June 8th, 2013

Prickly Pete Prisco of CBSSports.com is not enamored with Bucs safety Dashon Goldson.

No, this isn’t some silly waste of time to kill on an otherwise good sports radio show (Joe loves his good friend “The Commish,” Justin Pawlowski, but that non-sports segment chases Joe to SiriusXM NFL Radio each time he hears it). This is actually the point of a column by prickly Pete Prisco of CBSSports.com, in which he picks the most overrated/underrated players on each NFL team.

For the Bucs, he believes Dashon Goldson is overrated.

Overrated: S Dashon Goldson. He’s a good, solid player, but he was exposed some in the postseason in coverage. The Bucs paid him a lot of money — star money — and he is not that.

Perhaps. But as horrible as the Bucs’ second-worst secondary in NFL history was last year, and with starting safety Ronde Barber deciding to retire, the Bucs virtually had no choice but to get the best safety on the market to plug that hole.

If Goldson really was that overrated, why did San Francisco franchise him the previous season? Trent Baalke doesn’t make many errors that large.

As for underrated, well, Prisco goes with Bucs quarterback Josh Freeman.

Underrated: QB Josh Freeman. The guy sets franchise records for yards and touchdown passes and some want to get rid of him? Please.

Joe isn’t so sure about this either. In the immortal words of Bill Parcells, you are what your record says you are. Freeman’s record is below .500 and his record against teams with a winning record is a disturbing, 6-15. That scares the hell out of Joe.

64 Responses to “Overrated/Underrated”

  1. Red86 Says:

    The Tampa Bay Buc’s record is below .500 since Freeman have became the QB. One person don’t make up a team.

  2. chris Says:

    Anyone who listens to that fat prick, no knowledge, does little research and film watching, Pete Prisco, should re-think their football sources. Jason La Canfora is getting just as bad as well.

    On Josh: I’ve been a huge critic and analyst on him. I would not say he’s overrated nor underrated. If you wanted someone who is underrated: Donald Penn. That dude gets no recognition, yet he goes toe to toe with the best DE’s in the league. He contained DeMarcus Ware, someone who no one can shut down. Jared Allen? Charles Johnson? John Abraham? Guy is a top notch LT who gets ZERO Recognition.

  3. Justin Says:

    Prisco is the worst NFL sportswriter in America.

  4. Vern4499 Says:


    How could you possibly know how much film watching he does he does? He is a national football writer obviously the people that employ him thinks he has some knowledge.

  5. FLBoyInDallas Says:

    Prisco is one of the worst analysts out there, and he’s almost always anti-Buccaneers. I don’t listen to him any longer because he’s consistently been 75%+ wrong in his observations. Nothing beats local sports writers like Joe and the PR guys for accurate Bucs reporting. They’re the closest to the action and the organization and it shows.

  6. TimBucTwo@OneBucPalace Says:

    It scares the HELL out of Joe, because Joe is weak. Joe lacks the intestinal fortitude to give Freeman his last chance. I think if were up to Joe, Freeman wouldn’t finish out the last year of his contract as the leader of the Buc offense. Joe would rather put all his marbles in a 1st year rookie Mike Glennon. Personally, I think Joe has lost his marbles, but hey, that’s my opinion. 🙂

  7. Jim Says:

    Pete Prisco & Shaun King. LOL

  8. FLBoyInDallas Says:


    Joe’s definitely a worrier and it shows in many of his posts, but he’s never once advocated having anyone but Freeman play in 2013. If you’re going to speak on behalf of someone else it would be nice if you were accurate.

  9. bucfanjeff Says:

    Freemans record is not below .500 – the team record with Freeman starting at the QB position is below .500. There IS a BIG difference.

    It takes a TEAM to win and lose games. 11 starters on defense, 11 starters on offense that play the major role. Every snap of the ball each player counts 9.09% towards that particular plays success whether it’s blocking, running, tackling, throwing, etc. It’s each players execution, effort, communication, chemistry with other players, and even a little luck – on each and every play – that determine our success.

