeply disappointed maybe.

    But not back out.

  91. Robert 9 Says:

    I never raped one, so they would not have to recall the story. but had she been roofied it is very believable she would have a vague recollection of the events, yet very much remember the face of the rapist. I think that would stick with her.

    if she was roofied she would not have much idea where she was, and if her life was not in danger, and said rape was over, it is entirely plausible she took a ride.

    guess it all comes down to who you believe the 20 yr old, naive pre-med student

    or the jock football star who is untouchable.

    I chose the girl based on my own sterotyping and life experience

  92. Robert 9 Says:

    well eric, you might not be as cocky as I am….and I was VERY, VERY, VERY cocky………..

  93. Eric Says:


    they tested her, found no drugs.

    But nice try.

  94. Robert 9 Says:

    call them a $lut or whore, degrade her etc before you get it on and see how fast she goes from horny to saying no

  95. Robert 9 Says:


  96. 87ForJameisNoMariota Says:

    Robert 9…exactly it comes down to who you believe more.

    I believe the girl went to his apartment to have sex. Saw that it was being taped, had a boyfriend on campus, and didn’t want the video to be passed around the campus ruining her image.

    That’s just what I believe. I see 2 side of the coin though. It could have easily went the other way like you’re talking about.

    I think people just combine all his other bone headed moves and come to the conclusion that if he kept getting in trouble after the allegation, then he must have raped her. I’m not that short sighted though.

    I’m also probably one of the only people on this site that think his past is in the past and there will be no problems the rest of the way.

  97. Love and Warrick Dunn Says:


    “but had she been roofied it is very believable she would have a vague recollection of the events, yet very much remember the face of the rapist.”

    Are you aware that the FDLE did a drug tox screening and it came back negative for all drugs?

    Are you also aware that the sample was then tested a second time at the University of Florida Chem Lab, and it also came back negative for any drugs?

    Also, why did she refuse to identify the second set of DNA on her clothes. It turned out to be her boyfriend. Who happens to be black and played QB for her high school.

    Additionally, why would her own boyfriend refuse to cooperate in his girlfriends rape case without being forced with subpoena?

    So, I choose to NOT believe her based on the evidence, and her friends own testimony that conflicts with hers.

  98. Love and Warrick Dunn Says:

    “Robert 9 Says:
    January 26th, 2015 at 4:11 pm


    And, that’s the PROBLEM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You guys refuse to read the G.D. State Attorneys report. But, you can spend HOURS on here bashing and saying to don’t believe him.


  99. 87ForJameisNoMariota Says:

    ODB…That’s basically what I’ve been saying for weeks now. No one will read the report…because they think it’s all been covered up.

    They only believe one side of the story.

    What if Jameis was your kid? Would you believe him?


    At the end of the day on draft day. Jameis Winston will be a Tampa Bay Buccaneer and you ALL will be happy very quickly. He will go through ups and downs just like any rookie QB, he’s not going to be a quick fix, but he will plug a MAJOR hole…no pun intended on everything I just said for you gutter minded people.

  100. Skyline Crew for Mariota or Winston Says:

    I think one of the bigger factors that should be taken in to account about rape is that only about 2% of rape allegations are actually proven false. Then you have the other part where around 50% of assaults go unreported.

  101. Love and Warrick Dunn Says:

    @87. I agree.

    I would never want Ponder, or EJ, or any QB just because he’s a Nole. They never should have drafted that high, both are backups. But, this kid has got the right stuff. I saw it immediately.

    What’s frustrating is that the knuckleheaded stuff would never have been magnified like it has been, if she doesn’t make the false claim.

  102. Robert 9 Says:

    yeah, and OJ was innocent too.

    no reason for this girl, who already likes black guys, to point in his direction long before she knew there would be any payday.

    just does not pass the smell test, or common sense test.

    as for the lawyers, I know a lot of them, including my wife, and the ruling is often not justice, so sorry for being skeptical.

  103. unbelievable Says:

    @skyline, exactly! About 2% are false accusations, more than half are never convicted.

    @Eric, you are obviously not too bright.

    That report was not an online survey as your claim.

    Also, I said sexual assault, which includes things besides intercourse.

