Coaches Choked At End Of Half

December 19th, 2010

Joe knew it. Josh Freeman knew it. Savvy fans knew it.

There was Freeman, with a timeout in his pocket, standing at the line of scrimmage about to spike the ball with 12 seconds left in the first half on the Detroit 47 yard line. Freeman would have gotten off the spike at, say, 10 seconds, and the Bucs would have had time to run a play, call timeout and set up a field goal.

But out of thin air, as if the devil was cashing in on the breaks he gave the Bucs earlier this season, someone on the Bucs sideline called timeout. That effectively slaughtered the Bucs chances of throwing anything more than a dangerous out route or a Hail Mary.

Freeman was hot under the collar as he approached the sideline. The FOX cameras were all over it. The quarterback surely knew somebody allegedly smarter than him screwed up. 

To Joe, this was reprehensible. The Bucs were moving the ball and needed just 10 yards to give Connor Barth a shot at a 54-yard field goal. He’s a guy who has the range.

Joe’s glad Freeman was mad. This kind of avoidable mistake is not acceptable for a team that aspires to “play smart,” one of the core beliefs.

Freeman tossed two lame incompletions — no shot at the end zone — and the half was over. Opportunity lost.

67 Responses to “Coaches Choked At End Of Half”

  1. Mike Says:

    I was more disappointed in the play calling on the last drive than the timeout. I think it was third down so a spike would have made it fourth down there. I would have liked us to be aggressive and go for the touchdown. It’s like we gave up and played for the field goal. Looked like dungy ball.

  2. Mr. Lucky Says:

    The coaches just don’t trust Freeman at this point. I mean he’s only a 2nd year player in that position right?

    I mean our coaches have so much more experience don’t they?

    Look Joe I totally agree that Raheem shouldn’t have called the time out. Freeman WAS pissed and I’m glad the kid has some spunk.

    Actually some of Josh Freeman’s best work is when the Bucs run a ‘sugar huddle’ which gives Josh the ability to look at the defense and call the plays.

  3. snook Says:

    Great post, Joe.

    I’m sick of Raheem and his buffoon coaching staff.

    “We’re gonna score touchdowns.”

  4. eric Says:

    A buffoon?

    The man has two victories over the Panthers for goodness sake. And we were right on the edge of greatness till the Lions beat us at home with Stanton at QB.

    A veritable football genius he is.


    What, you’re Yoda now, eric?

  6. Hawaiian Buc Says:

    Check the tape. It was 3rd &2. If he spiked it, it would have been fourth down. So in fact Freeman was about to make a huge mistake.

  7. eric Says:

    Nice pick up Hawaiian Buc.

  8. Hawaiian Buc Says:

    Joe, you should correct yourself on this one.

  9. Hawaiian Buc Says:

    We did not lose from game mismanagement. We lost because we couldn’t stop them when we had to.

  10. Snook Says:

    Who cares if it would’ve been 4th down?

  11. Mr. Lucky Says:

    choice are:

    1. 4th and 2 with 12 seconds and 1 time out


    2. 3rd and 2 with 12 seconds and no time outs.

    Sorry but with those options I think using the time out is MORE stupid then spiking the ball.

  12. Mr. Lucky Says:

    “We did not lose from game mismanagement. We lost because we couldn’t stop them when we had to.”

    Absolutely agree!

  13. Hawaiian Buc Says:

    Then thank God you aren’t a football coach. That would be a truly stupid decision.

  14. HIRE GREG OLSON! Says:

    Hawaiian Buc Says:
    December 20th, 2010 at 12:22 am

    Joe, you should correct yourself on this one.


    Good Luck, with that one buddy. Just refer to the “Rams Are Rebuilding Faster Than the Bucs” post of Joe’s, to know once he puts something out there, there’s no turning back. Like most Teabaggers, once they spout off, not even facts will sway them.

  15. BamBamBuc Says:

    Everything seems “reprehensible” to Joe after a loss. Fact is, we had too many starters on IR, too many practice squad players on the field to win this game. Even if we don’t count Price or Moore, the losses of McCoy, Black, Talib and T-Jack/Grimm was enough to allow Megatron 150 yards and the run D wasn’t great before and wasn’t about to get BETTER with Okam and Lynch in the game. Seriously, get REAL people. We were winning before with a college all-star team, now we’ve got the college runner-ups in there.

    You can blame this coach or that, this player or that, all you want for the loss. The Lions were playing with a #3 QB, but other than that, had most of the same team they’ve been playing with all season. We’ve got 4 of 5 O-linemen that didn’t start the season, and most of them played better than Penn and Trueblood today. We started a RB and WR that didn’t start the season. We had a DE, DT, OLB, CB and FS that didn’t start the season there.

    We also had some bad breaks on calls by the refs. Myron Lewis got called for an arm bar pass interference against the Falcons a few weeks ago that was “iffy” at best, but Mike Williams has both arms held down and there’s no call. K2 gets called for pushing off when he’s being held. Regardless, we couldn’t stop the run or pass when the game was on the line with UFL players on the roster. Not the coaches fault guys got hurt.

  16. admin Says:

    Joe here,

    OK. HawaiianBuc or anyone else. Explain how its better to be 3rd-and-two with no timeouts and 12 seconds left, then 4th-and-2 with 1 timeout.

    This should be enlightening …

  17. Snook Says:

    Exactly, Joe.

    One timeout give you more options in order to set up for FG.

    No timeouts results in… well, we saw what it results in.

  18. Hawaiian Buc Says:

    Because you can throw a complete pass and go out of bounds, then kick the FG. Last I checked, the clock stops when you go out of bounds. If you miss on 4th down, you give then the opportunity to have a shot at the end zone. Please tell me that makes sense.

  19. admin Says:

    Joe here,

    BamBamBuc – Maybe Joe missed something, but Joe doesn’t recall you saying before the game that the Bucs didn’t have enough players to beat the Lions.

    The Lions had lost 26 in a row on the road, an NFL record. Their running backs were below average. They were playing a 3rd string QB. They’ve got their share of other injuries and young players.

    Sure the Bucs are playing guys you have to Google and practice squad guys, but that doesn’t change for one second that the Bucs should have won this game and some of the coaching decisions let them down.

    Joe just watching the game and reacting to what he sees.

  20. Joe Says:


    Playoff teams (or wannabe playoff teams) don’t whine about injuries in December. See: Packers, Green Bay; Colts, Indianapolis).

    Whining about injuries is Chuckytalk.

    Joe didn’t notice the rebuilding since 1957 Detroit Lions crying that Matt Stafford was unavailable?

    Even if you want to use injuries as an excuse, it doesn’t fly. If the Bucs injuries were so grievous, how could they possibly be leading in the fourth quarter?

  21. Snook Says:

    Wow. That’s your answer?

    Is this Raheem?

  22. admin Says:

    Joe here,

    HawaiianBuc – Without the timeout your options for a play call are SEVERELY limited, which puts the advantage on the defense. All you can do is try to take two shots at the sideline and hope to get out of bounds and amass the minimum 10 yards (or more) you need for a field goal.

    With the timeout in hand and 12 seconds on 4th-and-2 you open up the entire field to get that 10+ yards you need for field goal range, which gives the Bucs the edge.

    You can still go for a quick out with a greater shot at success in that scenario. But more likely something over the middle to try and break a play. And if you go the out route and hit it, you possibly have a shot at the end zone with eight seconds remaining before kicking the field goal.

    Bottom line: Holding the timeout gives the edge to the offense.

  23. eric Says:

    If you call the time out on third down you have two shots at the hail Mary.

    If you spike it, only one.

    Or, you have two shots at the quick sideline route, not one.

  24. Snook Says:

    Raheem AND Olson are posting here tonight.

  25. Hawaiian Buc Says:

    Of course it is better to have a timeout versus not have a timeout, but the issue is you don’t ever spike the ball on 3rd down. If you don’t make it, you give the other team an opportunity to score. At least if you get an out route, you have the chance to kick a FG and go up 7.

  26. admin Says:

    Joe here,

    Eric – Nobody in the NFL is going for a Hail Mary when they need 10 yards to get in field goal range.

  27. admin Says:

    Joe here,

    HawaiianBuc – And throwing an out route with everyone in the building knowing its coming doesn’t give the Lions a chance to get the ball back and score?

    The odds with a timeout on 4th-and-2 and a full playbook at your disposal to use are better than the options with no timeouts and trying to nail one or two out routes to net 10 yards or more.

  28. Hawaiian Buc Says:

    Not when you have a franchise QB who has made very few mistakes this season.

