Bucs At Saints, Open Thread

December 16th, 2012

OK boys and girls, time to watch the Bucs at the Saints. What will Greg Schiano do? Will he go all Doug Martin or try to go with inconsistent Josh Freeman? Will the “good Josh” or the “bad Josh” show up today?

How many yards will Drew Brees put up on the Bucs’ rancid pass defense, 500? How many touchdowns will Jimmy Graham rack up today?

Discuss this and the ups and downs of the game in this here thread.

This is still an important game for the Bucs. There is still a thin chance at a playoff spot, but not without a win in New Orleans.

If the Bucs lose, it’s time to start worrying about the draft.

375 Responses to “Bucs At Saints, Open Thread”

  1. RastaMon Says:

    Worst Pass defense vs worst Run defense…..
    Advantage Running game….Buccaneer Win !

  2. bucobruce Says:

    Bucs win by 10 today.If we had nfl caliber corners I think we would win by 23.TAMPAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

  3. Patrick Says:

    RGIII is inactive vs. the Browns today. Good news for us.

    And the Cowboys are playing the Steelers with Big Ben back.

  4. holymoly Says:

    Put the Hamdougster on the wheel and turn him loose . Pound the ball right down their throats . Let the aints know how the future is in Tampa.

  5. Ian's Gay Lisp & Ron's Drinking Problem Says:

    Why is Freeman warming up without his helmet???? Dude wants TV face-time…smh (you NEVER see Manning or Tom Brady do that crap!!!). Josh is in love with himself after losing weight!!!!!

  6. SilenceTheCritics Says:

    Ian are you drunk already?

  7. 907bucsfan Says:

    Freeman needs to take responsibility before he can improve

  8. BucNeckid Says:

    Who is announcing this game?
    Sounds like the “C” team

  9. canadianbuc Says:

    Why is Gorer on Colston?!?!?!?!?!

  10. SilenceTheCritics Says:

    Yea Free is definately going to have to be at his best. Or this is going to be ugly.

  11. 907bucsfan Says:


  12. canadianbuc Says:

    1st down 1st down 1st down 1st down 1st down………….This is a joke

  13. BucNeckid Says:

    Bucs look tentative
    WEAK Tackling with arms

  14. canadianbuc Says:

    We look soooooooooooooo unmotivated

  15. BucNeckid Says:

    Why run when you can Pass all day long

  16. BucNeckid Says:

    That was easy.
    Is it time to say this season is NOW over and start the Draft pick discussion?

  17. SilenceTheCritics Says:

    This isnt shocking. We all know our defense is bad. Come on Free!

  18. tim Says:

    This defense sucks…

  19. JJ1977 Says:

    Should, I turn the channel??

  20. Rob Says:

    Bucs improving upcoming draft pick as we speak. Bree’s shredding of the Buc’s defense off to a predictable start. Go Bucs!

  21. BucNeckid Says:

    Uh oh here comes three and outs…
    Not Good.

  22. Bobby C Says:

    three and out looks like Josh is scared already

  23. grif4foozball Says:

    Freemans a little girl,just like you dumbasses that cant see that!!!!

  24. Patrick Says:

    What a joke this has become. The biggest thing we have to cheer for is the “next draft pick”. Oh and f**k our pass defense. Biggers, Lewis, Wright, our whole secondary…….worthless!

  25. canadianbuc Says:

    3rd down!!

  26. SilenceTheCritics Says:

    we stopped em! Lol. A miracle.

  27. FloridaGirl Says:

    They stopped themselves…..

  28. 907bucsfan Says:

    you’re right a scared little girl

  29. SilenceTheCritics Says:

    Nice play. Good pass.

  30. canadianbuc Says:

    Where has tht ply been all year?

  31. SilenceTheCritics Says:

    Another good play and nice pass.

  32. 907bucsfan Says:

    Freeman must have lost his panties…

  33. Miguel El Magnifico Says:

    Negative YAC’s Clark

  34. Miguel El Magnifico Says:

    did MW get away with that push off??

  35. Architek Says:

    Freeman is baaaaaaack. LoL

  36. SilenceTheCritics Says:

    face plants his desk

  37. RastaMon Says:

    A Jack Thomson …throw

  38. Ian's Gay Lisp & Ron's Drinking Problem Says:

    sign Joe Flacco!!!!!! Freeman is WEIRD anyway

  39. Miguel El Magnifico Says:

    Pin point accuracy for Freeman or just chucking the ball in the general direction?

  40. Kirk Says:

    Freeman is killing this team. No contract extension!

  41. grif4foozball Says:

    #5=LITTLE GIRL!!!!Deal with it homers.

  42. Rob Says:

    Gosh Freeman continues to regress. Go Bycs!

  43. Justin Says:

    Doug Martin wide open on the interception

  44. BucNeckid Says:

    This is painful
    Time for me to walk away.
    Have a good day all

  45. canadianbuc Says:


  46. JJ1977 Says:

    Freeman sucks !! We need to draft a QB in the third round.

  47. canadianbuc Says:

    What now this teams going to quit on Schiano? WOW

  48. Miguel El Magnifico Says:

    QB in the 1st round

  49. tim Says:

    Love this Defense!

  50. Miguel El Magnifico Says:

    Benn’d around by Saints

  51. tim Says:

    I dont think they are quitting. I just think they suck.

  52. canadianbuc Says:

    These guys are laughing after they make the catch smfh

  53. Miguel El Magnifico Says:

    “All day to throw!”

  54. Miguel El Magnifico Says:

    If they get blown out, we’ll know they quit.

  55. JJ1977 Says:

    Put the backup QB in! The season is over, let’s see what he has.

  56. Bobby C Says:


  57. Gt40bear Says:

    Well, at least the good news is, I’ll get my yard mowed this afternoon. How pathetic! Lack of talent I can somewhat excuse, lack of effort, I WILL NOT! Toes on the line my ass!

  58. ElioT Says:

    Josh really sucks a** at anything but the deep ball. This defense is an embarrassing, flat out disgraceful!

  59. Miguel El Magnifico Says:

    They’re too busy talking about bowl games, NBA and catching up on all the gossip that they weren’t allowed to talk about in practice

  60. Patrick Says:

    Our cornerbacks deserve to be WHOPPED in the ass!!!!!!!!

