Lovie’s Love Sonnet To Mike Glennon

May 9th, 2014

mike glennon 1216b“Just talking about our quarterback position: our quarterback position is as strong as, to me, any quarterback position I’ve had when I’ve been a head coach. You know how much I like Josh McCown as our starter here, but I love Mike Glennon. Mike Glennon is our quarterback of the future here. Why would we want to add a third quarterback to the mix? We needed other positions and forget just a quarterback position — yeah, we like it, but we thought this was the best available player for us [in Mike Evans]. It was an easy decision for us.” — Bucs head coach Lovie Smith, Thursday night.

Well, Lovie just told fans Jay Cutler and Josh McCown paired up in Chicago were every bit as good as the 2014 version of McCown and Mike Glennon. Joe’s not quite sure what to make of that, but it’s a powerful statement.


Who knows?

Joe just can’t put his head on the pillow at night and imagine McCown and/or Glennon hoisting the Lombardi trophy with the Glazer family at their side.

Once upon a time, in 2004, McCown played nearly a full season, 13 starts in 2004. Glennon led the NFL’s worst offense last year and was promptly replaced by Lovie in the “starting rotation.”

Call Joe a mental patient, but QB remains the most important position on the field. What would the Vegas odds be for a team to win a division title with McCown or Glennon at the helm and Drew Brees, Cam Newton and Matt Ryan in the division?

It feels like Wile E. Coyote chasing the Road Runner.

88 Responses to “Lovie’s Love Sonnet To Mike Glennon”

  1. Tampabaybucfan Says:

    Agree or diaagree…this is their decision…it is time to move on.
    We do have many other needs and our first pick was definately a need pick.
    Joe…I know you like to write on things that interest you and its your site….but here is some friendly advice from an old media guy…Don’t let your opinion of the QB situation overwhelm your list of future subjects.
    Lets see if L&L are right…

    Sir, Joe has 18,000 posts in archives, many represent the rollercoaster ride of hardcore fandom. Joe will continue to write about what interests Joe, which includes ALL things Bucs. Your advice — whatever direction it might go — has no impact over here. –Joe

  2. Harry Says:

    I love Evans, even more than Watkins. But Johnny would have been exciting to have. Not just bc he can ‘pull’. I just think Manziel has star QB potential and I want the Bucs to finally have that. We’ve never had that. Disappointing. Maybe next decade…

  3. dee Says:

    Thats right mike glennon mob baby the tape dont lie.

  4. Tony Says:

    Difference this year is that I absolutely trust these guys in whatever they decide to do. Obviously they saw something on film and OTA’s that left them comfortable with what they had. First year in a LONG time where I feel like the front office/coaching staff has far more knowledge than the average fan. JFF would have been VERY exciting buy you just don’t know how he will pan out. Man, he was SO small up there on stage last night…that being said, I will be pulling for him to succeed.

  5. The 300's Says:

    I am so glad he said that and Johnny Football is in Cleveland. Now maybe you will start writing stories I can come to your site and read again!

  6. BucsfaninChina Says:

    The vikings made the move of the night in moving ahead of the Texans and all other QB needy teams to snag Bridgewater. And all it took was a fourth! I hope Lovie is right, but this one may bite him in the ass.

  7. The 300's Says:

    Ooops didn’t see your ignorant comment to the first post Joe. That’s right, write about what you want to and not about what your visitors want to read. That will get you places Joe.

    Dude, people have been telling Joe nobody wants to read his ramblings for several years. You vote with your mouse — and you’re here. Joe’s accountability and reality live in his archives. Joe covers the Bucs like no other, and Joe will not change his style. It’s not for everyone, and that’s fine. The minute Joe worries about what people want to read about, that’s the minute Joe is doomed. Because there is no chance of pleasing everyone.–Joe

  8. Kevin Says:

    Hey if Bleicheat liked Glennon, and lead Schiano to take Glennon, and half the fan base likes Glennon. I think it would be STUPID to not give him a chance with some weapons. If McCown doesn’t pan out then Glennon will get his golden opportunity in a REAL offense. I’m excited. This will be fun to watch these monsters on the outside. Now get Marquise Lee for the slot and we’ll be pretty sick

  9. Jason A Says:


    He’s got u here doesn’t he? He ain’t begging you to read his articles. Don’t like? See ya!! Go Bucs. Btw I love the pick of Evans…

  10. Tony Says:

    It’s a whole lot easier to go after your franchise QB when it’s one of the last holes to plug…unless it was an Andrew Luck type of player. All of these guys had/have holes. Evens seems a little thuggish to me but the guy is an animal, there is no denying that. Leadership/Coaching is in place now so we will be fine. Exciting time to be a Bucs fan, lets enjoy it!

