Clayborn Says “It’s All BS”

September 13th, 2013

Cancel your newspaper subscriptions and start visiting for fun. Perhaps take up knitting. Why enjoy and analyze Bucs coverage in the media? Adrian Clayborn says it’s worthless.

Clayborn lashed out via Twitter this afternoon, seemingly perturbed by how the Bucs have been treated and covered in the wake of their ugly 18-17 loss to the Jets and this week’s Josh Freeman Photogate.

@AJaClay – If I were bucs fans I wouldn’t pick up a newspaper or read the Internet because its all BS.

Joe appreciates Clayborn’s passion, but it’s misguided.

Clayborn should be directing his disgust at the Bucs’ 13 penalties, inept offense and allowing a rookie second-round-pick QB to rack up historic yardage and engineer a game-winning, Week 1 drive.

Would Clayborn like it if Bucs fans considered the Bucs’ effort “all BS” and stopped buying tickets?

Yes, the local and national media very much embraced “Overreaction Monday.” But the media hasn’t been tossing out “all BS.” The Bucs are very much in peril. Only a win will fix it.

175 Responses to “Clayborn Says “It’s All BS””

  1. Buc1987 Says:

    Yesssssss tell it like it is AC.
    Hmmm “Apocalypse Now” comes to mind.

  2. Morgan Says:

    Local members of the media appear to be having complete meltdowns over Schiano’s micromanaging the interviews and press conferences. I’ve noticed a great number of them have taken it out on the Bucs via print/internet write ups. Even Duemig is getting involved with slamming the Bucs’s head coach – I think it relates to their beat writer Tom Krasniqi (TKras) whining about Coach Schiano behind the scenes. Shows the power of the media in turning Buc fans against the team/coach/qb.

  3. WestCoastBucsFan Says:

    I don’t think it is all that misguided.

    Just my opinion.

  4. Buc1987 Says:

    Tom Jones and Fennelly are Natural Born Buc Killers. Stroud as well.

  5. Adam L. Says:

    It’s BS… just like the preseason doesn’t matter.

  6. Hawaiian Buc Says:

    I really appreciate how everyone is trying to diffuse the situation. However, I’m not foolish enough to believe that there’s nothing going on. If it really were BS, you’d see every player on this team standing up and saying how they love playing for Schiano. They’d say they think Freeman is completely dedicated to this team. I follow damn near every Buccaneer player, and I haven’t seen one say anything even close to that. You can tell their statements are coached (which is fine and to be expected), but you just don’t hear any defiant disagreements with the specifics. Most of these guys don’t love playing for Schiano. That’s painfully obvious. I don’t really care if the product on the field looks good, but that hasn’t happened so far this season. Most of these guys don’t believe in Freeman. That’s also painfully obvious. Play like an elite QB and I could care less if he shows up at all to photo shoots and summer camps.

  7. Hawaiian Buc Says:

    When I say I follow every Buccaneer player, I mean I follow them on Twitter.

  8. bucball85 Says:

    Seems too me that writers, bloggers whatever u wanna call them, think that only negative articles will sell. Kinda like telling the world that its gonna end soon, so that everyone will go out and buy awhole bunch of crap they’ll never use. Take everything you read off the interweb with a grain of salt people. Go bucs

  9. WestCoastBucsFan Says:

    @Haiwaiian Buc

    The players are trained to tune out the media as much as possible. If they all came out in defense, publicly, it would mean that the stories were starting to get to them. If anything, acknowledging them only makes people think there really is something wrong.

    I watched the presser with Schiano and then Freeman. Either they both honestly believe nothing as remotely serious as has been perpetuated is going on or they are quite the actors. Both of them seemed to think it was funny that everything being proposed to them was even newsworthy.

    Freeman was late for a team photo. If they were attempting a “cover up” I would think they would get a little more creative then “he overslept”.

    Based on what I have seen from the media versus the Bucs, I don’t think it is very serious.

    Just my opinion.

  10. BBody Says:

    Can you please stop with all this negative mess! Why can’t you go back to sounding like a true fan like you where a couple years ago, maybe before you started getting soo many hits? This is coming from a constant visitor for the past couple years. I came to this site because it was full of great information, but most importantly, you use to get me pumped for Sunday, even when we were a losing team! Now This site does nothing but bash the Bucs! If you hate the Bucs players so much and one lose irks you so much, change your name to that sounds more like it. Please ya’ll, get back to what you use to do. Supporting the Bucs 100 percent. But I guess since you got more access, things and people change. But damn bro.

  11. Hawaiian Buc Says:


    That’s not true. These guys are being interviewed, but they are giving very broad, generic, coached answers. If they really strongly disagreed, trust me they would come out and put an end to the rumors. You can’t possibly argue that, I’m sure you’ve been around long enough to know better.

    I watched the presser too, but came away from it with a total different impression. I think they both just tried their best to deflect, with the hopes that it would go away. I admire Schiano for not completely throwing Josh under the bus, and I admire Freeman for taking all the blame and saying how he loves playing for Schiano. They are both lying through their teeth. It’s obvious.

    And again, Freeman is a repeat offender in being late. I keep saying it, I witnessed him late for a practice last year. I said that last year multiple times, back when everyone was saying Freeman was always the first one in the building. I think Davin Joseph is being a captain and trying to deflect by saying he’s been late too. I know this, at the Atlanta game last year, Joseph showed up to the stadium BEFORE Freeman, and Joseph was on IR. I’ve been to 6 home games since Freeman has been our QB. We always wait by the player entrance so my daughter can get pictures and autographs. Not once has Freeman ever been even close to the first one there. He usually is one of the last 10 or so. So pardon me for not believing he’s got Peyton Manning work ethic. He’s more along the lines of young Michael Vick.

  12. Hawaiian Buc Says:


    That isn’t Joe’s job. He puts out the news of the Bucs. Everything isn’t fine and dandy. Why should he ignore it? I would much rather hear it from Joe than Pro Football Talk or some other national media. If there is a problem, it’s not going to be covered up. This isn’t the 50s. It’s not about bashing the Bucs, but this is just what’s going on. This situation has the potential to put us in the out house for years to come if we don’t get it cleaned up. Why would you want to just ignore it?

  13. Hawaiian Buc Says:

    If you want positive Bucs news, I highly suggest you go to their website. The rest of us will send you a postcard from the real world.

  14. jb Says:

    Martin Fennelly rarely writes such a scathing column as he did yesterday….about anything.

    When I saw he was jumping in with the criticism of both Freeman and Schiano, I realized it may just be as bad as they’re all saying.

    I hope not, because 16 more weeks of this soap opera is gonna suck big time!

  15. RBellBuc Says:

    It’s all lame and nothing but BS. The local media and it’s shock jocks are the the city of Tampa’s worst enemy.

    Joe says, Would Clayborn like it if Bucs fans considered the Bucs’ effort “all BS” and stopped buying tickets?

    What a bunch of malarkey that is. Joe already has been saying that as far as he’s concerned if the fans quit going to the game it doesn’t matter, so what’s with the empty threat?

    You guys keep trashing the team and you actually expect that to help with ticket sales. Now that’s ridiculous BS.

  16. Buc1987 Says:

    RBellBuc that Buc fan that lives in Montana. Kept saying the Bucs need to move to Vegas because the media and the fans don’t appreciate them in Tampa. He kept making points how the media in the TB area drives the fans away from the team. Kept it up for 2 days saying how the Bucs should just move to Vegas.

    That ruffled Joe’s feathers, right Joe? You told him to knock it off. Did you stop and think the dude might have a point? I bet Adrian Clayborn would love that guy. I’m not taking a shot at Joe here. Just the media in general. No I of course would never want the team to move anywhere. It just that the local media goes on a bashfest even if they win or lose. Then the media wonders why they can’t stop all these blackouts from occurring. Yes winning will cure all that, but in the meantime the media goes all out to dig up some trash on them in week 2. Why? Because trash sells. I mean many of the local media are not just critical, they trash the Bucs.

    Once again to Joe, I don’t mean you, but are you ever hesitant when you are reading an article that just destroys this team before putting it up? Do you ever read something and say that’s just over the top I can’t put that on my site?

  17. Buc1987 Says:

    RBellBuc …lol I was typing all this not knowing you were on site.^^^

  18. WestCoastBucsFan Says:

    @Haiwaiian Buc

    So, he has an issue with tardiness? (Or a lack or earliness?) I am sorry, I just don’t see this huge issue. And because they didn’t discuss the intricacies of their private team meeting they are deflecting questions? What reasonable questions went unanswered or “deflected”?

    If he is occasionally late to a practice or photo then is it really an “epic meltdown” situation?

