Message For Knuckledraggers
November 3rd, 2014
Joe just wants to wing a beer bottle against the wall he gets so p!ssed off when he hears Bucs fans whine about the evils of having a good quarterback.
Joe swears too many Bucs fans would be be happy with no quarterback on the roster, just another running back to hand the ball to.
“Defense wins championships,” they coo as they hug their teddy bears tight, and plant their thumbs firmly in mouth while gazing dreamily at their Fathead poster of Father Dungy.
Bullspit! We live in 2014, folks.
Want to know how badly the Bucs need offense, and how having a rotten offense dooms a team? Consider the following information from the “Custodian of Canton,” eye-RAH! Kaufman of the Tampa Tribune.
Tampa Bay has lost the past 17 times it allowed its opponent to score first.
What. The. Eff!
You know what this tells Joe: The Bucs cannot climb out of a hole because they don’t have an offense. Haven’t had one since 2012, when the Bucs had a franchise quarterback (pre-mental).
So for you knuckledraggers who dismiss offense and think you can win on defense alone, how you liking your Bucs the past few years?
Lovie Smith says he is a stats guy. Hope he reads those stats.
November 3rd, 2014 at 2:08 pm
“Defense wins championships,” they coo as they hug their teddy bears tight, and plant their thumbs firmly in mouth while gazing dreamily at their Fathead poster of Father Dungy.”
HA HA HA…that’s harsh Joe!
November 3rd, 2014 at 2:10 pm
I like Glennon but I’m starting to agree with you Joe. Glennon is okay but we need phenomenal and that’s looking like Jameis Winston. Best QB (not choir boy) in the upcoming draft. I don’t believe Mariota will be as good of a QB in the NFL as Jameis. So many roster holes to patch on this team. It looks like we had a decent draft last season but with Michael Johnson, Anthony Collins, EDS, and others I’m questioning this staff’s talent evaluation. Yikes!
November 3rd, 2014 at 2:22 pm
Freeman was never a true franchise guy, he simply had potential. And now the only franchise he’ll be involved with going forward is working at his local, franchise owned McDonalds.
Just remember for as bad as things are, we could have Freeman locked up for 4-6 more years. Yeah, it can always be worse.
November 3rd, 2014 at 2:24 pm
the way the rules in the NFL are structured, there is no way to put a great Defense on the field. the Seahawks had a good not great D last year and the NFL changed the rules. Now the raiders are putting up 24 on them. Building great teams with Defense is over. look at all the other scoreboards. 30 and 40 points everywhere. No Quarterback=Losing Franchise. the only franchise that doesn’t seem to realize this are the Buc’s. it is no wonder the bucs are 32nd in Offense.
November 3rd, 2014 at 2:25 pm
I’m not a big fan of Dungy who was fairly clueless as far as offensive success. Lovie could be called Dungy II. I agree it’s time to put offense first in the Bucs plans, Lovie allowed an all offense draft because he thought the defense was set, and most fans fell for that logic. There is no excuse for losing all these games in such an ugly manner. Spread the blame far and wide, they all deserve it. A quality QB must be high on the list of needs. When is the last time you have heard the Bucs having a starting quality QB mentioned by anyone, ever?
November 3rd, 2014 at 2:26 pm
im over the this market pining for father dungey and his dated way….dungey ball is dead!
November 3rd, 2014 at 2:27 pm
I am in agreement to draft a QB in 15….
but here’s the problem we have
25% Mariota
25% Winston
25% Someone Else
25% Stick with Glennon….we have more pressing needs….IE Oline, Dline, LB, S, CB etc…..
Joe….this calls for a poll….if you are willing to devote all space to Winston everyday….the least you can do is poll our thoughts…..
November 3rd, 2014 at 2:27 pm
What Defense Joe? We don’t have one.
Seahawks won the Superbowl on their Defense.
November 3rd, 2014 at 2:29 pm
They didn’t get there on defense. Also, they have a quarterback.
Funny, Father Dungy couldn’t win here without a quarterback. Once he had a Hall of Fame quarterback, he finally won one.
Hhhmmm…
November 3rd, 2014 at 2:29 pm
TBBF,
I would say that 25% someone else is Prescott. Some have called for Randy as well.
November 3rd, 2014 at 2:30 pm
Pass rush is the only thing important anymore on the defensive side of the ball in my opinion. So many flags fly from the secondary these days. So it’s important to just build up the line. Build a monster line, a few quality LB’s and just get so so cover guys, because they’ll just get flagged anyways.