  11. P'cola Buc Says:

    @ TBBF
    Ahhh….but the result that we did not take Manziel in later part of round 1 may also mean that the Bucs wanted to take Manziel then but that Licht could not execute the trade.

  12. Jim Says:

    I’m fine with picking Evans. But mark my words, if Glennon is Lovie’s QB of the future, he will NOT have a long future with the Bucs. Better get a QB in the 2nd or 3rd round!

  13. ToesOnTheLine Says:

    In truth this is all the MGM wanted is for the guy to get the chance he played well enough to deserve. A lot of us just went over the top with saying he will be Manning just to p!ss off the fans who were so certain this kid either sucked or was nothing more than a career backup. He very well may end up not cutting it, but at least give the guy a couple years with some quality cast before chucking him on the scrap heap

  14. Robert7 Says:


    I been sayin it. Told all of you. The village idiot is write again.

  15. lightningbuc Says:

    After being seal-clubbed about the demise of Mike Glennon and the greatness (allegedly) of John Manziel the past several months, I can honestly say last night couldn’t have gone any better if I wrote the script.

    John Manziel, ears turning red while GM after GM (all of whom apparently couldn’t get laid in college) pass on him, for the whole world to see humiliated, while back in Tampa, Lovie Smith, talking to Joe and others, basically says “Why would we draft a QB, we have Mike Glennon?”

  16. RastaMon Says:

    Give it FREAK’n break ! Joe….you don’t know…no one knows how Glennon will work out in the NFL….it is boring, and a waste of everyones time…you are beating a dead horse…and maybe we spend more time at other Buc sites….. {RastaMon, you know Joe’s not going to allow you of accusing him of what was deleted. It’s just not accurate, regardless}. … You guys are hilarious. –Joe

  17. Bucfan#37 Says:

    I’m even surprised on Lovie’s statement about the Bucs QB situation. He must see what all the Glennon fans thought about Glennon’s potential. If it sticks, oh what a relief it is.

  18. Nybucsfan Says:

    That is not promising he can’t be for real our QB are a joke.

  19. Oil Derrick Brooks Says:

    Hear that violin?

  20. ToesOnTheLine Says:

    And for the guys (Owlykat) who keep saying with Lovie the Bucs will never get a shot at a top tier QB I say look at last night where the Super Bowl champs could have had Bridgewater or Carr if they wanted. You just never know who will drop, so don’t fret if MG8 isn’t the answer (though I think he is) the Bucs can address QB next year or even get a guy to develop this year later on

  21. MadMax Says:

    ……And like I predicted, the Joes’ will go on a witch hunt because we passed on their mancrush!

    is what it is….IM STILL LMFAO @PASSING ON MANZIEL!!!

    What “witch hunt?” If you want to call a desire for a QB with true franchise potential a “witch hunt”, then so be it. –Joe

  22. Tampabaybucfan Says:

    @ P’cola Buc

    We will likely never know…but it would be easy for them to pick a QB in round 2 or 3 and trade Glennon for something….if they don’t do that then I believe them that QB is not a need.

    I am hoping our next pick is either a very speedy slot reciever or a Guard. If they pick one of them, they are picking the BPA for need positions.

  23. Robert draper Says:

    Eat it Joe Buck Fan and Steve Dipmeg. Gave you guys a chance from here on out it’s only Pewter Report for me.

