Bucs Not Built For “Week 12 Or Week 14”

July 19th, 2013

Chris Landry

Longtime scout and national radio personality Chris Landry is very down on the Buccaneers’ depth.

Today’s Eric Wright trade for thin air merely highlights the Bucs’ major weakness, so Landry explained on WDAE-AM 620 this evening. Every Friday Landry dives into all things college and pro football Xs and Os and Buccaneers with the dean of Tampa Bay sports radio, Steve Duemig, but today he was with Duemig’s fill-in, J.P. Peterson.

“For all the talk about Revis and Goldson, they just don’t have a lot of depth on this team defensively. In fact, they don’t have a lot of depth period. This is where I think they really fall short,” Landry said.

“Teams that can spread you out could have a lot of success. Revis is not going to cover everybody. I mean, you know, they’re going to play more single-high safety looks, which is what Bill Sheridan wants to do, no question. And maybe that’ll improve the pass rush. But for goodness sakes, you’ve got four guys on the defensive line you can count on. You hope they can stay healthy, and where’s the rotation coming from? I don’t see it from a depth standpoint. … In reality when you start playing football and it’s week 12 or week 14, I don’t know how this team’s going to shape up. Everybody has to deal with injuries and depth. I don’t know that the Bucs match up as well from a bottom-of-the-roster standpoint as maybe some other teams.”

Yes, the Bucs are banking on a lot of players staying healthy and a lot of young players, like rookies Johnthan Banks and Akeem Spence, contributing in major roles.

No, Eric Wright was not the savior of the Bucs. Hardly. But he did represent solid depth and experience, and the New Schiano Order clearly planned on him being a major contributor only a few weeks ago. (You can hear all of Landry’s take on Wright below.) 

77 Responses to “Bucs Not Built For “Week 12 Or Week 14””

  1. BigSombrero Says:

    This depth issue is a bit of an overreaction. Fact is we are much better off depth wise across the board than we were last season. D line, CB, etc. This isn’t as bad as 2012 in fact I would say we are comparable to a lot of teams in the NFL depth wise.

  2. Tampabucks05 Says:

    JOE — Don’t see what the big deal is honestly. Consider the following. Wright likely facing 8-game suspension in 2013. Leonard Johnson was the most productive CB in 2013. Bucs signed CB Michael Adams (Cards), a 7-year vet, earlier this off-season. Who is Mike Adams? Who is Eric Wright tho?

  3. Tampabucks05 Says:

    Leonard Johnson was the team’s most productive CB in 2012.***

  4. BigSombrero Says:

    Adams was a decent signing but its not only about him. Leonard Johnson played extremely well as a undrafted free agent thrust into the starting role. Gorrer has decent potential but was a mid season signing that will finally get an offseason to learn the defense. Gaitor was battling injury. Revis is better than Talib and Wright combined. Plus we added a lot of potential in Banks and Carr, while being to early to know either way, is getting a lot of buzz.

    Again we are much better off at CB this year compared to last.

  5. Andrew 1 Says:

    keep bringing on the doomsday prophecies Joe. its going to make things that much sweeter when we win.

  6. Tampabaybucfan Says:

    I believe we have more depth than many think. Depth is something we can evaluate after we determine what we have after training camp.
    Its not over….we have new cap space with Wright & perhaps Barth. Other teams will be cutting players to free space and to make room for acquisitions.
    Have patience. Cutting Wright was like removing a tumor. No choice…
    And…..don’t forget Myron!!!

  7. BigSombrero Says:

    @Andrew 1
    I don’t think Joe is bringing the doomsday prophecies. In fact he’s one of the few journalists both local and national, that hasn’t jumped off the cliff in reference to Tampa.

    It’s pretty much everyone else bringing up the doom and gloom 5 win season, no depth stuff. Im not an expert nfl wise but I have been watching for 17 years now and I really feel we have a good team that will be a definite playoff contender but who knows, maybe the majority of the media is right this time.

    I agree though, it will be nice to watch them try to wipe the egg off of their faces when things arent as bad as they claim. That is, if they have the balls to acknowledge they were wrong for once.

  8. Buc1987 Says:

    I actually agree with this dude to a point. I don’t see a lot of depth. Then again he failed to mention how much depth there is on other teams. Oh he does say “bottom-of-the-roster standpoint as maybe some other teams.”

