Schiano Is Delusional

October 15th, 2013

“I don’t care what the scoreboard says. We had you on the ropes there, Bill.”

Joe’s getting worried about Greg Schiano. The man is delusional.

After a Bucs’ 3-and-out and punt from the Tampa Bay 10 yard line Sunday, the Eagles had the ball with 8:03 remaining in the fourth quarter leading 28-20.

The Eagles proceeded to run the ball 11 consecutive times up the gut of the Bucs’ defense — 11 in a row! — to set up the game-icing field goal with 2:34 on the clock. The Bucs’ hurry-up offense then managed one first down before turning the ball over on downs and the Eagles lined up in victory formation.

Yet somehow, Schiano believes the Bucs “had an opportunity to win” that game.

Schiano made this claim on the Buccaneers Radio Network last night on WDAE-AM 620. What was even scarier to Joe was Schaino also claiming the Bucs were in the same boat in New England, where they were blown out 23-3.

“There’s no panic. We understand that, you know, there’s a lot of things that have gone on in these five games and, you know, with everything that’s happening, we believe that as a staff, we firmly believe that, you know, we had an opportunity to win all five of those football games,” Schiano said. “And you know what, we need to keep going, need to keep the players continuing to grow and get better. That’s why we practice. That’s why we meet and walk-through. And as we do that, we’re going to start winning. And when we do, we’re going to keep winning.”

Again, it’s stunning to Joe that Schiano believes the Bucs were close to beating the Eagles or Patriots. Keep in mind Bill Belicheat didn’t kick a field goal or try for a touchdown late in the fourth quarter against the Bucs, opting to hand the ball off to LeGarrette Blount on 4th-and-6 from the Bucs’ 11 yard line. That was a gift to Schiano.

As Jonathan Casillas detailed to Joe on Sunday, “It’s easy to put together a three quarter game, you know a lot of people can do that.”

Schiano believing the Bucs are competitive when they’re not is downright scary.

169 Responses to “Schiano Is Delusional”

  1. Tampabaybuctfan Says:

    Joe…..there is a key missing element……Schiano didn’t say “when” we had an opportunity to win….he didn’t say “at the end”……Surely down 23-3 he didn’t mean at that point we had an opportunity to win.. Again, putting thoughts & words in his mouth that weren’t there. I’m not defending his record….just the statement.

    Nobody put words in Schiano’s mouth, and Joe’s getting tired of your annoying comments. Schiano’s message is crystal clear. –Joe

  2. lightningbuc Says:

    Considering the goings on here on JBF lately, I’m beginning to think the Joes are delusional. Look, I’ve already said I’m no longer a fan of Schiano, but Good Lord, the Joes are picking apart every statement he says. The guy can’t say he cares more than a typcial fan without getting roasted by Joes. Now he can’t say the Bucs had a chance to win their games?

  3. Young buc Says:

    Lol schiano lol

  4. MovieBob Says:

    The Bucs always have a chance to win. It’s called the coin toss.

  5. Bucfan#37 Says:

    Yeah, I remembered grimacing while watching the pats game as Belicheat rolled it up instead of scoring more at the end. It was a sickening show of sympathy for Schiano.

  6. SteveK Says:

    Schiano is doing his best, this team just isn’t very good right now.

    Blame Dominick, he is the head clown of this circus.

    It would be delusional to just blame Schiano.

    Surely, the great football blogging minds can see this problem starts with the GM. The same GM who is 24-41, with 10 of those wins coming in 2010.

    We have won 11 games since the 2011 season. In that time we have gone 11-26. How is Dominick a “rock star” again? Delusional nicknaming is what is up.

  7. ATLBucsFan Says:

    I agree with Tampabaybucfan. His comments were not framed around any specific timeframe in the game. Unless of course the question asked was related to specific points in the game (i.e., 4th quarter).

  8. PRBucFan Says:

    Joe is getting quite skilled at setting that bait and stoking that fire lol.

  9. SteveK Says:

    Look no further than Mark Dominick.

    24-41 as our “Rock Star” GM, and our HC is still to blame?

    We are not run well, from the GM on down.

    Schiano may not be the answer, and it is foolish to saddle him with all of the blame of our GM’s inepetitude.

    This team is a laughing stock.

  10. Macabee Says:

    Of course Schiano is delusional. He even made the Eagles paranoid!

  11. BigMacAttack Says:

    Hey Jon, this is Joel and Bryan. We’re sorry about how things went down before and we know you like your MNF gig.

    Jimminy Christmas, cut to the freakin chase already, I got film to look at with my brother on the Skypervision.

    Ok, ok, we’ll give you $10Mil a year.

    Including this year?

    Yea sure, anything, name it.

    Alrighty then, I’ll see you at 3:15 sharp in the morning.

  12. Eric Says:

    He might have been hit on the “noggin”. Must have been a hard one cause he seems to have a very thick one.

    Six points five second halfs? NO tds by the offense at all in second half.

    Thats hard to do. Would think we’d get a lucky bust in coverage or something. Or a late meaningless td while they are in the prevent.

    Nope. Nada. Mindboggling.

  13. Vic Says:

    The coach reflecting back on those five games and thinking he had an opportunity to win against the Eagles and Patriots is troubling at best. You nailed this Joe. Schiano is not thinking straight.

  14. Eric Says:

    nice one bigmac.

  15. ShutTheBucUp Says:

    Agreed. Schiano’s comments don’t seem delusional. He doesn’t specify WHEN they had the opportunity win the games.

    I think whats delusional is the fact people want to blow everything up and start over. Give him til the end of the season. See if he can turn the team around and navigate this legal mess the team is in. No good head coaching candidate is going to swoop in and try to be the hero for Tampa. If we have a losing record at the end of the year, bounce him back to college and hire someone who can work with the talent on this team. The playoffs are a pipe dream at this point, but the season still has meaning.

  16. Kennedy Says:

    Dont shoot the messenger (Joe). … I can’t believe I actually miss the straight-talking, stats-are-for-losers Raheem mentality. Schiano needs to have his “yes” men tell him how crappy this team is.

  17. trusomaroff Says:

    I’m kind of confused… We did have a chance to win that game. I don’t get what’s wrong with what he’s saying other then we had a chance in all 5. It was only 4 not 5.

  18. Keith Says:

    Schiano is playing in fairyland if he thinks the Bucs got anything other than their clocks cleaned by the Eagles, from the Eagles’ opening play (a 40 yard screen) to getting the ball run down their throat by Philly as Joe described above in the fourth quarter. The coach is delusional.

  19. Keith Says:

    @trusomaroff — When did the Bucs have a chance to win? The got their asses kicked in the second half at home and lost going away. … Where do you people learn about football?

  20. Eric Says:

    Heck even the 76 team scored two touchdowns in the second half of the very first five games the team ever played.

    And that is widely considered the worst offensive team ever to play in the NFL.

    Something is bad wrong.

  21. Bobby Says:

    Joe, either you have an agenda or you have trouble understanding what people say. Joe has no agenda or trouble understanding anything. –Joe

    You are constantly putting your spin on what someone says as if you have to decipher the hidden meaning in everything. We DID have opportunities to win. HOlding penalties that took back big plays on key downs. An interception when we were driving toward the redzone. Why is it that you twist the meaning of words when we can read it and know exactly what he meant? Yes, we had opportunites to win that game but poor execution cost us. If you can’t see that then you need glasses.