    I think there is a good chance Freeman has an issue with being on time. Obviously that is not a trait you seek in a young QB but the guy is a 25 year old millionaire. I’m not saying that is a good excuse because it’s not. I just don’t think it is this damning quality that will prevent him from being a serviceable-to-good QB on Sundays.

    Just my opinion and I fully acknowledge that I could easily be dead wrong. This is just how I feel about this situation.

  19. BirdDoggers Says:

    It’s not likely that it’s all BS. Usually, where there’s smoke, there’s fire. However, it seems Clayborn’s comment might be a way of pushing back and telling everyone that the noise going on outside the organization isn’t causing a rift throughout the team. At least that’s what I hope it means. Not a good week of press for the Bucs. I want them to succeed and throw water on the flames by winning.

  20. Buc1987 Says:

    “This situation has the potential to put us in the out house for years to come if “we” don’t get it cleaned up. Why would you want to just ignore it?”

    Hawaiian Buc…who exactly is “we”? and why do “we” need to know about in the 1st place? and how exactly do “we” the fans or the media get it cleaned up?

  21. tonytwocents Says:

    hey Joe, whats a “newspaper subscriptions”? Is that like an app I can download at Google Play?? Is it better than Angry Birds Star Wars??

  22. LUVMYBUCS Says:

    Mr. Adrian Clayborn played a great game against the Jets (Even though that stats may suggest otherwise). Now its time to Destroy Drew Brees and the Saints. Rumble young man Rumble.

    They say things are done for the majority
    don’t believe half of what you see and none of what you hear
    It’s like what my painter friend Donald said to me
    “Stick a fork in their a$$ and turn them over, they’re done”
    -Good Ole’ Lou Reed-“Last Great American Whale”

    GO BUCS!!!

  23. RBellBuc Says:

    keep it positive bro!!!!!!^^^^^^^^

  24. Hawaiian Buc Says:

    Blaming the media is very convenient, and in most cases a cop out. I’m pretty sure the media hasn’t kept Freeman from being late. I don’t think the media has made Schiano into an obsessed micromanager. In fact, the local media has been biting their tongues on these issues for a while, but we’ve all heard the rumblings since Schiano got here.

    As for ticket sales, the huge majority of fans that go to games don’t know or care about this kind of stuff. They probably can’t name 5 players on the team. There is nothing wrong with that, it’s just the way it is. If there were, sites like this would have thousands of comments on every article. If the team wins, it will increase ticket sales. As the economy improves, it will increase ticket sales.

  25. Buc1987 Says:

    I’ve been begging my wife for years to get rid of the Tampa Bay Times. She won’t do it. I have no friggin idea why. I guess she likes the crossword puzzles I don’t know. I got sick and tired of the likes of Stroud and Jones piling on an insulting my team at every turn. I told her once call up and cancel our subscription and tell them it’s because of Tom Jones and Rick Stroud. She won’t do it. I think I might have to fight back with her, wake up before her and start throwing her paper out in the woods behind my house. Maybe she’ll blame them for not delivering it and cancel.

  26. LUVMYBUCS Says:


    I always will brotha. Raise my glass to all my BUC Bretheren. We’ve got one helluva battle this Sunday.

  27. DallasBuc Says:

    Overreaction Monday? Try overreaction Thursday!! The media was whipped up into such a tizzy speculating about all sorts of dramatic occurrences that had zero to do with football. I see it has really gotten a lot of you stirred up but maybe AC is right and the inside media crowd isn’t so inside and they don’t really know as much as they think they do and like to report. I want a win this Sunday in the worst way possible. If nothing else it may steer the conversation around here back to football.

  28. Buc1987 Says:

    Hawaiian Buc…read Fennelly’s article in today’s paper and let me know if this kind of stuff is needed in week 2. Want a link? Read the whole article though, and come back an honestly tell me that, that was needed in week 2.

  29. Hawaiian Buc Says:


    Tardiness is an issue, especially for a football team. If you ever played any team sport, it holds true. The QB is the most important position of any team sport, he cannot be late. That especially holds true if it happened when you are the captain (as it did last year). I find it a bit puzzling that so many people are ok with repetitive tardiness, but I guess that’s just society nowadays. The guy gets paid millions of dollars. Is it too much to ask for him to show up on time? I showed up on time when I made $2.18/hour working at the Hyatt in Tampa. Don’t think I’m being unreasonable here. Besides, the day I witnessed him being late, it was past 10am. It’s not like they were supposed to be there at 6am. I’m all for partying and chasing tale (I did my share of that at his age with very little success), but when it interferes with your job, it becomes a problem. If Freeman were having sustained success on the field, I may even look past it (even though I probably won’t because I run my own business, and I don’t excuse tardiness), but that’s not happening. He’s wildly inconsistent, even though he clearly has all the tools. Before you blame coaching, he’s had 3 different OC’s, all with the same results. Maybe it’s time he starts taking some of the blame, no?

  30. WestCoastBucsFan Says:

    @Haiwaiian Buc

    Not sure if your commented was directed at me but I certainly didn’t pass off any “blame” to the media. I merely said that the media *could* be exaggerating the situation. Nothing has happened to even blame the media for yet anyway.

    Now if the reported “issues” were overblown and distract the team, well . . . I still wouldn’t blame the media. It is the coach and player’s job to tune out the media and focus on football. If they get distracted it is their own damn fault. The media has a job to do and they really don’t (or shouldn’t) care how it makes the team feel. It is up to the team to perform on Sundays and prove them wrong. Not *tell* them they are wrong in press conferences.

    I really just can’t wait for this game to start on Sunday.

  31. Bobby Says:

    It is all BS. Haven’t I been saying that this media crap has turned into a circus that reports on unsubstantiated rumors and conjecture with no quoted sources and acts like it’s all fact? It’s like picking up the Globe or the Enquirer. They have the Bucs in meltdown but when you see the interviews and listen to the radio shows it’s all upbeat and only the media and some fans seem to be in panic mode. “Schiano changed the vote….ooops! No he didn’t” “The meeting was about Freeman’s commitment… it wasn’t” It’s amateur hour at the sports media outlets and Joe has climbed right on board the crap with several of the articles here. This is my favorite place to come for all news Bucs but here lately it’s been like reading one of those mags at the check out counter. Yes, Clayborn put it in the proper perspective by calling it BS.

  32. Hawaiian Buc Says:


    Perhaps I overused the word “we” in that sentence. Let me clarify. This situation has the potential to put the Buccaneers football team in the out house for years to come if the organization doesn’t get it cleaned up. As fans and passionate followers of this team, why would you want to ignore this problem?

    As for how to clean it up, that’s a tough one. For one, if it is reconcilable, someone has to get the 2 guys in a room (Freeman and Schiano). Let them put it all out on the table, and see if that can work. If not, move on. Get rid of one of them or both of them, because it’s clearly not going to work if this continues. Do you think if we go 0-3 this problem is going to get better? I don’t even think it’s going to get better if we go 3-1. There is an underlying problem here that has obviously been going on for a while.

  33. Hawaiian Buc Says:


    No, it wasn’t directed at you. Wasn’t really directed at one person in particular.

  34. Buc1987 Says:

    You heard Schiano in the presser saying he would like to discuss football and the upcoming game, but that’s not what the media wanted, they all had shovels in their hands and were digging for dirt.

  35. Bucfever40 Says:

    “The Bucs are very much in peril” Really? After one game we should all agree that this team is in peril, right? You know, I can see after 7 or 8 games where the Bucs have lost most of them and have played poorly, you can make that argument, but even after 8 games of futile football, it’s still possible to turn their fortunes around, I’ve seen it happen more than once, but DAMN! This team has played ONE game, ONE, and damn near won it after NOT playing their best football, and also having the misfortunes of being shafted with referee Ed Hochulis and his yes men crew, who threw 13 freakin’ flags, many of which were highly debatable. But to say this team is in peril is flat out irresponsible for a site that claims to be a fan of the team, it looks like joe is going out of his way to get people to hate this team, WTF? I agree with Bbody, I used come to this site because I thought it was pro-Buc in most of it’s articles, but something went afoul with you joe, it doesn’t make sense that you now aim all of your arrows directly at the team, almost every article now seems to illustrate everything negative about the Bucs, and it’s a downer, I like Scott Reynolds take on the Bucs with Pewter Report, he’s critical with facts, and keeps the rumors to a minimum, but overall stays with the game facts at hand, perhaps this website’s in peril……na, I can’t be that cruel, because I LIKE joe. I just wished he liked the Bucs…….like before.

  36. Buc1987 Says:

    “For one, if it is reconcilable, someone has to get the 2 guys in a room (Freeman and Schiano). Let them put it all out on the table, and see if that can work.”

    Hawaiian Buc…so that’s the media’s job?