  61. Architek Says:

    Freeman have been doing this crap, it shouldn’t surprise any of you. Only the homers should be startled.

  62. Miguel El Magnifico Says:

    10-0 sounds familiar

  63. MattHorse Says:

    Sheridan needs to go

  64. Miguel El Magnifico Says:

    yard short

  65. tim Says:

    I really think our injuries on the O-line are finally catching up with us. Josh always seems hurried. Also our running game doesnt seem quite as good as it was.

  66. 1976Buc Says:

    Balanced attack:

    NO rushing= 4players…TB=1
    Receiving NO=7 players…TB=3

  67. SilenceTheCritics Says:

    Multiple 3 and outs against the worst defense in the league.

  68. Miguel El Magnifico Says:

    3 and out, rariffied air for this Saints defense

  69. Rob Says:

    Trade Gosh while or if he has any value left. Draft an accurate passer and beef up cornerbacks. Run first with accurate qb will work. Screw Giah and his inconsistency ! Go Bucs!

  70. ElioT Says:

    WTF was that crap? 15 yard drop back, 7 yard out when you need 9. Another 3 and out!

    Just run it three times in a row, #5 ain’t got nothing for this horrible Taints defense.

  71. Miguel El Magnifico Says:

    They simply know that Josh can’t beat them so they’re all spying on Dougie

  72. Miguel El Magnifico Says:

    Danny “Hands of Stones” Gorrer

  73. Patrick Says:

    If we’re ever playing a talented team, don’t count on this team winning.

  74. SilenceTheCritics Says:

    Nice coverage by Biggers.

  75. Gt40bear Says:

    End the season with 6 straight losses. Since not going to playoffs, better draft position and you can tell the quitters so they can be cut!

  76. Architek Says:

    The Saints are terrible on defense and we are going 3 and out. The Saints are as bad a team as we are and this is a real gauge of where we are as a team. They are fading and not improving. Andrew Luck and the Colts look more competitive than we are and we have more talent. They clearly have a better QB.

  77. Patrick Says:

    EJ Biggers and his stinky dreds makes a play for once!

  78. holymoly Says:

    The worst defense in the NFL and Bucs keep going 3 and out .

  79. Miguel El Magnifico Says:

    I wonder if or when Josh will wake up today?

  80. FloridaGirl Says:

    Nice return….must get in the end zone here

  81. snook Says:

    If Freeman can’t roll up yards on this defense, then he’s not anything worth keeping.

  82. Patrick Says:

    4 straight seasons of no playoffs with Dom. and Josh. Yeah……its been SOOOOOO Fun!

  83. SacBucs Says:

    I hope the refs don’t dictate the dam game again!

  84. SilenceTheCritics Says:

    They need to run it on every play and add Blount into the mix so Dougie doesnt get wore out.

  85. Patrick Says:

    I like Josh……but wake the f’k up. This is his 4th year and we’re still having to baby him!

  86. Miguel El Magnifico Says:

    Nice touch, Free

  87. 907bucsfan Says:

    f**kin Freeman

  88. Kirk Says:

    Freeman is a game killer. My goodness

  89. KBC2 Says:

    And Freeman misses him!

  90. Gt40bear Says:

    Josh can’t hit a bull in the ass with a base fiddle!

  91. Patrick Says:


  92. Bobby C Says:


  93. Miguel El Magnifico Says:

    Nice tackle Free, I see you’re taking part in the daily tackling fundamentals drill

  94. 907bucsfan Says:

    freeman blamin eveyone else

  95. snook Says:

    Orlovsky. Please put him in. freeman is a joke.

  96. SilenceTheCritics Says:

    This game is over.

  97. Gt40bear Says:

    Do these guy NOT practice together all week? Damn it, get on the same page!

  98. KBC2 Says:

    This is painful

  99. Kirk Says:

    Freeman is quickly showing that he is not a franchise quarterback.

  100. Ian's Gay Lisp & Ron's Drinking Problem Says:

    #5 is a back-up QB…..he had a losing record in college too.

  101. Patrick Says:

    Wittle Freeman…….aw what’s wrong with him?

  102. SilenceTheCritics Says:

    Now our players are fighting with our coaches. not good at all

  103. Miguel El Magnifico Says:

    Is that Cox and Heyward? WOW!!!!

  104. Gt40bear Says:

    Melting down guys, nice job!

  105. Miguel El Magnifico Says:

    1st down

  106. Rob Says:

    Gosh strikes again. Every stupid play Gosh makes is hurting his trade value. Just run on every play. Go Bucs!

  107. SacBucs Says:

    Hayward don’t want it with Cox

  108. Miguel El Magnifico Says:

    Cox is a tough SOB, I wonder who would win that fight?

  109. Patrick Says:

    This is looking like a 6 game collapse to finish the season.

  110. SilenceTheCritics Says:

    LMAO even the rare times we actually get a good shot on Brees AND he stils a completion for a first down.

  111. Kirk Says:

    Freeman is soo bad, I would rather go with my wife grocery shopping than watch this game.

  112. Gt40bear Says:

    Whoever the hell 36 is, nice coverage dude, you might want to go back and pick up your jock!

  113. grif4foozball Says:

    Where you @ Raphelia(raphael),lying in bed with your Freeman blow-up doll?I told you Freeman sucks you dumb-ass!!!!

  114. Patrick Says:

    Just so you know guys……..the quarterbacks in this years draft SUCK

  115. Miguel El Magnifico Says:

    Don’t worry about Free’s trade value, KC has the stupidest GM in the NFL

  116. Ian's Gay Lisp & Ron's Drinking Problem Says:

    Cox & Hayward in SHOVING MATCH!!! Team IMPLODING. Raheem got fired for the same thing with LESS talent

  117. SilenceTheCritics Says:

    Our defense is only good for giving our offense a quick breather.

  118. canadianbuc Says:

    we suck we suck we suck we suck…………………………..We really shouldnt suck tho

  119. Gt40bear Says:


  120. Miguel El Magnifico Says:

    I like Geno Smith or Matt Barkley both will go in the 1st half of the 1st round.

