Shaun King Challenges Bucs Fans

December 26th, 2013
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King demands higher standards

What would the Christmas season be without hearing from former Bucs quarterback Shaun King?

King, one of three quarterbacks to lead the Bucs to the NFC title game, offered many passionate takes this morning, including a call for fans to wake up and start being pessimistic.

King has long been known for being very down on Greg Schiano and rockstar general manager Mark Dominik. A 4-11 record and a roster with holes hasn’t changed that, though King is very high on Mike Glennon, calling him a great backup quarterback.

King wants his fellow Bucs fans to demand greatness.

“You know I really want to challenge this fan base to just stop accepting mediocrity. Stop being so optimistic. Start being more pessimistic,” King said on WDAE-AM 620. Start holding this organization to a higher standard. Because we deserve a championship here in Tampa. We deserve a football team that has the best head coach, the best GM and top level talent. People spend their hard-earned money to go out and watch this product, and that’s the level of performance that you should demand.”

King also said Schiano and Dominik should be held to one standard.

“Do you think you can win a championship with Greg Schiano as head coach? And if the answer to that is, ‘No,’ then you need to start over. As long as Mark Dominik has been here, this is what I tell people, he’s been here five years and we still have a roster that has major holes at key positions. I mean if you really want to win a championship, then you gotta go out and get the best.

“You know, stop saying, ‘well, let’s give Schiano another year and hope everything comes right. The stars align and we hit it out of the park.’ There are better guys out there to coach this football team. And I know people like Mark Dominik as a person, but he’s made some huge mistakes during the course of his tenure, and it’s showcasing itself because the roster doesn’t have any depth. And we’re still devoid of elite talent on offense, even when healthy.”

Joe doesn’t buy that the Bucs are devoid of elite talent on offense when healthy. They could use more, but the cupboard is hardly empty.

But King’s challenge to Bucs fans and big-picture questions are fair, and ones Team Glazer is grappling with over coffee and cake.

60 Responses to “Shaun King Challenges Bucs Fans”

  1. bucsfan13 Says:

    Joe – You have to realize how ironic it is for Shaun “king of the backup” to call someone a good back up.

    I about fell out of my chair with that line.

    Frankly, Joe doesn’t see the irony. Joe doesn’t get why many fans think one must have been a superstar player to be a credible analyst. The logic doesn’t fit. Is Dan Orlovsky, for example, incapable of moving into media because he once ran out of the back of the end zone and only one a handful of games in his 10-year career? I mean, what does Bruce Gradkowski really know about football after playing for Jon Gruden and surviving in the NFL since 2006?–Joe

  2. Patrick in VA Says:

    I think King’s take is a good way to get the Bucs moved out of Tampa eventually. Internally they need to be held accountable because this is their job and if they’re not performing then they should be dealt with but telling the fanbase to be pessimistic and to hold the team to a higher standard is taking this thing a little too seriously. Every other team has fans that spend their hard earned money to support the team as well. Their money didn’t come any easier than our fans’. The Bucs are Tampa’s team and part of fandom is being there for the high and low tides. The only way for the fans to hold the team accountable is to stop going to games and stop buying the merchandise. The attendance is already bad so the only way to get worse is for nobody to show up at all. Then the team goes away. Maybe not in the next couple of years but all it takes is a season or two of that and the Glazers will make up their minds to take the show on the road to somewhere else.

    We really need to stop taking this thing so seriously. What we’re spending our money on is entertainment. If you’re taking it so seriously that you can’t be entertained if your team isn’t dominating the other team then your football team isn’t the biggest issue you have. Let’s all just take it down a notch or two and support our guys

  3. Laughing Stock II Says:

    If Schiano comes back we should spend our money only with the RAYS! Let the Glazers fork money into their “college” investment (Schiano game plans)!

  4. BuccaneerBonzai Says:

    “Stop being so optimistic. Start being more pessimistic.” – King

    There is a set of rules to live by! I’m sorry, Joe, but King is a total loser. It has nothing to do with whether he was a superstar or not. It has to do with the work ethic he showed Bucs fans in his second year and the way he’s done his job as an analyst. It’s his own idiotic words, like those above, that condemn the man.

