Report: Butch Davis Doesn’t Want To Coach
February 14th, 2012
That guy patrolling Bucs practices this year who won’t talk to any players but furiously takes notes and overtly whispers in coaches’ ears, that’s going to be Butch Davis.
Per Bucs beat writer Rick Stroud, rockstar general manager Mark Dominik says new special assistant Davis doesn’t want to coach, only advise and be an “extra set of eyes.” (Click through above to read the whole story.)
Joe won’t hide that this all seems a little bizarre, especially considering the lingering multimillion dollar severance payouts from the University of North Carolina that Davis won’t receive if he “coaches” the Bucs.
Davis is a career football coach. So it’s hard for Joe to believe he would be content to analyze every inch of OTAs and sweat his ass off through training camp and not step in to mold young men.
Sure it’s all very plausible that Davis doesn’t want the responsibility and demands of a coaching title, but color Joe skeptical, no matter who the Bucs name as defensive coordinator.
February 14th, 2012 at 7:56 pm
More bullcrap from Dominik. Yeah, a life long coach in the prime of his coaching career doesn’t wanna coach? LOL, Dominik takes us for fools.
February 14th, 2012 at 7:57 pm
If we ever hire a defensive coordinator…
February 14th, 2012 at 8:05 pm
SMH.
At this point I shouldn’t be amazed at the circus down at OBP — but here I am with a quizzical look on my face. Pay the man please. Stop the charade.
I’m also not under any illusion that we’re going to sign any big name FAs. Stanford Routt can be had and there’s no word that we are even interested in shoring up one of our weaknesses.
Different toilet. Same crap.
February 14th, 2012 at 8:06 pm
Bingo. This is what I’ve been saying all along, it’s not about the money, Butch wants his UNC severance for the principal of the matter. From the outside looking in, there seems to be bad blood between Butch and UNC. I’m guessing Butch thinks he was unjustly fired for what essentially boiled down to improprieties by players and agents and wants to collect every last cent of his severance.
In my eyes, there’s nothing unbelievable about this story at all really.
Jim Tressel worked for the colts as their instant reply Coordinator, so I don’t see why an advisory/consulting role is so unreal, particularly for someone who spent long stretches away from the sidelines.
February 14th, 2012 at 8:07 pm
Sileo: We going to spend some money in free agency?
Quarles: Yeah, I hope so.
LMAO!
February 14th, 2012 at 8:09 pm
I don’t blame the guy for wanting a way around the system to ensure he gets paid from UNC. In the same situation, I would probably do the exact same thing, and I suspect the same for many of us on this board. I do, however, wish they would just admit it or say nothing at all. I know BS when I hear it, and this is complete BS. Anybody think for one second that as soon as his contract with UNC is up he won’t be “coaching” somewhere? Of course he will. Just please stop playing us all for idiots. There’s a difference between being PC and just being dishonest.
February 14th, 2012 at 8:12 pm
Click through the article and read about his responsibilities. They’re clearly defined and make sense to me that Schiano would want someone in such a role.
February 14th, 2012 at 8:19 pm
“Dominik outlined those duties for Davis to include, but not be limited, to attending offensive, defensive and special teams meetings, evaluating player personnel on the roster and for free agency and the NFL draft. He also said Davis will observe practice and could have some role in the coach’s box on game days.”
If this is the case then he’s practically worthless. From everything I’ve read, his strengths are situational, in-game coaching, coordinating a defense and coaching good fundamentals. His weakness (and the reason he got fired in Cleveland) was his personnel evaluation skills or lack thereof.
Somebody is going to have to sell me on why this is a good move.
February 14th, 2012 at 8:21 pm
Butch Davis only has the desire to coordinate, assist, confer, but not coach.
This is never going to fly. I’d stop paying Butch immediately and make Butch defend this position in court. Butch is on the staff, he is a coach by definition, no matter if he talks to players or not.
But Joe – Is there any credence to UNC *wanting* to pay Butch because as long as they pay, he can’t discuss whatever happened at UNC?
February 14th, 2012 at 8:21 pm
*facepalm*
February 14th, 2012 at 8:28 pm
Hey, did you all know that the world is coming to an end? It’s true. And it’s all because of this.