    Your record is what it says you are – and the BUCS have some improving to do. Freeman or Goldson…and every other player is just a piece to the larger puzzle.

    Joe may not “hate” Freeman, but the tone and implications in your articles suggest otherwise.

  10. flmike Says:

    Let me pose a question.
    We all agree that Joe Montana was an all time great, how many games do you think he would have won if SF didn’t have one of the best secondaries ever?what made those SF teams so good was not only their ability to put up a lot of points, but their ability to stop the other guy, which is something the Bucs just haven’t been able to do, is that Freeman’s fault, hell no, for the most part he has done his job, you can put up all the points you want, but if your defense can’t stop the other guy, your screwed. The signing of Goldson and the trade for Revis and the drafting of Banks should give the Bucs the ability to stop the other guy, last season we gave away minimum 3 games, just gave them away because we couldn’t hold a lead.

  11. BigSombrero Says:

    Prisco is pretty terrible. We see that time and time again. He points to Freemans yards and then acts like its ridiculous that everyone around the nfl thinks his job is on the line. Guess Prisco doesn’t do much actual watching of games.

  12. mavsmoney Says:

    If gholdson is the most overrated player on the team then we are in good shape. Honestly I think our dline is entire secondary is overrated. It takes more than talent to perform

  13. jb Says:

    Why on earth would you post anything that Prisco writes. The man is one of the absolute worse in the business.

  14. mark Says:

    I wish we had stats for sports writers, and network personnel that make these statements. At the end SB, publish what they got right and wrong. If NFL players are graded and paid by past performance, shouldn’t we hold they media to the same standards? Overrated/underrated.
    Opinions are like ________everyone has one.
    Time will tell. So let’s let the teams play then discuss the outcome.
    Too many things can happen to effect teams, ie injuries, suspensions etc.

  15. PRBucFan Says:


    … Just because on OCCASION Free Free does his job and on OCCASION he actually utilizes his weapons correctly..

    Please give me a break, what a joke. Underrated my ass.

  16. BamBamBuc Says:

    PR – Yep, Free does his job “on occasion”. Actually, it was 2/3+ of last year, all of 2010, etc. The defense, on the other hand, only did 1/2 of it’s job (stop the run) and the other half (pass defense) it did 0% of the time. If the pass defense had done it’s job even 1/2 of the time, we should have won more games last year. I’d rather have a guy that performs 66%+ of the time than an entire defense that only performs 1/2 it’s job. That’s 11 guys only doing 1/2, as compared to one guy that has a few bad games. Why is this so hard to figure out. Simple math. Josh had 2 really bad games out of 16. That’s 1 in 8 or 12.5% bad. If you even add in a couple more games, he’s still 67% good. The defense is half good…. 50%. That’s less than 67%. Is it because it’s easier to blame one guy than 11? Maybe because it’s “easier” to replace one guy than 11? (although, I seriously question how “easy” it is to replace a pretty decent QB)

  17. stevek Says:

    Freeman is not underrated.

    “Underrated: QB Josh Freeman. The guy sets franchise records for yards and touchdown passes and some want to get rid of him? Please.”

    Prisco misinformed. ANDY DALTON had the same year as Freeman last year, look it up.

    “Best season by a Buc QB” is “OVERRATED”, and it should be called, “Andy Dalton’s 2012 stats”… Yeah, rediculous.

  18. stevek Says:


    Joe has said numerous times that “if the Bucs plan on making a playoff run, it will be with Freeman at the helm”.

    Freeman is not underrrated, if anything he is OVERRATED. His “Franchise Best” season was no better than Andy Dalton’s 2012 season, give it a break.

  19. Tye Says:

    Underrated: QB Josh Freeman. ~ To be brutally honest, I find that comical and extremely nieve.

    55+ games and he is still mid-grade at best of all NFL Qb starters… We know what type Qb JF is after 4 seasons… In my honest opinion it is the talent around him that has kept him around this long…. He has had talent placed all around him and still his inadequacy remain very apparent… No offense to all the “Josh” fans but I am a Bucs fan and I am only interested in what is best for The Bucs and they need a serious upgrade at QB if they ever want to become a well respected, winning team!