  37. Buc1987 Says:

    It appears to me that RBellBuc and Clayborn have ruffled Joe’s feathers.

  38. Hawaiian Buc Says:


    I read the article, thanks. I think people forget the job of the media. It’s not their job to ignore negative facts, sell tickets, or be a positive influence on the team. They report news, and more importantly, they write about what people want to hear. Are you not interested in this story? Seems like you are because you have commented in almost every article (as have I). Would you rather be completely in the dark about all this? This is interesting – no this is addicting! We all want to hear more and learn more. I think we all hope it’s not true, but deep down we know it is and we want to know the details. If you really don’t want to hear it, then why are you still reading? Of course you do, we all do. It’s human nature. It’s their jobs. It’s why they get paid. The first sports reporter in Tampa that would refuse to write a story about this would be fired. They write about what sells, and this sells. They don’t work for the Bucs, and they are not responsible to write a feel good piece about the Bucs every week. Especially when something like this is going on.

  39. Hawaiian Buc Says:

    @Buc 1987,

    Of course it’s not the media’s job. I don’t how you gathered that. I was thinking Dominik, or maybe even better, the Glazers.

  40. Buc1987 Says:

    Maybe it’s because the media thinks they are above this team when it comes to the fans. Ha…the team should come first as far as I’m concerned. Go Clayborn!

  41. LUVMYBUCS Says:


    That song was in reference to the Media.

  42. Buc1987 Says:

    “Would you rather be completely in the dark about all this?”

    Yes I would like to be kept in the dark in the middle of the season week 2. I think the media becomes a distraction to the team.

    It’s one thing to right a story about the situation, but why go on any further and give your bashing opinion about the subject? It belongs in the Opinion column not the sports page.

  43. Buc1987 Says:

    Hawaiian Buc…Do you ever see me not fight the negative on this site? When have I ever trashed this team? That’s my point. Sure I click on the comments of a negative article about the team to fight the negative posters. It does not mean I like or agree with what is being said about the team by said media or believe it even needs to be covered.

  44. Buc1987 Says:

    Sometimes..It’s almost like TMZ should move their HQ’s to Tampa.

  45. bucfan999 Says:

    Clayborn is 100% correct in is assessment of the local media. This week has been real difficult to read or listen to the local media. In the mornings I listen to Tom Jones & Rick Stroud and all they did was almost flat out say that Schiano had rigged the vote for Captain (Which has been proven false), in the afternoons Booger & Rich has had Booger (A big Freeman supporter) saying everything negative about the Schiano but trying in vain to make Freeman look good. This afternoon saw Bobby Hebert say Freeman is not a good QB to Boogers disdain. The Big Dog……..don’t even get me started on him. Hell even Joe has been banging the drums accusing Schiano of everything under the sun and calling anyone who thinks Freeman can’t get the job done as someone in the “Glennon Mob” which I find disparaging…. \
    The facts are simple the team photo…..Freeman didn’t show up (every one else made it on time), Freeman admits he has either been late or not showed up for other team functions. He WASN’T voted a captain by his TEAM MATES. His play has been atrocious the last 6 games last year, all preseason games and the 1st game this year. Ian Beckles & Shaun King are hearing things about Freeman in South Tampa they hope are not true and King thinks Freeman needs to see a shrink.
    We have a team ready to win this year except for the QB position. Freeman is no better than Tebow so it’s time to move on from this and make the change to Glennon and get him some valuable playing experience this year heading into next year’s draft we would know if he’s the man or not.

  46. WestCoastBucsFan Says:

    @Hawaiian Buc

    I agree for the most part. It’s the media’s job to report the news. Good and bad. Right now the news happens to be negative. I don’t blame media for that. I blame the Bucs and, yes, that includes Freeman for giving them something to negative to write about.

    A win Sunday will generate a lot more positive news.

  47. SadBuc Says:

    I totally agree with BBody about wanting Joe to be a fan again.

    I started reading here because i got tired of all the negative crap from the other Bucs sources.

    There are all kinds of stressful things to deal with in life. Following our favorite sports team should not be one of them. It’s a freaking game that is fun to watch.

  48. SadBuc Says:

    I totally agree with BBody about wanting Joe to be a fan again.

    I started reading here because i got tired of all the negative crap from the other Bucs sources.

    There are all kinds of stressful things to deal with in life. Following our favorite sports team should not be one of them. It’s a freaking game that is fun to watch.

  49. Tampabaybucfan Says:

    OK Guys……Relax….the Tampabaybucfan is here now to put all this in perspective… is the deal….its not BS….because we pay & they get paid….but some of it is BS because its pure speculation and opinion….and its Sports opinion at that.
    Now, there is nothing wrong with a giant shovel-full of BS because it gets us all stirred up.
    I don’t know about you, but Football is very frustrating because there is a week between games…..unlike Baseball where you don’t have time to look back to yesterday’s game…you are watching a new game….so, lets get to Sunday ASAP!!!! Because nothin else really matters….

  50. Buc1987 Says:

    “There is an underlying problem here that has obviously been going on for a while.”

    Hawaiian Buc…That has been fabricated by the media….oh good lord. Now you see why I don’t want to know.

    tony2cents has bought into the media so much that he’s concocted a conspiracy theory that Schiano purposely tampered with Freeman’s helmet communicator. To make Freeman look bad.

  51. tonytwocents Says:

    RBell, you lost all my respect…. Cracking up after our loss going on about 0-16! welcome to vegas! and your punk ass isnt even in nevada! let alone vegas…

    youre just another fake ass fan. now changing your tone like we forgot. dont worry about keeping it positive. worry about keeping it 100. and take my team out your name.

  52. Couch Fan Says:

    Freeman looks bad all on his own. Trust me, he dont need Schiano’s help.

  53. Tampabaybucfan Says:

    Where the hell is BucFansSuck?….we need that cross-dressing NOLA fag to bring us together tonight….

    BucFansSuck……where the hell are you?

  54. Hawaiian Buc Says:

    “It’s one thing to right a story about the situation, but why go on any further and give your bashing opinion about the subject? It belongs in the Opinion column not the sports page.”


    Because that’s what they are paid to do!!!!! It’s not a difficult concept. They are not employees of the Buccaneers. This is interesting news to everyone. I love the Bucs and am almost always supportive. You can pretty much count on one hand how many times I’ve bashed this team in the 4 years I’ve been on this site. But this is legit, and this is interesting. As for where it belongs, it belongs wherever the paper sees fit to put it to sell more papers. They run a business too. You think this is bad, look at the New York teams. A player takes a dump and doesn’t wipe good and it’s front page news. Schiano and Freeman got softball questions lobbed at them compared to other cities. Imagine if this was in Dallas, ESPN would be camped out on their lawn. This isn’t la la land, this is the real world.

  55. Sharon Says:

    OMFG…. It’s the defense

    It’s the coach

    It’s the play calling

    It’s the media

    F’in freemanites

  56. RBellBuc Says:


    Oh! i knew exactly what you were singing. I should’ve said “Keep keeping it positive, Bro”

    You know your sport, and you know it well. You are a wise man!!

    All lies and jest, still, a man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest. – Simon and Garfunkel, The Boxer

  57. Hawaiian Buc Says:


    Why do you say it’s been fabricated by the media? How do you know? The players themselves have admitted they didn’t initially agree with Schiano or buy into his philosophies. Schiano got rid of players for that very reason. Do you honestly believe he got rid of every one of them? You don’t think there are some leftovers that do a good job of hiding it? Maybe it’s worse than what the media says. How do we know? There’s so much smoke on this issue, you’d be a fool to believe there’s nothing there.

  58. Tampabaybucfan Says:

    Buc 1987……watch out…you can chew that Nicorette gum so hard your teeth will loosen & eventually fall out.
    Relax as best you can while still fighting the quicksand of negatisim out there….
    OK you negative fans…you have a right to be….I have a right to shit on my dinner table but I choose not to do it because it would not be pleasant.
    So look at it this way…you can shit on the table or find something positive to say until we have something new to talk about Sunday.
    Here’s something positive….Dashon Goldson payed a heafty fine to knock the piss out of a couple of Jets…and I’ll bet he’s ready to hit a couple of Saints (hopefully lower)….and….he did that for us, Buc Fans!!!

  59. Bobby Says:

    I don’t have a problem with the media reporting if it’s factual and not conjecture. When it’s something like “A source at 1 Buc Place told me…” or “Players inside the locker room are rebelling…” WTF… I can make up crap and quote those sources all day long. When you start to smell the CRAP is when all the backpedaling takes place. First Schiano rigged the vote. Then he didn’t. Then the meeting was about Freeman’s commitment. Then it wasn’t. I mean C’mon! It’s obvious there was a bunch of hack reporting going on and it just snowballed as the week went on. We looked unprepared in our fist series in New York……we get it OK??? Let’s move on because that game is over and the Saints are coming to town. Maybe some reporting about that game would be nice.