  121. Sgt Mike Says:

    Schiano needs to get this crap under control and quick.

  122. Patrick Says:

    4 straight games of lights out play by Freeman

    Now it’s 4 straight games of SUCKING by Freeman.

  123. pewterpirate99 Says:

    Freeman is NOT a franchise quarterback. The Glazers better not sign this guy to a big long term contract. Amen grif4foozball!

  124. holymoly Says:


  125. Patrick Says:

    Give Freeman the minimum contract. This guy has TONS to prove.

  126. Miguel El Magnifico Says:

    Stocker covered by a defensive lineman come through!

  127. Draft a QB Says:

    Josh Freeman is getting worse each week.

  128. SilenceTheCritics Says:

    wtf was that throw freeman? my god thats just absolutely awfully

  129. snook Says:

    Freeman owes a bookie money. I’m convinced .

  130. Patrick Says:

    Wow are you serious???? That was the worst pass I’ve ever seen!!

  131. snook Says:

    24-0 at half.

  132. FLBoyInDallas Says:

    Everyone thought Freeman only sucked under pressure. It’s obvious today that he can suck under any circumstances. He’s having tons of time to throw and still looks horrible.

  133. Patrick Says:

    PUNT PUNT PUNT PUNT PUNT PUNT PUNT PUNT ………the only thing this team knows how to do.

  134. SilenceTheCritics Says:

    A wide open martin about 4 yards away from him and josh throws it 2 yards over his Fk’ing head…. unbelieveable that somebody can be that inaccurate.

  135. houstonbucs Says:

    Free can’t do a damn thing. Nice knowing you free…

  136. Capt. Tim Says:

    Gotta change those black out rules to include home games. Lets see Danny O in the second half!

  137. SilenceTheCritics Says:

    I think I could of closed my eyes and made that pass

  138. Capt. Tim Says:

    Away games! Sorry

  139. FLBoyInDallas Says:

    If this team finishes 6-10 you can expect more significant changes in the offseason. Sheridan for one.

  140. snook Says:

    If the saints score fast enough, it could be 31-0 at half.

    I can’t wait until our 3 and out series to start the 2nd half.

  141. Patrick Says:


  142. TAC Says:

    Time to bench Freeman, sorry to all of his fanboys, but he is the problem on Offense. Nice long ball, even with the overthrows, but Pop corn muncher was right about his short game. Chris Simms + Byron Leftwitch, sprinkled with Trent Dilfer sauce = Josh Freeman.

  143. FloridaGirl Says:

    Trade Freeman for Cousins….at least you can start with a guy who’s fundamentally sound

  144. Reality Check Says:

    Where my Freeman fanboys at? Franchise QB performance!!

  145. Capt. Tim Says:

    Rahes gone. Who do we blame this endless losing streak on?

  146. Miguel El Magnifico Says:

    I like Bryan Cox, give him a promotion

  147. Patrick Says:

    2008 and 2011 all over again…….big losing streak to close out the year.

  148. Bobby C Says:


  149. DallasBuc Says:

    Freeman is making his share of mistakes but it isn’t all him. Looks like receivers could be helping him out a bit more. Play calling seems a little off too. Lets see what this coach does to hold it together. We were in this situation every week last year and we know how the coaching was inadequate

  150. grif4foozball Says:

    @Patrick,I would give Smith or barkley a shot before I signed Nancy Freeman to any kind of contract!!!!

  151. Miguel El Magnifico Says:

    “2008 and 2011 all over again…….big losing streak to close out the year”

    Coaching change coming?????

  152. Capt. Tim Says:

    Patrick- been in the badlands, brother. Glad to be home, talking Bucs again!

  153. J-VillesBuc84 Says:


    Please write an article on Freeman “Will the Real Josh Freeman Please stand up”

  154. Bobby C Says:

    Agree Smith or Barkley would be an improvement over this mess.

  155. Patrick Says:

    Greg Schiano is a good coach. The problem is that we have a team of Misfits!

  156. DallasBuc Says:

    Calm down chicken littles. Freeman is in a bit if a slump. He can play better and I think he will

  157. JJ1977 Says:

    Trade Freeman to KC, for there first round pick. I don’t want hear this is a new system,
    for Freeman! Look at RG3 and Luck in there new systems. He sucks!!

  158. Architek Says:

    Freeman is exactly what we have been saying. It’s uninspiring brand of football and the Bucs will be screwed more if they overpay him. They better draft someone they trust more and have a better feel for. This guy is used goods and have tapped out above the shoulders.

  159. Patrick Says:

    Yeah……get Barkley if want another Leinart or Sanchez.

    Alex Smith will be available and or maybe you trade for Cousins.

  160. 1976Buc Says:

    Where are all the pass catching RB’s?

  161. Rob Says:

    Gosh 50% comp for 85 yards 2 int
    Bree’s 66.7% for 178 2tds

    Any surprise? Dismal Tampa qb play AGAIN. Go Bucs!

  162. Bobby C Says:

    Freeman offers no leadership to this team.

  163. Architek Says:

    These guys are quitting my God.

  164. TampaRob Says:

    It looks like Michael Husted is playing QB today… really. Freeman looks like he’s lost lately.

  165. Gt40bear Says:

    They suck…that is all!

  166. Miguel El Magnifico Says:

    Horrible clock management, the Bucs don’t have a clue. Last time I saw it this bad, Buddy Ryan punched Kevin Gilbride in the mouth

  167. SilenceTheCritics Says:

    This is awful. Offense, Defense and special teams are just absolutely awful.

  168. snook Says:

    Alex Smith is a better QB than Freeman.

  169. Bobby C Says:

    Hey patrick, i think we would have three more wins if sanchez was our qb.

  170. TampaRob Says:

    @Dallas- this isn’t a slump. It’s a total mental meltdown. Chuck Knoblauch type of meltdown…

  171. Patrick Says:

    Our defense is horrendous no question, but Freeman has been shut down in the 1st half two weeks in a row against two of the worst defenses (Eagles and Saints).