    Okay then which teams is he talking about? I mean atleast throw some out there. Very vague statement if you ask me.

  9. the_buc_realist Says:


    soooooo,, your saying the pop-star has to dumbster dive again to fill a NFL roster. lolololololo0

  10. Buc1987 Says:

    @BigSombrero…ya know what? I don’t think the national media experts know more about this team then say us fans that follow them constantly. That’s my honest opinion. It does not make us homers either to say that they are wrong.

  11. BigSombrero Says:

    Exactly Buc1987. Our depth across the board is comparable to a lot of other teams. This whole thing is an over reaction. No team has a bunch of all pros waiting in the wings at every position. You just hope that the season ending injuries are few and far between so the backups don’t have to start for too many games.

    Yeah we are a shallow at linebacker and a bit so at d line but even at d line we have improved since last season. CB wise we are way better off and Safety is fine. O line wise we have great depth. WR wise we are better off with the addition of Ogletree and the hopeful development of Owusu. RB we have two guys in Leonard and James that can provide a lot of flexiblity, something that even though I liked Blount, we didn’t have last year.

    Everyone needs to take a minute, breath, and step away from the ledge.

  12. Andrew 1 Says:

    @ BigSombrero

    Joe controls what news he wants us to read, and lately its been all “Journalist” who have been predicting us to fail, so in a way he is bringing it to us. I swear if didnt read anything else but JBF I would think that EVERY national media head has us losing next season. now in no way was I saying what Joe should and shouldnt post, all I was saying is that since I cant control all this negative crap being posted Ill embrace it, along with our winning season.

  13. the_buc_realist Says:


    these “journalist” are not predicting the Bucs to fail. rather they predicted the the Bucs will stay the course, which has been,,, well you know,,,,,less than stellar.

  14. BigSombrero Says:

    @Andrew 1
    That first part is more true than some may think. Not every journalist has us failing but a lot do. From what I have gathered from most of Joes comments, he believes we will be competitive at least if not more. But there are plenty of people thinking we are a less than .500 team.

  15. BigSombrero Says:

    They could be right of course. I don’t believe so but we do have some issues just like every other team. And just like every other team, things could go well or they could go wrong. I think the lack of depth thing isn’t as big of an issue as most media types are claiming though. I think in that respect, we are average at least.

  16. Andrew 1 Says:

    @ BigSombrero

    No I know, its not Joe predicting us to fail next season, if it was then I wouldnt be visiting this site. but at the same time theres got to be somebody, anybody nationally who thinks we are going to be good, you would never know that if you visited this site alone

  17. tmaxcon Says:

    With all the overpaid qbs in the league and salary cap the lack of depth effects every team. No team can survive a rash of injuries without young players stepping up. Most teams have top heavy payrolls. Part of the parity which makes the nfl the best is teams dodging the injury bug or the big injury.

  18. RCS Says:

    I don’t think depth is the issue. Its more the lack of game time experience. Danny G, Gaitor, Melvin and even Tandy (who can play anywhere in the secondary)

  19. Buc1987 Says:

    Has Joe dropped a prediction as to what the Bucs season will look like? I mean he does tell us what he thinks about what certain experts have to say. Nevermind I guess he has told us. He thinks the Bucs are not good enough to win the division which is what it will take for us to make the playoffs. That’s where Joe and I disagree. I also don’t agree with his theory that the NFC is stacked this year that’s why a wild card is impossible for the Bucs. Nobody really knows. I guess it’s all just offseason speculation.

  20. Buc1987 Says:

    @Andrew 1…thanks for that earlier tip about buc_realist. It so much easier now. I just skip right over it not reading a bit of it. Because why bother anyways it’s just the same old redundant negative BS?

  21. Illuminati Says:

    Seriously, people. This guy is right on. As Bucs fans, we’re so used to paper-thin rosters that we get all excited whenever we acquire a solid NFL starter.

    We only have two secondary players that would be locks to start on most other teams, and we just acquired them. We have one linebacker that would probably start for most other teams, and he’s a second-year player. We have one d-lineman that would be a lock to start on most other teams.