    And lastly, your math is terrible. 6 out of 1000 means 0.6%. As a decimal that is written as 0.006, where a 1.0 would equal 100%. Simple math.

    Just so you know, there were 16,500 cases of rape reported just in the U.S. military last year. The military makes up less than 1% of our population. So how much do you think it happened across the entire country? You do the math. Oh, wait…

  104. Skyline Crew for Mariota or Winston Says:

    “In fact, for any woman who watched Willie Meggs chortle his way through last week’s press conference, the message was clear: When accusing someone of rape, bruises aren’t enough. Blood in your underwear isn’t enough. The rapist’s DNA isn’t enough. Your testimony isn’t enough.” -Julie DiCaro

    It is sad that most men are charged based off lesser accusations of rape, but for Winston to do whatever he wanted until a few months ago is pretty crazy. I mean it took them 2 yrs to get this going? Really? The investigation was a joke. It happens all the time though where athletes are protected.

    What are you going to do about it though? Not much you can.

  105. Dreambig Says:

    All I know is that Foles has kicked our butts when we have played him. After watching him on a few occasions play our beloved Bucs you would swear he was a pro bowler. Unfortunely, I think Winston is the best QB in the draft. It’s unfortunate because no matter how many investigations are executed and find no probable cause for rape, there will always be a lot of people like Mr Patrick declaring him guilty. Therefore it doesn’t really matter if he is guilty or not, wherever he goes, it will be a media circus. That makes it hard to really get excited about Winston being the face of the franchise.

  106. Love and Warrick Dunn Says:

    “Robert 9 Says:
    January 26th, 2015 at 4:36 pm”

    Man, you really breezed through that 250 pages. Unless YOU DIDN’T READ IT.

    “to point in his direction long before she knew there would be any payday.”

    No, her atty stopped communicating with the Police Dept. around Feb/March of 2013. Because of this, the PD stops too.

    Now, Erica and her aunt (her attorney) go quiet. Nothing in April.

    Nothing in May.

    Nothing in June.

    Nothing in July.

    Nothing in August.

    Nothing in September.

    Nothing in October.

    Then, something happens. Mariota hurts his knee on November 7th, a Saturday.

    By Sunday November 8th, Winston becomes the Heisman favorite.

    And on Monday, when Winston becomes $$$ valuable $$$? Suddenly they fire up the case again. And TMZ and TB Times are all over it.

    Yeah, sure, it’s not about money at all……..

    It’s all there for you to read in the report, that you won’t read.

    Just admit you made up your mind, and NOTHING will change it.

  107. Skyline Crew for Mariota or Winston Says:

    I’m not saying Winston did it. I think something happened, but we will never know. The only people that know are Erica, Jameis, and the witnesses.

  108. Love and Warrick Dunn Says:

    @Skyline Crew for Mariota or Winston Says:
    January 26th, 2015 at 4:46 pm

    I see you post media reports, but, I haven’t seen you post on the actual 250 page report.

    Did you read it?

  109. Love and Warrick Dunn Says:


    ” bruises aren’t enough.”

    This is the problem with not doing research and just grabbing media quotes. The bruises were a color that showed they were old. Nothing that was done a day before. It was multiple days or weeks before.

    ” Blood in your underwear isn’t enough.”

    Where in the actual report does is say that? The rape kit was taken at 4:40am the same morning. There was no positive signs of trauma/ force.

    The rapist’s DNA isn’t enough.”

    DNA comes in consensual sex. If he said he never touched her, it might mean something.

  110. Skyline Crew for Mariota or Winston Says:


    I have not posted any media reports on the case. I posted a quote from someone who was raped and never reported it. That was her viewpoint and I agreed with it mostly.

    I have not had time to download a 250 page (as you say) report. If you have a link I can see about looking at it. I have seen an 80 page report on it, but not a 250 page report.

  111. Eric Says:


    Ok you got me it is .6% I missed the decimal point.

    Less than one percent.

    Not 1 in 5, which is 20% as you claim.

    Huge difference, But what does the United States Department of Justice know compared to you?

  112. Skyline Crew for Mariota or Winston Says:

    Love and Warrick Dunn Says:
    January 26th, 2015 at 5:06 pm


    ” bruises aren’t enough.”

