Bucs Sniffing Shoop
February 8th, 2012
- “Jimminy Christmas! Get the fu*k out of my damn coaching tree. Shoop, man, I love that guy. He and Greezy used to work their asses off.”
Chucky’s old QB coach John Shoop (2004), a former Bears offensive coordinator (2001-2003), is the latest name to swirl around the Bucs and their many coaching vacancies.
Alex Marvez at FOXSports.com — does this guy have One Buc bugged? — recently Twittered that Shoop is interviewing with the Bucs today for the offensive coordinator gig.
At least Shoop lived and breathed quality NFL football with the Bears back in 2001, when Chicago went 13-3 with Jim Miller and Shane Matthews as QBs before losing to Philadelphia in the playoffs. Coaching under Dick Jauron, Joe suspects Shoop was no puppet for his defensive head coach. Shoop was fired after the Bears went 7-9 in 2003, when they tried to revive Kordell Stewart’s career — bad idea.
Does this mean Ron Turner is a no-go? Joe sure hopes so.
Hopefully Shoop believes the Benn’d around play is something that should only be seen at Mons Venus.
February 8th, 2012 at 12:31 pm
John Shoop was also Butch Davis’ guy at UNC.
February 8th, 2012 at 12:32 pm
Yeah, would he be comfortable working with Davis? I’d like to think so.
What’s with all the former Bears OC’s?
February 8th, 2012 at 12:32 pm
I can live w/Shoop
February 8th, 2012 at 12:34 pm
“Hopefully Shoop believes the Benn’d around play is something that should only be seen at Mons Venus.”
And now Joe owes me a new monitor as I just spit water all over mine. lmao
Good stuff.
February 8th, 2012 at 12:35 pm
Although this could also just be Shoop’s agent trying to generate some buzz.
February 8th, 2012 at 12:35 pm
Joe, that is a great one liner.
February 8th, 2012 at 12:37 pm
gotta be better than Turner.
Interesting connection to Butch Davis.
Might not slit my wrists if it happens.
February 8th, 2012 at 12:39 pm
True .. If Davis comes with him .. Maybe only slit one of them
February 8th, 2012 at 12:40 pm
I never missed Gruden more than right now.
February 8th, 2012 at 12:41 pm
One question. Why are we still interviewing?
February 8th, 2012 at 12:48 pm
Throw some money at this guy and let’s be done with it.
February 8th, 2012 at 12:50 pm
Funny thing is that Gruden is the best choice out there for us. Lmao.
Shouldve just kept him here and let him finish out his contract. We didn’t accomplish anything in the last 3 years anyway.
February 8th, 2012 at 12:52 pm
Dang Joe, i know this has become a joke, but the old Benn’d around again. I cant wait until Benn takes a reverse one day to the house. Run rejus run.
February 8th, 2012 at 12:53 pm
“Jimminy Christmas! Get the fu*k out of my damn coaching tree. Shoop, man, I love that guy. He and Greezy used to work their asses off.”
LMAO
February 8th, 2012 at 12:57 pm
Maybe a Davis and Shoop reunion???
February 8th, 2012 at 1:01 pm
Jimmy Raye ll hired as offensive assistant.
February 8th, 2012 at 1:03 pm
From Salt n Peppa
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February 8th, 2012 at 1:06 pm
Larry Asante just tweeting saying that Hafley will be the ASSISTANT DBs coach. Not the head guy.
Hooray!
February 8th, 2012 at 1:07 pm
I get more enjoyment reading about the Rays farm system than another Bucs interview story. The entire process has been a joke. At this point it’s Christmas Eve, the stores close in 5 minutes, and you are left with the scraps.
February 8th, 2012 at 1:10 pm
Maybe we can Salt N Peppa to sing at our pre-game .. kinda like our own Hank Williams JR
February 8th, 2012 at 1:10 pm
Some of us are fretting over the coaching staff that is going to take us to the SuperBowl. Relax guys, 50% of the 2012 coaching staff will likely turn over next year when unavailable candidates become available, like McNulty and McAdoo. That is why the Bucs have been adamant about offering 1 year contracts with a 1 year option.
