“If He Starts Off Poorly …”

May 17th, 2013

Joe is amused by the frenzy surrounding the infancy of the Bucs’ quarterback competition/controversy. Rookie Mike Glennon is a third-round pick in a quarterback-hungry league who has yet to perform in a real practice.

Plenty of observers, however, think he could be on the field quickly.

Twice during his ESPN.com live chat today, NFC South blogger Pat Yasinskas wrote that Bucs fans should expect to see Glennon if Josh Freeman gets off to a rough start in 2013.

Joe knows all this blubbering about Freeman comes down to what kind of standards/expectations Greg Schiano has set for Freeman.

If Schiano expects consistency and greatness from Freeman, then history says there’s a solid shot he’ll be let down. Perhaps all Schiano wants is no mistakes as he pounds Doug Martin and moves the chains, playing the kind of football he talked about craving this time last year.

As for Glennon, Joe really hopes not to see him outside of preseason. That likely would mean the Bucs are in trouble, though again it comes back to Schiano’s expectations for Freeman.

Joe could envision a scenario where even if the Bucs are winning, Schiano gives Glennon a start to replace a struggling Freeman, assuming Schiano liked what he saw from Glennon’s big preseason workload. He can always go back to Freeman if it doesn’t work out. Schiano had no problem shuffling QBs at Rutgers, so there’s no reason to think he wouldn’t consider it at the NFL level.

79 Responses to ““If He Starts Off Poorly …””

  1. PRBucFan Says:

    Schiano had no problem shuffling QBs at Rutgers, so there’s no reason to think he wouldn’t consider it at the NFL level.

    ^^^BINGO, hopefully he has no reason to shuffle this season though.

    Jfro it is now or never.

    You can do it nicki!!! Lol

  2. teacherman777 Says:

    I have no idea what the Bucs see in Glennon. He was horrible at the senior bowl. I saw his little weakass chin under his helmet, his horrible throws, his skinny arms, his slow feet, and I thought? Man. This guy sucks.

    Then we drafted him in the third? What!? We missed on so many decent players in the third round.

    I bet you he stinks it up in the preseason. Just watch. He will suck. I guarantee it.

    We should have signed Jason Campbell. Now HE, is a baller.

    Glennon was a waste of a pick. But I hope I am wrong.

  3. Brad Says:

    Ridiculous !! Joe extremely disappointed that you continue to stir the pot.

  4. Andrew 1 Says:

    “If He Starts Off Poorly …”

    there are a TON of what ifs that we can go on for days talking about it. as of right now they are all meaningless.

  5. Andrew 1 Says:

    its a good thing that those “observers” that you mentioned are not calling the shots.

  6. Bucnjim Says:

    Well if you are looking for someone who has to score 30 points a game because the D can’t stop anybody; they’re not on the roster. Brady, Rodgers, and Brees are the only QB’s that can carry an entire team. Peyton Manning can’t even do it anymore. How about we at least slow some teams down and hold them to 24 instead of 30 and see how the offense does.

  7. Travis Says:

    The only thing that doomed Freeman last year was that the defense couldn’t keep points off the board from the opponents passing game. So we had to call a game that required him to take more chances and pass a lot more just to keep up. If the D can stop people, then Sullivan can call a game plan that fits Free’s strengths and he will succeed. I have no doubts in Freeman.

  8. Nick2 Says:

    This is really pretty simple. Schiano hates turnovers and will do anything to avoid them. Anytime you see one of our ballcarriers running with the ball tucked under their chin you are reminded of that because its great but I don’t see other teams doing that often. That leads us to Josh who was a turnover machine in a playoff run where we had every chance to make the playoffs. So for that 4 game stretch I am sure Schiano said right there as I did “give me a fallback plan please!!” He has one now and I am glad as well. I don’t want to see Glennon this year either because I agree we probably will have spit the bit. I just cant watch Free throw another season away like he did last year.

  9. Pete 422 Says:

    Freeman will rise to the occasion & have a solid to great season. Too talented, too competitive & too smart.

  10. bOLTSFAN Says:

    Total Bs overall this guy has not thrown one pass in anykind of realisitic
    game in the NFL..
    That being said I hope he does well and push’s Freeman could be good for both of them….

  11. Bobby Says:

    I hope Freeman does great but I’m glad they got Glennon as insurance. This kid will make Freeman compete.

    @Teacherman777…you watched 1 game….really???? With receivers he never worked with before and that’s your basis for judgment? Wow! Quite the talent scout aren’t you….

  12. Steve From Oregon Says:

    Teacherman….please dont make guarantees….its just an ignorant statement to make….now that I got that out of the way.

