Chucky And Marcus Mariota Are A Bad Marriage

December 30th, 2014

“Marcus, M&M, whatever the hell they call you, I don’t even like my guys in the freakin’ shotgun, let alone that Mickey Mouse sh#@ you ran in college. I don’t see no freakin’ ring on Chip Kelly’s finger. Get your ass in here early Monday and watch more film of Griese.”

While illustrating the importance of the Buccaneers’ imminent offensive coordinator hiring, a former Bucs player felt compelled to say Chucky would be a bad fit with a guy like Marcus Mariota.

Ex-Bucs tight end Dave Moore joined Ronnie and TKras on WDAE-AM 620 and explained a guy like Mariota will need a special guiding hand because he’s coming from a college offense largely foreign to the NFL.

Yes, there’s a learning curve — a huge one for a spread offense QB like Mariota.

Moore said the hardest thing to do offensively is effectively marrying the offensive coordinator, quarterback and quarterbacks coach, so they all look at a defense and see it the same way.

“That’s the biggest question from an offensive standpoint: What style are you going to run and who’s going to call it? And then from there you kind of work backwards,” Moore said. “Get an offensive line that works that style. Get a quarterback who fits that style.”

On building around a guy like Mariota, Moore looked to the Gruden struggles up north.

“You don’t want to put him in a Jon Gruden style offense,” Moore said. “You can see the struggles RGIII’s having up in Washington with the old West Coast/Joe Montana-style of offense. Jameis Winston has more of that pro-style experience, if you decide to go [with a current] college [QB].”

You can hear the rest of Moore’s Bucs takes below, via the audio player.

89 Responses to “Chucky And Marcus Mariota Are A Bad Marriage”

  1. Tampabaybucfan Says:

    Mariota can learn……we may have to sit him for a year….but he will be fine.

    If we want Winston….we should at least trade down with Tenn because Winston won’t be the first pick…..Mariota will!!!

  2. Waterboy Says:

    Has there ever been a great pro qb to come out of a spread offense in college? Alex Smith played in one but took almost 7 yrs to finally develop into an acceptable pro.

  3. BoJim Says:

    Read this morning that Lovie doesn’t really care for a spread offense. Thinks the QB will eventually get hurt. I strongly agree. Don’t know what they’ll do in the draft but it won’t be Mariota.

  4. snook Says:

    Trade down with Tennessee?


    Why would anyone do that?

  5. BoJim Says:

    Lovie doesn’t want Mariota.

  6. Luther Says:

    I was all for Mariota until I went back and looked at the games of Mariota and Winston. You can’t deny that Winston is special. He makes great decisions in reading disguised coverages and knows how to check down when needed. I know Mariota is the popular choice but if I’m looking for a QB that knows how to run a pro style offense, Jameis Winston is you guy.

  7. Joseph Mamma Says:

    I know of a worse marriage. Lovie Smith and: any young QB on earth.

  8. Skyline Crew for Mariota or Winston Says:

    Did you mean Jay Gruden who is the coach here in Washington? Jon hasn’t coached since the Bucs.

  9. BirdDoggers Says:

    Gruden and almost any QB is a bad marriage. Gruden would have a problem with Peyton Manning if he was lucky enough to be his coach.

  10. Tampabaybucfan Says:

    Lovie won’t make the QB decision….it will be made by the new OC….that’s what Lovie will have to give up to get a good OC….

    I just somehow don’t see Lovie picking Winston.

  11. Tom Edrington Says:

    Everyone knows Gruden can’t develop a quarterback…..he walked into the perfect situation here, as did Dungy in Indy.

    Gruden has a four-year shelf life, that’s why he’s staying at ESPN, easy money, no stress, no risk, cool gig, no one screaming for him to get fired….

  12. Waterboy Says:

    @Luther where did you find the Oregon games? I’ve been wanting to look at film on Mariota too but can’t find any full games posted like I can for Winston.

  13. biff barker Says:

    After the famous meltdown from the feeble minded Freeman, maturity issues will keep the Bucs from picking Winston.

    This is compelling case to go with Trestman or Chud if we do go with Mariotta.

  14. bucs4lyfe Says:


  15. Justin Says:

    Agree with Moore completely. Start building the O-line just like Dallas did. It’s working out for them pretty well, wouldn’t you say?

    Trade down and get Brandon Scherff, he looks unreal in this…

  16. Skyline Crew for Mariota or Winston Says:

    Waterboy Says:
    December 30th, 2014 at 9:32 am

    Has there ever been a great pro qb to come out of a spread offense in college? Alex Smith played in one but took almost 7 yrs to finally develop into an acceptable pro.

