“This is their first year in a structured system. I know some of our fans, reading the comments, I hope they don’t expect these guy to pick up where we left off in this defense,” Brooks said on WDAE-AM 620. “We went through some growing pains to get to that success. These young men are going to go through some growing paints to understand that. The system they’ve played in thus far has not been as structured as this system requires you to be. So they’ve got to go through those playing growing pains, and the quicker they get past that, I think they’ll be alright. Obviously, the talent level, what they bring is tremendous.”
When the refs don’t call an even game we end up playing against them and the Saints. The refs kept the Saints alive with 1st downs. Our defense ran out of gas…
If I had told everyone before week one, like say in July, that at the Week 5 point of the season, the Bucs offense would not be a major concern or anything close to a concern, a good chunk (80% at least) would have the Bucs at 4-1 right now. That’s the thing right now, allegedly defensive genius Lovie Smith’s defense is horrible, very horrible, only Jacksonville is truly worse. And this is after bringing in a high priced rusher and some new corners to fit his scheme. The defensive step back is really unacceptable.
I think Joe and Bucs fans everywhere need to settle down, have a seat and watch their team develop.
I’m saying this because after watching yesterday’s defensive meltdown (we’ll get to the offensive one in minute) I searched the interweb and found old Tampa 2 playbooks from 1998 and 1999.
After reading those playbooks, the Tampa 2, as simple as it might sound – pressure with the front 4, five short and two deep zones, keep everything in front of you. The Tampa 2 is in reality damn complicated to master.
That’s the key, mastering the Tampa 2.
It’s going to take these guys a while to master the Tampa 2. For longtime Bucs fans, lets remember it took Father Dungy, Brooks, Sapp, et al two years to earn a winning record. In addition, we have to keep in mind that practice time has been cut in half by the CBA. Moreover and potentially more harmful is the loss of time in full pads when they can get some really useful tackling practice done, another key to the Tampa 2 – good tackling.
As for the offense, we need to see what happens after a few games with all the pieces in place. Pieces like a settled quarterback situation, a good quarterback with huge upside potential, and a whole new supporting cast, like eight out of 11 if you count Mike Glennon, Demar Dotson and Doug Martin as returning starters.
So, let’s settle down and watch the Bucs develop. It will come, if not this year then next year.
We haven’t had a winning season since 07 and the demand for winning is now. However, based on Lovie’s history and experience as a winning coach, he knows that through the first eight games will be growing pain, with winning and improvements right around the corner. Lovie will not panic, he’s a man of patience, confidence, and wisdom. He’s seen enough of Glennon to know that he’s the future of the franchise. The media wants to continue to throw loaded questions at him or try to bait him into a debate between McCown n Glennon as starter after McCown is cleared from injury. I’m confident enough to know that Lovie was proactive and had a conversation with McCown about who the starter will be henceforth. With key players returning from injuries, the offense trying to adapt to Arroyo’s system, and a bye week coming up, this team will win more games than expected. Glennon plays like a season vet and is the key to the Bucs success. What we’re seeing in Glennon apparently is what Lovie observed during OTA’s and preseason for him to remain on the roster. I’m totally confidence in Lovie.
I voted very confident. I feel we are light years ahead of where we’ve been since Gruden got fired, despite what the score boards say. The lone exception might be the 2010 season.
We have to be patient. Yes, I know L&L said we shouldn’t have to. That’s PR crap. We need to develop and/or locate players who can play in this system. We are on the cusp of being relevant again.
The sample size is too small but we may have finally, FINALLY, found a franchise qb. We have the rest of the year to find out.
My confidence has dropped because of running still on first down, running up the middle still, disorganization on both sides of the ball, saying Glennon is still not the starter, and the complete failure of the right side of the defense against the run, the left side wasn’t much better.
I know it takes time for the team to gel, but the stupid penalties are unbelievable and these are the ones that must be stopped.
Hopefully they will continue to be in the games until the end and we will never see the Thursday Night Massacre again.
I don’t understand the huge rush to name Glennon the starter. A smart coach makes the backup think he’s still competing for his job, which he is, and only when the starter gets healthy does he HAVE to name anybody a starter. Glennon ABSOLUTELY should be the starter…but it makes ZERO difference whether he’s named the starter or not.
