“Biggest Jump” Should Be Next For Glennon
February 21st, 2014
Bill Polian talks QB development with Joe at the combine
Talking to Joe this afternoon at the NFL Scouting Combine in Indianapolis, longtime NFL general manager and scouting guru Bill Polian, now an ESPN and SirusXM NFL Radio analyst, shared his philosophy on a quarterback’s development over his first four seasons in the game.
Per Polian, if Mike Glennon is on the right path — and remains the starter — then he’ll begin to grasp NFL defenses in 2014.
“Offseason between the first and second years [a quarterback] makes the biggest jump, becomes a man physically, learns what his team can do, learns what his offense is all about and what it’s supposed to do and begins to understand what defenses are doing to him,” Polian said.
Now that should be very soothing to the Mike Glennon Mob.
Mob members can also warm their hearts thinking about the amazing strides Josh Freeman made from his Year 1 to Year 2. Freeman was astounding, leading his very young team to a 10-6 record and finishing second in rushing among NFL starting QBs, in addition to 25 touchdowns versus six interceptions.
Ahh, the memories.
You can listen the snippet of Polian’s four-year QB plan below, with an assist to Joe’s friends at WDAE-AM 620.
February 21st, 2014 at 4:05 pm
he can only go up from here, right?
February 21st, 2014 at 4:12 pm
Hmmm, I think joe’s website has been hacked…. I did not hear Joe ask about the “worst qb in the division.” or call Glennon a “career backup”.
Joe if you are in trouble or have been captured, clear your throat 2 times in the next audio clip posted!
February 21st, 2014 at 4:23 pm
@realist – Joe said in a previous post that he hadn’t had anything to drink all week since being in Indy. there’s your answer
February 21st, 2014 at 4:37 pm
(After listening to Polian) So why should we reach for a quarterback and start that process over again
February 21st, 2014 at 4:40 pm
Except….all of the sudden….Glennon has a new offense to learn…so his development after season 1 is already challenged.
February 21st, 2014 at 4:45 pm
I think the problem in Tampa Bay is that we have really never had a true franchise quarterback. There has been such a long ongoing list of mediocre QBs that people have become just willing to “settle.” If a guy is just halfway decent – mediocre – people have come to feel that it’s about the best they can expect, so they’re willing to anoint him. Sensibilities have been numbed. But like the John Belushi speech at the end of Animal House, “Not me, I’m not gonna take this.” Like the newscaster in Network, “I’m mad as hell and I’m not going to take this anymore.” Not being argumentative, but I’d really like to know from ALL the people who think Glennon is great: With all the QB starved teams around the league, what do you honestly think he’s worth on the open market? A 1st round pick? A 2nd? A 3rd? A 4th? What? Because surely with the premium on a great QB and the # of teams out there who need one, there would be a demand for Glennon, wouldn’t there? So I sincerely would love to read the well reasoned thoughts regarding what you think his true value is around the league.
February 21st, 2014 at 4:51 pm
don’t worry guys. once johnny mancrush turns him down joe will be heaving beers like glennon got a long term contract and life will return to normal.
February 21st, 2014 at 4:57 pm
Hope that changes in a few hours.
February 21st, 2014 at 4:59 pm
@ Realist, Patrick
lmao thanks for the laugh.
February 21st, 2014 at 5:04 pm
The more I think about it, the more I don’t see the Bucs selecting a QB no.7. They will take one at some point, but I see WR or DE as the first pick.
February 21st, 2014 at 5:04 pm
Touchdown Gus Says
“(After listening to Polian) So why should we reach for a quarterback and start that process over again?”
New offense. New coaches. Glennon IS starting over. Now is the perfect time to introduce another potential starter into the mix.
Personally, I would like to see a vet (other than Vick) brought in AND we draft a QB at 7.
February 21st, 2014 at 5:05 pm
He could do much worse Lurk
He could be Free Free lol
February 21st, 2014 at 5:06 pm
Kevin, I think taking a WR in round one is a huge mistake, because there are so many that will be there in Round 2 that are very good.
And to take a DE, there are only a couple worthy of a first round pick. It would have to be QB or OT or OG.
February 21st, 2014 at 5:07 pm
Unless one of the two better DEs happen to fall to us (doubtful).