February 14th, 2012 at 8:32 pm
This is a win-win for Butch & Schiano. Butch can get his $$ without the pressure/responsibilities as a coach, and Schiano can make his debut as an NFL Head Coach with the “assistance” of someone who’s been there/done that.
Oh, and let the players play & practice with their smartphones on them. So Butch can IM them with some tips. “Hey Geno! WTF was that you POS?! SMH.”
February 14th, 2012 at 8:46 pm
So everyone desperately wants NFL experience on the coaching staff and then throws a fit when we bring in significant NFL experience in a consulting/advisory role. Makes no sense.
February 14th, 2012 at 8:54 pm
This is just ridiculous. You buy him out and make him the DC.
February 14th, 2012 at 8:59 pm
Even consultants talk to players from time to time. Something is fishy.
That said, we have him and his experience and whatever happens or doesn’t happen with UNC means nothing, absolutely nothing, to us.
February 14th, 2012 at 9:09 pm
So, in summary, everyone feels that Butch is not being truthful. So what! If it were me, I would milk the crap out of UNC. Make me be the fall guy? F U
February 14th, 2012 at 9:10 pm
Not buying it Dom. I love the addition of Butch, but can’t see UNC sharing my feelings. Gonna be a tough sell for them. I think this could become an issue.
February 14th, 2012 at 9:20 pm
It should be obvious to everyone by now that Schiano has hired two consiglieres to counsel, consult, and advise. While I agree that the Davis contract could have been handled differently, I could not be happier with what the Bucs have done! These positions were created to help Schiano transition successfully to the NFL and restore the Bucs to a place of respectability in the NFL. These guys possess years of senior football knowledge and are too valuable to spend their time in the trenches day-to-day teaching players how to tackle or catch the ball.
Davis as a consultant on all things football and Jimmy Raye II as a consultant on offense know more about football and how to build a team than anybody I could think of. I have visions of those stalwart Miami defenses of yore and that take-no-prisoners defense at UNC led by Robert Quinn and Marvin Austin dancing in my head right now.
They should have been called consultants to Dominik because they will do for this team what Dominik has not done very well and that’s pick talent – these guys know horseflesh and have proven they can select and develop winners. We will no longer try to turn TEs into FBs. You are going to see guys born and bred to play certain positions and play them well.
From all that I have heard, Mike Sullivan is an excellent OC hire and will pump new life into an offense that was never on the field until the 3rd quarter. I have every reason to believe that we are also going to hire an excellent DC that will follow the blueprint laid out by Davis and adhere to the schemes and fundamentals Davis has prescribed.
Schoolboys are out – wily experienced old codgers soaked in years of football know how are in! Just what Dominik, Schiano, and this talented but young football team needs.
To say I’m excited understates the enthusiasm I feel going forward. I would never discourage discourse, even discordant discourse. But if all of this falls into place as I expect it will, we will have a lot more things to shout about than things to gripe about. I’m fully on board anxiously waiting to hear the official press conference to announce the entire coaching staff!
February 14th, 2012 at 10:07 pm
Take the i-pads away and teach old school in your face. The previous coaching staff tried the i-pad coaching approach and the players were players playing Donky Kong.
February 14th, 2012 at 10:12 pm
Now how, pray tell, am I going to explain that with a straight face, to the guys in the office who are fans of other teams?
That is just plain embarrassing. To everyone. To the fans, to the coaches, to Davis (remember, he’s *not* a coach, to the players.
I honestly do not trust the Glazers. If the team is active in free agency, maybe it will make a difference, but, this just stinks of Glazer.
Pay the man.
February 14th, 2012 at 10:25 pm
I’m not being sarcastic, this is borderline brilliant when you think of the upcoming organization flowchart
February 14th, 2012 at 10:38 pm
Agree 100% Macabee
February 14th, 2012 at 10:42 pm
Call Herm Edwards, make him an offer, get him down here. We can keep the Tampa 2 and he won’t put up with any bs.
February 14th, 2012 at 10:48 pm
Stop being pathetic winers. Let’s see what happens in free agency.