    This is the problem with not doing research and just grabbing media quotes. The bruises were a color that showed they were old. Nothing that was done a day before. It was multiple days or weeks before.

    ” Blood in your underwear isn’t enough.”

    Where in the actual report does is say that? The rape kit was taken at 4:40am the same morning. There was no positive signs of trauma/ force.

    The rapist’s DNA isn’t enough.”

    DNA comes in consensual sex. If he said he never touched her, it might mean something.

    You lost me there. I didn’t post anything from a media report.

    They had DNA from Winston and it matched his DNA. Not sure where you get that you can only obtain DNA through consensual sex. Also, had her boyfriends DNA because they had sex earlier in the day before she was at the club. I don’t know about blood in the underwear (wasn’t my quote). Same goes for bruises.

  113. Love and Warrick Dunn Says:

    “You lost me there. I didn’t post anything from a media report. ”

    Didn’t you post the Julie DiCaro quote? Isn’t she a writer?

    Re: DNA, I left out “too”. I keep seeing people say that DNA shows proof of rape.

  114. Skyline Crew for Mariota or Winston Says:

    Eric Says:
    January 26th, 2015 at 5:10 pm


    Ok you got me it is .6% I missed the decimal point.

    Less than one percent.

    Not 1 in 5, which is 20% as you claim.

    Huge difference, But what does the United States Department of Justice know compared to you?

    Rate of rape for college students is 6.1 per 1,000. The national chance of being raped is 1 in 5. A woman’s chance of being raped in college: 1 in 4 or 5

    -Percentage of rapists who are never incarcerated: 97 percent

    -Percentage of rapes that college students think are false claims: 50 percent

    -Percentage of rapes that studies find are false claims: 2-8 percent

  115. Love and Warrick Dunn Says:

    “I have not had time to download a 250 page (as you say) report. If you have a link I can see about looking at it. I have seen an 80 page report on it, but not a 250 page report.”

    Maybe I’m wrong, but, when add up the time that you, and others on here have taken in calling him an accused rapist, you would think every single person would want to, at a minimum, read the evidence.

    P.S. The girl whose quote you posted? This is from her article:

    “Julie DiCaro is a recovering attorney who writes about sports and helps bloggers reach a wider audience. She founded the Aerys Sports Network, a sports blog network entirely written by women, in 2011.”

    So, she’s in the media. And, her blog is written by women. I’m sure she’s not bias. Besides the fact that her quote was filled with inaccuracies.

  116. Skyline Crew for Mariota or Winston Says:

    Love and Warrick Dunn Says:
    January 26th, 2015 at 5:17 pm

    “You lost me there. I didn’t post anything from a media report. ”

    Didn’t you post the Julie DiCaro quote? Isn’t she a writer?

    I said I posted a quote from her. Had nothing to do with a media report. She is a blogger if you want to call her anything. This was her personal opinion as a person who was raped herself.

  117. Eric Says:

    Do you guys like the FBI?

    Here is what they say in their most recent crime stats:

    ◾There were an estimated 79,770 rapes (legacy definition) reported to law enforcement in 2013. This estimate was 6.3 percent lower than the 2012 estimate, and 10.6 percent and 16.1 percent lower than the 2009 and 2004 estimates, respectively. (See Tables 1 and 1A.)
    ◾The rate of rapes (legacy definition) in 2013 was estimated at 25.2 per 100,000 females.

    Notice how the incident of rape is on the decline, not increase, as is all other violent crime in the United States.

    But this does not fit into the “hunting grounds” nonsense that is currently being peddled.

    The 1 in 5 or 1 in 4 stat is utter nonsense. Again, based on an online survey from 2007.

    The FBI collects real data. Rape is on the decline.

  118. Love and Warrick Dunn Says:

    “This was her personal opinion as a person who was raped herself.”

    But, it’s not even accurate.

    Does accuracy matter anymore?

  119. Skyline Crew for Mariota or Winston Says:


    Since she was an attorney I would have to go with what she has read about the case. She would know more about that stuff than either you or I would. Unless you are an attorney.