    Drew Brees played in a spread offense. Russell Wilson is doing fine in a spread offense in Seattle, Aaron Rodgers is doing fine with the spread in GB, Tom Brady did fine in the spread when NE ran it, Peyton Manning is putting up great numbers with the spread in Denver. Eagles use the spread offense and they did well this year. If Foles hadn’t gotten injured and their defensive secondary was better they would be in the playoffs. Cam Newton got his team to the playoffs this year over Matt Ryan.

    If the QB is smart and has a strong work ethic they will do fine. If they are lazy and all about themselves (RG3) then it doesn’t work out. Also, Mariota practices with his center and during the offseason on taking snaps from under center. He is already working on that stuff so I don’t think it will be that big of an issue. The combine will tell more, but he is a very intelligent QB and has a great work ethic. I believe he will do just fine.

  17. Skyline Crew for Mariota or Winston Says:

    Aaron Rodgers was questioned about being a product of the system when he was being drafted. He turned out fine.

  18. MadMax Says:

    This is the ONLY reason why I would take Winston over Mariota…..but Mariota is smart and seems to have his maturity, his attitude and his emotions in the right place to learn something new and grow into it.

  19. Ra'Shad Says:

    The Gruden caption is priceless.

  20. bucs4lyfe Says:

    Personally I think there were two scenario’s from the bucs saw on sunday when whoever realized we were going to win that game then decided that’s not a good idea

    either lovie wants the control of getting draft picks and is more than willing to trade down or the bucs already know exactly which quarterback they wanted and losing that game was an easy way to assure they get him….smart move by the bucs to lose that game and now everyone in the league has to come to you like your king and their offering gold. glennon will also be traded for picks, I would say doug martin too but bobby rainey disappeared

  21. Luther Says:

    @Waterboy do a google search for “Mariota draft breakdown” and it should be the top couple of links.

  22. MadMax Says:

    Joseph Mamma Says:
    December 30th, 2014 at 9:45 am
    I know of a worse marriage. Lovie Smith and: any young QB on earth.

    Exactly! Thats why Leonard Williams should be the pick. We’re still going to struggle next year with Mariota or Winston….could even get them injured badly with our O line and Lovie’s lack of talent recognition in that dept. We’ll probably be picking high next year anyway…..too many holes on the offense. Thats why I say suck it up now, go pass rush with Williams and get a star QB nest year if still needed.

  23. Snook Says:

    Gruden also would have a problem with Mariota who doesn’t call plays pre-snap. They’re signaled in from the sidelines.

    And enough with the Winston-Freeman comparisons. Winston plays at a big time program and has won many big games. Freeman never did that. Also, Winston is much more accurate.

    Same with the Winston-Manziel comparisons. Manziel is a partier which is his main criticism. Winston is not.

    And the rape stuff needs to end. Cleared by 3 different entities. Not enough evidence and the accuser has changed her story 10 times.

  24. bucrightoff Says:

    Fire Lovie, trade this years second and next year’s first to Philly for Chip Kelly, draft Mariota. Everyone wins (well except the Eagles and the Lovie nut riders).

  25. Supersam Says:

    mariota will be fine, it’s not always about X’s and O’s but about Jims and joes. We need a positive face of the franchise someone who isn’t a thief and a accused rapist. What’s lovies one big rule?? Anyone?? No cussing!! Winston cusses more than a drink sailor, no way in hell this guys in Tampa next year. Winston is not a lovie smith type of person, neither was Johnny tardy. Sorry joe ain’t happening

  26. Eric Says:

    Yeah that Gruden did awful with QB’s.

    MVP Gannon
    Pro Bowler Johnson
    Pro Bowler Garcia

    Winston was exonerated by the police, state attorney, and retired Supreme Court justice.

    Lovie will love the guy once he learns who the real Winston is. A good kid who made a couple of childish decisions in college, as many others have done.

  27. Love and Warrick Dunn Says:

    “Drew Brees played in a spread offense. Russell Wilson is doing fine in a spread offense in Seattle, Aaron Rodgers is doing fine with the spread in GB, Tom Brady did fine in the spread when NE ran it, Peyton Manning is putting up great numbers with the spread in Denver. ”

    The question is not about what QBs played in a spread in the NFL, but, rather which QBs played in a spread in college, and then had to adjust to a pro-style system in the NFL.

    Brees? Yeah, Tiller’s offense was a spread.

    Wilson? No.

    Rodgers? Partially

    Brady? Lloyd Carr? No.

    Peyton Manning? No

  28. Nybucsfan Says:

    No way we draft a guy that has a rap sheet. Mariota is the right pick a good smart guy don’t have to worrie about your wife and kids.