  20. Blob Says:

    Don’t know what you guys are complaining about Dalton is a good quarterback and Josh’s numbers are actually better

  21. PRBucFan Says:


    2010 is gone and over.

    Has been.. For a little while now.

    Consistency this year and he’s in.
    Inconsistency and he’s out.
    It’s a dog eat dog world..

  22. PRBucFan Says:

    And I’m not discussing the flipping defense right now so please PLEASE shut the hell up with that old tune.


  23. chris Says:

    Yeah. Josh is too streaky,. If he could put it together with some consistency, man, just think where the Bucs could go this year.

  24. thomas Says:

    Guess Josh needs to get his pass rush skills better and also tackle a lot better . I thought this was a team game not just what the wrong with one player. But Trent Dilfer was/ is a Hall Of Fame QB. with a Super Bowl ring

  25. PRBucFan Says:

    It’s just like any other job

    You are graded on your performance at your position.

    Not only that but also based on the responsibility that lies with the particular position you hold. That’s the way the cookie crumbles.

    Thomas your a tool. Nuff said. Bait some more. Noone’s denying anything defensively so you can continue to beat the drum where only you can hear it. 😉

  26. Raphael Says:

    Newsflash….Freeman doesn’t play Defense.Last i checked Freemans offense was rated 9 th in the league …

    And our vaunted defense that nobody wants to talk about was rated 29 th.

    Media hype is funny.

  27. stevek Says:


    Don’t start the blame game. Freeman KILLED our playoff chances last year.

    Freeman threw for 8 INTs in two games… Yeah that is on the defense.

    The defense really benifited from all of the 3 and outs.

    For as much good as Josh has done, he has not been consistently good enough to be a playoff QB.

    Freeman has 2013 to PROVE IT, so please stop with your blaming of the defense. We have Revis now, which means ZERO EXCUSES.

  28. stevek Says:

    Tannehill and Freeman match up this year on MNF @ home. We better win this game.

    Freeman better outplay 2nd year QB Tannehill.

  29. Couch Fan Says:

    Lol well this should be interesting.

  30. Couch Fan Says:

    Yep, Free does his job “on occasion”. Actually, it was 2/3+ of last year, all of 2010, etc. The defense, on the other hand, only did 1/2 of it’s job (stop the run) and the other half (pass defense) it did 0% of the time.

    Josh couldnt of been good for 2/3rds of the season if he consistently disappears the first half of games… thats mathematically impossible…. just sayin

  31. Bobby Says:

    Yes, this is a TEAM sport. Freeman is not responsible for the Bucs record…the TEAM is and a large part of that falls on the pass defense last year and the run defense the year before. I’m not saying Freeman doesn’t have problems with consistency, he does. The pass defense had NO problems with consistency…they were consistently terrible. I don’t see how anyone can claim knowledge of a sport and not see that the QB is not responsible for the teams record. If that were the case then New England or Green Bay would always win the Super Bowl. There has to be a balance between offense and defense. We actually had a good offense last year, it was the psss defense which was in the cellar and it was the pass defense which cost us 4 games. I want someone to present a coherent argument that the defense didn’t cost us the Philly game, the Redskins game, the Giants game, and the first Atlanta game. Someone show me how Freeman was the one who is responsible for those losses. Now…add those four games into the win column where they should have been and our record is…that’s right, 11-5. Yes, Freeman is underrated by a lot of the posters on here.

  32. Couch Fan Says:

    Or Freeman is over rated by a lot of posters on here. Just depends on who is doing the judging.

  33. PRBucFan Says:

    We don’t make the rules..

    As the general of the team the QB will always take the load of blame and or the praise.

    Freeman isn’t and won’t be the exception to that rule.

    “It’s all about number 5” seems to be only applicable when it’s beneficial for #5 to some of you lol. If he can’t handle the heat then he should get the hell out of the kitchen. The higher the position, the greater the responsibility.

  34. Architek Says:

    This is stupid how can a perrennial pro bowler be overrated but a under achieving turnover prone coddled qb be underrated because he set records?