  24. Harry Says:

    It will be very interesting to see how the “big 3” QBs develop. My feeling is Bridgewater got the best landing spot of the 3. Norv Turner is a great OC and with Peterson they obviously have a tremendous running game. Bortles may have done well too. I am not that familiar with the coaches in Jax, but I have been impressed with everything they have been doing there. Poor Johnny. We may never know what could have been. Cleveland is just a mess. They have some great players there, and maybe the coaches will be ok. But CLE has to be the most dysfunctional NFL franchise there is.

  25. DallasBuc Says:

    Passing on Manziel was disappointing. Get ready to be underwhelmed and mediocre for years to come.

  26. BUCTROOPER Says:

    I can’t see McCown or Glennon hoisting the Lombardi trophy either.

    I CAN see Jameis Winstron, however.

  27. Chef Paul Says:

    Joe, I kept an eye on your Twitter feed last night. I kept refreshing it during the first few picks. It was very fun to read. I was getting all excited for Manziel. Then when Lovie “punted” it was like all the air let out of my balloon. But, now that Johnny is gone, and the emotion is worn off, I really think this was for the best.

    I didnt like the Evans pick (I wanted O-line) but after sleeping on it, I do. If we can get this O-line going this weekend, we will be in a very good place. This is a very exciting time for our beloved Bucs!!!

  28. Harry Says:

    Next pick?
    WR Marqise Lee – no way, Jax will snap him up before we get a chance;
    Louis Nix – Lovie loves a strong middle, but I don’t think we need him;
    Derek Carr – I think maybe, he has that Tedford connection…
    Xavier Su’a-Filo – a definite NEED, AND a great player, but will he be there?

  29. Mathius Says:

    Glennon isn’t very exciting and i don’t know how big his hands are but looks like thats who the Bucs are rolling with. Many Buc fans used MG8 as there target for their frustrations with the schiano man. Life will be easier at QB with Evans. The Bucs still have alot of work to do. Looking for :


  30. Harry Says:

    Kony Ealy – I like this one too. Lovie loves his DE
    I would say Su’a-Filo. We need a OG badly. But Lovie may feel the need to scratch that itch and might pick Ealy

  31. mpmalloy Says:

    Types of people who want to draft Johnny Bum-Lord
    and trade Mike Glennon:
    1.) People who judge NFL players by their girlfriends (pull).
    2.) Media types stirring the moron-pot for clicks or ratings.
    3.) Teenage girls.
    4.) Casual fans
    5.) People with mental deficiencies
    6.) Proud ghey men

    Great job L$L !!!

  32. Diehard_Bob Says:

    SMOKE SCREEN ALERT!!! The QB that the Bucs want is still on the board and they don’t want to have to move up to take him so they are just laying a little extra smoke so other teams won’t grab him, whoever “he” is.

  33. johnny Says:

    Go back and look at the Bucs first 3 games last year before Glennon took over a s a rookie ..Freeman and Company posted worse numbers than glennon ….Glennon has had 13 games not 13 years , yet eveyrone knows he will never be any good …

  34. Eric Says:

    Can only hope Josh pulls a Rich Gannon and finds the fountain of youth.

    But how this can be interpreted as a good QB situation is flabbergasting.

  35. Tampabaybucfan Says:

    @ Diehard Bob

    No way those remarks were a smokescreen to ward off trade ups for QB.
    Lovie would totally lose all credibility. He could have accomplished the smokescreen by simply saying “We have greater needs than QB”….not calling Glennon ” our future QB”

  36. Oil Derrick Brooks Says:

    “What “witch hunt?” If you want to call a desire for a QB with true franchise potential a “witch hunt”, then so be it. –Joe”

    That’s adorable.

  37. Bucfan4life7 Says:

    This whole lead the last ranked offense is a bunch of bull. Yes Joe you are correct that the Bucs were last in yards per game but last time I checked games aren’t scored by how many yards your team has but how many points you score and the Bucs weren’t last in that department. The Bucs averaged 19.5 points per game with Mike Glennon as QB which is below average but it isn’t all his fault with no name wide receivers besides Vincent Jackson, a terrible O-Line, a 3rd string and 4th string RB and an UDFA Rookie for a starting TE. Joe you always say Glennon didn’t raise the play of anyone but Tim Wright had a really good season (you even said last night he was one of the better TE’s in the NFL) and Wright even admitted that Mike Glennon was a huge part of that. Joe you also have said that Mike Glennon had a defense to help him out unlike Johnny Manziel (I’ll agree Texas A&M’s defense was terrible) but the defense gave up an average 25.5 points per game which isn’t good and out of the 13 games he started the defense gave up 27 points or more in 8 of those games.