  172. canadianbuc Says:

    This is a joke!!! Freeman is really showing is true colors he sucks Doug Martin isnt playing well our defense is a complete utter joke IM SICK OF SEEING THIS TEAM LOSE by freeman this season he has proved he is to inconsistent to be a starting qb in this league!!!!!!!!!!! IM SO PISSED OFFFFFF

  173. Patrick Says:

    @Bobby C

    No, Sanchez is an AWFUL quarterback. Don’t be crazy.

  174. Jbeachbuc Says:

    Seriously, why does it look like our defensive pass scheme is to stand around and wait for the completion then actually start playing football and go tackle the receiver???
    …….Good God I’m so sick of it

  175. snook Says:

    Amazing that its still gonna be 24-0. What a joke.

  176. Gt40bear Says:

    Oh well.

  177. canadianbuc Says:

    I hate to say this but Mark Sanchez would tear this defense a part

  178. Gt40bear Says:

    ….and with that, off to mow the yard. Thank you and goodnight!

  179. FLBoyInDallas Says:

    I’m convinced Schiano needs “his guy” at the QB position. Freeman will never get this team to the top.

  180. FloridaGirl Says:

    What draft pick are they playing for????

  181. Patrick Says:

    Brad Johnson should’ve suited up last Sunday

  182. R Cantrell Says:

    Just humiliating

  183. holymoly Says:

    This is pitiful , do these guys have any pride ? Freeman couldn’t hit water if he fell out of a boat .

  184. SilenceTheCritics Says:

    Well at least we get a better draft pick with this loss. And no Miguel we arent using it on a QB.

  185. Bobby C Says:

    Yeah your right patrick, but this is ridiculous. LOL

  186. DallasBuc Says:

    Tampa Rob. How is this bad first half a “meltdown”? Can’t it just be a bad first half. A bunch of drama queens in the house. Last I checked Freeman’s poor play isn’t the only thing going wrong for us today

  187. Reality Check Says:

    We’re witnessing history guys. Soak it up. Worst secondary to ever play football in the NFL.

  188. DallasBuc Says:

    Canadian- have you watched Sanchez play?

  189. R Cantrell Says:

    Freeman may have the tools and could be a good QB but they need someone on the roster next year that will push him for a starting job week in and week out. Still the first pick and free agency focus needs to be a #1 corner.

  190. passthebuc Says:

    I don’t know if Freeman is just under coached or doesn’t get it. your throwing a short route, your receiver is open by 5 yards and you wait for a better option which does not exist. you go back to the primary target and he is blanketed.

  191. Bobby C Says:

    DallasBuc, its alright to be a homer, but you have to admit that Josh has done anything to help this situation, remember the old saying if your not part of the solution, your part of the problem. Josh is a big part of the problem.

  192. houstonbucs Says:

    Free executed the kneel down perfectly…

  193. Patrick Says:

    We need DEFENSE in the 1st round.

    The Saints have Drew Brees; they’re 5-8.

    Because they have an awful defense.

    It won’t matter who our quarterback is until we clean house with this secondary!!

  194. Ian's Gay Lisp & Ron's Drinking Problem Says:

    Only 130 days 2 hours & 30 Minutes till the NFL Draft…Bucs have #10 Pick

  195. Rob Says:

    Gosh will be traded during the off season. Maybe draft day trade with KC. His hometown will trade for him. I’d rather watch an accurate rookie than a 4-5 year vet who passes like he us blindfolded. GI Bycs!

  196. BucFan20 Says:

    So only our secondary cost us the playoffs this year? Where did I see that BS this week??? Evevn Dave Moore is in the what the hell mode with The Great Freeman. Is that Doug Blount I see playing tip toe at the line today on some of the runs? How about hesitation and indecision?

  197. BigMacAttack Says:

    We suck. Gorer is the worst CB I have ever seen. Freeman is a joke and looks like a statue. This is so depressing to watch and somebody should be fired now. I want Kiffen back please.

  198. lurker Says:

    i’ve missed this game, but in halftime highlights/lowlights of another game, they showed a bucs player pushing bryan cox on the sidelines. i missed which player. so who was it?

  199. TampaRob Says:

    No, Dallas.. this has been going on for 3-4 games now. Shutout by the 2 worst defenses in the league- bouncing passes, and the completions he’s making are poorly thrown. Yes, there are other things going wrong- but Freeman has been freaking out whenever he gets the slightest pressure. Heck- look at my posts– I was defending him after the Denver game. NO has given up over 400 yds of offense per game- last in the league.. and Freeman has VJax, Doug Martin, and Williams- They should be able to dink and dunk at least and kill some clock for their own tired D. O line is blocking and has allowed (I think) 4th fewest sacks per game. Sorry- this falls all on 5.

  200. MTM Says:

    The Bucs GM & scouting are horrible. Freeman cannot hit an open receiver consistently. They are to thin at every position. It is beyond embarrasing to be a Bucs fan.

  201. Red86 Says:

    O line got me smh. 2 yard avg. for martin. Qb and Wrs aren’t on the same page. And where are the screens when you know they are blitzing you Sullivan?

  202. TampaRob Says:

    @lurker- Adam Hayward

  203. Bucnnole Says:

    Dallas, open up your eyes. Freeman is melting down right in front of us. INSERT DAN ORLOVSKY!

  204. Bobby C Says:

    Be nice if Shiano would just look over at Josh during halftime and say son, go over there and shut up, we are going with Dan. Insanity=doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result.

  205. SilenceTheCritics Says:

    Freeman did not even play like a Professional QB that first half. He missed some passes that a child could of easily made.

  206. Neil Says:

    Nothing to even get excited about here as a Bucs fan… Barron’s getting a lot of tackles as Drew Brees goes right down the field

  207. BigMacAttack Says:

    Blocking is almost nonexistent. Schiano needs to get a handle on his team. Barron made a good hit, highlight of the day. Team was rising and then took a nosedive 3 games ago.

  208. bucobruce Says:

    The only thing I want to know is why the coach and or GM did not go get any corners when the guys we have at corner suck and I mean suck ,like the worst corners in the history of NFL.

  209. ElioT Says:

    #5 is 7/16 for 85 yards and 2 INTs. WOW that’s awful!

  210. lurker Says:

    thanks tamparob

  211. JJ1977 Says:

    We can get one of these QB’s in the third round or fourth round from the Pats.