    Does it matter that the franchise really never had an explosive playmaker at qb outside of Doug Williams?

    Prisco is way off base here

  35. BamBamBuc Says:

    Couch, don’t make me go back and pull the stats again. Freeman’s best quarters of football last year were the 1st quarter (got the lead) and 4th quarter (got the lead when it counted). That is statistically his best two quarters. If you look at the scores, it also shows we had the lead in the first half more often than not and we had the lead far too often in the 4th quarter and the D let us down. If you insist though, I will go back a couple weeks and pull the post with the quarter by quarter breakdown of Freeman’s statistics to prove it.

    People want to talk about his inconsistency, but he consistently put us in a position to win games in pretty much every game but two last year. We had a lead, were tied, or within one score in pretty much every game but two in the 4th quarter. That’s 14 of 16 games, 87% of the time we were in the game. Think back to 2011 when everything about the team stunk and we were NOT in games past the 1st quarter, we were down 3 TDs by the half. Last year was not only incredibly consistent (other than two games, but 87% of the time is pretty consistent), but also a HUGE improvement over the previous year offensively. Not all of that goes to Freeman, Martin and Jackson get a lot of credit there too. Sullivan probably gets a decent chunk of credit as well.

    Many “fans” love to point out the drop in points in the last “quarter” of the year to 17 ppg, but if you really look at the last “quarter”, you’ll see we scored 21 or more in two of the four games, so it was really the two (bad) games that brought that total down. Other than that, the first three fourths of the season and two of the last 4 games were all 21 points or more… that’s 14 of 16 games at 21 points or more. The league average last year was 22.8 ppg allowed. We had 4 games last year scoring under 20, plus 3 more scoring 20-22 points. Of the 7 games under the league average, we won 2 of those. If the defense had only been average last year, we should have won 9 games (scored over 22.8) plus 2 (scored less, but D held) which is 11 games. But the NFL is not a game of averages. You have to win games.

    Do you realize that the team had the LEAD in 8 of our 9 losses. Only one of the two (bad) games near the end of the year did we never hold the lead at any point. Think about that… 8 of 9 losses we had the lead at some point… the other 7 games we won, so had the lead at the end of those games as well…. that means 15 of 16 games last year we held the lead at some point of the game. 15 of 16.

  36. stevek Says:


    Good stuff, what about 3 and outs.

    Our offense seems to have a good bit of 3 and outs in bunches. The Denver game, we stopped Manning after half time, and proceeded to go 3 and out a few times over.

    Adversely, one could argue the Defense was put on a spot, and performed worse, because of the abundant 3 and outs.

    Drive sustainability is one factor that doesn’t get enough publicity. If we can keep the other team’s offenses of the field, by our QB leading the way, then we have a chance to not give up as many points.

    All I can say is that it was painful to see Josh do so well in Minnesota, and than he dropped off the face of the earth after that. It is a team game, sure, but Freeman has been too STREAKY.

  37. Couch Fan Says:

    Bam Bam please go back and show us all what the scores were at halftime last season. Go head. You will see that a majority of the season we were trailing at half time… why you might ask? because Freeman is the 3 and out king!

    Now go head and look at the rest of the stats all you want. I watched the games. I seen how badly he plays the first half. I was here on this site every sunday commenting in the threads during the season and I remember how everyone was trashing Freeman just like I was.

    Stats sheets doesn’t account for V-Jax having to constantly make circus catches, or Mike Will. Stats sheets doesnt show you how awful Freeman’s accuracy really is at times. But hey those 4000 yards are awfully pretty next to a 7-9 record.

  38. stevek Says:


    The “Buc’s Franchise best season by a QB” is darn near equivalent to Andy Dalton’s 2012 season.

    3 and outs have been a major cuplprit in exposing our weak defense. Freeman needs to sustain drives better, period, or look to see Glennon get a shot. This is a playoff caliber team.