  29. Skyline Crew for Mariota or Winston Says:


    Sorry, but many people aren’t stealing crab legs, stealing pop, shooting out windows with bb guns, and being accused of rape. If you take the rape out he still has a bad rap sheet for a high profile person. When is he going to learn? FSU enables him by him never getting in trouble for anything. Sure he got a one game suspension and maybe that sunk in as he hasn’t done anything since, but damn man, is the kid really that stupid?

  30. Tampabaybucfan Says:


    “Fire Lovie, trade this years second and next year’s first to Philly for Chip Kelly, draft Mariota. Everyone wins (well except the Eagles and the Lovie nut riders).”

    Wow….what a genius!!! Why didn’t any of us think of that!!!

  31. lightningbuc Says:

    I love how the Winston jock sniffers, i.e. FSU fans, dismiss Winston’s actions as childish college pranks which most everyone has done. I went to college. I saw childish pranks. Those are things like streaking across campus drunk, soaping a fountain, TP’ing a sorority. I NEVER saw or knew of anyone stealing from a grocery store. I NEVER saw or knew of anyone shooting up people’s property with BB/pellet guns. I NEVER knew anyone who stood in a student union, got up on a table, and yelled at the top of their lungs “F$%K Her in the P*$&Y!, especially after already being accused of rape. These are things that people of a sound mind don’t do, no matter their age.

  32. bucrightoff Says:

    Mariota is a QB from Oregon
    Mariota is a system QB from the spread
    Mariota is a Heisman winner.

    Those are three pretty big marks against Mariota. Those things in recent history usually equate to bust on their own. All together? Yikes. Jameis only has the Heisman against him. I’d prefer not to take a Heisman winner but it seems like those are the only two choices here.

  33. Skyline Crew for Mariota or Winston Says:

    Brees, Rodgers, Newton, Wilson.

    “During his career at NC State, Russell Wilson completed 682 passes for 8,545 yards and 76 touchdowns. He averaged a 55 pass completion percentage, and not to mention his mobility. With the Wolfpack, Wilson ran a variation of the spread offense.”

    Wilson did run a spread offense while at NC State before the team dismissed him because of baseball and then he went to Wisconsin, which is a more traditional offense.

  34. Love and Warrick Dunn Says:

    “being accused of rape.”

    Also accused of rape:

    Brian Banks
    Duke Lacrosse
    Mark Sanchez

    Anyone can be accused a crime. Doesn’t mean they are guilty. It just takes one liar…for instance, Brian Bank’s accuser. Would you also describe Brian Banks as accused of rape? Or would you describe him as wrongfully convicted and served time due to a liar?

    Stealing crabs? Or, taking the wrap for FSU players getting the hookup at Publix?

    Stealing pop? Raise your hands if any of your friends also drank some coke out of a ketchup cup back in the day. Is it ok? No, but, it’s also benign and immature.

    How many NFL front offices are worried about what player can run their offense, and how many are worried about coke in a ketchup cup and shooting bb guns?

  35. Tom Says:

    With Winston you have a natural leader who hates losing with every fibre of his body. With Marriota you have a spectacular athlete.

    But that could be the difference between a super bowl team and just a pretty good team

  36. Skyline Crew for Mariota or Winston Says:

    Bucrightoff, You can give Winston a strike for being a QB from FSU.


  37. port richey george Says:

    you don’t waste a #1 overall draft pick on a guy like M. he has not proven he can play in the pro style offense. learning curves are NOT for #1 overall picks. the guy should be a slam dunk ready to play from day one QB. jameis Winston fits the bill. also, how many option QB’S after a couple of years are succeeding in the NFL? answer zero. M is very thin and his body will not withstand the punishment. lovie has stated to the press he really likes 4 of his offensive linemen. whomever is the QB will be taking a lot of HITS!

  38. Waterboy Says:

    Thanks Love and Warrick Dunn you beat me to my reply. As far as a smart QB why do people keep making the assumption that Mariota is smart but Winston isn’t? I know that Winston was a 4.0 student in HS and a 3.6 in college. I haven’t looked into Mariota’s academics but would be curious to know.

  39. Love and Warrick Dunn Says:

    “Wilson did run a spread offense while at NC State.”

    And which of the one that you listed ran the Spread Option in college that Helfrich runs? Not spread offense, spread option. There’s a difference.

    What Cam Newton ran in college (spread option) is vastly different than, say, Joe Tiller’s spread offense at Purdue.

  40. bucrightoff Says:

    Look we all know the primary reason Lovie would choose Mariota over Winston: Jesus. Namely, Mariota loves him and Jameis might be the anti-Christ.