    Ryan Nassib

    Teddy Bridewater

  212. Miguel El Magnifico Says:

    The most important player on the field is by far the QB. He handles the football on every offensive play.

    If you draft the world’s greatest CB, the ball will never even go towards his direction.

    The !st draft pick should go to a franchise type QB and not a Josh Freeman type in the 3rd round.

    Alex Smith sucks. Sanchez sucks.

    Just because there have been a couple busts out of USC, that doesn’t mean Barkley will fail.

  213. raphael Says:

    Putrid ! they have settled in for the off season.Freeman and the offense is embarrassing !

  214. FLBoyInDallas Says:

    All I want for Christmas is a QB who can read a defense and throw an accurate pass. Is that too much to ask for?

  215. BigMacAttack Says:

    Fast lane to 6-10

  216. lurker Says:

    miguel, you think barkley was great this year?

  217. DallasBuc Says:

    Bobby C- so if you are asking me if Freeman has done anything to help the situation in this game, I say not much. He led one good drive with good reads and good throws but either he or Jackson screwed up on a route and there was the second int. His poor play is only part of the problem today.
    Stop putting this entire bad half on one guy. I may be a homer but I think I am just a bit more of a dispassionate realist than you ‘sky is falling on our chicken little heads’ fan boys. Your freak out and jumping ship is way more disturbing than the terrible play of my beloved buccaneers

  218. ShelbyBucsGurl Says:

    If Josh finishes the season with 6 straight badly inaccurate games (and this is 4 in a row so far), is the QB position in play for 2013? I would think YES, it has to be. But that is just one girls opinion. That was actually a rhetorical question; I am going X-mas shopping for the rest of this debacle.

  219. Bucnnole Says:

    We could have picked up street free agents Ronald Bartell or Stanford Routt. They would have been an improvement over these over matched bums that are out there now. When does blame fall in Bill Sheridan or more importantly Mark Dominik. FIRE DOM!

  220. SilenceTheCritics Says:

    96 total yards of offense. What a disgusting stat when you think about the worst team in the league in defense.

  221. SilenceTheCritics Says:

    Lol fake punt. Havent seen that in a long time.

  222. SilenceTheCritics Says:

    My god how the hell can you have all day in the pocket to throw a deep ball and you throw the dam ball short.

  223. Miguel El Magnifico Says:

    1st a fake punt and then Freeman punts

  224. BucFan20 Says:

    PICK. Number 3. Held the Damn ball AGAIN.

  225. SilenceTheCritics Says:

    That was also a bad play on Clark or Stocker whoever that way.

  226. raphael Says:

    dallas clark is horrible today..just as bad as Freeman is..

  227. Bobby C Says:

    Thats three for the record.

  228. Patrick Says:

    Good lord what is wrong with Freeman?

  229. DallasBuc Says:

    That was not under thrown!! Clark got turned around. He was in position to make a play on that ball.

  230. Bobby C Says:

    underthrown pass by freeman

  231. Bobby C Says:

    I guess Clark is stupid, thats right!!! I forgot

  232. the Baron Buc Says:

    My God….. What an embarrassment.

  233. BucNeckid Says:

    I came back to give it a second chance and
    I see nothing has changed.
    Josh had ALL DAY to throw that
    Threw it short
    and still blamed the WIDE OPEN Dallas Clark (at least that is what his look said)
    Billick is defending Josh
    but on the replay i agree with Clark
    He starts to the pylon because that whole third of the field was wide open to run into the pass.

  234. ShelbyBucsGurl Says:

    BTW: My dad points out Washington drafted Kirk Cousins to trade him….just saying. Ok, I’m out.

  235. SilenceTheCritics Says:

    This team really does look flat, uninspired… starting to look like last years team when they quit.

  236. Miguel El Magnifico Says:


  237. FloridaGirl Says:

    well at least the fake punt had positive yardage before the third interception of the game…..stop throwing it, run it all day or put Orlovsky in….there’s no way they’re coming back from this score

  238. ClayBURN94 Says:

    Trade for Kirk Cousins and fire Dominik!! His draft pics have been awful besides this year!!

  239. BucNeckid Says:

    Bright spot this year,
    the rookies L.David and D.Martin

  240. DallasBuc Says:


  241. Bobby C Says:

    Would you not look hopeless and uninispired if your only hope for success was Freeman, maybe the team is quiting on the idea that Josh can help them win. Josh is not a leader ,

  242. raphael Says:

    like taking candy from a baby….

  243. BucNeckid Says:

    Later everybody,
    I just got sick again

  244. SilenceTheCritics Says:

    These QBs are the exact opposites. Brees is pin point accurate and Free… isnt.

  245. lurker Says:

    lol at the idiotic comments here.

  246. FloridaGirl Says:

    ShelbybucsGirl….I’m with you…..trade him for Cousins and let Rah have his guy in DC…..we’ll at least have a QB that has solid fundamentals and is a good leader….

  247. RastaMon Says:

    Someone steal Freemans snakes……

  248. DallasBuc Says:

    Even if Freemanwere playing better, do you really think tweedle dee and tweedle dum in our secondary are gonna keep Brees from blowing us out today? Thanks for playing!!

  249. Architek Says:

    Trust me I have tried to reason and rationalize this team’s performance but there its simple and plain. Subpar qb and defense equate to losses. The talent on the team shows because they have loss close games but over the course of the season Freeman has shown he is just a middle of the pack qb. If the bucs are convinced he is the answer then fine but they have excuses for why Raymond James will not sell out.

    Freeman will not sell out Raymond James. Period.

  250. pewterpirate99 Says:

    They will finish 6-10……last home game will be a total black out. The way he’s playing it looks like Freeman’s been blacked out. I mean look at the deer in the head lights look he has.

  251. lurker Says:

    wish we could trade these supposed “fans”

    where is the defense?

  252. SacBucs Says:

    Get rid of all the cb’s

  253. Bobby C Says:

    After that play from Brees, imagine you play defense, you already know all your getting is a five minute break, cause Josh is going to give up the ball again, or its going to be another three and out.

  254. lurker Says:

    peyton manning wouldn’t sell out rjs

  255. snook Says:

    What’s going to be really embarrassing is when we lose to Atlanta and their 2nd stringers.

  256. Sgt Mike Says:

    I just threw up in my mouth a little. What do you think Billick is thinking since he was not picked for the HC job but should have been? Yes, Dumbinick should have been fired along with Radio Rah. For that matter this team has done nothing but regress since Malcolm Glazer relinquished control to the 3 Stooges. I say we need new ownership as well. Think Eddie DeBartolo would settle for this crap?

  257. Miguel El Magnifico Says:

    That’s 5 minutes of real time not clock time and 4 minutes are commercials

  258. Tuco Says:

    lol at the people who are saying trade him for Cousins in Washington? Did you forget that Griffin III is their starting qb, so why would Freeman go to Washington to backup? I wouldn’t mind trading him to KC however.

  259. Kirk Says:

    Pull Freeman. 3 picks=17 points.

  260. JJ1977 Says:

    Im going to go get drunk, its more exciting!!

  261. Patrick Says:

    Wow, Adam Hayward pushing his OWN coach???? This team is embarrassing. Cut his ass in the offseason!

  262. FLBoyInDallas Says:

    I’d be ecstatic if Freeman were traded to KC for their first round pick. He’s still a better prospect in most people’s minds than Geno Smith or Matt Barkley and KC needs a QB desperately (some would say the Bucs do too). Pull the trigger and get busy developing an accurate QB who knows how to read defenses.

  263. Marknlutz Says:

    Dominick is a rock star Joe? I think not

  264. Miguel El Magnifico Says:

    I believe Cox pushed Hayward 1st, he was in his way. Hayward retaliated, never a good move

  265. SilenceTheCritics Says:

    I cant bare to watch anymore. I’ll just listen to the comments lol

  266. Dave Says:

    Anyone who thinks Freeman is a franchise QB is either blind or an idiot.

  267. Miguel El Magnifico Says:

    Geno Smith considers every ball game to be a chess match. He’s an intellectual.

    Josh Freeman thinks, “Chest match??”

  268. Rob Says:

    Cut Hayward’s ass. That SOB. Brian Cox should beat his ass after the game and send Freeman too.

  269. Oahubuc Says:

    You guys get it now? Freeman is mentally weak. We better not pay this guy.

  270. FLBoyInDallas Says:

    Agree Freeman is mentally weak. Well said.

  271. Snakeplaskon Says:

    Lets face it…there is no more defending freeman…he is not good

  272. DallasBuc Says:

    Denver is thrashing Baltimore 31-3. Do you fairweather fanboys think we will have competition with Baltimore as we try and trade our QBs away for Kirk Cousins?
    Are any of you over the age of 13?

  273. MadMax Says:

    Im all about it guys…..just lose out and position for the draft, and PLEASE draft a QB 1ST!!! Then hit the corners!

  274. ShelbyBucsGurl Says:

    Hey TUCO, no dummy. The theory was trade FOR Cousins. Freeman becomes a back-up or trade bait for the remainder of his contract. LOL, some of people here are either perpetually drunk or dazzlingly uniformed. =)

  275. ShelbyBucsGurl Says:


  276. Oahubuc Says:

    How does calling out a bad quarterback make one fair weather? You’re just stringing phrases together.

  277. snook Says:

    Can we throw to Dallas Clark some more?

  278. FLBoyInDallas Says:

    Being a true fan doesn’t mean you have to support players no matter what. Keeping bad players is just stupid.

  279. Bobby C Says:


  280. BucFan20 Says:

    Now Is thw way a team with a BIG LEAD Plays. Let us Run time off the clock.

  281. Miguel El Magnifico Says:

    Paying a bad QB $8.3 million next year is stupid

  282. snook Says:

    Saints are 30th in points allowed. And we’ve scored zero today. Awful.

    This team gave up on the season after the Atlanta loss.

  283. canadianbuc Says:

    I look at the Colts last year they had what 2 wins? This year there 9-4 poised to be in the playoffs and what on there team changed? They part ways with Manning, Clark, Saturday three key vets who helped them win a super bowl years ago. So in theory you would think they would be worse this year there defense was horrible last year and they have the same personnel this year on D. BUT they got a guy named Andrew Luck an outstanding QB who has single handily changed this sub par team into a playoff team. They play inspired and with heart. Now to the bucs, they had talent last year but totally went of the rails and fell apart and then in the offseason we fire Rah we upgrade with Nicks, Jackson and Wright (not really tho with right). O i forgot the draft we draft Barron with the 7th overall pick and we have outstanding rookies in David and martin. SO why are we so bad Yes our defense is absolutely horrible but the colts is nothing to cheer about either. Colts have no running game and one good receiver. We have 2 great receivers a great run game BUT the colts have ANDREW LUCK we Have Josh Freeman could you imagine Luck with this offense? Just putting it out there how they are going to the playoffs and once again were falling off the tracks

  284. FLBoyInDallas Says:

    Just because a lot of Tampa media as well as Bucs fans believe Freeman is as good as we’re likely to get any time soon doesn’t mean that’s the end of the discussion. Having the attitude of, “well there are 15 teams in the NFL who would love to have Freeman” is just a dumbass approach. What stupidity. Settling for mediocrity is moronic. If the Bucs front office isn’t questioning making Freeman their QB of the future right about now then something is seriously wrong with those dimwits.

  285. BucFan20 Says:

    Where is Shun King. Eagles 2011 Bucs. What do you call these?

  286. FloridaGirl Says:

    Why are they not taking the field goals instead of going for it on fourth down? They’ve demonstrated repeatedly that they can’t make it happen…..should have at least 6 points on the board instead of an egg..

  287. Patrick Says:


    Yeah agreed. It’s been 4 years with Dom and Free. and we still haven’t gotten into the playoffs once, or been a legitimate contender.

  288. lurker Says:

    uninformed…because we all don’t have our dad saying cousins blah, blah, blah

    lol 🙂

    ohhh and i put a smiley face too, so it means it is ok

  289. Gunner Eleven Says:

    We need a new QB. New corners. New position coaches. Santa please help us.

  290. Sgt Mike Says:

    Piece it all together and you still have pis-poor ownership. The piece work might end us up with Matt Leinert or some other Never-Has-Beens! Along with the bad economy these 3 Stooges have cut the value of these Bucs almost to what they bought it for after it was worth almost a Billion dollars within the 3 years after the Super Bowl. If Malcolm was dead he would be rolling over in his grave. Wow, what a fall from grace.

  291. Jason A Says:

    Teams figured out to blitz freeman. That is his downfall. If he has time he completes passes (sometimes) but when he gets pressured he sucks and blames others. He also stares down his receivers and teams are all over it. He has been like this since he came in the league and there has been NO change!! Try to trade him and draft a rookie. But not in the first round, we need corners

  292. FLBoyInDallas Says:

    Another INT for your Freeman homers.

    Merry f-cking Christmas.

  293. Miguel El Magnifico Says:

    Deer in the headlights!

    “Coach, the sun was in my eyes!”

  294. Patrick Says:


  295. Bobby C Says:

    Whats wrong Josh the guy in the front row not open enough for you to hit. Oh wait you cant hit him either.

  296. canadianbuc Says:

    Shut up about the ownership they out money into FA last year and Jackson looks pretty damn good yes wrights a dumbass and nicks is injured but still i think there last to blame

  297. lurker Says:

    indy tanked it last year for luck. they had too much talent, even without manning.

  298. Reality Check Says:

    Looks like Josh is working on his QB/TD ratio today. Tell me again how great is ratio is and why that makes him good. The guy is awful.

  299. BucFan20 Says:

    That’s 4. Guess that one is blamed on Underswood. Lord knows it’s not Freemans fault. I know what it is. He wants to shoe he is as good as Drew. He can get 5 picks in 1 game too.

  300. lurker Says:

    you all are some miserable sons of *****. the negativity is crazy. enjoy your misery loves company cockroach existences.

  301. BK Says:

    Its time to move on from Josh Freeman. 4 INTs…aweful touch to make things worse missing the TD earlier. This is the real him..the tape/stats dont lie.

  302. canadianbuc Says:

    LJ is a practice squad CB not even a roster player

  303. pewterpirate99 Says:

    I’ve lost count….how many interceptions is that now for Freebird ?? The Saints defense were ranked dead last in the nfl in pass defense. They only had 10 picks all season…. I believe that is 4 today against our so called franchise quarter back.

  304. Rob Says:

    Gosh now has 4 picks. Epic meltdown. Team has zero confidence in him. Schiano is not married to this chump and Gosh will play somewhere else (probably KC) next year. Right it down. Can’t wait for 2013. Go Bucs!

  305. Patrick Says:

    @lurker……..eat sh*t

  306. canadianbuc Says:

    @Lurker What are you talking about??? This game is a nightmare please share something positive PLEASE!

  307. FLBoyInDallas Says:

    Embarrassing to have the worst QB in your division.

  308. lurker Says:

    patrick please don’t kick your dog and put your gun away. one tragedy this week is enough.

  309. DallasBuc Says:

    Some of you, most of you today, are the epitome of fairweather fanboys. There is nothing wrong with criticism and expecting greatness. But not showing up to ball games because, what?, your team isn’t wining? Winning enough? Making playoffs? Winning superbowls? You losers want a winner and put the knife in when it doesn’t all work out. This fan base is way more embarrassing than the play on the field today

  310. Patrick Says:

    Lurker, are you even watching his horror show vs. the Saints??

  311. Bobby C Says:

    Hey lurker, Put down the koolaide and watch the game, you might notice as we all do that Freeman SUCKS

  312. lurker Says:


    i am out of market…

    but things are not as dire as people believe, and they weren’t as good as people thought.

  313. lurker Says:

    freeman sucks this game…but it has gone waaayyyy overboard with other things here.

  314. Reality Check Says:

    @ Lurker you’re the reason Tampa Bay has a horrible fan base. You’re the fan that doesn’t care enough to get upset when your team is getting demolished and can’t score against the worst defense in the league. Somehow staying positive (please tell me one good thing from today’s game) makes you better than everyone, right? Delusional idiot. Try not to fall getting off your high horse.

  315. Rob Says:

    Hey loser Lurker. Why don’t you move to KC with Gosh. You love him don’t you. You are the cockroach . Go Bucs!

  316. Patrick Says:

    I’ve been watching every Bucs game since my earliest memories!! But this showing by our team is unacceptable!!

  317. lurker Says:

    kirk cousins has 2 interceptions, though 1 td….he is not the answer

  318. FLBoyInDallas Says:

    No one who failed to watch the game today can understand how absolutely, totally horrible Freeman played. You can’t communicate it in words. The video says it all, though.

  319. Patrick Says:

    Lurker, keep in mind that Josh is playing the worst defense in football. A franchise QB takes care of defenses like these with no problem.

  320. lurker Says:

    not hard to be above the crap where you love to dwell, realitycheck

  321. Architek Says:

    Go to hell or another blog. Take Raphael and DallasBuc with you too.

  322. lurker Says:

    i never said freeman is a franchise qb, nor supported his play today.

  323. Reality Check Says:

    Weak sauce. Take your trolling elsewhere.

  324. Bobby C Says:

    ADD a fumble to Josh’s numbers, Guess his arm was tired.

  325. lurker Says:

    lol…there is no hell architek, just the place you love to dwell on sundays

  326. FLBoyInDallas Says:

    Hahahahah!!! Freeman holds the ball way too long and loses a sack-fumble. Fifth TO for Freeman today. All his fault. This is like a comedy.

  327. FloridaGirl Says:

    And that’s five turnovers…..

  328. Bobby C Says:

    Daniel, in for QB

  329. Oahubuc Says:

    Freeloader gives the ball away 5 times. Kid has potential.

  330. BucFan20 Says:

    Hold the ball, sack fumble. Oh how great he is. Let’s hear it. I know someone else is to blame. HE HELD THE BALL AGAIN!!!

  331. lurker Says:

    does anybody think matt barkley is the answer? anyone other than miguel.

  332. DallasBuc Says:

    Architek- stay classy!! This fan base needs more fairweather girls like you

  333. lurker Says:

    geno smith won’t fall down enough, and i have no idea what other qb’s in the draft are worthy this year.

  334. Patrick Says:

    I Patrick, do solemnly swear, that Raheem Morris is on the sidelines today.

  335. canadianbuc Says:

    What happened to our run d this game?

  336. Patrick Says:

    Just do not draft Barkley (see: Sanchez, Leinart).

  337. FLBoyInDallas Says:

    If the Bucs go 6-10 Geno Smith is definitely in play. Without a doubt. He’s a top ten pick but not a top five.

  338. lurker Says:

    wow, josh freeman with a pass interference….oh wait, just the bad defense

  339. Patrick Says:

    WOW, 40 – 0?????? What the hell is happening?

  340. FLBoyInDallas Says:

    Barkley: no effing way. Smith: hell yes. Wilson: in the second round perhaps. Bray: no thank you.

  341. lurker Says:

    i agree patrick, no barkley.

  342. lurker Says:

    who thought things would get turned around in 1 year?

  343. Patrick Says:

    If we’re gonna move on from Freeman, get Alex Smith. He’s proven, and we don’t have to start over with another rookie.

  344. lurker Says:

    we have got to hope freeman will get this out of his system and have a much better year next year. if not, i have no idea what qb is available. cousins is not the answer, and the draft is thin this year.

  345. Patrick Says:

    And please re-sign Blount, he’s a good football player that got screwed big time this year.

  346. canadianbuc Says:

    @Lurker What is wrong with thinking things could turn around in 1 year??? I dont get wtf is wrong with that with the talent we have we should be in the playoff hunt!

  347. lurker Says:

    alex smith as a game manager until a rookie can be drafted in 2014

  348. lurker Says:

    there were/are too many problems with the team to think it would turn around in 1 year. i still say we are wayyy better than last year.

  349. Patrick Says:

    No Lurker, Alex Smith took the 49ers to the NFL championship last year and wins. Nothing wrong with him.

  350. lurker Says:

    pushing your coach is not a buccaneer man. i hope that gets addressed soon, and not after the season.

  351. FLBoyInDallas Says:

    Freeman is under contract for one more year. No reason to get Alex Smith when we already have Freeman. That’s assuming there’s no QB in this draft that the Bucs think they can develop. I’m not so sure. It looks totally possible that we could lose out and end up with a top ten pick and select Geno Smith.

  352. houstonbucs Says:

    Like taking a Pepsi from Harry from One Direction..

  353. Buc fan south Tampa Says:

    This Raheen Morris-like sorry axx football.

  354. lurker Says:

    didn’t say anything is wrong with a game manager/alex smith. brad johnson was one and won a superbowl here.

  355. Patrick Says:

    This team is gonna lose out. 2011 is back again.

  356. lurker Says:

    wow, blount can run. lol, i forgot what that looks like.

  357. Patrick Says:

    This is just embarrassing. I’m going to have to hold off on wearing my new Bucs la badgenyards to work. No need to invite ridicule

  358. Patrick Says:

    Michael Clayton made a catch…….oh wait.

  359. FLBoyInDallas Says:

    This is hilarious…Orlovsky is gonna be the only Bucs QB to lead the offense to a score today. How sadly funny that is.

  360. Patrick Says:

    @Patrick……..add something else to your name.

  361. Patrick Says:

    Between this year and last year it really looks like this team has a lot of quit in them.

  362. Legarrettes Blunt Says:

    Watch what you wish for bucs fans! I would take Freeman over Flacco, Schaub, and a bunch of other playoff qbs. We need a real slot receiver who has burner speed and our offense will be fine, when NIcks and Joseph are healthy. Cut Biggers though how much can he get beat and still be on the team.

  363. Patrick Says:

    Should’ve kicked a FG 🙂

  364. FLBoyInDallas Says:

    Slot receivers don’t throw inaccurate passes, INTs and fail to read defenses properly. QBs do that. Specifically, Josh Freeman does that.

  365. Patrick Says:

    Matt Schuab is a great QB, what the hell are you talking about?

  366. FLBoyInDallas Says:

    I will say this without a doubt: if Freeman gets another contract this team will be stuck in mediocrity for years to come. I sincerely hope that doesn’t happen. If it does I will lose a good part of my interest in following this team so closely each season.

  367. lurker Says:

    damn, it got quiet here…someone needs to call 911 so they can block of the sunshine skyway bridge.

    or wait, darwinism might be a good thing for bucs fans.

  368. Bobby C Says:

    Wow, Going to still put down my deposit on Monday for Season tickets next year, Just hope and pray that Josh Freeman is not the QB next year, and we can add some more pieces on Defense, still love my Bucs.

  369. BucfaninMi Says:

    Geno Smith is not a QB!! In the NFL he is a KR/PR. Just like Denard Robinson!!

  370. FloridaGirl Says:

    Still don’t understand why they didn’t take the FGs??? Not that it would’ve made much difference on the score board, but 41-9 is much better than getting shut out……Or was that the lesson for Freeman and the offense today??

  371. lurker Says:

    so there a no qb’s worthy of a first round pick this year? we need a cb too.

  372. FLBoyInDallas Says:

    Only a dumbass wouldn’t realize that Geno Smith is a top ten pick. He’s nothing like Denard Robinson. Nothing. What an imbecilic statement. Teenagers shouldn’t be allowed to comment here.

  373. TampaRob Says:

    come on folks.. I’m the furthest thing from fair weather fan. All I’m saying is that Freeman was on fire and then the league figured out how to get to him. Freeman needed to step up against the weak defenses in Philly and NO but didn’t show up at all… It looks to me like he’s totally lost confidence- to use a baseball analogy like Steve Sax or Chuck Knoblauch, or that pitcher from the Cardinals who became an OF (can’t remember his name). I am pulling for Freeman and hope he can do it- but until he shows up consistently I will say he isn’t the answer. This isn’t about 1 bad half.. this is a trend since the midpoint of the season.

  374. TampaRob Says:

    @Joe- I disagreed with you after the Denver game… but, as usual, you were right.

  375. PRBucFan Says:

    Doesn’t seem like your a fan of this team, seems like your a fan of Free. A fan if this team would want what’s best for the team and clearly that’s not Free. Supporting Free at all costs means means your supporting him at the cost of this franchise yet we aren’t the real fans? Rather hypocritical.