Now about that SuperBowl trip! We need to adjust our expectations for a first-time NFL coach; a less-than-spectacular coaching staff; an extremely young team with questionable talent that just came off of a non-competitive 10 game losing streak; playing the difficult NFC-South, the ever dangerous NFC-East, and the no-pushover AFC-West.
I’m calling the 2012 season a right-the-ship season where I will be totally okay if we win 4-6 games and is competitive in the rest. We will improve the team and we will improve the coaching staff.
If I’m going to agonize over an asst. coach, it would be the DC. Make no mistake, the OC and QB coach is important. But I think where Schiano is likely to make the biggest improvement is with the defense. Now having said that, don’t go throwing Josh Freeman under the bus if he doesn’t make the Pro Bowl. If he can regain his confidence and his form from 2010, he gets back on the franchise career path.
Patience, growth, and progress should be the mantras for 2012. Don’t worry too much about the names that are being thrown around in this first round of asst. coaches. Some may work out and some may not. Whoever they pick may end up being merely rest stops on that long and arduous highway to the SuperBowl!
February 8th, 2012 at 1:10 pm
and Shoop can do the Get DOWN n DIRTY Dance … wow
February 8th, 2012 at 1:26 pm
@Macabee
“Patience, growth, and progress”
I think we’ve had enough patience since January 2009. Time to set the standards higher.
We heard growth and progress constantly from ’09-’11 and in the end it turned out to be BS.
It’s either you win or you don’t. Make the playoffs otherwise the season is a failure.
We already had 3 drafts and have invested a crapload into the D line. No
excuse for another 4 or 5 win season.
They must have kept the magnificent “rockstar” for a reason right? We have to have some talent on this team.
Not saying fire Schiano if he has a disappointing first year, just saying that PLAYOFFS need to be our goal, not “progress”/5 or 6 win season.
February 8th, 2012 at 1:26 pm
Best resume I’ve seen so far. His relationship with Butch Davis makes him interesting!
http://www.tarheelblue.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/shoop_john00.html
February 8th, 2012 at 1:38 pm
You’re right Patrick. I think it’s perfectly reasonable to assume that with a new coach and all new assistants, coordinators, etc. that we’ll be going to the Superbowl this year. That way when it doesn’t happen we have the right to be all negative and bitch after every game we lose because damn it…we should have won our division!!! Let everyone else be patient…I want results and I want them NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
February 8th, 2012 at 1:44 pm
Marvez is also saying that the Bucs hired Jimmy Raye II as offensive coaching assistant. He was OC for the 49s under Singletary, and used to coach the Raiders and Jets. This guy is really old school.
http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/Tampa-Bay-Buccaneers-coaching-search-for-offensive-coordinator-020812
February 8th, 2012 at 1:44 pm
Bobby … hate to pee on your parade. Even Vince Lombardi couldnt get your results right NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! … because well dude … Football season is over.
February 8th, 2012 at 1:51 pm
You obviously didn’t read my post. I said we should set our standards higher and really……is it unrealistic to want more than 5-6 wins next year? Sad how far this organization and expectations have sunk. We have some talent and with likliehood of us finally being active in free agency, there’s no excuse why we can’t have a successful season this year.
Oh and mention where I said we should expect a Super bowl next year or else. Go ahead, I’m waiting.
February 8th, 2012 at 1:52 pm
BucFan South Tampa:
LOL
February 8th, 2012 at 1:53 pm
@jvato
Think you may have missed Bobby’s point.
February 8th, 2012 at 1:54 pm
Isn’t Shoop a West Coast Offense guy? That doesn’t seem to fit into “the long shots down the field” mentality Coach Schiano promised us. Not saying I dislike the guy. Just saying it doesn’t match up.
February 8th, 2012 at 2:05 pm
I’m ok with Jimmy Raye as an Asst, just not calling plays. He has a ton of NFL experience. TB needs guys like this around. Just not calling plays.
February 8th, 2012 at 2:07 pm
Shoop really as OC?? I doubt it? I hope this is some type of joke because our qb’s sucked in 2004 when he was with gruden. In my opinion this guy will be worse then Ron Turner honestly.