    This is one of those time where Im going to trust the coach and what he believes is best for the team. Pulling from Seattles experience, they signed Flynn to a hefty contract and drafted Wilson as a project to develop and he simply outplayed Flynn to win the job.

    Do I want Glennon to be the starting QB….if the coaches think he is better then Freeman….yes….If not, no.

    Lets support the guys who get paid a lot to make the decisions…..Schiano knows he has a loaded offense and he wants to win now, it Glennon ends up starting it because he thinks he gives the team the best chance to win.

  13. Andrew 1 Says:

    Ok for everyone who thinks Freeman lost all of those 4 games during our playoff run late in the season are completely wrong. I went back reviewed those games on nfl.com to prove it.

    at this point then bucs are 6-4 and are in prime position to make the playoffs. then in the next 4 games the outcomes were as follows

    Nov 25- ATL 24 @ TB 23= our defense let the falcons score a field goal with 13 seconds left to win the game. NOT Freemans fault.

    Dec 02- TB 23 @ DEN 31= the entire bucs team was outmatched by Denver and the defense was absolutely lit up by Payton Manning. we had no real shot at winning this game.

    Dec 09- PHI 23 @ TB 21= I think everyone remembers this game. our defense let the eagles score a touchdown with 2 seconds left to win the game. NOT Freemans fault.

    Dec 16- TB 0 @ NO 41= the entire team is to blame for this one. the offense and defense played like crap.

    summary- before this 4 game losing streak the bucs were in position to make the playoffs. if the bucs could have won 2 of those 4 games that were lost because of our defense and NOT because of Josh Freeman, then we might have made the playoffs because we would have ended the season 9-7 when you count our victory over the falcons in the last game of the season.

    our crappy defense was the direct result of us not making the playoffs, its was not because of Josh Freeman!

  14. Keith Says:

    @Brad – It’s the Bucs who stirred the pot, not Joe, by drafting this kid and not declaring him a backup

  15. Andrew 1 Says:

    Just thought I would remind you all of what really happened.

  16. Joe Says:

    @Andrew1 — Please. Freeman didn’t have great games in any of those outings. Your revisionist history is astounding. “No real shot” to win in Denver. Really?

  17. tonytwocents Says:

    teacherman777……is that you Dan??? Dan Orlovsky???

  18. Andrew 1 Says:

    @ Joe

    you missed the point, even with the loss in Denver we still could have made the playoffs. we only needed to win 2 out of those 4 games, not all 4. I just pointed out that we could have won at least 2 of those games if it was not for our crappy defense.

    I will say it again, we didnt not miss the playoffs because of Josh Freeman. that is a fact.

  19. Andrew 1 Says:

    @ Joe

    and no Freeman didnt have great games in any of those games, but if you look at the entire season as a whole he did play well enough to get us into the playoffs.

    your comments are very telling, I now know what side of the Freeman argument your on. we can put you with the rest of the Freeman naysayers.

  20. snook Says:

    Freeman is done. One last piece of Raheem trash we need to purge.

  21. snook Says:

    You guys just dont see it. Schiano has slowly gotten rid of all of Raheems garbage players: winslow, talib, blount, biggers, etc. and replaced them with his guys. Freeman is next. Thank God. He’ll be backup to RGIII in Washington in 2014.

  22. Joe Says:

    @Andrew 1 — Jimminy Christmas. Joe’s not a Freeman naysayer. Joe advocated on these pages for the Bucs to attempt to re-sign him. And, Joe wouldn’t have drafted a QB in the third round. Freeman has loads of talent but is inconsistent. There’s no shame in that, but if he can’t get consistent, then the Bucs won’t win a Super Bowl with him and it’s in their best interest to move on. It’s really that simple, for Freeman or any fifth-year starter.

  23. 941-Bucs Says:

    Glennon has the exact same faults as Freeman, but with less raw athleticism.

    Freeman is head and shoulders a better QB than Glennon is at this moment. I can’t understand the fascination with wanting him to start over Freeman. We needed a equal/better QB preferably a vet who could actually come in and win games for us.

    I am sorry but Glennon is not an improvement over Freeman, even on his bad days!

  24. Andrew 1 Says:

    @ Joe

    if you say so.

  25. WestCoastBucsFan Says:

    Good to see you put a little research in behind your comments Andrew 1. (Seems to be rare these days). Your only problem was alleviating Freeman from all blame. Any one of those games could have been won just as easily if Freeman stepped up. (Minus the Aints game.) It was a team effort and the team lost those games. Freeman is a part of the team and holds a large portion of responsibility for the offense so he gets more blame than other single players. Yes the defense was historically bad but those games (except Saints game) were close enough for Freeman to get the win, he just didn’t. At 24 he still was showing inconsistencies.