  5. AK Says:

    What King says is all well and good but remember, Gruden wasn’t good enough by his standards

  6. AK Says:

    It was AWESOME when the Bucs realized King was nothing but a backup and got Brad Johnson in here to replace his sorry ass…King has held a grudge against Gruden for that ever since, and the whole organization (the irony being that Dungy was still the head coach when King got demoted)

  7. BigMacAttack Says:

    What the Bucs did in 2010′ was entertainment. Since then they have a handful of entertaining games and everything else was garbage. Film doesn’t lie. Dom has improved as a GM but in 5 years of drafting, he has only a handful of top notch players. The remainder are either not on the team or in the NFL anymore. The few that have remained are mediocre at best. Dom has not drafted a single O line player that has made the team. Economos, Penn, Zuttah and Joseph are Chucky holdovers. The Bucs have such a high turnover of players, is it any wonder they suck? I don’t usually agree with the Burger King, but this time he nailed it. I still doubt the Glazers are going to make a change this Season. They are making money hand over fist even if they look like the number one Baffoon Owners in the NFL.

  8. gt40bear Says:

    Regardless what your opinion is of King, he strangley has a valid point…this time. The coach cannot shoulder the blame all by himself. This team has so many holes and such a woeful lack of quality depth that the front office must also be held accountable. Yes Dominic’s last two drafts have seemingly been better and YES he did draft GMC but even a blind squirrel… His overall talent evaluation record is questionable at best. I don’t lay all the front office blame on “Rock Star” either. Another common piece of all the Bucs draft futility over the years is Dennis Hickey. The drafts have gotten better since they hired the guy from Seattle but everyone else should be getting unemployment come January 2014!

  9. Rob Says:

    That tool should be challenging the fan base to buy some tickets, go to the stadium, and try to be louder than the fans in Seattle or Kansas City. Challenge fans to actually help the team win games, rather than challenging them to bitch more on the radio.

  10. BigSombrero Says:

    So Shaun King wants us all to hate this organization as much as he does. Whats new?

  11. bucsfan13 Says:

    Joe – The irony is that he was nothing more than a glorified back up and so someone shouldn’t be throwing stones in a glass house!

  12. Patrick in VA Says:

    @Rob – Agreed. You want the team to win more games? Maybe go there and give them an actual home field advantage. Maybe make it difficult for the opposing offense to get a play off. If the fans are going to demand so much return on their hard earned money then maybe put in the effort that other teams’ fans do when they’ve spent their money as well. Get to the stadium and make some noise. Derrick Brooks has said as much as well. He’s talked about how much easier it was when the place was packed and the stadium was rocking. Stop coming on here hoping to whine your way to a championship team and give them some help

  13. j.r. Says:

    I think the Fat pessimistic guy Who ate shaun king might actually be right.

  14. bucsfan13 Says:

    Shaun King is an angry man! I think he blames the Bucs for his career not working out. I have never seen an ex player so angry towards his former team. Ronde, lynch, and sapp are all analyst and yet you never hear them dogging the bucs as bad as king. You can see it because no matter what the bucs do it is a bad move according to king

  15. bucsfan13 Says:

    It would be like keyshawn dogging jackson for dropping passes when keyshawn was the king of dropped passes

  16. bucsfan13 Says:

    I like that one J.R.

  17. bucsfan13 Says:

    Why are my comments being moderated?

    Joe part of the NSA?

  18. buc4lyfe Says:

    Jon gruden wasn’t good enough, we became the oldest roster in like one year…the guy who refused to trust rookies he’s the reason dominick is here he’s the reason rich mccay left

  19. AK Says:

    you must enjoy 28-51 since he was fired then. Because firing him was “the answer” …he was what was “ruining” this team. Right.

  20. bucsfan13 Says:

    oh you mean 28-51 the worse record for any active GM…..shhh don’t tell anyone!