  39. BamBamBuc Says:

    stevek – I actually look at more than just 3 and outs, look at the game log and you’ll see many are not Freeman’s fault. Plenty were 3 running plays and a punt (could be on Sully for the play-call or Martin and the O-line for lack of execution), but how many 3 and outs were not on Freeman? How many times did Freeman throw on just one of those 3 plays, had only one chance to get the first down? What was the down and distance in that situation?

    Couch – Good one, let’s do that.

    Bucs 13- Carolina 0 at the half. Win
    Bucs 24- Giants 13 at the half. Loss
    Bucs 10- Cowboys 13. Loss (of course, we had an early 7-0 lead) Also, our run game was poor (on Freeman?) only avg 2.5 ypc
    Bucs 6 – Skins 21. Loss. Down at half again, but leading in the 4th 22-21
    Bucs 7 – KC 3. Win
    Bucs 21 – NO 28. Loss, but we led by 2 TDs in the first half. Hmmmm.
    Bucs 20 – Vikes 10. Win
    Bucs 7 – Oakland 10. Won anyway.
    Bucs 17- SD 21. Won anyway.
    Bucs 10 – Carolina 14 Won in OT
    Bucs 10 – Atlanta 10. Loss
    Bucs 10 – Denver 7. Loss
    Bucs 0 – Philly 10. Loss (even with the lead of 11 in the 4th)
    Bucs 0 – NO 24. Loss
    Bucs 6 – St Louis 14. Loss
    Bucs 13 – Atlanta 3. Win

    So, if they only played 30 minutes of football we would have been 6-9-1. They play 60 minutes and we were 7-9. We overcame halftime deficits in 5 of the 9 games we were down and still lost 2 of those. And we lost 2 of the 6 we had the lead at the half. Yep, we lost 33% of the games we had the lead early. You really don’t want me to show how many games we had the lead in the 4th quarter and lost. Giants, Skins, Falcons, Eagles. The lead in the 4th of those games was 11, 1, 6, 11. Two score leads in two games we lost, a TD lead in another. Only one game was lost because the opponent was in FG range of winning. Again, think about it.

  40. PRBucFan Says:

    We watch the games lol

    You say the defense let us down, I say the offense should have never put the defense in a position to lose the game.

    Instead of closing the game out, getting that extra down, they were unable to..
    They gave it back to the other teams offense.

    You see our pass defense was HORRID, I did not EXPECT them to save the day once put into that position by the offense…

    This year hopefully it’s a different story 🙂 *Knocks on wood

  41. BamBamBuc Says:

    stevek – Let me give an example of how “3 and outs” are a misleading statistic and definitively can’t be looked at solely against the QB. You mentioned “after the Vikings game”, so I looked specifically after that game and went to a loss against the Falcons (a team we certainly want to keep their offense off the field). Here we are, in the 2nd quarter, just gave up a go ahead TD to the Falcons and really need to drive the field and score. Here’s what happened:

    1st “play” is off-setting penalties – no play
    2nd 1st play is a DB blitz – Freeman sacked for -7 yards
    2nd and 17 – Freeman completes a pass to Martin that goes for 42 yards, we’re moving now…. oh, wait… Holding on Dotson declined, Illegal use of hands Meredith accepted. So much for a great play.
    2nd and 23 – Freeman to Stocker, 5 yards
    3rd and 18 – Freeman sacked by Bierman.

    As you can see, the “3 and out” was more than 3 plays, but 2 were penalties (no play), 1 negated a 42 yard gain that put us in Atlanta territory, primed to tie or take the lead. Two plays were sacks, at least one was a blitz, through all of this WRs still have to get open for the appropriate # of yards before the QB gets sacked. It’s not so simple as “3 and out”, as frustrating as that is.

  42. PRBucFan Says:

    Yea we get it
    EVERY 3 and out has nothing to do with the QB..