February 21st, 2014 at 5:07 pm
he still can be freeman with enough time and money, just without the mobility, lol.
February 21st, 2014 at 5:09 pm
good to great de can be had in free agency this year and next. not so for the qb position.
February 21st, 2014 at 5:11 pm
I don’t think you can teach ADHD, give him an afro, bronze his skin or make him that stupid short of daily acid trips.
February 21st, 2014 at 5:11 pm
We must land
Hardy
and or
Allen/Peppers
😀
February 21st, 2014 at 5:12 pm
It does not matter what the fans think nor what draft analysists think. Haven’t we learned by now that Joe’s opinion is all that matters and the rest of us who do not agree with Joe just amaze him. That being said, I guess we should just all agree that we should sell the farm to get Manziel who is a rookie and has not proven he can win in the NFL since we obviously have no more important needs….laughable. Glennon is not a winning NFL QB at the moment and maybe he will not develop into one but who knows? DO you really believe after one partial rookie season as a starter under an idiotic offensive system, that he has reached his ceiling? You are smarter than that Joe. We have to bring in some competition for sure though regardless of it is a drafted QB, a veteran free agent or both. Joe I enjoy your site and do not have anything against your opinions, I just ask that you respect mine. IMO Glennon should get a chance to compete and I like his reported work ethic and intelligence. I honestly do not know how you can compare hime to Freeman on any level. Freeman quit caring and most likely has some kind of emotional or substance issues. I hope he can get his act together though as I do not wish for anyone to fail….unless they are playing the Bucs. 🙂
February 21st, 2014 at 5:17 pm
who reported on glennon’s intelligence? did I miss it?
February 21st, 2014 at 5:29 pm
@ Lurker
I remember the old regime mentioning his inelligence as being one of his strong suits. That does not matter though because there is a new regime and their evaluation is what matters at this point. I am not in the MGM but I am a Bucs fan pure and simple. Therefore I want whatever gives us the best chance of getting back to the top. Glennon’s lack of mobility may be his biggest downfall.
February 21st, 2014 at 5:30 pm
bachelors, masters, 3.8 GPA – the guy got be pretty bright
February 21st, 2014 at 5:32 pm
@ PRBucFan
I agree. Hardy, Allen or Peppers would be great for our D-Line and would pair up with GMC to make our pass rush potentially lethal.
February 21st, 2014 at 5:44 pm
If Glennon is as good as the so call experts say he is or will be,trade him for a number 1 pick.
February 21st, 2014 at 5:54 pm
@Robert 6 – all while bring a starting NCAA qb that played at a level that got him drafted in the third round
February 21st, 2014 at 5:57 pm
I put the challenge out there and no Glennon supporter has the guts to come out and say, “Oh, yessirree. He’s worth two # 1s. Or one #1. Or even a 2nd. Because they’re ashamed to admit the truth: the Bucs would be lucky to get a #3 for him (and it would probably be a #4).
February 21st, 2014 at 6:23 pm
3.1 undergrad
3.8 masters of arts liberal studies “which centered largely on leadership and sports management”
come on now.
February 21st, 2014 at 6:34 pm
Lurker…admittedly that isn’t rocket science. But how many of these guys have above average intelligence? I think those grades are pretty commendable….I mean, how much better could he do, scholastically. And that might be a lousy major for you or me, but maybe he want a sports related career after football. And if so, that is fine relatively to that vocation.
February 21st, 2014 at 6:40 pm
@ williethewonder
there is NO qb out there in the draft( nor mike glennon ) that is worth that. just too much to give up for an unknown commodity. and yes, after only 14 games there is still a lot we don’t know about glennon either.not a member of the MGM ,but willing to have lovie and his coaches evaluate his talent on the field . too many questions about all the candidates. unless you have a crystal ball , I wouldn’t sell the farm just yet.
February 21st, 2014 at 6:45 pm
Ed…no one really knew how good Aaron Rodgers could even be on draft day…and he was holding a clipboard for years while working on learning the Offense and developing his mechanics. He showed promise, but it took years for him to prove he had what it took to be a franchise QB.
No one knows how good any of these young draft guys can be. You have some guys like Romo that are floating out there that seems to be no better than Danny White was…he certainly is no Staubach. Can he get them to the promised land? I don’t know….Only time will tell if they have the complete package to be a true franchise QB. I think half the “franchise QB’s” really don’t have the ability to carry a team on their back or play consistently enough to deserve that label.