  29. Hawaiian Buc Says:

    And what if you don’t get the first down Joe? They do have a 6’5″ beast of a WR who would be a tough guy to beat in a Hail Mary situation. It’s real easy to make those kind of calls in hindsight. If we didn’t get it and they did score, you would be blasting the coaches for that too.

  30. admin Says:

    Joe here,

    Freeman has made his share of mistakes forcing balls on out routes without everyone knowing it’s coming. It’s not his strength. Much rather see him throw over the middle for 10 to 15 yards, or a high percentage screen pass.

  31. admin Says:

    Joe here,

    HawaiianBuc – This argument is about percentages, nothing else. No, Joe wouldn’t be blasting the coach in that situation. The NFL completes maybe one or two Hail Mary’s a season. Tops.

  32. adam from ny Says:

    the bucs are just 2 darn banged up to compete defensively now….we were not that good to begin with, but were getting better defensively…however, the injuries have piled up high and are seriously taking a tole….i’m not copping a plee for my bucs, but the best part of the season seems to be behind us and a 9-7 finish and no playoff appearance seem inevitable….truth be told, we shouldn’t be in the playoffs anyway….we are not there yet….i would be more concerned that with a tougher schedule next year will we be able to again win 9 or 10 games and get in the playoffs??….this season is a wash….also we have been road warriors this year and are 3-4 at home….we don’t really seem to have that home field edge and i think that has something to do with lack there of a consistantly sold out stadium and a truely rawkus fan base….the players i’m sure are a little down on the hometown fans not being 100% supportive….if you win 5 of 8 road games, realistically you should have quite an impressive record with a winning home record…..the fans need to get back in the mix and support these young guns and watch them grow….enough of the invasion of other fan bases via stub hub…..we don’t seem to have that old “home field advantage”….or “12th man” any more….and that’s the local yocals fault….adam from ny

  33. adam from ny Says:

    hey joe- moe read my post…..adam from ny

  34. adam from ny Says:

    seriously rah is coaching like a bird these days….and olson seriously looks like this porno guy who bangs a lot of the girls in the porno flicks….it wierds me out when they put him on tv….he really looks like some porno dude who is all over the internet…lol…adam from ny

  35. adam from ny Says:

    i watch every game if i’m not down in tampa at my local sports bar that has satellite….i had a good vibe going in to the bar….2 things occured that set of my antenars….my friend i watch the game with always sits on my right side…always…and i believe in karma and stuff like that…so i always tell him sit on my right…today he decides to sit on my left and i said nothing….however that bulb in my head went off….then i looked at a shot of raheem on the sidelines when they cut to him between plays….the fool had his golf shirt buttoned all the way to the top…all 3 buttons were buttoned up to the neckbone….i new that was off and wrong as well…he looked all geeked out like that….once again the red flag popped in my noggin….then i said to myself we might be in trouble today…low and behold, when things played out….my forewarnings had impact and the bucs went into the lockeroom losers….i believe in signs and karma and things got a bit weirded…rah wearing his shirt like a fool and my friend sitting where he hasn’t sat in 19 years….sh*t happens…..oh well….adam from ny…………ps rah really wore his shirt like a foykin nerd!

  36. adam from ny Says:

    wow check the pic above that joe posted it shows rah’s stupid sense of style….that shirt is choking hos poor lil neckbone……adam from ny

  37. josh Says:

    Tough loss. We would be in great shape if we wouldve won. Dont know why olsen and rah had to be so conservative, Refs screwed us on a few plays too. Dont know how we cant score a TD when we are on the dam one yard line. Blount is here for a REASON!!.ALL we gotta tell him is to not stop. On the plus side we are gonna get a W next week against the seachickens i dont care they are god awful.That New Orleanes game will be like a playoff game win we get in most likely.

  38. josh Says:

    I guarantee a bucs blowout win over the SeaChicks. They got no Calvin Johnson. I aint scared of phoney Mike Williams.I mean we beat them last year on the road. This is also the same team that allowed 40 PTS to san fran!!LMAO!!Dont worry guys we got a W NEXT WEEK!! GO BUCS!!GOTS TO STAY POSITIVEE

  39. josh Says:

    @adam from NY
    oookay lol

  40. josh Says:

    Calvin Johnson is a Absolute ANIMAL.Dont know why we were playin so Off and soft on him. Detroit is a good football team without key players like Stafford. I see them being a suprise team next year. They just go out there and play hard for Swartz no matter the circumstances

  41. Joke Says:

    “Freeman tossed two lame incompletions — no shot at the end zone — and the half was over. Opportunity lost.”

    Play-by-play says Freeman threw a 14-yard pass to Winslow to end the half.
    (But they didn’t show the end of the half on RedZone, so I don’t if that’s accurate.)

  42. josh Says:

    Just looked at Playoff Standings and heres the deal

    NYG-@Green Bay, @Washington
    Bucs-Vs Seachicks, @NewOrleanes
    Saints-@Atlanta, Vs Bucs
    Packers-Vs NYG, V.s Chicago

    We NEED Atlanta to beat the Saints with us winning out or its likely over unless we win out and Giants lose out. Either way we have to beat New Orleanes. Which is very hard with all the injurys on our D but anything can happen

  43. josh Says:

    another scenerario that is not gonna happen is the Giants losing out to the pack and skins that would put there Conference record at 7-5 with a overall 9-7 record. Then the and the bears losing out. Then we would be in with a win over seattle

  44. architek79 Says:

    Bucs don’t deserve to qualify for the tournament, both the coaches and the defense aren’t ready. I love my Bucs but I respect the playoffs and the teams that exemplify excellence to get there to compete for the trophy. Today, would you reward the coaching staff with that or the defenders named Ruud, Miller, Lynch, Okam, White, and Hayes. No they don’t deserve it. Go and look at the heart and coaching in the Giants vs Eagles and see two teams that wanted it or see the Clown beat of the Seahawks. Us no, too soft, I love my team but no its not fair to the greats.

  45. hawaiian buc Says:

    It’s just a difference in philosophy Joe. Most coaches will never spike the ball on 3rd down. No matter what you say about the percentages of hail mary’s, Detroit’s percentage is considerably higher than most (if not all) other teams because of Johnson. Not to mention that I have seen hundreds of times teams throw out of bounds when everyone knew it was coming, and so have you. It’s not near as impossible as you make it out to be, and I think you know it.

    Regardless of what you or I believe, it doesn’t deserve for you to say the coaches “choked” just because you believe in hindsight they should have gone a different direction.

  46. D-Rome Says:

    But out of thin air, as if the devil was cashing in on the breaks he gave the Bucs earlier this season…

    With this one line you’ve pretty much admitted aren’t as good as their record suggests. I agree with you. Some of those wins this year was due to the fact that the other team snatched defeat from the jaws of victory. Hell, I don’t know why anyone would care about the Bucs making the playoffs. What good is it being one and done?

  47. McBuc Says:

    Dave Moore agreed with the time out for the same reasons stated by BamBam and Hawaiian.

    Joe, I have not heard the team blame it on injuries, but I also did not watch any postgame stuff, I was a bit too upset for that. I do know that the fans of all those teams point to injuries. It is what fans do, look for a reason why the team lost. Injuries or not the Lions out played the Bucs. Everyone is beating up the defense, but the offense needed to stay on the field longer as well. 20 points won games in the late 90’s and early 2000’s, but we need this offense to put up a bunch of points.

  48. thomas 2.1 Says:

    maybe they just arent who you sheep think they are?

    some of us have been telling you sheep that their schedule and the luck of being dealt all of these second and third string qbs and some amazing breaks allowed for this artificially misleading record.

    this is a 4-6 win team masquerading as a playoff competitor. losing at home to the lions with a third string qb after 26 straight road losses is ugly.

    truth be told: watching those two teams yesterday, they were equally matched (except of course for Megatron against our secondary and their run o against our run d) otherwise, identical.

    if you didnt know, you couldnt tell that those two teams had different records.

    are we closer to a new orleans or detroit? well you saw the answer on display yesterday folks. all hail to rah-rah.

  49. MIKE56WESLEY Says:

    thomas 2.1,or are we closer to atlanta, or look at a close loss to detroit they beat green bay,and anyone can throw the ball to johnson.i like the idea that the teams are identical,shows who the better coach is thats why we are 8-6,and they are 4and something.and all you cohwer fans can quit tossing off to his chin hes not coming to tampa he gave his three choices and tampa is not one

  50. MIKE56WESLEY Says:

    new england lost to cleveland so they suck to or do you just post any dumb thing you can think of,dont i remember you praising the way washington rebuilt through free agents the first three games, boy if we all just listen to you what a bunch of short bus riders we will be,if you are not everyone else around you should be embarrased by the obvious hate and racism you portray,everyone no that this is an overachieving team but you sit here thinking that we the real fans are going to fall for the ignorant talk of a klansman. we are not, the days of that are over,we are young ,hurt ,ahead of schedule according to you and everyone else that predicted a losing season,but for the sake of a white head coach we should fire this overachieving youngman ?man get a grip!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  51. admin Says:

    Joe here,

    Thomas 2.1 – The Bucs are an 8-6 team. They’ve earned their record. Shouldn’t be so hard to see.

  52. gotbbucs Says:

    i can handle loses but i cannot handle all of the douche bags crawling out from under thier rocks to gloat about it. its pathetic. and with 12 seconds left and 3rd and 2 you spike the damn ball, not waste the timeout.

  53. Thomas 2.1 Says:


    It depends on the definition of “earned,” if you limit it to more points at the end of regulation, we agree.

    I disagree if you think, for example, that they “earned” the win last week. A comedy of errors by the opposition and officials gift-wrapped a 1 point victory.

    The schedule replete with third-string qb’s like: Max Hall, Jimmy Clausen, Matt Moore, Troy Smith, Drew Stanton, Sam Bradford (who I like by the way) etc helped inflate the win total.

    Are they as bad as I thought and predicted? I have conceded that they are not. Are they a 10 win playof caliber team yet? No, they are not as witnessed the last two weeks.

    The defense is flat terrible, especially against the run even in obvious run situations (which if I were coachong against them would be almost any situation). With the exception of Talib and maybe Grimm, the injuries are not that significant and every team faces them so please sheep do not use that excuse.

    Using the injury excuse is just a defense mechanism to excuse the failure of “ya boyee” from choking an easy playoff birth at 7-3 4 weeks ago.

    But for a botched hold – this team would likely have lost 4 straight, how would “ya boyee rah” be graded then? If they lose to Seattle next week, they are a botched hold from losing their last 6. Great finish guys.

  54. MIKE56WESLEY Says:

    I think we are all upset about the loss ,like most im going to be upset for the rest of the week,but by no means am i going to blast the staff or the players i respect anyone with a sensible opinion but i hate these guys that says the coach sucks after a close loss.we are competing in every game now and the loss of talib is just too much to over come i know its not an excuse but this injury situation is crazy most teams overcome that by putting in backups that they have on their roster but we are already full of rookies so we put in practice squad players from others roster,great overall coaching job rahiem .does any one remember what happened when their was injuries to derrick brooks,couldnt when 1 game to make playoffs,simms got hurt we won 4 games got adams so dont give me the crap about morris because proven coaches didnt fair much better here with injuries.I was saying e was over his head last year but he has made a believer out of me

  55. Brad Says:

    Thomas should be removed from this website. This idiot is a douche bag and always has dumbass comments.

  56. MIKE56WESLEY Says:

    joe,can you please inform some of us that those third string quarterbacks had just as much or more expierce than our fourth and fifth string safties or rookie cornerbacks we have a second year quarterback four missing offenseive lineman and as far as detroit goes calvin johnson,see randy moss,anybody in minnisota could throw great,cullpepper-garbage johnson-average,george-garbage,cunningham 100 years old anybody can throw to johnson hes that special even more with e.j.biggers,elbert mack ,myron lewis at corner,but they only see second or third string quarterbacks throwing

  57. MIKE56WESLEY Says:

    thomas, what was the defensive meganism when gruden was 9-3 and choked when brooks played injured?the team wasnt this young and he was favorite to make playoffs with all his vets and freeagent signings what happen then o yeah for some reason you give him abreak.I JUST LIKE THAT FOR THE FIRST TIME SINCE 2002 I AM LOOKING FORWORD TO NEXT YEAR.

  58. Thomas 2.1 Says:


    Calvin Johnson is a special player, agreed. I also thought that Stanton looked pretty good yesterday, good feet, fairly accurate and decisive. Troy Smith, Max Hall, Jimmy Clausen etc were just plain horrible. My point is: the Cards are not the Kurt Warner, even Matt Lienart Cards. The Lions are better with Stafford, the 9ers better with Alex Smith and the Browns better with Colt McCoy. The schedule unfolded very favorably – that is not the fault of the Bucs.

    I do not approve of Rah the Head Coach. I like him as a D Backs coach, I watched him on the practice field coaching up the DB’s effectively. I think yesterday was another example of why he shouldn’t ne head coach. Just My opinion.

    I know many of you sheep disagree with me. If you want to argue that the players like him, you are correct. If you want to argue that his buddy-style of coaching may be working with most of these kids, that would be a point worthy of consideration.

    If you want to argue that he has overall game-management, whole-team personell, discipline, long-term direction qualities that come anywhere near a Cowher you are incorrect.

    Brad: if you are going to take the time to blog, contribute meaningfully, if you are capable.

  59. MIKE56WESLEY Says:

    Great post thomas ,but you seem to be a long fan of the game,didnt Cohwer have growing pains?And can you honestly say rahiem is not learning on a pretty fast track,he is definatley not the worst coach in the league.I cried for him to be fired last year I was upset after the saints but since then we have been in place to win every game since then ,kinda remind me of the Falcons last year

  60. Joe Says:


    Playoff teams — or wannabe playoff teams — don’t cry about injuries.

    You see Steelers fans whining about their beat up offensive line? Or Colts fans weeping about their injuries? Or Packers fans bawling in their Miller Lite over Aaron Rodgers?

    Using injuries as an excuse is Chuckytalk. Injuries are part of football. In addition, we’re talking about losing to the Lions — the rebuilding since 1957 Detroit Lions here! — not the Steelers or the Ravens.

    Once again, if injuries were so horrible for the Bucs, how did they have a lead in the fourth quarter?

    You won’t see Joe using injuries as an excuse.

  61. Thomas 2.1 Says:

    Thanks Mike.

    No, Rah is not the worst coach in the league. Yes, he is improving and learning.

    I would love for him to be our head coach after he learned on the job elsewhere for 4-5 years. In 5 years, I believe that he will be very good.

    Now, I wanty someone who will sell tickets and inject excitement so we can sell tickets again, fill the place and create a home-field advantage.

    34 y.o. inexperienced Rah leading a bunch of no-names is a great story for the hardcore fan, but not for the fringe fan. Cowher would pack the house.

    I do realize he is not coming here I just use him as the strongest example.

  62. MIKE56WESLEY Says:

    joe, I am not saying the injuries I no it is part of the game what im saying is after a close lose its the coaches fault how many good call or decision did he make to win close games and now he loses this and the word is he cant manage a game,the part about the injuries is actually a great job by him and no the steelers dont cry about injuries but they sure did miss the playoffs after winning the superbowl when troy p got hurt,for some reason without a good saftey the great steelers could not stop the run

  63. MIKE56WESLEY Says:

    I know he is not gruden or cohler yet but Bill up in new england was no parcels he sure turned into a better version now .I just dont want to lose him and as long he progresses I hope we keep him,i thought we were done after a couple of injuries but he showed he could adjust like some of the older coaches

  64. Joe Says:


    Simply put, you will never see Joe write about injuries. That’s like baseball players crying about curveballs.

  65. eric Says:

    They have earned their record.

    8-1 against losing teams. 0-5 against winning teams. New regime has a 11-19 record since inception which they have also “earned”.

    Improvement? Sure. Good enough? Not yet – remember Division Titles and “one and done” were considered failure before.

    A Division Title in the trophy case is needed for the “lasting contenders”.

    Might be just a bit harder than it looks.

  66. MIKE56WESLEY Says:

    rebuilding Tampa-2years what time frame would you give morris-dominic?do you think the team will be better next year or do you think they hit a sophmore slump? this looks like a total rebuild that should make playoffs next year.Im sorry fellows that at the beginning of the year we were sopposed to be 2-14and got you expecting the playoffs we are overachieving and will continue to do so but it sure beats being panthers,cowboys,redskins,vikings,dolphins,bengals,browns,niners,rams,bills ect……………………..

  67. McBuc Says:

    Joe…I have heard all year from Colt’s fans regarding their teams injuries. You said a long timne ago that depth would be an issue on the Bucs if they statred losing players, well you were right. We need more depth. I know there arfe two of you, but come on man give it a break.

    Thomas…I never thought your hate for Raheem was race based, but WTF do you mean by “ya boyee rah”? This shines a bright light on your agenda. Maybe you should start watching hockey.