He has proven success in this league and I think we should save the guillotine until the season finishes. It would be nice to see a real attempt at improving the defense now though. (Like firing Frazier and having Lovie take over as DC.)
To simplify! The poll says 60% has confidence in Lovie, 40% does not. Comments are 85% no confidence. Stats show that the malcontents have the most to say. Like always!
Damn you guys that are confident in Lovie are trusting individuals. Mike D
Shanahan was a proven Super Bowl winning head coach, Redskins fans believed whole heartedly in him as well, Mike is currently “in the basement”. The NFL is a constantly evolving thing, so past success doesn’t always translate to being able to repeat that success elsewhere. So far Lovie has not inspired a lot of confidence with me, but at least the team has looked better with Glennon (something I doubt Lovie would have done on his own…more like a lucky break for him)
For now I’m in the “Don’t Know” column. Surprised more people aren’t. I want to trust Lovie but unlike many here he doesn’t get blind trust from me. He has a track record he must improve on and show more adaptation to change. He got fired for refusing to change his ways and for riding veterans for too long instead of going with younger (often better, always cheaper) players. So far, not off to a good start, defense is the same outdated stuff and he’s only playing Glennon by circumstance. If McCown was healthy he’d still be playing. And we’d all be furious.
I’m giving him 3 years. He went 5-11 in his first season with Chicago and I know the past is the past. It was a different team, a different city and different players.
We’ve sucked for so long. Why not wait some more? What’s the difference?
If Lovie were to get fired at the end of the season,(not going to happen)how long does the next coach have before some of you are calling for his head? 5 games, 6 games, a 1/2 a season, 1 season, 2 seasons?
It’s almost as if they could hire Bilichick and some of you would expect INSTANT success. You’d be calling for HIS head too after 5 games if the record was the same and you know it. Same thing for Parcells or any of the 2 Harbaugh bros.
I guess no one sees the improvement in the team from last year as I have. Yes the D is ranked 30th but they ARE learning and they WILL learn it. Will it work? I don’t know.
I guess I don’t see the team really learning or improving over last year. Don’t get me wrong winning in Pittsburgh was a great feeling, but losing to two back up QB’s at home and the Atlanta meltdown gave me 2011 flashbacks. I think what we’re seeing thus far in Lovie is a coach that has been overhyped by former Bucs players that probably have personal feelings for the guy and a local media that had a “anybody besides Schiano!” agenda. Truthfully I think Glennon would have progressed with last year’s staff just as well as he has with this year’s, and if not for injury I honestly think Lovie would still be comfortable with starting Pineapple McCown and probably being 0-5 (with plenty of we need to go back and look at the film speeches every week). At the very least he probably has another year after this one, so that should be enough time for an experienced HC to either replicate past success or show that the game has possibly passed him by,
ToesOnTheLine…I’m probably the only fan on JBF that expected the Saints to hand us a beat down, judging by most of the posters comments since last night.
My prediction the one that I wouldn’t post on JBF was 38-17 Saints. So yes I was impressed with the performance despite all the mistakes and penalties.
Some say penalties and mistakes are on the coach. To a point maybe, but these are grown men getting paid millions of dollars. They are supposed to be pros. Yes I used that excuse with Schiano as well. People would blame him for the stupid penalties and I’d blame the players too. I caught a lot of crap for that too. I don’t care, I always feel that way.
One of these days I’m going to learn to post everything I want to say in one post and not have back to back ones.
October 6th, 2014 at 4:54 pm
“This is their first year in a structured system. I know some of our fans, reading the comments, I hope they don’t expect these guy to pick up where we left off in this defense,” Brooks said on WDAE-AM 620. “We went through some growing pains to get to that success. These young men are going to go through some growing paints to understand that. The system they’ve played in thus far has not been as structured as this system requires you to be. So they’ve got to go through those playing growing pains, and the quicker they get past that, I think they’ll be alright. Obviously, the talent level, what they bring is tremendous.”
When the refs don’t call an even game we end up playing against them and the Saints. The refs kept the Saints alive with 1st downs. Our defense ran out of gas…
October 6th, 2014 at 4:55 pm
In Lovie I TRUST!
October 6th, 2014 at 4:56 pm
Until he names MG8 as the starter, little confidence….
October 6th, 2014 at 4:57 pm
In case you have not notice our offense is no longer conservative. We need to clean up stupid penalties.
