Not Sold On Michael Vick

February 3rd, 2014
Would Michael Vick be a short-term answer for the Bucs?

Would Michael Vick be a short-term answer for the Bucs?

Bucs fans got shook up yesterday and it had nothing to do with overly hot chili and funky craft beers.

(Afternoon rant: Anyone who remotely knows Joe knows he’s a beer guy. This craft beer stuff sure seems to be a fad. Countless times Joe goes into a place that offers nothing but funky craft beers, and after a bartender breathlessly recommends a beer Joe never heard of, like, uh, “Gecko Drool,” or some such weird name, Joe has to choke it down and it tastes more like “Gecko Urine.” Roughly 70 percent of this craft beer schlop Joe wouldn’t give to his neighbor’s dog. Joe’s not saying it is all bad, there are some very good beers, but man, Joe would take Bud Light over half of the craft beers Joe has tried. It’s like people are trying to turn beer drinkers into wine snots. Stop!)

Bucs fans read from Adam Schefter that there are two teams in the running for the services of Eagles free agent quarterback Michael Vick, and one of those teams is the Bucs. Fans of the pewter and red reacted as if their Super Bowl party host served warm beer and stale chips.

ESPN’s Pat Yasinskas is among those who raised an eyebrow over Vick. He is of the mind that if the Bucs do get Vick, it’s a short-term move.

But I’m not convinced bringing in Vick would be the right move for the Buccaneers. My main reason for skepticism is that I don’t believe Vick is a long-term answer and this franchise needs one. Vick is 33 and has a history of injuries.

If the Bucs brought in Vick, it could be taken as a sign that they’re giving up on Mike Glennon. I don’t think the Bucs are ready to give up on Glennon, who did some good things as a rookie.

That’s fair analysis. Joe just doesn’t believe the Bucs are going to hand the starting job to Glennon. They may believe Glennon has the tools to be a starter but to just hand them to a second-year guy who, at best, showed limited flashes of greatness is dangerous.

Either upgrade the position or bring in competition for Glennon. No, Joe doesn’t believe Aaron Rodgers’ little brother and Dan Orlovsky falls into the category of “competition.”

118 Responses to “Not Sold On Michael Vick”

  1. Captain Stagger Says:

    There are no Vet’s that would be a lock as an upgrade. I also would take a bet that Glennon if he plays all 16 will have a better year than this years rookie crop.

  2. mike n Says:

    Rumors come from team personel or from the players camp. I think these rummors came from the players camp / agent. I wouldn’t put any stock in it.

  3. William Says:

    I would take Vick and draft a QB in the 2nd round. Vick will improve the O-Line/ Running backs by having defenses honest for his ability to run.

    Glennon is just a backup QB.

  4. Kirk Says:

    Don’t quite know what to say about Joe’s lack of taste for craft beer. I would rather drink “Gecko Urine” than Bud Lite. If I want a glass of water, I will open the tap. Nasty beer that lite stuff. By the way, I agree, no to Vick.

  5. ROBERT6 Says:

    Vick is the only one I would want them to bring in that could be a better starter than Glennon.

    Problem is he always gets hurt. and if they develop the offense around him it would not work when MG came in after Vick goes down.

    and Vick will want to be the starter. He has a better chance of doing that with the Jets.

  6. Eric Says:

    Terrible cast of potential FA QB’s.

    I’d pass on the whole lot, not worth the trouble. Vick couldn’t shine in Kelly’s offense which should be perfect for him.

    McCown brothers? Please. Grossman?…ugh. Depressing thoughts.

    Draft a guy who can be long term answer or stick with MG.

  7. bucsfan1989 Says:

    I don’t understand why everybody got their panties in a bunch about bringing Vick! As I agree is NOT a long term answer Vick does have a few years on him just enough to give Tedford enough time to either work with Glennon or whatever other QB the Bucs are bringing in. Not to mention who’s to say Tedford don’t teach Vick how to stay healthy and work on sliding (which is one of the reasons why he’s constantly hurt) and improve his game. Who’s to say that old Michael Vick back? I think is a great move it would give us some mobility and the QB spot and he’s a veteran. He can’t shock every one he is playing with a chip on his shoulder after been replaced by his back up in Philly! And please stop with the Vick Dog Comments! The man payed his due let him play! Jeez!

  8. bucfanjeff Says:

    Bucs are going to bring in ____ and see\work with Glennon = we’re going to draft a QB but we’re going to spout non-sense as not to tip our hand.


    SPEAKING OF CRAFT BEER – My nephew lives in Cottonwood Az, he works at a 76 station. He told me they’re putting in 6 craft beer taps … IN A 76 STATION !!!!!!! I’M GETTING OLD !!!!!!! LOVE THE SITE JOES !!!!!!! GO BUCS !!!!!!!

  10. Kansasbuc Says:


    What do you think about the Bucs trading for Kirk Cousins. He has stated he wants to start and wants to be traded (all backup QBs usually do). Do you think he would be a better fit for our team?

  11. Joe Says:

    What do you think about the Bucs trading for Kirk Cousins.