  60. Buc1987 Says:

    My wife questions me daily why I even come to this site if so many people piss me off. BTW I tell her what some people say about the team without any bias in my wording. She looks at me and says. Those people are not fans or whoever said that is not a true fan. I tell her I come to this site to chat with the ones that are and try my best to ignore the ones that bash the team, but I can’t help myself. I tell her I copy and paste peoples stuff only to make them look stupid later on in the season for saying such negative stuff so early on in the season. She still does not get it. I think if I were to tell Adrian Clayborn the same thing he would not get it either. I think I’m starting to figure it all out. Maybe I do need to remain in the dark.

    Bucfever40 may have shed some light on something I’ve known for awhile. Maybe I just need to stay away from this negative media like Clayborn and my wife says. Even in the dark days of the franchise the 80’s. I can’t ever remember the media being so harsh on this team. Looking for any dirt they can dig up on the team.

  61. Hawaiian Buc Says:

    And to clarify, I still love my Bucs. I’m cheering harder for them this week than I ever have. I hate this news as much as anyone. It truly saddens me. I hope Freeman throws for 500 yards and 8 TD’s on Sunday. I hope he wins MVP. I hope he gets serious and gets extended and leads us to multiple championships. I hope Schiano wins coach of the year and they rename the damn trophy after him. I really do. But I’m not going to sit here and pretend as if all this nonsense going on is no big deal. I’m not going to pretend like I’m okay with the leader of this team oversleeping. If I wake my butt up at 6:00 am every Sunday to get ready for a Bucs game, I would like my QB to have the dedication to stroll into work on time to take the team photo. I guess that’s just me.

  62. Bobby Says:

    By the way….is Mike Glennon’s mom named Sharon??? Just asking. Don’t remember reading any posts by her and all of a sudden here she is wanting her son to start. Don’t worry Mrs Glennon….if Josh doesn’t perform this year Mike will get his chance and then all the same ones who hate Josh can turn on him too.

  63. Hawaiian Buc Says:

    The 80s were a different time 1987. There is no going back. Trust me.

  64. Hawaiian Buc Says:


    They have to report it that way at times, because the players refuse to put their name on it. If a player tells a reporter something and tells him not to put his name on it, do you want the reporter to say nothing? Obviously somethings are bogus or fabricated, but generally speaking where there’s smoke their is fire. I promise you not one person in the organization (player, coach, GM, etc.) is going to put their name on anything negative, unless they no longer want to be a part of the team. I can guarantee you that you’ll start getting some names once they are gone.

  65. Tampabaybucfan Says:

    Buc 1987

    Be carefull with that Nicorette gum…you can chew it so hard your teeth will loosen up and eventually fall out.

    We need BucFansSuck here tonight to bring us together.

  66. chipbuc Says:

    I was listening to the Booger and Rich show today, and i guess Booger fond out the team picture was at 6 30 in the morning. I Think thats a little early for any team picture, also Freeman wasnt the only Buc to miss the photo shoot. So lighten up everyone.

  67. Buc1987 Says:

    Sharon = dumb as box of rocks

    Sharon Says:

    August 28th, 2013 at 1:07 pm

    “19 more days……..
    Till Glennon takes over! Go Tampa!”

    Did that happen yet Sharon?

    Sharon Says:

    September 2nd, 2013 at 1:42 pm

    “Nicks won’t play 2 full games this year. He’s already retired.”

    Sharon… Nicks will be playing this Sunday I hardly call that retired.

  68. Jaydid Says:

    Hawaiian – You are welcome to get all caught up in negative media like teenage girl. The rest of the terrible local media should be good for you. I can’t stand most of local talk radio that doesn’t even talk football. I want football not Entertainment Tonight. I bet you Schiano has been clear with what he thinks of Freeman and Freeman is working hard for Schiano. Good men communicate honorably and directly without games. They are both good guys. The media makes money “coming up” with stories not informing us of the reality of the team. I thought Joe was different, but I guess not. Joe has really gotten caught up in the local media scene and is losing me. Cut the manufactured drama, listen to a player that says this is BS, and report on the real problem with the Bucs Football.

  69. RBellBuc Says:


    So effin what… The last thing I need is your stupid respect. Go ahead flip turncoat. Jump on the trash wagon! The Browns thought they were safe once too. So did La .. so did Anaheim … so did St louis …So did Baltimore. Your sports media is your worst enemy. Get mad at them. I live on the other side of the world and all hear is that Tampa sucks, that they have the worst fanbase. Is that the national image you want Tampa to be known by? You guys need to clean up your image. Put your local media in their place, and stop the super market tabloid reporting. It looks pathetic.

  70. Tampabaybucfan Says:

    Hey all you negative Dom, Schiano & Freeman haters… have a right to be concerned and express your opinion.

    I have a right to crap on my dinner table…but that wouldn’t be very pleasant so I choose not to do so….

    So say something nice like….thank you Dashon Goldson for knocking the pizz out of a couple of Jets and paying a heafty fine just for us Buc fans. Thank you Dashon….

  71. Buc1987 Says:

    “They have to report it that way at times, because the players refuse to put their name on it.”

    Hawaiian Buc…that’s my point…why do they HAVE to report on it? For you? Me? WTF does that all have to do with the game of football?

  72. Hawaiian Buc Says:


    Because that’s their jobs!! I think you really fail to understand the job of a sports reporter.

  73. Eric Says:

    I’m usually negative as heck, but a lot of this sounds like BS.

    I recall when the same crew was running Jon out of town, claiming all the players hated him, etc. turned out it was mostly Michael Clayton and a few other doghouse residents.

    I’ve got no confidence in Schiano or his abilities to match up on an x’s and o’s basis. Whether he micromanages doesn’t matter. Bellichick probly does, Coughlin, Tom Landry, long list of very uptight jerks find their way on NFL sidelines. Football coaching is really controlling isn’t it? But if you really don’t know what your doing it’s tough to micromanage.

    Now that I’ve read my own post it sounds nonsensical but screw it I’m pushing submit anyhow. Go Bucs.

  74. Hawaiian Buc Says:

    It’s like this, sports reporters have a job to do. The better job they do (meaning the more popular their stories are), the more they get paid. It also gives them the opportunity for other stuff (promotions, etc.). If you look at, for example, Mike Wilbon and Tony Kornheiser, they started as sports reporters. Do you think they just reported on the game alone? Of course not. If they did, then they aren’t good at what they do. Fact is, most sports reporters don’t even know the game. They weren’t stud athletes in high school, they were more likely to be on the yearbook committee or chess club. They don’t know how to break down film or analyze a players ability much better than you or I. That’s a very small part of their job, and probably not their strong suit. Read Pewter Report’s most impressive and disappointing list after every game. My 9 year old daughter could do better than that on certain occasions.

  75. Couch Fan Says:

    So say something nice like….thank you Dashon Goldson for knocking the pizz out of a couple of Jets and paying a heafty fine just for us Buc fans. Thank you Dashon….


    Thank you Schiano for drafting a great new QB who will take over very soon and lead us to the promised land (playoffs).

  76. Hawaiian Buc Says:

    The best reporters are the ones that get the inside scoop, and get it first. As a result, you get a lot of BS because they don’t always cross their t’s and dot their i’s. But there almost always is something there. This is why it usually takes a few days before the true story gets out. Perfect example, Aaron Hernandez. We heard all kind of crazy stuff in the beginning that didn’t turn out to be true, but in the end he killed the guy. There is something here, like it or not.

  77. Cmurda Says:

    Guess what. We play the Aints Sunday. We win Sunday and we are in 1st Place in the NFC South. If I told you after 2 games, we would be in first place this year in the NFC South, wouldn’t you be happy? I know I would have thought we would have beaten the Jets, but eh shizz happens. I had this crappy feeling in the pit of my stomach before the Jet game. I just felt like it was a trap game. It took one of the worst mistakes ever for the Jets to win. I have a feeling before the Aints game that we are winning this one.

  78. bucsdeluge Says:

    Its so frustrating with some of you so called fans. It doesn’t matter what is said or shown to you by players or anyone else. 2nd F—-ing year and your already trying to run off a coach when just a year ago he was praised by you for his new refreshing discipline. I don’t understand some of you using pure speculation to drive your venom, making all of us look like a disfunctioal fan base. Stop listening to Deumeg, and Beckels and others in the media. They have no more clue of what’s going on than me or you, and its them that are spreading all these freaking cconspiracy theories, literally tearing this team apart.