    Now I’ll have people claim that I’m in the MGM but I’m only being honest and using facts and the facts are that Mike Glennon had a good completion percentage for a rookie at 59.4%, a 2:1 TD to INT ratio and an 83.9 QB rating, all great numbers for a rookie.

    I do believe that Mike Glennon will be successful in this league and I can’t wait to see what he can do with an actual O-Line and Receiving core. Mike Evans will be a great addition to this team and I can’t wait to see what Tampa does today, they could go with Kony Ealy to make the D-Line potentially dominate, they could go with Xavier Su’a-Filo to get a replacement for Carl Nicks and make the Tampa O-Line only one Guard away from being pretty good, or they could draft Marquise Lee and create a real dominate receiving core.

  38. BucsfaninChina Says:

    I dont trust Lovie further than I can throw him. Derek Carr and Tedford would be quite the pair.

  39. Phillip Says:

    If Manziel does go on to have success in Cleveland all the Johnny haters will say

    “Well he’s throwing it to Josh Gordon and Jordan Cameron!”

    Lovie is FULL of sh!t if he honestly thinks this is the best QB tandem he’s ever had… Soon to be 35 year old QB whose best 8-10 games of his CAREER were last season when he wasn’t even the coach(a TRUE QB GURU was) and Glennon the MASTER of throwing 3-5 yard passes when its 3rd and 9 and also the ONLY QB I have ever seen throw the ball away on 4th down with a chance to win the game(smh to that still lol)

    “Glennon had no help blah blah blah” Geno Smith(the Jets had a better offense than us last year and won more games) anyone?!?! The RAIDERS had a better offense last year than us as well and they started 3 different QB’s(Pryor McGloin Flynn)!!! With no help either…

    Enough with the excuses if we seriously don’t draft another QB then I hope we have the second coming of Kurt Warner/Rich Gannon at QB because I know Glennon ain’t stepping it up(sorry not negative about him just being a realist)… If these guys don’t work out and they give Glennon a year or two then we successfully could be ruining Gerald McCoy’s prime…

    QB’s that are sure things don’t fall to the end of the 1st round so people say look at last night… Well what was the consensus of Manziel? You either loved him or you hated him there was no in between… Same goes for Bridgewater… When there’s an Andrew Luck RGIII Matt Ryan Peyton Manning you run to that damn podium and claim your prized possession with the 1st pick in the draft(or 2nd).

    GO BUCS!! 🙂

  40. JA Says:

    You Glennon people must like to watch grass grow in your spare time because watching Glennon is akin to that for me. Nothing like watching a QB with suction cup feet trying to elude a pass rusher. It’s a sad day in Bucville when the thought of watching a Browns game this year is something to get excited about.

  41. Buxfan Says:

    The eye in the sky don’t lie. Mike Glennon did what done with 1 weapon. One guy to throw at. With an offensive line quit on the team.

    Now I’m listening to 620 and Tom bitching that the Bucs passed on a franchise QB. Huh!?!? What!?!?!? Eye in the sky don’t lie! The little I watched of Johnny, he miss a lot of easy reads to make the big splash plays. They love to compare him to Favre. Favre was reckless, but a control reckless QB. Favre trusted his arm more than the play. Johnny trust his legs more then the play.

  42. ToesOnTheLine Says:

    Joe can you please do one of those Schiano standing over Glennon photos you so love using with the caption “Lovie sees greatness in you too my son” for one of your next articles? I’m pretty hung over this morning but for all the Glennon jabs you gotta be a good sport and give the Mob our moment to gloat just like we would have had to take it if MG got traded or if the Bucs wasted er used #7 on a QB

  43. Oil Derrick Brooks Says:

    This is going to be a great day. I’m loving this.

  44. Buxfan Says:

    Donald Penn quit on this team late last year. Thats why he not here. Glennon did not have a chance.