  41. Waterboy Says:

    Sorry, Joe doesn’t do links like that. Joe likes to keep readers here. –Joe

  42. Luther Says:

    @MadMax where are we supposed to get this star QB next year? We haven’t had a chance since 1987 to draft this high and you want a Defensive line guy when we have need for a QB? I just don’t understand some of these posts. If you have a QB in place, you grab other needs, if you need a QB and you are at the top of the draft, you grab the best guy there. Will there be some misses? ABSOLUTELY…but you must grab a guy or you have NO chance.

    Winston and Mariota are the cream of the crop so either one of those guys is the pick and right now I’m leaning Winston after wanting Mariota for much of the year.

  43. sethb22 Says:

    Some numbers for Thought…

    32 Teams in the NFL, 16 QB Starters are 1st round Picks. 16 Aren’t.

    There have been 27 1st Round Quarterbacks selected in the last 10 drafts.
    8 have been to pro bowls, 5 have been more than one.
    4 Pro Bowlers have been taken after Round 1.
    12 of the 27 are Starters in the league.
    6 are out of the league.
    2 have won a Super Bowl. ( A-Rod, J.Flacco)

    A 1st Round QB has played in each of the last 5 Super Bowls.

    Russel Wilson (3rd Round) -Winning QB v. Peyton Manning (1st Round)
    Joe Flacco (1st Round) -Winning QB v. Colin Kaepernick (2nd Round)
    Eli Manning (1st Round) -Winning QB v. Tom Brady (6th Round)
    Aaron Rodgers (1st Round) -Winning QB v. Big Ben (1st Round)
    Drew Brees (2nd Round) -Winning QB v. Peyton Manning (1st Round)

    7 of 12 Playoff teams have 1st Round QB’s leading the way. 4 were #1 Picks.

    Just some numbers for thought.

    Argubaly the top 10 QB’s in the NFL.

    1. Aaron Rodgers -Late 1st Round
    2. Peyton Manning -1st Overall
    3. Tom Brady -6th Round
    4. Andrew Luck -1st Overall
    5. Drew Brees -2nd Round
    6. Tony Romo – Undrafted
    7. Russel Wilson -3rd Round
    8. Ben Rothlisburger -1st Rounder
    9. Phillip Rivers -1st Rounder
    10. Colin Kaepernick -2nd Rounder

    5 of “Arguably the top 10 QB’s” weren’t drafted with a 1st Round Pick.


  44. Skyline Crew for Mariota or Winston Says:

    Port Richey, Winston and Mariota are the same size. Winston has maybe 10-15 pounds on Mariota. Nothing. They are the same height.

  45. BuccaneerBonzai Says:

    I think it depends on who the OC is and what Quarterback we get outside of the draft.

    If we bring in someone that can start for a year or so, sitting Mariota would not be a big deal. But it would have to be someone that can win games, because McCown is not that guy.

    I’m actually all for keeping McCown on the roster as the number three option. His professional off season habits are outstanding, and would make him the ideal off season mentor. During the season? Not sure.

    I think McCown is one of those guys better suited to coaching. Like Dungy or Gruden were.

  46. BuccaneerBonzai Says:

    sethb22 Says
    Argubaly the top 10 QB’s in the NFL.

    1. Aaron Rodgers -Late 1st Round
    2. Peyton Manning -1st Overall
    3. Tom Brady -6th Round
    4. Andrew Luck -1st Overall
    5. Drew Brees -2nd Round
    6. Tony Romo – Undrafted
    7. Russel Wilson -3rd Round
    8. Ben Rothlisburger -1st Rounder
    9. Phillip Rivers -1st Rounder
    10. Colin Kaepernick -2nd Rounder

    5 of “Arguably the top 10 QB’s” weren’t drafted with a 1st Round Pick.


    Could have just as easily said:
    “5 of “Arguably the top 10 QB’s” were drafted with a 1st Round Pick.”

    Its all relative.

  47. Tampabaybucfan Says:

    Multi-sport Heisman wlnner FSU…..Charlie Ward

  48. Jim Says:

    I think Mariota will stay in college rather than come to Tampa and Winston will play Baseball if he is drafted by the Bucs.

  49. BuccaneerBonzai Says:


    I think its also important to point out that 4 of the 5 not taken in the first round were lucky strikes. No one knew they would be good, so it was very random. The only one that isn’t true with is Brees.

    Otherwise they would have been taken sooner.

    It’s a 50-50 shot at best, but that’s better than the odds outside the first…which is maybe 15-85.

  50. BuccaneerBonzai Says:


    If you have so little respect for the team, why are you a fan at all? Or are you one of those people who have a purely negative outlook on things?

