AFC Championship Game Open Thread

January 18th, 2015


Ahh, it’s Championship Sunday! Great football is here. What an epic comeback by Seattle! Joe picked that game right.

Now it’s time for the Patriots and Colts in the AFC. Joe’s confident it will look nothing a 2014 Buccaneers game.

Kickoff is 6:40 p.m. on CBS.

Joe expects the Patriots to roll in a big way here, much like they did against Indianapolis early this season. The Patriots are a better team now, and the Colts are playing over their heads.

Joe’s going to call New England 35, Indianapolis 21.

Bang it here all game long in the comments section with fellow Bucs fans. Joe wishes cold beer and great barbecue for all.

216 Responses to “AFC Championship Game Open Thread”

  1. LUVMYBUCS Says:

    A 3rd QB Russell Wilson is going to the SuperBowl, to face a 6th Round QB Tom

    LUVIT !!!

    Total of 4 Super Bowl Wins between both QB’s

  2. StPeteBucsFan Says:

    Not on the Patriot bandwagon as strongly as Joe. This one could go to OT as well. Indianapolis defense is peaking at the right time,.

  3. StPeteBucsFan Says:

    And so Luvmybucs are you for trading down. Just curious not trying to set you up for all the ad hom headed your way if you are.

    I’m a wimp in all of this. I trust the Bucs braintrust to get the draft right.

    Silly me eh!

  4. MadMax Says:

    Go Indy!

    But NE will probably get it…..

    Yup Luv, great QB’s dont have to be 1st rounders (or 1st overall)

  5. lurker Says:

    still don’t change the fact that we will take a qb in the first round.

  6. StPeteBucsFan Says:

    Damn. We may not be in the playoffs but at least it’s not 51 raining here!!!

    And that’s good weather this time of year in New England.

  7. StPeteBucsFan Says:

    So we’re going from a game where the QBs were almost exclusively in the gun to a contest where they play from under center.

    Guess there’s more than one way to get it done.

  8. deminion Says:

    We can have our Andrew Luck nxt yr #draftFamous

  9. StPeteBucsFan Says:

    I know there are plenty of great folks from Boston but I generally hate their teams.

    The Red Sox of course we all hate. Patriots not my fave and the stinking Bruins I truly hate.

  10. LUVMYBUCS Says:


    If we can get a random of picks; why not?

  11. MadMax Says:

    @lurker, im good with it if we do….but everyone knows Williams would be my pick, and you just never know…..(or trade down)

  12. StPeteBucsFan Says:

    You know Belicheat truly doesn’t care about the human quality of his players.

    Talib..Blount and the murderer Hernandez. The Patriots might come up with a new meaning for the old sports nickname “Murderer’s row”.

  13. MadMax Says:

    I wonder why they brought Blunt back…..yeah, watching former Bucs doing well, one on his way to his 2nd SB

  14. StPeteBucsFan Says:


    Hey if that’s the way L&L and Koetter decide to go I won’t have a problem.

    I’m not on the QB or bust wagon at all. It seems most here and especially Joe are however.

  15. MadMax Says:


  16. Soggy Says:

    X-Bucs score first.. 🙂

  17. Buccfan37 Says:

    Yeah Boston residents are infamous for sheltering in place.

  18. Tampabaybucfan Says:

    Screw Boston….go Yanks!!!

  19. Tampabaybucfan Says:


  20. MadMax Says:

    And people wonder why some of us were so mad at Dom and Schiano…..well you see these players doing pretty well with other teams…they let them go smdh.

  21. LUVMYBUCS Says:


    Joe has right to his opinion, as do we all. There’s enough comps and stats to back it up on either side.

  22. Eric Says:

    I’m still going colts and Mr. Luck.

  23. Buccfan37 Says:

    The Bucs are the Pats favorite farm team. Why did the Bucs ditch Blount? He was’nt a team problem here that I can recall.

  24. MariotaOrWinstonOrWalkdaPlank Says:

    Definitely would like to see Luck put Brady in his place. If there was ever a QB who whined all the time and was pampered his name was Tom Brady. So let’s go Indy!

  25. LUVMYBUCS Says:

    *If we can get a king’s ransom-worth of draft picks; why not?

  26. Tampabaybucfan Says:

    If NE wins….could be 4 more ex Bucs going to the SB….

  27. Tampabaybucfan Says:

    Looks like Herron is a synonym for drops….

  28. LUVMYBUCS Says:

    Damn that

  29. Tampabaybucfan Says:

    Oh…..those damn Special Teams!!!

  30. Soggy Says:

    Indy needs to get on the same page..

  31. Tampabaybucfan Says:

    It’s 7:20 pm…..Do you know where your future francise QB is???

  32. LUVMYBUCS Says:

    Ugly game so far

  33. Soggy Says:

    @Tampabaybucfan, Lol

  34. ToesOnTheLine! Says:

    Rooting for Pats so the SB will feature a 3rd round pick who experts said is too short to be a NFL QB and a 6th round pick who’s Knick was he doesn’t have an elite arm. What I took from the Seahawks-Packers game (and will probably be repeated in the Patriots-Colts game) is that franchise QB isn’t the #1 most important thing…excellent coaching is.

  35. lurker Says:

    without franchise qb, the pack would not have moved down the field to tie.

  36. ToesOnTheLine! Says:

    @ Bucfan37

    My guess as to why the Bucs dumped him is that they drafted Martin (a far more complete RB), Blount has/had an issue with fumbling more than you’d like to see. The guy was also cut by the Patriots and Steelers, so it’s not like the Bucs got rid of a star RB. Good situational player and Belichick is very good at finding what roles a player fits in.

  37. Soggy Says:

    One sided game so far..

  38. lurker Says:

    if people think we can with with glennon and mccown, great. i don’t. we need winston.

  39. lurker Says:

    skysports fans want a ne vs seattle bowl

  40. Buc-O's 82 Says:

    That would be a good super bowl if that happens Joe. The old style QB Brady against the new style QB (The Mariota style) Wilson. Who says that style won’t fit, you have just seen it does.