    “There were also subtle omissions made all throughout the press conference. While Meggs stated that there were “several people in the room” while the alleged sexual assault took place, he didn’t mention that the witnesses were all friends of Winston’s, friends who had clearly been well-prepped by Winston’s attorney before they ever spoke to the police. In fact, when the witnesses finally agreed to speak to the police, almost 11 months after the alleged sexual assault, they testified in accordance with the affidavits they’d provided to the police, which were also prepared by the office of Winston’s attorney. As for Winston? He was never even interviewed by the police. He “declined” through his attorney.

    Meggs went on to say that there was no evidence that sex between Winston and the victim was “a forceful act.” Sure, that could be true, if you ignore the bruises that a sexual-assault nurse noticed on her left knee and right elbow, the blood in her underwear on her shorts, and the fact that Winston’s DNA was found in her panties. And that she called two friends immediately after the encounter; we don’t know what she told them, but it was serious enough that one of the friends called her parents and the other called the cops. She also described Winston’s apartment accurately. She remembered that he owned a black scooter.”

    “Frankly, I’ve represented clients charged with sexual assault on less evidence than Meggs had against Winston. Significantly less, actually. My clients, usually poor minority men with no shot at the Heisman, were never given the option of “declining” to be interviewed by the police. Meggs may not have been pressured to close the case against Winston, but given the knee-slappin’ good time and Meggs’s palpable relief at the press conference, it’s hard to imagine that Meggs wasn’t at least partly influenced by the public flogging he took from FSU fans and alums when he charged defensive tackle Travis Johnson with rape in 2003, and lost. “

  120. Love and Warrick Dunn Says:


    Can you post a citation for your numbers?

  121. Skyline Crew for Mariota or Winston Says:

    Rape is down you are correct. You are also basing your stats off of reported crimes. The 1 in 4-5 uses unreported rape.

    “According to most estimates, 80-90% of rapes are not reported to authorities. Current trends project that 1 in 3 American women will be sexually assaulted at some point during her life.

    The typical rape victim is a 16-24 year-old woman. Anyone, however — man or woman, adult or child — can be the victim of rape. Most commonly, the assailant is a 25-44 year-old man who plans his attack. He usually chooses a woman of the same race. Nearly half the time, the victim knows the rapist at least casually, by working or living near him. Alcohol is involved in more than 1 out of 3 rapes.”

  122. Love and Warrick Dunn Says:

    “Since she was an attorney I would have to go with what she has read about the case. She would know more about that stuff than either you or I would. Unless you are an attorney.”


    The guy that owns TMZ is a lawyer too. Do you believe everything out of his mouth? Do I need to actually post the pages of the report that refute her claims?

    If you believe everything that lawyers say, than, wow. And, I work with lawyers, and I don’t believe everything.

    So much of this could be resolved if people read the evidence, instead of cutting and pasting blogs, and media reports. (Writers are bloggers.).

  123. Skyline Crew for Mariota or Winston Says:


    They were based off the 2009 UCR. Just some quick numbers I could find.

  124. Skyline Crew for Mariota or Winston Says:

    Here is a good one from DOJ for 1995-2013

  125. Skyline Crew for Mariota or Winston Says:

    I’ll try to sit down tonight and look over the report you have their LWD.

  126. tmaxcon Says:

    The bottom line is this girl has changed her story more times than most posters here change their underwear. I don’t always agree with Eric but I read everything and he is dead on. One of the Eric’s that post here is a former attorney with defense and prosecution experience so I would hardly classify him as ignorant or stupid.. She Has Now changed Her Story Yet Again for the documentary. She is hurting legit rape victims. You fools blindly defending her have zero understanding of law. She should be charged for purjury and her aunt should be disbarred for pushing her agenda and attTat gold digger needs to be charged. She Has Now changed Her Story Yet Again for the obvious attempted money grab. obviously, that will not happen but the real victim is Winston on this case regardless of how politicaly incorrect that may sound. Fraudulent law suits are a huge expense to all hardworking Americans. There needs to be consequences when people falsely accuse others whether it is civil or criminal. Tort reform is needed now. Other countries have stiff penalties for people who falsely accuse others.