    There are many positives with this team, if you decide to look for them instead of ignoring them. Set your emotions aside.

  51. Eric Says:

    Manning mooned a trainer and the university had to pay a big award to her. He apologized later in his book.

    Crab legs, BB Guns for squirrels?

    Oh the inhumanity of it all.

    I think Brooks took some free stuff from foot locker back in the day.

    Ever think maybe the media portrayal of this kid isn’t the reality?

  52. lightningbuc Says:

    Anyone can be accused a crime. Doesn’t mean they are guilty.



    Of course you’re right. But when someone is accused, the citizenry expect the police department to do a thorough and fair investigation into the allegation, something that didn’t happen with the Tallahassee Police Dept.

    All of you FSU fans keep telling us there was no evidence. You’re right – there was none – because the Tallahassee Police didn’t try to find any, as has been well documented. And did anyone really believe that a judge hired by FSU would have found Winston, their meal ticket, guilty of anything?

  53. Skyline Crew for Mariota or Winston Says:

    Manning wasn’t accused of rape.

  54. sethb22 Says:

    I’m not saying don’t draft a QB #1. I was just bringing the reality of drafting a QB #1 overall into the forefront.

    QB’s selected #1 Overall have fared well actually. I thinks it’s definitely a big risk though, It’s closer to 30% success rate than 50/50 if you compare total 1st round QB’s drafted to pro bowl players.

    I think the risk is even bigger with Mariota because we don’t know how inflated his #’s are based on the system. Need I remind you the same system made Mark Snchez look pretty good this season. Dennis Dixon, Nick Foles… It seems most QB’s that play in that system are successful.

    I know Mariota has the tools to be elite. But so did Jamarcus Russell.

    I think we as fans get enamored with the QB position. It’s extreemly important, but it isn’t nearly as important if you can’t keep the guy off his back.

    Name an NFL team with a great O-line that is bad…

    If our O-line is this bad next year than Mariota has to transition to a pro style read system, slowing his decision making process. How long will he last?

    Like I said, not against drafting a QB, just need to address some line issues first. At least thats my opinion

  55. Nybucsfan Says:

    Winston is a criminal. Let’s not be stupid not a lot of me guys are good NFL QBs. It’s clear he only cares about himself. A team player wouldn’t do things that keep you from playing and helping your team criminal

  56. Waterboy Says:

    Joe won’t let me post links but Google “Mariota’s gpa” and “successful Nfl qb’s that played in spread offense in college”. Both topics are very relevant to the Mariota vs. Winston draft debates. Yoga? They actually offer that as a college class? Lol

  57. Skyline Crew for Mariota or Winston Says:

    Spread offense or Spread Option, it doesn’t matter they all take snaps from the shotgun and not under center. Spread Option they look to hand off to the RB each play or then pass. Spread offense you look to pass. None of them are under center. A lot of big programs run the spread option. I think GT is the only one that runs a triple option though.

    Spread option is run by Miss St., Ole Miss, Oregon, Arizona, and Ohio St. are just some notable programs that run it.

    Spread option is just a sub-type to the Spread Offense. If it can be used in the NFL why wouldn’t a player from college be able to do it in the NFL as well? Are only none spread offensive QBs from college able to run a spread offense in the NFL? No, they are not.

    Now I would agree I wouldn’t want Mariota if he played like Manziel or like RG3, but he doesn’t. He is very effective when passing and stretching the field in order to get a receiver open.

    Bonus: he doesn’t come with baggage like Winston does.

  58. Skyline Crew for Mariota or Winston Says:

    Waterboy, when you receive your degree a year early and stay to play football you have to take classes. He chose yoga and golf. He gets to continue to play football, why not? If Winston were to get his degree early, would you complain that he is taking 2 classes so he can continue to play football?

  59. Nybucsfan Says:

    Mariota has two things teams want a brain and a hard worker

  60. BuccaneerBonzai Says:

    Waterboy Says
    “Has there ever been a great pro qb to come out of a spread offense in college?”

    Several. The most recent, I think, is Cam Newton.

  61. Skyline Crew for Mariota or Winston Says:

    Seth, are you saying that only O-Line can be taken in the 1st rd? There will not be any available in the 2nd, 3rd, or 4th round? There are 5 picks right there. I’m guessing they draft a OL in there some where.

  62. Eric Says:

    The police did a rape kit. At the time the accuser did not want to press charges. When the police tried to follow up with her she did not show up for the appointment. Not until she hooked up with the Aunt/lawyer who thought she would never consent to sex with a black man.

    What evidence is out there that the police missed?

