Stop The 1996 Talk Immediately

October 12th, 2014

HermLovieJoe’s going to blow a freaking gasket if he hears one more reference to this Bucs team under Lovie Smith being like the Buccaneers of 1996 under Father Dungy.

It’s an insult at this point, in addition to being a stupid take.

Get out of fantasy land, and jump into reality.

Dungy was a rookie head coach with a bunch of young coaches and a roster without a load of established talent, including a garbage 24-year-old quarterback. But that team only allowed 23 points a game through their first six games en route to a 1-5 record, before breaking out to win five out of their last 10 and finish with the No. 8-ranked defense.

Your current Bucs have a veteran head coach, along with veteran defensive coaches and established defensive stars, but they’re getting worse in a win-now league that doesn’t believe in three-year plans and doesn’t forgive heartless play.

Lovie and general manager Jason Licht talked this offseason about how it wasn’t fair to expect patience from fans. Joe agreed. However, some patience is reasonable. But there is no reason to be patient with what was witnessed today, and for a defense that clearly doesn’t know what it’s doing.

Last week, Bucs icon Derrick Brooks, in addition to Dashon Goldson, insisted the Bucs’ defense is so “close” to understanding the nuances of their new scheme and close to being successful.

Again, this isn’t ’96. The Bucs’ defense is far off the mark, and Joe’s not going to duped into believing otherwise until there’s real change on the field.

36 Responses to “Stop The 1996 Talk Immediately”

  1. RastaMon Says:

    Lovie is in WAY over his head….I listened to his press conference yesterday and was underwhemled by his monotoned empty words…then by chance I listened to a long interview with #55 on all sorts of subject…a stark contrast in leadership and answering questions. Lovie is an empty suit that has been swept to this point in life by his association with the greatness of others. I don’t mean to be harsh…but that is what I see……

  2. lurker Says:

    is tackling and covering a nuance? is rushing the qb a nuance?

  3. Lynch Says:

    Anyone hear McCoy’s name today?

  4. Bucs Fan #237 Says:

    “a defense that clearly doesn’t know what it’s doing.

    Last week, Bucs icon Derrick Brooks, in addition to Dashon Goldson, insisted the Bucs’ defense is so “close” to understanding the nuances of their new scheme and close to being successful.”

    Wow. That sure is a disheartening thought.

  5. Oahubuc Says:


    You nailed it. No comparison to the Dungy era is warranted at this time. More suitable comparisons are mid-term Perkins and the Richard Williamson rebuild. Only the nadirs of Buccaneer futility are valid comparisons. This team has returned to humiliating rock bottom, and incompetent owners are to blame. Compare this team to Culverhouse teams (with the exception of ’79-’82) and you’re on to something.

  6. Buccfan37 Says:

    Lovie must be wearing a breathing tank, because the water is leagues above his head.

  7. Bucs Fan #237 Says:

    “Lovie is an empty suit that has been swept to this point in life by his association with the greatness of others. ”

    I agree. Think the entire hall of fame defense of Tampa + Dungy… THEN, think Urlacher and the rest of the Bears defense.

  8. bucrightoff Says:

    The defense has been figured out and neutralized by the rule changes. Time for something new Lovie.

  9. Ray Rice Says:

    Dam this is worse than the Raheem “the dream” era. This is some bull$hit. This team shows no life. Unprepared. Stagnant. Vanilla. No emotion. No heart. Gerald is non-existent again. I understand that DB’s have to cover but at some point in the game he has to get it all on his own. The great ones do. It’s a shame they couldn’t even sack immobile Flacco. Zuttah showed L&L they fukd up by getting rid of him.

  10. meh Says:

    This team looks like garbage. Smells like it too.

  11. Phred Says:

    In 1996, despite the losses you could see the team improving every week. That’s not the case here.

  12. Mr. Patrick Says:

    1996? More like 1976

  13. lightningbuc Says:

    THANK YOU JOE! I hope BuccaneerBonzai and JBuc see this.

  14. Buc Fan #237 Says:

    Now all they need to do is bring Dungy back, add Josh Freeman as the starting QB… to once and for all close out all arguments in the bay area.

    Once that rock bottom has been hit, then and only then could Tampa break the Curse of Jon Gruden.

  15. CB Buc Says:

    He’s gotta go. Honor his contract but cut him loose.

    Fan support = money
    Apathy is setting in and the fans won’t buy into this team over a Lovie Smith offseason.

    The Glazers will MAKE more money if they fire him. Sadly, it’s easy to sell us fans hope.