  45. Patrick in VA Says:

    @Joe – remind me, which of those QBs you mentioned lifted the lombardi this year?

  46. Eric Says:

    Wish it was a smokescreen but looks like Glennon is the guy.

    Deeply depressing prospect.

  47. Bucfan#37 Says:

    One fan previously said his friend knew Evans and that he did not want to play for the Bucs. Was Evans shedding tears at his selection by the Bucs a good or bad sign? The pick was a need but did’nt excite me.

  48. Oil Derrick Brooks Says:

    Raise your hand if you also thought Freeman would be great. I groaned immediately over that pick. Glad TB isn’t wasting another 5 years.

  49. My Buc-O's Says:


  50. IdahoBucsfan Says:

    4 hrs of watching last night was rewarded by seeing Joe’s imaginary world tumble down on himself and Johnny-(not even 6 football) while in their “manbrace”! Yes, Lovie made it quite clear how he feels about Joe’s whipping-boy Mike Glennon, and since Lovie makes the calls, and Joe just plays the part of media bully, we can expect to see the BUCS develop Mike and won’t have to watch man-toy get broken in half with no real backup plan, leaving the BUCS years behind on our development! Thank God we didn’t get Johnny F-ball!

  51. The_Buc_Realist Says:

    There is a reason that the Mike Glennon Lynch Mob promoted the trade of MG8, Its because they did not want to see MG8 to out perform all the QBs in training camp for the second year in a row.

  52. Chef Paul Says:

    LOL @ Realist.

    Right on, Brother!!!

  53. BrandonBucsFan Says:

    Joe, I agree in that I definitely don’t think Glennon is the QB of the future and McCown is probably average at best. But Brad Johnson, very accurate and smart, didn’t really have a big arm and wasn’t a big playmaker. I’m glad they didn’t draft Manziel because I don’t think he will last, and while he may sell tickets and create a buzz, so did Tim Tebow. If the Bucs think Carr, Garoppolo, or McCarren are better than Glennon, I think they will grab one of them, but if not looks like we’re stuck with him, at least for now. But I also cannot believe Lovie loves Glennon, and I don’t think he believes Glennon is the QB of the future; indeed that statement was so strong it’s not believable. I think Lovie and Tedford believe Carr is better than Glennon, and I’d bet they grab him another WR tonight, and use FA round 2 for a Guard backfill should Carl Nicks not be ready.

  54. Phillip Says:

    Who in their right mind is gonna say ya we like Manziel(or any QB really) more than Glennon and just couldn’t trade down to get him or get a 2nd round pick for Glennon when they are introducing Mike Evans?? That would be stupid and very disrespectful to Mike Evans.

    I’m sorry but if Glennon is the future then why isn’t he the “starter” after he started last year? Why do you need a 1 or 2 year band-aid after he started last year? Just doesn’t make too much sense to me?

    Lovie also said he wasn’t going to kick Mike Williams to the curb either.. He loved him some Revis too didn’t he??

    Hoping for Carr to get past the Texans and Raiders… Idk if I can take another passing of a QB that actually has potential to be special… TGIF

  55. Bucsfanman Says:

    @Joe- I hope you braced yourself for the “I told you so” peeps. Isn’t it funny how everybody knows, and yet, nobody knows!
    I for one, have no intention of piling on. I would not have been disappointed with Manziel as our #7.
    Keep writing what you do. You do a heck of a job offering opinions and keeping things interesting.
    I do think Glennon can be a serviceable QB. As we saw in the Super Bowl, despite mumblings otherwise, defense still wins championships. Can Glennon up his game? We’ll see. The draft isn’t over yet!

  56. Oil Derrick Brooks Says:


    Right Lovie did say those things. So, using that logic, we don’t know who will actually be the starter. That will be determined in preseason. Best man wins.

  57. Buc the Haters Says:

    If Joe still desires a QB with franchise potential, he should be beating the drum all day today for Derek Carr. He’s as close to JF’s athleticism and passion as we can get right now, IMO…. But, I do think (based on mini camp reports) that McCown has the passion, skill, & leadership qualities to take us all the way this year. Supposedly, the guy is a polished looking QB with great accuracy, mobility, & moxy. Appreciate what we have, please. It seems that McCown is a much better

  58. Buc the Haters Says:

    *accidentally hit submit… Anyway, it seems like McCown is a much better QB now than he ever was in the past.