  21. AK Says:

    Anyway, Shaun has valid points he just has a bizarre way of making them…people will disagree often about how we as fans should “demand better”. I myself am a season ticket holder, have been for a long time…many tell me “stop buying season tickets, Drew, by doing that you’re showing that you don’t care…cancel them, it’ll change things!”….. Well, no, it doesn’t work that way. This isn’t like switching cellphone companies

  22. AK Says:

    bucsfan13 lol touche! I do agree w/ Shaun’s disdain for Dominik in that regard- Bruce Allen and Gruden were fired, ok, fine…but there is NO WAY, at least, I sure as hell hope not…that when the Glazers made that move, they envisioned 4 losing seasons out of 5, and if they did…well…Lord help us. I don’t think the Bucs organization is viewed very well or stable by many around the league, including prospective head coaches- there are a lot of up and coming coordinators out there that I’m sure would love to take over here but, are we the most attractive job opening out of the 10 or so that’ll be open?

  23. Patrick in VA Says:

    @AK – A coach could do worse than having a team with legitimate all-pro level talent and a nice climate to work in with no state tax. There are some shelves that need some groceries but the cupboard wouldn’t be bare by any means.

  24. Tampabaybucfan Says:

    “Shaun King, one of two Buc Quarterbacks that lost a NFC Championship Game when his defense gave up 11 or fewer points.



  25. WalkdaPlank Says:

    It’s not the fanbase you have to worry about when it appears that the bar is really set low at One Buc Palace. You think the fanbase is SATISFIED with this garbage?? I’m not sure about you fellow Bucs fans, but I was expecting a wild card berth from our Bucs this season, seeing as how they finished 7-9 last year with a top 10 offense and the best run defense. They added a few corners (including Darrelle freakin’ Revis) and Dashon “the Hawk” Goldson to aid that god awful DB corp known as the “Fearsome Foursome”. I mean, as a fan, what do you expect from a team that has just overhauled its previous coaching staff? You expect an improvement obviously.

    No, it is really Dominik and the Glazers that are satisfied with mediocrity apparently. For 5 years, the Bucs have been nothing more than a rebuilding team. Who needs to rebuild for 5 years?? I know Rome wasn’t built in a day, but Jesus Christ how long does it really take to form a mildy successful football team? I would exclude 2010 but that was obviously a fluke, we got all high and mighty because we beat a bunch of losing teams except for the Saints, and went 4-12 with a bunch of quitters the next season. This team has not looked like a true competitor since the Gruden days, and we fired that guy after a 9-7 season.

  26. Yeah It's me! Says:

    Well Mr King…. Who’s better that’s available? Remember about 8 other teams will be looking also. Im not saying Schiano is definitely the answer but who’s better? guaranteed better? Stop the bitching and give us answers Mr King!

  27. bucsfan13 Says:

    AK – I am a huge fan of continuity. I know this has been painful but we still don’t really know how bad it was before Schiano got here. It was so bad that when you ask people in the “know” they won’t talk about it as if they saw a murder.

    I think Schiano should be given one more year. The glazers never spent money during raheem days because they were paying two coaching staffs and knew they were rebuilding. Unless we do some crazy trade for like shaun peyton for multiple draft picks like we stole gruden than I say whats the differance.

    Lets get a new O cooridinator and see what happens. Schiano has the defense playing great.

  28. ander Says:

    shaun king needs to stop worrying about the bucs and worry about his health, that guy looks fatter eveytime i see him.

  29. Dave Says:

    I get expecting more form the organization, but to say “be pessimistic” is not right. There is nothing wrong with being optimisitic.

    Also, Mark D has made mistakes and so has ever GM in the NFL. Show me a roster with no holes?
    I think Mark D made great picks at the time of the drafts and almost every analyst agreed. Some pan out, some don’t. It’s a crap shoot. For example:
    Bowers is not panning out, but there is not one person here who did not think that was a good move. Same with Brian Price at the time. The whole thing is a crap shoot.

  30. Yeah It's me! Says:

    And just cause someone is available doesn’t mean we will get them over another team (s) that will be vying for the best available coach (s). Sounds easy from the couch or paid NBCS chair.

  31. AK Says:

    @ Patrick in VA – I agree with all of what you said, but who knows…I think established nfl coaches aren’t gonna want to work with a micromanaging GM, they’ll want one of their one.