    I get it now, thanks…

  43. BamBamBuc Says:

    PR: You did see that the offense had an 11 point lead in the 4th quarter in 2 of 4 losses with the lead in the 4th, right? That’s a 2 score lead in the 4th quarter. I don’t know if I can find any statistics on how many teams lost games with more than an 8 point lead in the 4th quarter, but I’m betting that # is pretty low. Typically, if you have a 2 score lead in the 4th quarter you win the game. That was not true with the Bucs last year. Of course, a 2 game turnaround wouldn’t have gotten us into the playoffs. 9-7 wasn’t enough, and the Giants and Eagles weren’t playoff teams we could have overtaken with those two wins. We needed the Falcons game too. That would have gotten us to 10-6. Falcons would still win the division at 12-4, but we would have tied the Vikings and Bears, and would beat the Vikings in head to head games. That’s how imortant those 3 or 4 games were, despite the 2 (bad) games against the Saints and Rams.

    Not hard to see right there, Josh Freeman did what it took in enough games to make the playoffs (taking into account the leads in the Giants, Skins, Falcons, and Eagles games). The defense let us down in all 4 of those, 2 in which we had 2 score leads. Win 3 of 4 and we were in the playoffs and most of you wouldn’t be complaining at all about 2 games that couldn’t have gotten us into the playoffs anyway.

  44. BamBamBuc Says:

    PR: Never said “every” 3 and out. Just that it’s a horrible stat to look at to judge the QB. Many of them were 3 runs and a punt. I can get specifics if you really want. Sully calls the plays, and if he calls 3 runs and we have to punt, I’m not putting that on Freeman.

  45. PRBucFan Says:

    It’s easy to pull out all the instances that favor your point of view.

    No one is saying 100% of the time Josh flops.

    Yes in those “2” games they managed to get a 2 score lead for the D.
    Great for them, the D let them down for sure. I’m not denying that lol.

    Yes in that “instance” the 3 and out was not on Josh.

    It changes nothing, stats are so easy to manipulate in one’s favor. It’s pointless.

    and AGAIN i watch the games, I have seen the “instances” where he’s done great things and I have also seen those “instances” in which Free made decisions that directly cost us games. But I digress, I’ve done well not allowing myself to get sucked into these debates as of late jajaja.

    Hopefully this is the season he sheds the Jekyll/Hyde act and this debate never has to be had again 🙂

  46. Architek Says:

    I just hate talking about this. It’s almost at Ruud level of discussion volume and it didn’t make him better or worse.

    I have tempered my expectations due to Freeman and I look forward to the future with Glennon. I just like his pedigree but he has a long way to go but the sky is the limit.

  47. BamBamBuc Says:

    Another one for the “3 and out” crowd… The Philly game is a real point of contention. 8 drives, 8 punts to open the game. That’s frustrating for all of us. But some real key things here are:

    The first “3 and out” was a muffed hand-off and 2 more runs for a -10 yards, not one pass.

    The next two drives were more than 3 plays, both had a first down, one was a 19 yard completion from Freeman on 3rd and 10 (or it would have been another 3 and out) and the next was a completion to Martin and a Martin run for a first down.

    The second “3 and out” (4th drive) was 3 runs for 8 yards including a run by Martin for -1 on 3rd and 1.

    The 5th drive started with a holding penalty setting us up with 1st and 20, a failed screen play to Martin setting us up with 2nd and 26. Yeah, bugs me too when we can’t find a QB that converts 2nd or 3rd and 26 at least 75% of the time….

    Starting to get the idea? Or should I continue? 6th drive, Freeman hits Clark for 19 yards to convert a 1st down, before we stall out again. 7th drive, Freeman to Jackson for 25 and a first before a couple sacks kill the drive. 8th drive Freeman converts two first downs (Underwood 17 yards, Williams 13 yards) before the punt.

    Starting to see how this whole “team” thing comes into play? Sacks, penalties… the O-line plays a part in converting 1st downs and keeping drives alive. 3 runs and out? Yep, coach Sully has something to do with it too. Did Free miss some passes? Yeah, he did, he’s definitely a part of the team and has some responsibility, but he also did his job more than he was credited with also.

  48. BamBamBuc Says:

    Well, there ya go PR… no bias, 8 drives in a row in one game…. and there are “instances” all over the team that directly “cost us a game” which is why I can’t put anything on Freeman. Penalties, sacks, poor play calls, and a horrid pass D, but bring on Josh to magically pull a W out of his arse each and every week. Sorry, i can’t buy into that. He needed help on defense, he got it. Should be a good year.