    Offensively, we have three linemen that would likely start for most NFL teams, which is great. We have a stud young running back that would be the feature back on most other teams. We have a number one receiver that would be a lock virtually anywhere, and a number two that would be a lock many places, and absolutely no one behind them. Tight end is a joke. Quarterback is a huge question mark.

    We absolutely have to be healthy and play well to win. As I’ve said before, we have just enough talent to make a championship run, and just enough holes to miss the playoffs altogether.

    Go back and look at our 2002 roster. The receiving corps was Johnson, McCardell, Jurevicious, and Karl “The Truth” Williams, among others. Not bad. Pittman and Alstott in the backfield. Formidable. Rice, Sapp, Booger, and Spires on the d-line. Monsters. Singleton, Brooks, and Quarles at LB. Epic. Barber, Kelly, Lynch, and Jackson in the secondary. Are you kidding?

    Our Super Bowl team was way deeper than this team. We can win this year, but let’s not kid ourselves. Stacked up against the rest of the teams in this league, we’re not that great.

  22. Andrew 1 Says:

    @ Buc1987

    lol I know! its great isnt it. its like a real bucs fan website without the disguised panther and saints fans.

  23. Kevin Says:

    How solid do you think Eric Wright would have been for us week 16 against the 49rs after they lost the superbowl last season. Put that on top of his Shenanigans and I’ll take a rookie or second year guy over him. We do not have depth but Wright was no more than a bench warming caliber CB. He’s a depressed drunk who cannot follow rules and cares about nobody but himself. Congratulations Eric, pretty soon you’ll have to find a way to make an honest living like the rest of us. Dumbass!!!!!

  24. BFFL Says:

    I thought Wright was the guy that would get picked on. Now that he’s gone these same people say the Bus secondary will miss him and how great of an addition it is for the 49ers.

  25. Andrew 1 Says:

    @ BigSombrero

    all Im saying is that a little more optimistic journalist every once in a while would be much appreciate. but I get it though, these guys get people talking and at the end of the day Joe does what he feels is best for his website to keep prospering. so Ill continue to keep it in stride. I also agree with you that our depth is average.

  26. BigSombrero Says:

    Well thats the problem, I agree. But there aren’t many out there that actually think the Bucs will be good. Coach Billick is pretty fair to small market teams and there are a few more but most media guys think the Bucs will be below average.

    I scour the internet daily for Bucs news and most of it is less than optimistic. Thats just how the majority of the media feels about us. Hey, at least they are discussing us, thats a move in the right direction. Better than them completely ignoring the franchise I suppose.

  27. BigMacAttack Says:

    This no loss. Wright would have strained something in the 2’nd half of the first game, missed the next four games and ended up on IR by week 6. The guy is a bum and I can’t believe San Fran would give anything for him, probably a 7’th and up to a 6’th if he makes the team. I’ll take the rookies instead.

  28. Biff Barker Says:

    Some pretty good discussion going on here.
    I side with Landry because so much of our roster has put so little on film. It’s a perfectly fair observation.
    Equally as unfair is to float the “Doomsday Joe” label for posting a credible NFL source’s opinion.
    Shyte, I’m delighted it’s not about Freeman.

  29. BuccaneerBonzai Says:

    Tampabucks05 Says: July 19th, 2013 at 6:19 pm

    “Leonard Johnson was the team’s most productive CB in 2012.”

    I assume you mean the best on the Bucs team? So he was the best of the worse in the league?

    You people are crazy. Depth is a HUGE issue on this team. Imagine if one of our DTs gets injured. Or a member of the oline.

    Or Doug Martin? Or Revis?

    Now imagine that three starters get injured. Going by recent years that would be conservative.

    I’m not freaking out…but lets not pretend Landry is wrong. We have a backup DT starting next to GMC. That’s all Spence is until he proves otherwise.

  30. BuccaneerBonzai Says:

    I do think the move to get rid of Wright was the right move. Depth was an issue before this happened.

  31. BuccaneerBonzai Says:

    At least we’ll find out about Demps soon.

  32. Andrew 1 Says:

    its funny you should mention Spence as a backup because as of right now it looks like either Gibson or Landri is going to get the start ahead of him.