    “GO BUCS”!!!!!!

  79. bucfan999 Says:

    I see Joe is not for Freedom of Speech since my comments were edited out! I guess saying negative things about the Press including the Little Puppy is verboten here and in Obama’s New America.

  80. jfgobucs Says:

    It’s all our fault for buying in….. and believing this BS

    I say it again…..The Media doesn’t like Schiano… they come up with

    with all the BS….and who does this reflect on

  81. tonytwocents Says:

    RBell says:

    “I live on the other side of the world and all hear is that Tampa sucks, that they have the worst fanbase. Is that the national image you want Tampa to be known by? You guys need to clean up your image. Put your local media in their place, and stop the super market tabloid reporting. It looks pathetic.”

    you’re one of the elements of our “pathetic” fanbase. hootin and hollerin “0-16! welcome to Vegas baby!” with your montana livin ass.

    youre a fake, phony fan with no team of your own.. so you leach off my bucs… and you celebrate their loss. get the hell off my teams nuts, and go wrangle your mother into your bed.

  82. Big Rob Says:

    I feel just as you do Buc1987. I’m so sick of all the anonymous reports and he-said she-saids turning into massive stories. An anonymous report has a better chance of being made up than true. Its gotten so bad I can’t listen to the only station I listen to everyday. 98.7. Can we all just simmer down and enjoy the football season?!

  83. RBellBuc Says:

    I used to live there nimwit.. The Bucs have been my only team. Unlike you and half your fanbase, where you have made the Bucs your second favorite team. I will be travel to Seattle and St. louis to see them this year. Get mad at me all you want. I really don’t give a hoot. But keep up the mudslinging, and you’ll keep have blackouts even when they do win. Just like last year. Because down there it doesn’t matter if you’re winning your media still bashes.

  84. ladyz Says:

    Why Does Freeman Get A Pass?

    When Blunt was late it was headline news and almost every one denigrated him and was ready to run him out of town. When he was shipped out there was no outcry. Freeman is ignoring what ever it is that that is troubling him. Something causes him to be late and miss appointments besides mumbling through an interview on wdae 620 Ron & ian.

    Schanio was hired by the Glazers to set a different tone. They will not let some cry baby radio puffed shirts change their mind. They want a winning team and has set a mandate for him to weed out those who do not buy into the program. I know Booger, Steve and tcraz read this blog, so it is time you quite bashing Schiano and defending and enabling the whiners who want it like it was with Rah. Those days are over and yes Schiano is in charge. He doesn’t try to tell you how to do your programs. Get on board and GO BUCS!

  85. Couch Fan Says:

    Well since the Bucs arent winning and havent won in quite a while. Your statement is factually wrong and quite silly. Thanks for trying, please come again.

  86. Biff Barker Says:

    Winning a game here and there could go a long way in fixing the dumpster fire at OBP.
    Ironic it is that a team that committed 13 penalties, some Gump class stupid, complains of being micro managed?
    That crap OLine performance, dropped passes and the familiar sub par QB play is a coaching problem?
    Nah, not buying it. You shouldn’t either.

  87. buccanAy Says:

    another example of the most pathetic fans, and media(both print and electronic) in the NFL. what a disgrace! Iv’e been in Bay are for 15 years and this is status quo for sports media…ALL NEGATIVE ALL THE TIME

  88. Andrew 1 Says:

    it is all BS. some of you people just eat the sh!t up and digest it as facts.

  89. Greg Says:

    Thank God someone said it!!! The media in this town is the absolute enemy of local sports teams. They aren’t happy unless they are making up facts because they are to lazy to actually talk about the game. They would rather be reality television or yellow journalism and appeal to the idiots and chase away real sports. They trash the team and players for months then claim no responsibility for lack of attendance. The Rays are on their way out who’s next? They didn’t like Gruden so they convinced everyone he was a scumbag. See any similarities with Schiano?

  90. Hawaiian Buc Says:

    Yep, it’s all BS. Schiano loves it when Freeman shows up late. He doesn’t seem like a guy that cares about that kind of thing. He loves the turnovers especially. He probably gave Freeman a big pat on the back after the game and they hung out ata bar together. I think Schiano’s family picture has Freeman sitting with the kids too. Freeman loves being micromanaged to the point where he has to wear a knee brace and isn’t allowed to scramble. The team believes in their leader, even though he is often late or a no show. The organization hasn’t extended Freeman yet, but that’s only because they are waiting on the salary cap to go up, that way they can pay him even more. They’re probably going to sign him to a 15 year contract any day now. You’re right, everything is great at One Buc Place. Just one big happy family.

  91. Buc1987 Says:

    Greg..i agree 100%

  92. Andrew 1 Says:

    entertaining bull sh!t, I will give them that, but bull sh!t nonetheless.

  93. Buc1987 Says:

    Hawaiian Buc…Who cares? Apparently you do. Do you watch TMZ too and have a subscription to the National Enquirer as well?

    All of this is NOT football news. To you and a few I guess it is or else why would the foolish media continue to do it? Maybe so they can shape the way some fans think towards the team. I think it’s all garbage and that’s where my Times sports page goes every day now without reading it. Like I said it’s my wife’s paper not mine for the very reason I’m arguing about.

  94. bucrightoff Says:

    Joe you gotta be loving all this. Must be some record levels of site traffic this week.

  95. Couch Fan Says:

    LOL, funny Buc1987 is acting all high and mighty as if he isn’t just as nosey as anyone else… arent you the one who was “putting freeman on notice that you’ll be watching him? oh yea and you are still going to ask him about the photo shoot right because you want to get to the bottom of it all? Right?

  96. Hawaiian Buc Says:

    @Buc 1987,

    I care, because I believe that it strongly affects the product on the field. For your information, I don’t watch reality TV, TMZ, National Enquirer, or any of that other crap. This affects the quality of the play on the field, period. If you don’t think it does, then you obviously have no experience with sports. I’ve been around it my whole life. My father has coached college and high school for going on 40 years now, so I literally grew up in a locker room. I played basketball in high school and sat the bench in college, so I’ve been in a locker room. I’ve been on teams that loved the coach, and been on teams that hated the coach. I’ve been on teams where the players got along, and ones where they didn’t. I’ve had our best player be a hard worker, and also had him being a pot head who gave the minimum amount of effort. It does matter, and unless you are blind, you would see it yourself. But go ahead and keep denying it all you want. That’s fantastic.

  97. Buc1987 Says:

    Wow it’s become absolutely clear to me where these “fans” have formed their constant negative opinions of my team. They eat this crap up like cereal. After awhile the media can say anything to them. Then they say stuff like. Hey where there’s smoke there’s fire. What they fail to realize is that 1/2 the time the media is the one that lit the 1st match. Wow. I get it now. A moment of clarity. I almost have sympathy for you people. You actually trust the media as truth more than what your own team tells you. That’s how bad it has gotten in the Tampa area. Probably across America as well. Wake up people, support your team, the media simply does not.

  98. Hawaiian Buc Says:

    Ask yourself this: Do you believe Freeman and Schiano will both be a part of the Bucs next year? If not, then it does make a difference. Freeman and Schiano were both supposed to be long term fixtures in Tampa. But go ahead, you and everyone else can label me a “hater” (which is ridiculous) all you want, but you know damn well what I’m saying is true. I hate it as much as you, but I’m not so damn stubborn and/or naive that I refuse to acknowledge it.

  99. Raphael Says:

    Yep it’s all BS …in Shiano’s world,he can decide who the captain is regardless of the players votes…that is not gonna work with multi millionaire athletes ….he will lose all respect if this is true… And I think it was quite a dig Freeman said it was all about trust and accountability …. Lol

    Shiano = hitler

  100. Hawaiian Buc Says:

    Don’t talk to me about having constant negative opinions of “your” team. Give me a f-ing break. I’m the most positive fan when it comes to this team you will ever see. I have been on this site defending them long before you were ever here. I flew from Hawaii to Tampa to watch the stupid 4th preseason game!!!!! Don’t talk to me about being a negative fan. But I’m not so naive to just ignore what’s happening right in front of my eyes. Do I think we will have a terrible season record wise? Absolutely not. I think we can still have a pretty good season. However, we aren’t going to reach our potential due to this situation, and that’s upsetting. We are going to lose our QB who we have banked so much on. We may lose our coach too. We may have to watch Mike Glennon play QB this year! Hopefully it will all work out in the end, but as or right now, none of that is good news.

  101. BucFan20 Says:

    So DJ admitted he himself and others have been late to things too. Where are all the write ups and stories about them. Why were they late?? OVERSLEEP?? Now Clayborn says something about the media and it’s time to attack him about his sacks. God forbid any other player say anything now. If Freeman throws a perfect ball to Williams Sunday and he drops it, some of you will still blame him.
    For you who don’t live here you only get to read or see some things in other places. Between 4 stations in Tampa you hear and see more of the pressers . You know, The parts the media writers just happen to leave out.