  41. Buccfan37 Says:

    Them stinking Patriots just never go away. Year after year, on and on ad nauseum. Those uniforms are ugly too.

  42. Eric Says:

    All we gotta do is dial us up a Brady in the fifth round.

    Simple as pie.

  43. MariotaOrWinstonOrWalkdaPlank Says:

    We as Bucs fans have no room to talk when it comes to ugly uniforms! 🙂

  44. Eric Says:

    Anybody know the name of the guy in the fifth round who is the next Brady?

    Just wondered.

  45. Eric Says:

    Or maybe Glennon is Brady like?

  46. Soggy Says:

    @Eric, nobody knows or brady would have been picked much higher..

  47. Tampabaybucfan Says:

    @ Eric

    Anybody know the name of the guy in the fifth round who is the next Brady?
    Just wondered.

    Speaking for Pablo

    “Pablo thinks Cody Fajardo from Nevada will be chosed in the quinto round and will be good as Brady”

  48. Hawaiian Buc Says:

    There really is no argument against us picking a QB. There’s going to be people saying trade back, draft a LT, etc., but they are just arguing just for the sake of arguing.

  49. Buccfan37 Says:

    On my last post it should have been spelled ad nauseam.

  50. Hawaiian Buc Says:

    I don’t know whether to cheer for or cheer against New England. I feel like half the guys were former Bucs, and all guys I loved watching play. All should still be here.

  51. Tampabaybucfan Says:

    I would love to see the reaction if we traded down twice….got a bunch of good picks….then selected Bryce Petty…..of course…we would have to wait and see if it worked….
    But, a QB like Petty could be one of those who turns out pretty good….

  52. Gt40bear Says:

    Boy, sure glad Bennett and Blount weren’t good enough for the Bucs! Pure genius!

  53. Soggy Says:

    Wow luck 4 of 14

  54. LUVMYBUCS Says:

    Great catch!

  55. Tampabaybucfan Says:

    Lots of Colt drops….

  56. MadMax Says:

    If Petty is there in the 3rd and we havent yet taken a QB, I dont think we’ll pass on him. I can see us not going QB in the first, but cant see passing on a good one if he drops to the 3rd or 4th….

  57. Tampabaybucfan Says:

    That pass to Fleener was “MARIOTA-ESQUE’

  58. Tampabaybucfan Says:

    OK…..Could be “WINSTON-ESQUE” too….for you whiners!!!

  59. MadMax Says:

    I dont argue for the sake of arguing. I share my opinion. Some here just disagree and want to argue….no problem. Everyone has their opinions.

  60. LUVMYBUCS Says:

    Long as we stop being a scattered brain organization. And for in our almost 40yr existence… Focus all of our attention on creating a dominate Offensive line+Defensive front 7 rotation..I’m good. It’s all about TRENCH WARFARE baby!!!

    After all the rest is just window dressing.

  61. Eric Says:

    I thought John Kerry was in France….

  62. StPeteBucsFan Says:

    Blount won’t be with the Pats next year either. Just like Talib. He’s a plug, play and dump.

  63. LUVMYBUCS Says:

    I’ve been talking about TRENCH WARFARE for almost 4yrs on this blog now. And still no ones buying what I’m selling…lol

  64. LUVMYBUCS Says:



  65. StPeteBucsFan Says:

    What Mad Max just said. We’re not arguing simply for the sake of arguing and those who are not comfortable with Jameis are not haters, racists or whatever.

    There are valid points to be made for all views here. Jameis..Marcus..or trade down for a boatload of picks. You can make a compelling argument for any of those positions without arguing simply for the sake of arguing.

  66. LUVMYBUCS Says:


    Ok nah

  67. Tampabaybucfan Says:


    John Kerry is in France…that was his Saddam Huessein style Double

  68. StPeteBucsFan Says:


    I’m not certain which of the three ways to go…Jameis, Marcus or trade down and build strength in the trenches.

    Here’s what’s really crazy. It’s actually possible for all three groups to be correct. Jameis AND Marcus could turn out to be studs or busts and one common thread throughout the final 8 playoff teams is good OL play.

    Remember when Flacco lit up the Patriots in the first half like he was playing USF. That’s because the Pats had NO rush and Flacco had all day to pick his targets. Virtually any NFL QB can shred a defense when given that kind of time. See the Bucs losses to 3rd stringers.

    And so if the Bucs decide to go your way and build the trenches I’m ok. If they think one of these QB’s is the future then go for it.

  69. Eric Says:

    The pats already had Bledsoe so they were just taking a flyer on Brady. Same with Seattle. They had signed a big free agent for QB.

    We got zip at QB.

    Can’t count on the Hail Mary music City Miracle type thing in the fifth round…..

  70. StPeteBucsFan Says:

    Tom Brady….waaaaaa I’m the biggest freaking crybaby in the league!!!

  71. Hawaiian Buc Says:


    We have to have a QB, period. The logic of how anyone could possibly believe we don’t absolutely blows my mind. You cannot win in the NFL with Mike Glennon and Josh McClown! How many yearsfof losing football to you have to witness before you understand this concept?

    It’s all about the odds. Yes, we could get the next Tom Brady in the 6th round. However, realistically what are the odds? The answer is far less than 1%. Now what are the odds we find a QB with the first pick in the draft? Well over 50%. Would you take Manning, Newton, Luck, or even Alex Smith over anything we’ve got? Of course you would. So you really in your heart think it’s wise to go with less than 1% odds? If so, we should play poker together one day.

    I guess you think getting more picks is going to help us more. Ok, but let’s think about it, who are we going to draft that’s going to help us more than a franchise QB? How has that worked for St. Louis? If you don’t have a QB, you don’t have sh!t.

  72. Eric Says:

    I can live with taking Marcus over Jameis.

    But no QB at all would be so colossally stupid I’m not sure I could hold it together.

  73. Eric Says:

    Take the points….

  74. LUVMYBUCS Says:


    I hear you, either way-we’re still fans.

    Rain sleet or Snow, Culverhouse or Glazer. Steve DeBerg, Craig Erickson, Vinny, or Trent Dilfer. Through the Bennett’s and Schiano’s, we still down like 4 flat.