    It’s ironic that you claim to know exactly what Schiano meant.–Joe

  22. Walter Says:

    At least the offense looked improved, now the key is to get the offense and defense to play well at the same time.

  23. BigMacAttack Says:

    Little Hitler isn’t delusional. He’s a DUMBA$$!

    He should have taken a play out of Tom Coughlin’s playbook and changed his ways. Instead he took the whole playbook, tore out the page that matters, and continues to lose with a system that doesn’t work.

    I was really hoping the Glazers would have made an announcement by now, but I was wrong again. Go Figure.

    Schiano probably isn’t a bad coach, just not a smart coach, or coach that is ready for the NFL. He isn’t the first or the last. Nothing to be ashamed of, but time to move on.

    Schiano was definitely promoted to his level of incompetence.

    I’m with the Commish too on the coaches comments yesterday about the fans and leaving or being welcomed back. What a stupid and insulting thing to say. Look Prick, we are the hard core fans. We were here long before you and will be here long after you. We’re not leaving. You’re the one that is leaving. I say again, DUMBA$$.

  24. SteveK Says:

    What a brilliant GM we have calling the shots.

    Schiano may get the axe, but so should our GM.

  25. IamTheOne Says:

    We have a chance to win every game.

    Unfortunately the chances are diminished when you are not able to adjust to the situation at hand.
    See the second half stats.

    I do not know what the best football decision is. I am not that smart.

    I do know right from wrong. This guy has become a cancer to the team.

    I think everyone thought / thinks they have the talent to do better than they have and should have a better record than there is here in Tampa.

    As Schiano said its performance based, fire him now, get it over, clear the cancer, promote some underling coach, maybe wanstat (sp?) I don’t care. This run is done. Lets gets the windows open let some sunshine in on this virus ridden pit of despair.

    He simply is not flexible enough to adjust, well anything.

    It seems he believes in himself to a fault.

  26. BigMacAttack Says:

    And take your poor excuse for an offensive coordinator witcha.

    Trade Davin Joseph while you can still get value for him. Trade Mike Williams too. He is over-rated and will also garner a good pick. See what you can get for DaQuan Bowers and if it is a 4’th or better, do that too.

    Why is Gibson on the team? This guy sucks and has hardly an ounce of ability left.

    This team has a chemistry problem with players, coaches and the whole freakin shootin match.

  27. BigMacAttack Says:

    And if I ever hear the word Rutgers again, it will be too soon.

    The word Rutgers is to be stricken from the record, history, planet. So it shall be written, so it shall be done.

  28. Buc1987 Says:

    What’s delusional is fans that think Schiano will be fired before the end of the season.

  29. TheRealVince Says:

    I didn’t want to say this because initially I liked when coach got hired and the toughness aspect he brought to the team, specifically the defense but now I can’t stand begind him anymore. Im sorry but he has to go, I see no improvement in this team from week on till now.

  30. TheRealVince Says:

    Comment fail…..I can’t stand behind him anymore. I see no improvement in this team from week ONE till now.

  31. PRBucFan Says:

    Lets trade out entire team away while we are at it!!!

    Cause one Miami Marlins franchise isn’t enough to have in Florida lol.

  32. Justin Says:

    I wouldn’t say its delusional. We’ve had opportunities in every game to win. We just have made the big plays. Not once.

    VJ got run down by a LB in the NYJ game. Plus the LD penalty.

    Lindell missed kick in NO game.

    Tim Wright missed TD. VJ drop on the slant (probably a TD) against NE. Both in first quarter. Game would have been waaaaay different.

    Offensive meltdown late game vs ARZ.

    Coverage busts on two PHI TDs to desean jackson.

    Yes, this stuff should be cleaned up by now considering we are in the 21st game running this defense. And that’s on our coaching.

    I’m not one to agree with Coach, but I’d agree with him all five of the games were made to be had. We’ve failed at grabbing a hold every time.

    To say Schiano thought we could win a game down 23-3 in NE late 4th q is wrong.

  33. jb Says:

    Bobby Says:
    October 15th, 2013 at 12:57 pm

    Joe, either you have an agenda or you have trouble understanding what people say. Joe has no agenda or trouble understanding anything. –Joe

    You are constantly putting your spin on what someone says as if you have to decipher the hidden meaning in everything. We DID have opportunities to win. HOlding penalties that took back big plays on key downs. An interception when we were driving toward the redzone. Why is it that you twist the meaning of words when we can read it and know exactly what he meant? Yes, we had opportunites to win that game but poor execution cost us. If you can’t see that then you need glasses.

    It’s ironic that you claim to know exactly what Schiano meant.–Joe

    Hey Bobby, why don’t you post somehwere else, you and your alter-ego PRBucFan, give us grief for bitching about pathetic coaching, yet you all stick up for him with every post. Are you even a BUC fan? Give the rest of us a break and take your act over to a Falcons or Saints site, and leave the real BUC fans alone.

    I mean…EVERY post you and your cupcake make here is either trying to spin what a fine job Schiano & Dominick are doing, or giving one of us grief for being a fan of this team…not to mention the constant insults.

    Take your lame act somewhere else!

    Hey Joe, can’t you keep these jokers from trying to insult the rest of us with their ignorance?

  34. jb Says:

    PRBucFan Says:
    October 15th, 2013 at 1:23 pm

    Lets trade out entire team away while we are at it!!!

    Cause one Miami Marlins franchise isn’t enough to have in Florida lol.

    ANOTHER brilliant post by PRLoser.

    Hey Joe, when are you gonna do something about these Non Fans?

  35. Andrew 1 Says:

    we did have a chance to win the game. if the defense would have made a stop without giving up any points on the eagles last possession when the game was 28-20, then we could have driven down the field to score a touchdown and two point conversion and tied the game. after that anything possible, and it definatly would have given us a more realistic shot at winning the game.

  36. Bobby Says:

    @jb…..please dude. You are the LAST person on this board I would address. You have no football knowledge or credibility with me so I don’t waste my time.

  37. Andrew 1 Says:

    the patriots game… not so much.

  38. Patrickbucs Says:

    Really hope some good news comes out soon about the Bucs, anything positive man.

  39. Givemeball Says:

    Wow joe!!! Do you even know anything about football??? Of course we had a chance to win all 5 games. And I want a coach who believes that. Are you saying he should have took a knee after Philly kicked the field goal??

  40. d-money Says:

    The Bucs aboslutely had a chance to win the Eagles game so I’m not sure why you think its’ scary that he thought they did…the Patriots game … that is a different story.

    Now, I think this guy is in way over his head and think he needs to go but i’m not sure what you want him to say? He’s the head coach he has to project an image of confidence…Even if it makes him sound like he’s dillusional.

  41. Givemeball Says:

    Patrickbucs: you are the wrong site if you are looking for something positive. If we were 5 and 0 Joe would find something to complain about .

  42. jb Says:


    Positive? Name one POSITIVE about the job Schiano is doing, JUST ONE!

    We’ll wait.