  102. Raphael Says:

    freeman should stay…Schiano should go….if that’s what it comes down too

  103. Andrew 1 Says:

    @ Hawaiian

    so we are in denial because we believe most of the stuff is BS? so there is no possible way most of this stuff could actually be BS is what your saying. wow, didnt know that you were all knowing.

    so basically you think Clayborn is BSing about the BS. yea… good luck with that.

  104. Couch Fan Says:

    To bad thats not how it will happen. Freeman is gone, no matter what. Start Glennon. GO BUCS!!

  105. patrickbucs Says:

    Yeah like Tampa is the only market that bashes their local NFL team, cmon. A lot of cities do it all the time. A lot is expected of the Bucs this year and they layed a massive egg in game 1. The coach and team are responsible ofr that and should take some heat. If they win 2 of their next 3 we will be fine.

  106. Buc1987 Says:

    Couch Fan…yes and I’m also the one that said. I need to go to bed and sober up so I have a clear mind in the morning about all this. Right after I said what you quoted me as saying.

    The media has turned some of this teams fans against them, not just the poor play. The media takes the poor play and stretches it out for a week of bashing and spinning and you sorry asses eat it up like candy.

    Hawaiian Buc ..Yes I’m going to take Clayborn’s words seriously more than I take the constant trashing media seriously. Because I am bigger fan of him and the rest of the team than I am of the trashing media. Apparently a few like yourself and the person I mentioned above believe everything they read as truth. Be suckered in if you like, that’s your prerogative. Here sheepy, sheepy let me tell you about this players drinking habits just so you know.

  107. Hawaiian Buc Says:


    What do you believe is made up? That Freeman overslept? He admitted that. That he has been late before? He admitted that too. That he and Schiano aren’t exactly best friends? Doesn’t take an expert to realize they aren’t. That Freeman and/or Schiano is on his way out? Wanna make a bet that at least 1 is out?

    As for the subject of the meeting, that probably was bad reporting. I don’t even care about that. It’s not the issue. It’s about a QB and coach not being able to coexist. It’s about a QB not being able to make it to work on time. It’s about a coach that has some serious control issues, and still thinks he’s coaching college kids.

  108. Andrew 1 Says:

    Ill accept that he missed the photo shoot irresponsibly, because imo he is immature. but pretty much everything after that Im not buying, especially the whole players meeting conspiracy.

  109. Buc1987 Says:

    Hawaiian Buc…I never lumped you into the negative fan base. I will however lump you into the media spin gobbler club at this time. I’m just saying it’s become clear to me where all the negative fans get their thinking from and Joe helps them right along with it.

  110. Andrew 1 Says:

    @ Hawaiian

    “That Freeman and/or Schiano is on his way out? Wanna make a bet that at least 1 is out?”

    that right there is probably the only one I dont believe out of that list you made, atleast not until after the season. but who the hell knows what could happen from now until the end of the season. if we have a winning record at the end, I dont think either of them are going anywhere.

  111. bucrightoff Says:

    The media has not turned the fans against the team. The talent level has raised the fans expectations to anything but playoffs is a failure. The Jets aren’t any good, they’re a team we need to beat to make the playoffs. 10-6 in the NFC is 50/50 to make the playoffs, and now with New Orleans and New England coming up, 0-3 is a very real possibility, at which point historically speaking our odds are pretty terrible to make the playoffs. Every one is on edge right now. So much hope coming into this season and by the bye week we could be out of it. Not very fun right now.

  112. Buc1987 Says:

    Hawaiian Buc…I’ll make a bet with ya that IF the Bucs make the playoffs with Freeman as their QB. They both will stay employed by the Bucs. Sound like a good bet?

  113. Hawaiian Buc Says:


    Where are you getting that I believe EVERYTHING I read? You are simply putting words in my mouth. I believe he missed the photo shoot, and I believe that’s a big deal. I wish I could tell you why I absolutely know this without a doubt (but obviously I can’t so I don’t expect you to believe me), but I’m telling you right now there are guys on this team that don’t believe in Freeman. That’s first hand experience, not something I read, or something I saw from body language, etc.. I don’t expect you to, but you got to trust me on this one.

  114. Hawaiian Buc Says:


    Absolutely, the best bet ever!! I’ve never hoped I lose a bet more than that one.

  115. BamBamBuc Says:

    All I can say is that over the past decade or two, it’s more likely been the media’s job to “create” news than to report it. They figured out this simple trick quite a while ago. Start a rumor or a small negative “tidbit” in the form of an editorial or opinion piece. Others will then take it as fact and “report” this “news”. Next thing you know this is the “talk of the town” and you get credit for “breaking the story”. The media hasn’t simply reported the facts for quite some time. Most of what’s reported would not be allowed in a court of law (hearsay). If we can take what’s said and twist it out of context, it becomes “news”.

    This is the truth of reporting in politics, sports, even your nightly local news. Exaggerate, magnify, sensationalize. Especially if it’s negative, people are drawn like flies to a pile of dog doo.

    Public figures are now “coached” on how to speak in public. What to say, what not to say. Coaches and players aren’t allowed to say the truth, as it may be taken out of context and turned into a negative, blown out of proportion. So, simply evade the truth without actually lying. Then nobody actually knows the truth, which leaves reporters with less to actually report, so they have to make more up.

    Is it any wonder I haven’t posted since Monday? All this non-journalistic journalism… I’d rather bury my head in the sand until kickoff…

  116. Buc1987 Says:

    It’s week 2 that’s what I have BEEN saying ALL week long in here. Just because our team sucked last Sunday against the Jets (which btw the Pats did too @ home)does not mean there is some inner turmoil going on. It’s week 2 and the media has blown this thing up like a volcano just went off last Sunday and it’s a never ending flow of BS that’s about to take place. It’s week 2. Let me say it again it’s week 2. Not week 7 and the Bucs are 2-5 or something. It is only WEEK 2. Calm down.

  117. Hawaiian Buc Says:


    Yeah, the meeting stuff appears to be nonsense. I’m not even speaking of that. Freeman is getting paid millions and has the responsibility of the franchise on his back. He’s been here going on 5 years now. I got no time for immaturity. We’ve got too much talent to wait for him to mature.

    And I don’t think either is going anywhere during the season. But I would be blown away shocked out of my mind if both are back this time next year. I don’t even know if we make the playoffs they both come back.

  118. Buc1987 Says:

    BamBamBuc…thank you BamBam I needed someone to assure me that what I was saying might actually be correct to a point when it comes to media. Although I just had Clayborn do it for me.

  119. Buc1987 Says:

    Week 2.

  120. BamBamBuc Says:

    1987 – If Schiano is the coach the entire year this year, I wouldn’t count on Freeman being the QB the entire year this year. Maybe a trade, maybe just benched, but I seriously doubt Josh finishes the year as the starter. For some reason it seems as though this has been a plan set in motion regardless of how effective Josh could be, or how ineffective. It seems the plan was not to give him a chance to earn a new contract, but rather how to most easily cut ties without having to say “we cut a Buccaneer Man”. Either make him “not” a Buccaneer Man, or make him fail. Josh did nothing to “not be a Buccaneer Man (other than maybe miss most of a day of his football camp, and now missing a photo shoot), so they have to make him fail. Funny enough, he may have failed on his own, without the orders to not run or audible, without the poor playcalling that minimizes his targets on offense.

    Honestly, at this point, and realizing the inevitability of things… If I were Josh, I’d run, audible, do whatever I had to do…. worst thing that could happen is getting benched (probably happening anyway), best thing is you succeed despite the sabotage and really force the team’s hand to cut/trade you at a loss. Either way, if I were Josh, I wouldn’t want to come back next year even if I won the Super Bowl this year.

  121. Andrew 1 Says:

    I want to know what happened in…I dont know… the actual game!!! what kind of blitz was the defense running? on protection assignments, who missed the block? did our defense play predominantly man or zone? what kind of routes did our receivers run? and I can go on, and on, and on. thats the kind of stuff I want to hear about, not this stupid gossip BS. I have yet to find a bucs fan website like that otherwise I probably would not be visiting this website.

  122. Hawaiian Buc Says:


    I 100% agree with you, but you prove that there is an issue here. It’s too obvious for a probably overly-positive fan like me to ignore. That’s been my whole point all along – this isn’t going to work with those 2.

    I highly suggest that everyone go to Twitter and follow Mark Cook. Read his tweets from today.

  123. tonytwocents Says:

    you guys can throw Schiano if you want.