    @Bucsfan13 I am a fan of continuity also and I have heard similar-and I’ve tried to explain to many that is why Schiano was hired in the first place, to clean up the org’s reputation as having “thugs” etc etc. And early this yr Schiano was clearly taking blame upon himself and got manipulated by Sleepy, Leaky Joshie poo and his scumbag agent. It’s a matter of surrounding himself with a better staff-and most importantly a good QB coach, going forward, if he were to stay on.

  32. Kaput Says:

    You can hate the messenger all you want, but his point is completely accurate.

  33. Tampabaybucfan Says:

    If we took Shaun King’s advice….we’d be sitting with a high-priced Freeman with a long term contract……

    “Shaun King, one of two Buc Quarterbacks that lost a NFC Championship Game when his defense gave up 11 or fewer points.”

  34. bucsfan13 Says:

    Ak – from what I have seen schiano has a Grand Plan. He looks long term not just short term. He tried to get mcnulty last year but was blocked. Got him this year but it was too late to start a new offense. With a full off season mcnulty will be O cooridinator.

    Schiano foreseen the problems with sleep leaky and drafted the best QB in the draft. No one can argue that he didn’t turn out to be the best in that draft class.

    Schiano has an eye for talent and developing players! Way better than a veteran player lover or a party animal coach.

  35. Ray Heinly Says:

    The Bucs last two drafts have very good. There is one other consistence with the last two drafts…….Greg Schiano has been head coach. Not saying I believe he should continue as head coach. But I’m fairly certain Dominick doesn’t make draft selections in a vacuum. As far has O talent level I’m with S King. M Williams an average #2 and VJac very good but can’t take the top off the defence.

  36. crazy Says:

    Not gonna happen. Like it or not, the Bucs brain-trust is trying to bring a winning version of moneyball to the NFL. Finding diamonds among the undrafted, waiver wire, practice squad, mighty mites, or orthopedic surgery dependent is OK for a player or two but not the best way to build a first team roster. As others have been saying there are a lot of holes on this roster that need to be filled before any HC or QB is gonna lead this team to the playoffs. As long as the team produces an acceptable profit to ownership I wouldn’t expect much to change.

  37. PRBucFan Says:

    Good God what a joke of a man.

    Things aren’t pessimistic enough?

    80% is too low he wants 100% of fans to jump off the bridge.

    LoL Too funny

  38. AK Says:

    @bucsfan13 I agree.

    @prbucfan lol AMEN!!! Didn’t Shaun want us to give Joshie poo a longterm extension last year? and he also DEMANDED Schiano be fired “immediately” when Joshie’s medical records were “leaked”, because , of course, there was no way it could’ve come from Josh’s “camp”.

  39. bucsfan13 Says:

    Dueschmeg was the same way with that crap. Freeman would never sabotoge himself! not!

  40. AK Says:

    LMAO! Of course not, never would he do that to win the court of public opinion and end up getting cut, WITH PAY…and then get paid by the Vikes $166,667 per game (figure was in the TBT) to be inactive. Poor Joshie, lets hold a candlelight vigil for him

  41. Tampabaybucfan Says:

    @ PR

    The pessimisim is rampant….sometimes overwhelming… built to a crescendo during the Freeman meltsown…then subsided a bit with the win streak…now its back.

    I’m close to hoping Schiano gets fired just so we can have some relief for a while….at least with a new coach, fans will hold off their criticism for a while…but what if the new coach doesn’t pan out?….back to the barrage of negatism.

    Warning to Schiano haters….be very careful what you wish for…the Glazers track record isn’t very good for their coaching decisions…..”The Devil you know”

  42. dan Says:

    Bucsfan131… I’m with ya 100%!!!