February 21st, 2014 at 7:46 pm
If Watkins was there at 7 I’d jump on him.
February 21st, 2014 at 11:12 pm
I know Glennon’s trade value would be at least worth a 3rd round pick, the one we don’t have for some stupid reason, yeah Revis. I don’t believe the Bucs would trade our QB for even a 2nd round pick.
February 22nd, 2014 at 1:07 am
Come on Joe, Mr. “Sign Freeman, an extension now”….posted constantly….smdh
REALLY!?!?
Joe had recommended the Bucs give Freeman a team-friendly, incentive laden extension last offseason. But Joe was fine with them seeing how 2013 played out with Freeman. Let’s not exaggerate. It’s in the archives, searchable below. –Joe
February 22nd, 2014 at 1:08 am
Sorry your feelings failed you on Freeman….buyers remorse sucks 🙁
February 22nd, 2014 at 1:55 am
I wonder if Glennon will come in heavier. Polian mentions becoming a man physically, and MG has plenty of frame to fill out.
February 22nd, 2014 at 2:14 am
You know, Ed, you make a good point. I for one think Glennon probably has great trade value. Not a first rounder do to the fact that he was a third round just last year. But a second rounder?… I think so.
So the Bucs should trade him to one of those QB needy teams above us to make the jump for Bridgewater(Johnny’s Houston bound and there’s no way around it). Then we can watch Glennon blossom and win a bunch of games just like the other franchise quarterbacks that Tampa didn’t think were good enough.
February 22nd, 2014 at 2:23 am
When Glennon gets a competent O line and a slot receiver, and Dougie is back, …please keep calling for his head while you’re praising his performance next year!!!
February 22nd, 2014 at 2:37 am
lol…u guys are delusional! a 3rd rounder, a second rounder…smh
February 22nd, 2014 at 6:52 am
@lurker – are you serious man? I’ve seen a lot of troll posts on this site but are you telling me that a guy getting both a bachelors and a masters degree over the span of 4 years at a well established and respected university while playing football at a high level is a questionable achievement because of his major? Get real man. I’d be interested to know what your masters degree is in and how long it took you to get it so I can have an idea of what your frame of reference is when you’re looking down your noise at this kid for what I see as an unquestionable sign of intelligence and dedication. I don’t know about his football acumen because i’m not in the film with him but he’s without a doubt a bright kid and anyone that says otherwise is as simply wrong
February 22nd, 2014 at 9:08 am
ummmm whatever. i’m not trolling. yes, i question it. intelligence is stated over and over for this kid so i asked where it came from. i have not seen it listed as his positives by others unless u r a glennonite. i also listed what i found’ and yes, i know how these programs work, especially for football players. so suffice it to say, he is intelligent no more so than freeman, or carr, or garopolo, etc.
February 22nd, 2014 at 9:09 am
the same rationale should have been applied in to Shawn King, Bruce Gradkowski, Blaine Gabbert, Chris Simms, and many other quarterbacks that failed to take the next step.
The fact is that with young quarterbacks if they are not learning about the NFL faster than the NFL is learning about them then they won’t take the next step. considering Glennon is extremely limited in what he can do physically, for his sake, he had better learn extremely fast.
February 22nd, 2014 at 12:17 pm
I just can’t wait until free agency is done so we have a better idea of our draft needs. I hope we draft the best player available at a position that is hard to fill via free agency e.g QB or OT. We can get DE help via free agency like Hardy, Allen or Peppers but Drew Brees type free agents don’t come around very often. It just killed me that we did not go after Brees and he was picked up by the Saints.
February 22nd, 2014 at 12:43 pm
Freeman’s 10-6 record was against a powder-puff schedule of pop warner teams. The Bucs had it really easy that year.
I’ve yet to see anything from Mike Glennon that makes me think he’s anything more than a 3rd round pick on a 32nd ranked offense. People somehow bought into some fantasy about him that I didn’t seem to get the memo about.
February 22nd, 2014 at 2:23 pm
I know its fun to speculate as to who we pick in the draft, the fact of the matter is what we do in FA will determine as to what we do in the draft. But like I said it is fun to discuss the draft.