    I used my own judgement regarding Schiano during the preseason. I didnt like how the starters werent getting enough playing time to become cohesive, and I got concerned.

    when I read an article about the Tim Wright signing, I got on JBF and asked all of you if you were getting tired of hearing about the Rutgers connection.

    THEN, when he decides to play a starter in what should be the ONLY preseason gamer to rest your starters, AND that starter gets injured, I was ready to rip him a new one. But you guys all said, “its only preseason”. And after the Jets, “its only week 1”.

    you guys can drink the kool aid, but Schiano has divided this organization and fanbase, hoping to conquer it. If he gets rid of Free, the guy Dom said its all about, (VJs 55,555,555 contract), if he gets rid of Free, Doms linked to him. Dom would be next. and Greg wouldnt hesitate to take over the GM spot like his buddy Belicheat.

    crazy?? maybe. but crazy is the perfect cover.

  124. Buc1987 Says:

    BamBamBuc…well I guess it’s a wait and see then.

  125. tonytwocents Says:

    *you guys can throw Schiano a pass if you want.

  126. BamBamBuc Says:

    I keep laughing every time I hear the “we’ve got too much talent” line tossed around. I hate to tell people, but there’s not as much as we’d really like to think. Do we have VJ and MW? Yeah, but every team has two WRs for opponents to cover. Who’s our #3? Who’s our TE? Every defense can cover two. Oh, but we have a run game… not without a decent O-line, and I would have to say that 3/5 of our line is over-rated at this point. Penn is incredibly over-rated by Bucs fans and wasn’t worth his contract extension when he got it and is now declining in skills. Nicks wasn’t healthy last year or so far this year. Joseph has battled injury and has also been shown as over-rated by sites like PFF. That leaves Dotson and Zuttah, neither of which strike fear in anyone. Our D-line has GMC (one good year out of 3), a rookie, a “promising” DE recovering from injury, and a “not so promising” DE recovering from several injuries. We have 2 starting caliber LBs out of 3, one starting caliber CB (when most teams have 3 or more receiving targets), and two Safeties that can be good if they limit the penalties (which is why they can be “good” is because they brutalize players).

    We are SO overloaded with talent, we ALMOST have a starting lineup.

  127. Buc1987 Says:

    Wow crazy minds. People are going crazy around here now. I think I’d rather remain in the dark about all this and just be fan. good night.

  128. Hawaiian Buc Says:


    How do expect the reporters to know that kind of stuff? They don’t know any more than you or me, because they aren’t football players or coaches. Pretty sure Rick Stroud didn’t suit up for the Bucs back in the day. Read Steve White’s posts if you want that.

  129. Buc1987 Says:

    Waaaaaaaaaaaaay too much over-speculating. Have fun though.

  130. tonytwocents Says:

    Sully 4 HC…

    Its the Kapernick effect. New blood. Rejuvination. A leader waiting in the wings. Not the same stale rhetoric that leads to mediocrity.

  131. tonytwocents Says:


    what can I say. Im a deep thinker. I love chess. playing every angle.

  132. tonytwocents Says:


    unless they sign Underwood, butterfingers is our #3. and our TE is apparently still sidelined due to his preseason injury in the 4th game, playing out of position.

  133. bucrightoff Says:

    Sully for head coach is one of the dumber things I’ve heard. We want a less experienced coach? With the talent on this roster, if Schiano is fired the Bucs will be the most wanted job. I know people would be weary of a college guy again but I wouldn’t mind seeing David Shaw.

  134. Andrew 1 Says:

    @ Hawaiian

    if these same reports spent as much energy and time reviewing the game as they do coming up with this “stories”, I bet they could actually talk about football. but thank you for refuring me to Steve White as I did not know about him. do you know the website that he regularly posts on?

  135. BamBamBuc Says:

    And don’t get me wrong and think I am down on the team and they don’t have a chance. I’ve said I think we have a good shot at 10 wins this year and the playoffs.

    My point is that we have “enough” talent that IF they play together, as a team, everybody pulls their weight… we can win a lot of games with the talent we have. We have enough to be good. Great? I’m not so sure about that yet, although “any given Sunday”.

    I understand NO team in the NFL is “complete”. They all have holes, weaknesses. I just see this team as having enough holes to either totally fall apart or come together and surprise a lot of people. I truly thought Schiano and the staff would do just that… bring them together, get the to play as one cohesive unit. What’s being said now, what’s “gotten out”, be it truth or not… is leading me to believe that there is no chance this staff can pull these guys together as one unit and get the most out of them. They are divided into factions. And that is recipe for disaster.

    After watching the game again Monday, I really thought we could still be a very good team this year, the mistakes were not horrible and easily correctable, just at inopportune times. After this week of division amongst the team and staff, I now have my doubts as to whether or not they can recover and the media has definitely not helped this team reunite. Let national media run with it after the initial break in the story (after all, they pretty much ignore Tampa anyway), but the local media needs to step back and at least give the team a chance to reunite. They already got their “credit” for “breaking the story” and 5 minutes of fame on the Big Networks.

  136. Hawaiian Buc Says:


    It doesn’t matter, because that’s not what the average fan wants anyway. They have to appeal to the masses if they want to keep their job.

    I don’t want to post the link (sometimes Joe doesnt like that), but you can just google ” passing on the game 2.0″. Really good stuff, but probably won’t make you feel so warm and fuzzy. Just a heads up.

  137. BamBamBuc Says:

    Andrew, search for Steve White Passing on the Game 2.0 on Blogspot and I’m sure you’ll find the great football analysis he does. (however, I do stay away from his twitter as it is heavily loaded with political opinion)

  138. Andrew 1 Says:

    Thank you Hawaiian! this is exactly what im looking for! I feel like I just hit the jackpot lol

  139. tonytwocents Says:


    this team can most definitely overcome and be playoff bound. but IMO, 3 things need to happen:

    1) Shiano needs to give up his offense to Sully

    2) Freeman needs to man up and grow up

    3) If 1 & 2 happen, the team needs to back Schiano AND Freeman with no dissenters

  140. BamBamBuc Says:

    So, the team needs to unite… exactly. Which is ever so much more difficult to do when the media is scrutinizing and sensationalizing every little peep out of any player or coaches mouth at this point just to get a “breaking story”. So, 1 can happen… 2 can happen… but for 3, the media needs to back off and let it happen.

  141. BamBamBuc Says:

    And yes, Andrew, you just hit the jackpot. Steve’s breakdowns are excellent. I often wish I could get some of the blind bashers on here to get there and read what he has to say, so they can realize exactly how much went wrong and where significant fault lies. This week’s article show’s exactly that.

  142. tonytwocents Says:

    @BamBam, I remember reading your assessment. It was well written, and it gives you hope.

    but you must have caught the sideline footage of Schiano barking at Sully while he’s about to call in a play at the end of the game.

    Its that kind of over-the-shoulder backseat coaching that ruined our playcalling and limited Freemans effectiveness.

    Couch Fan mentioned, (and I think its plausible), that Schiano didnt want Sully to open up the full playbook because we play NO next… and we see them twice a year.

  143. tonytwocents Says:

    as far as the media, fu(k em…(sorry Joe. but fu(k em)

    play the media, dont let the media play you.. jedi mind trick you. so I see the media as a non factor. I go by what I see on gameday, and what is said in pressers and interviews.

  144. Andrew 1 Says:

    @ BamBamBuc

    your right. that website is absolutely great. Im glad you guys refereed it to me. kinda wish they had it in a video format, but ill definatly take.

  145. BUCSLEGENDS Says:

    BamBamBuc, “All I can say is That over the past decade or two”… Finally someone making perfect sense, the media has been F’D up for a long time and sheeple (stole that from an earlier comment, had to it was just to good) do eat it up . It’s like watching a high speed pursuit. the media just stops everything and only follows the chase. I have to admit I am sometimes a sheep because for some reason I can’t stop watching.
    As far as what’s BS and what isn’t…, I don’t know I wasn’t there. Only time will tell. Speaking of time, I CAN’T WAIT TIL SUNDAY !!!!!!! STAY STRONG BUC FANS !!!!!!!

  146. tonytwocents Says:

    Sully 4 HC.

    I keep saying this so I can plant that seed…. Into the subconscious of whoever sees it. Fans, players, coaches.

    Because since we preach competition at every level, it doesnt stop at HC. And if Schiano slips, doesn’t adjust, we DO have options.

    …The time is now. We’re done rebuilding. We just want to see results.

  147. Marc Says:

    Well said Joe. Is all about a ‘W’ on Sunday.

  148. MadMax Says:

    Anybody know whats up with Clayborn’s hip? He’s listed as probable.

  149. MadMax Says:


  150. MadMax Says:

    ok then, lol.