February 14th, 2012 at 10:56 pm
@ Patrick
Herm Edward’s phone hasn’t rung because of a coaching job since he got fired, and rightfully so. He and Raheem are essentially the same person.
February 14th, 2012 at 11:02 pm
i said it before Davis is only here to help groom the coaching staff. The owners wanted to stay on the path of hiring and allowing to develop coaches WITH the team. Young and up coming coaches. So they went out and allowed 2 very veteran coach types to come in and assist in molding this team into a winning brand. Low risk HIGH reward
It’s nothing more than an insurance policy. They know Rayne and Davis could run this team alone if they wanted too. But why not allow them to turn the coaches (you want for the future) into the same high caliber NFL coaches?
The wealth of knowledge alone, is good enough reason for me to be ok with them being in their new roles.
Coach the Coaches and let the young guys build chemistry and grow with the young team.
February 14th, 2012 at 11:04 pm
No thanks to Herm. It all seems very peculiar to me that no D Coord has been named. I would have bet before reading this that UNC and the Bucs were settling a buyout of UNC’s obligation.
February 14th, 2012 at 11:05 pm
the guy doesnt wanna coach?
then tell him to stay home and get a dc with some fire in his belly. he aint worth the trouble.
butch hasnt done squat in 20 years anyhow. his browns teams sucked and unc was mediocre at best. he was totally out of coaching for four years after the browns. not exactly a hot commodity. he also seems to leave everywhere under some controversey
look at the talent he had at dallas toó. anybody could coach those guys.
this adviser nonsense is a bunch of garbage imo
February 14th, 2012 at 11:08 pm
And for the record. The whole “Coaching” thing is a bit skewed. As long as he is not “directly” coaching players or Calling the plays on Sunday. He is considered to “NOT” be coaching.
Although he can very well assist and Building a Scheme, assist in planning work out’s and practices, Giving suggestions to the respective coord/coach, Analyze Film and Studies, Give opinions on both, and give his opinion on plays to be called.
In short his finger will be in the entire cookie jar without actually touching any cookies.
But basically i believe he is just coaching the coaches and making sure they are doing the correct things for the correct scheme they implementing.
February 14th, 2012 at 11:11 pm
@eric
That comment is smoke and mirrors. Candy for the UNC ears. We all know Davis was brought in for a purpose. They will handle all that behind closed doors.
As for what they will show and tell the public, he is basically a ghost 🙂
Davis is a coach down to his soul, i guarantee he still wants to continue doing so. But technically they are not allowed to say such a thing.
February 14th, 2012 at 11:18 pm
I don’t see how it could possibly hurt to have an extra set of eyes breaking down opponents film and helping to build game plans throughout the week. What is there to bitch about?
UNC made him the fall guy so he’s going to make them honor their contract. So what. The man has a ton of experience in football, and yes, even bad experiences like the Cleveland Browns job probably taught him more than being a staffer at Dallas. Get over it.
February 14th, 2012 at 11:19 pm
why smokey and mirrors?
davis is owed 1.5 million for three years.
how much is a dc salary? at least 350k a year right?
so were going through this nonsense to save about 400k over three years?
they pay mccoy more than that for one game.
and were 60 million under the cap!
either allow the man to coach or if he doesnt wanna send him home.
February 14th, 2012 at 11:20 pm
Only in Tampa folks! Only in Tampa…
February 14th, 2012 at 11:22 pm
No Thank You to Herm Edwards.
My personal Favorite would still be Rich Biscaccia. Even more so now with Schaino and Sullivan. I believe he would fit in perfectly. Especially with the new found belief/mantra of the team. Tho, I feel that bridge is burned beyond repair.
I believe it will be some name from far left field that after a day we will all agree it doesn’t seem so bad. Glazers have been spot on this year with the rebuilding of Coaches. At this point i am giving the benefit of the doubt on the DC. Good things come to those who wait.
February 14th, 2012 at 11:22 pm
We can now cue Yakity Sax not only on the field but also at One Buc Cellar…
February 14th, 2012 at 11:24 pm
Dom says Bucs will be active in free agency per PFT. We shall see. Believe when I see it.