    I hope in a second year of the same system and getting another year older he can improve his consistency. I am sure we all do.

  26. knucknbuc Says:


    Alright we get it joe you don’t like josh freeman. Im not saying glennon is a bust but cmon your posting articles about how he wants to compete? Like what do you expect him to say? Everyone should want to compete. In the Nfl.com video they were blasting glennon. Sorry no chance this dude actually beats out josh freeman this year. Joe did you even see what your boy glennon put up against vandy last year go look at the tape. All I got to say is if schiano really doesn’t like jf that much and puts glennon in our season is already straight trash and there’s no playoffs. Hell I go on the record now and say if glennon is our starting qb this year in the 2014 draft we might be high enough for Manziel, Bridgewater or boyd.

  27. Couch Fan Says:

    @Andrew 1

    You are one of the biggest Free jock riders on this site. We lost to denver by 8 points but yet we didnt have a shot to win when Freeman stunk up the whole first half? You are either stupid or just a blind homer. Philly is the same thing, he stunk it up the first half and did just a bit better the 2nd half. To “guarantee” that wasnt Freemans fault is idiotic.

    You just give excuse after excuse after excuse for this garbage QB play. You can blame the defense all you want and you are right but to deny Free played horrible in those games and did have a hand in losing the game is imbecilic. Atleast try to be a bit partial.

  28. Couch Fan Says:


  29. TrueBlue Says:

    Let’s be fair. Freeman is going to start the season. He will make his own future by his play. He’s had a difficult time up til now with all the coaching issues, but that’s no longer the case. This year the real Josh Freeman steps up. Hero or zero, it’s now all on Freeman. He doesn’t have to be great, but he does have to be good. And that means fairly consistent. He has the tools, the experience, and the coaching. It’s his time to show what he’s got.

  30. Couch Fan Says:

    And I find it rather ridiculous that you say you went back and watched those games and still try to claim he played well as if its fact. If you think Free played well in those games you know nothing about football. And I hope you follow Free out the door if he stinks it up again.

  31. BuccaneerBonzai Says:

    Brad Says:
    May 17th, 2013 at 4:32 pm

    “Ridiculous !! Joe extremely disappointed that you continue to stir the pot.”

    Read it again. Joe is just reporting on comments made by ESPN.

    Andrew 1, Joe has proven himselves to be Freeman fans…but if the rest of the media is reporting stuff like this, is he to ignore what they say? This site would have few articles per week.

    Joes keep putting up multiple stories each day…I don’t see how they do it personally.

  32. BuccaneerBonzai Says:

    The above said…I predict that if Glennon comes in for injury (they won’t yank out freeman unless he has multiple interceptions in multiple games in a row), Glennon will get killed out there by opposing defenses.

    He’s be hit constantly. And although fans may want to blame the line…it won’t be their fault. And when this happens? Glennon will get rattled and throw a LOT of picks.

  33. BuccaneerBonzai Says:

    Joe, just thought I’d let you know the problem with the browsers seems to be fixed now. Page is coming up fine in Firefox again, after weeks of issues.

    I don’t know if you contacted anyone. If not, maybe someone else did because the ads are widely circulated. Just thought I would update you.

  34. BuccaneerBonzai Says:

    Bucs got another in the top 100. #67

    I ain’t saying who!

  35. Red86 Says:

    @ Andrew 1:

    Great post. I agree with you 100%. I also seen the same things, during the season. But I have to let you know. It’s pointless arguing fact about Freeman on here.

    What’s weird about this whole thing is that “many” of the basher have high standard for Freeman, but when it come to the Defense, that was at the bottom overall in many categories, the standard is different. This is the same team and city that “USED TO” pride itself on being a great defense. Yet in 2010 the D ranked 16th and the whole team was robbed of a playoff spot. From Washington have a 5th down to win the game to Winslow phantom calls. But in other years where the D is crappy, it’s all Freeman fault for trying to will the team to victory and making mistakes while doing it. Many say Free best year was ’10, but can’t see how the defense impact how good Free played.

    Some would even say they had the number one rush defense to justify a clearly horrible defense that can’t get off the field on third down that much (ranked 27th with a 40% for third down against all offense). And don’t force many turnovers at critical time.

