Where Are The Biggest Holes?

February 3rd, 2012
Joe wants these guys pushed by a starting-caliber third defensive tackle

The endless debate among Bucs fans this offseason will not be about the value of Barrett Ruud (thank goodness!) but will surround how the Bucs should prioritize free agency and the NFL Draft. Nothing is clear-cut.

Tampa Tribune Bucs beat writer Roy Cummings chimed in early with long look at free agency and offered several takes today. Here’s one:

The situation at cornerback is arguably the most dire. Tampa Bay sees recent draftees E.J. Biggers and Myron Lewis as backups and the potential losses of Ronde Barber to retirement or another team and Aqib Talib to a possible suspension or jail sentence could force the team’s hand.

No one should be surprised then if one of the Bucs’ top targets is Falcons corner Brent Grimes. At 5-foot-10 and 183 pounds, Grimes is much like Barber but, at age 29 when the season starts, still in his prime. Also, signing him would weaken a division rival.

Cummings went on to explore other positions, but not defensive line.

Call Joe crazy, but Joe would applaud an upscale signing at defensive tackle and would rank that pretty high on the list of priorities. Put aside all the love and hopes for the young Bucs D-line for a moment, and it’s clear that the two beasts up the gut, Gerald McCoy and Brian Price, have serious injury concerns. And Bucs fans have seen what’s behind them, which ain’t so so pretty.

Greg Schiano spoke about the critical importance of competition on his roster, and even a novice fan knows depth is important. Given those two factors, Joe sees the Bucs as aching for a veteran that can challenge Price and McCoy. Joe would even overpay for a guy like that. Joe sees a barely average player like Jeff Faine scheduled to make $6 million or so next season, and Joe would much rather invest that cash into the heart of the Bucs’ defense.

The quality of your cornerbacks seems a lot less important if you’re getting gutted and gashed at the line of scrimmage repeatedly.

That’s no knock on Cummings’ take. Barber’s situation is a mystery and injury-prone Talib has his felony trial set for after the start of free agency, and he’s entering the final year of his contract. Joe just doesn’t want to gamble on the current crop of Bucs D-linemen.

81 Responses to “Where Are The Biggest Holes?”

  1. Jerrjenn2 Says:

    After watching the republican debates, and the commercials, I think the biggest “holes” are in politics!!!! LOL

  2. bucfanjeff Says:

    Valid arguments all the way around. When does FA begin? March 8th?

  3. MTM Says:

    The biggest holes are in the OL, DL and coordinators.

  4. bucfanjeff Says:

    You know, FA won’t matter because we won’t have a staff in time to evalute the current roster as it relates to any schemes we may implement.

    The Bucs are REALLY starting to piss me off, and I’m a not usually in the ‘bash’ camp.

  5. raphael Says:

    are from boston …

  6. drbinshore Says:

    Only a matter of minutes before the “yeah..Roy Miller sucks” crowd starts to chime in……..

    Miller had the best stats of all DT’s this season…..except for sacks. However, the Nose Tackle in our defense will face the most double teams and produce the least amount of sacks. Dude flat out worked his tail off and hustled all season……even when other teamates were mailing it in.

    A solid veteren DT would help though…..Frank Okam may show flashes, but does not work as hard or show the consistantcy of play that Miller does.

  7. ClayBURN94 Says:

    Agreed bucfanjeff!! In the words of the great vince Lombardi, “What the hell is goin on out there!?”

  8. TheProsUseAdvoCare Says:

    Grimes would be a great add. He play very well last year and was one of the top CBs this past season. If we snag Grimes it forces ATL to place Robinson’s underachieving self in the 1 spot. That helps us a bunch.

    DT should definitely be looked at. If McCoys biceps injuries were genetic and he can play a 16 game season next year without anymore major injury concerns, great. I’m actually more concerned with Price as his injury is far more career threatening. Kinda hard to stay on the field and give it your all when the structure that holds your top half to your bottom half is faulty. I hope he heals completely this off season. He is needed.

  9. TheProsUseAdvoCare Says:

    I think Miller is fine in back up duties. He is more important as a teacher and role model in the gym than anything else. I won’t hold his poor performance this year completely on him.

  10. jLM Says:

    Seems like they’re waiting to grab some staff from one of the Super Bowl teams??? Only one person interviewed that we know of and that was LB coach position.