  43. Mark-O Says:

    Joe, the Bucs were competitive in all games except New England. To say otherwise is untrue. By the way, how many TRUE, current PRO BOWLERs do the BUCS have – 4 from 2012, McCoy, VJax, Goldson and D Martin, and D Marion who was a late add – only Goldson was a starter – to include all the others as Pro Bowlers because once upon a time they made a Pro Bowl is nonsense. Seriously, does anyone believe in 2012 or 2013 that Penn, Joseph, Nicks, are really Pro Bowlers c’mon – but by saying they are all Pro Bowlers in helps the anti-Schiano, he can’t win with Pro Bowlers narrative. So misleading…

    Dominik was out there front and center multiple times this offseason reminding fans, educating fans that this custom-built roster has eight Pro Bowlers 30 and younger. Joe didn’t pull this out of thin air. –Joe

  44. PRBucFan Says:

    @jb…..please dude. You are the LAST person on this board I would address. You have no football knowledge or credibility with me so I don’t waste my time.

    EXACTLY Bobby ahahaha, all 10+ of his sorry ass usernames lol

  45. lightningbuc Says:

    Name one POSITIVE about the job Schiano is doing, JUST ONE!



    He’s pissing off you and your know-it-all buddy Second Mate Tim!

  46. PRBucFan Says:

    Never heard of someone being so butt hurt


  47. Givemeball Says:

    That’s easy!!! Draft picks and defense!!!

  48. Hawaiian Buc Says:

    Look, when you lose a game you should win once or twice in a season, you can chalk that up as part of life in the NFL. Everybody loses games they probably should (or at least could) win. However, when you lose ALL of those games, something is wrong. Blame the GM all you want (he is not blameless), but I’m sorry Schiano jock holders, that’s coaching. Spin it and blame others all you want, it doesn’t change facts. I guess as long as we are competitive, that’s good enough for you.

  49. SteveK Says:


    Our player’s don’t loaf on defense any more, and we avoid cool/fake words such as “youngry”.

    That is all.

  50. PRBucFan Says:

    I realized though that he honestly must be a child, so It’s whatever.

    Can’t be too hard on Free’s ball boy.

    Kids will be kids

  51. Hawaiian Buc Says:

    Some of you guys are going to throw a party if we finally get lucky and beat someone. You’ll be voting your favorite coach as coach of the year.

  52. jb Says:

    SteveK Says:
    October 15th, 2013 at 1:53 pm


    Our player’s don’t loaf on defense any more, and we avoid cool/fake words such as “youngry”.

    That is all.
    That’s good!
    But we haven’t given him enough time to make up any new words…lol

    As far as the defense goes, you’re right, it is better, but at this point I’m not gonna believe for a second that Schiano is the main reason for it.

  53. Eric Says:

    Ok so we had a chance to win every game.

    So what? We didn’t.

    NFL games are designed to be close. Its nothing to take great pride in. NFL coaches are paid to win close games. Ours can’t.

    Were supposed to be lasting contenders on a run for the playoffs and were bragging about being in every game? Please. That MIGHT work for an expansion team, which were not.

    six points in second half of five NFl games? When they have changed the rules around to favor the offenses and everyone else is lighting it up?

    Please. Its absolutely pathetic. Total laughing stock

  54. Bobby Says:

    Maybe jb stands for ‘Justin Bieber’…….?

  55. McBuc Says:

    jB. I hear the lingiuini and clam sauce is outstanding, Nd the dining hall has a perfect temperature fir eatng.

    I am shicked that anyone defends shiano. This clown needs to go.

  56. jb Says:

    PRBucFan Says:
    October 15th, 2013 at 1:49 pm

    @jb…..please dude. You are the LAST person on this board I would address. You have no football knowledge or credibility with me so I don’t waste my time.

    EXACTLY Bobby ahahaha, all 10+ of his sorry ass usernames lol

    Then why in hell are you addressing me? Are you REALLY that stupid?

    Evidently so. Do you actually think ANYONE HERE gives a crap about having credibility with a loser such as yourself?

  57. jb Says:

    Bobby Says:
    October 15th, 2013 at 2:02 pm

    Maybe jb stands for ‘Justin Bieber’…….?

    This was as ridiculous as your other posts about what a great job the current staff is doing and what terrible fans we are for actually expecting more than the embarrassment they’ve given us.

    You poor dizzy ba$tards. lol

  58. Hawaiian Buc Says:

    4 pro Bowlers from 2012 is also very misleading. Revis is a pro bowler all day every day. David should have been last year, and if he doesn’t this year it’s because we are so horrible. Barron had been playing at a pro Bowl level, minus last game where he appeared to be trying to do too much (which usually happens when you are losing). And who is to say that the reason our offensive players aren’t playing well doesn’t have something to do with coaching. As shocking as this may be, running the mighty Rutgers offense doesn’t exactly set you up for a lot of success. I think the problem may be that we don’t have enough Rutgers players or coaches. Just a few more and we’d be on a Super Bowl run. I for one think we should be more patient. Let’s give Schiano some more time and maybe he can figure out how to win a game. If not, we’ll have so many #1 picks. He promised me we are going to win, so it must be true. We thought it was Freeman’s fault, but we were mistaken. As soon as we figure out who is to blame, Schiano is going to rule the NFL world. I have lots of faith.

  59. JonBuc Says:

    Every day….in every way…Schiano sounds a little dumber. Or is it more dumb? His stupidity is spreading like MRSA!

  60. jb Says:

    @ McBuc,

    Didn’t you hear?
    He’s doing a fine job and there’s no reason whatsoever to criticize Schiano.
    Just ask Bobby and his cupcake PRBucFan.

    They’ll explain it at great deal how wrong we are while insulting you along the way to try and make themselves feel better about being so incredibly stupid.


  61. Hawaiian Buc Says:

    Notice how none of Schiano’s defenders can do anything but criticize and blame others. Its not his fault for losing every close game he’s ever been in. Is not his fault for the Freeman debacle. Its not his fault for getting rid of players that can play because they weren’t “Buccaneer men”. Its not his fault we run the Rutgers offense and we couldn’t score on the University of Hawaii in the second half. Its not his fault we pay a CB $1M per game to play off zone, when EJ Biggers played press man with no help last year. Its not his fault the players are grumbling. Nothing is his fault. He’s doing fantastic, right? We’re going to get that top pick everyone covets, so that’s just wonderful. All part of the plan.

  62. Eric Says:

    Maybe somebody will fumble at their one yard line and we can punch it in for a score in the second half.

    looks like the only way it might happen.

    I guess our defense, with that interception return, has actually scored more points than our offense in the damn second half this year.

    And its little things? What????????????

  63. Buc1987 Says:

    11 more weeks to go of fans bitching about Schiano.

  64. PRBucFan Says:

    “LMAO”!!!! over and over and over and over seems to be all the boy can..

    I guess that entertains him enough, doesn’t take much to entertain a child though.

  65. PRBucFan Says:


    Keep at it though, his fragile feelings that are still butt hurt about Freeman getting booted out by the big ole meanie Schiano are getting worked up more and more every day.

  66. jb Says:

    @ Hawaiian Buc,
    No chit, Just ask Bobby and his Cupcake, it was all Freeman. Oh, and haven’t you heard Mike Glennon’s gonna be the quarterback to take us to our next Super Bowl.
    Homers… delusional as the head coach they worship. LMAO

  67. PRBucFan Says:

    Got to nothing intelligent to say so you just make up shiite.


    Dumb Ass

    BTW Hawaiian is one of the posters here that knows the truth, and has had numerous discussions with us to know the BS your spew is exactly that BS.
    Don’t act like he’ll go along with it bj or whatever lame ass username you’ve used in the past.