  49. PRBucFan Says:

    Unfortunately for Josh he bears the weight/responsibility that comes being an NFL QB.

    Which is why everything ultimately comes back to him, the QB :/

    Not always “fair”, but hey it’s just how it works.

  50. Couch Fan Says:

    I really hope all this coddling turns him into a better QB.

  51. BamBamBuc Says:

    Which is why I choose not to put it back on him. I’d rather watch the games, do the statistical research, watch the games again, and come up with my own opinion rather than just say “he’s the QB, everything ultimately comes back to him”

  52. PRBucFan Says:

    That’s not what “I’m” saying lol.

    That’s how it is BB 😉

    There’s a reason he’s in a scorching seat this season,

    Because that’s what “they” say, “they” being the NFL.

  53. PRBucFan Says:

    Not to mention because his criticism is obviously warranted or else your boy Free Free would be sporting a brand new contract by now and our beloved Bucs wouldn’t have spent a 3rd round pick on another QB.

  54. BamBamBuc Says:

    Not worried at all about our precious 3rd round pick, I never expect him to see a down on the field in a regular season game unless it’s mop up duty or we trade him to another team down the road. Biggest threat to Freeman’s starting gig is a first round pick next year, and that’s only if he doesn’t play well. I’m cool with that.

  55. PRBucFan Says:

    Whelp, I’m glad you aren’t 🙂 but that really doesn’t change anything lol and instead of going on another rabbit trail with you about Glennon’s (which is not why his name was brought up but only to state the obvious which is that his mere presence here alone signifies JF’s “inconsistencies” ) legitimacy I’ll leave it at that and leave this thread be lol.

    I’m positive Free’s feeling his presence though. Hopefully he can deal.
    Thanks for the spirited chat 🙂

  56. Vic66 Says:

    I’d just like to know what name Josh uses and which one his father writes under. So will say there are a couple that looks pretty suspicious.

  57. Stevek Says:


    Who knows?

    Let’s just hope Freeman’s 2010 light bulb burns brightly this season, consistently. Freeman has the physical potential to dominate the league.

    We can’t afford to have the “Bad” Josh show up at all.

  58. Eric Says:

    Can’t let little things like losing records interfere with the offseason euphoria.

    On to the training camp championship!

  59. WestCoastBucsFan Says:


    Seems like no one here has any manners. You obviously did a ton of film study to come those conclusions. Major kudos for putting in the work to find out what’s really going on. It really drives me nuts when people make broad assumptions purely based on the win/loss record. As if there are no other factors to take into consideration.

    Keep giving these guy the business BamBamBuc, it’s obvious you know what you’re talking about and put in the work to back up your claims.

  60. scubog Says:

    Joe Joe Joe. Why do you keep mentioning Josh Freeman when just the mere mention of our young QB causes these guys to go on endless rants trying to prove their points when neither side will ever change their preconceived notions? I now just scroll past.

  61. PRBucFan Says:

    I never knew stats were that hard to regurgitate.

    My bad 😉

  62. PRBucFan Says:

    And by all means, do just that… “scroll past”

  63. PRBucFan Says:

    And most of us aren’t basing our dissatisfaction on JF “purely” on W/L…

    The kid has ALOT to prove this season.

    That is common knowledge, heck you can go read all kinds of articles that point out much more than just his W/L.

    But any who, I promise to leave this thread now haha.

    – Has anyone seen *SilenceTheCritics at all??? He kinda disappeared after early offseason. He was my partner in crime when it came to the JF Debates lol.

  64. Tiny Tim Says:

    Thats because it takes offense, defense and special teams to win a game JOE!! All 53 men. When I see Josh Freeman take the field by himself, then the W/L record against good teams or any team for that matter will mean what you are terribly trying to make it mean. Until then, please stop with all the record talk. This team has been horrible in many areas for four years. I have never looked at this team and said Josh is the problem or holding this team back. I can say in 4 years, this D has never sniffed top 20. And that is with the 10-6 season.