    ” Imagine if one of our DTs gets injured”

    depends on which one you mean. if any one of those NTs gets injured we will be fine. but if McCoy gets injured… were screwed. that was my biggest gripe about the draft is that we did not get a DT higher up at say Glennon’s spot. we are just going to have to cross our fingers on that one.

    though we dont have great depth overall, we do have pretty good depth in certain spots like the O line, WRs , and RB position. depth is just something we are going to have to continue working on over the years. its impossible to get a complete team in one offseason.

  33. Andrew 1 Says:

    as for Demps, I dont know if you’ve read this or not but Ive read he plans on joining the team by mid August after his Olympic stuff is out of the way. that would be a huge addition.

  34. snook Says:

    Depth is overrated. Any team that runs into injuries is doomed. Look at the Falcons roster. Not much depth there either.

  35. BigSombrero Says:

    People who keep claiming that depth is a MAJOR issue please, give some examples of the many teams that are better off depth wise. Go ahead…

  36. Buc'n Junkie Says:

    One thing about the whole deal is that you really can’t blame the Bucs. Even if it meant trading away 8 years of NFL experience and reasonable depth, I think standing on your principles, and team laurels, means a lot more than what one player may do, even knowing that it could hurt this team still looking for answers. They gave Eric every opportunity to make things right for himself but he just couldn’t toe the line. Just like Talib, the Bucs did Wright a favor trading him to last years SB runner’s up. Me? Would’ve been Canadian League.

  37. Buc1987 Says:

    Demps with that 4.24 speed whoa I hope your right Andrew 1

  38. BuccaneerBonzai Says:

    Andrew 1 Says: July 19th, 2013 at 9:51 pm

    “as for Demps, I dont know if you’ve read this or not but Ive read he plans on joining the team by mid August after his Olympic stuff is out of the way. that would be a huge addition.”

    Actually he is waiting to see if he is named to a team that will be competing in Moscow. If he doesn’t make the team we will see him sooner.

    BigSombrero Says: July 19th, 2013 at 10:49 pm

    People who keep claiming that depth is a MAJOR issue please, give some examples of the many teams that are better off depth wise. Go ahead…”

    Every team that made the playoffs last year.

  39. BigSombrero Says:

    Even if that is true, that means 12 teams have better depth than us. Doesn’t sound like we are in dire straits to me considering there are 32 teams in the league.

  40. BigSombrero Says:

    I say even if that is true because its hard to convince me Minnesota has better depth than Tampa. Washington and Indy is pretty comparable as well.

  41. Buc1987 Says:

    Every team that made the playoffs last year.

    Just because a team made the playoffs last year does NOT mean they will make it this year.

  42. Buc1987 Says:

    If Matty Ice goes down. Does Atlanta win the division again? I say nope. Things happen man. It’s great that we can pass the time away and speculate though.

  43. Andrew 1 Says:

    @ BuccaneerBonzai

    oh, good stuff i didnt know that. do you know when they are going to name the team thats headed to Moscow? if its sooner rather than later that would be great. all i know is that I read an article on pewter report that said he plans to join the team by mid August. I was excited when i read that but it looks like you might be right on this one.

  44. Buc1987 Says:

    Off topic : I was on my wife’s Facebook last night (cause I will never have one) and saw this dude mention how he just got his season tix in the mail. Not having mine yet. I waited to check the mailbox today. Nope. Bummed out I called the ticket office. They informed me that they have been flooded with season ticket purchasers this season and are running a little behind. The dude told me I’d be getting mine in the next day or early next week. Pack the house Buc fans, pack the house. AND for once in your lives BE LOUD when the D is on the field.

  45. BuccaneerBonzai Says:

    Andrew 1 Says
    “we do have pretty good depth in certain spots like the O line, WRs , and RB position. depth is just something we are going to have to continue working on over the years. its impossible to get a complete team in one offseason.”

    While we do at WR you are mistaken about oline and RB. At OG we have only a rookie for a backup…and not a tauted one.

    At OT we currently have 8 on the 90 man roster. Of those 8, 3 are rookies, one is an unproven 2nd year player, one has 3 years in and has not done well at all, one is Penn (starter), one is Dotson (projected starter but hardly proven) and a guy with as many years as Dotson (5) but still has not proven himself.

    Inconsistant play at the backup positions on our oline led to more QB pressures on Freeman last year. Our starters are healthy, but the RT and the backups are highly questionable. The Bucs feel the same. That’s why they have 7 guys competing for backup spots.