    Thank the Heavens, that we’ve got a forum to express our POV.

  75. Hawaiian Buc Says:

    You cannot win in this league without a QB people, period. It doesn’t matter how great your lines are if you don’t have a QB. Do you really think it’s a coincidence that the best QB’s in the league are in the playoffs every single year??? You think their team is really that much more talented than everyone else? If so, you’re a fool. I’d rather bust with Jameis or Mariota than have to watch another snap taken by McClown or Glennon. It really seems as if some of you would rather go 8-8 every year and be great at every position except QB. That makes no sense to me. Call me crazy, but I want to win championships.

  76. StPeteBucsFan Says:

    Hawaiian Buc

    I don’t know if it was you the last time or somebody else but you totally destroy your argument with St. Louis.

    St. Louis did EXACTLY what YOU want us to do. They took a QB with the top pick in the draft just a few years ago. And how did that work out for them.. Then they traded for the boatload of picks in that RGIII deal. How did that work out for the Foreskins? It has worked well for the Rams who now have one of the up and coming young teams in the league. We should be so lucky.

    Look how far St. Louis got even after losing Palmer and then his replacement!

    Speaking of Palmer WE COULD HAVE HAD HIM!!! You simply do not have to spend a first round pick on a QB to have a winning team. Did we spend a first round pick on Brad Johnson…the Ravens on Trent Dilfer.

    Just use some logic here. It’s not about repairing a need by making a PICK ANY PICK…it’s about making the RIGHT PICK.

    Some poster had me LEANING towards a QB but there is no CERTAIN answer and again all three groups could be right. It’s possible that Jameis succeeds and Marcus succeeds and we don’t have either but build such a stout team that we are able to find a Carson Palmer to lead us to the promised land. There simply IS more than one way to get an SB QB as this year’s SB will clearly illustrate!

  77. Tampabaybucfan Says:

    @ Hawaiian

    Relax….it will be a QB….I had dinner with the Glazers the other night and they told me it was a done deal!!! I asked which one it was going to be and they said I’d have to wait….

  78. StPeteBucsFan Says:

    Oops…typo not St. Louis but Arizona and Palmer and two more QB’s.

  79. StPeteBucsFan Says:

    Somebody please call the wambulance for the Pats. All this crying for flags!

  80. MadMax Says:


    ….and cue the arguing for the sake of arguing….and then the insults start, lol. Yeah, you could beat me at poker (something I dont care to play), kudos to you, you could probably beat me at everything…..there, good on you 😉

  81. LUVMYBUCS Says:

    @Hawaiian Buc

    Your wrong brotha, the best TEAMS are in the playoffs every year.

  82. Tampabaybucfan Says:

    Mike Glennon to the Cardinals or Rams….you heard it here….

  83. MadMax Says:

    @Luv, you and me both Brother….TRENCHES, TRENCHES, TRENCHES!

  84. Soggy Says:

    No sense getting uptight lets just trust the top dogs to make the right choice for all us involved bucs.. Did I just say that.. 🙂

  85. StPeteBucsFan Says:

    BTW How can a guy who calls himself Hawaiian and not be for picking Mariota over Jameis.

    Marcus is a HERO on the Islands.

  86. LUVMYBUCS Says:


    All day brotha.

    I don’t give a damn if your starting a mighty mite, junior bantam, high school, JC, 1A/2A, or Pro’s football team.

    If you want to build a champion, you start with the TRENCHES.

  87. StPeteBucsFan Says:

    Yeah Soggy you and I are definitely in the minority. We still have faith in the football professionals to make the right call. Now given that it’s the Bucs I can understand some skepticism. But the Bucs had a good draft last year…Evans for sure…ASF..jury still out..same for Sims. Not so hot on the bottom end but that’s generally a crap shoot.

    If I was upset with last year’s draft it was our failure in the late rounds. F.A.s were just the opposite. With the exceptions of McDonalds and Verner our top F.A’s were total busts while our picks off the scrap heap fared very well.
    Lansanah and Smith were both more than we should have expected.

  88. Eric Says:

    Hindsight is 100% accurate.

    Last year the two biggest FA quarterbacks were Mccown and Vick. We already got MCCown.

    Not a great success.

    Next year the FA opportunities are Matt Moore, Michael Vick, Jake Locker, Kyle Orton, Mark Sanchez.

    Which of those does anyone want to ride to the Super Bowl with?

    It’s easy to say, oh get a free agent or a guy in the fifth round, without identifying anyone.

  89. StPeteBucsFan Says:

    1 through 53 baby. Joe is right. I’ve never see a LT throw a game winning TD pass or lead a last minute drive. OTOH I’ve never seen the greatest QB on earth lead a game winning drive or complete a TD pass with his butt planted in the turf.

    It really is a chicken and egg argument and I’ve seen it done both ways. Build the team and find the QB…find the QB and build the team.

  90. StPeteBucsFan Says:


    The year before the Cardinals picked up Carson Palmer. WE COULD HAVE HAD HIM!!! There ARE plenty of ways to get a QB. I’m not against picking a QB with our top pick if the brass do their due diligence and sign of on it.

    But there is more than one way to do it. You simply do NOT HAVE to pick a QB in the first round to succeed. That’s just factually incorrect. Now if you wish to go to past stats to come up with %’s then let’s look at the Heisman picks. 27 QB’s since 1950 and only four were really stout. The overall record of these 27 is actually below .500.

    My problem is not in drafting a QB, my problem is in the delusion that will AUTOMATICALLY solve our problems.

  91. Tampabaybucfan Says:

    @ Soggy & St. Pete

    The Buc brass would have been better off with the number two pick…..that way there wouldn’t have been a choice and it would be harder to second-guess them.

    I am with you guys…I do trust them to make the right decision…especially now that they have Koetter….he is a very experienced OC….and I think he will have a huge input.

  92. lurker Says:

    it is easier to get the lines fixed in free agency than it is a qb. that is why we draft a qb. the better odd of a good qb are at the top of the draft. we will draft a qb with #1. it makes no sense to tank for a de. linemen bust too. what good is last year’s #1 doing yet?