  43. Tampabaybucfan Says:

    Here is what I would do if I were the Glazers:

    Keep Schiano (tell him to lay off the offense or he can walk)
    Hire a top notch OC
    Instruct Dominick to Rebuild the O-line mainly through the draft
    Trade down in round 1 and pick up an extra 2nd or a 3rd round pick
    Trade Rainey for a pick
    Select TE/OL first 4 selections
    Restructure or cut Nicks, Joseph, Penn
    Spend the additional and remaining cap on WR/DE/CB

    Let Schiano know that if he fails he will be fired in mid-season and replaced by the new OC

    Let Schiano know that you are only advocating competion at every position like he does…..and that includes competition at HC.

  44. BUC4LYFE Says:


    you call the one winning season we’ve had since gruden was here a fluke? Is that your way of trying to deny the fact that raheem morris has a better record and better coaching skills than greg schiano WITH LESS TALENT….every team in the nfl has injuries……patriots beat us with rookie recievers not because of brady but how stupid the scheme was and choosing to back off them instead of man pressing inexperierenced receivers…..atlanta had one reciever he’s done nothign since he played up catch almost 150 yards on us in a half….jets rookie qb let comeback victory….dumb coaching lead to saints beating us the first game because regardless of how good freeman was playing against the saints and the jets he took the ball out of his hands then turned about and blamed him for the loss……theres no accountability from greg schiano….you send your smallest best weapon on offense on freaking go routes, thats what they came up with in an entire offense…to get their starting running back hurt on a pass play downfield no on a run play just stupidity and hitting the reset button isnt always a bad thing…we’ve taken 5 years of losing but teams are turning around their franchise in one single year but give schiano another year to do what….we’ll almost surely have a new offensive coordinator this year, why do we need schiano for glennon to continue to develop

  45. ctord Says:

    “the cupboard is hardly empty” 4-11 says different. the offense is terrible and if we have talent I am not seeing it. where are the play makers? Hate to say it but this team stuggles to get over 17 points when healthy. I agree with King and have agreed with him since the start of the season. I am a bucs fan and I demand more out of this product. where is the talent on offense? Quarterback, no, running back, ? maybe, martin has two good games, wide recievers vinny jackson and then what, TE serious we do not have a TE. O-line they did better last year without the studs. The Defense has talent. 18.1 points per game is not a talented offense.

  46. PRBucFan Says:

    Plenty of talented teams have lost because of the systems they play in being sub-par.

    I like Schiano but I cannot look past his refusal to change an offense that simply does not work.

    I’m ready for change.

    I do not however want to loose the transformation our D has been having the past 2 seasons. Nor his eye for talent.

    Something has got to give

  47. bucsfan13 Says:

    Look no farther than the Falcons to see that one or two injuries two an offense can submarine the whole thing. They lost their two wide receivers and the offense looked lost. they went from superbowl contenders to one of the worse teams in the league! Just saying injuries make a difference….especially to key players!

  48. Oil Derrick Brooks Says:

    “No, it is really Dominik and the Glazers that are satisfied with mediocrity apparently. ”

    This. 28-51. Clear house. New football VP hires GM and they hire the coach.

  49. Mr. Patrick Says:

    For the very first time I agree with Sean King. After being a Bucs fan since 1976, I have seen all of the highs and lows. I remember al of the Division titles, NFC Championship games and the Superbowl. This is one of the lowest periods that I can remember. Dungy was fired after going to the NFC Championship game twice, Gruden was fired after two consecutive 9-7 seasons and winning a Superbowl. So how does Schiano get a pass sitting at 4-11? Have the Glazer’s standards dropped that far? And the Bucs fans too? Personally, I want the Championship days again, and this is not the regime to accomplish that. It’s time for he Glazers to step up and show that they want to be winners again

  50. WalkdaPlank Says:

    @BUC4LYFE – Yes, in fact 2010 was nothing but a fluke. We got 9 wins against 8 losing teams and 1 win against the Saints. Every time we played a winning team, we lost (Ravens, Saints once, Falcons twice, etc.). The next season we go 4-12 and the defense quits on us. Josh Freeman, who had previously thrown 25 TD’s and only 6 INT’s, had a complete meltdown in 2011. LeGarrette Blount supplanted Caddy in 2010, got the starting gig from Day 1 in 2011 and went on to have a horrible season. The Bucs best receiver was Dezmon Briscoe, DEZMON BRISCOE FOR CRYING OUT LOUD! And again, the defense QUIT! If 2010 wasn’t a fluke, the Bucs would have been in the playoff hunt in 2011, and you can’t blame it on injuries they were a helluva lot more healthy than these Bucs. It’s not a shot at Rah, it’s not in defense of Schiano. It’s just a plain and simple fact. The Bucs have been rebuilding since they fired Gruden.