    Interesting thought. Not sure if Cousins is the next big thing or just a guy who did just well enough in a couple of games to con people into thinking he’s a legit starting quarterback.

    Frankly, hope he gets traded to the Browns. 🙂

  12. Adam Says:

    Joe, for someone who I agree with on so many things I must point out how wrong you are about bud light. It’s just bad. Very bad. You don’t have to love the craft beer craze, but don’t settle for that. There is no reason a grown man should drink bud when they could have other truly American beers like Yuengling or Sam Adams if craft beers aren’t their thing.

  13. killian Says:

    The fact that you choose to drink Bud Light in a world full of much better beer is astonishing and upsetting!

  14. Doc Says:

    Why not give Vick a chance or any other free agent quarter back,the more you bring in the more competition. I can not say anything good or bad i do not know the man,however i would not just hand the position over to any one unless they earn it through competition.

  15. Joe Dunn Says:

    Adam and Killian are right – – – I do N O T but light beer any more…..most pubs have good flavors you are familiar with. And they usually let you taste a sample.

    Light beer is a rip-off anyway (are the Glazers listening?) SAME price and for that you get a) less flavor and b) less alcohol

    Sam Adams, Bud regular, Coors regular (hard to find) and Yuengling are solid flavors of craft or micro brews are not your style.

    And, most folks that drink light beer drink so many, they are NOT losing weight either.

    PS – – Vick is a disease we dont need

  16. Marcilyn Says:

    All I can say is NOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!! We do not want Vick…everything is finally falling into place for the BUCS and I feel more optimistic than I have in years….but NOOOOOOOOOOO – we don’t need that kind of person on our team! (ps- yes I rescue dogs and cats and no I will not get over it!)

  17. mpmalloy Says:

    Well…last nights SuperBowl proved Joe’s point beyond any
    reasonable doubt: The only way to win a SB is with a Super-QB.
    Defense means nothing. The Bucs only hope is to field a QB
    with Newton-Brees type skills.


  18. Patrick in VA Says:

    Dungy is a big Vick supporter and Lovie puts a lot of stock in what dungy thinks. Not unbelievable

  19. Buc1987 Says:

    Build us a DEFENSE Lovie.

  20. Clowney Says:

    That Bud Light comment made me fall out of my chair. I thought Joe was a real beer drinker

    My wife had a party and asked me what beer to buy. I said to get 2 cases of Heineken, 1 Becks, and 1 St Pauli Girl. She also bought 2 cases of Bud Light on her own.

    All the good beer was gone within a week of the party. The Bud Light hung around for over a year. I couldn’t get anyone to take it for free. I finally found someone who would take it 20 miles away and I had to deliver it.

    There are 42 breweries in Portland, Oregon. When Nestles came to town, they bought up a bunch of politicians and decided to put fluoride in the public water. Almost had a revolution.

  21. JJ Says:

    Bud Light has better commercials, but if you taste them side-by-side, Miller light has better beer. But I’ve gone back to drinking regular beer for a step up in flavor. I just try to drink a little less of it.

  22. thegregwitul Says:

    Your last paragraph sums it all up, Joe. Mike Glennon flashed some potential, but he needs real competition to either push him to the next level or to the backup spot. I don’t know if that QB will come in the first two rounds of the upcoming draft or through free agency/trade, but Michael Vick does not represent a winning future for this team, imo.

  23. Patrick in VA Says:

    @thegreg-does he need competition to push him to the next level or proper coaching? I’m not saying don’t bring in competition. Quite the opposite actually. But I don’t think that’s going to be what gets the most out of him. coaching that’s at least adequate will go a long way for him

  24. Bucco fan Says:

    Vick would not be a long term fix at QB. I would try and make a play for kirk cousins. He showed some promise and could possibly be an upgrade to the position. He is young and could be a solid QB with proper coaching.

  25. Brandon Says:

    Kirk Cousins absolutely killed his trade stock when he absolutely stunk it up against the Giants. Though he MIGHT be an upgrade over Glennon, he probably isn’t going to be more than a mid-level starter if anything.

    Josh McCown would be ideal. Good arm, good size, good mobility, age appropriate for a guy that can come in and challenge Glennon. He’s also not the long-term answer but if he beats out Glennon then he can start long enough until a younger starter is found. If he doesn’t beat out Glennon then he is an excellent backup. Unlike Vick, McCown hasn’t had a ton of injuries…he hasn’t played much, but he is well preserved.

  26. Buc1987 Says:

    All in favor say I.

    All opposed say nay.

    I say nay.

  27. Biff Barker Says:

    Friends don’t let friends drink Bud Light.

  28. Orca Says:

    Joe, if you can even choke down a Bud Light, or similar mass-produced uhmerkun ditchwater, you can’t call yourself a “beer guy”. And craft beer isn’t just a fad, although there may be some faddish aspects. The more people learn about beer and the brewing process, the more they appreciate quality ingredients and a variety of beer styles. As a conscious consumer, it’s also a lot easier to stomach buying beer made by small, local breweries than it is to drop money in the pockets of Anheuser-Busch or some other gigantic corporation.

