Revisiting Waving Goodbye To Revis
October 21st, 2014
These are not days of laughter for former Bucs CB Darrelle Revis.
Former Bucs coach Raheem Morris did few things right. Making in-game adjustments to his horrid gameplans was one. His quote about when to get rid of players is another.
Morris famously said, in so many words to the immortal Stylez White, I will tolerate you until I can replace you.
In other words, your job is safe until someone better is signed/drafted.
Joe thought of Morris’ “replace-you” statement when Joe read the following throwaway line from Big-Ten-Network-hating, pedestrian-bumping, olive oil-lapping, popcorn-munching, coffee-slurping, fried-chicken-eating, oatmeal-loving, circle-jerking, beer-chugging, cricket-watching, scone-loathing, college football-naïve, baseball box score-reading, NPR-listening, filthy-hotel-staying, fight-instigating, barista-training Peter King, of Sports Illustrated and NBC Sports fame yesterday. King included the All-World cornerback and former Bucs stud Darrelle Revis in his “Ten Thinks I Didn’t Like” piece.
Darrelle Revis, who sure didn’t look like a shutdown corner Thursday night.
Look, Joe was one of the loudest critics of the move to release Revis. (Remember Morris’ quote.) Even an 80 percent Revis was better than most corners.
It seems, however, Revis has regressed. Joe spoke with a trusted source within the walls of One Buc Palace just before training camp. He told Joe the movers and shakers upstairs were spooked a bit by Revis’ knee surgery prior to the 2013 season, and they were convinced Revis would never approach his pre-surgery status. Thus, the shot-callers with the Bucs couldn’t justify his then-$16 million a year salary.
This season with the Patriots, Revis isn’t even playing to the level of what he was with former Bucs commander Greg Schiano.
Yes, the Bucs (thus far) have made some bad swings-and-misses in personnel decisions. It appears seven weeks into the season that the Revis hand-washing, instead of a strikeout, was a solid double into the left field power alley.
October 21st, 2014 at 9:02 am
Even a fully healthy Revis on this defense would be bad
October 21st, 2014 at 9:06 am
Verner has not been better, and Michael Johnson a massive failure. Consider that’s what we got for Revis, to say we hit a “solid double” explains why this franchise is such a mess. At best we came out even.
October 21st, 2014 at 9:13 am
He was the leagues top ranked CB, the year he played here.
The year AFTER the injury.
Sooo, he regressed?-or Peter King doesn’t know what he’s looking at?
Sorry Peter.
Secondary in NE seems to be humming along- without Taliban
Is Revis better than Banks/Johnson/cousins/Myers.
Yup.
October 21st, 2014 at 9:14 am
Joe – Loyal reader and love the site but the Peter King leads ins are about as tired as we Bucs fans are of losing.
October 21st, 2014 at 9:15 am
I could be wrong Joe but I think that sounds like a talent evaluation win by the Lovie-Licht regime. Couldn’t be the case though because they don’t know how to evaluate talent. And we all know that an administration either has to be great or terrible. No team gets some hits and some misses. You’re either outstanding or woefully under-qualified.
October 21st, 2014 at 9:16 am
Should have never traded for him in the first place. Seldom does trading a first round draft pick work out, especially when it involves the Scmuckaneers.
October 21st, 2014 at 9:24 am
That Revis to the Bucs for a fairly high 1st round pick + 4th round pick + 16 million had to be one of the Bucs biggest blunders of all time. Of course until the next one.
October 21st, 2014 at 9:24 am
Where were these movers and shakers from 1Buc when they let our former GM go all captain Ahab during the ’13 FA period when the fixated it’s plans on TRADING for Revis? Our secondary was never 1 player away, even now we’re like 2-3 starting quality DBs from fielding a consistently productive secondary. I don’t miss Revis one bit, nor do I think if he were here that our situation would be drastically improved. Nother swing and a miss for what was the sorriest GM in the league.
October 21st, 2014 at 9:25 am
It has nothing to do with the knee. Revis is a great athlete, but unlike Sherman he is not capable of tackling WRs after the snap and getting away with it with the help of refs. He did a great job of shadowing his man and still does to this day. What has changed is the lack of pass rush on defenses he has been vs the Jets’ D that terrorized QBs in various ways during those 3 years. How often did we see clean precise passes to WRs when QBs threw towards Revis’ side as a Jet?