    I agree there are about 20 to 1 articles since the end of the season that are either blaming or have a negative tone about Free versus how horrible the defense played through out the whole season. NOTE: Since the season ended. It’s very rare to see a positive one about him. Some article aren’t focus on him but there are cheap shots there. That’s why we, though Andrew said it, think that this site is anti Freeman as of now.

    People like you and I know Freeman has minor issues. But we see this whole season wasn’t entirely his fault. It seem some people want Freeman not to ever miss a pass or throw a pick. That’s very unrealistic expectation. 26 out of 32 qbs threw double digits ints this past year. 0 out of 32 had a comp % of 70- 100.

    Do I think he should and can get better? Absolutely. I believe in Freeman abilities to make many of the fan base that doubt him and assassinate his character, which I doubt many have actually met him, change their mind.

    But if Freeman isn’t here next year, I would hope he go to somewhere like Houston. Houston is almost a complete team. They would be scary with a better Qb than who they have. I see another Steve Young and Doug William situation happening if he’s not here.

    Again it’s pointless.

  36. Red86 Says:

    My view of a good game is a Qb throw for a minimum 200+ yrds and 2 or 3 tds with 1 pick or less with a 55 – 60% comp. That alone is a recipe for a QBR of at least a 100.

  37. OC Bucs Fan Says:

    Travis Says:
    May 17th, 2013 at 5:05 pm

    The only thing that doomed Freeman last year was that the defense couldn’t keep points off the board from the opponents passing game. So we had to call a game that required him to take more chances and pass a lot more just to keep up. If the D can stop people, then Sullivan can call a game plan that fits Free’s strengths and he will succeed. I have no doubts in Freeman.


    Nuff said!!!!

  38. stevek Says:


    Get real bro, that is a clown statement.

    Freeman completed less than 60% of his passes, and has bombed out the past two seasons after strong starts to each.

    Freeman jock riders need to wake up, and smell the coffee.

    Glennon is 2nd string… for now.

  39. Free's A Boob Says:

    Sitting the village idiot would be a dream come true!

  40. BigSombrero Says:

    The thing is, if Free plays consistently then he will be one of the best QB’s in the league period. He is not a game manager, if thats what Schiano wants then he will be disappointed. Free is only good when throwing downfield or dumping it off to a runningback. That in between stuff is his weakness and where his accuracy issues are. So this year we will either see a top tier QB or Free will be out of here. No in between with the guy. It’s pretty much all or nothing. I hope for the best but from what I have seen in the first 4 years, i’m not exactly optimistic.

  41. loung Says:

    freeman can!t win the big game for us ,,,,,,,

  42. Andrew 1 Says:

    all of you calling me a jock rider can shove that jock up your a$s. its always the same with you Freeman haters, your so blinded by your hate of Freeman that you dont even pay attention to the facts or reason. you want Freeman gone… ok, but be careful what you wish for.

  43. Couch Fan Says:

    @Jock Rider

    Your post is laughable. Nobody hates Freeman, but clearly you have a man crush on him. You are the one blinded thinking he is so great and had such a terrific year that you fail to even place any blame on him at all…. I’m just wondering are you that incompetent or does riding his jock make you feel more like a man?

    Freeman has glaring flaws in his game. You cant dispute that. You are an idiot if you even try to. Free did not cost us the season, we were 6-4 even with that lousy defense. But our season went to hell once Free began to stink it up. Wipe Free’s mayonnaise out of your eyes and you might be able to see that.

  44. Andrew 1 Says:

    do I think Freeman should have played better? fuk yea he should have!!! and he better if he plans to stick around. but let me ask you, since this is a team game, who played worse last season the defense or Josh Freeman? since some of you are so blinded by your Freeman hate, I guess Im ganna have to spell it out to you with some more facts-

    # 19 ranked QB in the entire league was Josh Freeman

    # 29 ranked TOTAL defense was yours truly the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

    all you Freeman haters just babble mindlessly, I give you the damn facts, FACTS! not opinion, not bias, FACTS! you haters should try it some time, it wont make you look like such turds.




  45. Andrew 1 Says:

    @ coach potato

    my post is awaiting moderation, but once it goes through it should clear things up.

  46. Andrew 1 Says:

    make that *couch potato

  47. Andrew 1 Says:

    since its taking forever to go through I will repost it without the links

    do I think Freeman should have played better? fuk yea he should have!!! and he better if he plans to stick around. but let me ask you, since this is a team game, who played worse last season the defense or Josh Freeman? since some of you are so blinded by your Freeman hate, I guess Im ganna have to spell it out to you with some more facts-

    # 19 ranked QB in the entire league was Josh Freeman

    # 29 ranked TOTAL defense was yours truly the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

    all you Freeman haters just babble mindlessly, I give you the damn facts, FACTS! not opinion, not bias, FACTS! you haters should try it some time, it wont make you look like such turds.


    wont go through

  48. Andrew 1 Says:

    especially you couch potato.