    At RB we have Martin (starter), Micheal Smith ( very unproven), Mike James (late rounder very unproven), a 7 yr bust and Demps…who may not even play.

    That is not good depth.

    I realize teams don’t get starters as backups, but you at least want some level of security on both lines.

  46. Buc1987 Says:

    @Illuminati…. you named all starters in your list of players on the SB team. Where did you show the depth? I know it’s 4 hrs later and prolly won’t get an answer from you, but maybe someone else can explain his post to me.

  47. BigSombrero Says:

    O line is where we are best at depth wise. Sure if you look at our actual guards it doesn’t look good but a lot of our linemen can move around as we saw last season. We have guys that can step in at guard, again as we saw last season, and play well enough to keep us going.

  48. Buc1987 Says:

    @BuccaneerBonzai …yes @RB I would have prefered to have kept Blount.

  49. Buc1987 Says:

    wait on 2nd thought when Blount joined the Bucs nobody knew who the ef he was….so all this IS speculation.

  50. Andrew 1 Says:

    @ BuccaneerBonzai

    Im going to have to disagree. for one thing you forgot to mention RB Brian Leonard. with the beastly oline we have I believe the combination of Leonard and James can get it done if Doug Martin gets injured.

    at O line we have former starters Ted Larson and Jamon Meredith (both played really well when pressed into action last season) as well as former first round pick Gabe Carimi all backing up our starters. thats the best depth at O line we have ever had.

  51. BuccaneerBonzai Says:

    Andrew 1, I’m not sure when he’ll find out. PFT said that he won’t be in camp this week…so maybe he’ll know in time fore the following week? I hope so. I don’t know how he’ll do as a KR but I’d sure like to find out!

  52. Andrew 1 Says:

    since we are still on the topic, there are also other spots that have good depth as well such as the LBs, and DE positions.

    backup LBs- Jonathan Casillas, veteran Adam Hayward, and Keith Tandy.

    backup DEs- Steven Mean, William Gholston (who I believe can step in and start right away), and former starter Daniel Te’o-Nesheim.

    thats not a bad group right there.

  53. Buc1987 Says:

    @ Andrew 1 if Doug Martin gets injured.

    You just made me cringe.

  54. Buc1987 Says:

    Daniel Te’o-Nesheim<~~~this guy I like

  55. PRBucFan Says:

    I honestly don’t care about “other teams” depth lol

    That’s no concern of mine.

    My only thought is what exactly is any different personnel wise from the disaster corners we had last year???

    Revis and Adams… lets hope neither get hurt (not saying they will or they won’t)

    Unless I’m missing something.

  56. Andrew 1 Says:

    @ Buc1987

    I know, God forbid that happens. I find it funny how they say the RB position has been devalued and yet one the most important players on this team is Doug. still with our great O line I believe our backups in step in and not miss a beat. they only reason why I believe this is because of the O line. without them we would be in trouble without Doug.

  57. Buc'n Junkie Says:

    Kieth Tandy is a DB, safety

  58. BigSombrero Says:

    Tandy is a Safety though and I think linebacker is one of our weaker positions depth wise. If Foster or David go down I think there is a significant drop in talent afterward.

    We are better of on the d line this season as opposed to last but I think we could still be better depth wise there. I would say we are well off depth wise at safety and o line and comparable to most other teams at CB, D line, and WR. RB is a question mark depth wise depending on what we have in James.

    As with most teams QB is always an issue depth wise and we have some problems at linebacker. I like Crabtree and still hold out some hope for Stocker but its hard to argue that we aren’t lacking a bit at TE.

  59. Buc'n Junkie Says:

    One things for sure, at least the 9ers have so much CB help they’re talking cutting Carlos Rodgers. The Bucs will find another replacement. Hey, maybe Rodgers.

  60. Andrew 1 Says:

    Im sorry my mistake, I meant Najee Goode.

  61. BamBamBuc Says:

    Actually, I think our depth has about as much or more game experience than most teams. Other than QB and RB, our whole O-line was makeshift last year, and our backups played a lot. Whoever our #3 WR is has seen the field a decent chunk last year. D-line… Teo-Nesheim played a good part of the year, only Gholston is a rookie that hasn’t played at all. Spence should be a starter, but Landri saw good time in 2011 for the Eagles and Gibson played a decent amount for us in rotation. Casillas, Watson and Hayward have all seen time on the field at LB. With Revis and Banks starting, Leonard Johnson, Gaitor, Gorrer, etc all saw a significant amount of time last year. At Safety.. Ahmad Black played a good chunk last year and (if he makes the team) Cody Grimm as well. I don’t see the problem with “depth”.