October 6th, 2014 at 4:57 pm
If I had told everyone before week one, like say in July, that at the Week 5 point of the season, the Bucs offense would not be a major concern or anything close to a concern, a good chunk (80% at least) would have the Bucs at 4-1 right now. That’s the thing right now, allegedly defensive genius Lovie Smith’s defense is horrible, very horrible, only Jacksonville is truly worse. And this is after bringing in a high priced rusher and some new corners to fit his scheme. The defensive step back is really unacceptable.
October 6th, 2014 at 5:08 pm
lol
October 6th, 2014 at 5:11 pm
I voted don’t know because I don’t know.
October 6th, 2014 at 5:14 pm
I think Joe and Bucs fans everywhere need to settle down, have a seat and watch their team develop.
I’m saying this because after watching yesterday’s defensive meltdown (we’ll get to the offensive one in minute) I searched the interweb and found old Tampa 2 playbooks from 1998 and 1999.
After reading those playbooks, the Tampa 2, as simple as it might sound – pressure with the front 4, five short and two deep zones, keep everything in front of you. The Tampa 2 is in reality damn complicated to master.
That’s the key, mastering the Tampa 2.
It’s going to take these guys a while to master the Tampa 2. For longtime Bucs fans, lets remember it took Father Dungy, Brooks, Sapp, et al two years to earn a winning record. In addition, we have to keep in mind that practice time has been cut in half by the CBA. Moreover and potentially more harmful is the loss of time in full pads when they can get some really useful tackling practice done, another key to the Tampa 2 – good tackling.
As for the offense, we need to see what happens after a few games with all the pieces in place. Pieces like a settled quarterback situation, a good quarterback with huge upside potential, and a whole new supporting cast, like eight out of 11 if you count Mike Glennon, Demar Dotson and Doug Martin as returning starters.
So, let’s settle down and watch the Bucs develop. It will come, if not this year then next year.
October 6th, 2014 at 5:20 pm
We haven’t had a winning season since 07 and the demand for winning is now. However, based on Lovie’s history and experience as a winning coach, he knows that through the first eight games will be growing pain, with winning and improvements right around the corner. Lovie will not panic, he’s a man of patience, confidence, and wisdom. He’s seen enough of Glennon to know that he’s the future of the franchise. The media wants to continue to throw loaded questions at him or try to bait him into a debate between McCown n Glennon as starter after McCown is cleared from injury. I’m confident enough to know that Lovie was proactive and had a conversation with McCown about who the starter will be henceforth. With key players returning from injuries, the offense trying to adapt to Arroyo’s system, and a bye week coming up, this team will win more games than expected. Glennon plays like a season vet and is the key to the Bucs success. What we’re seeing in Glennon apparently is what Lovie observed during OTA’s and preseason for him to remain on the roster. I’m totally confidence in Lovie.
October 6th, 2014 at 5:29 pm
I voted very confident. I feel we are light years ahead of where we’ve been since Gruden got fired, despite what the score boards say. The lone exception might be the 2010 season.
We have to be patient. Yes, I know L&L said we shouldn’t have to. That’s PR crap. We need to develop and/or locate players who can play in this system. We are on the cusp of being relevant again.
The sample size is too small but we may have finally, FINALLY, found a franchise qb. We have the rest of the year to find out.
October 6th, 2014 at 5:30 pm
Lovie gets at least three years to do his thing…..about the time Schiano’s salary ends…..
October 6th, 2014 at 6:13 pm
If you’re very confident it’s based on “PR crap”
October 6th, 2014 at 6:30 pm
Joe
My confidence has dropped because of running still on first down, running up the middle still, disorganization on both sides of the ball, saying Glennon is still not the starter, and the complete failure of the right side of the defense against the run, the left side wasn’t much better.
I know it takes time for the team to gel, but the stupid penalties are unbelievable and these are the ones that must be stopped.
Hopefully they will continue to be in the games until the end and we will never see the Thursday Night Massacre again.
October 6th, 2014 at 6:41 pm
I don’t understand the huge rush to name Glennon the starter. A smart coach makes the backup think he’s still competing for his job, which he is, and only when the starter gets healthy does he HAVE to name anybody a starter. Glennon ABSOLUTELY should be the starter…but it makes ZERO difference whether he’s named the starter or not.