    Draft Winston send lovie back to basement

  127. Robert 9 Says:

    note to self:

    don’t go back to the dorm of college football players, lest ye be fair game for rape and pillage. even if you say no, the fact that you went implies you wanted it.

    oh, and you better not have had sex with your boyfriend, lest ye be labeled a whore

  128. Robert 9 Says:

    rape is on the decline. RFLMAO

  129. unbelievable Says:

    Dude did you even read the report in your link you posted. It specifically says interviews for that were conducted by phone or in person.

    But keep insisting it was an online survey to take away its legitimacy.

    Rape and other violent crimes are on a decline, and That’s great. There were still over 70,000 just last year that were reported. Meaning the real number of incidents is at least double. But I guess we shouldn’t do anything b/c slightly less women are being raped than the FBI anticipated. How great.

  130. Love and Warrick Dunn Says:

    Note to self:

    Make sure to never read extensive report before accusing someone of rape.

    Because reading is hard!!!

  131. Mr. Patrick Says:

    @ Skyline
    You can’t talk facts with these FSU folks and Jameis chasers as they either just refuse to acknowledge them or just aren’t smart enough to comprehend them. I have almost gotten to the point where I hope the Bucs do draft Shameis just to watch them all cry when he comes here and flames out or gets in trouble again. It just shows that their man-crush for Shameis is much stronger than their love for the Bucs because if they really wanted what’s best for the Bucs they would never want him to put on our loved Red and Pewter

  132. Love and Warrick Dunn Says:

    “That’s great. There were still over 70,000 just last year that were reported.”

    And, if it’s 6% (2-8%, but, let’s say 6) false accusations, then Jameis could easily be within the 4200 people falsely accused.

    Four thousand and two hundred people is a big number when you are being labeled as a rapist, falsely. Because, as this place shows you, people don’t care about drug screens, and multiple stories, and the like, they simply remember the headlines, and forever you are labeled.

  133. Eric Says:

    Rape is on the decline. According to the statistics from the DOJ and FBI. Hard to believe I know when reading the nonsense in the papers.

    And even if this 50% figure of unreported rape is true it still brings it no where close to 1 in 5 or 1 in 4 woman.

    Not even the totally unsupported 95% figure would do that.

    I am certainly not saying rape is inconsequential or should not be prosecuted. What I am saying is the nonsense about it being an epidemic is not true.

    You can have your own opinion but not your own facts.

  134. Love and Warrick Dunn Says:

    “I hope the Bucs do draft Shameis just to watch them all cry when he comes here and flames out or gets in trouble again”

    Conversely, I will be laughing at you when he succeeds on the field, and never gets in trouble.

  135. unbelievable Says:

    I don’t have my own facts dude. Clearly, you do.

    As I reminded you earlier, when I said “some form of sexual assault”, that is different and encompasses more than just rape.

    The report lists those numbers out 1,000, not 100,000 as you claimed.

    The report surveyed people by phone and in person, not online as you claimed.

    So if now it is 6 girls out of every 1000, that means nothing should be done? I graduated from UCF, which has approx 50,000 undergrads. So each year only about 300 will be raped at 1 single school. Guess it’s all good then!

    If youre a total FSU homer and just want Winston, that’s fine. My issue isn’t with him, or his accuser, it’s with the ignorant right-wing conspiracy theories and the fake “facts” you keep posting.

  136. Love and Warrick Dunn Says:

    It doesn’t even matter what the numbers are.

    What matters is that people get accused falsely.

    Does Duke Lacrosse care what % are false claims?

    Does Brian Banks care how many?

    Do the frats at UVA?

    It’s like innocent people on death row. It shouldn’t matter if there’s one percent innocent or 12% innocent. What matters is that there’s innocent people out there.

    Every case is individual, and it’s easiest to make an informed decision when you read the evidence, not, media reports.

  137. Skyline Crew Says:

    Hey, watch the right wing conspiracy stuff. That is fact less as well. I lean more right in politics myself.

  138. unbelievable Says:

    @Eric, You’re misunderstanding something about all these numbers…

    The 1 in 5 statistic, is based on a woman’s entire lifetime.

    These reports are yearly stats, so you can’t equate the two.