  29. Bucco fan Says:

    I agree with you on that Brandon. That was my thought process of being able to get cousins possibly cheap. McCown did have some flashes of brilliance this season. However I think he was able to succeed because of the system he played in this year. He has been passed around the league a lot but only looked sharp in their system.

  30. oldfart44 Says:

    There seems to be a problem with many people who follow this site when it comes to players who have had problems.

    Just take a look last night at the problem child Percy Harvin. Is he worth putting up with? He has had numerous physical and social problems on top of being a narcissist.

    Surely to hell it would not hurt to bring Vick in for a short time to let a young QB learn? He has shown maturity and class with his situation in Philadelphia; don’t get started on the dog fighting deal.

    This could be the perfect solution for him with the staff that has been put together.

    To really piss some of you off, are they considering Freeman? I’m sure that Lovie and Frazier have had talks about him.

    Of course, that remains to be seen, but I’m sure the rumour mill and the crazies will generate something to upset people.

    Just got back from Arizona yesterday; great weather and some great people.

  31. Oahubuc Says:

    Bud Light??? No thanks to that watered-down adjunct swill. College was a long time ago.

  32. voice of reason Says:

    joe, your takes on craft beer, mike glennon, and johnny f have my daily visits down from 20 to about 11.

  33. Touchdown Gus Says:

    Love or hate Glennon your foolish to think this team doesn’t needs qb at least in a backup role

  34. Diehard_Bob Says:

    Hey Joe, As long as we are stirring the pot . . . let me ask you about this one. Did you see this piece on Tim Tebow that ran on espn recently?
    Just hear me out for a minute. IF he has really changed his mechanics as stated in the video and he gets the endorsement of his well respected trainer, what would be the harm of bringing him in for a try out? He has NFL experience. He has a playoff win. He is a great locker room guy. Great work ethic. Could battle Glennon for the starting position and then draft someone in the later rounds to develop for the future. Could probably get him cheap with an incentive laden contract and he would sell a lot of tickets in Tampa. If he is as advertised in the video someone is going to give him a chance. By the way, I’m not a Gator fan or a Tebow freak, just looking at all the possibilities.

  35. Joe Says:

    Dungy is a big Vick supporter and Lovie puts a lot of stock in what dungy thinks. Not unbelievable


  36. Joe Says:

    Just hear me out for a minute. IF he has really changed his mechanics as stated in the video

    He has been changing his mechanics for how many years? Joe’s not buying that line.

  37. Mr. Patrick Says:

    Hard to talk about trading for a QB when you don’t have a 3rd or 6th round pick. And the list of free agent QB’s is very unimpressive. Bucs may stick with Glennon simply because there isn’t a better option.

  38. Kevin Says:

    I would take a rookie Bridgewater over Vick. I would take Glennon in his second year over Vick. Everyone wanted Vick over Foles in Philly. Who won that job again??????????? Vick should stay in Philly it would be best for his career and best for everyone.

  39. PRBucFan Says:

    Hell no to a running QB who can sometimes pass

  40. Sapp, STFU Says:

    All chatter aside, I could see this happening. A story of redemption coupled with an inexpensive price.

    Will I get banned for suggesting it looks like Rachel hit a few extra buffets lately?

  41. Phillip Says:


    Vick won the job in camp and was reinserted as the QB after Foles had a bad game.. Then got hurt and Foles played at a pro bowl level..

  42. thegregwitul Says:

    @Patrick in VA: I think Glennon could benefit from both competition and a professional coaching staff. I was never a Vick fan, going back before he got in trouble with the law, as he was almost always dominated by the Bucs and was never an accurate passer. He is exciting to watch, sure, but he just never struck me as being that good.

    As of today, if Johnny Football is available at 7, I’m all for bringing him in. If he’s gone, and he’ll likely be long gone by that point, I wouldn’t be against drafting Jimmy Garoppolo in the 2nd round. It might be best for two young guns to battle it out and push each other, as opposed to bringing in an older veteran in what looks to be a depleted free agent class.

  43. Oil Derrick Brooks Says:

    Bud Light over most craft beers?

    More swill for you. More craft beer for me. We both win.

    There’s not much that could keep me from watching Bucs games. But, Mike Vick is one.

  44. Patrick in VA Says:

    @thegreg-agree on going for garropolo in the second. Won’t lose my mind if they go qb with #7 but I won’t agree with it. Trading up for a qb would be a tragedy akin to bringing schiano back

  45. Kevin Casey Says:

    In the world of beer, you are clearly a man of middling taste and menial judgement. So drink more bud light dude. Oh, and fantasize about chicks that you will never ever have. I am not sure, but there may be a thematic correlation there.

    Nice reading skills. Joe didn’t write that he doesn’t like craft beer — good craft beer. –Joe

  46. Ol' Uncle Willie Says:

    I don’t mind a Bud Light every once and a while. It’s cheap, and they have pitcher specials at many of my fav sports bars. The egregious responses that some of you “Autumn Pumpkin Spice Latte of the Hairy Dog” drinkers have at the notion of drinking a Bud Light is laughable. It is the #1 selling beer in ‘Merica. What? You can’t be a “truck guy” if you drive a regular old F-150?