  68. PRBucFan Says:

    Can’t expect anything less from Freeman’s number 1 butt hurt ball boy though.

  69. jb Says:

    PRBucFan Says:
    October 15th, 2013 at 2:45 pm

    Got to nothing intelligent to say so you just make up shiite.


    Dumb Ass

    BTW Hawaiian is one of the posters here that knows the truth, and has had numerous discussions with us to know the BS your spew is exactly that BS.
    Don’t act like he’ll go along with it bj or whatever lame ass username you’ve used in the past.
    What truth would that be? That you’re a 18 year old frustrated transvestite that has to get their jollies by criticizing and insulting people on the internet?


    You started this chit with your insults, but you want to keep it up be my guest.

  70. Couch Fan Says:

    We lost by 8 points. Of course we had an chance to win.

  71. BFFL Says:

    If Underwood doesn’t cut off his route short and the OL didn’t hold then yes I think Schiano is justified in saying the Bucs had a chance. I don’t see how this makes Schiano delusional. Actually, a better example of Delusional is the local media (yes you too Joe). Somehow they always let Dominick off the hook. I also did not appreciate being called part of the “Glennon mob” with a negative connotation just because I thought it was obvious that Glennon looked much better then Freeman. Wake up’re starting to make an idiot of yourself when you sound so much like that DELUSIONAL radio host that calls himself “the big dog”. It’s obvious he only criticizes those players or coaches that refuse to go on his show. That’s right..he has an agenda against Schiano to deflect blame from Dominick who he is buddies with. The Bucs need to follow what the Jets and KC did..FIRE THE DAMN GM.

  72. PRBucFan Says:

    That the best you got kido 🙁

    Keep trying ball boy

  73. BuccaneerBonzai Says:

    I thought the Bucs did have a chance to beat the eagles. They just blew it in the second half.

    I also thought Glennon choked.

  74. PRBucFan Says:

    Your desperation and frustration comes through more and more with every post.

    “18 year old frustrated transvestite”

    I wouldn’t even give you that much credit.. lol SMH

  75. Buccaneer79 Says:

    Some people think that Freeman was one leading this team in the same direction it’s going, which we will never know because he was benched & cut. When Schiano is asked about when it went wrong after he gets fired, his answer will not be the whole truth; it will be vague, or perhaps, even dismissed. Freeman will get his chance to answer all the haters, though, and he won’t have to say much. This season was over on September 25, but who really thinks the Bucs had an opportunity to win more than 5 games after that? Hey, who thinks they can win 3 now? Which games? St. Louis? They just killed the Texans. Who is Tampa Bay going to beat? I can’t even see 3 wins.

    Well, Greg, you will have your chances to prove your worthy, but as if you didn’t already lower your odds enough with the Freeman fiasco, now it’s tougher since the “easy” part of the schedule is done. You wanted it in your hands & the hands of a rookie, who will get a pass because he’s a rookie. Dominik can’t save you; all he can do is watch the ax fall. Seriously, who’s he gonna bring in to help the team win? It’s had the feel of 2011, this season. It’s sad but true.

    Just go beat an angry Falcons team at their house! Do it! Yeah, right!

  76. BigMacAttack Says:

    I’m as big a Buc Fan as any here, but really, this guy has to go. It may not be his fault but it sure is his responsibility. If there are still a few of you guys that believe in Schiano, you are better men than me. I don’t blame you guys, hell I admire your patience. I’m just over it, and him, and Dom should be put in another position other than GM. Dom has hit some home runs but when you look at Dom’s overall draft record it is a Failure. I love the guy but I have to face the facts as big of a homer as I am. Now Shittiano on the other hand can’t do anything right. It says they are top 16 defense but who are they kidding. This defense with these players should easily be top 10 or better. Everywhere you look this team is underachieving, and the worst part is how blase the Coaches are about it.

    We have to do better, I have to do better, excuse after excuse and still the same crap. This Coach is a loser’s loser. He says he is not used to losing, but what did the College I refuse to say the name of ever win? Nothing, Scchiano has never won anything.

    And who is the Secondary coach? This guy sucks too and can’t get his players in the right spots to make a play. You know D Jackson is a burner, and you let him run free with no extra help, or safeties out of position. They cut Ahmad Black and blamed him, now what? They going to cut Barron next? Really?

    Watching Shittiano destroy this team feels like someone taking a whack at one of your kids. I take it personal and I’m sure most of you do too.

    ATL can sit Roddy and Steven, with Julio out and Matty Ice will still score 4 TDs and of course the Bucs will score 21 pts, and the HC will say “Our Offense looked better. I saw some good things, ut we still aren’t putting it all together. Either we aren’t coaching well enough or the players aren’t understanding it. Either way we have to, I have to do a better job.”

    Ya Think??? How much longer do we listen to the same old song and dance. I’d rather listen to Metallica and watch the Lightning. But I’ll be back for the next home game, continue to take my licks, and drive home pi$$ed off week in and week out.

  77. BigMacAttack Says:

    We lost by 11 pts. Really???

  78. PRBucFan Says:

    Freeman had 50+ games to “prove all his haters wrong”.

  79. BigMacAttack Says:

    I don’t care about Freeman, but Shittiano did nothing to help Freeman. He was unable to motivate Freeman or channel his energy in the right direction. Josh is a grown man and responsible for his actions but the HC is culpable too. He didn’t once think to put Josh in a system that would enhance and cater to his strengths. We all saw Josh under Olson in 2010′ and the dude could play. It is a coach’s duty to find that inner player and bring it out. All this head coach brings out is garbage and excuses, and more excuses, and contempt, and a bad attitude after he loses because he sucks.

    The Commish said he has never seen a fan base so united on removing a coach. And the Glazers do nothing. This has to be eating them up and I hope they don’t blame us and eventually move our team.

  80. BigMacAttack Says:

    Awaiting moderation???? Huh???

    Sorry Joe, just not feeling it with this coach.

  81. BuccaneerBonzai Says:

    Buccaneer79 Says

    PRBucFan Says
    “Freeman had 50+ games to “prove all his haters wrong”.”

    Freeman is going to be the Vikings answer to QB. He might start rusty there (doubt it) but he’ll be considered elite within 2 years there.

    During the time here the only time he was used properly was 2010. Not an excuse. Fact. After that he was forbidden to use his strengths.

  82. PRBucFan Says:

    I’m glad you think that Bonzai

    I’ve been waiting a while for him to prove me wrong.

    Still Am

    I frankly wouldn’t give a rats what he does though now. What he does in another teams jersey doesn’t change what he didn’t do here.

    We will see though, it’s nice you have faith in him.

    Your not an unreasonable Freemanite like some.

  83. SteveK Says:

    Freeman= elite in 2 years or less.


    Thanks for the laugh Bonzai.

    Go get his Barney Jersey.

  84. jb Says:

    PRBucFan Says:
    October 15th, 2013 at 3:20 pm

    “You started this chit with your insults, but you want to keep it up be my guest.”

    The big bad BJ is so so scary, i’m frightened at the thought of what he may do next from behind his big bad keyboard.