  62. BigSombrero Says:


    Adams? Why is he such a major concern? The guy is looking at 4th corner at best right now in my opinion. I’ll agree losing Revis will hurt but we will still be better off than last year because Gorrer had an offseason to learn the defense instead of being picked up mid year and thrown into a s***show of a secondary. Johnson played well enough to step in and be a #2 for a few games if needed. Hopefully Banks can perform serviceably. And lets not overlook how improved safety play can help the corners.

  63. BigSombrero Says:


    Absolutely agree. We have experienced bench guys that while not being all pros, have proven their ability to be serviceable players in the league when called upon to play limited snaps. Good as stop gaps for a couple games in the case of injury or to spell players during games.

  64. Buc1987 Says:

    I thought Johnson did a pretty decent job at DB. This being yr 2 for him he might be even better. I still say they need to go shopping for another DB, but I’m not in charge. I think they will go shopping as players from other get cut during pre-season.

  65. Buc1987 Says:

    Damn it’s getting past my bedtime, leaving words out and shyte.
    as players from other TEAMS get cut during pre-season.

  66. MadMax Says:

    I miss a day and miss a lot….what a p o s this wright is….he talks the talk but cant walk it…..time for rehab man.

  67. Buc1987 Says:

    Will you all be happy if we get Biggers back? Ha ha ha ha ha

  68. Buc'n Junkie Says:

    I was thinking maybe they bring back ex-Buc Elbert Mack. There’s not much available in free agency. We could take a flier on 33 yo Rashean Mathis who’s been trying to recover from an ACL . He played 10 years in Jacksonville.

  69. PRBucFan Says:


    I never said he was a concern of any sort

    I said they were our only new CB’s on our roster and if you subtract Wright and add Adams with the exception of Revis we are looking at the same CB roster (without Biggers) as last season.

    Let’s hope we stay fortunate on the injury front. I do agree with you that they undoubtedly are better because of experience. I apologize because somehow Banks slipped my mind! lol Dumb me

  70. Andrew 1 Says:

    its all about injuries… always has been always will be especially for this team. thats why I would rather have just a good McCoy for the whole season rather than a great McCoy for half the season. his primary concern needs to be staying healthy since he is so injury prone. we’ve all seen what our defense looks without him and its not pretty.

  71. scubog Says:

    I enjoy Chris Landry and I don’t think he was being overly critical. He merely offered an opinion that if he were the GM (everybody thinks they can do it) he would have brought in multiple decent mid-level CB’s and DL’s instead of the pair of Pro-Bowlers. He just echoed J.P. Peterson’s take. Me, I’d prefer two stars than four mediocre players. Depth is great, but you win with great players not average ones. I guess it’s a case of would I want to take out the Prom Queen or two girls from the clarinet section of the Marching Band? I’m not sure where Landry got his idea that Dominik’s background is an “administrator”. Mark Dominik came up through the ranks of the scouting department.

  72. Paul Says:

    How is Cody Grimm still here and Wright gone? There comes a time where you got to dole out a different brand of discipline other than just, “your cut”.

  73. Buc1987 Says:

    Paul…Wright is staring down an 8 game suspension by the NFL.

  74. Buc1987 Says:

    Maybe beg Ronde to pull a Favre and come out of retirement. Then again I guess he would play safety all over again.

  75. Bobby Says:

    Every team has depth issues. Show me one team where the backup at every position doesn’t present a drop off in talent. It’s the friggin’ norm and I think we have way more depth offensively than most and same thing defensively. Because of injuries last year a lot of players got quality playing time. That will mean something if they have to step in this year.

  76. BuccaneerBonzai Says:

    I have to say…this is a very good thread. No one insulted anyone else. It is filled with constructive, respectful discussion of the issues.

    Well done, everyone.

  77. BuccaneerBonzai Says:

    On topic…the depth at CB did get playing time, but to say any of them did well last year is revisionist history. I will admit though, they could get better this year.