  49. Couch Fan Says:

    Lol you are giving us irrelevant facts. Your first post was about the denver, philly, and a few other games where you say Freeman’s crappy play was no fault of his own. Lets stay on topic here. We all know our defense was horrible. But even with that horrible defense when Free was actually doing pretty decent we went 6-4. Our season didnt go down the drain until FREEMAN started to play horrible. You said he played well enough to win despite not even showing up til the 4th quarter. LOL That is laughable. All I’m saying is that not all the blame can be pinned on the defense. A lot of the blame should and needs to be put on Freeman’s lousy play during that horrible losing streak.

  50. Couch Fan Says:

    And that isnt mindless babble, those are facts. I dont hate Freeman. I hope he proves me wrong next year because that would be in the best interest of the Bucs. But after 4 years of the same. I just dont see it happening.

  51. Andrew 1 Says:

    @ Couch Fan

    well I do see it happening. to get back to the point the defense is just as important as the offense and Freeman. I hold the defense just as accountable as Freeman, thats all Im saying and thats why the worse one out of the 2 is to blame. I didnt say Freeman played well enough to win, he played just good enough, all I said was that the defense played bad enough to loose. thats why those facts are relevant.

  52. Couch Fan Says:

    He didnt play good at all! That philly game he was awful. The saints game he was awful. The denver game he was awful the first half. You just said you hold the defense just as accountable as Freeman but your not holding Freeman accountable at all. LOL, where in those games do you think he played good enough? The defense played lousy but so did Freeman. All I remember is 3 and outs, repeatedly. The saints defense was WORSE than ours and he couldnt even put 1 point on the board. Maybe im an idiot but that is certainly not good enough to me… Philly had something like a 8 or 9 game losing streak and an awful defense and Freeman made them look like a bunch of all stars.

  53. Couch Fan Says:

    Pro bowlers my bad.

  54. Andrew 1 Says:

    is Freeman an elite QB who can cover our deficiencies and put this team on his back. no, and he probably never will be. but If we had a complete team like we should this upcoming season, then he wont have to. we would have gone places if our defense was on par with our offense, thats all Im saying.

  55. Andrew 1 Says:

    Im not taking your word as far as what side of the ball played worse because the facts show otherwise. Ill stick to the facts.

  56. Andrew 1 Says:

    I am holding him accountable, I just said if he doesnt play better then he is as good as gone, but that also goes for everyone on defense.

  57. Couch Fan Says:

    Im not trying to debate which side played worse. Its pretty obvious the defense played worse as they were horrible all season long. I’m simply saying that Free’s play at the end of the season had as much to do with the season collapse as the defense did. Yes with a better defense we would of made the playoffs most likely but at the same time, better QB play would of put us in the playoffs as well. Its a 2 sided coin.

    With a more balanced team we will see what happens. But I can tell you this. If he continues to take the first half of games off as he normally does…. we shouldnt expect different results.

  58. Andrew 1 Says:

    “Yes with a better defense we would of made the playoffs most likely”

    God I cant tell you how happy that makes me to hear you say that because thats all I was trying to say.

    you are right, we are looking at different sides of the same coin. I am just as disappointed as you are that Freeman fuked up. but I can tell you this, Glennon takes the first quarter off to, so if your looking at him as a replacement then you might be disappointed.

  59. Andrew 1 Says:

    but he does have something that Freeman doesnt have… the balls to stand in pocket and take a big hit WHILE making and accurate pass. only time will tell who is more worthy.

  60. BamBamBuc Says:

    Depends on what you want to deem a “bad game” by Freeman. If you’re going by INTs, he had 2 games with 4 INTs each near the end of the season. Those were definitely bad games and we can put blame to him for those losses. The Saints game was one of those games and I’d have to add that the rest of the team played just as poorly. The Rams game, on the Pick 6 he threw, Mike Williams fell down on the break. The ball was thrown where it was supposed to be, but the only guy there was the defender because Williams was on the ground. As for the other 3, well let’s just say Josh had a bad game.

    If you’re looking at other things, like completion percentage or yardage or anything else… I have to agree with Andrew. The Philly game, Josh Freeman did what needed to be done to win the game. We had the lead and the defense needed to hold. Not just hold, but prevent a TD. Anything but a TD and we win… and the defense failed. With no time on the clock to regain the lead, I don’t see how that can be put on Freeman.