You need a QB that can react quickly and on his feet to elude pressure always looking to throw the ball first before running. You don’t really need a fast QB, but you need one with agility to move around in the pocket and escape if he needs too. Mike’s NOT very agile is he?
Tanketh for Jameth!
November 3rd, 2014 at 2:30 pm
Didn’t you recently proclaim yourself to be a General or something in your own ridiculous MGM? C’mom man..credibility. Everyone wants a “franchise QB”…just because you pick a QB in the first round doesn’t make him a franchise QB. You went ON and ON about your lovefest for Manziel last year….who is it this year, Marriota or Winston….are they surefire “franchise QB’s”?
November 3rd, 2014 at 2:31 pm
Every team has a QB. I’ll say that Wilson was good last year, but Denver had Manning. Their defense sucked and they got blown out of the water Joe. What does that tell ya? You need Defense and you need Offense both. Not one or the other. Sure if you have a high powered offense it will mask that your defense sucks. However, we haven’t had a great defense in a long time.
November 3rd, 2014 at 2:33 pm
buccanAy …..as far as Joe’s concerned from what I can tell he doesn’t much care for Mariota. I’m sure he’ll reply back in his own words for you though. Damn I’m on this site too much if I’m answering for Joe.
November 3rd, 2014 at 2:35 pm
87′ Joe only likes QBs that cause people to come to the site. I’m guessing, I don’t know, because the only people who wanted Manziel were delusional.
November 3rd, 2014 at 2:38 pm
This is the year we need to move all our chips in and draft a dang QB. Glennon is exactly who everyone thought he was. Just a slightly more talented version of McCown. We need a play maker and someone who can put the team on their back and ride into victory. Whether it be Winston OR Mariota It doesn’t matter both are perfectly capable of become franchise QB’s in the NFL. We need to jump on this. And i sure as heck don’t want to pass on a Talent like Winstons just for childish antics. It’s a phase he’ll grow out of. You don’t just over look that talent when your business is football and he is king of the game right now! Mariota is great too i just think his ceiling is lower and he has a slightly less overall talent, but he is nice at least.
For the record I could care less about Winston’s “reputation” If the man can come here and start winning consistently he can parachute into the stadium totally nude and I will still cheer for him. I just simply want to see this teaam start winning again point blank.
November 3rd, 2014 at 2:40 pm
Glennon is exactly who we thought he was. A slightly more talented version of a career back up. The receivers are making him look much better than he really is. All he does is throw throw and prays. Jump ball to 83 jump ball to 13 rinse and repeat.
November 3rd, 2014 at 2:40 pm
Winston, Mariota, Prescott = hope
November 3rd, 2014 at 2:41 pm
No the bucs don’t have a quarterback…..MGM you gotta be kidding, no one still has a clue how you looked at that guy and said now theres the man that will lead our franchise for the next 10 years. actually I do know how, you tell yourself oh he’s the guy as long as we have a offensive line or a running game. but actually if you have the guy under center everyone else is better when the guy touching the ball the most can actually do something with it. worst offense in the league AGAIN, thanks glennon
November 3rd, 2014 at 2:42 pm
I am all for drafting a QB, but that is not that easy. Jameis a sure thing? Johnny Football a sure thing? Alkili Smith, Ryan Leaf or any other 1st rounder? Do you really think L&L know how to draft a QB?
I hope we draft a QB in 2015, but I don’t think any will guarantee us wins, unless the Oline shows a big improvement.
I seem to think RG3 was a popular choice back in the day….
November 3rd, 2014 at 2:42 pm
Joe knows Mariota is the choice for Lovie, that’s why he isn’t writing about him. Why write about the sure thing? It’s boring and no one would click. But crab legs? Yeah that’ll rate. Just like he knew the Bucs would never take Manziel last year, he knows they’ll never take Winston. He knows Lovie…we all do.
November 3rd, 2014 at 2:45 pm
Defense wins championships!!!!
::hugging my teddy bear tight, and planting my thumbs firmly in my mouth while gazing dreamily at my Fathead poster of Father Dungy::
November 3rd, 2014 at 2:48 pm
bucrightoff Says:
November 3rd, 2014 at 2:22 pm
Freeman was never a true franchise guy, he simply had potential. And now the only franchise he’ll be involved with going forward is working at his local, franchise owned McDonalds.