    I would be disappointed if we got Vick, unless we didn’t give him much more than we gave Orlovsky. Doubt he would go for that, but at least in TB he has a shot to compete for a starting gig. I think his ship has sailed in Philly.

  47. Kevin Says:

    @ Phillip – and who will be the starter in Philly next season? I doubt Vick stands a chance. I just think Glennon deserves a shot. If not Glennon I’d rather bring in a running style QB with an arm and accuracy like Bridgewater. It will bring some excitement and with the D that love is going to have on this team we will be a very competitive bunch.

  48. Eric Says:

    I suspect that the glazers aren’t fond of paying out the arse for Jackson and Reevis and waiting for MG to develop.

    JF is the man who can play at a high level ala Wilson and Kaepernick.

    We can’t afford to sit around and watch Glennon get sacked. The DC’s have him pegged.

    Trade up!

  49. bucsQcCity Says:

    Vicks and Glennon.. 2 different skillset. More work for Tedford if they choose this option..

    This is gonna be a long offseason

  50. Harry Says:

    Lover of yucky Bud Light and Johnny Manziel? hmmmm

    Is there a connection here?

  51. BucfaninMO Says:

    Is Cousins really an upgrade from Glennon? Please the guy has played in 8 games and is 1-4. Plus since the Redskins have not had top pics in the last couple of years, been in cap hell and with so many QB hungry teams this year what is gonna be their asking price? A 2nd? Hell no!! Glennons numbers are far better than Cousins. If they would take a 5th or lower then you might think about it.
    If we are going to burn a one of our five draft picks why bring in someone who on paper is not as good as Glennon? Use it on say someone like a Brett Smith from Wyoming who can run and has a good arm (but needs coaching) in maybe the 5th round? Or if you want a guy that’s been in the NFL for a few years, maybe approach KC offer our 4th rounder for Chase Daniels and their 6th round pick?

  52. Patrick in VA Says:

    If Vick comes in and loses the competition he’d be great to have playing against or defense as they’re preparing for games against mobile qbs

  53. BucfaninMO Says:

    And what do you think we offer to trade up to say # 2? You have Jax, Cle, and Oak all ahead of us that need a QB.
    Also how do you protect this guy with no OL and no picks? Glennon was sacked 40 times last year..
    Just curious..

  54. Tgregs Says:

    I predicted yesterday that the Glennnon haters in the local media would today be trumpeting the “death of the pocket passer” and beat their Johnny drum. Sure enough that has been BD’s show today.

    Last year the pocket passer won over mobility. The locals will spin anything anti Glennon. Once again the only people who like him are the one’s that evaluate talent for a living.

    BTW who had more scores against Seattle, Glennon or Manning?

  55. PRBucFan Says:

    Flacco is a pocket passer who can run if need be

  56. cbell96825 Says:

    Why no talk of matt schaub I think he would bring some good competition for glennon. Schaubs done more then cousins mccowan and has stayed healthier then vick. Idk mabey I dont know anything
    Go bucs.

  57. Tgregs Says:

    The only team that scored more against Seattle than the Glennon led Bucs was the Colts

  58. Rob Says:

    Mike Vick isn’t an upgrade. He’s an upgrade at the back-up spot, but that’s about it. He’s injury prone, 34, and slower every year.

  59. Buxfan Says:

    Patrick in VA Says:
    February 3rd, 2014 at 3:25 pm

    Dungy is a big Vick supporter and Lovie puts a lot of stock in what Dungy thinks. Not unbelievable.

    My thoughts exactly. Don’t be surprise to see him in a Bucs uniform next season.

  60. Harry Says:

    @Tgregs Says:
    1) “…the only people who like him are the one’s that evaluate talent for a living.”

    Like who? Who has their job on the line saying Glennon is so amazing? Just wondering, bc I really want to believe the Bucs have their franchise QB of the future.

    2) “BTW who had more scores against Seattle, Glennon or Manning?”

    So now Glennon is better than Manning? Don’t you want to take this one back? Since the MGM crowd likes to spew endless excuses about why MG can be better (needs better WRs, TEs, O-line, Coaching, schemes, etc), I guess since MG scored more TDs than manning IN SPITE of this major setbacks is that he light years ahead of Manning.

    I mean no disrespect, honestly. But this last comment I felt was just way over the top.

  61. Phillip Says:


    I was just stating what happened.. Nick Foles will definitely will be starting for them next year.


    Please stop commenting on this site.. You are a complete tool

  62. Harry Says:

    With the FAs that will be available: Vick, McCown, Henne, Freeman (I jest…), etc. I just do not see how we can “upgrade” via FA. Good backups, mentors, yes. But not an upgrade.

    For some who are suggesting we use a 2nd rd pick on a QB. We do not have many picks in 2014 and picking a QB beyond the top 10 picks in the 1st rd is statistically not even a 40% chance of rate of success – its a total shot in the dark. So that means is also not going to get us an upgrade. Again, maybe a backup (if this is the goal, I’d rather sign Vick).

    Lastly, Trading up to #2. At some point we are going to have to bite the bullet. Right now at #7 we are only 5 spots away. Next year, when Lovie’s D kicks in, we will likely be picking in the teens at the very least. Cost to move up will be ridiculously prohibitive.