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/02/14/bucs-roll-over-salary-cap-space-ready-to-spend/
February 14th, 2012 at 11:25 pm
I don’t think Davis is a long term answer. Maybe 3+ years. It’s obvious the REAL coaches they want to put together. They want together for a LONG LONG time.
It’s still the original plan. I just explained that part. Young coaches to grow with the young Team.
But the kicker is they already failed with that formula once with Raheem and Co. So this time they brought in the KNOWLEDGE and EXPERIENCE part to assist the up and comers.
February 14th, 2012 at 11:28 pm
He can still be a huge asset without actually doing the coaching part. He can study and analyze film, sit in on meetings, give his opinion to the coaches on things he sees, hell even give his opinion on what plays to call. It’s a mentor for the coaches not the players.
February 14th, 2012 at 11:31 pm
IMHO, Tampa should have just bought out his contract, and stop this baloney.
If I were UNC, I would suspend his payments, and Sue Butch Davis.
If it does go to litigation, I think the UNC will prevail.
Tampa will have a very weak case, IMHO.
February 14th, 2012 at 11:40 pm
we need a dang top notch defensive coordinator that knows what hes doing and doesnt need hand holding from butch davis or anyone else.
we just went through the on the job training disaster.
February 14th, 2012 at 11:41 pm
@ Appel Roof
Why would you actually want this to blow up in the face of the Bucs organization? That’s a pretty stupid thing to wish for.
Have any of you ever thought that maybe, just maybe, he just wants to finish out his years as a consultant rather than a hands on coach? He’s been in the coaching grind for a long time, maybe he and his family decided that he should just try to stay in the background from now on. There is absolutely nothing wrong with that.
February 14th, 2012 at 11:57 pm
we dont need a background guy. we need a frontground guy that knows what hes doing!
currently all we got on the defensive side are a couple of guys from rutgers!
why is davis burned out? he had a four year break before he took unc job.
kiffins still swinging at 72!
February 15th, 2012 at 12:07 am
@apple You had me until suing Butch. This crap with everyone suing everyone is ridiculous. I doubt you would be so quick to drop the litigation bomb if you were dealing with a lawsuit… I better stop now.
P.S. UNC would easily lose the case and the only one benefiting would be the attorneys.
February 15th, 2012 at 12:09 am
@Apple Roof
no training camp has happened yet, let alone a game, so its ridiculous to say they should stop paying him and sue. The buyout states that he can’t coach but not that he can’t work in football.
February 15th, 2012 at 12:15 am
And I’m sure UNC REALLY wants to drag this through court so all the details of the violations are brought to public………..they want this to go away asap and won’t fight this one bit imo.
February 15th, 2012 at 12:23 am
i thought davis wanted to keep his head coaching job at unc and in fact signed an extensión to do so.
now suddenly the man doesnt wanna coach!
makes perfect sense!
February 15th, 2012 at 12:33 am
Eric…”so were going through this nonsense to save about 400k over three years?”
The problem here is the “we”, you are not spending a dime on Butch. You do not no the behind the scenes stuff either. I am no lawyer like you claim, but I used to negotiate contracts with fortune 500 companies right before both sides lawyers changed the wording. You are simply trying to fire people up at this point. The Bucs did go with “on the job training” last time, and they are going young again….why not bring in “senior councile” for the new guys? My business development days showed me that you never know what the ink says, unless you are reading it…your “lawyer” self should know the same.
February 15th, 2012 at 12:41 am
your right mcbuc i dont “no” about “senior counciles ”
u nailed me.
people oughta be pissed over this cause its rediculous.
February 15th, 2012 at 12:53 am
I don’t think it’s a Glazer issue. I think Davis wants to get every last cent out of UNC. I think closer to camp UNC will make an offer to get Davis off the payroll. In the meantime, it’s a game of chicken. I believe UNC will blink first.
February 15th, 2012 at 1:38 am
How this is getting the fans all riled up is “rediculous”….