Joe, His offensive ranks with the Bears and his last oc gig with the raiders – 26,29, 28, 32. Sounds pretty terrible to me. Ron Turner at least had some offenses that were in the middle of the pack with the bears. And were actually quite good for being in the windy city. Honestly I don’t get your beef with Turner other then his illinois struggles. Illinois still sucks right now. But in the nfl his resume is much better then Shoop’s.
February 8th, 2012 at 2:07 pm
Jimmy Raye that was OC here under Bennett?
February 8th, 2012 at 2:10 pm
Ummmm guys, Jimmy Raye II was the OC for the Bucs in the 80’s. I am not thrilled by this if it is true.
February 8th, 2012 at 2:15 pm
Hugh Jackson had a top ten offense in Oakland in 2010 as OC, and also as head coach in 2011.
Plus he likes the vertical pasing game with strong rushing attack.
Why not him?
February 8th, 2012 at 2:16 pm
@Macabee, “Relax guys, 50% of the 2012 coaching staff will likely turn over next year when unavailable candidates become available, like McNulty and McAdoo.”
Do you really think it’s wise to switch OC again next year? Uh, no. Let’s just make all our young talent basket cases.
February 8th, 2012 at 2:17 pm
Anything Gruden or Olsen or dink and dunk related is forbidden.
February 8th, 2012 at 2:18 pm
Raye has been coaching in the NFL since 1977. If he isn’t calling plays, what is wrong with him on the staff? Look at all the positions he has coached, and teams he has been with. If he had nothing to offer, I can’t believe he would keep getting picked up by teams.
I agree about him not being OC, but, as an assistant? Why not? We have to have some NFL guys along with the college coaches.
February 8th, 2012 at 2:19 pm
I swear to God if someone brings up Hue Jackson again I’ll scream.
February 8th, 2012 at 2:20 pm
@eric, “Hugh Jackson…Why not him?”
Instability, because he will leave for a HC job within a year, maybe 2.
Otherwise, I like him.
February 8th, 2012 at 2:22 pm
What about some like Hue Jackson ??!!
February 8th, 2012 at 2:22 pm
Jimmy Raye??????????????????????????????
Back to back 2-14 when he was here!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Consult about what?
February 8th, 2012 at 2:23 pm
Bucfanjeff, No, not a good idea, but 6-9 head coaches are changed every year – some after just one year.
February 8th, 2012 at 2:24 pm
@stimpy
dude hilarious
February 8th, 2012 at 2:26 pm
Coaches come and go all the time, nobody else worries about it. If Spags does well in NO somebody will hire him. Same with Haley in Pittsburgh.
Personally id like to have a coach others would want! That means he will have done well and put us in the playoffs or something. God we wouldn’t want that!!!!!!!!!!!
What kind of mentality is this?
February 8th, 2012 at 2:30 pm
Billy Ray Valentine??
February 8th, 2012 at 2:33 pm
Billy Ray Cyrus???
February 8th, 2012 at 2:33 pm
Is it too much to ask for the Bucs to hire an offensive coordinator who has had some success somewhere other than one fluke year in college?
Joe is anxiously awaiting a Kurt Kittner acquisition.
February 8th, 2012 at 2:34 pm
Billy Bob Thorton. At least he won a championship.
February 8th, 2012 at 2:38 pm
No, Billy Bob lost.
February 8th, 2012 at 2:40 pm
Why not Jim Zorn? It looks like the KC Chiefs are going to let him walk away per PFT a few minutes ago.
February 8th, 2012 at 2:41 pm
@jvato24 & @ Patrick….it was sarcasm OK??? I predict we will go 9-7 next year. If we don’t I won’t be screaming as long as we’re competitive.
February 8th, 2012 at 2:48 pm
Bobby ..
Thats my bad … with some posts over the last few weeks I have the lost the ability to differentiate between who is being totally sarcastic and who is serious.
February 8th, 2012 at 2:50 pm
Zorn is not a bad option at all IMO.
February 8th, 2012 at 2:54 pm
John Davis at Clearwater Central Catholic is a better option than Ron Turner.