    Are you happy with a history of Freeman, Garcia, Gradkowski, Simms, Griese, Brad Johnson, Shaun King, Dilfer, etc? 15 years of Bucs QBs. When does this madness stop? You say the price is too steep to trade up; I say the price of never having a franchise QB is too high, too miserable, too frustrating.

  63. Buxfan Says:

    All of you fantasy football GM’s don’t have a clue. We all don’t know what we have in Glennon. I trust the real GM and coaches of the Buccaneers to evaluate these players. Hell you people need to stick to Madden. You can make all the moves you want. I’m pretty sure you can get Andrew Luck on the Bucs.

  64. jason77 Says:

    I would love to feed VICK to my pit!

  65. Harry Says:

    really annoying. Sometimes when I post on here, the post just disappears. No, I don’t use smutty words (except for MGMs, lol). I also don’t include other websites. Its not all the time, just occasionally, no real pattern.

    Anyone else have this problem?

  66. Buc1987 Says:

    Harry…I know some words are filtered so it will not allow your entire posts. Words like Br-ady or Br-ad will not go through. You just have to identify which word it is and reword it somehow.

  67. Andrew 1 Says:


  68. Andrew 1 Says:

    @ Buc1987

    Thats odd but your right, Just tried it and it didnt work.

    When it comes to Vick I’m more indifferent but I wouldn’t mind bringing him in for some competition and I have a pit. The guy did his time so its time for us all to move on. Oh and the bucs could get Vick AND still look for a long term solution Mr. Yasinskas. No matter who we pick up at QB though I would still like to see Glennon get a fair shot the starting job, though that probably wont happen if we draft a QB in the first round.

  69. Kevin Says:

    @Buxfan – I am with you….Glennon has not had enough time for it to be determined whether or not he can be a winning starting QB. With a good coaching staff and hopefully a good OC, time will tell.

    One name I would like to throw out there for QB – Brian Hoyer – CLE

    I believe he may be under contract, but if Cleveland draft a QB, with a new regime in town, we may be able to get that guy in a trade at a pretty cheap price. He looked fantastic before he got hurt…mobile, accurate, stood tall in the pocket, good arm, smart. I’d like to see him compete with Glennon AND add a rookie QB to the mix.

    Thoughts anyone???

  70. Andrew 1 Says:

    @ Kevin

    Thats a good option, I like it. He did look pretty good before he got injured.

  71. CJO Says:

    @BucfaninMO… The offensive line was terrible no question but Glennon’s lack of mobility attributed to quite a few sacks… Or as “The Glennon Mob” spins it “pocket presence/poise”

  72. Danbell716 Says:

    Come on Joe, I will give you that not all craft beer is great but to to say you would rather have a bud light? That stuff is horrible!
    p.s. why waste or time w/ vick.

  73. Hawaiian Buc Says:

    I would have no problem with Vick, but he shouldn’t be handed the starting gig. That is of course assuming we can’t get the QB we want in the draft. Vick is a better player than Glennon, at least right now. One thing that is almost definitely for sure is that Glennon will still play, because Vick never plays a full season. I’ve always said that Glennon will be a very good backup, and he is capable of winning some game in a backup role. Vick has won games in this league, and I really haven’t seen him slow down too much. I saw a couple games last year where he still looked like the fastest guy on the field. He throws a very good deep ball, and we have deep ball receivers. Due to his legs, he forces other teams to bring that extra guy in the box, which leaves a lot of 1 on 1’s. As for the dog thing, he did his time and has been nothing but a great citizen since he got out. Time to move on.

    One thing that makes Vick interesting is since he is left handed, that now makes right tackle the protector of his blind side. That may actually be for the best, because Dotson had a much better season than Penn, who has more of a right tackle body anyway. That would keep both Dotson and Penn at their regular positions, but it would flip their importance and duties. That might be a win win for everyone.

  74. BuccaneerBonzai Says:

    Diehard_Bob, I think Tebow should consider learning how to coach.

  75. BuccaneerBonzai Says:

    I would not attend a single game id the Bucs sign Michael Vick, and it has nothing to do with dogs.

    I spent years hating that man when he led the Falcons. I was disgusted with the attention the media gave him…when he wasn’t even that good.

    No freaking way will I attend games with him on the team.

  76. Kevin Says:

    Interesting, if Alex Mack came to Tampa from Cleveland, to play for his old offensive lines coach from Cleveland, and old head coach who are both now in Tampa, and they both tell Lovie to look at Hoyer…hmmm???????????????

  77. NY Buc Says:

    If Lovie brings Vick in to play on the Bucs then I think I could probably piss in a glass, tell Lovie it’s top shelf craft beer, and watch him drink it down with a smile because he would prove he’s a far bigger buffoon than ANY of the Bucs coaches before him. Even if some fans can look past Vick’s past (which I refuse to) his penchant to throw to the other team or fumble would put Lovie’s defense on the field

  78. NY Buc Says:


    in Bucs territory too often…getting twitchy on the submit comment button LOL

  79. Kevin Says:

    And hey, while they’re at it bring Josh Gordon along for the ride too!!!!! Clean out Cleveland!!!