  59. Joeybagodoughnuts Says:

    I have no problem with the Evans pic, only Lovie’s comments on Glennon. I didn’t believe Lovie was the right guy for this franchise and he just affirmed why, he didn’t learn a thing after getting fired in Chicago. Who want’s to go back to the days of losing 9-6 games? You simply cannot compete and win consistently and go deep into the playoffs without a solid QB and Glennon is not it. Heavy feet, no athleticism, not a play maker. Lovie will eventually get fired as a result.

  60. SteveK Says:


    You dudes rock. Thank you for all the Bucs info.

    Glad we took BPA last night. Mike and Mike are in Tampa. Glennon to Evans.

  61. bucrightoff Says:

    You mean the Cam Newton who led the 26th ranked offense last year? Did his defense carry him to the playoffs? You bet they did.

  62. SteveK Says:

    MGM is accepting new members, Joe and Freemanites, please hop on the band wagon.

    The truth is that L&L took BPA.

  63. SteveK Says:

    Mike Glennon is on this team for a reason.

  64. Bucsfanman Says:

    I love the lofty expectations of 3rd round drafted QBs! It was ALL Glennon’s fault. AND, he will never amount to anything!
    For all our sakes, I hope you haters are dead wrong, especially if the Bucs don’t draft a QB. Will you still root for your team if the dreaded Mike Glennon is at the helm?! Is he really, I mean really, all that bad? Clearly, someone with a heck of a lot more knowledge than anyone here doesn’t think so!
    McCown, Glennon, Kafka…go Bucs!

  65. bucrightoff Says:

    And I said it many times, but if Mike Glennon was ever available to be traded, he would have been traded. Any team like the Vikings or Browns or Cardinals would gladly give up a 4th round pick for him, some might even give up a 3rd. Better value than reaching on a QB in the 1st.

    But that’s the thing…he was never available. Some of you seem to forget Lovie is extremely risk averse. Drafting a QB and trading Glennon carries massive risk. If the drafted QB busts and Glennon becomes a starter elsewhere, Lovie is undeniably fired. Lovie is gonna bank on the philosophy he had in Chicago, but ideally he’s going to open up his offensive approach more.

  66. Bucsfanman Says:

    Oh, just as an “after-thought”, what wins championships? Say it loud people: DEFENSE!
    Don’t start rolling out Russell Wilson comparisons either because he averaged right at 200 yards passing per game last year. I would hardly call those elite passing statistics!
    As far as I’m concerned, it doesn’t matter if you win “pretty” as long as you win. Lovie consistently won at Chicago. Coincidence?!

    Lovie missed the playoffs six of nine years in Chicago. –Joe

  67. Couch Fan Says:

    I see there are still people in denial…. yes hold out beyond all hope. Once we pick anything other than QB in round 2. All your hopes and dreams will be lost. LMAO… What a sweet day this will be. And the sheep are turning against Lovie already without even playing a game yet all because he didnt draft who they wanted. Truely funny sh!t.


  68. Jordan Says:

    Joe, Glennon led the 23rd ranked offense. Josh Freeman’s 3 atrocious games brought us down to 31st. To suggest that Glennon “anchored” the 32nd ranked offense is simply a lie. Your continued repeating of this lie grows my distrust in your analysis and reporting. Yes, you can write in bold underneath my comment and suggest that the 23rd offense isn’t good enough, but that isn’t my concern. My issue is that you are intentionally and knowingly misleading your readers.

    What lie? Glennon was the lead QB of the 32nd-ranked offense, and one of the worst second-half-of-games offenses of ALL-TIME. Spin all you want. –Joe

  69. bucrightoff Says:

    Also I think after how borderline insufferable the entire Johnny pursuit was on here, that Joe owes it to us to ask Lovie and Licht if their inability to pull in college had anything to do with their passing on Johnny. Come on Joe, do it.