    Keep being the victim while you cry hysterically about how that big ole meanie Schiano got rid of Freeman.
    You are one confused child, aren’t you. Keep running on & on about Freeman. YOU are the only one bringing Freeman up! I thought he should go too. I just didn’t agree with the way Schiano handled it. Did that feel like ice cubes in your diaper or something?
    For Godsake kid…move on, and quit insulting anyone that doesn’t agree with your ridiculous homerism.

  85. SteveK Says:


    Making 26m dollars over the past 5 years wasn’t enough motivation for JF5?

    500k every Sunday isn’t motivating?

    The real problem started with Mark Dominick’s trade up in the 1st round of the 2009 draft. We reached on a project QB who never developed. The same QB showed no signs of leadership, desire to improve, and not even the respect to be with his teammates for meetings, traveling, camps and meals.

  86. SteveK Says:


    How should have Schiano “handled it”?

    How was Schiano supposed to dethrone JF5?

    Freeman worked the Bucs to be released. Rather than toughen up and accept his demotion like a man, he chose to run and cry to ESPN.

    Freemadonna is not a Yuccaneer Man!

  87. PRBucFan Says:

    Come on BJ I know you can do better than that

    Your no victim, quit acting like one.

    Cry less

  88. jb Says:

    Freeman’s gone!!

    I wish him well, as long as he’s not playing the BUCS but this deep seeded hatred some of you carry for him is useless. He’s GONE Move the F**K On!

  89. PRBucFan Says:

    Worry about yourself

  90. jb Says:

    @ SteveK, From what I saw Schiano never put him in a position to flourish.
    Mind you, I’m not saying he would’ve or will in the future. But once they started losing toward the end of last season, did you see him rolling out? Did you see him tuck the ball & run when the middle of the field was wide open? Just the opposite, and where do you think that was coming from? SCHIANO. He chose to make Freeman play away from his strengths simply because he wasn’t the type of player Schiano wanted….and now we’re paying for it. Did Freeman act like a spoiled child? Yes, but no more than Schiano did as a tyrannical jerk.

    Do I think Freeman’s an Elite QB? I doubt it. But tell me when and where he’s had any real coaching since he was drafted.

  91. PRBucFan Says:

    Unless ironically you haven’t moved on and you have to keep placing yourself in every conversation in which Freeman’s name is mentioned.

    I’m going to continue to remind everyone of his failure here while as long as they try and use Schiano’s failure as yet another excuse for Freeman. If you do actually use that brain of yours you’ll see that I only ever bring his name up in retort to either someone’s bringing him up directly or to someone’s insinuations regarding him.

    Don’t talk about deep seeded hatred, I read that everyday enough here in regards to Schiano. Yea the man has failed as a coach because he hasn’t produced W’s plain and simple. That is NOT excusable, but that is not even close to as far as it goes with many people lol.

  92. BigMacAttack Says:

    Stevek, I agree with you and I’m not a Freeman fan, but he only got worse under Schiano. It would take 30 yrs to get the right players in Tampa for Schiano to win with.

    I blame Schiano as much as I do Freeman for that failure. I think Schiano knew it was problem before the end of last season. They could have traded Joah then and probably got a 2’nd round pick or better. Now they got nothing for Josh and a 100% busted 09′ draft.

    Dom has drafted what 30 players since he took over??? And how many are still on the team? Maybe 10? He has more free agents than drafted players. There are probably more Chucky drafts than Dom drafts here. This years draft should hardly count because you know those guys get a shot.

    Just fire the whole lot of them.

  93. PRBucFan Says:


    A cleaning of house may indeed be the best move, but only if we can actually get a legitimate coaching staff in here.

    I do not think however that that should apply to the players.

  94. jo mama Says:

    Freeman is in the nfl drug program for a reason.

    he was in decline, he was the reason we lost the first 3 games with a 45% pass completion rating and only 20 yards rushing.

    You cant blame the coach for freemans drug use. He got rid of an addict and the team is better for it.

  95. Capt. Tim Says:

    BigMacAttack – wow, you can feel the frustration.
    And you are right. Why hire another rookie coach, when the last one failed so badly? And the Rookie GM is wasting draft picks so frequently- this team will never develop Depth!

    We need so experience at GM and Coach. This current regime is an embarrassment. The offense will not win with the Childish Rutgers offense.
    Josh knew that from last year. Shiano remains his typical inflexible bonehead.
    IMO, that’s why Josh asked for a trade. How can you be expected to run a doomed system, with a Coach who is too hardheaded to change it.
    We don’t have a TE or slot reciever- because Shiano said they aren’t important in his offense
    We don’t make adjustments at halftime, because Schiano says it’s snack time
    And the man is a .500 college coach, and a.300 coach in the pros.
    You’d think he would at least consider changing some if the things he does!!

    Not the Pasta Nazi! If it isn’t working- it’s somebody else’s fault!!
    Him? He’s perfect.

    And I agree. Let the word”Rutgers” be stricken from all civilized conversation.

    JB- don’t let him get to you, Brother.
    Bobby and his 3 aliases all are here for the same thing. To aggrevate Joe and the intelligent fans. Everyone here saw them knob slobber Glennon. Now, they are backing off him- and knobslobbing Schiano.

    Anything for attention. He’s a young kid, who must be ignored everywhere. Gotta get attention here- by being an ass

  96. PRBucFan Says:

    Cry more Ms.Cleo 2.0?

    Keep up your lies, we all know that’s all your good for.

    Unless it’s to show others how not to be a fan.

    Your good for that too.

    Same ole repetitive garbage, nothing knew.

  97. PRBucFan Says:


  98. PRBucFan Says:

    Of course it’s never complete without Free’s other butt hurt Ball Boy giving his support.

  99. tom in st augustine Says:

    @lightningbuc ~ “Name one POSITIVE about the job Schiano is doing, JUST ONE!” ~ answer: he’s putting us in position for the #1 pick

  100. SteveK Says:

    Capt. Tim,

    LOL at the knob slobbery references.

    Glennon Mob members may suck, but the Freemanites swallow!

    We should clean house, most importantly a new GM, with a “direction” and “plan” (as Cheesburglar King would say).

    If we do ax Schiano, we better replace the damn GM too. Know more BS-ing around.

  101. buc4life24 Says:

    Now Bucs fans are divided into two categories: Schiano supporters vs Schiano Haters?! This season has brought out the worst in everyone!!

    This place has become filled w/ drama and “look at me” posters.

  102. Capt. Tim Says:

    Bobby/ Prbucfan/Tampabaybucfan / and what ever other aliases you have.

    All from same account!! It is really sad to imagine how sad it must, having read some of your discussions with yourself. “Good one bobby!” Thanks Pr! You’re on fire!”

    Lol. What’s a matter kid? Nobody got time for you? Is that why you are so bitter- and desperate for attention? I think you need a day on the ocean, to cheer you up. You should call big brother. It might make you less hateful!
    Good luck with your many issues. Hopefully your family will recognize your many cries for help.

  103. PRBucFan Says:

    It’s funny how Timmy has to come in a try and rescue you when Timmy has done the exact same as you.

    Except Timmy has been called on it by numerous posters 😉

    You can try and claim that Timmy, but not one soul aside from you and the man of many names BJ over there would agree that there is a single ounce of credence to that claim.

    My claim on the other hand is a well known fact.

    Need a tissue?

  104. Buc1987 Says:

    PRBucFan…I don’t know man..I don’t think it’s him. He never used the term chit before and this guy never has any typos. Like 2cents had allll the time.