Just remember for as bad as things are, we could have Freeman locked up for 4-6 more years. Yeah, it can always be worse.
STOP GIVING MIKE GLENNON CREDIT. NOT ONLY DID WE HAVE JOSH FREEMAN BUT WE HAD I NOBODY COACH NAMED RAHEEM MORRIS AND ALSO AT ONE POINT A QUARTERBACKS COACH TURNED OFFENSIVE COORIDINATOR
JOSH FREEMAN HAS STILL WON MORE GAMES IN ALMOST HIS ROOKIE SEASON WHEN TWO OTHER QUARTERBACKS CAME IN BEFORE HIM…….THE PHRASE YOU SHOULD BE USING IS “THATS HOW BAD GLENNON IS” HE DOESNT GET A PASS ANYMORE, I DONT CARE IF HE HAS A CANNON HE IS A LOSING QUARTERBACK
November 3rd, 2014 at 2:51 pm
First Round Quarterbacks Last 6 years:
Stafford, Sanchez, Freeman, Bradford, Tebow, Newton, Locker, Gabbert, Luck, Griffin, Tannehill, Weeden, Manuel, Bortles, Manziel, Bridgewater
Out of 16….only 7 are starting….Luck & Newton (perhaps elite) (Stafford & Tannehill (serviceable) Bortles & Bridgewater (too soon to determine)
Drafting a QB in the first round is no guarantee toward a franchise QB!!!
Everybody thought Kaepernick was a francise QB……not this year….
November 3rd, 2014 at 2:54 pm
Oh c’mon Joe! It is 2014! Not even Lovie believes that. He said Defense, Special Teams and Running game is his formula.
Joe you are slacking off.
November 3rd, 2014 at 2:55 pm
I wonder if Bucs4lyfe was a Freemanite. By the way just for fun, where’s that NFLPA investigation? You know, the one that says Freeman directed his agent to leak all that crap to force his release.
November 3rd, 2014 at 2:55 pm
I feel like winging a beer bottle at Glennon.
November 3rd, 2014 at 2:58 pm
Defense wins?
Rookie Aaron Donald 21 tackles 3 sacks
All Pro All World $100m Ice Cream Man 21 tackles 5 sacks
Just wanted to throw that out there
November 3rd, 2014 at 3:11 pm
Now Joe wants to scream for an offense just weeks after slamming McCown and joining the Mob? Get over yourself Joe
November 3rd, 2014 at 3:14 pm
Officially off the MGM bandwagon. Guy lost the game for us yesterday, we need a REAL QB 🙁
#suckforMariota
November 3rd, 2014 at 3:19 pm
I agree, we need a poll on this Joe.
November 3rd, 2014 at 3:48 pm
This sounds good except we dont even have a defense right now. All 3 facets of the team are garbage. Offense, defense and special teams. Anybody can convert on us during 3rd and long. Repeatedly. Horrible, just awful. Offense isn’t to much better.
November 3rd, 2014 at 3:59 pm
bucs4lyfe. Quit yelling. Nimrod.
November 3rd, 2014 at 4:02 pm
I’ve converted. I still love me some Glennon, but we need a better QB than what we have.
November 3rd, 2014 at 4:07 pm
I also say, who cares if we miss on a first round QB. We’ve missed on almost every 1st round in the last ten years. Why not try missing on a QB again.
So we could miss on a QB again, or we could miss on a DE again, or a DB again, or a RB again.
Or we could get lucky and hit the f*cking JACKPOT!!
November 3rd, 2014 at 4:11 pm
Chef,
I think it really comes down to the fans being tired of losing so much that we are tired of missing in the draft. Now let’s take Denver or New England. They have franchise QBs where they can draft a QB every other year and see how they pan out with out ever having to actually play them. We don’t have to that luxury. We are just used to losing and we don’t like losing in the draft. However, I think we won in the draft this last time.
November 3rd, 2014 at 4:19 pm
I’m starting to wonder if Buc fans actually understand the sport of football, you know the TEAM game!
Might the outcome have been different if Glennon doesn’t turn the ball over? Sure. How about if VJ catches a ball? How about if Verner doesn’t get toasted by a rookie? How about Michael Johnson showing up? Ever. How about a play call on 2nd and 1 other than a pass?
I am not discounting the importance of having a good QB. All I’m saying is that you can’t put this or any other loss this season on just one guy, the QB.