February 8th, 2012 at 2:59 pm
Jim Zorn is a WCO guy, why would anyone want him here?
February 8th, 2012 at 3:17 pm
Joe, ? – “John Davis at Clearwater Central Catholic is a better option than Ron Turner.”
I said Zorn, not Turner. I dont’ want Turner.
February 8th, 2012 at 3:17 pm
bubba ray dudley?
no sunday tickey next year for me
February 8th, 2012 at 3:18 pm
Patrick/jvato/Bobby, There was no sarcasm in my opinion. I meant it and will stand by my 6-10 prediction. You can’t complain about the coaching staff, ignore next years schedule, expect the Glazers to make a Philly dream team plunge into free agency, decry the performance of last years team without some acknowledgment of the difficulty of making the playoffs this year. Perhaps you guys see some similarity with the 49ers – I don’t.
While I admire your enthusiasm, I’ve been around long enough to know that you can’t jump a canyon in two quantum leaps. You have every right to expect this team to perform better, but one could argue that they are farther behind now than when they started to rebuild in 2009. The results have not been achieved – blame who you want!
Forgive me for trying to be a realist and I have no hesitation to hope that I am wrong and you guys are right!
February 8th, 2012 at 3:24 pm
Pretty sure this is why the Bucs didn’t sign any decent free agents last year. We lost out on them all… well, other than the punter.
February 8th, 2012 at 3:33 pm
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/02/08/schiano-not-shy-about-interest-in-shoop-for-offensive-coordinator/
Look at the comments of all Bears fans under that article. Looks like Shoop based on his time from Chicago was one of the worst OCs ever in the last decade. Give me Ron Turner over all these failures please.
February 8th, 2012 at 3:34 pm
@Macabee
You are not wrong. Personally, I’d be amazed and delighted if we ended up batting .500 or better the first year.
That’s at current status. We still have yet to learn who all the coaches are, which draftees are coming and which FAs.
So, things could get better still. I’m not making ANY predictions at this point.
February 8th, 2012 at 3:47 pm
Still nothing more than rumors.
So far, I’ve seen or heard rumors of:
Turner
Brian Billick
Mike Martz
and a few other guys.
I know this is a way out there suggestion, but Clyde Christianson (sp?) sucked while he was here before. Dungy got him the job at the Colts and he was exposed to some good football there.
Maybe we should consider….naw…I can’t do it…it’s just wrong to mess with people this way, lol.
February 8th, 2012 at 3:52 pm
What about Hue Jackson? I like his aggressive play calling… LOL sorry jared I just had to…. I know nothing of Shoop but at least he could have his own intro song (Salt N Pepa Shoop)
February 8th, 2012 at 3:58 pm
Jonny, all those responses to that article made me want to throw up. Surely Coach Schiano and the “Rock Star” are aware of such info. I guess we can’t do any better but that is just too hard to believe.
February 8th, 2012 at 4:01 pm
@Jonny…I don’t know why the Bears fans would cry too much. They won their division the first year he was OC in 2001.
February 8th, 2012 at 4:08 pm
Pete:
You are getting very reckless with your rumors. Where exactly did you read/hear about Billick and Martz being linked to the Bucs. No guessing, specifically where? Links please.
February 8th, 2012 at 4:15 pm
Where is the talk of DC??? Outside of the Gators dude there hasn’t been anyone really linked, sorry I don’t take Dan Sileo saying Butch Davis as a serious link, to the Bucs for DC?!?!
February 8th, 2012 at 4:15 pm
I like Hugh Jackson!
February 8th, 2012 at 4:17 pm
I’m just talking about overall rumors…things I’ve seen mentioned in various places…not any scoops. Perhaps including Turner in that list led you to believe I meant over the last day or so, sorry.
My point was that everything has been rumors so far.
February 8th, 2012 at 4:56 pm
Schiano would never agree to hiring Hue Jackson. That is tantamount to hiring your own replacement. And Jackson wouldn’t take it anyway. Jackson is a HC-in-waiting who doesn’t believe his record justifies his release from the Raiders. And he may be right! He has a nice cushion from the Raiders contract to sit comfortably for a year or so and wait for the next round of firings, which has been 6-9 coaches a year for the last 5 years. Won’t happen! Move on!