    LOL. –Joe

  70. Jeagan1999 Says:

    A vote of confidence in a young QB who performed well as a rookie, is hardly a “Love Sonnet”. To be honest, Joe, the only true love sonnets here lately have been yours to the object of your affection, one Johnny Cleveland. Personally, I think Evans was the right choice. Now we need some O-line help, maybe a third WR, and some depth…and we will be ready to compete with any other team!

  71. Barry Says:

    What don’t you see with MG8? Oh yea, he doesn’t run. According to NFLN MG8 is in the top 5 of all starting QBs in the NFL in being able to make all NFL throws and in arm strength. He was the NFL ROY, setting NFL and Team rookie records, and doing this with only ONE starting caliber skill player (VJ) and a poor OL. Let’s see what he does with an upgraded OL, Doug Martin in the backfield, VJAX, Evans, and Timmy Wright. Hopefully Bucs add another WR today and be done with it. Give this kid a chance. Most media in this town went after this kid with both barrels a blazing and he’s still standing. MG8 is a true Pro and I tip my hat to Smith, Licht, and Tedford. You should be happy with Glennon and support him, or at the least stay off his back for once. Must of been a interesting conference call last night between Justin, Joe, and Duemig. Justin told me via Twitter that he would never support Mike Glennon even if he’s Smith and Licht’s guy. Perhaps Joe’s with Justin on this. IDK but I can tell you one thing Justin, Joe, Tom Jones, and Duemig today are at the alter of the Football gods praying for the Bucs to move up for D.Carr. Who knows, maybe they will.

  72. lightningbuc Says:

    I hope someone makes a video of all the clips last night of John Manziel sitting in that room, apparently with no girls to take pictures with, his ears turning red, sipping a water cup, as player after player is picked before him. That made for such good TV.

    Hard to believe that at least 20 NFL GMs couldn’t “pull” in college!

  73. FLBoyInDallas Says:

    Joe…the reason you’re getting so much flak isn’t your desire for the Bucs to have drafted your JFF. It’s the unbalanced obsessiveness of your Manziel coverage this year and your approach to the subject in general.

    It was strange and burdensome to your readers. At times it felt spiteful, bordering on disrespectful. It was almost as if you were treating your readers, at times, as your own personal playthings to be toyed with at will instead of human beings with their own opinions, insights and takes on the Bucs QB question.

    No…your blog shouldn’t be democratic. You have every right to express your opinions on whatever subject(s) you desire. Rational people aren’t disputing that. What we ARE disputing, however, is your approach towards your readers AT TIMES (not always).

    You don’t have to poll us about subject matter for your articles, but you should show consideration to us as equals who deserve respect and not shove opinions down our throats with an obsessive approach.

    Show more balance next time you have a strong opinion. You’ll see better results from us. What you sow is what you reap. If you’re getting a pile of disrespect, a ton of flak and a huge amount of blowback then guess what? You’re only getting back what you’ve given. That’s how life works. If you want greater respect, more consideration and more balanced responses from your readers that guess how you accomplish that? By giving those very things to us on a regular and consistent basis. You get what you give, man.

    Yawn. Joe has no problem with flack. Joe’s not seeking anyone’s approval. Balance is in the eye of the reader. By your logic, Joe would have changed this entire website six months after it launched in 2008. Joe “respects” (your word) his readers by working hard for them every darn day. If you don’t like it, you leave, just like you would at Macy’s if you didn’t like the merchandise or the shoe salesman for whatever reason. –Joe

  74. BucFanInTokyo Says:

    I like the Evans pick. It addressed a major need after the Williams debacle. Looking forward to today’s draft moves. Joe- keep the site just the way it is. I do not want to agree with everything you write! That is what makes an exchange of opinions fun and entertaining. It makes one think about other scenarios and who knows I might just learn something. Go Bucs! And keep on being Joe!

    Don’t worry. Joe will be here doing his thing, even if half the readers leave in protest. That would still leave Joe with more traffic than many other options. –Joe

  75. FLBoyInDallas Says:

    Typical Joe response. A big “eff you” to the readers. Cool. Just don’t complain when you get slapped around in the comment section. No pity here…not anymore.