  139. OhioBucsFan Says:

    The Hunting Ground documentary will torpedo Jameis Winston’s draft prospect. This documentary will be on CNN and other channels this summer before the draft. We will be left with only one choice come this summer. That will be Marcus Mariota. There will be too much negative publicity about Jamieis Winston. No team owner or coach would like to deal with this negative publicity. The team is in the business of selling tickets. It will be a circus of we draft Jameis Winston. Just my 2 cents.

  140. 87ForJameisNoMariota Says:

    OhioBucsFan Says

    “This documentary will be on CNN and other channels this summer before the draft.”

    Hate to break to ya buddy but the draft is way before the summer.

    That’s just my 2 cents.

  141. Skyline Crew for Mariota or Winston Says:

    Well LWD

    After going over the police report I am more inclined to side with Erica. Seems the police jacked this way up. After she told them in January that it was Winston and then in February the detective told Winston’s attorney that it was a closed case. Didn’t interview Winston until the end of 2013…almost 11 months after they knew it was Winston. Come on, sketchy as all hell. Yes, I saw the report where the officer wrote he hasn’t had contact with Erica since April and it was August. I’m just not buying that though. Seems they were waiting on the detective to do something and didn’t even know that they had closed the case when it wasn’t really closed. Somebody in the department messed up big time.

  142. OhioBucsFan Says:

    87ForJameisNoMariota sorry to break your bubble. The documentary is going to be aired on CNN and expected to be released in theaters on March 20. Time for Jameis Winston to pay up for his bad decisions. Hope Jameis will be come a poster boy for other aspiring athletes on how not to behave.

  143. Rick Says:

    Despite Joe’s man crushes on first Johnny Football and now Jameis Winston and his constant blubbering about franchise quarterbacks, I agree with Gruden.

    First there are at most what, five proven franchise quarterbacks in the league? Tom Brady, Drew Brees, Joe Flacco, Payton Manning and Aaron Rodgers come to mind. As for developing franchise quarterbacks, I see Andrew Luck and Russell Wilson. There are also a number of could be’s and some they were’s and could be agains.

    Still over the half the league gets by with serviceable quarterbacks running their offenses. Hell, the Bucs won a Super Bowl with a serviceable Brad Johnson managing the games for us.

    If Chip Kelly wants to deal Nick Foles along with a bunch of high draft picks for the #1 pick I say go for it. Three years ago Foles had 27 TDs and 2 INTs then has spent the last two years injured.

    Neither Marcus Mariota nor Jameis Winston are proven NFL quarterbacks, regardless of what Joe says. Look at Johnny Football. He’s close to being on the street with no team and no job to call his own – so much for Joe’s man crushes.

    If Kelly offers up a sweet deal that includes Foles and enough players or picks to fix a number of Tampa’s problems, you gotta take it. The risk of an injury to the quarterback exists whether it’s Foles, Mariota or Winston we’re talking about. Foles, however, brings an NFL track record. And if the draft picks result in an o-line that can actually protect the QB, injuries may not be an issue.

  144. Rick Says:

    @Skyline Crew for Mariota or Winston Says

    Just a point. Anyone in our country can refuse to be interviewed by the police and that includes suspects. It’s call Miranda and the Fifth Amendment.

    As for drafting Winston vis-à-vis his conduct off the field, I agree he’s too big a risk. Too much baggage to use something as valuable as the #1 pick.

  145. FuNkYxMuNkEy Says:

    The reason Philly wants to get rid of him so bad is because he doesn’t fit the “mold” for Chip Kelly’s system. He is the perfect prototypical drop back Quarterback. He has great size, arm strength, and has a proven track record. We would be crazy to pass on him. Granted there would have to be a ton of draft picks included with him for this deal to happen.

    Philly also wants to get rid of Shady’s contract. Ask for Foles, Shady, and their 1st and 2nd this year. I would be hard pressed to turn down that deal. Dropping back to 20 would be hard but a real QB and stud RB would be an amazing coo for us. We could also get our OT at #20. Just saying, QB, RB, OT, and a second 2nd round pick would be a great start to instantly revamping our team.

    Foles, Shady, Evans, VJax, ASJ, and hopefully a new rookie OT and OG would be hell on opposing defenses.