    All the witnesses to the allegation were spoken to. Nothing would have been the slightest bit different had they started the investigation earlier, against the wishes of the victim. (except they may have gotten her social media posts that she deleted)

    it is a he said – she said case. Time did not change that in any way.

    Although its really a she said – they said case, since the accusers own friends did not back up her story and, in fact, contradicted it.

    No state attorney would ever file such a case. A first year law student could have destroyed this accuser.

    The man was cleared. Let it go.

  63. Skyline Crew for Mariota or Winston Says:

    Mariota took his last final exam Monday, Dec. 8, just as word came that he was an official Heisman finalist. With a 3.22 grade-point average, he will graduate this term, earning a general science degree with an emphasis in human physiology.

    “General science requires a lot of labs, which can be difficult to schedule around practice and games,” Stolp said. “But from the beginning Marcus was directed and motivated on wanting to earn a degree that could allow him to go into sports medicine or physical therapy.”

    “In addition to the fact that he’s in a tough major, he also graduated in three years and one term, which is pretty astonishing for any student, athlete or not,” Stolp said.

    Even as Mariota gained the national attention as a top quarterback, he focused on his schoolwork. While attending the Manning Passing Academy during the summer of 2013, Mariota was also taking his 200-level biology series. When other top college athletes were out partying at night, Mariota was studying for exams.


    I’ll take that any day of the week and twice on Sunday. A kid who is a hard worker and knows what he wants and goes out and gets it done.

  64. Skyline Crew for Mariota or Winston Says:

    I guess a General Science degree is better than have an Exploratory (undecided) degree.

  65. Skyline Crew for Mariota or Winston Says:

    Eric, you brought up Manning. He was never charged with anything, but you felt compelled to bring his name up for mooning a trainer. Manning did that 2 years before he was drafted and didn’t get in trouble again. Winston was accused of rape 2 years ago and is still getting in trouble.

  66. BuccaneerBonzai Says:


    We’re entering the time of year when we all put a lot of thought into things like this, so I understand your concerns.

    As to his school, Marcus Mariota took more classes in previous years so that he could be freed up more for football in his last year. In order to play, he had to take classes, but since he had taken all those he needed and already earned his degree, he took classes that would help him physically. Really, if you think about it, this shows he plans ahead. That’s a good thing to see in a quarterback.

    Honestly, I’m not sure yet which QB I prefer, but there is plenty of time. I seem to flip-flop several times each day. When it comes down to it, here are the things to consider on each:

    1. Will his knee last or will injuries be a regular thing with him?
    2. Can he make the adjustment to the pros?
    3. Will he be a Cam Newton or a Josh McCown?

    1. Will his off the field behavior continue into the pros?
    2. Can he make the adjustment to the pros? Just because he plays a system that is pro-like, that doesn’t mean he’ll do well in the real thing.
    3. Can his interceptions be more controlled?

    There are things I like about both QBs. Things I don’t like as well. But this is a big decision, so deciding quickly is not a good idea. Take the time to make the right choice.

  67. Love and Warrick Dunn Says:


    Was the rape kit not credible?

    Were the 2 separate tox tests not credible? FDLE and UF Chem lab.

    Her friend testified she said she was at a party and hit her head. No signs. No signs of being drugged.

    How many boyfriends (second set of DNA) refuse to cooperate in a rape investigation of their own girlfriend?

    Was her own friend, Monique Kessler not credible when she testified about the text message, and the accuser asking if she should leave? Directly conflicting her multiple versions of events.

    TPD is TPD. Their inadequacies have been shown many times over the years, for example, Rachel Hoffman. But, the investigation that was done showed far the enough to poke holes many times through in her multiple versions of events. It’s not just one thing, it’s many, many things like that in the investigation. You guys just don’t want to hear it.

    Further, you question if an incomplete investigation for rape could allow someone to wrongly go free. I point to the Brian Banks case. By all cases, this case was properly investigated, and you STILL had a guy being wrongly convicted of rape and going to prison. When girls lie about rape, it her ALL true rape victims. How about the UVA accuser? Those types are setting back rape victims far more than TPD.

    I wish the Potbellies tape had been collected, but, her own friends testimony conflicts so much with hers. She said she felt forced to get in the car? But, she asked her friend is she should go? She was around crowds of people at the cabs, but, felt forced?

  68. Barry Says:

    Thank you JG for SB37 How we miss you here in Tampa.

  69. Eric Says:

    Yeah Skyline Manning was never charged with anything, so the University must have covered it up, right?

    And Winston was not charged with anything regarding the rape, but you still persist in bringing it up.

    We’ve already got a studious QB in Glennon. How’s that worked out?

    According to the coaches Winston studies film for three hours a night after practice……….guess Jimbo and his staff are a bunch of liars about that too.