October 6th, 2014 at 6:45 pm
I voted confident.
He has proven success in this league and I think we should save the guillotine until the season finishes. It would be nice to see a real attempt at improving the defense now though. (Like firing Frazier and having Lovie take over as DC.)
October 6th, 2014 at 6:49 pm
To simplify! The poll says 60% has confidence in Lovie, 40% does not. Comments are 85% no confidence. Stats show that the malcontents have the most to say. Like always!
October 6th, 2014 at 6:56 pm
Damn you guys that are confident in Lovie are trusting individuals. Mike D
Shanahan was a proven Super Bowl winning head coach, Redskins fans believed whole heartedly in him as well, Mike is currently “in the basement”. The NFL is a constantly evolving thing, so past success doesn’t always translate to being able to repeat that success elsewhere. So far Lovie has not inspired a lot of confidence with me, but at least the team has looked better with Glennon (something I doubt Lovie would have done on his own…more like a lucky break for him)
October 6th, 2014 at 7:12 pm
Confident.
October 6th, 2014 at 7:19 pm
ToesOnTheLine nailed it
For now I’m in the “Don’t Know” column. Surprised more people aren’t. I want to trust Lovie but unlike many here he doesn’t get blind trust from me. He has a track record he must improve on and show more adaptation to change. He got fired for refusing to change his ways and for riding veterans for too long instead of going with younger (often better, always cheaper) players. So far, not off to a good start, defense is the same outdated stuff and he’s only playing Glennon by circumstance. If McCown was healthy he’d still be playing. And we’d all be furious.
October 6th, 2014 at 8:16 pm
I’m giving him 3 years. He went 5-11 in his first season with Chicago and I know the past is the past. It was a different team, a different city and different players.
We’ve sucked for so long. Why not wait some more? What’s the difference?
If Lovie were to get fired at the end of the season,(not going to happen)how long does the next coach have before some of you are calling for his head? 5 games, 6 games, a 1/2 a season, 1 season, 2 seasons?
It’s almost as if they could hire Bilichick and some of you would expect INSTANT success. You’d be calling for HIS head too after 5 games if the record was the same and you know it. Same thing for Parcells or any of the 2 Harbaugh bros.
I guess no one sees the improvement in the team from last year as I have. Yes the D is ranked 30th but they ARE learning and they WILL learn it. Will it work? I don’t know.
October 6th, 2014 at 10:41 pm
Surprising. Most ppl still trust Lovie. Good coach and all, but talent evaluation is garbage.
I like him and want him to succeed, but I think the Glazers were foolish to give him all that power over personnel.
October 6th, 2014 at 11:27 pm
@ Buc1987
I guess I don’t see the team really learning or improving over last year. Don’t get me wrong winning in Pittsburgh was a great feeling, but losing to two back up QB’s at home and the Atlanta meltdown gave me 2011 flashbacks. I think what we’re seeing thus far in Lovie is a coach that has been overhyped by former Bucs players that probably have personal feelings for the guy and a local media that had a “anybody besides Schiano!” agenda. Truthfully I think Glennon would have progressed with last year’s staff just as well as he has with this year’s, and if not for injury I honestly think Lovie would still be comfortable with starting Pineapple McCown and probably being 0-5 (with plenty of we need to go back and look at the film speeches every week). At the very least he probably has another year after this one, so that should be enough time for an experienced HC to either replicate past success or show that the game has possibly passed him by,
October 6th, 2014 at 11:46 pm
ToesOnTheLine…I’m probably the only fan on JBF that expected the Saints to hand us a beat down, judging by most of the posters comments since last night.
My prediction the one that I wouldn’t post on JBF was 38-17 Saints. So yes I was impressed with the performance despite all the mistakes and penalties.
October 6th, 2014 at 11:51 pm
Some say penalties and mistakes are on the coach. To a point maybe, but these are grown men getting paid millions of dollars. They are supposed to be pros. Yes I used that excuse with Schiano as well. People would blame him for the stupid penalties and I’d blame the players too. I caught a lot of crap for that too. I don’t care, I always feel that way.
One of these days I’m going to learn to post everything I want to say in one post and not have back to back ones.
October 7th, 2014 at 10:44 am
Confident….I also need Lovie to name Glennon as the starter.