November 3rd, 2014 at 4:30 pm
Team game, yes! …and the idea of signing a bunch of talented free agents and putting them together and mesh immediately has been proven wrong over and over again….this team must never waiver from lost draft choices again, and discover draft success…build through the draft still rules!
November 3rd, 2014 at 5:16 pm
@Joe
I think you start with a faulty premise. Nobody, at least the vast majority I read here is saying we don’t need a great QB, or at least a good one ala Matty Ice, and Newton, Flacco, Hoyer, Alex Smith, Philip Rivers. There are plenty of QB’s in this league good enough to win the SB with the right team around them and a great D. See Russell Wilson.
The Bucs simply happen to have had a run, as you’ve pointed out, of miserable failures at QB. When we didn’t, Doug Williams and Steve Young we gave up on them.
Nobody is saying we don’t need a QB. A few have said we have more pressing needs first. This board has far more Jameis lovers than MGMers.
My vote goes to Prescott. Somebody made a great point. Jameis needs to get far away from Florida and his peeps. He needs a fresh start. He’s already a lightning rod and yes he’d sell tickets but he’s controversial before the first snap. A first half like he had against Louisville and fans would scream out loud fairly or not. This is not an indictment of Jameis talent, just his cement head.
November 3rd, 2014 at 5:23 pm
BTW Joe if you and the fans are serious about getting a great QB then here’s an wild suggestion. QB drafting is always a crapshoot. Pull a Redskins and select two next year. One in the first round and one in the 3rd or later rounds. At least increase the law of averages.
There are free agent QB’s who have panned out nicely as well. Alex Smith. Hoyer sat behind Brady and then Big Ben for his first five years. He’s turned out pretty well. Is Kirk Cousins a total bust? Just askin? There may be some good young QB’s stuck behind a better starter. Er can you say Johnny Flash. No the Browns are not giving him up. Hoyer has been injured before.
November 3rd, 2014 at 5:34 pm
You know what this tells Joe: The Bucs cannot climb out of a hole because they don’t have an offense. Haven’t had one since 2012, when the Bucs had a franchise quarterback (pre-mental).
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I really like this statement… the Bucs HAD a franchise QB… pre-mental. Puts a nicer shine on that turd. We got 2 excellent seasons from Freeman, way better than anything Sanchez ever did and not much worse than Matt Stafford…but then came the career ending injury…the Greg Cook syndrome but instead of the injury happening to his arm like Cook, or Timm Rosenbach, or Chad Pennington, it happened to his head…kind of like Jim Everett. Say what you want about Jim Everrett, but for a very short while he was considered a burgeoning franchise QB…and even better, he kicked Jim Rome’s ass on national TV.
November 3rd, 2014 at 5:37 pm
StPeteBucsFan Says:
November 3rd, 2014 at 5:23 pm
BTW Joe if you and the fans are serious about getting a great QB then here’s an wild suggestion. QB drafting is always a crapshoot. Pull a Redskins and select two next year. One in the first round and one in the 3rd or later rounds. At least increase the law of averages.
There are free agent QB’s who have panned out nicely as well. Alex Smith. Hoyer sat behind Brady and then Big Ben for his first five years. He’s turned out pretty well. Is Kirk Cousins a total bust? Just askin? There may be some good young QB’s stuck behind a better starter. Er can you say Johnny Flash. No the Browns are not giving him up. Hoyer has been injured before.
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That’s a great idea, the Redskins also did it in the 90’s when they selected Heath Shuler and got Gus Frerrotte in round 7… come to think of it…when in NFL history has this worked? Cousins and Griffin are clearly not close to being franchise QBs at this point and Frerrotte and Shuler were terrible…perhaps it’s BECAUSE there was another rookie QB on the roster instead of a steadying intelligent veteran.
November 3rd, 2014 at 6:23 pm
Here’s a crazy suggestion, look north. Steal the best qb in the CFL. I remember the bills did that once with a little midget that everyone said would never make it in the NFL. I still have his Wheaties box. Douglas Flutie.
November 3rd, 2014 at 7:11 pm
I AGREE WITH YOU JOE!!!!
For once I would like to see a huge empasis on the offense, even a proven talent like a Mike Martz brought in to replace Tedford. Yeah we spent a first round on Evans last year and that trend needs to continue if we are ever going to turn things around. V-Drops will be 32 next year and the position will need to be upgraded at some point. The O-line needs the most help, followed by the “D”. But lets start with a QB, and build around that.