Bucs Miss Doug Martin Badly

October 26th, 2013
Bucs rookie running back Mike James struggled against the Stinking Panthers.

Bucs rookie running back Mike James struggled against the Stinking Panthers.

Doug Martin seriously busting up his shoulder with what is believed to be a torn labrum put the put the Bucs in an unforgivable situation. The team is relying on two green rookies as two of their biggest weapons: quarterback Mike Glennon and now running back Mike James.

Andrew Astleford of FoxSportsFlorida watched the loss to the Stinking Panthers closely and came to the conclusion that James is not yet ready for prime time.

That meant more work for James, of course. The Bucs were excited about him after drafting the Miami product in the sixth round, No. 189 overall, last April. James was serviceable but not stellar Thursday, rushing for 39 yards on 10 carries.

The Bucs are optimistic that Martin can return before season’s end, and they’ll need that to happen, given his obvious talent that sparks this offense.

Here is the deal: Martin, James, hell, even Mike Alstott would struggle if they didn’t have blocking and right now there is no unit underperforming worse than the Bucs’ offensive line. Much of it is due to injuries.

This is why Joe is banging the drum — and will bang on the drum until the NFL draft comes next spring — that the Bucs need Texas A&M hulk of an offensive tackle Jake Matthews. This offensive line desperately needs fresh blood. H

How long will Donald Penn last? He’s no spring chicken. Sadly with his medical issues, roadgrader Carl Nicks can’t be counted on. Ted Larsen should not be on the Bucs roster next year. Joe hopes Davin Joseph can turn things around, but at his salary, even he admits his career is on the line. And as much as Joe loves Demar Dotson, he is serviceable at best.

Without blocking, an offense has little chance to succeed. This is why Joe believes Matthews would be a solid choice.

92 Responses to “Bucs Miss Doug Martin Badly”

  1. Adam L. Says:

    Davin Joseph was quoted as saying, “It just feels different not opening holes for someone else.”

  2. Espo Says:

    We all saw Monday what happened to the great Adrian Peterson without blocks made for him, and the opposing defense putting 8 or 9 in the box. That is what we’ll see for the rest of this year…and without a hall of fame running back.

  3. chickster Says:

    I thought they should of kept hillis and i was right

  4. dee Says:

    Doug has fumble the ball alot this year, I think they should sit him he’s been over worked this year he look tired.

  5. Hawk Says:

    ‘One’ O-lineman isn’t going to change things, and I doubt that the Glazers are going to open their wallet for a ‘starting’ FA lineman.
    Also, as you said, “… Martin, James, hell, even Mike Alstott would struggle if they didn’t have blocking…”. So, why beat up Martin for a few meaningless games? Wouldn’t it make more sense to see if James is capable of being a valuable addition to next years’ roster? It will give him so excellent experience, and provide film for the next staffs’ evaluation.

  6. BucFanForever Says:

    “The Bucs are optimistic that Martin can return before season’s end, and they’ll need that to happen, given his obvious talent that sparks this offense.”

    I take it this guy didn’t watch the first 5.5 games. There was no spark even with Martin in the lineup.

    Until the 500 other problems on offense get fixed, Martin will just be running into a wall of defenders.

  7. BuccaneerBonzai Says:

    IF Schiano is fired, here’s a scenario I’d like thought on:

    Let’s assume the Glazers wait till the end of the season, which is likely at this point…assuming he isn’t canned by Monday.

    If the Steelers continue to lose as well, and Tomlin gets fired, how about him as head coach and Smith as DC?

  8. gotbbucs Says:

    Until a new regime comes in and implements schemes that can take advantage of what we have, I am done judging the players currently on the roster. On offense, Sullivan is hell bent on bringing everything as close to the ball as possible. We are always in two tight end sets with our offensive line splits at about one foot. How much easier can you make it or the defense? Even when other teams are in nickel and dime defenses they can’t help but put 8 or 9 players in the box.
    On defense all these bullsh!t stunts and pass rush games with d-lineman force everything inside and nobody has any room to work any moves. You have to be an absolute idiot to not understand that what’s best, especially with McCoy, is to allow him to isolate on guards. He’s going to win 75% of those matchups.
    Revis is a press corner, the whole idea behind drafting Jonthan Banks was that he was a long athlete that could match up with taller receivers. Sherridan and Schiano are doing the opposing teams OC’s jobs for them by planting those two in zones.
    i could go on but it’s pointless.