    The Falcons game was a bit tougher (and against a tougher opponent, so that makes sense). We had to keep them out of FG range. We had the lead, we let them take it back. Freeman was not on the field to stop the Falcons, and with 13 seconds left, had no time to lead another score. Again, he did what he had to do, whether it was pretty or not, to win the game.

    Go back to the Giants game. Freeman did everything he should have had to do to win the game. We had the lead, a pretty decent lead until halfway through the 4th quarter. Only half a quarter to hold the opponent. The defense gave it away. Freeman even brought us back to tie the game with 2 minutes left (5 minutes after we let the lead go by giving up 2 TDs), but the D let us down again by letting Eli score for the win.

    There are 3 prime examples of games Josh Freeman did what needed to be done while the offense was on the field to win the game. When the offense left the field, we had the lead. How can he be blamed when he wasn’t even on the field???

    Oh yeah, he should have had a 3 TD lead at that point… sure, that happens all the time in the NFL. Seriously, Freeman is not the best QB in the NFL, but we could be a lot worse off. At least we don’t have Sanchez, Leinart, Kolb, Cassle, Fitzpatrick, Weeden, or Carson Palmer. Could be worse, MUCH worse. We may not have Brady, Brees or (either) Manning, but only 4 of 32 teams have one of those guys (and none of them were in the Super Bowl either….

  61. MadMax Says:

    Mark these words:
    We run but we throw big! Remaining calm while being smart (and accurate) will determine our QB….but he must also be durable. Thats my worry for Glennon.

    Intelligence, durability, accuracy and remaining calm under pressure will be the decision maker! Both have a chance here. Josh with his durability but sporadic accuracy…..and then a still not proven (in the NFL fold yet) Glennon with his intelligence and remaining calm under pressure.

  62. BamBamBuc Says:

    Continues to take the first half of games off??? You know they have situational statistical breakdowns nowadays.

    2012 Josh Freeman

    1st half: 56.1 comp%, 13 TDs, 8 INTs, 80.0 QB rating
    2nd half: 53.4 comp%, 13 TDs, 9 INTs, 81.2 rating

    If you really want to break it down, 1st quarter was his best in 2012

    1st Qtr: 62.1%, 8 TD, 4 INT, 91.9 rating

    Next best was the 4th quarter, gametime…

    4th Qtr: 54.8%, 6 TD, 3 INT, 82.9 rating.

    He also played his best football when we were tied or behind by 1 score (1-8 pts). Next best was when we were ahead by 1 score. So, when the game is close, Freeman plays well. His worst stats come when we’re either behind OR ahead by 2 scores.

    Funny thing is Freeman played better in the 1st quarter than Peyton Manning who completed a higher percentage, but had 6 TDs, 5 INTs and an 89.3 rating in the 1st quarter. So saying “If Freeman continues to take the first half of games off” is a little uninformed or ignorant. I could go through more statistics, but it’s wasted on people with faulty memories of a failed season and are unwilling to look any closer into it. Freeman was inconsistent last year because he was phenomenal in October, making the rest look horrible.

  63. Andrew 1 Says:

    @ BamBambuc

    I thank you. you have said better than I could. I believe in Josh, is that such a crime.

  64. Andrew 1 Says:

    if it is, lock me up.

  65. White Tiger Says:

    More of this crap.

    Why do you low information Buc fans let them do this to you?

    They build up a guy who got beat by the two WORST teams in the SEC…

    Every WEEK he’ll see speed faster than the SEC….

    When you fools see that if it isn’t Simms, or Luke McCown, it’s gotta be. Kid like Glennon.

    Give yourself a break – don’t let these media fools whip you into a frenzy – they’re the worst media group in the NFL. When you can’t afford a newspaper you get idiots like Yasinskas, Dr Stroud, or Fatso Kaufman.

    They even back the starting QB in Philly…you bunch of slobs. Ty doing your own research.

  66. BamBamBuc Says:

    Here’s a little homework for those of you that don’t understand…

    Everyone wants to talk about Freeman’s inconsistency and how it relates to our record. Ok, so look at most any QB career split stats. Look at the stats when the team wins and compare them to when the team loses. Doesn’t really matter what QB you look at… Brady, Brees, Rodgers, Manning, Freeman.