  93. StPeteBucsFan Says:


    I’m with you dude. Koetter give me a greater sense of comfort as well.

    And I also share your concern that all this bickering over Jameis versus Marcus will leave fans divided even after the pick.

    Like you I am a true Bucs fan and so I’ll support whomever we draft.

    Finished my workout this afternoon and was sitting in the hot tub with some older dude. He had DEFINITE opinions about the draft and he was apoplectic about drafting Jameis over Marcus. He almost started foaming at the mouth over the thought. I didn’t say anything. LOL. I get enough of it here every day. 🙂

  94. Hawaiian Buc Says:

    “Your wrong brotha, the best TEAMS are in the playoffs every year.”


    And what is the one thing these playoff teams have in common? Is it a great offensive line? Nope. Great defensive line? Don’t think so. Great secondary? Not a chance. Running game? I think you get the point. They all have a QB. Who are the Seattle WR’s? Who are the Patriots WR’s? Can you even name a Colts RB or offensive lineman? Deny it all you want, there are no exceptions.

  95. StPeteBucsFan Says:

    The only thing worse than seeing N.E. win is watching Blount have a decent game.

    That makes it time for bed. See you guys later. Or as they say back where I grew up…Kentucky…See you’n’s tomorrow.

  96. LUVMYBUCS Says:

    Look at the Dynasty Teams

    All of them had either, Extremely Effective or Dominate Offensive & Defensive Lines (front sevens).

  97. Eric Says:

    I don’t think anything is automatic.

    The first pick in the draft can bust, undrafted free agents can be hall of Famers.

    The question is what gives you the best odds of success.

    Carson Palmer wasn’t the answer. He’s got a bad wheel. So I’m not really lamenting losing out on him.

    And this is 2015 and we have to deal with this years crop of free agents QB’s.

    Again I ask, anybody want Mark Sanchez or the others?

  98. Hawaiian Buc Says:

    I’m not saying Winston is a lock to be great. He very well could bust. Nobody, not even Andrew Luck, is a sure thing. But I’ll sure as hell take my chances picking a QB at #1 over Glennon, McClown ,or any free agent QB available.

    As for those saying there’ other ways to get a QB, that’s true. However, it’s very rare guys like Drew Brees become available. You go ahead and tell me what QB is available that you believe can lead us to a championship (last time I checked, that’s the goal). Of course you won’t, you’ll just continue to list exceptions that aren’t reasonable to our situation. You want Jay Cutler? We could make that work. There were fools on this site last year screaming for Mettenberger and Murray! Anyone want to trade for them? Everyone thinks they know the hidden gem, but if you really could find hidden gems, you wouldn’t be on

  99. LUVMYBUCS Says:

    @Hawaiian Buc

    So are you saying its a ONE man TEAM Sport? Screw the other 52? Do you think that Brady, Andrew, Rogers or Wilson could be productive behind the BUCS Oline. Or that our Defense could stifle any of them for 4 full quarters?

  100. Jeagan1999 Says:

    Blount is a monster running the ball. For a guy who gas bounced around a lot, all he does is gain yards. Defensive players just seem to bounce off him!

  101. Tampabaybucfan Says:

    A really good QB raises the level of play for the entire team…that is just the way it is….it’s not a LG….its not a TE…..not a CB….sure those guys can fire you up here and there…but a real pro at QB…..that’s the answer….and its inarguable…

  102. lurker Says:

    so new england is plug and play…but they don’t change brady.

    teams pay and keep their great qb’s. linemen become cap casulties. hence, it is easier to get the lines fixed than the qb.

  103. Hawaiian Buc Says:


    When was the last dynasty team? Maybe you could go New England, but that was quite a while ago. Plus, I wouldn’t say they ever had a great defensive line. Certainly not dominant. Dynasties are next to impossible in today’s NFL. I can, however, list several championship teams of late with average to below average lines. Not saying it’s ideal, but it is possible.

    Speaking of dynasties, have you ever noticed that all the dynasty teams have Hall of Fame QB’s? That goes all the way back to the old Packers. But I’m sure SF only won their championships because of their lines. It had nothing to do with #16.

  104. 87ForJameisNoMariota Says:

    I’m actually rooting for the Pats in this one even though I picked the Colts at the start of this season. I picked Colts vs Seahawks. So I was 1/2 right so far.

    I just hate Brady soooo much, yes I said hate, that I hope he retires if they win another one.

    Whiny little bitch.

  105. Tampabaybucfan Says:


    Here is the sad part…..finally, we get the number one overall pick and have a shot at a francise QB….and what do we have when we do…..WEAKNESS IN THE TRENCHES…..we have screwed our draft up so bad over the last 10 years that we have almost nothing to show for it.

  106. Soggy Says:

    I agree everybody makes good points, I do see things are better than last year so far, last year I was disapointed in lovie for not making hester a buc and also crowning McCown starter without QB competition but in our last game he sat starters for our future (who ever) and that must have been tough to take another loss, and he just got a good OC, I don’t know about warhop though but we shall see and we all will be watching and judging the top dogs and we will see what product we have on the field.. I am going to try and stay positive until proven we are a major suck fest again..

  107. LUVMYBUCS Says:


    Your right. But I’ve watched Dan Fouts, Dan Marino, Warren Moon, Drew Bledsoe and plenty others get completely destroyed -when someone exploited those weaknesses. Come playoffs the BEST TEAM wins.

  108. 87ForJameisNoMariota Says:

    Welp TBBF…those linemen can be picked up in the near future.

    Except from what I gather Lovie’s O lines always sucked, so.

  109. Hawaiian Buc Says:

    You don’t have to have a great offensive line to win a championship. You can’t be “Buccaneer offensive line bad”, but you don’t have to be the Cowboys either. New England and GB both have suspect offensive lines. It is much easier to build a competent offensive line than have a franchise QB. Again, nothing is a lock, but you have to go with the odds.

  110. Hawaiian Buc Says:

    What’s the most valuable position in football? Can we all agree it’s QB? What’s the most valuable pick in the draft? I’m pretty sure we can all agree it’s the #1 overall pick. You see where I’m going there?