  80. NY Buc Says:

    @ Kevin

    Hoyer is actually a decent QB…probably the guy they keep. If the Browns dump Jason Campbell I’d much rather go for him as QB competition for Glennon than Vick. I’d still go for Schaub (someone mentioned his name earlier). Prior to his pick 6 spiral last season he has proven to be a decent QB in the NFL….not a long term answer, but decent.

  81. Hawaiian Buc Says:

    “I spent years hating that man when he led the Falcons. I was disgusted with the attention the media gave him…when he wasn’t even that good.”


    So you don’t want guys from within the division, or on the Falcons? So much so that you won’t attend any games just because he is on the team? Wow, that’s pretty harsh. You dislike him because the media gave him too much attention? There must be a lot of players you really hate. He did lead them to the NFC Championship, and took a franchise that was absolutely horrible to being at minimum pretty decent. He has a few trips to the Pro Bowl under his belt – more than anyone we’ve ever had at QB. I never liked him either (because he was within the division) and I certainly don’t think he’s wonderful, but I’d take him over Glennon every single day of the week. I’m all for getting someone better, but I’m not a fan of going after backups from other teams who haven’t done a thing to prove themselves. I don’t want a Matt Flynn situation to happen here.

  82. Harry Says:


  83. Hawaiian Buc Says:

    Anyone who says Jason Campbell is better than Michael Vick has never seen either player play, and probably has been drinking way more than they should. That’s laughable. Really, Jason Freaking Campbell? LMAO

  84. Kevin Says:

    @ NYBUCfan

    I’ve liked Campbell too, but it would be nice if they draft a 1st round QB and come off hoyer for a trade. Nothing to crazy though. Third round or later pick next year I dont know. I see Schaub as a backup, I think Bridgewater is a younger, more durable and more accurate Vick, don’t know if he has Vick’s deep ball. Hope he stays in Philly or goes anywhere else.

  85. Harry Says:


    Yeah, and I typed in Br-ad Johnson. Thats it???? My whole post does not register bc of that?

    Whats up with that Joe

  86. Kevin Says:

    And I mean Campbell as a backup, Hoyer as potential starter. Cambpell for Dan O.

  87. Hawaiian Buc Says:

    So you guys want a couple QB’s from Cleveland – which may I remind you has had years and years of terrible QB play??? Hoyer played in a grand total of 3 games and you want him to be our QB??? That’s a big enough sample size for you? I just don’t follow the logic. So you want to replace a 6’7″ immobile QB with a pretty decent arm with a 6’2″ immobile QB with a weak arm and a torn up knee? Answer this question honestly: how many games have you actually seen Hoyer play (redzone channel and sportscenter don’t count)?

  88. Hawaiian Buc Says:

    I can almost guarantee you these are the same people that would throw a party for Ryan Mallet and Kirk Cousins.

  89. Martinii Says:

    Glennon + any free agent or any draft pick = to, or better than, Glennon will appear to many as the end of Glennon. Give him one more year or 8 more games if you must to prove that the new coaching staff can fix his mechanics. If he fails bench him or relegate him to a 3rd rd back-up. But give him a chance.

  90. Eric Says:

    Call be a judgmental hypocrit but I can’t respect anyone who is cruel to animals.

    Don’t care if he would help, don’t want him on the team. Besides I think his time has passed. And he isn’t a good candidate for a cohesive locker room. Guy is a head case if you ask me.

    Ill take Glennon.

  91. PRBucFan Says:

    Vick won’t help.

    Don’t want a run first QB failed turned passer.

    He’s had numerous chances in the NFL and never can take advantage of them.

    Not to mention when’s the last time he’s been healthy a whole season?

    No ty

  92. Eric Says:

    Rock star has left us in bad shape at QB. Just below the line to get a good one and only five picks to trade up.

    Baaaad position.

  93. Hawaiian Buc Says:

    Not sure what you mean by “numerous chances”. He’s been on two teams. He went 21-6 (TD’s – INT’s) in 2010, but definitely fell victim to an absolutely MISERABLE offensive line the next 2 years. He didn’t fail last year, he got hurt and was replaced by the Buc killer Nick Foles, who lit it up. He averaged 8.5 yards per rush last year, so I would argue that he still has his speed. He has missed a lot of games due to injury, but not as many as I thought. 4 of his six years in Atlanta he had at least 15 starts, and he really hasn’t missed that many starts due to injury in Philly.

    I hate that we even have to consider Vick. I don’t want to use a 34 year old QB who really isn’t that great to begin with. I’d much rather have a young guy that can lead this team for years, but I don’t know how possible that is. Is there a guy like that available in this year’s draft? Even if there is, what would it take to move up and get him? I’d rather have Vick for a year or two than waste a premium pick on a reach of a QB. I just don’t want to go into the season with Glennon as the clear cut starter, nor do I want anyone who has played QB for the Browns.

  94. BFFL Says:

    So Gleenon plays against the best defenses in the league (Seattle, 49ers, panthers twice, saints, Arizona) and Joe bashes this kid because he doesn’t look like a damn Hall of fame QB as a rookie. The reality is, he actually played better against Seattle then Newton, Bree’s, Matt Ryan and Peyton. The kid has the goods so I’m positive it will show as Tedford evaluates him.