  51. Destinjohnny Says:

    I love Sk takes- he can be a bit arrogant but overall he is spot on- you can tell when your team is becoming a machine when their 2nd string in the pre season kicks the crap out of people-yes there is some talent but do we have one o lineman that is great? Tight end? We had to sign a free agent cause superstar only drafted on worth a crap in his tenure- I would actually like to see coach Schinno become the gm

  52. Nickellbag Says:

    The irony is he was too lazy as a starting QB to keep his job now we’re supposed accept his “expert” analysis.

  53. ctord Says:

    @bucsfan13, problem with that logic is the bucs were not good with full health. Also, maybe the falcons were primed for a fall because I don’t see the key injuries. I see one major injury and an aging team that has run its course. The bucs have not been relevant for a while now. I would also take Julio and roddy over the receivers we have any day of the week. We need play makers on offense and it starts at quarterback.

  54. Couch Fan Says:

    @BUC4LYFE – Yes, in fact 2010 was nothing but a fluke. We got 9 wins against 8 losing teams and 1 win against the Saints.


    Completely agree. We were putrid for 3 quarters of every game and only made 4th Qtr. comebacks against crappy teams that year. Even the bad teams whipped us for 3 qts. It was ugly and sad.

  55. Couch Fan Says:

    And to add to that^^^

    If we managed to make the playoffs that year, we would of got blown the F**k out the first round. We weren’t a good team.

  56. Rob Says:

    “Not gonna happen. Like it or not, the Bucs brain-trust is trying to bring a winning version of moneyball to the NFL. Finding diamonds among the undrafted, waiver wire, practice squad, mighty mites, or orthopedic surgery dependent is OK for a player or two but not the best way to build a first team roster”

    Right. Never mind massive free agent contracts for Nicks, Jackson, Goldson, and Revis. Never mind the blue-chip first rounders they’ve added like McCoy, David, Barron, and Martin…. fact is you don’t get 5 first rounders every year (unless you’re St. Louis), so yes, you have to fill out a roster with free agents and practice squad guys and waiver wire pick-ups, especially when you have like 15 guys on IR.

  57. Mr. Patrick Says:

    Every team in the NFL has many good players on their rosters and on IR. And that’s where coaching and game management come into play. And 4-11 says how good that is for the Bucs. Plus if you look at the names on IR for the Bucs, a lot of those guys weren’t going to be on the roster any way

  58. biggun Says:

    Tampa market does not draw huge FA talent unless they’re hurt and or over compensated… said this for years what talent we’ve ever had was through the draft and have to try and hold on to them, lok at the major markets as a whole and those teams have access to better FA. Lets look back at Bengals, Lewis was catching hell every year and finally thru the draft and then finally some winning seasons their FA stock has risen 6 years ago Lewis was on a banana peel, today not going anywhere… but they need to advance deeper somenthe FA will still consider them because no draft help when u winning unless u get lucky and talent falls into your pick position. So I say let Schiano stick. Falcons had to build also look at their window closing quickly….

  59. mpmalloy Says:

    Falcons had to build also look at their window closing quickly….

    That window has slammed shut on their fingers.
    But on the bright side they still have Trueblood.

  60. MTM Says:

    I agree with King. The fan apathy has to stop and all the fans that say the Glazers will just move the team if they stop showing up to games is horsesh*t. The television contracts pay the bills. I’m not scared of the Glazers taking this sh*tty product elsewhere. Who in the hell would want to take on a laughing stock franchise, approve a billion dollar stadium.

    Then hope that the same ownership that has ran the franchise into the ground will some how make it work. The Glazers at this point are the problem. The wait and see attitude is ridiculous and why would anybody in their right mind sign Schiano for 5yrs with zero NFL experience. Really??