Put Sherman on Bucs and he wont get away with those tackles at LoS. With our pass rush he will only look like an above average CB, the way Revis did for us last year.
October 21st, 2014 at 9:26 am
Imagine the howling if they’d kept him and he were the one being torched? Too bad the guys they got with his salary are matching him step for step.
October 21st, 2014 at 9:27 am
Shouldn’t have given up the 13 th pick for him but he is better than verner and I don’t even care that he’s a shell of his former self.
October 21st, 2014 at 9:28 am
I will go by what was said by a credible source:
Ian Rapoport of NFL Media reported over the weekend that the Bucs are getting “a ton” of calls about trading Jackson and that the team is “open to anything” although they are fond of Jackson as a player.
“open to anything”….sounds like v.jackson will be gone.
lovie can say what he wants. he publicly supported revis. then lovie dumped him. I know… lovie will get a wideout cut from another teams practice squad to replace Vincent Jackson.
October 21st, 2014 at 9:30 am
I honestly forget regularly that Revis was even on the Bucs. Zero impact on anything aside from us losing draft picks. Leonard Johnson has had an exponentially bigger impact on the Bucs than Revis ever did.
October 21st, 2014 at 9:36 am
I would seriously consider trading Vincent Jackson. Wait a minute, before you go all Percy Harvin on me. If we could get a young, TALENTED DE in exchange, or a 2nd round pick next year….that would be great. But the tipping point is we save 5 mil this year that can be carried over to next and we knock 12 mil off next year’s cap. Is he worth 12 million? No way. Love the guy, but that can go a long way toward resigning our 2 defensive studs long term, or using the $ to actually build an effective OL or DL. Just a thought……
October 21st, 2014 at 9:37 am
Lovie says ” we all have to live with the scar for the rest of our lives”. When he is old and retired, Revis will have his grandson on his knee and will be asked ” Grandaddy what did you do in your great Hall Of Fame NFL career?” Revis will have to tell him ” well, I shoveled sh*t in Tampa Bay”.
October 21st, 2014 at 9:57 am
I said it numerous times before and after the trade, Revis will never be the same shutdown CB he once was. At his age, suffering an ACL injury pretty much puts an end to an elite CB being elite. It was a terrible trade to begin with, trading a 1st and 3rd for a damaged CB and then paying him way above market value (even if he were healthy it would’ve been above market value) for his services despite there being no other teams to compete for his services.
The Revis trade was perhaps one of the worst in NFL history. Trading a 1st and 3rd round pick for a faded/injured player and then breaking the bank to sign him longterm is just insane… and in hindsight…incredibly insane.
October 21st, 2014 at 10:04 am
Did King think he was a shutdown corner when he completely shut down AJ Green? Does he actually watch the games? Decker made a couple catches on Revis in the first half, but nothing special.
October 21st, 2014 at 10:11 am
Poor drafting, the coaching and scheme carousel and a heavy dose of bad luck makes for a very slippery slope.
We’ve found the bottom.
October 21st, 2014 at 10:15 am
I’m still having a hard time getting over the fact that a guy who gets paid to analyze football is claiming that Revis hasn’t been good in New England.
October 21st, 2014 at 10:19 am
“At best we came out even.”
Bucrightoff I certainly take your points, you make valid observations. But I disagree with the last part. 16 million is well ahead of even. Even before Revis’ surgery there were plenty of football minds who didn’t feel he was worth 16 million. Not because of any lack of talent but because 16 million is simply too much to spend on a CB. The best a CB can do is take a team’s top receiver out of the game. One weapon removed from the offense.
OTOH a great DT or DE can get to the Q.B. and getting the QB on the ground eliminates ALL the weapons…receivers…running backs flaring out…get the QB on the ground and the offense is finished!!!
As much as I fear GMAC’s durability and impact I do not fear paying a DT the big bucks if he can do the job.
I LOVE Richard Sherman but I wouldn’t give him or any DB 16 million!!!!
October 21st, 2014 at 10:52 am
But StPete the thing is we didn’t save $16 million, we re-allocated that money towards Verner and Michael Johnson. Verner has been ok but nothing great (certainly no help at this point) and Johnson has been a total waste of money. So we didn’t really save anything at all. C
And remember Revis contract had no guaranteed money so cutting him was easy. Cutting Michael Johnson will result in significant dead cap space so he’s here until his guaranteed money is paid out no matter how badly he plays.