  70. Skyline Crew for Mariota or Winston Says:

    Eric, the university paid the girl in a settlement. It is widely known what happened and how much she was paid. Even after Manning wrote his book in 2002 she came back and settled again because she called him a liar, but she got paid.

    I don’t know what Winston does and haven’t said he doesn’t study. If you want to throw Winston out in the fire that is fine. I only bring up the fact that he hasn’t learned from his actions. He continues to get in trouble regardless. I blame him and the university and the team for allowing that to happen. Obviously he has maturity issues. Hopefully he gets it figured out. I think it would be best for him to stay another year and see if he can mature, otherwise, you could have another Manziel on your hands or even a Freeman. Newton was in trouble in college, but he cleaned up his act before coming in to the draft. Winston hasn’t done that yet.

  71. Skyline Crew for Mariota or Winston Says:


    I don’t remember Glennon ever being a #1 draft pick. He was a 3rd round draft pick. If you thought you were going to get a Tom Brady or something you were mistaken. Glennon hasn’t been given a fair chance either as a true starter. He just keeps getting thrown in to situations. I would like to see him in his 3rd year where he is able to compete for the QB position and actually get a fair shot. The coaching staff never gave him a fair shot and never named him the starter. That has to mess with you and obviously it did as frustrations came to light during the season. Glennon is still better than McCown though. Also, Glennon is better than his draft class and arguably better than last years draft class at this point. Not bad for a 3rd rounder. However, you can’t compare Mariota and Glennon together because Mariota is in a different class.

  72. MadMax Says:


    The way I see it, looking at the big picture beyond next year, Lovie will probably not be coaching us after another losing season. Even with Winston or Mariota (especially Mariota) we’ll still probably have a losing season maybe 3 or 4 wins. Everyone will say the rookie QB needs time, which is usually true. Meanwhile, our D still needs a lot of help in pass rush. With our current D, Williams could be the savior of our pass rush and our D could possibly be top 5 next year.

    You bring in a rookie QB now with this current L&L situation, he might be learning one system his first year and something completely different the next. Still may be a good QB, but you never know. And with Winston, hopefully he matures and doesnt make bad decisions after he’s drafted.

    Chances, chances chances on either QB. With Williams, there arent any chances….that pick is a 110% win! We need to do a lot of work on the O line and I just dont trust Lovie with that task, or putting a rookie QB behind it. But O line and another QB can be selected in the later rounds this draft. Im still ok with trading back and drafting Scherff, Peat may not even come out yet.

    Williams could be the only pick used for D, heck we might even be able to trick Tennessee into trading down one spot and take what they offer, you know they’re going QB. Could get an extra 2nd and 3rd rounder.

    But we’re probably going to be picking high again next year and Im thinking we can go QB 1st then….and we’ll have one heck of a defense where maybe its ok to go Offense the first 3 picks.

  73. StPeteBucsFan Says:

    OK Jameis lovers. Just stop with all the excuses. If it was just the rape allegation you’d have a point. If it was just the bb gun…crab legs…yelling f her in the psy in the Student Union you’d have a point!

    But he did the yelling of f her in the p AFTER all the allegations about rape. That doesn’t make him guilty of rape. It DOES make him a freaking cement head who is so entitled he realizes his actions have no consequences…at least not yet thanks to all the Tallahassee co dependents.

    Then there are the apologies for all the interceptions….bad young receivers who ran poor routes!!! Do you guys ever admit that Jameis does not walk on water. He has a freshman LT who is already tabbed as a sure fire #! NFL pick and his weak receivers? Cmon Man!!!

    The numbers back Winston up, as Greene has (somewhat quietly) put together one of the best careers in ACC history.

    Greene has led the Seminoles in receiving each of his four seasons. He enters the Rose Bowl against Oregon with 52 more receptions than anyone in FSU history. Only 21 receivers in NCAA history have more career receiving yards than Greene’s 3,771.

    He scored the go-ahead touchdown as a freshman against Notre Dame in a bowl win that helped reestablish FSU as a national power. His 49-yard catch and run in last season’s national title game sparked FSU’s winning drive against Auburn, and his 74-yard touchdown with six minutes left forced overtime against Clemson this year.

    “He’s always there,” Oregon defensive back Erick Dargan said during Monday’s Rose Bowl media day at the L.A. Hotel Downtown.

  74. JSmalls Says:

    Skyline, I just watched Brees and Rogers college highlights and they’re under center on most run plays homie. Yes, they did spead out on passing plays but their offenses seemed more traditional. That’s a huge difference than a read option. The thing that stood out most to me in regards to Mariota’s highlights is he’s playing against mostly dime defense, rarely seeing a strong 7 in the box. Hell, when they were really humming sometimes you see 5 in the box. In the NFL he’ll get a lot more action flashing in his face – That is huge in regards to accuracy. Oh, keep believing Jameis is only 15lbs heavier than Mariota… Just look at them.