  11. gotbbucs Says:

    March 13th

  12. gotbbucs Says:

    I fully expect them to look at Mike Tolbert if he’s available.

  13. jvato24 Says:

    CB and LB … Hands DOwn …

    They need someone who can start Day 1 if needed, and then still draft CB and LB if there in the draft.

    So many teams are stuck on drafting to make this years team better. Once you start drafting to make THE team better, thats when greatness comes but sometimes will have a rough 2-3 years when truly drafting BPA until the team is balanced.

  14. CC Says:

    LOL Raphael. Could not agree more. New York a close second!

  15. Blake Says:

    Grimes and Carlos Rogers in Free Agency, por favor. Then, use the 1st round pick on Blackmon or Richardson.

  16. bucfanjeff Says:

    Maybe Okam IS depth, it could be he wasn’t coached well? Maybe he didn’t have TBA and will now play accordingly.

    @gotbbucs, thanks

  17. bucfanjeff Says:

    I’m really starting to lean Richardson. I, like most, think if you take a RB in the top 5-10 is risky – but I think he may be worth it. I think the FA direction will speak volumes of our intentions in the draft. (I dont’ think Blackmon will fall to 5, or I would say him)

  18. gotbbucs Says:

    Richardson will probably fall out of the top 10 picks all together. I’m guessing he’ll get picked closer to 15-20 than 5-10.

  19. Pete Dutcher Says:

    You know, FA won’t matter because we won’t have a staff in time to evalute the current roster as it relates to any schemes we may implement.

    The Bucs are REALLY starting to piss me off, and I’m a not usually in the ‘bash’ camp.


    We wouldn’t here of any interview unless a decision is made. It would be half the staff is decided without us even knowing yet. They can keep it off the books up until the contracts are signed.

    Not sure if you realize this…but Free Agency starts later this year.

    It amazes me how impatient people are. It’s not like the scouts were fired as well. There are still evaluations going on and I’m sure the scouting department has met with Schiano to determine what he’s looking for.

    Meanwhile, fans are freaking out because we don’t apparently have certain positions filled.

    If a week passes after the Super Bowl is played, and we still have not signed anyone, I think there would be reason to be upset. But the fact that they are waiting points toward a staff member from either the giants or the patriots…unless there are still college bowl games to be played as well.

    I don’t see how all the position in need can be addressed in one year. We only have so many picks, and only the first few are worthwhile. And I think, even if the Bucs are willing to spend in free agency, it’s unrealistic to think they will fill all the positions of need after the draft.

    Heck…we don’t even know who the free agents will be yet. Seeing a list of projected FAs is one thing, but not all of them will be available. I keep wondering why waste energy on hoping certain ones get available until they actually do (if they do)?

  20. Pete Dutcher Says:

    “We wouldn’t here” = “We wouldn’t hear”

  21. Pete Dutcher Says:

    Sheesh…would be = could be

    Just ignore my typos in that mess, lol.

  22. Dave Says:

    I would be fine with another DT signing in case Price and McCoy have injuries, as long as it does not take away money or time from making sure they get a CB and a LB in free agency.
    They also need a LB and CB in the draft.

    I HATE all this talk about Trent Richardson being the pick in round 1. It has to be CB …. unless Blackmon is there, then go with him because I think he will be a top 5 WR in the NFL for years.

    Nothing against Trent, but I would rather get Lamichael James in round 3 or someone like him, to complement Blount.

  23. bucfanjeff Says:

    Good points pete and you’re right, but a new HC, OC and DC will have input on people and shouldn’t rely soley on the word of the scouts. They need to have their own opinions and collaborate. The longer they take to fill the staff, the shorter time they have. It’s not a killer by any means, but it’s not helping.

    I also realize the NFL doesn’t like teams making announcements around the SB, so I’m hoping we hear something M or Tu.

  24. bucfanjeff Says:

    In order to compliment Blount, he first would have to be better than average. His shortcomings in the passing game and his lack of hitting the hole quickly have me concerned. I’m hoping good coaching will change that…..LOTS of unknowns.

  25. stevek Says:

    Concerned about our high draft picks staying healthy?

    Why not pick Richardson, the dude is a 2 time champ and in the best conference in college football.

    Also, he is a ROCK. We won’t have the above average injury concern that we are currently facing with our roster.

  26. Jared Says:

    Alright guys the asst. coached could already be in line. This close to the Super Bowl the NFL probably doesn’t want any type of distractions, which emulates my previous post stating that the Glazers are probably waiting until after the SB. Also they are very sneaky like John Torturro in “Mr. Deeds” they will just sneak up on you with a decision when the contract is nearly or completely done. Don’t expect more than role players to come out of FA guys. Do not get you hopes up for Vincent Jakson or Cortland Finnegan. Think a teir lower than that to ad depth.

  27. mbaby Says:

    we just got Rennie Curran a LB

  28. Bobby Says:

    I would love to get Claiborne at #5 and then get Grimes in FA. We do need another DT for backup and to give McCoy or Price a break. I do think Miller is serviceable as a backup.

    @Jared….John Torturro huh? As long as he doesn’t want to play with Schiano’s feet…

  29. mbaby Says:

    This is Rennie Curran when he met Tim Tebow http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k6tUsNRHdGY&feature=related

  30. Fish Says:

    Joe, nobody’s talking about going after Dlinemen because it would simply be for depth (which is actually better than most positions on the roster). You can tell there were obvious coaching/inexperience issues that were causing those defensive issues.

    Whoever we get at corner, via the draft or free agency, could be our no. 1 CB a year from now. In the current pass-happy NFL, you can’t underestimate the importance of good defensive backs. You were downplaying our corner situation last year, too…

  31. Josh Says:

    Not trying to be negative, but if Schiano is the coach that everyone truly says he is he would already have someone working with Haynesworth getting him back into playing shape. I don’t buy all the bs that nobody can get into the man’s head and turn him around. This article made me realize how many “holes” there really are on defense. Still can’t wait for more news however. I agree that Faine should go. Something about him rubs me the wrong way. Almost like he is an anti-leader. The know-it-all behind the scenes rolling his eyes.?

  32. BKNYfootballhead Says:

    I’m going to dream of Mario Williams being the biggest FA grab in Buc’s history. “Please, please, please” – James Brown

  33. Teddy Says:

    Uhh, maybe thie is a silly question, but don’t we have an overpaid (formerly superstar) veteran D-Lineman on the roster already? And with the need for the Bucs to get up to the salary floor, isn’t it feasible that the Bucs may retain this bozo at his 7-mil pricetag? So, why would they go spend more $$ for another one or replace the one they have (with whom the GM is obviously enamored)?

  34. RastaMon Says:

    it was fired….along with the staff…..

  35. Hawaiian Buc Says:


    First of all, its the offseason right now. You can’t force a player to come in, league rules prohibit it. Secondly, he hasn’t done jack in 3 years. Even if he did have a new-found work ethic, he’s older now and I’m sure he has lost a step or two. I was excited when we brought him in last year, but that guy is D-O-N-E. He had no work ethic for Bellicheat, so he’s not going to have one for anyone. People don’t understand that these guys are not boys, and many (like Haynesworth) are simply not able to be motivated, because they’ve already got their money. I know he was great in the past, but that was a long time ago (by NFL standards). There is no point wasting our time and money on a guy that doesn’t work hard, has a bad attitude, makes way too much money, and most importantly can’t play anymore.

  36. Jared Says:

    We dont need Mario Williams. I am very excited about Clayborn and Bowers. That was ludicris. never mention that FA again please.

  37. K2theSoldier Says:

    Just imagine if we had been intelligent and gone and got Joseph or Rodgers last year….this corner problem wouldn’t be much of a problem right now. I just crack myself up laughing at the clowns who thought E.J. Biggers and Myron Lewis were legitimate depth; oh boy were there a lot of those guys.

    Gimme a nice free agent corner, linebacker or receiver and i’ll be sitting happy. -gasp!- what if we got a free agent corner AND receiver! wouldn’t that just be great! Seems like I’m better off asking for a million bucks than asking for some veteran depth on the team.

    The Commish had a story today about how some cat said we’re gonna pursue Vincent Jackson. That’d be great.

  38. K2theSoldier Says:

    Depth at defensive tackle is far behind getting another good corner, finding a real receiver that can get separation against elite corners, a new physical outside linebacker and depth at running back. D tackle is at the highest a 5th need for the team.

  39. Matthew Says:

    CBs available if they don’t resign before free agency

    Player 2011 Team 2012 Team Type
    Rogers, Carlos 49ers UFA
    Bowman, Zachary Bears UFA
    Jennings, Tim Bears UFA
    Jones, Pacman Bengals UFA
    Jennings, Kelly Bengals UFA
    Barber, Ronde Buccaneers UFA
    Toler, Greg Cardinals RFA
    Carr, Brandon Chiefs UFA
    Lacey, Jacob Colts RFA
    Ball, Alan Cowboys UFA
    Grimes, Brent Falcons UFA
    Thomas, Terrell Giants UFA
    Ross, Aaron Giants UFA
    Mathis, Rashean Jaguars UFA
    Lowery, Dwight Jaguars UFA
    Wright, Eric Lions UFA
    Bush, Jarrett Packers UFA
    Godfrey, Charles Panthers UFA
    Webb, LaDarius Ravens UFA
    Porter, Tracy Saints UFA
    Trufant, Marcus Seahawks UFA
    Lewis, Keenan Steelers RFA
    Allen, Jason Texans UFA
    Finnegan, Cortland Titans UFA
    Sapp, Benny Vikings UFA

  40. Patrick Says:

    Is there seriously people saying Roy Miller is ok as a backup?! The guy flat out sucks! If he was halfway decent, we wouldn’t have the worst run defense for 3 years in a row! Yeah maybe he’s a nice guy. So am I.

    Guys, McCoy and Price have NOT proven they can stay healthy. I’m not saying we should give up on them, but I just think we’d be fools to fully believe they’ll for sure be healthy going into the season and not have any insurance in case they end up injured again!

    Do you guys remember last season? We were discussing the same exact thing around this time last year. McCoy and Price were hurt in 2010, then during the offseason ya’ll kept saying how dangerous our D-line was gonna be because we were going to get them back healthy. Well……look at what happened!

    Sign a very good backup DT in free agency. I’d like to have a little confidence in the DT position going into next season.

  41. Thomas 2.2 Says:

    Patrick – you nailed it buddy! So did Joe.

  42. BKNYfootballhead Says:

    Hey Jared…Mario Williams…Mario Williams…Mario Williams
    It’s ludicrous to rule him out as an outside linebacker in the mold of DeMarcus Ware. Wade Phillips already had him training in the position as of last off-season.
    No, let’s just not even consider a top 5 defensive player in the NFL with boatloads of cap room to spare.

  43. BKNYfootballhead Says:

    I’ll give you it’s a bit unorthodox considering we’ll run a mostly 4-3, but I’d take a freak like that anywhere on the outside standing up over Quincy Black or Geno Hayes.

  44. Thomas 2.2 Says:

    Also, shockingly, Hawaiian’s analysis is on point. Strange evening.

    I too was excited by Albert, he splashed early but then quit caring – obviously. The type of person Albert is will not be tolerated by Schiano – strangely Albert fit the RahRah model perfectly, undisciplined, disorganized, loose, out of position, quitter, poor character . . . ( those were the kind of players rah propped up: like Talib, Winslow, THC Jax)

  45. sensiblebuc Says:

    Where Are The Biggest Holes?

    1) OC
    2) DC
    3) Elite Offensive Playmaker
    4) Elite Defensive Playmaker
    5) Elite Special Teams Playmaker

  46. Willard Says:

    @Patrick……totally agree!!

  47. eric Says:

    How can we have holes three years into the rock’s lasting contender rebuild.

    I wouldnt worry about the coaching staff, rock has been known to switch those coordinators around in preseason and regular season anyhow.

    Hes got this…….

  48. ClayBURN94 Says:

    Commish tweeted it looks like frank cignetti will be bucs OC. Domt know ehere hes getting it from though.

  49. Patrick Says:

    Frank Cignetti……wow!!!! I don’t even know if that’s an upgrade over Olsen.

    What has this guy accomplished? Where has he ever stood out, especially in the NFL?!

  50. eric Says:

    Bucs better keep a lid on that kinda blockbuster announcement. Might take away from Super Bowl coverage.

  51. Capt.Tim 2.2 Says:

    Frank Cignetti!! Frank Cignetti!!
    Wow, we really are sparing no expense to hire the best, most experienced people. This guy musta cost hundreds, if not thousands of dollars.

    Guess pee wee Herman didn’t return the call.

  52. Capt.Tim 2.2 Says:

    K2- yup, weren’t we suggesting that last spring.
    How you feeling about Talib nowadays? Did your opinion change at all?

  53. eric Says:

    I am gonna be on pins and needles all night til this is confirmed.

    Frank Cignetti!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    I hope and pray there aren’t any last minute snags in the negotiations.

    He developed Aaron Brooks!

    Frank Cignetti!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I just can’t believe it could be possible.

  54. Capt.Tim 2.2 Says:

    Eric- lmao!
    Patrick- Cignetti has accomplished one thing. By being willing to work for an unbelievably cheap amount- he got to Coach in the NFL for Tampa!
    Alot of guys would have let Pride stand in the way, but not Cignetti. Or Schiano

  55. Thomas 2.2 Says:

    Let’s shoot for an entire Italian coaching staff!

  56. Thomas 2.2 Says:

    Captain: why weren’t you saying what you just said when RahRah was handed the head coaching job of a NFL franchise for an amount believed to be about 10% of what many coaches make?

  57. eric Says:

    Better stay home tonight, I can only imagine the celebration when news of this leaks out.

    No telling what people will do when their overcome with joy.

  58. eric Says:

    Sorry, had a few earlier. Got my sarcasm level a little out of whack.

  59. Capt.Tim 2.2 Says:

    Thomas- brother, I did. But he came up thru the organization, knew the players. I said he deserved a chance, and I’d support him. Strong words from me, and I stuck by them. I said he deserved a chance. He got it. Failed badly. Time to move on.

    But we aren’t moving on. We hired another New Jersey DB coach, with less NFL experience, and are throwing in Jim way over his head. He might have been a good hire as DC- but not Head coach on a team that just quit on an inexperienced coach

  60. CC Says:

    Don’t look for Butch Davis if Cignetti is OC.Butch fired Cignetti when he took over as Head coach at UNC.

  61. eric Says:

    Cignetti was oc for Fresno State.

    Maybe he can bring dilfer in as QB Coach.

  62. FLBoyInDallas Says:

    The Bucs defensive front four are not the issue and in fact are an emerging strength. The back seven, on the other hand, need to be completely revamped. If Barber retires, that leaves only Foster and Talib as starting caliber players in that back seven. We need at least two LB’s, two safeties and two CB’s who have starter ability. The D-line is the least of our worries.

  63. sensiblebuc Says:

    LOL @ Frank Cignetti being the OC. Even though I’ve seen multiple places mention that the whole Rutgers staff is coming to TB, I’m going to hold my horses until somebody other than my man the Commish corroborate this.

    I could foresee the Rutgers guys coming in a position coaches but Schiano hiring two NFL-level coordinators…still holding out hope for Haley & Butch.

  64. sensiblebuc Says:

    *coming in as position coaches

  65. Willard Says:

    I’m gonna be so pissed if they hire Cignetti, but don’t hire Butch Davis.

    Butch Davis has 2 Super bowl rings to brag about! Great success with the Cowboys and Hurricanes. Lot of experience!!

    Cignetti has done what?

  66. Patrick Says:

    He developed Aaron Brooks?! Wow! Brooks was mediocre at best!

  67. gotbbucs Says:

    I’m guessing that pretty much the entire staff has been assembled and they’re wating until next week to announce it. It’s possible I guess that they might be waiting for somebody from the Giants/Patriots staff, but it’s been long enough and I’m thinking that for the most part the staff is assembled.

  68. Capt.Tim 2.2 Says:

    Look him up on Wiklopedia. Other than 4 years at Fresno state, hes been one year and out at every stop.

    I think I hear the crowds rioting in the streets already! Overjoyed with our first new staff member!

    Well, at least there should be a new crop of Italian restaurants popping up. That’s a good thing.

  69. sensiblebuc Says:

    @ Capt. Tim

    Google PJ Fleck. The Tampa Bay Scarlet Knights son!

  70. BucFan20 Says:

    PJ Fleck resigned after 1 day at NIU. Didn’t he just take the OC job there?

  71. sensiblebuc Says:


    Indeed he has good sir. Wonder why?

  72. gotbbucs Says:

    @ Patrick

    So are you saying that with better coaching Aaron Brooks would have been an elite QB?
    No matter how hard you polish a turd, it’s still a turd.

  73. Macabee Says:

    If Cignetti is named OC, look to see if he is also named as QB coach. My opinion – Cignetti is a placeholder for John McNulty for one year and becomes QB coach only in 2013 if he works out. It may happen soooner if Arizona finds a suitable replacement for McNulty or figures out that he is no longer effective as a lame duck coach.

  74. Patrick Says:


    Not what I said at all. I said that Brooks was mediocre under him. Mediocre for his whole career.

    I’ve heard some people say that people say that Cignetti did well with Brooks. Yeah…..if you consider an 85 rating anything great. Freeman had a 96 with Olsen. LMAO.

    I’m basically saying why we should not hire Cignetti. Really….can’t believe we’d hire him over Jackson or Haley (both experienced and proven in the NFL).

  75. Hawaiian Buc Says:


    In theory I agree with you. I’m pretty sure Haley is probably a better NFL coordinator right now, and quite possibly even in the future. The same would probably apply to many others as well. However, you have to take into consideration that these coaches have to work well together in order to be successful (not just be good coaches). They don’t have to be best friends, but they need to at least be on the same page, and it helps tremendously to have previous experience together. Coaches want to bring in guys they know, trust, and believe in. Bringing in someone like Haley would probably be pretty uncomfortable, at least I would assume. The last thing you want is to constantly have the head coach butting heads with his assistants (who probably believe they know a lot more than this new college coach), especially on a team not loaded with premier talent.

    So while I would love to have us hire some coaches that I have actually heard of (so I can feel a sense of hope), in reality it’s probably not a great idea. There is a reason why coaches at every sport want to bring in their own guys, and that’s not going to change because we want a big name hire. All we can really do is hope (and pray) that we hire the right guys, because I’m damn sure not converting over to the dark side and putting a 2.2 at the end of my name (ahem, Captain Tim)!

  76. Teacherman777 Says:

    Look at the GIANTS!!

    They are in the Superbowl again because they have the deepest D-Line in the league. They go 4 deep at END and 4 deep at TACKLE. They always invest high draft picks for their line and look at their success!!

    Joe is totally right here. We were horrid at DT this year. It’s why we were the worst D in the NFL.

    We must sign TWO DT’s in the offseason. Keep Roy Miller as number 5. He can be the emergency backup.

    And thanks Joe for mentioning Brent Grimes. He is AWESOME!!

    Now who do we draft to join Mason???

  77. eric Says:

    did we sign cignetti?

    ive been up all night.

  78. Bobby Says:

    I disagree about DT being our biggest need. First of all, our biggest need is a good DC. After that our biggest need is LB’s who can shed blocks and get to the ball. After that our biggest need is DB’s who can actually tackle and not just close their eyes and lunge at the ball carrier. After that we need depth at DT. RB’s get to the second level all the time but the difference is they are usually met by LB’s for a short gain. On our team they would get to the second level, break tackles and run through DB’s and score. I’m not even concerned about McCoy. His injuries rarely if ever reoccur because the nature of bicep repair surgery makes the biceps stronger than before. The high ankle sprain was something that when you look at it it’s amazing it wasn’t a break. He managed to pull his foot out but I thought that was going to require surgery. McCoy will be fine. Price on the other hand is a question mark. That surgery was experimental and even though it held up last year for the most part, you just never know when that is going to give. IF he can stay healthy I look for him to be a beast this year with an off season to get healthy and OTA’s and mini-camp, etc. Yes, Miller is a decent backup. Say what you want about Miller, a good defensive scheme will make everyone appear better. You can’t overstate coaching enough. The 49’rs that we beat in ’10 21-0 came back and stomped a mud hole in our butts last year. How much of that do you think was attributed to a new coaching staff and different schemes?? They certainly didn’t go out and bring in half a dozen pro bowl FA’s to turn things around.
    We really don’t know what we have talent wise and we won’t know until this new staff gets ahold of them and starts to weed out the ones who really don’t want to compete. Hell, Quincy Black might turn out to be a pro bowler with the right coaching and the right scheme….we just don’t know. Time will tell.

  79. adam from ny Says:

    they really should have added daute robinson when he was available….big mistake….he is a solid player….and yes, snag grimes…the guy is very good….not just good…very good….and weaken the falcons secondary in the process……and of course in the mid rounds dom has got to find a way to work some magic and grab a corner with some real nfl potential that possibly slipped for some odd reason in the draft…

    dam – we have so many problems on this team – let’s just hope things get better

    adam from ny

  80. adam from ny Says:


  81. adam from ny Says:

    i heard rah used to say to the players at road games at halftime:

    “win this game boys, and we all get hoes tonight!”

    not a good example of what to play hard for!

    adam from ny