  111. 87ForJameisNoMariota Says:

    Hawaiian Buc…1st a QB…2nd LT.

  112. Soggy Says:

    Pats are killing the colts

  113. Eric Says:

    no rule againt having both a great team and a QB..

    We got a crapload of picks this year.

    We can get tackles and DE’s later in the draft. A lot of great players at those positions are later round picks too.

    Not just QB’s

  114. lurker Says:

    our oline and dline are not as bad/weak as our qb situation!

    we have spent tons of picks and $$$ on the line and very little on the qb spots. as i said last year…it is time to spend a first round pick on qb. suddenly mankins, eds, johnson forgot how to play? if so, then there is no hope for our draft since those same talent evaluators/gm/coach are still here. even warhop is still here.

  115. Tampabaybucfan Says:

    We absolutely positively must take our shot & draft a QB……it can be argued and will be until perhaps the end of time which one it should be….but we have to choose one….build the team around him (however long it takes) and go for it.

    If it is Winston…great…surround him with mentors and pray…If it is Mariota….teach him to play NFL ready football and fire away!!!

  116. Tampabaybucfan Says:

    It’s now 9:10 pm….do you know where your future francise QB is?

  117. LUVMYBUCS Says:

    @Hawaiian Buc

    That’s only when you have a clear cut #1.

    I’ve got Luv for Winston, and I do feel he’s the best QB in this draft.

    This is strictly hypothetical of course, but if someone wants to drop a bunch of picks in your lap, for a prospect that has 2 many question marks….you wouldn’t listen?

  118. 87ForJameisNoMariota Says:

    TBBF…Winston is probably locked in a closet somewhere by his agent.

    Mariota..helping out some old lady across the street.

  119. Eric Says:

    He is playing with ducks…..

  120. Hawaiian Buc Says:

    I’m actually pretty impressed that most of our fans get it. I expected a whole lot more wanting a LT.

  121. Soggy Says:

    Revis int. Luck

  122. Soggy Says:

    Blount another TD

  123. 87ForJameisNoMariota Says:

    Luv… I hope they don’t listen to a damn thing from other teams on draft day.

    I’m not confident in who they will take with those extra picks. I wasn’t exactly wowed by the last draft. So I definitely don’t want give them all those picks, and screw 75% of them up.

    Draft a QB. Period.

  124. lurker Says:

    revis better than verner and johnson

  125. MariotaOrWinstonOrWalkdaPlank Says:

    Good thing we dumped Blount and Revis. They were awful!

    At least we have Jeff Demps, right?

  126. Hawaiian Buc Says:

    The Bucs major league team is phenomenal! Killing the Colts

  127. Tampabaybucfan Says:

    Revis & Blount….leading the Pats to the Superbowl… exciting for…….them

  128. lurker Says:

    i miss blount too

  129. bucrightoff Says:

    We should be proud to be such an effective farm team. We should get a winners share if they win it all.

  130. 87ForJameisNoMariota Says:

    Hawaiian Buc…we’ve waited FAR too long get a real QB.

    It’s almost not even fair.

  131. Buc-O's 82 Says:

    Blount is unstoppable. A beast. Another departure from the Bucs that’s successful.

  132. MariotaOrWinstonOrWalkdaPlank Says:

    What’s next? Glennon going to the Pats and winning 3 Super Bowls?

  133. Matt B Says:

    Do the triple A players gat a ring too?

  134. Jon Says:

    Yeah. Dominik is the dummy who claimed Bennett, claimed Blount and traded for revis. He kept penn, Larsen and zuttah. What is it? Selvie, Gilberry. We had players here. I still blame freeman for everything. He killed the franchise

  135. Tampabaybucfan Says:

    I will say this….and most of you know I’ve been a fan from the beginning.

    This is absolutely the most exciting off season for me….we had the #1 overall pick in 76, 77…..86,87……..Leroy Selmon, Ricky Bell, Bo “ouch” Jackson, and Vinny….

    My excitement really sparked when we got Koetter… going from chicken $hit to chicken salad….what an improvement…..we have some very good pieces….I am hopeful we are building for another Superbowl…and I’m not getting any younger….so we need to do it now!!!

  136. 87ForJameisNoMariota Says:

    Every time Blount has a good game Bucs fans miss him and let it be known on this site.

    Everytime he runs for 32 yards on 15 carries …there’s crickets.

    He made splash for us, but fumbled a lot and was terrible in short yardage situations.

  137. 87ForJameisNoMariota Says:

    TBBF….not to mention what having the #1 pick is going to do for JBF as well.

    It’s good for business.

  138. 87ForJameisNoMariota Says:

    Jon…ha ha ha great post!

  139. Hawaiian Buc Says:


    I miss Blount, no matter if he runs for 200 yards or 20 yards. He was so much fun to watch. I hated getting rid of him, but he wasn’t a Schiano guy, just like Bennett.

    Blount was never thought of by this organization as our guy. It was like they didn’t want to waste their time coaching him up, because they knew he would be gone. Funny, he’s an absolute beast in short yardage now. He doesn’t fumble much either. Interesting, but I think we all know the truth as to why.

  140. LUVMYBUCS Says:

    I wonder if we did a 3 or 4 yr look back. And reviewed all our mock draft picks…
    I wonder how many of those draft picks, we felt so passionately about-actually panned out.

  141. 87ForJameisNoMariota Says:

    TBBF… what would Schiano say about mentioning Blount right now?

  142. 87ForJameisNoMariota Says:

    Hawaiian Buc … I always thought it was because we had Dougie and Schiano the Great wanted Martin to be a bell cow.

  143. Eric Says:

    Does anybody in the top four teams have a LT that was the number one pick in the draft?

    How many first round picks to the pats have on their oline?

    How much better would our line be if we did use the first pick in the whole draft on a tackle?

    It’s madness.

    Take the duck lover or the Hawaiian…..

  144. lurker Says:

    and martin instead got his cowbell rung.