  75. Skyline Crew for Mariota or Winston Says:

    Winston weighs 230 and Mariota weighs 215-220. I’m sorry that the colleges lied about their weights. Both are 6’4″.

    Mariota went against a 3-3-5 defense and shredded it. That is pretty damn good.

  76. Skyline Crew for Mariota or Winston Says:

    I just watched Brees and he ran a spread offense. Only thing he did under center was hand the ball off. I didn’t see him do a 3-5-7 step drop to pass. He passed from the shotgun all the time. At least the highlights I saw.

  77. Skyline Crew for Mariota or Winston Says:

    Also, it is well documented that Tiller brought the spread offense to Purdue.

  78. Skyline Crew for Mariota or Winston Says: – Brees

  79. bucrightoff Says:

    Skyline are you gonna hate Mariota forever when he chooses to return to Oregon?

  80. Skyline Crew for Mariota or Winston Says:

    I’ve seen pics of the two standing next to each other. Not much of a difference. Winston appears to be a bit bigger in the chest, but both appear to be the same in the legs and elsewhere.

  81. Skyline Crew for Mariota or Winston Says:

    Here is a pic of them together at Disneyland.

  82. Skyline Crew for Mariota or Winston Says:


    Why would he return? He received his degree in three years. Only reason he would stay is because he wants to take his team to a National Championship. It wouldn’t make much sense for him to stay.

    Winston could stay to finish his degree. Or to play baseball. That is more realistic than having a graduate stay for another year of football. I don’t think any college QB has ever done that.

  83. Skyline Crew for Mariota or Winston Says:

    Also, I would hate him forever. If he stays he stayed. I would think it was a dumb decision on his part. Then I would be all for drafting Winston if he came out and Mariota didn’t. You can’t have all the great things on your team, but when you get the opportunity you go for it. I’m sure Nole fans will be pissed though if Winston came back for another year and we draft Mariota. Because that means we would draft Winston next year. They would be so mad. It would be comical.

  84. Skyline Crew for Mariota or Winston Says:

    Stupid auto-correct. This site is laggy as hell. I wouldn’t hate him forever.

  85. bucrightoff Says:

    Why did Andrew Luck go back in 2011? Because he didn’t want to be on the Panthers. Mariota can go back for the same reason, because he looks at us and sees this mess and wants no part of it. Besides you know he’ll be well compensated for going back to Nike U.

  86. Skyline Crew for Mariota or Winston Says:

    “Stanford quarterback Andrew Luck, the odds-on favorite to be the No. 1 pick in this spring’s NFL draft, announced Thursday he will stay in school and play his redshirt junior season.

    “I am committed to earning my degree in architectural design from Stanford University and am on track to accomplish this at the completion of the spring quarter of 2012,” Luck said in a statement. ”

    Luck stayed to get his degree. Can’t fault him for that. If the Panthers played a part in that then fine. However, Mariota already has his degree. So he can’t use that as an excuse to return.

  87. Skyline Crew for Mariota or Winston Says:

    Andrew’s father, Oliver Luck, was an NFL teammate of Peyton’s dad, Archie Manning. And Oliver told KTAR that their longtime friendship gave Andrew access to Peyton, who told Andrew about his own experience of returning to Tennessee for his senior season in 1997, when he likely would have been the first pick in the draft if he had left school following his junior year.

    “Before he made his decision he had a couple of long conversations with Peyton,” Oliver Luck said. “Archie and I played together way back when with the old Houston Oilers, so we’ve known the family, and Peyton’s kind of acted like a mentor to Andrew. So he got advice not just from his old man and his mom, but
    some people like Peyton Manning, Eli and others who have gone through it.”

    Although Peyton Manning may have just become the NFL’s least popular player among Carolina Panthers fans, it makes sense that the Manning brothers would both advise Luck that things tend to turn out pretty well for highly regarded quarterbacks who decide not to enter the NFL draft early. Luck clearly made a well-informed decision when he chose to put the NFL millions on hold for another year.

    So what did Manning tell him? That he was going to get injured and not play for a season and get cut and then the Colts would tank and draft him? I doubt that. However, Manning did it when he was in school. Maybe they should tell Winston to do the same.

  88. Connor Says:

    Jon Gruden was doing good with Chris Simms until he ruptured his spleen!

  89. Connor Says:

    TPD also gave another FSU player a citation for a hit and run……A CITATION people.