    Things you’ll find (if you actually look it up): Most every QB throws more TDs than INTs in games the team won. It’s usually reverse for losses. The completion % of almost any QB drops 6-7% in losses vs wins. The QB rating drops approximately 30 points in losses vs wins. This is pretty standard for every QB. Freeman’s numbers aren’t any different regarding the change between wins and losses. So, what it really says is that ALL QBs are inconsistent. When they play well, they win. When they don’t play as well, they lose. You may say Freeman plays poorly more often than he plays well, but that’s also not entirely true. He has bad games, just like anyone does, but his career numbers match the % change in wins vs losses of any other QB in the league.

  67. BuccaneerBonzai Says:

    BamBamBuc is always on top of things. Agree 100%.

    Another thing I’ve noticed amongst commenters here are they say a lot of negative things about certain players in the off season and then if those players do well it’s suddenly “I always knew he had it in him!”

    I’m stating for the record…I believe Josh will be an elite QB. He has proven he can get leads. When he and the entire offense are all on the same page with the playbook and when our defense can protect leads, that’s when the Buccaneers will be considered elite as a team. And that time is near.

    For those wanting Glennon…you must not care about the rest of the talent on this team. You wanted Dominick ro go out and spend money in Free Agency and now you want to switch to a rookie project quarterback who will set us back years?

    Glennon is not the type of QB who will come in and excel in his first 2-3 years. You would be looking at 4-5 years, and by that time Freeman would be on another team and considered the best QB of his class…and probably have a ring.

    You put Glennon in for any reason this year and you will see a QB overwelmed by the speed of the game. He will panic in the pocket. He will scramble and take sacks. He will attempt to get rid of the ball…and toss it into the arms of a defense.

    Even if we got lucky…extremely lucky…and he simply kept mistakes to a minimum and managed the game, it would not be good enough. Not with the high-scoring QBs the Bucs face consistently.

    I’m what some people would call a homer. I want what is best for the team. Seeing Glennon play in the regular season is NOT what is best for the team. What is best for the team is to remain with Freeman and seeing him turn that corner. And if he doesn’t? Then address it next off season. At worse, he bombs and we get a high pick. At best he becomes what I, Andrew and BamBamBuc, along with others, believe he can be.

    And any fan out there that is hoping for Josh Freeman to fall on his face is the worse kind of fan…thinking ONLY of thenself, not the good of the team.

  68. Dreambig Says:

    If Schiano starts shuffling QBs, then it should be Schiano in the cross hairs. Shuffing QBs doesnt work in the NFL, it destroys team chemistry and divides loyalties.

  69. Couch Fan Says:

    So saying “If Freeman continues to take the first half of games off” is a little uninformed or ignorant. I could go through more statistics, but it’s wasted on people with faulty memories of a failed season and are unwilling to look any closer into it.

    So that wasnt Freeman who Joe continually wrote about in 2010 and 2011 about getting off to extremely slow starts? Funny I remember reading the same exact thing every single week. I also remember him doing it a lot this year as well, though I’ll admit he was better at it this year but nowhere where he needs to be for us to be successful. Free is the 3 and out king. If you are gonna spew your garbage and call names at least know what your talking about. Stats are for losers just like Raheem said. Watch the games, see for yourself… dont look at paper box scores because that only tells you half the story. According to box scores we should of been 16-0 last year.

    Oh and btw, i dont want Glennon playing this year so I’m not sure where that is coming from. I realize Freeman is our best shot at the playoffs. But just as you choose to believe in him. I choose not to until he proves he can win. There are a ton of QBs that can win with a good defense(trent dilfer? Shaun King?). Only reason im so critical is because i know he has the skills to be elite… but up until this point its only been flashes. It’s the samething with the defense. We all knew going they were horrible so the expectations werent much so complaining about it is senseless. Free on the other hand had high expectations which he didnt play up to.

  70. BamBamBuc Says:

    It was the Buccaneers getting off to NO start at all in 2011, the whole team failed. Not a single player was successful in 2011. Not to start a game, not to end a game. So, yes, you would of course read all 2011 about Freeman’s slow starts. But you said “continues to”, not if he “reverts to”. You failed to see that he did improve last year, along with the rest of the offense.

    As for last year… here was the starts of the games.

    week 1: 13-0 Bucs at half.
    wk 2: Bucs score 3 of first 4 TD, jump to 24-13 halftime lead. Lose game
    wk 3: Bucs start fast, 7-0 lead, then fall apart. Lose game
    wk 4: Bucs score first 3-0, fall apart again. Lose game
    wk 6: Bucs destroy Chiefs, start fast, end fast
    wk 7: Jump to early 14-0 lead, but can’t keep Saints from scoring, Lose
    wk 8: Open 10-0, finish strong vs Vikes
    wk 9: First slow start vs Raiders. Got a 7-3 lead early, but real work was done late in the game.
    wk 10: We now see our D starting to get torched early and often. Chargers first two possessions are TDs. Bucs first possession is also a TD, but it’s getting more difficult as teams are jumping out to leads against our defense.
    wk 11: Panthers are horrible, jump out to 10-0 lead against them, but game ends in OT
    wk 12: Beginning of the end. No fast start, tied 10-10 at half, lose game in 4th quarter.