  145. Hawaiian Buc Says:


    Yes, Schiano never wanted Blount. First thing he did was draft Doug and pretty much refused to give Blount any carries. Boy, he would have been great depth the last 2 years.

  146. Soggy Says:

    WOW Blount TD Again.. Man

  147. Mike10 Says:

    3 TDs for Blount + 1 INT for Revis lol

    …. called that one

  148. Hawaiian Buc Says:

    All those not in favor of drafting a QB, re-read Eric’s post. Like 100 times, until you get it.

  149. 87ForJameisNoMariota Says:

    Who here thinks Martin’s career is over? I’m at I don’t know.

  150. Mike10 Says:

    Wasn’t Okung a first rounder?

  151. 87ForJameisNoMariota Says:

    Hawaiian Buc …I re-read 4 times before you posted and well…

  152. Hawaiian Buc Says:


    He was a first rounder, but not a #1 pick, as in first overall pick in the draft. We have the #1 pick in the draft, FYI.

  153. Tom Says:

    Go ex Bucs….

  154. LUVMYBUCS Says:

    Russell Okung
    James Carpenter
    Nate Solder

  155. Soggy Says:

    Maybe it is a good thing there is not a andrew luck in this years draft… 🙂

  156. Hawaiian Buc Says:

    Ok guys, instead of reading the entire post (which is apparently too much to comprehend all at once), let’s just focus on this sentence: “Does anybody in the top four teams have a LT that was the number one pick in the draft?”

    Ok, I’m going to try to go slow here. The number one pick in the draft does not mean first round. It means the number one pick in the draft, aka first overall pick, aka numero uno, aka “on the clock”. You guys got that?

  157. LUVMYBUCS Says:

    @Hawaiian Buc

    I’m saying trade down, grab additional picks. You don’t need to draft a QB with the 1st pick to win a Championship.

  158. LUVMYBUCS Says:


  159. 87ForJameisNoMariota Says:

    Luv…I get your point. As much as I want to fight against it I agree.

  160. Hawaiian Buc Says:

    Now we’re going to move along to the next sentence: “How many first round picks to the pats have on their oline?” You see, in this example you would list a pick by the Patriots made in the first round to their offensive line. Nate Solder could actually apply here. However, that’s one guy, and he sure as hell wasn’t a premier first round pick. I promise you the Patriots wouldn’t have drafted him with the number one overall pick.

  161. 87ForJameisNoMariota Says:

    I’ve wanted Jameis since 2013 though. I’m just going to flip out if I hear his named called with that pick.

    I’m hoping it gets leaked a few weeks before the draft so we can get the speculation over with.

  162. lurker Says:

    top 6 freeagent qb’s 2015:

    Jake Locker, QB, Titans. Age: 27.
    Jake Locker has potential, but he just can’t stay healthy. He has missed 18 games in the past two seasons with various injuries. Perhaps a strong offensive mind can get the most out of him – he’d be perfect in a Shanahan offense – but I don’t know how anyone can even count on him playing.

    Ryan Mallett, QB, Texans. Age: 27.
    Ryan Mallett had one solid start before capsizing in his next game with a chest injury. He was then put on IR. Mallett has great arm strength, but the mental part of his game is a big question mark.

    Mark Sanchez, QB, Eagles. Age: 28.
    When things are going well for Mark Sanchez, he looks great. However, it can quickly snowball on the inconsistent signal-caller, who is very prone to turnovers. Sanchez is a strong No. 2, but he’s not reliable enough to be a starter.

    Matt Moore, QB, Dolphins. Age: 31.
    Though he has barely played in the past couple of seasons, Matt Moore remains one of the top backup quarterbacks in the NFL.

    Brian Hoyer, QB, Browns. Age: 29.
    Brian Hoyer began the year well, but things quickly fell apart for him when Alex Mack was lost for the season. Hoyer proved that he can be a very strong backup in this league, but he needs everything to be right for things to go well for him.

    Shaun Hill, QB, Rams. Age: 35.
    Shaun Hill is one of the better backup quarterbacks in the NFL, but he had to start this past season because of Sam Bradford’s injury.

  163. 87ForJameisNoMariota Says:

    Hawaiian Buc…damn it now you both make great points.

  164. Mike10 Says:

    I don’t think I’ve heard anyone talk about taking an O lineman first overall.. that wouldn’t even make sense. Only if you trade back would you think about doing that… and as bad as this team is, I wouldn’t rule that out!

  165. Hawaiian Buc Says:


    You don’t have to, but your chances greatly increase. Do you trust our scouting that much to pick one later in the draft and get it right? What, in our entire history, would possibly lead you to believe that is even possible? Aren’t you tired of crappy QB play yet? I’m about the same age as our team, and we’ve never had one, and I’m old as hell. We will hopefully not pick this early in the draft for a really long time. LT is probably the easiest position to scout, or should I say the lowest bust percentage. Trade back up in the first to get one if need be. Or wait until next year. There’s a helluva lot better chance that we can get a premier LT in the draft next year than a QB.

  166. lurker Says:

    top 7 freeagent ot’s 2015

    Bryan Bulaga, OT, Packers. Age: 26.
    Bryan Bulaga is one of the top right tackles in the NFL. He was missed last year when he tore his ACL, but he rebounded in 2014, as it appeared as though he was never injured in the first place.

    Doug Free, OT, Cowboys. Age: 31.
    Doug Free was so awful during the 2012 season that there was speculation that he would be released. The Cowboys kept him, and it paid off, as he has been a very solid right tackle over the past two years, especially in run blocking.

    Michael Roos, OT, Titans. Age: 32.
    Michael Roos can still block well, but he’s a 32-year-old coming off knee surgery. He’ll be a risky signing, but could potentially still serve as a decent blind-side protector.

    King Dunlap, OT, Chargers. Age: 29.
    King Dunlap shocked the world by playing extremely well in 2013. He took a step backward this past season, but was still a solid blind-side protector, especially down the stretch.

    Joseph Barksdale, OT, Rams. Age: 27.
    Joseph Barksdale is a decent right tackle. He blew open big running lanes for Tre Mason this past season, but struggled a bit in pass protection, surrendering seven sacks.

    Jeremy Parnell, OT, Cowboys. Age: 29.
    The Cowboys didn’t have a drop-off in blocking when Doug Free got hurt late in the year. That’s because Jeremy Parnell played well when asked to start. Jerry Jones expressed confidence in Parnell in the past, telling the media that the former Ole Miss product is ready to “take the next step.”

    Derek Newton, OT, Texans. Age: 27.
    Derek Newton played some of the best football of his career down the stretch in 2014, but it’s hard to trust him to remain consistent in pass protection.

  167. 87ForJameisNoMariota Says:

    Mike, Mike, Mike…Mike…do you trust these guys with all those extra picks to make the right ones?

    I sure as hell do not at this moment.

  168. 87ForJameisNoMariota Says:

    Hawaiian Buc …winner winner chicken dinner!

  169. lurker Says:

    top 7 freeagent de’s 2015

    Jason Pierre-Paul, DE, Giants. Age: 26.
    Jason Pierre-Paul has been inconsistent throughout his career, but when he’s on, he’s nearly unstoppable. He registered 12.5 sacks in 2014, and he was playing some of his best football down the stretch. He’s only 26, so there’s time for him to get better and more consistent.

    Jerry Hughes, DE/OLB, Bills. Age: 27.
    There was some question about whether Jerry Hughes would work in the 4-3 defense Buffalo was installing this season. Hughes silenced the critics, matching his sack total (9.5) from 2013 and also playing well against the run. Hughes is far from the draft bust he looked like when he was with the Colts.

    Brian Orakpo, DE/OLB, Redskins. Age: 28.
    Brian Orakpo is one of the most talented pass-rushers in the NFL. The problem is that he’s injury-prone, having missed 24 games over the past three seasons. He tore his pectoral in October.

    Brandon Graham, DE, Eagles. Age: 27.
    Despite being miscast as a 3-4 outside linebacker, Brandon Graham put lots of pressure on the quarterback and held up well against the run in 2014. He’ll be even better in a more natural 4-3 scheme.

    Greg Hardy, DE, Panthers. Age: 27.
    It’s difficult to rank Greg Hardy. He’d have a 4.5-star rating under normal circumstances, given that he’s one of the top pass-rushers in the NFL. His domestic-abuse issue looms large, however. I’ll bump him down a star.

    Pernell McPhee, DE/OLB, Ravens. Age: 26.
    Playing behind Elvis Dumervil and Terrell Suggs, Pernell McPhee put great pressure on the quarterback, racking up 7.5 sacks despite being on the field for limited snaps. He also handled the run well.

    Jabaal Sheard, DE/OLB, Browns. Age: 26.
    An adequate pass-rusher who is very forceful in run support, Jabaal Sheard played well last year until a foot injury, which was believed to be season-ending, hindered him in late November and December. Sheard should be better next year once his foot is repaired. He’ll be just 26 in May.

  170. Buc-O's 82 Says:

    We will cut Johnson and trade Glennon and in 2 years it’ll haunt us when they’re in the Super Bowl. Well maybe not Johnson, just Glennon.

  171. Mike10 Says:

    Well played 87

    And hell no, but you got a better chance of choosing right when you have twice as many guesses

  172. LUVMYBUCS Says:

    1 29 Dominique Easley DT
    1 21 Chandler Jones DE
    1 25 Dont’a Hightower LB
    1 17 Nate Solder T
    1 10 Jerod Mayo ILB
    1 32 Logan Mankins G
    1 21 Vince Wilfork NT
    1 13 Ty Warren DE
    1 6 Richard Seymour DT
    1 17 Damien Woody C

  173. 87ForJameisNoMariota Says:

    Lurker…how about free agent punters…we need one of those too.

  174. Hawaiian Buc Says:

    Trading back is an equivalent philosophy of getting rid of Revis for 3 free agents (how did that work out?). It’s the same as cutting Vincent Jackson for a 5th round pick. At some point, you have to grab your franks and beans, and take a chance to get a freaking superstar! Would you rather buy 15 used cars and hope you get a good one, or buy one brand new Bentley? I’m going to go with the Bentley.

  175. lurker Says:

    see…better talent can be had in freeagency with ot’s or de’s than qb’s!

  176. lurker Says:

    we have mankins so our oline is solid then, right?

  177. 87ForJameisNoMariota Says:

    Hawaiian Buc…yep we both agree on this and that’s rare.

    That’s why I say roll the dice and take a chance. If he’s a bust and the team sucks, what’s the difference.

    It’s not like we’re not used to it.

    Roll the dice.

  178. lurker Says:

    only 2 punters listed and 1 is rfa:

    Brett Kern, P, Titans. Age: 29.
    Brett Kern was among the leaders in net punting average in 2014, though he didn’t have a high percentage of attempts placed inside the 20.

    Chris Jones (RFA), P, Cowboys. Age: 26.

  179. lurker Says:

    alia iacta est

  180. Hawaiian Buc Says:


    Why are you listing guys that aren’t even on the team anymore? What exactly does that prove?

    If there was a draft today where you could pick existing NFL players, picks number one through 10 would be QB’s. I wonder why????

  181. lurker Says:

    when they tanked the last half, the die was cast for winston/mariota!

  182. Mike10 Says:

    Ya look I agree, I think our best bet is getting a QB at the top..

    Devil’s advocate tho – I don’t really believe either of these 2 guys are elite right now, especially when they will definitely be seeing the field their first year. Let someone else handcuff themselves with a top 3 pick at QB – that carries higher immediate and long term risk than a OLman or DT/DE

  183. lurker Says:


    is jj watt considered a qb, too?

  184. lurker Says:

    then when do we roll the dice for a top qb, mike? maybe their plan is to always be sucky enough for a high draft pick.

  185. Soggy Says:

    @lurker, Thats a good point about if we tanked it would have to be for a QB..

  186. 87ForJameisNoMariota Says:

    Mike10…I think our shiny new QB might have different head coach in 2 years.

    I said might.

  187. LUVMYBUCS Says:

    Nah, I was just listing how a Championship Organization spends their 1st round picks. They focus on the front 7 or the online.

    We NEED extra premium picks. I don’t see a top tier LT in this draft. Drango & Stanley went back to school. But we can completely revamp both sides of the interior line with this draft+ a quality MLB

    I’ll drop a Mock this week, you can agree or disagree.

  188. 87ForJameisNoMariota Says:

    I was under the assumption they we’re tanking since week 7 or so. Atleast it made the losses easier for me to deal with. Just kept telling myself they’re doing this on purpose.

    I did see more than a few dumb play calls throughout the season that gave me pause. It did look like they were tanking.

  189. Hawaiian Buc Says:


    You’d take JJ Watt over Andrew Luck, Tom Brady, Russell Wilson, Aaron Rodgers, etc.? He’s fantastic, but his position just isn’t as valuable. As great as he was this year, he didn’t make the playoffs. Do you know why? Ryan Fitzpatrick.

  190. Mike10 Says:

    Too many people think because u draft him high, he then becomes your franchise QB… That’s how bad teams continue to chase their tail

    Two QBs today were first round picks (only 1 a high first rd pick), and 2 weren’t in the first… And how many teams found their potential franchise guy that wasn’t a first round pick as compared to those who picked a QB in the first round?

  191. Mike10 Says:

    talking about this past year

  192. Hawaiian Buc Says:


    They can afford to spend first round picks on linemen because they already have a QB. Agree?

  193. lurker Says:


    they already have brady so a qb wasn’t needed in the first….boom.

    there goes that theory.

  194. Waterboy Says:

    Blount was the player of the game. Good ole Schiano and Dom

  195. lurker Says:


    i was joking man, since he threw and caught a pass this year.

  196. Mike10 Says:

    Anyone else hear Bennett referred to as Seattle’s “best Defensive lineman BY FAR”?

    Gotta Love them Bucs baby

  197. LUVMYBUCS Says:

    @Hawaiian Buc

    Lol..sure. with the Patriots that would be the case.

  198. 87ForJameisNoMariota Says:

    SMH Mike.

  199. Hawaiian Buc Says:

    @Mike 10,

    You are talking about a very small sample size. How many Russell Wilson’s and Tom Brady’s are there out there? Again, why do you trust our franchise to pick a 1 in 1000 pick? Tom Brady is an absolute freakish scenario that will probably never be duplicated. Get over it already. You have to play the percentages. Percentage wise, it’s not even close. The better QB’s (and consequently better teams) are the ones with high first round picks (and a fair share of #1 picks). You are over thinking things.

    Again, we could pick a bust. It won’t be the first bust #1 pick, and it won’t be the last. Hell, we’ve botched how many first round picks, and even a couple #1 overalls. It is what it is. But you have to take a shot when you have a chance. We won’t improve unless we get a good QB. This is the easiest, or should I say highest probability, chance to get one. To go otherwise would be stupid.

  200. 87ForJameisNoMariota Says:

    Alright, I’m out of here. You guys have a good night.

    Go Bucs!

  201. lurker Says:

    there is no guarantee that bennett woulda resigned here. there was probably a squabble over what he was worth and he thought he could make more on the market.

  202. lurker Says:


  203. Tampabaybucfan Says:

    Screw LGB……Steelers found out what we found out… he can play for the Pats….so what…

  204. Mike10 Says:


    Look I agree, % wise, picking number 1 should get you the best chance at a QB. And honestly, I hope those choosing think the hell out of this pick because the person you take first overall better be playing for your team (let alone in the NFL) in 10 years – otherwise you don’t take a safety at 7 or a DE with a genetic defect that limits his arm length. But Mr. Winston could very easily be a Jamarcus Russell/Vince Young, especially throwing him out there his first year without an Oline.. I just don’t want to screw this up with a QB, when there Leonard Williams/Randy Gregory/Dante Fowler becomes someone’s star DE for the next decade….

  205. Jonathan Says:

    And to think we gave up REVIS, Blount, and TALIB for Sh!t.

  206. ToesOnTheLine! Says:

    The big difference I see on the draft a QB at #1 vs. trade down or draft Williams (or draft whoever) isn’t that we don’t agree that you need a decent QB but rather where you stand on Glennon. Those that think he’s garbage are willing to burn the #1 on a guy who either has off field concerns or game mechanics concerns whereas those that believe Glennon + better pass protection with the WR’s now on the roster can be good enough with a solid defense (think Ravens blueprint). It’s all opinion, so I don’t get calling anyone stupid at this point since one or both these “franchise QB’s” talked about daily on JBF could slide down the Bucs draft board.

  207. Hawaiian Buc Says:


    I gotcha. And believe me, I agree with you in theory. But we just have to have a QB. I can’t take too much more suckage from the Qb position. It’s become unbearable. I’d rather pick a QB and take my chances he doesn’t bust than pick a fantastic DE (or LT, or anything else).

  208. Hawaiian Buc Says:

    For real guys, I enjoy debating with all you guys. I like to call some guys out, because it makes it fun and keeps me interested. You guys are all great fans (well, most of you, lol) and if not for you guys, I would probably visit this site much less frequently. If everyone agreed with me, it wouldn’t be any fun.

  209. LUVMYBUCS Says:


  210. Ray Rice Says:

    Logan Mankins just got a kick to the balls with steel toe boots.

  211. BucFan20 Says:

    Andrew Luck still will have no Super Bowl ring. Guess it is more than just the QB.

  212. BucFan20 Says:

    Can we drop all the Andrew luck garbage now?

  213. MariotaOrWinstonOrWalkdaPlank Says:

    I’d take Luck over any QB we’ve had in the last 10 years.

  214. BucFan20 Says:

    Andrew Luck just did what any QB would do behind our offense. All the talk about we need the next Andrew Luck just showed up again. He is home. It takes a team. Not just the #1 QB

  215. MadMax Says:

    @87, for punter? Use a 7th on Spencer Roth (Baylor)

  216. MadMax Says:

    If we do draft Winston, we damn well better trade back into the 1st for Cam Erving, his center. I’d draft that guy anyway, even if we dont draft Winston.