  95. Bucfan#37 Says:

    I don’t think Vick can beat out Glennon to start as Bucs QB. I am confident the Bucs will be .500 or better this coming season under Lovie and his assistants. Beer drinking, I guess it is an acquired taste, I’ve had maybe a couple dozen beers my entire life. I much prefer the natural unadulterated high that heals. I have enjoyed pounds of this excellent product and always want more and better. Legalize it.

  96. PRBucFan Says:

    You can be on one team and still blow numerous chances lol.

    He’s had plenty of chances to succeed in this league. 12 seasons

  97. NY Buc Says:

    Nah Hawaiian I’m not saying I am looking at Campbell as a Bucs starter…I’m a Glennonite/Glennon Mob or whatever name is being used…I think Glennon beats whoever they bring in and has a good season (and career). I’m just saying if the Bucs are looking for a mobile vet backup QB I’d prefer the Bucs look at Campbell instead of Vick. If they want a good passing backup QB I’d like to see the Bucs look at Schaub. Again I still believe Glennon showed enough as a rookie that I feel confident the guy will win the starting QB job over any of the FA vets that will probably be available (much to the chagrin of the haters/doubters of Napoleon Dynamite…I mean Mike Glennon)

  98. DallasBuc Says:

    Bud light? You drink that garbage and your complaining about the taste of craft beer? Irony on a base level.

    Sign Vick. We are desperate.

  99. Hawaiian Buc Says:

    “He’s had plenty of chances to succeed in this league. 12 seasons”


    He has 4 Pro Bowls in 12 seasons. He’s won comeback player of the year and leads all QB’s in the history of the NFL in rushing yards. I’d venture to say that’s some moderate success, no? We got any Qb’s in the history of our franchise with 4 Pro Bowls (and here comes the inevitable argument that Pro Bowls are a popularity contest and mean nothing, even though that’s the first thing mentioned when discussing someone’s hall of fame credentials)?

  100. Hawaiian Buc Says:

    Campbell isn’t a mobile QB. Not all black QB’s are runners.

  101. Kevin Says:

    @ Hawaiian Buc…Did you not read what I typed in my previous posts? I said bring Hoyer in as a potential starter. Never once said give the guy the job. I said get him on the cheap, if possible, draft a QB and give Glennon the opportunity to compete with the other two. Never once said replace Glennon. Then I said Campbell as a backup. If you think Dan Orlovsky is a better QB the Campbell I disagree. Bringing Vick here would be a waste of time and money. It would be exciting for the first three weeks until he starts throwing picks and icing him ribs every half and roll’s an ankle up. No thanks. I’d rather “take a look” at a guy who’s 28 years old, who’s never had a fair shot until last year and had an unfortunate injury while he was on a roll. The 6’2 isn’t a problem. That’s taller than Vick, Russell Wilson, Drew Brees. Leave Vick in Philly

  102. Hawaiian Buc Says:


    How many guys do you want to bring in? So you want 2 of the 3 QB’s on our roster to be from Cleveland??? I’d take Glennon over any QB currently on the roster of Cleveland. All you are doing is bringing in a bunch mediocre talent (at best) and hoping they all of a sudden become something they’ve never been. I’ve got news for you, they’ve all had a “shot” to be good. These teams actually practice instead of just playing in games 16 times a year. They all get reps, so I hate that ridiculous excuse. Russell Wilson (who wasn’t drafted as a starter) beat out the Seahawks prize free agent, so it can and does happen. If Hoyer were great, you would have heard of him before his amazing, hall of fame, 3 games of last year. And I mentioned the 6’2″ because he is no better than Glennon at anything, so the height does help. I’m sure Brees wouldn’t mind being 6’7″.

  103. Eric Says:

    I dunno I watched a few Philly games early on this year and Vick seemed like a mere shell of his former self. With a bona Fide offensive genius calling the plays.

    Gotta be a better option.

  104. Andrew 1 Says:

    has nothing to do with being from Cleveland. If you have watched any of his games you would have noticed that the guy actually played pretty, even for a starter. Lets just say this, based on his play this passed season, I would consider Hoyer serious competition for Glennon, and thats no slight to Glennon.

  105. Patrick Says:

    You want to have good beer?

    Drink Shiner Bock

  106. Tgregs Says:

    @ Harry
    1. Take the time to read what nationally known evaluators like Boomer say.
    Also look at what Becht said last week and every one Joe asked but Sapp.
    2. Of course I did not say Glennon was better than Manning but the simple undisputed fact is he scored more against the Seahawks than all but the Colts. That’s fact, not opinion or made up crap. And that’s without the Pro Bowl RB and with a line like a sieve. I think he deserves some credit for that.

    I find it curious that most everyone finds value in Wright (as do I) who certainly doesn’t look like a typical tight end but works hard and has good hands. And was a Rutgers guy, and a good find. But Glennon is hammered by his looks and pedigree.