  151. PRBucFan Says:

    Joe reality IS

    its going to be week 2 of a new season, let’s not act like it’s anything more

  152. Keith Says:

    The NFL season is 20 games. That leaves 345 days to obsess about everything under the sun. I don’t blame media, Joe or anyone else. Joe does an awesome job here mixing it up and staying fair.

  153. MadMax Says:

    Alright, its been over an hour and my post still isnt posting…no curse words (try to watch that Joe) and it still isnt showing.

  154. BuccaneerBonzai Says:

    Clayborn is right, Joe.

    You are a little more responsible than others but the local and national media has been making things up and running with it for years. It happened this week when one of our lcal guys said, as fact, that the players only meeting was to discuss Freeman and Schiano. The reporter did not report the facts. He was on national tv and wanted a scoop. Meanwhile multiple players stated that neither Freeman (who was at the meeting) or Schiano came up…that it was a meeting to get players fired up…a pep rally.

    Pete Prisco once again mentioned that he reported friction between Schiano and Freeman, finally came to ask them, made a retraction and now he is saying he thinks they lied.

    Whatever gets you exposure, right?

    The players and coaches constantly shoot these things down but the media tells us something and fans are chosing to not believe the source and believe the reporters instead. It’s the fault of the fans that this happens so much because instead of demanding accountability they let these lies feed into their emotions.

    It is happening all the time now. The wide road of lies is easily followed. The narrow road of truth is not.

  155. BuccaneerBonzai Says:

    The truth is, the only way to make them accountable is by affecting their sales or ratings.

    There is a website…drats, whats it called…oh yeah, fact check. It focuses on politics. Imagine if we had a website like that whose focus was on whether zports stories were truthful. THAT would be a popular site.


  156. mpmalloy Says:

    I understand Clayborn’s take.
    I love this site and have a lot of fun here
    but it does get like a zoo sometimes (and that’s part of it’s charm)
    and I see where players could be irritated by it.
    Fans and media are equally culpable with the media as the instigator.
    That said, this is entertainment and sports in America.
    You get fame and money but you go under the public microscope
    and you get expectations.

    Just be glad you’re not on the Jets, Clayborn.
    Go Bucs!

  157. Kirk Says:

    The local hacks have thrown a pile of shit against a wall, nothing more, nothing less. Crappy news sells and many are buying into it. Problem here is that the local hacks would eff up a shit sandwich, they would put so much salt on it, they couldn’t eat it.

  158. MovieBob Says:

    Put a big rush on Brees, cool it with the penalties and upset Da Saints. The media gaggle will spin around faster than Linda Blair’s head.

    Meanwhile, we should appreciate JBFan for showing us more facets to the “story” than the stuff we get from ratings-hungry shouters.

  159. Sharon Says:


    Nicks has not played 2 games yet and it has not been 19 days yet. Show me 1 thing I have been wrong about! Go

  160. Ricky Bobby Says:

    Look guys, I’m just saying.. I have “inside knowledge” from a “source”, and you “just gotta trust me”….

    Come the fuck on Hawaiian Buc! I’m not buying SHIT you’re saying. You admitted yourself you are in Hawaii. Or was that a lie? How much face time do you get with an “insider” to get the “inside scoop”? Get the fuck outta here, bro. You’re garbage as much as Joe has been for a while now.

    Oh yeah, I come here for the drama. It’s better than my soaps!

  161. Kirk Says:

    Our local hacks look for negative with the Buccaneers like there is a reward for it. It is all BS.

  162. Couch Fan Says:

    This is so funny how everybody wants to jump on Joe and just assume all the info is false because nobody has admitted to it. NEWS FLASH!!! What player is going to admit to this? Dont be stupid people… Joe is a Bucs fan like the rest of us. He’s not going to put a story out that is ALL RUMOR and no substance…

    I swear I never seen so many people who are so proud to be so blind.

  163. chris Says:

    I think a lot of these reports are overblown. But it’s the median job to report the information they recieved.

    Schiano isn’t a coach that will cover up for grown men’s immaturity. Ask dez Briscoe and kellen Winslow for that. Talib as well.

    The Bucs need to come in prepared. Last week was the week 1 kinks. The were no real reps in preseason so last week should be a wake up call for Schiano and the rest of the team.

    Still ticked Dominik didn’t go out and get a G or quality 3rd WR. Instead of giving up a 6th for the worthless Carimi, he should have talked to Seattle before Harvin went down and got Doug Baldwin for the slot.

  164. Bobby Says:

    The only substantiated reporting was on the team photo shoot and since it was scheduled at 6:30 in the morning I guess it’s understandable why he overslept but certainly not excusable. However, do you really friggin’ believe that it’s the start of a sinking ship like so many of the media are reporting. It went from Josh missing a team photo to Schiano rigging the votes to a team meeting being called to discuss Freeman’s commitment. Only the team photo shoot had substantiated sources admitted by Schiano and Freeman. The other stories were admitted to be false by both the team and the media.

    Like I said, I don’t have any problem holding a team or individuals accountable with factual reporting but when you just start making crap up and start quoting sources as ambiguous as “someone at 1 Buc place” or “a veteran player told me” etc. that’s when I start saying it’s crossed over into hack journalism. Especially when you start backtracking and admitting that the stories were premature and false. There really isn’t one sports writer or reporter in this town that hasn’t partaken to some degree. It’s a shame.

  165. lightningbuc Says:

    It’s hilarious to hear all the goobs talking about how this is all unsabstantiated. Ira Kaufman initially reported on the meeting being about Schiano and JFro’s lack of committment. Kaufman is one of 46 members of the NFL Hall of Fame Selection Committee. I’m sure he was selected because of all the inaccurate reporting that he has done over the years. He made the presentation for Warren Sapp, and will do so for Brooks, Barber, Lynch, etc. If you JFro Jock Sniffers don’t think he has moles all around One Buc, you are sadly mistaken.

  166. Buddha Says:

    Bring back Raheem. The players loved playing for him.

  167. BamBamBuc Says:

    So Ira Kaufman never speculates? Never states an opinion that people take as fact? In a Q&A in 2010, Kaufman suggested Dom needed to have a great draft, get 3 or 4 starters in the draft or he may be gone. The same draft that got us the likes of Brian Price, Arrelious Benn, Myron Lewis, Brent Bowden. Funny enough, his 2011 draft wasn’t much better, yet he’s still around. I guess Ira’s “moles” were wrong on that one. Or it was just speculation and opinion, which is what “reporters” do now. It’s not reporting, it’s “put something out there and see what bites”. Sure, there is something behind it, a tidbit or rumor or he said/she said… but it’s not fact, just “this guy said” or “that guy said”. Well, they may have found someone that “said” something and that part is fact, but what was said is not necessarily fact. That’s what reporters used to do, get that tidbit then track down the story, dig for the truth. Now it’s run with the tidbit and who cares if the truth ever comes out, I got the scoop!

  168. Hawaiian Buc Says:

    Ricky Bobby (great name by the way),

    Like I said, I don’t expect anyone to believe me. You are totally fair in your doubting me. If I could tell you why I would, but there’s a very good reason why I can’t . Joe probably has a good idea why. I do live in Hawaii too.

  169. Bobby Says:

    Apparently Ira does speculate because the meeting turned out to NOT be about Freeman’s commitment and as a matter of fact Freeman was in attendance. That should answer your question right there.

  170. Bobby Says:

    Do I have to do all your research for you Lightningbuc?? Don’t you read?

  171. BigMacAttack Says:

    I like Clayborn may be my favorite Buc. I tried to find his jersey today but ended up with Martin 22, first offensive jersey I’ve had. I look for our D line to have a big game tomorrow. First home game totally stoked and heading up early.

    Go Bucs!!! Pummel the Saints!!!

  172. PRBucFan Says:

    Lol Joe and the media did it’s job and what they were trying to do all along

    Get a reaction

    They can deny it all they want, doesn’t change that that’s their goal

  173. Kevin Says:

    When Warren Sapp and the bucs heard evryone caaling them the “yucks” years ago…it sparked a fire. The same team losing came out kicking ass after they got mad and tired of being losers. This team has been in almost every game they have lost going back to the beginning of last season. They just seam like they’re missing a fire. The talent is all there, but something is not firing right. It’s like a flame that runs out of air. I don’t know, I feel like if number 5 was a little more fired up the team would follow suit. We need some energy in the building. Someone to yell and scream, run around and get the team fired up…SOMETHING!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Someones gotta step up and make it happen. The talent is there.

  174. Raphael Says:

    Bobby ….6:30 am on Labor Day morning was the photo shoot I heard

  175. j lynch Says:

    Rapheal were you there to be Freemans Fluffer????????????????????????