October 21st, 2014 at 11:22 am
Too much cleaning house has led to this failed season.
October 21st, 2014 at 12:04 pm
Revis sucks. Been saying this since last year. Banks and david had more ints. When Eric decker is breaking your ankles, you suck!
October 21st, 2014 at 12:16 pm
Worst personal move ever made by the Bucs. How do you cut one of the best players in the league and think you’re going to get better.
October 21st, 2014 at 12:43 pm
@DB55,
So he sucks? So I guess shutting out AJ Green isn’t that good? And Decker had 65 yards receiving. I wouldn’t call that breaking his ankles. You know what Verner calls 65 yards receiving? An average first quarter.
October 21st, 2014 at 1:58 pm
Not worth 16mm, especially after surgery. This was and will always be Dominik’s fault. Too much money and picks.
October 21st, 2014 at 2:28 pm
@Bucrightoff
I take your points, they are valid. But Johnson is a bust. If he gets hot and gets to double digits sacks then we might all be eating our words. But the fact that the Bucs WASTED a lot of that 16 million doesn’t mean we shouldn’t have tried to spend it wisely.
I certainly can’t argue your point if you’re saying who cares the Bucs don’t know what to do with 16 million anyway. : – ) That’s been pretty evident so far.
October 21st, 2014 at 3:30 pm
Lets take a look back at the comment section, when the whole…
“Trade for Revis” madness began.
Revis Shopping Heats Up
(February 27th, 2013)
https://www.joebucsfan.com/?p=84061
October 21st, 2014 at 3:38 pm
You and I had the exact same ideas. Whomever SteveK is/was and Teacherman absolutely lost any and all credibility. Both of them pretty much called you out as an imbecile though I’m pretty sure now we know who the real imbeciles were, not hopeful fans with their heads in the clouds like SteveK and Teacherman, but Schiano and Dominik.
This is what I said: Brandon Says:
February 27th, 2013 at 9:15 pm
Joe,
I agree with a lot of what you have to say, but giving up a 1st round pick is far more than what Revis is worth. He is worth his contract, end of discussion. We’re not talking about a bargain player here. A first round pick is far too much to give up for a player that is just going to ask for fair market value once he gets here. Why don’t people understand this? A player with or about to get a big contact has ZERO trade value. He is worth what his contract pays him, nothing more, nothing less. If the Bucs want to give up another player with a bloated salary, then that would be fair trade value. Not a high round draft pick!!!
and LUVMYBUCS said:
LUVMYBUCS Says:
February 27th, 2013 at 9:29 am
YOU DO NOT –AND– I REPEAT DO NOT GIVE UP– A 1ST ROUND PROSPECT+QB MONEY TO FOR A CB –THAT HAS NOT SHOWN ANYONE THAT HE’S FULLY RECOVERED CATASTROPHIC INJURY.
October 21st, 2014 at 3:44 pm
@Brandon
Amen Brotha
October 21st, 2014 at 3:53 pm
LUVMYBUCS Says:
October 1st, 2013 at 4:37 pm
Not a Propagandists, simply trying to give an impartial examination to the facts of the matter.
Things haven’t been the same since Malcolm Glazer’s stroke in 2006.
Bruce Allen (After Rich Mckay’s salary cap purgator) left the organization with $44mil+++ to spend in 2009.
5yrs later and we have QUALITY DEBT not QUALITY DEPTH
October 21st, 2014 at 4:41 pm
I posted before the Baltimore game how in two games revis shut down Steve smith and said lets see how Bucs do in one game against smith and he touched all our corners. He shut down Sammy Watkins this year too. Revis may not be elite but still one of the very best
October 21st, 2014 at 5:53 pm
Joe
You probably will not read this since it is so far down and late, but does it seem to you that a lot/some of the players that get long term high value contract slow down so they can collect the money for the period of the contract? It just seems like it to me or maybe they get old early?
October 21st, 2014 at 7:45 pm
You know how you know you’re good – when a guy has 4 catches on you and people proclaim you are done. I long for the day one of our CB’s can hold an opposing WR to 4 catches in a game. Hell, I may settle for 4 times in a half.