  16. andres Says:

    @Phred absolutely. You could see it back then. After the San Diego game we all were like, ok we got something here. They had this guy named Hardy Nickerson that played like his hair was on fire and it seemed the team was feeding off it. He’s still worshipped by those players. That was a leader right there. All GMC does is stare into the camera and look befuddled. Nickerson would try to fight kickers he’d get some mad. Lovie needs a leader on that D and no one NO ONE is stepping up.

  17. Lynch Says:

    Andres you’re exactly right about McCoy. I say this every week about this dude. Where’s the fire? Aren’t you pissed they running / passing against you? Damn!

  18. lurker Says:

    “He’s gotta go. Honor his contract but cut him loose. ”

    can’t we hire a cheaper head coach…offensive coordinator or college headcoach and move lovie to defensive coordinator? since he is getting paid, can’t the team reassign him?

  19. andres Says:

    @Lynch right! didn’t he say it’s his team? He sure don’t act like it.

  20. covertwo22 Says:

    the defense this team runs will never work in todays pass happy league

  21. buc4lyfe Says:

    Uuuuh whatever Joe I’m not saying it was you but it was completely media driven just like the talk of mccown looking good enough to be the starter during practice at ota’s

  22. McBuc Says:

    Rasta. Is that permatly on your clipboard or something. How many times are you going to post the exact same post. Thanks for wasting my time. Lol

  23. BFFL Says:

    Well it appears Frazier is a fraud. Time for Lovie to get rid of this guy and take over the defense.

  24. Espo Says:

    I would love to see the 96 Bucs put some pads on and scrimmage against these fools. Those old guys would embarrass them.

  25. Incognito Says:

    I agree 100%. Comparing this debacle to the 96 team makes about as much sense as crying for an equally inept coach like Shiano to come back. It’s comparing apples to oranges.

  26. Nick Says:

    The difference is
    The Bucs have NO talent on this team. And lots of talent in 96.

  27. BucBob1 Says:

    The 96 team played better, even when it was loosing.

  28. Lovie's Basement Says:

    The no talent argument is weak. I believe there are coaches who could win with this roster. We have beasts all over the field, but they are unprepared.

  29. Curse of Gruden Says:


  30. Bucanole Says:

    Lovie wants to employ another dinosaur defense, putting in the 1985 Bears 4-6 defense for next week….

  31. lurker Says:

    “for next week…”

    great idea! i bet you they don’t lose!

    …..they don’t win, either, though and the fans get a reprieve. 😉

  32. JonBuc Says:

    I always thought This ’96 comparison was idiotic. There ‘s no correlation whatsoever. This franchise is lost right now…

  33. frog Says:

    RIP BUCS 2014-2015!

  34. bo Says:


  35. bo Says:

    Just google the 1996 Bucs!

    Your facts are all wrong! First 5 games – opponents scored more than 23 points 3 times!!! First game 34 -3 Packers, third game 27-23 Denver, fifth game 27 – to DETROIT??? What are you looking at Joe?

    Sorry, but Joe’s “facts” in this post are accurate. 100 percent. You can look it up. –Joe

    No talent on that roster? Are you kidding me? Warren Sapp , Mr. Derrick Brooks, Alstott, Donnie Abraham, Hardy Nickerson! It was a terrible start like this year! HAVE SOME FAITH!!!

    As for the talent, Brooks and Sapp will tell you personally that McCoy and David are better than the ’96 versions of them. Is Verner better than the ’96 version of Donnie Abraham? Again, the talent level is an opinion. These Bucs are not lacking in talent. Even those Bucs icons will tell you this team is more talented than in 1996. Brooks said it himself last week.-Joe

    BTW – lost later that year to the Panthers 24 – 0! That was just their second year in the league. Were you even a BUCS fan back then???

  36. BO Says:

    ” But that team only allowed 23 points a game through their first six games en route to a 1-5 record, before breaking out to win five out of their last 10 and finish with the No. 8-ranked defense.”

    Regular season
    Week 1 September 1, 1996 Green Bay Packers L 3–34
    Week 2 September 8, 1996 at Detroit Lions L 6–21
    Week 3 September 15, 1996 at Denver Broncos L 23–27
    Week 4 September 22, 1996 Seattle Seahawks L 13–17
    Week 5 September 29, 1996 Detroit Lions L 0–27
    Week 6 Bye

    OK Joe, Bucs allowed 34 to the Pack, 27 to the Broncos and 27 to the lowly Lions! What am I missing?

    On to your other point – Lacking in talent no – but they were pretty talented back then – how many probowlers and hall of fame guys were on that team in 1996 – yet it took them time to produce as well is my point with you.

    You want to give up hope now? Surely the decades that we all went through of being the laughing stocks of the league, should have weathered your emotions better than that! We are on the right path. It will get better. Go back and read the press clippings from then. Also many of our coaches then are back now. They WILL FIX THIS!!! No need to abandon ship so soon Joe!!!