  105. Buc1987 Says:

    I also don’t think PRBucFan is Bobby or TBBF. Actually I know it for a fact.

  106. PRBucFan Says:

    I love the smell of desperation “LMAO”

    He’s got nothing left so now I’m Bobby or TBBF ahahaha.

    Good one, Ball boy, good one

  107. PRBucFan Says:

    BJ just started using that term to try and change it up.

    Despite his drunken rants that guy is pretty intelligent. Don’t let em fool you.

    Not to mention I have called him on all his new usernames and eventually they just die away.

    Never once denying it by the way.

  108. WalkdaPlank Says:

    Everybody, everybody calm down. This is all Josh Freeman’s and Obama’s fault.

  109. Buc1987 Says:

    It’s not Freeman’s fault…but he does suck.

  110. BigMacAttack Says:

    I wouldn’t fire Dom. I would move him upstairs and find something for him to do. Blank did that with Rich McKay and he adds value as a VP. I think Dom can do the same and spread inside PR for the Bucs to get the refs off our A$$. These zebras have been screwing us for years. The Bucs are always on the short end with calls. They need to find a way to change this from the inside.

    I also think a color change should be looked into. Red and white stand out on green. If the Bucs wore Pewter or Black jerseys they may stand out less in regards to penalties. Green or Camo may work even better. Sounds a little crazy but red and white stand out more than any standard color.

    Besides Maaan, Black is coolllllll

  111. PRBucFan Says:


    That made me laugh pretty hard man

    All I can say is I have tried to be the bigger man and ignore the both of them for days and days now. In the process I have dealt with BJ over there literally posting @PRBucFan some smart ass comment or attack continuously. The archives are there to back that up. I finally had enough and bit back and than he throws out the “victim card” and the “oh Joe, woe is me” line. LoL It’s comical.

    You want me to “STFU”???
    Don’t instigate than, you leave me alone, and I’ll go back to ignoring you like I was trying to do all along.

  112. BigMacAttack Says:

    I guess they could also stop committing penalties.

    Of all the available coaches out there I think Gruden is the best option for the Bucs. He has won here. He still lived here. And I think he can make this team win with only a few tweaks.

  113. PRBucFan Says:


    That’s great thinking man

    I agree on it all except for when you got to the camo part.

    PLEASE no lol

  114. PRBucFan Says:

    I’ve heard Gruden’s name a lot, I just don’t think there’s a way in hell that he comes back here.

  115. Buc1987 Says:

    PRB…I’d bet my house that Gruden will never be walking on the Bucs sidelines ever again.

  116. jb Says:

    PRBucFan Says:
    October 15th, 2013 at 6:39 pm
    You want me to “STFU”???
    Don’t instigate than, you leave me alone, and I’ll go back to ignoring you like I was trying to do all along.
    Instigate???? What? I post here, something you happen to take exception to..for whatever reason, then immediately start attacking me calling me Capt. Tim or whoever you mistakenly believe me to be. Then continue it by claiming you’re gonna ignore & not respond to me, then post after nearly every post I make…responding your nonsense.

    Tell ya what, try and act like an adult (same goes for me) & perhaps we can put this to rest. Because I don’t know about you, but I aint leaving.

  117. Buc1987 Says:

    Plus I don’t want Lovie (a defensive minded coach) either. I’ll take Mooch or Schotty though. Or perhaps some really good OC out there looking for a move up.

  118. Buc1987 Says:

    jb…there have been a lot of people using multiple usernames on JBF so people do get suspicious some times. Multiple usernames are childish and pathetic I know, but it is what it is. It’s the internet people you don’t have to hide behind a newly mad up name.

    Robert stop using the name Sharon or Ricardo Esteban and go back to robert. Except this time capitalize the R.

  119. PRBucFan Says:

    If you are confused as to what I mean you can just look the previous threads to see exactly what I meant.

    To all the @PRBucFan’s in regards to comments that had absolutely nothing to do with you where you try and get me to react.

    Regardless though this is getting us no where.

    I agree though, I’ve been around since this site started, came from the Message Boards and I’m not about to leave now.

    Let’s move on and lay this to rest

  120. Buc1987 Says:

    Also I’m soooo over this season already. I wish I could wake up tomorrow and the nightmare season is over. We can all stop fighting with eachother. Then we can discuss who we think would make a great choice to be the Bucs new HC and what the Bucs should do with their high draft pick. I wish it was that easy. But I guess we will all have to suffer through the next 11 weeks together. That’s why although I may be cranky over it all, I’m trying to remain cool with people in here. A lot different then I used to be when I first joined the discussions back in July. I attacked everyone in sight on here.
    PRBucFan was like my shrink that made me calm down. I called him my Dr Phil at one point. Oh well I don’t know where I’m going with this so I’ll just end it now.

  121. PRBucFan Says:

    Ahahaha I remember those days, I have allowed myself to get yanked into some crap as well lately. I’ve been a lousy Dr.Phil for ya lol. Apologies.

  122. Buc1987 Says:

    lol PR…I’m sure there are many people that remember those days.

  123. Buc1987 Says:

    This what I mean by people don’t need to hide behind other ID’s right here:

    I predicted the Bucs were going to win the NFC South Division this season.
    Oh YES I did and I said it was not homerism talking either. Actually it wasn’t I thought on paper they were going to win it.

  124. passthebuc Says:

    tell me, who is out there looking for a job that we would want for a coach.
    To say he needs to go and just fire him is to move forward without a plan. We have already seen what movement without plans can accomplish, is that not why everyone wants a new coach and GM.

    The owners are very good business people and they know what I know. First you need to have a GM picked and committed for next year. Then you need that new GM to start planing now for changes in the spring. Unless you are systematic, this failure will continue.

  125. BigMacAttack Says:

    Notice the Eggles where green and get few penalties. If you put white frames in your pool cage you’ll see every one when you look out. If you use dark bronze instead of white you will see right through them. You always see red cars on the road and white gets pulled over more than any color. Red is a bulls eye. Out of sight out of mind. Grey and black blend and should lead to fewer penalties.

  126. BigMacAttack Says:

    I’d make Bryan Cox the interim coach. He’s hard nosed and might do well. Now is the time to experiment, search for the right guy or line up the next real HC. Don’t wait until January because the Steelers aren’t going to fire Mike Tomlin.

    Chucky, Cowher, Billick all Super Bowl winners.

  127. BigMacAttack Says:

    Mike Zimmer is ready for a team as well. Lovie is better than Schiano. He’ll, why not try Rod Marinelli? He bombed in Detroit but Matt Millen screwed that up.

  128. BigMacAttack Says:

    Derrick Brooks for GM

  129. Buc1987 Says:

    Today’s NFL is offensive driven…it’s almost like they shun defense now. That’s why I want and offensive wiz. No Gruden is not coming back to Tampa Bay. He’s a memory now, a good one but still a memory.

  130. Buc1987 Says:

    mac…I’m a big Derrick Brooks fan, but I don’t know if he likes the org that much. Maybe he does, I just don’t know. This team needs BUTTLOADS of experience right now. Front office and coaching. And no I don’t mean Wanstedt and Sully or Butch. There Glazers cannot be pleased at all, I’m sure they are just as upset as the fans, probably more. I just hope they really go all out at the end of the season and fix this mess with the right people.