February 8th, 2012 at 4:58 pm
Let me throw this name out to you…Rich Gannon for QB coach?
February 8th, 2012 at 5:14 pm
You guys hve more excuses than the Glazers about why they cant bring top guys in.
I notice the Saints and Steelers dont have that mentality.
No wonder we suck.
February 8th, 2012 at 5:42 pm
This flow chart must have multiple pages.
February 8th, 2012 at 5:49 pm
I wonder if Schiano considered Al Saunders. He’s currently serving as the dreaded “senior offensive assistant” for the Raiders, but he’s been a very successful OC in the past, particularly in KC under Dick Vermeil.
Maybe the Bucs gave him a sniff already, because his Wikipedia page says he interviewed for a number of open OC positions before agreeing to return to the Raiders.
February 8th, 2012 at 5:55 pm
Eric, we’re not the reason the Bucs suck. Dominik and the Glazers don’t drop by JBF every evening to get directions on what they should do. There are some who post here that believe otherwise. My philosophy on website opinion is that I’m amused by some, informed by others, respect all. I’m taking a guess here but I think the Bucs suck because they’re good at it!
February 8th, 2012 at 6:15 pm
After researching Shoop and Turner I’d have to say that I prefer Turner. He sucked as a HC but did pretty well as an OC for the Bears. Coached some of the most prolific offense they had.
February 8th, 2012 at 6:28 pm
I’m with you on the Hugh Jackson thing Eric. I do find it rather odd that his name hasn’t been coming up anywhere as a candidate. Perhaps he wants to sit around and make his money from the Raiders for doing nothing (can’t say I blame him). I know that coaches like to hire people they know, and I get that, but there comes a point where desperation has to start. Everyone we try to get either turns us down or is turned down by the team he currently works for. Hugh Jackson has had success in the NFL, and is very much available. Hopefully we are being very secretive (like we always are) and have at least given him an interview. I really don’t think there’s anyone available that is any better.
February 8th, 2012 at 6:59 pm
Lou Holtz is in the mix, my neighbor used to play for Norte Dame so it must be true
February 8th, 2012 at 7:32 pm
Word on the streets Bucs looking at Al Pacino to give half-time speeches.
February 8th, 2012 at 7:44 pm
Bring in Hue Jackson even if it’s for a year. If Schiano is stuck on McNulty than get him when he is available. Don’t bring in a scrub.
February 8th, 2012 at 9:09 pm
There There are still good, qualified coordinators out there.
The problem is two fold- will the Slumlords pay them enough to work here?
Do they want to work for a totally inexperienced head coach, who is in over his head?
So far, all the answers have been “no”.
February 8th, 2012 at 9:35 pm
Capt.,
You are starting to repeat yourself like the other 2.2. You’ve written that exact same statement at least 5 times this week alone. We get it!
February 8th, 2012 at 10:10 pm
I cant believe they brought jimmy raye back.
Of all the names i expected to hear his was the last.
Only a “consultant” I know, but still Jimmy Raye.
This guy couldnt do anything with Steve Young while he was here. Led to the Perkins era, drafting of Vinnie and trading of Young.
And Bo Jackson spurned us for baseball.
My God what horrific memories. May have to seek counseling just hearing his name.
Flabbergasting. Rockstar sure moves in mysterious ways IMO.
February 8th, 2012 at 10:16 pm
And STILL no coordinators?
Hey rockstar the Super Bowl is over!!!!!!!!!!
Your blockbuster announcements can no longer interfere with the game!
February 8th, 2012 at 11:02 pm
Just get it over with already, I can’t take the crying anymore!
February 9th, 2012 at 11:43 am
Thomas to Capt Tim: “Hey Capt. Tim…did you know that I’m schizophrenic?” Capt Tim to Thomas: “Really?! So are We!”
Capt…you are beginning to mysteriously sound a lot more like Thomas 2.2 and it’s kind of strange that when you post he’s not posting…..hmmmmmmm.
February 9th, 2012 at 8:27 pm
Less sniffing and more signing shortly, hopefully.