  9. Mr. Patrick Says:

    First of all, there is not one unit on this offense that could look good in this horrible offensive system. It’s totally outdated and predictable. The O-Line has totally underachieved. But you bring in people to fit your scheme and they have not. Dotson and Zutah would excel in a Zone blocking scheme not a power running game. Davin and Nicks are road graters but neither as been a factor this year. And Penn still holds his own but is getting a little long in the tooth. Just not good chemistry there. If Bucs are going to bring in a young Franchise QB hopeful next year they had better be able to protect him. When Bucs brought in Dilfer and Vinny, they had no O-LINE and those young men got shell-shocked early. However, the best thing the Bucs could do to help out their O-line and QB’s is to scrap this rotten system

  10. Ed Says:

    Agree w Gotbbucs, the coaches are idiots, they’ve done nothing to make the offense better. I swear the Intensity of the Bucs on offense against the Panthers was a preseason effort. The Bucs played like it was a practice. It’s so obvious the players are not buying into the play calling or the strategy.

    You have to get some speedsters stretching the defense. You have to be able to win one on one match ups over the middle. Why do we always go underneath, cross or throw to sidelines. Nothing over the top or middle of field.

    The coaches coach scared.

  11. Meh Says:

    Awful pick. Just awful.

    One of: Bridgewater, Mariota, Clowney, or Hundley need to be the pick if we’re top 4.

  12. Meh Says:

    I mean our line problems are almost entirely on the interior not the tackles, we have no pass rush, we’re starting a backup (at best) QB, and you want to take a tackle?


  13. Meh Says:

    I should just quote Futurama here to describe picking Matthews, “That was so bad it gave me cancer.”

  14. Tampabaybuctfan Says:

    @ Chickster

    Hillis ran 18 times for 36 yards…….I don’t think we miss him.

    As for Matthews in the first round….thats only if we get the 4th or 5th pick and Glennon develops and we find a pass rusher in FA & a 3rd WR/TE.

  15. BuccaneerBonzai Says:

    And if you have a top 2 pick you should ALWAYS take a QB. The trade value alone would be worth it even if you have a solid starter. The smart teams know this.

  16. BuccaneerBonzai Says:

    Tomlin get’s fired in Pittsburgh. Bucs hire him. Bucs hire Lovie Smith as DC. Steelers release Big Ben. Bucs sign Big Ben and then draft a QB in round one and a CB in round 2.

    The following year, cut Revis and save a bundle.

  17. Tampabaybuctfan Says:

    @ Bonzai


  18. Tampabaybuctfan Says:

    Glazers make a publc apology and hire Gruden….we drop down a few slots…pick up an extra 2nd round pick…take Johnny M. with our 1st round pick.

    Gruden takes Raheem & Greg’s team to the SB.

    Now, I’m dremin’…..

  19. BuccaneerBonzai Says:

    No kidding, lol.

    But it could happen if the Steelers fire Tomlin. I would love Smith as DC but not as HC. He would insist on running the defense as HC. This team started their downfall when coaches started doing two jobs.

  20. Deminion Says:

    Depends on draft position I’m for trading or cutting Joseph for picks love him but it’s time penn too they both have big salaries draft best avail in the first

  21. Tampabaybuctfan Says:

    @ Bonzai

    I agree….we need stong DC & Offensive minded HC…..we will probably get one of the current OCs….

  22. Tampabaybuctfan Says:

    Finally, there is harmony on JBF…..Freeman is gone….like it or not….Schiano should be & will be fired…eventually…and we are doing the same thing One Buc Place should be doing…evaluiating our current talent and looking toward next year.
    The problem is Buc coaches are looking toward next week!!!

  23. Fatmosh Says:

    Seriously, Joe?

    The ONLY thing right now that the Bucs need to make them respectable is a new coach and a new QB.

    A stud LT will not be the difference for us.

    How about, for the first time in the HISTORY OF THE FRANCHISE, we get a QB that can make all the throws and lead this team.

  24. Patrick in VA Says:

    1) doesn’t matter how much James struggles, Martin needs to be shelved for the rest of this lost year. 2) we don’t need Martin so much as we need a line that can block effectively.

  25. Tyler Says:

    I say pick qb 1st if Antonio Richardson falls to bottom 20 of first you trade back up and take him bam qb n franchise left tackle then move penn to right cutting his salary trade Joseph for a pick draft the center Swanson from Arkansas put zuttah at left guard where he plays best an move nicks to right then next draft take a guard out oline for next year would be LT rich, lg zutt, C Swanson, RG nicks, and RT penn bam oline fixed with Dotson as swing tackle then take a guard like I said next year and bam zuttah goes to swing guard/ backup center oline has depth again

  26. Tyler Says:

    And the oline is cheap again saving alotta money to improve dline

  27. PRBucFan Says:

    There’s absolutely NO WAY Tomlin gets fired after ONE bad season.

    The man has done nothing but win.

    But yea, I like him too.

  28. BucsQcCity Says:

    I’m against picking an ol in 1st round.. Round 3-4 is a good place to pick oline.. It will still be an improvment who occasionnally find one out of the street

  29. Andrew 1 Says:

    Mike James is just a solid RB, nothing real spectacular like Doug. I disagree on the draft pick, I think we should draft a QB. you dont win in this league if you dont have a QB. there are 5 good ones so we need to take one of them.

  30. Mr. Patrick Says:

    It’s really awful that we Bucs fans are sitting here at the season’s halfway point talking about the draft and who the next Coach and QB will be. It’s hard to predict who they should take in the draft until we find out who the next coach will be and what kind of Offense and Defense he runs. O Lord, give us Patience

  31. Bold Prognosticator Says:

    Crazy, untenable and preposterous predictions from the only man bold enough to make them:

    1. Bucs finish 8-8; 3-3 in the division

    2. Schiano is retained, Bill Sheridan fired and Wannstedt made DC

    3. Vincent Jackson is traded before 2014 deadline

    4. Bucs do NOT draft a QB, but sign a veteran free agent

    I don’t know how long these comments are retained in the archives, so it would be wise to make a note. Some of these eventualities may be dangerously shocking to those of weak temperament.

  32. WestCoastBucsFan Says:

    If we get a top three pick in 2014 we NEED to draft a legitimate franchise quarterback. Bridgewater, Manziel, I don’t care. Get a guy that is a sure fire franchise guy and THEN worry about other positions.

    I’m not hating on Glennon here but based on what we have seen it seems unlikely that he is ever going to be anything more than serviceable.

    If we do end up with the 4th or later overall pick then I am all for grabbing a tackle or another position of need.

  33. passthebuc Says:


  34. zam Says:

    The coaches have no idea how to use any of their talent, so why should o-line be any different?

  35. Cmurda Says:

    Patrick. I agree man. How crappy is it that our season is already over before we finish 1/2 our games? It sucks but it is what it is. All I can hope for is there isn’t some sort of shocking quote from the Glazers such as “we will not fire Schiano this year”. Something like us ending the season winning 2 of our 3 wins or whatnot preventing the logical decision here. There are a multitude of coaches out there like Schotty or Gruden (I dont care. Im throwin him out there. I’d be stoked with him in a heartbeat) and dozens more with actual experience and proven knowledge. Seriously, at this point is there even anyone advocating for us to keep Schiano for next year?

  36. MadMax Says:

    Hell yeah JOE!!! Matthews all the way….and Taylor Lewan too!!!!!!

  37. BucNasty!!! Says:

    Bridgewater and greg roman he’ll have em lookin better tjen kapernick n no time or at the very least he’ll have him look like alex smith win win no?? 🙂

  38. PRBucFan Says:

    Mariota is the guy to target

    2nd Bridgewater 🙂

  39. MadMax Says:

    Look, I love the QB crop this year, especially the top 5, but behind this O line? …not a chance, dont care who you are.

    Target O line first, then WR/TE, then QB….or QB then WR/TE

    Regardless, Jameis Winston is the magical QB if you ever wanted one, so build up for him…..he needs protection and receivers who can catch!

  40. Meh Says:

    No, you build a team around a franchise QB if you want repeat championships. We need to take a shot at one of these franchise QBs while we can. We aren’t going to have a top 2 pick very many years (I hope). Get the QB now while you can.

    We aren’t getting Winston unless next season is like this season. He’s likely going #1. If we fire Schiano, I hope its a long time before we pick this high again. I love him, but forget about him. He isn’t going to be a Buc. Let’s get Bridgewater or Mariota this year.

  41. Chris Says:

    Getting Mariotta or Bridgwater.
    – fire schiano and Dom.
    – hire Greg roman as HC.
    – hire Eric stokes as gm.
    – cut the sludge. Penn and Joseph.
    – get a good 3rd wr and te.
    – trade mark Barron. Sucks.
    – move banks to safety. Ball hawk.

  42. Chris Says:

    Gerald McCoy is also the most overrated DT in the nfl.

  43. Meh Says:

    McCoy might be the best DT in the NFL. He is underrated if anything.

  44. Oil Derrick Brooks Says:

    @ Chris

    I love almost all of that. I really do. But, I want a guy who already has more experience in a GM type role.

    Stokes’ resume is just not full enough, imo. (it actually mimicks Dom’s career, except Dom was pro personnel not college) .I’d look at Ozzie’s asst GM in Baltimore.

    I just don’t think the Bucs can risk going the Dominick route again. i.e. promote a scout internally. Banks at safety would be great. I’m all for Roman.

  45. Chris Says:

    Please explain. Good run defender. Can’t beat double teams and struggles against single blocks. How many sacks does he have. ?

  46. Chris Says:

    Guy from Baltimore, decosta isn’t leaving. He’s got it made there and is the stepping in as gm in waiting once Ozzie hangs it up.

  47. MadMax Says:

    @Meh, what good would they do behind this O line? Sorry, but I disagree…Matthews or Lewan first and another wr/te who CAN CATCH!!

  48. SteveK Says:

    Mathews or Clowney should be our pick.

    Possibly the best OT, best bloodlines in this draft, or the best D-Line prospect since Peppers.

    Pick your poison.

    Either one of those guys solidifies a weakness in the trenches.

    Dom’s goose is cooked for lacking the balls to draft an O-lineman.

  49. Meh Says:

    You can fix an oline through free agency. You can put together a good line without a top tier tackle. You cannot just “find” a franchise QB (Denver excepted).

    You take the possible franchise QB when you get the chance, because you’re lucky to get a chance every 10 years.

    How are the browns doing with Weeden and Joe Thomas?

    Bottom line – you can’t win multiple championships without a franchise QB. It doesn’t happen. Good defenses with good running games can win one when all the stars align – but its still one at most.

    Go get the QB when you have a chance. We can build the line. Furthermore, our line problems are mostly at the guard not tackle, and those problems are almost entirely injury related.

    Wasting this pick on a LT, even a great one, would be the worst thing this franchise could possibly do.

    Now if we’re sitting at the #5 pick, and Bridgewater, Mariota, Hundley, and Clowney are all gone, then we consider Matthews. But only then.

  50. SteveK Says:


    Last time I checked, Andrew Luck isn’t in this draft.

    Bruce Mathew’s seed is one of the top prospects in this draft.

    Why would we overpay a trench player? How has that worked out?

    We should draft our linemen, and sign FA skill players. The big boys tend to break down quicker.

  51. Meh Says:

    So what? Luck is a generational player. That doesn’t disprove a single thing I said.

    There are still 3 potential franchise QBs in this draft. You very, very rarely find them outside the first round. There are some counter examples like Wilson and Brady, but for every one of those there are 10 who don’t make it.

    Don’t overthink this. Take the guy that has a good shot at being a franchise QB when you get the chance, because you almost never get that chance. Or do we want to pass on Aaron Rogers again?

    No position has more of an impact on the game than the QB. None. That’s only going to accelerate as the rules embrace safety and being offensively biased. Without a QB, you’ve got nothing.

    This really isn’t about Matthews (no argument that he’s great), and it really isn’t about Glennon (no argument that he isn’t great). While there is no Luck in this class, there are 3 QBs that can be the rock of your franchise for a decade or more.

    Taking Matthews and leaving a top QB on the board is the worst move this franchise could make.

  52. Couch Fan Says:

    Amazing how we have a guy 5 years and people make up never ending excuses for garbage play and Glennon can’t even get 5 games. Anyways, With a top 3 pick, I think we should get Clowney. We need pass rush desperately. 4 -8 I would like Watkins. Hopefully we can get a G/C in the 2nd or 3rd.

  53. MadMax Says:

    YuP…..Matthews all the way!!!!!!!!

  54. MadMax Says:

    But I see your point Meh. If we go QB though, O line MUST BE the next 2 picks…..and we miss on a star DE or WR/TE too……

  55. MadMax Says:

    And NO to Clowney….trust me, Im a Gamecock….thats a bust especially in Tampa hot weather…..if you dont believe me, just please watch as much video on him as I have.

  56. Meh Says:

    Glennon was a 3rd round QB in a weak QB draft. There are at least a half dozen guys in this draft that would have been picked over Glennon.

    Let me repeat, this has nothing to do with Glennon. It has everything to do with taking a chance on a franchise QB because you almost never even get to roll those dice.

  57. Meh Says:

    If we go QB in the first, I think we should go DE, TE, or OG in the 2nd – best available from those 3 position groups.

  58. Couch Fan Says:

    I’ll take your word for it. If not Clowney, I agree we need to draft an O-lineman badly. Or the best receiver, which I think is Watkins. I just dont think its realistic to draft another QB and expect better results with the same cast of characters on the O-line right now.

  59. MadMax Says:

    @Meh, have you watched Connor Shaw? Im telling you, thats a firey kid who can come in here (assuming we’re under new leadership that can utilize him) and light a fire under this offense….can throw and run.

    No he’s not Bridgewater, but he can probably be picked up in the 3rd.

  60. Meh Says:

    I agree we need a guard badly, but a tackle I think is a couple years out. We’ve got Nicks and Joseph both coming off injuries. Nicks still looked decent when he was in, and the MRSA is (hopefully) not going to be a long term issue. Joseph may never be the same, or he may be just slow to recover from a serious knee injury. I *think* the latter, but I don’t know.

    I’d take a guard at some point, even as early as the 2nd round. We need guard depth even if Nicks and Joseph both return to pro bowl form. Larsen and Meredith are both terrible. Take a guard in the 2nd or 4th (you can often get great guards a little later). We get line depth and insurance in case Joseph/Nicks are never the same.

    As for Penn, I really have no problem sticking it out with him for another year. He hasn’t had a great year, but it isn’t terrible either. I’m pretty sure the horrific guard play is making the whole line look a lot worse than it actually is. Penn is aging, but he isn’t completely done yet.

    We can draft a good tackle in the first round next year or the year after in the 15-25 range. No, that guy won’t be Matthews, but it should be more than enough to build a good line.

    The biggest question for me on this team right now is our DEs. Are they bad, or are they just looking bad because of the horrible stunting? I’m guessing a combination of both.

  61. MadMax Says:

    @Couch, the thing about Clowney is his motor. I think because he’s so big and so fast, he just cant keep up much. Everybody knows about “the hit” last year, but he was held out for before that hit because he was sucking so much wind. And Taylor Lewan was handling him 1 vs 1 most of that game. The reason he wasnt on him during the hit is a TE lined up in front of him while trying to block a linebacker.

  62. Meh Says:

    MadMax, we don’t have a third rounder. But even if we did, why would you do that? We’re in a position to get one of the best prospects at QB in this draft. Why would you intentionally take a lower prospect at the most important position? I like Shaw, don’t get me wrong. I also like guys like Mettenberger and Bortles, and they can be had in the 2nd probably. But I still wouldn’t pass on Bridgewater or Mariota for them.

  63. MadMax Says:

    @Meh, we dont have a 3rd at the moment (I know that), but during a shakeup that will probably occur, we’ll get it back. And Im all about Blake Bortles too….but still, when will LT be addressed? They are expensive if you try to sign one…..and picking where we will probably be, we could be set for 5 years or more.

  64. Couch Fan Says:

    I was watching a little bit of both Bridgewater and Mariota last night. Bridgewater looked efficient but not special. Mariota though, that guy looked real good. It was the first time I got a chance to watch whole games of them both.

  65. Couch Fan Says:

    I wonder what the Jags would want for Justin Blackmon… V-Jax, Mike Will and J. Blackmon…. Yea, yea, I’ll keep dreamin.

  66. MadMax Says:

    Trust me Couch, Im all over them, and Winston is a step above them. Dont get me wrong, I dont want to see us have a bad year next year too, but think about it. Under a new staff (thats likely to occur) and a slight rebuild (thats likely to occur) we just may end up in a chance to compete for Winston whether we’re picking top 5 or at #25. Theres always trades.

  67. Meh Says:

    A LT doesn’t get you championships – a franchise QB does. I’m all for taking a LT when we’re in the upper half of the first round, but this year we just HAVE to take a shot at a franchise QB. Then let’s get a TE and an OG with our next 2 picks. That plus the (hopeful) return of Nicks and Joseph will be a good line. Then next year we can start looking for Penn’s replacement.

    Bridgewater is surgical. He is really, really special. Mariota has a higher ceiling, he is more athletic. He’s also a single read QB (they don’t transition as well to the NFL) and a lot rawer. He has a much higher chance of busting than Bridgewater. I’d be very happy with either, but if it were my pick I’d take Bridgewater. We may not get a chance at Teddy unless the Jags win one (HAH!). I think Hundley is a step behind both those guys.

    Plus Teddy Bay is the best nickname ever.

  68. Meh Says:

    I like Winston a lot (pains me as a Gator fan to say it). He looks really good. He’s going to be #1 overall when he comes out. I just don’t think with new coaches we have any chance of getting him. We’re going to win some next year. Way to risky to wait.

  69. Couch Fan Says:

    I would be all for that to. I have no problem using this draft to build up the trenches and set up for Winston. Both lines need a major upgrade anyways. There are a lot of ways we can go. And every one of them sounds good right about now. Lol

  70. MadMax Says:

    Since your eyes (like mine) are on a hopeful return of Nicks and Joseph, then why are you pushing for a Guard instead of a tackle in the draft? Just curious….

  71. Meh Says:

    You don’t set up for Winston unless we’re going to go 0-16 again next year.

  72. Meh Says:

    Two main reasons MadMax.

    1. I’m not sure they both come back, and neither is anyone else. I hope they come back, but that’s not a plan. 2 guys coming off major injuries, we depended on having them both with no backup plan this year and how did that work out?

    2. Even if they both come back to 100%, we still have zero depth at guard. Meredith and Larsen are not NFL caliber players, even as backups. We need guard depth.

    Add those both up, and I think it spells “take a guard somewhere between rounds 2-4”.

  73. MadMax Says:

    Great point! Nice angle to view it at too. I guess Im just tired of Penn getting beat so much….and like you said, one more year is about all you can expect from him now (as a starter anyway).

  74. Meh Says:


    3. I think our tackles are fine, for now. Dotson is ascending. Penn is descending, but it looks like a slow decline to my eyes. I think he’s good through the end of his contract, barring injury.

  75. MadMax Says:

    “You don’t set up for Winston unless we’re going to go 0-16 again next year.”

    Theres always trades that can move us if need be.

  76. Meh Says:

    Yep, I’m definitely not saying Penn is good for the long haul. But he’s got a little left in the tank.

  77. Meh Says:

    Trading up for Winston would be even worse than the RG3 trade. It would set the franchise back for years and years.

    Don’t overthink it. If we’re picking top 3, take the best QB we can this year.

    Now if we fire Schiano, win some games, and end up in the 5-10 range I’m willing to rethink all of this. After Hundley I don’t think I take another one of those guys before the second round (or maybe a trade up to the late first).

  78. Meh Says:

    And what team that’s picking first is going to pass on Winston? 🙂

  79. Couch Fan Says:

    What your saying is the exact reason I dont think we should take a QB at all with this draft. I would be ok with giving Glennon another year and try to build around him. If he isnt any good then we can draft his replacement in the next draft. Just because there are a number of good QBs coming out this year doesn’t mean we HAVE to take one. Glennon hasen’t proven to be awful. At least not to me.

  80. Meh Says:

    It is not about Glennon. He isn’t awful, but he’s never going to be a franchise QB.

    We are not going to be picking top 5 next year, and next years QB class is not very good once you get past Winston.

    If you want a franchise QB, it almost has to be this year.

  81. MadMax Says:

    @Meh, a team with multiple needs.

    Kind of like us this year….Cleveland is sitting pretty with 2 first rounders. Dont you think it would be tempting for us if we are at #1 to give them our #1 for both of theirs? I’d be licking my chops at that one if I was GM, lol.

  82. Meh Says:

    I wouldn’t. I’d take Bridgewater and never look back.

  83. MadMax Says:


  84. MadMax Says:

    Id trade and take Matthews or Lewan and the next best wr/te….hopefully Watkins is still there. Then a QB in the 2nd or trade back into the first for one.

  85. Meh Says:

    And you’ll end up with a QB that has a much lower chance of being great. Historically QBs taken 2nd round and lower have a much worse track record. There are exceptions, but generally the drop off is really, really steep.

    I’m just going to keep saying it – Don’t overthink it. Take the best QB you can, but it will be a long time before you have another chance.

  86. MadMax Says:

    Oh I hear you loud and clear! Maybe we’ll do that. Its gonna be up to the new staff (hopefully theres a new staff) :-/

  87. Meh Says:

    There better be a new staff! I care more about that than who we pick in the draft lol!

  88. MadMax Says:

    Hell yeah, me too!

  89. PRBucFan Says:

    Listen you worry about everyone else wince you have your guy in place.

    First pick QB

  90. Bucs Fan Since '76 Says:

    Just curious. Why is Johnny Football not a legitimate first round option for us?

  91. PRBucFan Says:

    Manziel is a violation waiting to happen in the NFL

  92. Meh Says:

    Also his arm strength isn’t great and his durability is suspect. I think he’s a second rounder, but he’ll go in the last half of the first round since he’s a QB.