    “A big eff you?” Where? Man, you are negative, sensitive and possibly reading comprehension challenged. Joe doesn’t tell you how to run your business. What a double standard you have.–Joe

  76. lightningbuc Says:


    Just pile on with the rest of us. All the salient points you made in your post are what makes today so much fun.

    Today may actually top the day Freeman was released without signing a “team friendly” contract that Joe wanted the Bucs to offer him.

  77. Buc the Haters Says:

    VJax & MWilliams were a tough tandem to cover & Mike Evans is bigger, stronger, faster, & just as athetic as Williams…. Idk how anyone is going to be able to stop our offense now. We may even win the Superbowl this year.

  78. Buc the Haters Says:

    Joe, plz don’t delete this link… http://elitedaily.com/sports/cleveland-paid-100-study-told-draft-manziel-listened-homeless-man-instead/590815/

  79. Brandon Says:

    Joe, you still wish we had Manziel, once and for all, check out Brett Smith of Wyoming. He’s as elusive, makes just as great of plays, is bigger, and faster. He should be there in round 3 and he is a overlooked talent.

  80. Bucsfanman Says:

    @Joe-“Lovie missed the playoffs six of nine years in Chicago. –Joe”

    Open mouth, insert foot! Good point.

  81. Bucsfanman Says:

    Even though you knew these posts were coming, you have to be surprised with all the vitriol. It’s amazing at how behind a computer screen people can be so hateful about opinions.
    The funny part is that the draft isn’t over yet and Glennon still has a lot to prove to be irreplaceable. Not drafting JF proves absolutely nothing with regards to the QB position for the Bucs.
    Lets tone down the “I told you so’s” until we start winning some games.

  82. Oil Derrick Brooks Says:

    If Manziel had been drafted, everyone would love Lovie. Sour grapes!!!

  83. Couch Fan Says:

    Today may actually top the day Freeman was released without signing a “team friendly” contract that Joe wanted the Bucs to offer him.

    Can’t speak for everyone but that only comes in 2nd to the day where he imploded against the Giants on MNF!! Nothing will ever top the joy in my heart that night. LMAO

  84. Bucky1 Says:

    WELL 1. Glennon wasn’t Traded
    2. Johnny F Football wasn’t picked
    3. Johnny Pissed of football dropped liked a rock
    4. Lovey put reporter (I believe it was Tom Jones) in his place
    5. Lovey said in essence L&L will not be intimidated by the media
    6. I can’t wait till next Wednesday to hear Joe’s and Steve Dipmeg
    rip Lovey a new A-Hole. At least Tom Jones showed he had a
    7. The campaign to run Glennon out of town was flipped the
    middle finger by Lovey
    8. The above are all facts

    @ Joe Would you please acknowledge that you wanted Lovey to listen
    to you and Diomeg ? Oh ya, Justin and Tom also.

    I like this site and continue to read until it becomes anti Bucs because Glennon is still on the team.

  85. Manzielski Says:

    “Yes, Lovie made it quite clear how he feels about Joe’s whipping-boy Mike Glennon,”

    Reminds me of when Michael Corleone lovingly kissed his brother Fredo.

    Glennon should avoid small boats.

  86. MadMax Says:

    Hey I love the way the Joe’s are taking their lumps like real Men. We may disagree and get a little disrespectful at times but life goes on. I know of another site where the admin there will ban you just because he can.

    Its all good here Joe which is why I keep coming back! Hope you’re recovering well from your hangover….Im not, Ugg!

  87. Joe Says:

    Hey I love the way the Joe’s are taking their lumps like real Men. We may disagree and get a little disrespectful at times but life goes on. I know of another site where the admin there will ban you just because he can.

    Its all good here Joe which is why I keep coming back! Hope you’re recovering well from your hangover….Im not, Ugg!

    Thanks Max!

  88. Hawaiian Buc Says:

    I am literally blown away by how so many posters are acting towards the guys who gives us all this site which we love so much. What an unbelievable act of low class and ungratefulness. Between people telling him what to write about, and complaining about what he does write about, it’s a wonder you come on this site in the first place. Unbelievable.