February 15th, 2012 at 2:03 am
My god please stop misspelling that word!!! LOL
February 15th, 2012 at 2:19 am
It sounds like he will be doing Dominik’s job lol. I would definitely say it is a great hire. Plus I am really digging the direction the Bucs have taken with assembling a coaching staff. After all these moves have been made, it really shows how terrible Raheem’s coaching staff was and most likely lead to his demise. I have to say I am very optimistic about the Bucs future going forward, especially if they live up to their word and dig into free agency. Can’t wait!
February 15th, 2012 at 7:45 am
rediculous
February 15th, 2012 at 9:18 am
@ Joe who is this in the photo? It sure don’t look like special assistant non-coaching Davis.
Will Davis get the desire to coach again after his severance pay is over? The owners/gm are walking on thin ice if you ask me, we already don’t pay our assistant coaches any severance pay. Now we are to have the “special assistant” get paid from the bucs and get his severence pay from his last Coaching job. What will the staff think about, when he is offering his advice on how to run things. If he is trying to get every dime from UNC because he has a yardon about getting fired. He might cause other potential good coaching canidates to seek better offers. Not saying that it will, but how many times has this situation came up with other coaches in the NFL & college?
It looks from afar like we are setting ourselves up for future coaches pay issues down the road.
February 15th, 2012 at 9:24 am
The funny thing about the Law is: it is written in English, you are reading it and it is clearly understandable, but the attorneys have mangled it, tangled it and changed the entire thing to Portuguese Slang. Only the lawyers win, and they always win, all of them. And the Judges are worse. Stop electing Lawyers and start electing Accountants
I’m still reserving judgement for the most part on the new Dominick 2.2 regime. We’ll see how it plays out and if they are serious about winning or if they are going to continue their miserly ways. Either way, they have to win, and win now. This waiting another 2-3 years to rebuild, fire, rehire and then build again, just isn’t going to cut it. The Bucs are on very thin ice right now with the fan base, and if they start out losing it is going to get very ugly.
February 15th, 2012 at 9:28 am
……..And the Bucs are so bad, that it has rubbed off on the Lightning now. The Rays need to stay out of town as long as possible, and have a Preacher, a Priest, and a Rabbi all bless the Trop and expel these demons from the Bay Area.
February 15th, 2012 at 9:31 am
LOL! This has to be the most entertaining site in all of football. It’s amazing that people actually think the Bucs are being cheap by not buying out Butch Davis’ contract and that Dominik is lieing when he says they would. Do you not think Davis reads these things??? If the issue was that Davis wanted the Bucs to buy out his NC contract and they refused but then Dominik told Stroud that they would…don’t ya think that might cause a problem with Butch?? Let’s just try to be realistic for a minute if that’s possible for some of you. My feeling is that Davis has a vendetta for NC and wants to get paid. I don’t think it’s any more complicated than that. I’m happy to have him with the Bucs in whatever capacity he’s willing to work. The man is brilliant at evaluating talent if nothing else. Come draft time he will be a huge assett, especially in the late rounds. Same thing in FA. I think we are light years ahead of our prior coaching staff and and we don’t even have a DC yet. Just relax and let things play out.
“If he doesn’t want to coach just send him home and get someone who does” LOL! Now that one made me laugh the hardest. HAHAHAHAHAH!
February 15th, 2012 at 10:07 am
Well, considering the state of the Buccaneers of late, it’s not surprising some fans are concerned we still don’t have a DC.
I know they’re working on it but………….only at One Buc man, only at One Buc do these weird things keep happening……….it seems.
February 15th, 2012 at 10:21 am
It’s not so much about how quickly they get him, it’s WHo they get. I’d rather they take their time and get the right guy. I’m not too concerned about defense or the combine, etc. with Schiano and Davis already in place. He has a good guy in Sullivan as OC and I would rather that they take their time and get another quality guy as DC instead of just fitting it into a time frame. Do you honestly think they aren’t aware of the time frame involved here?? Do you people really believe the crap you post on here about the front office being clueless and you are the only ones who realize the sense of urgency?? Can you be that foolish?
February 15th, 2012 at 7:28 pm
herm edwards would be a better dc than who ever they bring end,talk to great bucs like 47 55 99 20.