    After that was not exactly pretty. But I don’t remember the “slow” starts so much last year. The team actually came out pretty strong for the first 3/4 of the year.

    And I do watch the games. I have the SundayTicket Shortcut games all recorded from last year and go back and watch them. Yes, I read statistics AND watch the games.

  71. Bobby Says:

    Listen, anyone saying that Josh Freeman was to blame for our losses to Philly, the Giants, Atlanta, and Redskins must think that the losses the Rays are suffering is the fault of the hitting and not the pitching. When you give your team the lead in the closing minutes of the game it’s the job of the DEFENSE to close the friggin’ thing out! That’s 4 games the defense lost…NOT Freeman. We had the lead, the defense blew it. End of story. That’s like saying if the Rays lose 12-11 that we should have scored 13 runs and the pitcher for the Rays would have won. You go into the 8th inning with a 2 or 3 run lead your closer should do his job. It’s no different in football.

  72. Vic66 Says:

    Bobby I mean Andrew1, you are very persistant – i’ll give you that. Freeman needs to hire you as his agent. Oh yea that was his fathers job untill Bucs told him no extension of contract untill end of 2013 season. Sorry but Josh just needs to play this year as if his career depended on it. Oh ya, it does!

  73. Bobby Says:

    @Vic66…so you think those losses were Freeman’s fault??? I don’t mean to name call but that is just plain idiotic. I’ve backed my post up with reasoning by comparing the situation with the Rays but you don’t have any basis for blaming the losses on Freeman. Your QB gets the lead and all the defense has to do is stop the other team and you win and 4 times they let the other team march the length of the field and score. Yeah…..I’m persistent because I’m right. If you had half a brain you’d realize that.

  74. Vic66 Says:

    @Bobby the answer to your question is an emphatic hell yes! Check it out, we didn’t start to loose til Freeman got distracted with his MJ Photo Shoot. Freeman can not handle distraction. When he starts screwing up his game goes to hell. It’s just like a pitcher in a baseball game. The Rays win or loose by their pitching, not defense. In Football teams win or loose based on how effective their quarterback is. Please hear this loud and clear—– the defense can hold the opposing team to Zero Points but unless the offence lead by the Quarterback can not put points on the board, they can not win. The quarterback has to be the leader of the team….no leadership no winning season. No winning season this year, it’s “see you latter/never more to someone”.

  75. Vic66 Says:

    Oh yah Bobby or Andrew:: I didn’t have to call you names like a fifth grader to get my point across. Just hope you don’t do that to try to bully or intimidate because its not working.

  76. Bobby Says:

    You moron…..pitching IS defense. Now I understand what I’m dealing with….

  77. Bobby Says:

    I’ll try 1 more time….here is what you said:

    “In Football teams win or loose based on how effective their quarterback is. Please hear this loud and clear—– the defense can hold the opposing team to Zero Points but unless the offence lead by the Quarterback can not put points on the board, they can not win.”

    I totally agree. So Freeman put enough points on the board to give us the lead with only minutes left in the 4th quarter. The opposing team moved the ball the length of the field in four games with under two minutes to go in the 4th quarter. Is that, A: Freeman’s fault.. or B: The defense’s fault?
    Think it through…no need to to make a hasty decision. We had the lead, that means we had more points than they did on the scoreboard. It was the 4th quarter (which is the last quarter in the game…) Now, Freeman is not on defense…he’s not a pitcher. No… a pitcher is not offense. A QB is. OK….now make your choice.

  78. Vic66 Says:

    @bobby. All I will say is I hope Freeman doesn’t turn a corner to fast or you will have a broken nose. Or it may be a broken neck since your head is so far up Freeman’s Ass.

  79. Bobby Says:

    OK. I’ll take that as an admission that you were wrong. That’s fine. Sometimes it gets confusing as to which is offense and which is defense. See..the offense is the one scoring points and the defense is the one trying to keep the other team from scoring…like, oh let’s say…a pitcher in baseball.

    I’m not a huge Freeman fan. I think he has potential to be great but he has far from arrived. However, I do know the difference between offense and defense and that gave me an edge in this argument with you. Now that you understand I’m sure you’ll do better with your next post. See, this was a ‘teachable moment’.