  131. canadianbuc Says:

    How anyone can defend Schiano is a huge joke. The bucs had a chance to win the jets, saints, and Cardinals game by getting some key first downs late in those games but instead he does the conservative thing and run the ball right up the gut (and in those games Martin was already having tough games) which resulted in 4th down punts. Against the Cards he finally shows some trust in “his guy” glennon late in game when we were leading and what did that result in? “His guy” Glennon does that smart thing by throwing it to patrick peterson! Schiano is just a complete idiot who doesnt belong in the NFL

  132. Capt. Tim Says:

    This season is driving everyone crazy. I think all of us had high expectations. This team has talent. I think everyone is trying to figure out why things have gone so bad. And there aren’t any signs it’s getting better.

    And the circus atmosphere around the team is unprecedented! The Bucs are constantly getting press- and not in a good why.

    I have been guilty of misdirected hostility. I have both baited, and been baited by other Buc fans. Who are undoubtedly as frustrated as I am.

    For that, I apologize to any I have disrespected.
    This place is where we can discuss different opinions- not ambush our fellow Bucfan.

    I have also spent more time in hospitals ,the last few weeks, than I care to! Not a good excuse- but true nonetheless.

    For my part- I will try to redirect my Rage at the guilty. Not my fellow posters.
    Hope I can stay true to that. It’s just a miserable time to be a Bucfan right now. Nobody wants their team to be a laughing stock!

  133. chickster Says:

    Ive tried to be positive in this and hope there could be something to be a bright spot glennen looked decent at qb but the qb change in my opinion wasn’t the issue sorry to say that the OC isn’t very good when things are not working you change what s not working and they have not they are very stubborn in there coaching and it has cost them there season any wins now are meaningless what for next year is next year and things change even more it6 only takes a players coach with a type of discipline that the players respect and lay it all out for him not a coach that tapes players on the sideline at the end of games or leaks info or calls out your qb in the off season instead of supporting josh he backstabbed him and a player will give up on you as I know he makes a lot of money to play but he’s still human and you cant change that .

  134. Capt. Tim Says:

    Marinelli is a great idea! Lots of good choices!

    I was upset at the lack of young talent on the team, when Gruden left, and don’t believe he would ever come back.

    But at this point, if he did, I would personally go throw Rose petals in front of him, every step of the way into one Buc place!

  135. jb Says:


    We had the same issue @ another board I post on, and you’re absolutely correct, it is childish & pathetic. But I don’t want to keep going round & round with personal attacks on one another for whatever reason.

    Sounds like this place has had it’s share of numbnuts, like most every other board.

  136. jb Says:

    PRBucFan Says:
    October 15th, 2013 at 7:05 pm

    If you are confused as to what I mean you can just look the previous threads to see exactly what I meant.

    Let’s move on and lay this to rest

    I’m with you there……..100%

  137. chickster Says:

    And I also believe that revis will be the first on to jump ship because he is clearly being miss used

  138. jb Says:

    Capt. Tim Says:
    October 15th, 2013 at 8:19 pm

    This season is driving everyone crazy. I think all of us had high expectations. This team has talent. I think everyone is trying to figure out why things have gone so bad. And there aren’t any signs it’s getting better.

    And the circus atmosphere around the team is unprecedented! The Bucs are constantly getting press- and not in a good why.

    I have been guilty of misdirected hostility. I have both baited, and been baited by other Buc fans. Who are undoubtedly as frustrated as I am.

    For that, I apologize to any I have disrespected.
    This place is where we can discuss different opinions- not ambush our fellow Bucfan.

    I have also spent more time in hospitals ,the last few weeks, than I care to! Not a good excuse- but true nonetheless.

    For my part- I will try to redirect my Rage at the guilty. Not my fellow posters.
    Hope I can stay true to that. It’s just a miserable time to be a Bucfan right now. Nobody wants their team to be a laughing stock.

    Good stuff, not just you Cap, but by all here.
    Like you say, this season has really & truly sucked the positive vibes out of us. It’s best we not turn on one another.

    We’re ALL BUC Fans here……with differing opinions, and that’s okay.

    Because when we do finally get this ship righted, there’s gonna be HELL to pay, by 31 other teams……& their fans! LMAO!! That one was for you PR.

  139. Pewter Power Says:

    What do you expect him to say Joe, “um, we are the laughing stock of the NFL”.

  140. BigMacAttack Says:

    It doesn’t matter if you say it when everybody knows it. Schiano needs to learn that we aren’t stupid, we’re here for the long haul, and he will be gone long before we will. When he talks about “the fans” it’s as if he’s speaking of college students.

    I have a job or three, but this is like a job to me as well and I don’t half A$$ anything(except type) and his half A$$ effort ain’t cutting it.

  141. Hawaiian Buc Says:

    I know a lot of people don’t think Gruden would come back, but you never know. Money talks. Give a little apology, make him the highest paid head coach in the NFL, and give him the same amount of power Schiano has, I think we have a good shot at getting him back. He’s coming back eventually. He’s just waiting for the right opportunity. We have all learned our lesson, myself included. Like Capt., I’d throw rose petals at his feet. Maybe he won’t even take the call, but my money says he would under the right circumstances.

  142. Hawaiian Buc Says:

    There are tons of proven coaches and coordinators that are there for the taking. At this point, I would take just about every one of them over what we have now. No more college coaches and no more position coaches. Don’t even interview any. Stop taking chances. I’d rather have Marty in here and lose in the playoffs then this crap we’ve been subjected to. Raheem would never shut up in press conferences, and Schiano says nothing but either worthless, stupid, or lies. Both are hard to listen to and believe in. Get someone competent – it’s really not that hard.

  143. BigMacAttack Says:

    I agree Hawaiian Buc brother. Make Chucky an offer he can’t refuse. He loves football. This is a talented team and he already lives here. I think he’d do it, but would the Glazers eat crow. I know I would because I’m about the money and this franchise loses value by the minute with this regime.

  144. BigMacAttack Says:

    I’m tired of being negative because that isn’t me. I’m so ready for a change so I can get back on the positive side. We have 11 games left so why not try to fix it now.

  145. Eric Says:

    Interesting how things can change. Wasn’t all that long ago I’d say something supporting Gruden and get lambasted by 20 posts.

    I guess we are all feeling the Schiano pain. I even said keep the damn rock star if we have to in order to get rid of him.

    I wonder if the Glazers know the depths of our despair. It’s the worst I’ve ever seen it. People just start laughing if you even bring up the Bucs!

  146. BigMacAttack Says:

    Go Lightning!!!

  147. Eric Says:

    Joe did you ever think you would see the day when folks would join in with me to beg Gruden to come back?

  148. BigMacAttack Says:

    Maybe the players need to take Schiano to one of the strip clubs, or all of the strip clubs. Get him hammered and take pictures of him in all kinds of compromising situations. No problem that mass boobies in the face can’t solve.

    Just maybe he’ll lighten up a little. He may even loosen up his top button.

  149. BigMacAttack Says:

    Eric I loved Chucky and was really upset when he got canned. We always had a chance to win when Jon was the coach.

  150. Hawaiian Buc Says:


    Admittedly, I was wrong about Gruden too, although I never really wanted him fired. I just felt as if he had kind of wore on all the players, and they had quit on him. I just kind of figured all NFL coaches have a shelf life, and his was up. I wasn’t happy when he was fired, but I wasn’t furious either. I bought in to both Raheem and Schiano, which was stupid, but I’m a homer so I guess I can’t help it.