    IMO the anti-Glennon sentiment is based on the typical coach and QB are the face of the franchise mentality. So if you hated Schiano you must hate Glennon. Sorry I like him. Look at the tape when he was in hurry-up on his own. He looked pretty darn good.

  107. PRBucFan Says:

    Vick probowls

  108. PRBucFan Says:

    Lol sorry don’t know why that entered

  109. PRBucFan Says:

    Does that mean that he’s made the most of his chances?

    His 13th year you’d think he would firmly be a starter.

    He made 3 of his 4 probows for being a flashy running QB

    AP comeback player of the year heck even the probowl really doesn’t mean anything.

    Phillip Rivers got that award this year right? Lol

    Lavonte sat home and Keuchly won DPA of the year with worse stats than LVD ahaha.

    It’s been 4 years since than, he hasn’t made the most of his chances.

    We don’t need a washed up 13year vet who can’t stay on the field because he is always hurt.

    He’s determined to prove he’s a passer first and he’s been on the decline since.

  110. Hawaiian Buc Says:

    There aren’t many guys that have played 13 years in the NFL at QB, much less firmly as a starter. Again, he’s not even in the same ballpark as elite.

    I don’t care how he makes the Pro Bowl, he’s been there multiple times.

    Are you saying Philip Rivers can’t play? Don’t get your point there.

    Not sure why bringing up Lavonte has any relevance, but agreed he got screwed.

    Again (fifth time I believe by my count), I’m not saying he’s great, but he’s better than any other option we have, and probably will have. Teddy or Johnny football won’t be there at 7, and I doubt we have the pieces needed to trade up. Making the most of his chances??? Heh?

    He’s not ideal, but I would argue against him being washed up. He can throw the ball down the field with the best of them, he just struggles with the short stuff (sounds familiar, I know). However, he can use his legs, and he still will. I’m not buying his jersey, but I’d feel better with him and Glennon than I would with Glennon and pretty much any other QB available.

  111. k1ngadroc Says:

    bucs need a vet to come in and compete. MG has earned a real shot at leading this team but also has a lot to improve on. If we can draft Bridgewater i say take the best player on the board at that time. yes, i would be very happy with MG, a vet and a first round QB pick.

  112. Barmorej Says:

    Anyone who drinks Bud Light has no right to call themselves ‘a beer guy.’

    That isn’t beer, it’s pisswater.

  113. Patrick in VA Says:

    Depends on the salary he wants and if he’s willing to be a backup. Sounds like he’s wanting to leave Philly because he wants to start. If he’s not starting here then why would he leave? Also, he’s coming off of a monstrous contract with Philly, I’m pretty sure he’s not going to sign for a paltry sum here. If he’s signed to a big contract then there’s no QB competition. And @k1ngadroc, we have way too many significant needs to sink as much as you suggest in the QB position when only one can be on the field.

  114. Kevin Says:

    @ Hawaii – I don’t want two QB’s from Cleveland. Im not even the one who brought up Cambpell. Someone else mentioned him and I said yeah he’d be a good backup. Hoyer has had three games to prove it. Thats about it. Did you watch Hoyer play? Any time there is a new QB getting a shot I think most people make a point to watch and see how he looks. I think Glennon is pretty good and deserves a shot and you just said yourself teddy and johhny will be gone at 7. And are you gonna tell me you’d have a problem with Josh Gordon a FA coming to Tampa? Hoyer wouldn’t make for a good QB competition.? Vick IS GONNA GET HURT!!! He has been hurt every year since he came back? Hoyer has a much higher ceiling. Just about all QB’s do because we all have seen Vicks best alread and we all know he cannot do it consistently…so why waste the money???

  115. Bucks_Sam Says:

    Check the stats.

    Vic has completed 16 games in his 11 or 12 year career…. Once….

    Tampa doesn’t need a washed up[ dog murder.

    It’s pretty clear Russel Wilson just gave Glennon the biggest endorsement he’ll ever need. D-Fence and a so-so QB is all you need.

    Our D is pretty good. Save the Vic money, and load up the pass rush. Doug Martin back with Rainey is probably more than enough to make Glennon the man.

  116. Don't like the dirty birds Says:

    Bring in Tebow for competition. Vick just wouldn’t cut it. Timmy has been working hard on the problems he has had in the past. You guys can bash me all you want but I see a lot of posts about giving people second chances. I would hope that Glennon wins the starting job and our staff can “fix” Tebow. Now you have a good starter and backup. I am serious.

    I await the slamming now.

  117. PRBucFan Says:

    He made 4 and 3 and they were not even because of legitimate QB play which is what we need. Not a fancy run first, get hurt QB. So yes it does matter how he got them. Especially because that’s not who he is anymore, he’s much less productive since trying to prove to the world he can be a pocket passer. Our divisions defenses would swallow him up.

    And my point is that that award is a joke because Phillip wasn’t coming back from anything lol. He was here last season, he just played worse ball. He got that award while others who truly had to comeback from injuries/tough circumstances and excelled were looked over.

    And with DPOTY the point was to show how all these awards really mean nothing in the end, they are B.S. for the most part. For every time they have gotten it right you can name multiple people they have totally whiffed on.

  118. Supercereal Says: