Suspension Won’t Change Schiano’s Approach
September 16th, 2013
The leader of the New Schiano Order made no mention of Dashon Goldson’s one-game suspension on his radio show this evening. However, the head coach made it clear that he has no interest in the Bucs’ dialing back their defensive intensity.
“One of the reasons we’re playing so well on defense is we’re playing so darn hard,” Schiano said earlier on WDAE-AM 620.
Schiano went on to say he’s fearful of anything that might take any of that intensity away.
Dashon Goldson will keep working on refining his “strike zone,” Schiano said, and Goldson will continue to hone his tackling craft without sacrificing playing fast, hard and, essentially, do what the Bucs are paying him $8 million a year to do.
Joe can’t blame Schiano for being disinterested in dialing back his defense’s bone-crushing approach. The defense is working. It’s not perfect, but it might be the team’s best hope unless a Josh Freeman revival occurs.
September 16th, 2013 at 7:44 pm
Joe, You sure know how to keep the hits coming on your website… MY HATS OFF TO YOU SIR !!!!!!!!
September 16th, 2013 at 7:48 pm
Wow. He’s out of his mind. He obviously cant see the problem with giving up 10+ penalties, 100+ yards a game????
I love hard hitting with a passion. But when the penalties cost you games, and multiple penalties cost you players, youre out of your mind!
Schiano is drunk with power. Like his BS stunts last season of rushing kneeling QBs when down by two scores. The guy is losing his mind, and his team.
With Goldson out, Bradys gonna carve up our secondary.
September 16th, 2013 at 8:00 pm
schiano is an idiot. sproiles is like 4 feet tall and when your trying to hit a guy already falling to the ground thats short as him how else can you hit him except to lead with your helmet, no one gets a clean shot on that guy. i’ve never seen a coach that is doing every one of his position coaches jobs like that on gameday, yelling at players as if their kids didnt do anything but make them lose focus. goldson was trying spearhead everyone that had the ball. guess we’ll be short a leader for one game and when he comes back because the coach isnt controlling him he’ll get suspended again. I love the way he plays when he’s being smart about it, last weeks hits were clean but this week not so much
September 16th, 2013 at 8:01 pm
joe’s a rockstar now
You guys are funny. Joe’s just doing the same thing he’s been doing since August 2008. It’s the readers who are rockstars coming by the tens of thousands every day.–Joe
September 16th, 2013 at 8:05 pm
This season is getting so ugly….
I can’t take another bad coaching hire if we do move on from Schiano
September 16th, 2013 at 8:06 pm
The Italian Stallion’s job is on a “death watch”. Boy did this thing go pear-shaped quickly.
September 16th, 2013 at 8:10 pm
We need Schiano to pull a Saban or better yet Petrino and bail mid-season. Not sure we’re that lucky,however.
September 16th, 2013 at 8:24 pm
I don’t like the penalties, even though I think many of them are completely ridiculous (not sure where Goldson is supposed to hit a 5’5″ player who falls down and lowers his head???). That being said, teams are going to take notice of us. If I’m a WR, I wouldn’t be too thrilled about coming across the middle. It would be very difficult for me to have my full concentration on the ball instead of the safeties. I would also imagine QB’s may think twice if they want their WR to not be killed too. I think in the long run, it may end up benefiting us, because it could keep everything toward the sidelines, aka Revis Island. Then again, a couple more hits like this and we may not have any more safeties eligible to play. I’m already nervous as to what the penalty is going to be on Goldson’s next infraction.
September 16th, 2013 at 8:27 pm
It really looks like we’re gonna have to get rid of Schiano.
And you know…….hire someone with some NFL experience!!
September 16th, 2013 at 8:28 pm
“joe’s a rockstar now”
agreed. Joe harnessed this hurricane and is spinning it into gold. a’ salut! Joe’s a businessman! Handle your business, man!
September 16th, 2013 at 8:29 pm
I think Mike Sullivan will be an amazing NFL head Coach…hum!!
Just Saying!
September 16th, 2013 at 8:32 pm
“We need Schiano to pull a Saban or better yet Petrino and bail mid-season. ”
woah……too soon on that Patrino statement. give his corpse time to decompose first… actually! whatever. fu(k Patrino.. I never knew him! and he never did sh!t for me… for all I know his looking the other way got a lot of little ones violated. fu(k him!
September 16th, 2013 at 8:33 pm
*nevermind. Im thinking of Joe Pa.
….but still, fu(k Joe Pa. he knew what was happening!
September 16th, 2013 at 8:35 pm
Schiano is here to stay for the entire season. Depending on the outcome of the season if the record shows,he will be here for a long while. So Tony you’ve got 15 more weeks of bitching about him to go. This should be fun to watch in here for awhile. That’s a little under 4 months. Enjoy.
September 16th, 2013 at 8:36 pm
wheres ’87s archive???? did I NOT say that if Goldson continues with this, it wont be fines, but penalties thatll fu(k our team????
September 16th, 2013 at 8:36 pm
there he is!
September 16th, 2013 at 8:38 pm
Can you imagine Dungy uttering the words that his defense is playing “so well” after giving up the winning last drive with the lead two weeks in a row?
Never in a million years.
This guy is a loser pure and simple.
September 16th, 2013 at 8:38 pm
LMFAO tony…Petrino I never knew him…ha ha ha Oh I meant Joe Pa. I have not laughed this hard in forever. Anyone that reads this stuff tony is going to bust out laughing on an otherwise gloomy day for Buc fans. You just made my night. Ha ha ha ha ha and ha.
September 16th, 2013 at 8:39 pm
it’s sad but it looks like the media everywhere called this one, it all started with the sloppy play in the preseason but yet schiano ignored the talked and still didnt play his starters very much. If he doesnt trust freeman then why wasnt he out there this preseason getting work? he could have mark sanchezed him and put him in the 4th quarter if he didnt like him so much. forget freeman, he set this entire team up for this 0-2 start. both the defense and offense are in the second year so schiano stick with defense and let your coaches do their job, their not getting paid to watch you do it for them
September 16th, 2013 at 8:41 pm
Put down the wine cooler, TonyTwoPumps!
September 16th, 2013 at 8:43 pm
his picture below the headline says it all. who in the nfl yells at grown men that way? i mean he’s yelling as if its going to change the referees mind or something, i’ve never seen anything like it before except managers going at it with umpires in baseball but he’d get ejected everynight
September 16th, 2013 at 8:44 pm
’87, dont think for a second that I’ll stoop to the level of Freeman haters and root for this team to lose.
you on the other hand, showed your true colors. complaining of all of us “over reacting after week 1”. you wanna come across as the ULTIMATE FAN, but dude, youre caving after week 2.
pull up your archive. Ive been consistent all preseason long. concerned about coaching moves. 1st stringers not getting time. coaches micromanaging. penalties not being addressed.
but Im man enough to admit that the MGM wins. they’ll get their QB… and if he’s under center, I’ll fu(kin root for him with every ounce of my red and pewter blood. and if he blows, watch how I wont rub it in.
THATS a REAL fan. I support the players on the field! period!
September 16th, 2013 at 8:44 pm
I saw the sign outside of the thread that said Schiano Bashfest so I clicked the comments button.
September 16th, 2013 at 8:45 pm
I support the coach and the players.
September 16th, 2013 at 8:46 pm
shot out to nfl schedule makers for knowing we would need a bye week so soon
September 16th, 2013 at 8:47 pm
’87 – “Anyone that reads this stuff tony is going to bust out laughing on an otherwise gloomy day for Buc fans. You just made my night. Ha ha ha ha ha and ha.”
Just helpin Joe get his hits. Uh hah….ha……….ha.
September 16th, 2013 at 8:49 pm
Schiano maybe changes jobs soon if this team goes full mutiny!
September 16th, 2013 at 8:50 pm
Leeman Bennett, Ray Perkins, Richard Williamson … Greg Schiano
September 16th, 2013 at 8:51 pm
speakin of Mutiny, Tampa needs a MLS team again…. weve got too much pent up agression. we need a venue to get our soccer hooligan on! you can only beat the pu$$y up so much.
September 16th, 2013 at 8:53 pm
Eric…his DEFENSE did everything for the team the whole game. The offense was futile. His defense shut Brees down virtually the whole game. Last time I checked a lot of people around these parts consider the Saints a high powered offense. Some posters were predicting a 41-6 beat down prior to the game. Those were Buc fans. So you can shut right up about the defense letting this team down. If this team had any shred of offense this team would be 2-0 right now.
Tony…Your making me laugh even harder now. Of course no one in my house can hear it though as I have no voice from going to the game. Won’t have one for about 2 more days either. A real fan like me holds up a sign by the escalator that said Be Loud Today for about an hour. High fiving every fan and hooting and hollering as they went up the escalator.
September 16th, 2013 at 8:54 pm
I’ll be back later. Have fun.
September 16th, 2013 at 8:55 pm
JonBuc – “Put down the wine cooler, TonyTwoPumps!”
TonyTwoPumps, before your mother gushes.
September 16th, 2013 at 9:02 pm
Shiano took over a shit team with the biggest bunch of losers I’ve ever seen. it will take time to turn it around. There are still holes that need to be filled. I understand we have some talent but too many holes with a below average QB. BTW, Shiano was right about Freeman. Shiano was brought here to instill toughness, and defense. He has done that in little over one season. I warned everyone to not put too much expectations…hate to say I told you so.
September 16th, 2013 at 9:04 pm
Leeman Bennett, Ray Perkins, Richard Williamson … Greg Schiano?
September 16th, 2013 at 9:04 pm
thats alright ’87. you put your work in as a fan. but thats the extent of your support. High fives and signs.
Im not unlike you 87. I go to games. Ive lost my voice PLENTY of times! But when we struggle, I try and get to the root of the problem. Look beyond statistics. Its critical thinking that sets us apart, like they teach you in college. Think outside the box. Never take anything for face value. Question Everything.
So when you step out of your position of blind faith, you see the big picture. And when it makes too much sense, I call it. And I say Schiano is simply over his head.
September 16th, 2013 at 9:04 pm
@Eric,
You are dead wrong about Dungy. He was just about always very positive about his team to the media. You are simply having revisionist history because you don’t like Schiano. That being said, I think I’m finally with you that Schiano is not the guy. Looks like you’ve been right the whole time. I don’t think it has as much to do with his ability to coach as it does his inability to coach grown men. It’s as if he thinks these are college players, and he refuses to treat them like it. He appears to be stubborn to the point where he’d rather lose and do things his way than win and do things the right way. That’s troubling. I don’t blame the players one bit for getting sick of being treated like children. It’s not supposed to be that way in the professional ranks in any sport.
September 16th, 2013 at 9:08 pm
Ultimately, we lost the game because of a combination of Schiano not trusting Freeman and Freeman not being trustworthy. I almost see it as a 50/50 split. Perhaps Schiano has Freeman playing robotic, or even scared, but that’s going to be awful difficult to prove. I know that if Freeman was anywhere in the neighborhood of being a good QB, he wouldn’t let Schiano do that to him. It’s just a bad situation that will definitely end in one being gone, but quite possible both. In the end, that may be the best solution.
September 16th, 2013 at 9:12 pm
Eric Says:
September 16th, 2013 at 8:38 pm
“Can you imagine Dungy uttering the words that his defense is playing “so well” after giving up the winning last drive with the lead two weeks in a row?”
“Never in a million years”
“This guy is a loser pure and simple.”
This has to be the DUMBEST statement in the history of JBF. Would anyone else like to weigh in on this? So Eric what your essentially saying is the defense let us down for 2 weeks in a row? Did you watch the same game that I did?
September 16th, 2013 at 9:13 pm
I am disgusted with Schiano’s late game handling of the offense, but with this issue and defense, I’m with him all the way. I love bone crushing defense and the Bucs are sending a clear message to receivers. The linebackers are swarming. Don’t change anything with the defense except the target area. If you miss, oh well you tried, the other player will suffer and all others will think twice.
I am so torn right now on coach, but I think he will right the ship. Like I said, keep holding opponents to 16 pts not less and you will make the playoffs. That’s my story and I’m sticking to it, but will the defense?
September 16th, 2013 at 9:13 pm
What an enormous group of p-ssys we have as fans. We finally have a fast hard hitting defense and all anybody can do is bitch. This defense is the only thing keeping us in these games, no matter what Eric says after he pokes his head out from under that rock.
You’d have to be blind as a bat to blame these loses on the defense.
September 16th, 2013 at 9:17 pm
Yes! Please lets get rid of Schiano! Anyone who can turn one of the worst defenses in the NFL around in one year should be run out of town on a rail! Let’s get someone who has NFL experience. 18 games is enough to know he has no hope of getting us to the playoffs. Bring back Rah!!
September 16th, 2013 at 9:19 pm
If the FG was good we win and Schiano is 1-1 right now. He ran the ball on 3 and 6 with how many minutes left on the clock? A minute 40 something. The Saints had no timeouts. He ran the ball Martin got 3 yrds, the clock kept running to setup a FG. If he passes the ball and it’s incomplete. The clock stops running and it’s a longer FG kick. Schiano did what most coaches would have done in that situation. Unfortunately the Bucs have no QB to help them put points on the board throughout the game or else the coach would have never had to be conservative in the end to begin with. The defense matched the offense in total points scored 7-7. Pathetic. The blame lies on the offense period.
September 16th, 2013 at 9:20 pm
@ hawaiian
“I don’t blame the players one bit for getting sick of being treated like children.”
Explain to me how you know this is how they are treated.
September 16th, 2013 at 9:20 pm
Bring back Rah! LOL that’s funny.
September 16th, 2013 at 9:22 pm
“If the FG was good we win and Schiano is 1-1 right now. He ran the ball on 3 and 6 with how many minutes left on the clock? A minute 40 something. The Saints had no timeouts. He ran the ball Martin got 3 yrds, the clock kept running to setup a FG. If he passes the ball and it’s incomplete. The clock stops running and it’s a longer FG kick. Schiano did what most coaches would have done in that situation. Unfortunately the Bucs have no QB to help them put points on the board throughout the game or else the coach would have never had to be conservative in the end to begin with. The defense matched the offense in total points scored 7-7. Pathetic. The blame lies on the offense period.”
DING DING DING DING DING….We have a winner!
September 16th, 2013 at 9:22 pm
If the field goal was good Brees would have scored a TD. He needed to go for it on 4’th down. Nothing else guarantees a win. When you shoot the head the body goes limp.
September 16th, 2013 at 9:23 pm
So far, the defense is fine, even though it’s only been two games. Our team has struggled for years at putting up a good game on both sides of the ball. The games our defense plays well, the offense stinks. The days the offense plays well, the defense can’t stop anyone. It would sure be nice to change that on Sunday.
If you give Drew Brees that many opportunities to beat you, eventually what happened yesterday is going to happen. I don’t care if the defense is the ’85 Bears. Our defense was on the field practically the entire game, with absolutely no help from the offense. I mean nothing. We may end the year with more penalties than first downs if this continues. But it’s complete blind hate to say, as Eric suggests, that our defense hasn’t been playing well. Who knows if it will continue, but so far, so good. A little offense would be nice.
September 16th, 2013 at 9:24 pm
Perhaps you’d like to take that statement back Eric?
As for everyone else that seems to think that Schiano plays more of a role in the offensive play calling. Tell me how you know that? tonytwocents wants to put Sully as HC. You know the one that runs the offense. The pathetic one that is.
September 16th, 2013 at 9:24 pm
I think you need to give players and coaches a minimum of 2 years to see what you have. However, this is bad. They can’t even get plays and personnel out on time. Hopefully this gets turned around very soon, if coach sticks to his ways he’s probably gone because this team probably will have a poor record this year.
September 16th, 2013 at 9:25 pm
Also please get some creativity and balls on offense. No one wants to see Dungy ball again
September 16th, 2013 at 9:25 pm
“Its critical thinking that sets us apart, like they teach you in college. Think outside the box.”
TonyTwoCents,
Is all that critical thinking outside the box what led you to believe that Schiano forces Jfro to wear a knee brace so to shackle him from running too much?
September 16th, 2013 at 9:26 pm
Running Martin on 3’rd down was a good call to keep the clock moving. Run it again on 4’th. Run Josh same as he did earlier. Stop playing it safe. Play to win because you’re going to lose anyway.
September 16th, 2013 at 9:26 pm
BigMacAttack…yes I would have liked to have gone for it too, but what if they don’t make the 1st down. Then what? Brees still has the ball right and only needing FG just the same.
September 16th, 2013 at 9:27 pm
@gotbucs,
First example, toes on the line. That’s really more of a high school thing, but certainly not professional. Second example, forcing Freeman to wear a knee brace. Third example, bum rushing the kneel down (it will never work with 100 tries in the NFL, I don’t care what anyone says). Would you like for me to continue, because I can go on all day?
September 16th, 2013 at 9:28 pm
@Buc1987
This offense hasn’t scored a point yet this year that the defense hasn’t set them up for off of a turnover.
I’ll call it right now. I don’t think we will see a change at QB during the bye week, I think we will see a change at play caller on the sideline. Sullivan and McNullty will be trading jobs.
September 16th, 2013 at 9:28 pm
“This has to be the DUMBEST statement in the history of JBF. Would anyone else like to weigh in on this? So Eric what your essentially saying is the defense let us down for 2 weeks in a row? Did you watch the same game that I did?”
’87, youre stuck in the matrix. take the red pill…..and lemme get a few of those purple pills too.
our D gave up the scoring drive with 34 seconds left, and under 2 minutes left. I LOVE OUR D! dont get me wrong. but a GREAT defense, CLOSES.
A.B.C. – Always. Be. Closing.
September 16th, 2013 at 9:30 pm
tonytwocents wants Sully to take over as HC. The same guy that runs this pathetic offense. Well then they can wait til after the season. Throw Sully out there to see who wants him. I bet there won’t be any takers for this QB coach turned OC to be a teams next HC. What a joke if I every saw one….
September 16th, 2013 at 9:31 pm
Exactly BigMac, Brees would have just got a TD. I can honestly say this isn’t hindsight because I texted my friend this on first down. I told him we should run a bootleg with an option to pass on SECOND down. NO would have never expected that in a million years, and it would have given us the best chance to pick up the game winning first down. On third and six, the defense has the ability to play pass and not have to sell out on the run. That’s exactly what they did, and we all know the end result.
September 16th, 2013 at 9:32 pm
No matter what happens I love his the defense is built. They’re strong young and tough as nails. They’re built for longevity.
The Bucs will still make the playoffs. Josh will be the QB and Schiano will trust him. I’m not giving in yet.
September 16th, 2013 at 9:33 pm
How the defense is built. Autocorrect abuses me
September 16th, 2013 at 9:34 pm
tonytwocents…the D kept the Bucs in the game for the entire effing game until the very end? They played like hell out there against Brees a future hall of famer. They were constantly on the field the entire game…and shutting the Saints high powered offense down. It should have never been that way if the offense would have done anything the whole damn game. It would have never came down to 34 seconds left.
September 16th, 2013 at 9:34 pm
McNullty??? Did you see the way VJ shoved him out of his face??? They dont respect McNulty. But I DO think thats Schianos plan once he gets rid of Freeman, make McNulty the OC.
Sully is Doms guy, and Schiano is undermining him. Omce Sully is gone after Freeman, then Schiano has one last chess piece to take down before the game is his – Dominik….. Unles the Brothers step in.
Schianos power crazed asss wants it all, HC & GM…..Just like his buddy Belicheat.
September 16th, 2013 at 9:35 pm
Is the Sully ran Buc offense capable of scoring more than 7 points a game on their own?
September 16th, 2013 at 9:35 pm
Sullivan for Head Coach
I’m a fan and i approve this message
September 16th, 2013 at 9:35 pm
@ Hawaiian
Yes, please continue because everything you just said was complete bullsh!t.
September 16th, 2013 at 9:36 pm
totally 100% agree ’87 – “tonytwocents…the D kept the Bucs in the game for the entire effing game until the very end? They played like hell out there against Brees a future hall of famer. They were constantly on the field the entire game…and shutting the Saints high powered offense down. It should have never been that way if the offense would have done anything the whole damn game. It would have never came down to 34 seconds left.”
which is why we should have went for the kill……Schiano’s soft dude. It oozes through his personality and onto the field… He tightens up during crunch time and plays not to lose.
September 16th, 2013 at 9:36 pm
I really don’t think Sullivan is able to truly call the plays. It looks to me as if Schiano has his hands in everything. I would be absolutely amazed if Schiano handed him the keys and let him do what he wanted. What about Schiano’s personality has ever led you to believe that he is capable of that?
September 16th, 2013 at 9:37 pm
“Is the Sully ran Buc offense capable of scoring more than 7 points a game on their own?”
we’ll never know as long as Schiano over asserts himself into the playcalling.
September 16th, 2013 at 9:38 pm
Sully calls his own plays. The offense is ran by Sully. That’s the guy everyone should be running out of town. Of course tony2cents does not see it that way he thinks Schiano is meddling in Sully’s offense. Good lord anyone can see what the problem is here and it’s not on the defensive side of the ball.
September 16th, 2013 at 9:38 pm
are you starting to see a pattern now -87?
September 16th, 2013 at 9:38 pm
@Tony
That was Garrett getting shoved out of the way, not McNullty, but nice try.
September 16th, 2013 at 9:40 pm
And I still say Josh played a good game yesterday and no one can convince me otherwise. He improved in week two. Guys have to catch tough passes that are there. Someone pls watch the replay and look at some of the misses, drops , Saints interference, and penalties. The refs targeted the Bucs and ignored the Saints defense.
September 16th, 2013 at 9:41 pm
And Schiano doesnt let sullivan call plays. I think if we’re gonna keep playing Freeman we mite as well let the reigns off and let him play football; stop being conservative.
September 16th, 2013 at 9:41 pm
Ha ha ha this is hilarious…I think it’s a conspiracy man. Schiano is conniving behind everyone’s back. = tony2cents
September 16th, 2013 at 9:42 pm
“Sully calls his own plays. The offense is ran by Sully. That’s the guy everyone should be running out of town. Of course tony2cents does not see it that way he thinks Schiano is meddling in Sully’s offense. Good lord anyone can see what the problem is here and it’s not on the defensive side of the ball.”
dude, you are blind from the Schiano kool aid. remember how we were mesmerized at how the MGM could be so blind to criticize any other aspect other than QB?? well youre doing the same thing with Schiano. youre trying your hardest to divert blame from schiano. sorry we lost you brother.
September 16th, 2013 at 9:42 pm
Where did you guys get the frequencies for the coaches headsets that you know that Schiano is calling the offensive plays?
September 16th, 2013 at 9:43 pm
@gotbucs,
Why is that BS? Have you ever heard of another professional coach using a “toes on the line” approach? Even Parcells, Coughlin, and Belicheck don’t do stuff like that. I know it sounds good to most people, but you don’t understand how professional athletes are wired. Even if they do it, I promise you they think it is stupid. Name me another coach that forces his QB to wear a knee brace, especially when that player has no history of knee injuries. As for the kneel down, the players themselves said they were just doing what they were told. They don’t want to do it. If you ever listened to any of their interviews, it wouldn’t take a shrink to figure that out. It was bush league back then, and it’s bush league now. It’s college crap that will ever work. You know it just as well as I do.
September 16th, 2013 at 9:43 pm
or maybe youre just sh!tfaced,,,, then I understand.
September 16th, 2013 at 9:45 pm
tony2cents who shot JFK?
September 16th, 2013 at 9:45 pm
No doubt Sullivan calls the plays. However, I have very little doubt that Schiano has a huge influence on what type of plays to call (if you saw the SoundFX from last year, it showed Schiano telling Sullivan to take a shot right now). I have no problem with that, as a head coach is ultimately responsible for everything. If he wants to tell Sullivan what to call, he has every right to do so.
September 16th, 2013 at 9:45 pm
HawaiianBuc is right. Schiano’s stubbornness and incompetence are what is causing the losses despite the bad offense. He has demonstrated numerous times he’s not a good game day coach. As bad as Freeman has played, he won’t let him run or roll out where he is better.
Did you notice Freeman found his TE last night when he rolled out of the pocket? With all his macho discipline, he doesn’t have the stones to try for a first down to try to win the game. He coaches scared and his players know it. I hope the Glazers get rid of him, and Dominik and Freeman when the season is mercifully over. Bring in Lovie Smith and a good OC, bring in Marinelli as DC and we’ll be fine.
September 16th, 2013 at 9:46 pm
“sorry we lost you brother.” LMAO who is we?
September 16th, 2013 at 9:47 pm
Our team has progressed faster than our head coach. He has a few days left to catch up.
September 16th, 2013 at 9:47 pm
good night ’87.
September 16th, 2013 at 9:48 pm
Who here thinks Dungy would have done the same thing on 3 and 6? Me.
Who here thinks Gruden would of done the same thing on 3 and 6? Not me.
September 16th, 2013 at 9:49 pm
Mickey Mouse for HC.
September 16th, 2013 at 9:50 pm
g’nite tony lol
September 16th, 2013 at 9:51 pm
When you know you have an inept QB who can throw into triple coverage at any point, how can you trust him with the game on the line in that situation?
September 16th, 2013 at 9:52 pm
Of you want a seasoned coach hire who???
Cowher, Gruden, Billick none of which would come here. Everybody hates the Bucs. Refs hate the Bucs. They are cursed and only a college coach would take the job. And a great deal of our so called fans suck.
September 16th, 2013 at 9:52 pm
The Bucs lost 2 close games. It’s not like anyone is blowing them out of the stadium. You people act like this is Raheem 2011 days again and it’s only week 2.
September 16th, 2013 at 9:53 pm
Freeman completed 9 whole passes for a whopping 125 yards.
The TE for the Saints, Jimmy Graham, had 10 catches for 170 + yards.
Both Freeman and Graham had a TD through the air.
Pretty sad when the TE for the other team outproduces your QB.
September 16th, 2013 at 9:54 pm
@1987,
Ask yourself this: On the last series, do you believe that Sullivan wanted to run the ball 3 consecutive times? You don’t think there’s ANY influence from Schiano on that one? Schiano even said himself in the press conference that they all wanted to run that “specialty run play” on 3rd and 6. That sure does tell me that Schiano at least was involved in that decision (which again, he has every right to). Of course if Schiano says he wants to keep the ball on the ground, Sullivan is going to oblige. Schiano is involved in EVERYTHING this team does. Everything from what temperature the room is, to what they eat, to how they stand, to what plays are called.
September 16th, 2013 at 9:54 pm
Coach we are 0-2 and the penalties area huge part of us losing! I am an accountant and even I know what is killing us!
September 16th, 2013 at 9:54 pm
BigMacAttack Says:
September 16th, 2013 at 9:52 pm
“Of you want a seasoned coach hire who???”
“Cowher, Gruden, Billick none of which would come here. Everybody hates the Bucs. Refs hate the Bucs. They are cursed and only a college coach would take the job. And a great deal of our so called fans suck.”
That’s good stuff man. It is what it is.
September 16th, 2013 at 9:55 pm
Revis jus said he’s unhappy with schiano and his play calling…. Hmm?
September 16th, 2013 at 9:56 pm
Hawaiian Buc …I’m not talking about the last series of the game. I think Schiano was fully involved in all of that and I don’t fault him for it. Dungy would have done the same damn thing, and I love Dungy like family.
September 16th, 2013 at 9:57 pm
Man Steelers had to call a timeout cause wrong personnel and 12 men on offense, Tomlin needs to go undisciplined coach. Then Big Ben over throws a receiver, who would have thought that was possible. Guys the sky is not falling. Wish we had fans that stuck with their team instead of trying to get rid of everyone every year…..GO BUCS!!!!!
September 16th, 2013 at 9:57 pm
Sully’s job is to put points on the board. Am I right or wrong?
September 16th, 2013 at 9:59 pm
Just saw Burfect launch and go helmet to helmet on Steelers receiver and no flag.
September 16th, 2013 at 9:59 pm
“Man Steelers had to call a timeout cause wrong personnel and 12 men on offense, Tomlin needs to go undisciplined coach.”
KWBucFan ..exactly.
September 16th, 2013 at 10:01 pm
There were flags that could have been thrown at the Saints D on 3 separate occasions. The refs chose to not do it.
September 16th, 2013 at 10:02 pm
@1987,
So you think Schiano only has influence on the last series? You think he just sits back and lets Sullivan do his thing up until that series? i don’t know dude, I don’t. Schiano has his fingerprints on everything this team does. I don’t see Sullivan beating Martin into a brick wall like that in week 1. I don’t see Sullivan running that many tight formations (6 lineman and only 2 WR’s). That’s not what he came from at NYG. This offense has very little similarity to anything they ever ran in NY, at least to the eye. We may just be the only team that uses the fullback more than the slot receiver, and it’s not even close. I think you really need to step back and take a look at the big picture, and realize who’s running the show here.
September 16th, 2013 at 10:04 pm
Freeman played a worse defense than he did in week 1 and put up worse numbers. Not sure how that qualifies as improvement. Every one needs to watch the mistakes. These rookie mistakes cannot be happening for a 5th year player. He still is not making multiple reads. He knows who he’s going to before the snap, and after 3 or 4 seconds if thats not there, then its plan b. Except thats where the sacks and turnovers come from. It needs to be out in 2 and a half and if not, start running again!
September 16th, 2013 at 10:05 pm
Don’t compare Schiano to Mike Tomlin. Paleazzze!!! Yeah, let’s compare a super bowl winning coach to ours. We are having the same penalties over and over and over again, that’s the problem. Twice called for not having your players line up on the line – in the same game!!!!! Even John Lynch, who is a complete homer, said that is unacceptable. He said it shouldn’t happen at the pop warner level. He also brought up the botched snap on the safety last week. But I guess Lynch knows nothing, we are just fine, it’s only week 2.
September 16th, 2013 at 10:06 pm
Hawaiian Buc…I think Schiano knows he does not know jack shyte about offense. Only how to stop one.
September 16th, 2013 at 10:09 pm
@ Hawaiian
Are you really blaming those player brain farts on the coach? Good lord, I’m done for the night.
September 16th, 2013 at 10:10 pm
“Twice called for not having your players line up on the line – in the same game!!!!! Even John Lynch, who is a complete homer, said that is unacceptable.”
Those are veteran players I would think it is there job to line up right in the first place. Dave Moore said it on the radio calling the game. It’s as simple as asking the ref if they are lined up right or not. He said a lot of players do it before the snap. All you have to do is ask the side ref if they are lined up right. Evn said he has done it on different occasions. Said the refs are happy to help them out and will.
September 16th, 2013 at 10:11 pm
gotbbucs Says:
September 16th, 2013 at 10:09 pm
“@ Hawaiian
Are you really blaming those player brain farts on the coach? Good lord, I’m done for the night.”
G’night man. I understand. I hear ya. It’s on the player itself not the coach.
September 16th, 2013 at 10:13 pm
@gotbucs,
Actually, John Lynch did. I just happen to agree.
September 16th, 2013 at 10:14 pm
They did have a QB that help them put 6 on the board with Jackson. And everyone of you were jumping up and down, yelling, high fives and all. How Great a play. Freeman was a hero, Until you saw the FLAG. Nice you always forget to give a QB credit for that. Was it his fault sameone screwed that up? Our coach was dumb? One of the rules is you don’t take points off the board. What did Payton do? Damn near cost him the game. Wonder how their fans would be talking if they had lost over that?
The person on offense you should be looking at is the OC. They passed on 1st down 2 times . You can’t be in 3rd and long most of the day and expect to score. They are predictable. Any defense knows what they a going to do.
September 16th, 2013 at 10:14 pm
” He also brought up the botched snap on the safety last week.”
Let me get this straight that’s on the coach too? A veteran center snapped the ball when no one was ready and that’s the coach’s fault? Are you serious? Okay I’m leaving now too. Lynch was not faulting the coach Hawaiian Buc he was faulting the players.
September 16th, 2013 at 10:16 pm
Your right, so why has the offense regressed so much? If our d was pretty good last year we win 10-11 games. No it appears to be very good. Not getting or drafting a really good TE was retarded, unless Crabtree does something good. Sticker us horrific
September 16th, 2013 at 10:18 pm
Lynch’s Pop Warner reference was about what the PLAYER learned along time ago.
G’night Buc fans. We need either 1 of 2 things either a new QB or a new OC.
September 16th, 2013 at 10:18 pm
The coach is responsible for his team. If they don’t line up correctly, it’s because they didn’t practice that enough, or emphasize it enough. Have you ever seen another team do it twice in one game? Is that really because we have stupid players? It’s kind of ironic that a coach that emphasizes toes on the line can’t get his team lined up correctly, don’t you think. Also, look how long it takes us to get our substitutions in. That’s coaching fellas. That’s not on the players. I agree that the players are ultimately to blame, because they are the ones on the field committing the penalties, but if you think for one second that the coach is free of the blame, then tell Tanard Jackson I said hello. Stop providing blind support and open your eyes to reality. Again, I’m going to lean towards believing John Lynch more than ANYONE on this site.
September 16th, 2013 at 10:20 pm
oh and a TE would help tremendously…gooood night!
September 16th, 2013 at 10:21 pm
@1987,
You are incorrect sir. Don’t know how you would know anyway, you were at the game. He absolutely was blaming the coach for the botched snap too. You are getting out of control here 1987. Last week, you were in love with Freeman. Your eyes have been opened. Now you are blindly supporting Schiano. I know you are smarter than this. I respect and admire that you are being supportive, but you are so wrong it’s not even funny.
September 16th, 2013 at 10:22 pm
Stocker is
September 16th, 2013 at 10:22 pm
Anything to deflect the blame off there man crush.
September 16th, 2013 at 10:23 pm
@1987,
It was botched because the guard tapped the center, which is how they do the silent count. As every expert has said, that’s a totally unnecessary step in the process. That’s coaching buddy. Follow me?
September 16th, 2013 at 10:24 pm
I doubt Schiano tells his players to commit “dirty” plays. There’s a difference between that and preaching tough defense. It’s up to the players to not with their helmets.
September 16th, 2013 at 10:25 pm
Funny how you are trying to argue with me on what Lynch said, even though you didn’t even hear him say it. Then to avoid having to admit what we all know, you say goodnight. Oh my.
September 16th, 2013 at 10:26 pm
Hawaiian,
You’re talking out of both sides of your mouth tonight. You say it is bush league, college stuff to do “toes on the line”, yet when Demar Dotson doesn’t get his toes close enough to the line during a game it’s Schiano’s fault?
I’m sure if he had a drill where he taught everyone how to line up properly, you would scoff that that is amateurish, college crap.
September 16th, 2013 at 10:31 pm
The Bucs really are just a couple plays away from being 2-0. They need to stick together as a team with Freeman as their QB and prop each other up. Have each others backs. They’ll get there soon.
Coaches have to believe in their players as much as the players believe in themselves and I believe that is the crux of the problem.
September 16th, 2013 at 10:39 pm
@lightningbuc,
No, that’s exactly what he should be doing (having his players line up on the line properly instead of doing it while drinking water at practice). And once again for the third time, Lynch is the one that said it, I just agreed. And to quote me correctly, I said bum rushing the kneel down is bush league. I promise you there are more people on my side than there are who are for it.
For the mentally impaired, I’m going to explain things one last time. The players definitely bear some of the blame for the stupid mistakes. However, why don’t other teams have difficulty lining up? Why don’t other teams have trouble substituting? Why don’t other teams get 2 delay of game penalties following a time out? I’m sure it’s all the fault of the players.
September 16th, 2013 at 10:42 pm
I’ve been a Schiano guy from day one. I’ve argued with people like Eric and Captain Tim on numerous occasions. But I’m man enough to say when I’m wrong. The blame does not fall on any one person 100%, but it’s amazing to me how people are literally giving them no blame for anything. How can you not blame a coach when a team can’t line up properly – repetitively!!!! How can you not blame a QB when he can’t throw a simple screen pass without the receiver having to contort his body to catch the ball? Yet you have no problem blaming the offensive coordinator, the refs, and the media? Just don’t get where you guys are coming from. And I’m actually glad I don’t.
September 16th, 2013 at 10:43 pm
I am not a great Freeman fan but let’s look at this. Everyone keeps talking about the great Brees and his stats. Just what did that get him. 2 a little work FGs. 1 Free Blown coverage TD. And 1 hurry up fairly easy FG. (our defense is no prevent defense ) And on top of that 2 ints. So Now what we know is it took the Bucs to shoot themselves in the foot at the end for the Saints to win. All his great QB stats ? 200,300 yds pass is not what wins games all the time. Sometime it is just pure luck beng on your side.
September 16th, 2013 at 10:44 pm
What a bunch of whiny ass bitches on here. Wtf.
September 16th, 2013 at 10:47 pm
Woodley just hit Dalton with the same hit as Claiborne and guess what? No flag.
September 16th, 2013 at 10:48 pm
Sure Dungy was positive but I specifically remember him saying the defense could never use lack of scoring by the offense as an excuse. Score yourself and win the game. It was one of his mantras.
It’s not a question of the defense costing us the game, it’s that two opportunities were lost to close games out. that’s hardly great defense. If the closing relief pitcher gets two outs then gives up a winning home run its a bad performance. even if his team hadn’t scored any runs.
Dungy’s super high standards defensively was what led to the turnaround. Ask the players that played for him. He would have never said what Schiano said.
September 16th, 2013 at 10:49 pm
@BucFan20,
We were in the game because of our defense and Doug Martin. We didn’t score any points that the defense didn’t give us (our offensive TD was the result of a turnover). Without those 2, the Saints destroy us. Brees and his stats have a Super Bowl, plus a 2-0 record. Not a very good example. They win because of their QB. We win in spite of our QB (that is, when we win).
September 16th, 2013 at 10:49 pm
smh…. Mike Glennon Mob mentality. You think with your hate & emotions.
when we have problems….ACROSS THE BOARD!!!!!!!!…..
Freeman!!
O-Line!!!!
Dropped Passes!!!!!
Penalties!!!!!
Offensive PlayCalling!!!!
Game Planning!!!!
O-Line Coaching!!!!!
Defensive Discipline!!!!!
is it JUST Freeman??? does Freeman control all of THESE aspects??? no??? well guess who does??
September 16th, 2013 at 10:50 pm
@Eric,
Schiano didn’t say our defense was great. He said they played well except for a couple plays. Would you not agree? Again, obviously I’m not supporting Freeman, but you are piling on.
September 16th, 2013 at 10:50 pm
good fu(kin night!!!
September 16th, 2013 at 10:54 pm
So in a corner we have an unproven HC idiot enough to continue to embrace the hit hard defense who can’t apply its #1 mantra “toes on the line and discipline”
On the other side we have Revis, worth 96M$ rightly complaining about zone coverage usage, 55M$ VJ that just push out the coach and decided he had enough of that crap and got back on the field, a franchise QB that was destroyed by Schiano since the end of last season that won’t even come back if we pay him Manning Money, Penn that throw its helmet mad as hell at the very first game of the year.. Others will come out if they lose next week
I can already script the post game conference:
Reporter: coach, you got 150 penalty yards in the game don’t you think you should change your coaching?
Schiano: no, we got issue, line got to block better, qb got to throw better, we got to coach better, receiver got to catch better, blahblahblah we gonna fix this
I’m sorry but including preseason it’s 6 games that the Bucs should be ready. Only 2 now where they can’t use the we-evaluate-the-player excuse or are they still think it evaluation time?..
Dominick.Schiano.Freeman gotta go, all for different reasona but we need a major change.
September 16th, 2013 at 10:58 pm
Should be, I’m not supporting SCHIANO.
September 16th, 2013 at 11:03 pm
Our offense has 1 FG drive this year without the defense setting it up. We still don’t have a TD drive that started on our side of the field. What the hell has happened after the 6-4 start last year?
September 16th, 2013 at 11:11 pm
Hawaiian Buc…Did Lynch blame the coach for the mistakes or the players? I was at the game but I did DVR it. So don’t lie. What did he say exactly? I highly doubt he blamed Schiano for the lack of VETERAN players not lining up correctly. Remember I did DVR it and I will go back and fast forward and rewind until I hear him blame the coach for the lack of lining up right on the plays. Did he blame Schiano for it? That’s a yes or no answer.
September 16th, 2013 at 11:13 pm
Have any of you ever played football ??? you guy are idiots, blame the coach for offsides and those penalties. I never saw a coach tell a lineman to jump offsides, the players are responsible for not committing the penalties. they are on the field and have to pay attention, the coach puts them in position to execute and professional that make 5mill a yr. have to perform..
Media blasts schiano cause he doesnt talk to them enough, poor media..
September 16th, 2013 at 11:14 pm
Sometimes I wish I would change teams just based on the fans alone. I really feel like Bucs fans are the worst.
That being said, we don’t really know how much of a hand Schiano has on the actual game day calling of plays. Gotbbucs is correct in his rhetorical statement of us fans having the frequencies of the coaches headsets. What we do know is that Schiano does like to have his hand in everything, so it’s safe to assume that Sully has choices impacted in some way but we cannot assume the amount of freedom he actually has.
@Hawaiian Buc
Feel free to prove me wrong, but unless you were a professional athlete or worked closely with them, how can you say how they are wired? Again, feel free to correct me if you are/were in that capacity. I don’t disagree with Schiano bringing his coaching style/flair to the NFL. It’s his ability to adapt that I question. Like all ideas, it’s genius if it works but idiocy if it doesn’t. And in a time when the time became a country club, I embraced the reform that Schiano brought of tough “toes on the line” discipline. Like I said, I question his ability to adapt. Adapt both in gameday and to the strengths and weaknesses of his personnel.
The kneel down fiasco I actually applaud. How can you tell a team, who is down only one possession, to just roll over and give up? That’s why they play the game until the clock hits 0:00. If that was the mentality of the game, then some of the greatest plays would never have happened. If it’s a 2 possession plus game with zero chance of getting 2 possessions, then yes, be sportsmanlike and call it. But that was not the case.
I guess I am just disgusted by all the assumptions that the media and the fans make, acting like they know what happens behind closed doors. Analysis is one thing but pure speculations is getting out of hand.
I was once a fan of Schiano, like how I was once a fan of Freeman, but I think change will be needed by mid-season if things don’t turn around. I hope it does. I hope Schiano adapts. I hope Freeman tightens up his loose screws.
If Schiano doesn’t, I like the idea once mentioned of giving him the boot and naming Sully as interim. Then we can see what we have in Sully before next season.
If Freeman doesn’t get his act together, then Glennon should start ONLY if he can truly beat him in practice. If he cannot do that, like how he couldn’t do that in camp or preseason, then he has no business starting. To do so would only be throwing the season away. Anyone who wants to throw a season away is not a true fan. It’s a poisonous attitude that only weakens your locker room.
Here’s to week 3! Our defense is exciting to watch and I hope the offense can stop being offensive.
September 16th, 2013 at 11:15 pm
@1987,
YES
September 16th, 2013 at 11:17 pm
bucrightoff..what happened was the Bucs have one of two problems. They have Sully who was a QB coach for the Giants turned OC for the Bucs that the rest of the NFL has figured out his playcalling or Freeman has regressed. It’s that simple.
Schiano is the second coming of Dungy and some of these foolish Buc fans want to throw him in the trash can.
September 16th, 2013 at 11:19 pm
“The Bucs lost 2 close games. It’s not like anyone is blowing them out of the stadium. You people act like this is Raheem 2011 days again and it’s only week 2.”
@Buc1987
Thank you! This isn’t even close to the 41-0 Saints shutout. We have major faults but we were never out of any of these games. We lost by 1 to a dramatic but underrated Jets team and we lost by 2 to a high powered, Brees led Saints offense and stepped up Rob Ryan defense.
Hardly cause for the cries of murder going on here.
September 16th, 2013 at 11:20 pm
Hawaiian Buc ..so what your saying is your going to make me re-watch this game again. If so exactly about what quarter did he say all this about the coach?
September 16th, 2013 at 11:20 pm
I agree with Buc 1987
Schiano is here to stay….he has built the makings of a fantastic Bucaneer Defense….our history has only been bright when we’ve had a great defense. Right from the beginning with Leroy Selmon….and then Sapp, Brooks, Lynch & Barber.
Now we have GMC, AC, LVD & our two (knee-hunting) safeties (the new NFL directed target)
So, hate Schiano all you want…he is here to stay. He will take his knocks for a bit but things will improve.
September 16th, 2013 at 11:21 pm
@Buc1987
I won’t anoint him as the second coming of Dungy just yet. He still has lots to prove. Not ready to throw him in the trash can just yet but he needs to clean up the sloppiness.
September 16th, 2013 at 11:22 pm
shmeetz …yup just read my posts earlier in thread and you will see where I’m coming from. Of course we do have the conspiracy nutjobs in this country though so to them everything is a conspiracy and you have think outside the box. Even if that means to over speculate outside the box.
September 16th, 2013 at 11:23 pm
lol. you guys are reaching HARD…. face it. we’re failing in:
a) passing (on Freeman)
b) dropped catches (on WRs/McNulty)
c) pass protection (on o-line/Bostsad)
d) offensive play calling (on OC)
e) gameplan (on Schiano)
f) penalties, offense & defense (on Schiano, like J. Lynch said)
g) undisciplined & wreckless defensive plays (on Sheridan/Davis/Schiano)
h) passive game-closing philosiphy (on Schiano)
do the math Schiano Shaft Riders.
September 16th, 2013 at 11:24 pm
@shmeetz,
I’ve never played pro sports. Sat the bench in college basketball. My dad coached both high school and college basketball for almost 40 years now. He had a few players go pro. His best player played in the NBA and overseas, and I am still good friends with him. I’ve had this conversation with him on many occasions. As he always describes it, it’s not a game. It’s a job, just like what everyone else does. You call the coach by his first name, just like you call your boss by his first name. It’s absolutely nothing like college.
Also, I’ve watched enough ex-NFL players say the exact same thing. This is a job, and it’s a business. Pro players can get coaches fired, as we have learned over the years in Tampa. Ever heard of a college team getting a coach fired?
September 16th, 2013 at 11:25 pm
@1987,
He said it at least 3 times. Definitely after the TD was called back, but that wasn’t the first time. Said it again when we couldn’t get our correct punt team on the field. It was a constant theme throughout the game. I deleted the game already (couldn’t stomach watching it again).
September 16th, 2013 at 11:26 pm
I will say this, when sloppiness is found in all aspects of the game, that always falls on the head coach. He’s responsible for his subordinates to make sure that their players are on point.
September 16th, 2013 at 11:27 pm
So wait a minute, wait a minute. Schiano gets credit for the defense, correct? Fair. Why does Sullivan get the blame for the offense? Seems like a bit of a contradiction,don’t you think? So if something good happens, it’s Schiano’s doing. All the bad things are the faults of others? Ok, I see how it works.
September 16th, 2013 at 11:28 pm
shmeetz…Dungy had problems early on too. When Schiano took over, this team was a mess. Same thing with Dungy. Dungy also had problems with his offense for many years. That was until Gruden stepped in and brought the Bucs offense a little jolt. That’s what I’m referring to in comparison to Dungy. Schiano is a defensive minded coach. Let him build up this great defense. Then if we must years down the line. We let him go and bring in an offensive minded coach. We are replaying history man. Freeman = Dilfer Schiano = Dungy.
September 16th, 2013 at 11:30 pm
“So, hate Schiano all you want…he is here to stay. He will take his knocks for a bit but things will improve.”
If he starts winning, maybe… And then I’ll even lay off him a bit.
But at this rate, dont think that some of these $100 mill, $50 mill players dont have their say. Schianos a 3 mill expendable.
September 16th, 2013 at 11:30 pm
Schiano Second coming of Dungy?
Even me with that club I could finish at least 8-8 with playcalls took from the Madden Playbook..
Here’s the part you are missing: He lost respect of highly self motivated athletes like Revis and VJ who are leaders. Once high profile players starts to jump out of the bandwagon, it’s almost impossible to get them back in. VJ has declined about every interview since end of game one because he’s pissed. Revis is used to media circus so he doesn’t care about giving its opinion.
Players believed in Dungy that’s the difference. Glazers will be idiots too if they trade VJ or Revis because they had enough of that toe on the line thing. They have a very good team core in hand, they just need a little bit of depth, a coach that’s respected and PROVEN and they have a shot to make the playoff and go deep into them
September 16th, 2013 at 11:33 pm
@Hawaiian Buc
I’ll respect that. Especially since it is more experience than I have. But like I said, ideas are genius if it works and idiocy if it doesn’t. And really we know way too little about the inner workings of the locker room to make any assumption about his style and the way he treats players. I really don’t give what Winslow and other malcontents much credit because I am happy to see them gone honestly.
Either way, if this whole thing comes crashing down, we will definitely begin to hear what players really think of him. No more media assumptions. Players don’t have to like him, but they do have to respect him.
Time will tell.
September 16th, 2013 at 11:33 pm
Hawaiian Buc …exactly! There are many Buc fans that credit Kiffin for that great defense the Bucs had. I don’t blame them I love Monte, but a lot of the defensive decisions were made through Dungy on gameday. Sheridan is merely voice of opinion. Schiano knows nothing about offense, just like Dungy. That’s what we have going on man. The Bucs higher ups are essentially replaying out the formula that worked the 1st time around.
September 16th, 2013 at 11:34 pm
lets not forget how we only had 10 player on that goal line stance! despite poor substitution, our players came through!
September 16th, 2013 at 11:35 pm
@Buc1987
I remember there were problems early in Dungy’s tenure with the Bucs but I don’t remember a lack of discipline. Please correct me if I am wrong though.
I would love for him to be Dungy 2.0.
September 16th, 2013 at 11:35 pm
Love how everyone is assuming that there opinion is facts.
September 16th, 2013 at 11:36 pm
“So wait a minute, wait a minute. Schiano gets credit for the defense, correct? Fair. Why does Sullivan get the blame for the offense? Seems like a bit of a contradiction,don’t you think? So if something good happens, it’s Schiano’s doing. All the bad things are the faults of others? Ok, I see how it works.”
“Hawaiian Buc …exactly! There are many Buc fans that credit Kiffin for that great defense the Bucs had. I don’t blame them I love Monte, but a lot of the defensive decisions were made through Dungy on gameday. Sheridan is merely voice of opinion. Schiano knows nothing about offense, just like Dungy. That’s what we have going on man. The Bucs higher ups are essentially replaying out the formula that worked the 1st time around.”
Amen!
September 16th, 2013 at 11:37 pm
BucsQcCity…whatever you say everyone has there on opinions at this point. Schiano does NOT call most of the plays on offense.
September 16th, 2013 at 11:38 pm
“Even me with that club I could finish at least 8-8 with playcalls took from the Madden Playbook..”
@BucQcCity
Please don’t bring up your abilities and Madden when making a point. It really strips your opinion of any credibility.
September 16th, 2013 at 11:39 pm
shmeetz …are you feeling me here man? I’m really not sure if I’m right, but it is what I’m seeing.
September 16th, 2013 at 11:39 pm
So Schiano doesn’t know about offense? Funny how we run the same formations as Rutgers. Do we look like the Giants south to you? Ever seen us go 4 wide? He may not know anything about offense, but you are a fool if you think he’s not a huge part of the offense.
September 16th, 2013 at 11:40 pm
@tonytwocents
That’s what I’m talking about….the players are playing very hard….maybe not that smart….but playing hard and I believe Schiano has created that. Hell, look at the title of this article
“Suspension won’t change approach”…..that is exactly the right thing to say to fired up players…..don’t change the approach….change the target!!!
September 16th, 2013 at 11:42 pm
’87, i LOOOOVE Dungy. But face it, he only won a superbowl when he stopped meddling in the offense.
In Tampa, he WANTED the Smash Mouth run, run, pass, punt offense. He wanted us to be the Steelers. That was fine on defense, where he and Kiffin perfected the zone defense, but maybe high off the success of his defense, he wanted his breed of offense too. He finally learned his lesson in Indy.
September 16th, 2013 at 11:42 pm
Freeman completed 9 whole passes for a whopping 125 yards.
The TE for the Saints, Jimmy Graham, had 10 catches for 170 + yards.
Both Freeman and Graham had a TD through the air.
Pretty sad when the TE for the other team outproduces your QB……
September 16th, 2013 at 11:43 pm
@Buc1987
Mostly haha. You’re probably the person I agree with the most.
@Hawaiian Buc
Knowledge of offense and control of offense are two different things, I agree. I don’t doubt he pushes his offensive philosophies on Sully. How much? I don’t know. But really, who would you trust in a 4 wide situation right now?
September 16th, 2013 at 11:43 pm
@Hawaiian,
The GIANTS??? LMAO!! No sir…..
Welcome to Rutgers South.
September 16th, 2013 at 11:45 pm
My bad, I thought that comment came from 1987 and he was trying to say that Schiano doesn’t call offense because he doesn’t know anything about offense.
September 16th, 2013 at 11:46 pm
@SteveK
That’s apples to oranges as they play two different positions. But Brees’ production with one receiver compared to Freeman’s stats are sad.
@tonytwocents
Well when you have Peyton Manning you would have to be a real idiot to screw that up. Even John Fox, whom I respect but he’s no Dungy, cannot screw that up.
September 16th, 2013 at 11:47 pm
That’s what I mean by Schiano = Dungy 2.0. He is a defensive minded coach. A very GOOD defensive minded coach. Dungy’s offenses were crap. Regardless of the players he had on offense. That is a fact. Dungy’s QB’s sucked as*. Dilfer and King? Are you kidding me? Freeman = Dilfer = King same thing man. The Dungy Bucs had Dunn and Alstott on offense and that’s basically it. Granted Freeman has VJax but he is not exactly a speed burner anymore if anyone has not noticed. I;m not throwing VJax under the bus btw, I’m just saying he gets run down. It is what it is. The Bucs O has a great Dougie, a pretty good set of WR’s and Dilfer-King at QB. Like it or not this team is going to have depend on this defense in 2013.
September 16th, 2013 at 11:50 pm
I don’t think Schiano is a bad coach when it comes to knowledge of the game. Here’s my analogy: I have a video business. I like to think I’m pretty good at it. However, I can’t do everything by myself. I have to trust in my employees. If I try to do it all by myself, I’m going to screw up because it’s too much responsibility. Its the same thing for Schiano. He has to trust in his coordinators and his players more. If he’s not going to trust Freeman, then just bench him. We’ll never make the playoffs if you can’t trust your QB. If you don’t trust Sullivan, then just call the plays yourself. But if he is going to be over his shoulder all the time telling him what to do, he’s not leading anyone. He’s just micromanaging things, and neglecting his real job.
September 16th, 2013 at 11:51 pm
“How much? I don’t know. But really, who would you trust in a 4 wide situation right now?”
That’s not my call, Dom signs the players and Sully coaches the offense.
September 16th, 2013 at 11:53 pm
Please stop comparing Schiano to Dungy. There’s a lot of defensive minded coaches number one. Number two, the game is night and day different from those days. Dungy never had a vincent Jackson type player, I’m sorry. We never had 3 pro bowlers on the OL. Doug Martin is better than Warrick Dunn. Mike Williams is better than any #2 WR Dungy ever had. It’s not the same thing. Dungy never had a historically bad passing defense. 2 games in, I am not going to compare Schiano to Dungy, and neither should you. My goodness, can we at least get to week 8 before you anoint him a great defensive mind?
September 16th, 2013 at 11:54 pm
@Buc1987
That was directed at Hawaiian Buc. It was mainly to just give an objective opinion on why we don’t have more Giant looks.
September 16th, 2013 at 11:55 pm
Schiano has this team playing very hard but not very smart….he will fix the smart part…but doesn’t want to jeopardize the hard playing.
The players individually will realize that they have to do their job.
I don’t think you’ll see Dotson not lining up right again. The problem is even one mistake times 22 players is a lot of mistakes to go through before it subsides…
September 16th, 2013 at 11:55 pm
“He has to trust in his coordinators and his players more. If he’s not going to trust Freeman, then just bench him.”
Hawaiian Buc…whose to say that he does not?
I’ll admit when the game is on the line, he probably does take advice and make the decisions as he sees fit. Just like you would do in your video business.
September 16th, 2013 at 11:56 pm
Well I hate to say it, but Dungys unwillingness to use the shotgun for years, and McKays defensive draft priorities didnt help.
And like Sapp said, he was refreshed when Chucky came in, and held the offense “accountable”. (one of Schianos cliches) But Chucky was offensive minded, and left. the. defense. alone. And he got us a championship.
I know guys like Schiano. Incapable of just LETTING GO… Having “TRUST” (another Schiano cliche). Until he trusts his staff, to coach up their players, and stays back as the big-picture guy, we’ll get nowhere.
September 16th, 2013 at 11:59 pm
I really don’t think Schiano is that much of a micromanager throughout the game, but when it comes to crunch time. You can bet your ass he is. If that means it leads to his downfall so be it, is the way he looks at it. No one really knows, but I think us fans are over-speculating if the Bucs were 2-0 right now and they should be no one would be saying a peep about the HC.
September 16th, 2013 at 11:59 pm
“He has to trust in his coordinators and his players more.”
exactly. as hard as it would be, giving his coaches and players his trust would do nothing less than boost their confidence.
September 17th, 2013 at 12:01 am
good point hawaiian… the schiano to Dungy comparison is borderline blasphemy.
September 17th, 2013 at 12:02 am
tonytwocents …so what saying essentially is the HC should just shut up and be quiet?
September 17th, 2013 at 12:03 am
Damn typos and shyte leaving words out. It’s getting late. I need sleep. Too bad I’m addicted to my team.
September 17th, 2013 at 12:05 am
LOL at your blasphemy.
September 17th, 2013 at 12:05 am
“I really don’t think Schiano is that much of a micromanager throughout the game, but when it comes to crunch time. You can bet your ass he is.”
well we came down to crunch time twice in two weeks, and if you say that Schiano was involved, you just proved what Ive been trying to bash into your skull all night long.
September 17th, 2013 at 12:07 am
@1987,
So many things, hard to know where to start. First off, we aren’t 2-0. If I had 3 wheels, I’d be a tricycle. If you saw SoundFX last year, there was a clip of Schiano telling Sullivan to take a shot before the quarter ended. It worked, and that’s great, but it shows that Schiano does control the plays even when the game is not on the line. And like I said, he has every right to make the decisions, especially in crunch time. But guess what, if it doesn’t work out (which it isn’t), then he deserves the blame, period. There’s no dodging that. Did the playcalling throughout that game lead you to believe that he trusted Freeman? Do you really not think that was discussed by Schiano to Sullivan all week? I’m truly speechless if you believe that.
September 17th, 2013 at 12:08 am
Some of you Buc fans just need to stop over-speculating on the guy. He’s a defensive minded coach. The defense looks great right now. The offense sucks. You tell me if this is not the Dungy years all over again in 2013.
September 17th, 2013 at 12:08 am
“tonytwocents …so what saying essentially is the HC should just shut up and be quiet?”
when he doesnt know what the fu(k he’s doing? youre goddamn right! 2 weeks. 2 chances to go for the kill…. he lets up both times…. he’s soft. how can you not see this????
September 17th, 2013 at 12:09 am
’87, youre high on the kool aid…. when you come down in December, we can talk.
September 17th, 2013 at 12:11 am
AGAIN…the Bucs hired a defensive minded coach. Like Dungy. Does anyone think Dungy called most of the plays on offense? Seriously answer that question. Yes or no.
September 17th, 2013 at 12:12 am
Dungy would have done the same thing on 3rd and 6. Same thing yes or no?
September 17th, 2013 at 12:14 am
’87, youre still depressed coming off of that loss…..
First theres Denial….. Then theres Anger…….. Then Grief……. Then Finally, Theres Acceptance that our HC is an arrogant winless Bum.
September 17th, 2013 at 12:15 am
“If you saw SoundFX last year, there was a clip of Schiano telling Sullivan to take a shot before the quarter ended. It worked, and that’s great, but it shows that Schiano does control the plays even when the game is not on the line.”
Yes he basically said. Call a good play for us.
September 17th, 2013 at 12:15 am
get some rest ’87. Thats what Dungy would
September 17th, 2013 at 12:16 am
Can you answer the 2 questions either one of you?
September 17th, 2013 at 12:16 am
do.
September 17th, 2013 at 12:16 am
2 games in (with 2 losses on points given up by the defense), the year after the second worst pass defense in the history of the NFL, and the guy is Dungy 2.0. Wow, wow, wow. Imagine if we hold the Pats under 20, 1987 is going to put him in the Hall of Fame. 1987 must have been the year you were born, because you obviously didn’t see a Dungy led team as an adult.
September 17th, 2013 at 12:16 am
I’m talking football…you guys are talking conspiracy theories.
September 17th, 2013 at 12:17 am
Can you answer the questions?
September 17th, 2013 at 12:18 am
If he had Dilfer? Yes. If he had Freeman, MW19, VJ? no. 100% no. Sapp wouldnt let him.
September 17th, 2013 at 12:20 am
1987 was the year I became a Buc fan as a northern transplant. I left the Patriots behind when I moved to the Tampa and moved on to the Bucs. Vinny and Ray Perkins in the hot Sombrero. Answer the effing questions.
September 17th, 2013 at 12:20 am
’87. come back to the Force. step away from the Dumb Side while there’s still hope!
September 17th, 2013 at 12:21 am
Yes Dungy would have probably done the same thing, depending on the QB. Did he have a defense that just last year gave up the second most passing yards in the history of the NFL? Answer that question.
September 17th, 2013 at 12:21 am
Freeman = Dilfer
September 17th, 2013 at 12:21 am
I just effing did! what effing question are you rambling about????
September 17th, 2013 at 12:21 am
Was the NFL the same game back when Dungy was coach? Funny, he threw it on 3rd and 6 when he had Peyton. Did he not?
September 17th, 2013 at 12:22 am
Hawaiian Buc …did Schiano have a defense that was shutting down the Saints the whole damn game?
September 17th, 2013 at 12:23 am
apples and mangos ’87! apples and motherfu(kin mangos….
September 17th, 2013 at 12:23 am
So Freeman is Manning now?
September 17th, 2013 at 12:23 am
““If you saw SoundFX last year, there was a clip of Schiano telling Sullivan to take a shot before the quarter ended. It worked, and that’s great, but it shows that Schiano does control the plays even when the game is not on the line.”
Yes he basically said. Call a good play for us.”
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You didn’t really just type that, did you? Do you even remember what you are arguing?
September 17th, 2013 at 12:24 am
“Hawaiian Buc …did Schiano have a defense that was shutting down the Saints the whole damn game?”
——
And how did that work out in the end?
September 17th, 2013 at 12:24 am
Does anyone think Dungy called most of the plays on offense? Seriously answer that question. Yes or no.
September 17th, 2013 at 12:25 am
’87, ask any pro baller NFL, NBA, MLB….Its not how you start, but how you FINISH.
enough said.
We have a GOOD defense. but until they can CLOSE, theyre not great.
September 17th, 2013 at 12:25 am
That’s why I said it depends on the QB. I was just answering your question that you were getting so angry about.
September 17th, 2013 at 12:26 am
Hawaiian Buc Says:
September 17th, 2013 at 12:23 am
““If you saw SoundFX last year, there was a clip of Schiano telling Sullivan to take a shot before the quarter ended. It worked, and that’s great, but it shows that Schiano does control the plays even when the game is not on the line.”
Yes he basically said. Call a good play for us.”
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“You didn’t really just type that, did you? Do you even remember what you are arguing?”
Yes he told Sully to call a good play for them, not over-riding Sully’s playcall.
September 17th, 2013 at 12:27 am
I’ll say one thing ’87, Hawaiian…. the fact that we’re the last men standing, arguing this sh!t, we’re still some real asss fans. whether we agree or not. but I gotta catch some shut eye. take care hawaiin. take it easy 87.
September 17th, 2013 at 12:28 am
tonytwocents Says:
September 17th, 2013 at 12:25 am
“’87, ask any pro baller NFL, NBA, MLB….Its not how you start, but how you FINISH.”
“enough said.”
“We have a GOOD defense. but until they can CLOSE, theyre not great.”
Not really enough said, the offense does have to help in 4 quarters of the game.
September 17th, 2013 at 12:28 am
oh, btw, Im downloading the game….. so I’ll get that lynch soundbyte for your asss tomorrow 87… peace brotha.
September 17th, 2013 at 12:29 am
“So Freeman is Manning now?”
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He was to you like a week ago. Just sayin’.
September 17th, 2013 at 12:30 am
tonytwocents …yah you too man. It’s been tough and everyone has their own opinions. It’s late for me as well. 8 hours of sleep in 2 days.
September 17th, 2013 at 12:30 am
Yes, we are 3 real fans, that’s for sure. I totally respect and admire 1987’s loyalty, even though he’s totally wrong, lol.
September 17th, 2013 at 12:31 am
Hawaiian Buc Says:
September 17th, 2013 at 12:29 am
“So Freeman is Manning now?”
——
He was to you like a week ago. Just sayin’.
Are you trying to be Jerry Seinfeld now?
September 17th, 2013 at 12:32 am
actually just got done downloading…… and Im not watching that sh!t again.
….nevermind.
September 17th, 2013 at 12:34 am
Dude loyalty. You want hear about some loyalty. During the rain delay. I saw a Pats fan wearing a Pats jersey hanging out with his Buc friends. I tapped him on the shoulder he looked at me. I grabbed my Bucs jersey sleeve and said to him. Hey buddy I grew up in Massachusetts, I pointed at the ship logo and said to him. Nuff said.
September 17th, 2013 at 12:37 am
I saw a Pats fan at the game yesterday during the rain delay wearing a Pats jersey hanging out with his Bucs friends. I tapped him on the shoulder. Pointed at the logo on my sleeve and said hey buddy I grew up in Mass. nuff said. Loyalty man. I’m 43 yrs old. Buc fan since 17 yrs old.
September 17th, 2013 at 12:39 am
I don’t know what it is going to take to get through these damn filters. But I’ll keep trying.
September 17th, 2013 at 12:40 am
@1987,
Don’t make me go through the archives. You were a huge Freeman fan a week ago.
September 17th, 2013 at 12:40 am
Slowly from the top. I saw a patriots fan at the game yesterday.
September 17th, 2013 at 12:41 am
Hawaiian Buc…not Manning huge.
September 17th, 2013 at 12:41 am
I tapped the patriots fan on the back.
September 17th, 2013 at 12:42 am
SULLY 4 HC!!!!!
September 17th, 2013 at 12:44 am
Okay I found the filter now.
So I pointed at the ship on my sleeve and said hey buddy I grew up in mass. Loyalty.
September 17th, 2013 at 12:44 am
like my man Makaveli only responded with: THUG LIFE!
all I gotta say is: SULLY 4 HC!!!!! MILITARY MIKE!!!!!!
September 17th, 2013 at 12:45 am
Damn this filters joe I’m trying to tell a brief story here. This place needs a damn chat room.
September 17th, 2013 at 12:46 am
I pointed at my jersey and said hey man I grew up in mass.
September 17th, 2013 at 12:47 am
Finally I get my story out. Wow Joe I know your busy but damn these filters are killing me.
September 17th, 2013 at 12:49 am
tonytwocents Says:
September 17th, 2013 at 12:44 am
like my man Makaveli only responded with: THUG LIFE!
all I gotta say is: SULLY 4 HC!!!!! MILITARY MIKE!!!!!!
You can type it til you have blisters on your fingers….you don’t call the shots.
September 17th, 2013 at 12:50 am
BamBamBuc Says:
September 17th, 2013 at 12:21 am
I’m choosing to post this on this thread, since the topic is most appropriate. I haven’t posted since the game, so I could have a chance to watch the game over, not as a fan, but from a more analytical perspective.
Now, I intended to watch this game to see how much of the 9/22 was Freeman and how much was receivers, etc. Instead, I found myself fascinated with a couple other things.
First off, the two turnovers by Freeman. I would really like for people to go back and look at the sack fumble by Freeman. Originally, I thought he simply held the ball too long and there’s no way he can get protection that long. While that’s not entirely untrue, there’s another side of that play. The Saints blitzed a linebacker, sending 5. The Bucs were in heavy protection with the 5 linemen and the RB, so 6 blockers. 4 receivers went out in routes, with 6 DBs covering. Remember, this is 3rd and 10. Now, not one single route was underneath. Not one. Not the TE, not Ogletree. Not a single WR came underneath, they all went deep. With 6 DBs (basically one for every WR and 2 over the top), there is no way any Bucs WR is going to get open. Martin, if he chips and gets upfield, would have been wide open with room to run, but that wasn’t the plan. Freeman had nobody to throw to, nobody was coming open, Penn was actually beat pretty well, although it took time to get there. Did Freeman hold the ball too long? Yeah, he did… but he wasn’t given many options considering the playcall.
The second turnover was equally as interesting. When first watching this play, I couldn’t believe even Josh would throw the ball into coverage that tight… until I watched again and saw what happened. This was a play action pass (which the Bucs love to run, though I still think they should work on the pump fake as an alternative). Now, to sell the run, the Bucs load up at TE and RB. Everyone sells the run. Of course, the play action takes time to set up, so now there is limited time for the throw. Interestingly, there is ONLY one WR on a route. Freeman has ONE option to throw to. Now, it’s hard to tell from the TV broadcast, but the throw may have been just a hair too late (due to the play action sell), and by the time the ball got there, the coverage was incredibly tight. Either way, it was either force the throw or throw it away, or take the sack, because there was only one option to throw to and he was covered. Also, Freeman has his back to the WR until the last second on the play action sell.
In both these circumstances, I have to say that I didn’t see the play design and call give him much opportunity for success. It was either boom or bust. Both times ended up bust, but that was also good play by the Saints against a play design that wasn’t exceptionally good. It would be different on the fumble if we had a viable TE or #3 WR. Then when the Saints cover over the top on VJ and MW, the TE or #3 could work open underneath…. but we don’t have that option.
One more interesting note from the game… the illegal formation when all 5 WRs were off the line of scrimmage was just bad by the WRs, two WRs and the TE never moved, so should know if they’re on the line or not. The second illegal formation call against Dotson on the long TD to VJ… I have to say, I paused the play before the snap on every play leading up to that call and Dotson was lined up in EXACTLY the same position (so was Penn) on EVERY play leading up to that call. If he was off the line (his helmet was at the waist of the Center, which should be legal, his foot was WAY back behind Freeman’s foot… so was Penn’s). To me, this is just BS… of course, the flag was thrown before the TD pass, so I can’t say the ref’s just threw it to call the game in the Saints favor (how would they know it was going for a TD?), but the consistency is pretty bad. Maybe they had told Dotson he was “close” to being illegally lined up a couple times before finally calling it, I don’t know. Just doesn’t make sense. He even lined up the same after that call, and there wasn’t another flag.
Basically, all I’m getting at is there were a lot of things I didn’t like in the game, and Freeman’s performance wasn’t the worst of it. The D giving up 200+ passing yards before the half wasn’t exactly good. Goldson on Graham didn’t work. LJ on Colston didn’t work. Revis in zone worked, but didn’t utilize him as well as we should have. Coaching is still horrible, as we’re still taking way too many penalties (and now a suspension) for stupid things. The plays don’t help.
On a positive, the pass rush looks to be much more effective and they’re not stunting the D-line AS much. The LBs are looking better in coverage, based on Foster and Watson getting picks.
September 17th, 2013 at 12:52 am
How about we all just cheer the Bucs on for week 3? I seriously don’t know why I read all of this sometimes…
September 17th, 2013 at 12:53 am
’87,
Im just planting that seed. To anyone who reads it… And since you read it, the seed is planted in you…. Which means you’ll come to by seasons end…
SULLY 4 HC!!!
September 17th, 2013 at 12:54 am
“I seriously don’t know why I read all of this sometimes…”
cause ur fu(kin insane like the rest of us!
September 17th, 2013 at 12:55 am
As for me I don’t try and over speculate and “look outside the box”like tony2cents says. None of us have the inside info as to what is going on in the inside of the team. This team was picked to go 6-10 by many national analysts. I bet they picked the Saints game as a blowout by the Saints. I know on NFL Network all 5 analysts picked the Saints and 93% of America picked the Saints to win in a poll. The game was alot closer than many analysts predicted I’m sure. Guys were chuckling about this game during the pre-game shows.
September 17th, 2013 at 12:56 am
MILITARY MIKEY 4 HC!!!!!
ITS ONLY LOGICAL!!!
September 17th, 2013 at 12:58 am
shmeetz Says:
September 17th, 2013 at 12:52 am
“How about we all just cheer the Bucs on for week 3? I seriously don’t know why I read all of this sometimes…”
Because you are a fan and you care. I’ve tried to walk away. My wife begs me daily sometimes 2-3 times a day to not go on here. Believe me I’ve tried.
September 17th, 2013 at 1:00 am
tonytwocents Says:
September 17th, 2013 at 12:53 am
’87,
Im just planting that seed. To anyone who reads it… And since you read it, the seed is planted in you…. Which means you’ll come to by seasons end…
SULLY 4 HC!!!
LOL maybe so, but I don’t call the shots. I have season tickets so I’m stuck no matter what.
September 17th, 2013 at 1:02 am
Schiano for Head Coach!
September 17th, 2013 at 1:03 am
its all positive ’87… but Im on a mission ~
MILITARY MIKE 4 HC!!!!!
ITS ONLY LOGICAL!!!
September 17th, 2013 at 1:04 am
Seriously though I’ve got to get to bed. Like I said earlier. The night before the game I got 4 hrs of sleep, because I had a feeling the Bucs were going to win. Last night I got 4 hrs of sleep because they lost.
September 17th, 2013 at 1:05 am
Let’s just all completely forget the totally blown coverage on the Graham TD early in the game. Can’t just blame the offense. Defense made their mistakes too. Oh, and Graham darn near had another before the half. Saints very easily could have destroyed us but for some breaks the D got before they stepped up. We have had issues across the board both weeks we have played. Let’s just pick one or two guys and blame them though…
September 17th, 2013 at 1:07 am
I’m going to bed BamBam..but Joe’s filters won’t let me say good night.
September 17th, 2013 at 1:07 am
’87 – “You can type it til you have blisters on your fingers….you don’t call the shots.”
the smallest ripple can create a wave…..
MILITARY MIKE 4 HC!!!!!
ITS ONLY LOGICAL!!!!!
September 17th, 2013 at 1:08 am
I’ve said all I needed to say just read from the top BamBam have fun.
September 17th, 2013 at 1:08 am
MILITARY MIKE 4 HC!!!!!
ITS ONLY LOGICAL!!!!!
September 17th, 2013 at 1:09 am
tonytwocents…stop it I won’t be able to sleep while laughing so much. good night.
September 17th, 2013 at 2:32 am
@BamBamBuc
Thank you for taking the time to review the game footage. Watching the game I had no problem with Freeman’s play. I’ve been complaining for for awhile now- for OC Mike Sullivan to implement the “three short zone pass routes” some where/anywhere in his version of the Run & shoot Offense to no avail.
I love the 3(WR) 1(TE)-spread package, but you gotta run some form of the hurry up/ uptempo system to really be affective. Like I said yesterday -IMHO Coach owes us one-but I have to give him a pass because that defense is RAW point blank period. It made the best QB of the last 7yrs look almost human. Greatness is a lot of small things done well, stacked on top of each other. ” — Ray Lewis. And yesterday for our Defense showed flashes of that greatness. Made me proud to be fan.
Can’t wait to the next game. Even though I’m concerned about Ahmad Black taking over for Goldson
Either Way GO BUCS!!!! BUC”EM ALL BABY
September 17th, 2013 at 3:18 am
@hawaiian
You summed up the Dungy v. Schiano perfectly.
September 17th, 2013 at 5:56 am
If you fire Schiano now we can still win the division with this team. We got straight lucky and landed a ultra talented defense across the board when no one really knew what to expect….
With this in mind now the situation has changed … We are now able to win this year and next. The talent is there. We just hired the wrong coach because we didn’t know what we were going to have …
Whoops …
We can’t go into rebuilding because the defense will leave soon through age and contracts the minute the Starting QB is benched for a rookie …..
(doesn’t matter who the QB is it tells the Vets that ownership is giving up on the season)
for right now we can win with what we got if you just get rid of the joke of a college coach … We will beat the Saints next time and at least take one from the Falcons with this defense alone …
put all the chips in on this team and win now with what we landed … … We can win this Division if we have someone, anyone, who know just how to be a damn NFL coach …
If we just rolled the dice and this was the team we ended up with to make some kind of yearly playoff runs i’d be absolutly thrilled …
So fire this guy and lets make this run …
September 17th, 2013 at 6:35 am
Matthew, you cannot honestly believe that firing our head coach now will give us the best chance to make the playoffs. A move like that is pretty much saying that you’re seeing what you have now to prepare for the next season. That way you have a head start on all the other crappy teams that are ready to fire their head coaches. It’s like an eject mechanism on a fighter jet. You don’t pull it in the middle of a dogfight hoping it will give you an edge. You pull it to save yourself from going down in a ball of fiery flames.
September 17th, 2013 at 6:45 am
@bambambuc
No one forgot those blown coverages. But they will happen occasionally. That’s what will happen when you play drew brees. He saw a mismatch, audibled to take advantage, bucs tried to change their defense to compensate but was caught before they were ready. That’s what elite qbs will do to you. Other than that I say they had a pretty outstanding day. Great pressure from the line, outstanding lb play and generally good coverage from their dbs despite being so thin at corner.
September 17th, 2013 at 6:49 am
Let’s put it this way bambambuc, they kept us within range to win the game. Nail that field goal and it could’ve been over. COULD’VE. But I don’t hang this one on the defense.
A missed field goal.
An illegal formation nullifying a 72 yard td by Jackson
9-22 completions.
I say the defense did enough to win. The offense did not.
September 17th, 2013 at 6:54 am
Hawaii 50 you fake as hell where miguel. You fricking flip floppers!
Yall some opinion stealing b!tch boys! Im just gonna say the little general.
I dont even know any fans on this site but Im starting to hate that you lil girls got access to computers.
87 you cant help but argue everyday . Go argue witcha wife and get yo fat ass from in front the computer. You can do your lazy job without typing a novel EVERYDAY! GO SMOKE A CIG. You know it all!
September 17th, 2013 at 8:45 am
@ Jerry you forgot that other stellar hire Raheem Morris..what a f*%##
Joke. Can someone tell me how the glazers come up with these decisions?
That dude from Oregon passed on the job and he seems to be doing alright
In Philly. We’re we that desperate to sign a coach we settled on Shiano? This team is gonna be the death of me.