    I actually think he would be a perfect fit with this team. They are used to being coached by an arse hole, but Gruden’s not even close to the arse hole that Schiano is. There is talent on this team, and you can bet that he would get the most out of their talent, or they would be gone. Not like Schiano who gets rid of people if their toes aren’t on the line.

    The only other wild card I could throw out there would be Tom Coughlin, assuming he’s not with the Giants next year. I would be thrilled with that hire too. I’d go for Lovie, Marty, Billick, the other Gruden, Zimmer, Rob Ryan, Micky, Minnie, Daffy, Bozo, or anyone else not named Schiano or Morris.

  151. Eric Says:

    I don’t think the man could loosen up. I thought Perkins was wound up tight!

    He was super relaxed by comparison!

  152. Capt. Tim Says:

    Ya gotta believe this job would be a real coaches Dream!
    One of Best DTs in the league, 2 great young LBer. Leagues best safety tandem, Best defensive player in the league.

    Two great WRs, great young back. Some talented linemen.

    And a high first round pick.

    I’m probably too optimistic- but I believe a Billick, Gruden, Cowher, Shotty- could all be winning here in a year or two. Especially if we get an experienced QB.

    Geez , we oughta trade for Nick Foles!! He’s a monster in our stadium!!

  153. Capt. Tim Says:

    I’ll admit it. I never thought the idea of Gruden coming back would fill me with optimism.

    But it would! Between the last ten games of Raheem, and the entire Shiano reign of darkness- Gruden looks like a knight on a white charger!!

    I’m gonna start gathering Rose petals. Just in case! Lol

  154. Splengo Says:

    Capt. Tim,

    No harm, no fault. We’re all upset about the way things are going and it makes us attack each other sometimes. I can go at it with the best of’em. But for me it’s never personal.

    I try to use humor to get my point over, but even that wears thin after a while. I decided to chill and just count the wins and losses. They never lie! Anyway I hope all goes well for you and every other JBF poster.

  155. canadianbuc Says:

    At this point i think any coach would be an upgrade to Schiano but I just have one request from the glazers when the inevitable happens and they fire Schiano and start the interview process please please please can we hire an experienced NFL head coach. I know some guys have come up from college and had success in NFL but this team has failed under two rookie NFL HC and i think what the team needs is a true nfl head coach with experience who can turn this thing around quick!

  156. BigMacAttack Says:

    One thing about Gruden is that he was hilarious, all the while he was coaching up his players. Humor is big help. I have never heard Schiano say anything funny.

  157. BigMacAttack Says:

    You know I really think we’re all on the same page now, at least for the most part.

  158. Capt. Tim Says:

    I think so to.
    Just nothing good about this regime.

    Except their final exit!

  159. Buc1987 Says:

    So it’s kumbaya on JBF for now. Let’s see how long it lasts. Look were all in this together. Some of us are going to have different opinions which will lead to fights, especially if some of us are very opinionated. Like me. It’s tough for anyone to break through my opinion and make me change my mind. But that’s how it’s been this season in here. It’s like everyone wants to be right and to one up the other fan, just to be proven right. I don’t know if it’s always like that on JBF because I’m kind of new to the site since July. I think if the organization ever does get their sh!t together, then we will truly have some fun in here. Let’s all hope that happens sooner rather than later. It’s been a long wait. I feel like I’ve been sold some fool’s gold by the Glazers and I want some real gold now. It’s time to pay up or I’m going to start calling them Culverhouse 2.0.

  160. Jeff78280z Says:

    Joe it sounded to me like Schiano was saying any given Sunday. We can compete. Not late in the Fourth with 2:34 left. It sounded like he was talking about all the games. Not just when the other team is kneel down mode.

  161. Buc1987 Says:

    Eric Says :”I wonder if the Glazers know the depths of our despair. It’s the worst I’ve ever seen it. People just start laughing if you even bring up the Bucs!”

    Ha ha ha you know Eric now you know what it was like when I first moved down here in 87. I wore Bucs shirts to high school and got picked on for it. It was tough telling all these northern transplant kids that I was a Bucs fan. But I was northern transplant myself, so I did not know any better about there history. Growing up in N.E. I never even knew that Tampa had a team and I’m serious. That’s how irrelevant they were. That’s probably why TBBF and me are so tolerant of failure when it comes to the Bucs, because we’ve been through it.

  162. Buc1987 Says:

    Culverhouse would sign some big name player just to boost ticket sales. This is starting to remind me of those days.

  163. Hawaiian Buc Says:


    To clarify, I don’t want to be right. I want Schiano to be the next Jimmy Johnson. I have never, and will never, cheer against this team. I don’t care if we can get the #1 pick with a loss. I hate losing. However, I am 100% sure that Schiano isn’t going to work. He’s not a NFL coach. I had my doubts last year that I kept to myself while I was being my normal homer self, but this year I just can’t do that anymore. It’s not the losses that drive me the most crazy, it’s the way we lose. We are too damn talented to lose like this. With even an average coach, we are 4-1 right now. I firmly believe that. I even feel we would be 3-2 with Raheem at coach (with this much talent). I have the biggest problem with the side shows that have taken place off the field. The nonsense of rushing the kneel down, the getting rid of good players, and of course the Freeman debacle. It’s all the stories about his micromanaging ways. It’s his sought after QB coach that doesn’t coach footwork. It’s embarrassing, and I’ve never been this embarrassed before about the Bucs. Not even during Raheem’s last 10 games. It’s terrible, and I want it to end.

  164. BigMacAttack Says:

    Aloha and ditto. I could care less about being right. All I want to do is win. But I have to believe my instincts and they tell me that Schiano Stincts.

  165. BigMacAttack Says:

    The Lightning are 4-2, kicking butts and I have never seen them so fast and playing hard core defense. Schiano needs go to a Lightning game before he goes to the strip club.

  166. BuccaneerBonzai Says:

    BigMacAttack Says: October 15th, 2013 at 4:18 pm

    “Stevek, I agree with you and I’m not a Freeman fan, but he only got worse under Schiano.”

    Something to consider…Schiano is a defensive coach, right? Even so, he came from college where running QBs are a dime a dozen. In fact, and I’m not looking it up, I’m thinking there is a good chance Schiano had mobile QBs at Rutgers.

    Sullivan came from the Giants where he was the QB coach of a pocket passer. He develops the offensive playbook and calls the offensive plays. This past week he was even in the booth.

    It seems clear to me that the only times Schiano offers input on offense is when they decide to go for it on forth or when the offense is ticking him off. I really think he is leaving the offense to Sully at this point.

    I like Sully, but when it comes down to it, it’s his playbook that did not uses Josh’s strengths. It’s his unit that is dropping passes, blocking poorly, not producing.

    Put yourself in Schiano’s place. What would you do to fix the problem? Dominick hamdles the hirings and firings…and he prefers to act in the off season.

  167. zam Says:

    The games start out 0-0, so yeah i guess technically that’s true…

  168. jjbill01 Says:

    No NFL experience, college mentality + stubborn = Disaster

    sad result for us just MHO Thanks

  169. Joe Says:

    No NFL experience, college mentality + stubborn = Disaster

    To be fair, Schiano was an assistant with the Bears.