Expect An Offensive Bucs Offense Sunday
September 10th, 2010Pat Kirwan and Jason Horowitz of CBSSports.com peel off the onion skins of the Bucs season-opener with Cleveland Sunday. Joe is a big fan of Kirwan. His Sirius NFL Radio show, “Movin’ the Chains,” co-hosted with Tim Ryan, is an absolute must-listen for real football fans. Joe has never heard Kirwan dish out as harsh criticism on the Bucs as he heard in this video. Kirwan backs up his points with solid analysis and it’s difficult to argue with what Kirwan says. After viewing this piece, what say you Bucs fans?
September 10th, 2010 at 12:12 pm
Joe, how is it possible that a person who runs a buccaneers website can hate the Bucs as much as you? I mean i don’t think I’ve read one positive statement about this team in the last week. I’m from Philly so I’m used to self loathing eagles fans, but your getting a little ridiculous. Anyway, let me know, I’d love to get your feed back.
September 10th, 2010 at 12:15 pm
There is no way we lose this game against cleveland.
September 10th, 2010 at 12:18 pm
Cleveland is not farther along than Tampa is in rebuilding they have Delhome that might call plays better than Freeman for the first half of the season mabey. but then he goes down and they have to start all over with Colt McCoy. They are about 3-5 years away if everything goes ok. We are 1-2 years away!!!
September 10th, 2010 at 12:30 pm
more first downs than punts would be a good start….
September 10th, 2010 at 12:32 pm
You said it RastaMan.
Go look at the browns preseason box scores, in the first half they were offensive beasts… compared to tye Bucs at least.
September 10th, 2010 at 1:05 pm
its stopping the run, that the Bucs should be concerned with.
September 10th, 2010 at 1:29 pm
Well…Vegas is better at predicting these games than any of these so called experts, and the so called fans in Tampa. Vegas has Tampa favored by 3 1/2. GO BUCS!
September 10th, 2010 at 1:32 pm
Home field is worth 3…..
September 10th, 2010 at 1:36 pm
Zach:
That’s grossly inaccurate. Just yesterday Joe had a glowing article about Mike Williams and this morning Joe linked to another positive piece about Williams.
Sadly, this team — this season — isn’t going to bring much hope. Two years from now, you bet.
Joe wants the Bucs to win more than anyone. It’s good for business. But Joe’s also a realist and he’s not going to try to pretend he lives in a fantasy land where all the girls look like Rachel Watson and there’s free beer for all.
September 10th, 2010 at 1:54 pm
“Sadly, this team — this season — isn’t going to bring much hope. Two years from now, you bet.”
And this is based of what exactly? The regular season games that have yet to be played this year? None of us have a crystal ball.
Would 6, 7, 8 wins be hope?
Would 5 wins yet extreme visual player growth and development be hope?
You can’t say this season won’t turn out hopeful for us, it has yet to be played. You can be realistic AND the glass can be half full.
September 10th, 2010 at 2:07 pm
bucfanjeff:
Would you lay a mortgage payment in Vegas that the Bucs will have a winning record this season?
Joe wouldn’t.
Doesn’t mean Joe isn’t hopeful.
Joe totally gets what Mark Dominik is trying to accomplish. Like an Iowa cornfield in May, it’s unrealistic to expect the Bucs building to bear fruit this year.
September 10th, 2010 at 2:51 pm
Playing the odds doesn’t mean there isn’t hope, Joe. Franchise QB, DT, and WR is hope, watching them develop, make splashes and grow is hopeful, a 6+/- win season is progress and provides hope. Anything less than a winning season does not mean there is no hope.
Who beat you when you were little? Good grief.
September 10th, 2010 at 3:03 pm
Bucmike…lats year it didn’t, and it is not always the case. Sometimes home is only worth 1, and I do not recall many games home or away that the bus were favored in. Even so, we have that half point going for us.
September 10th, 2010 at 3:05 pm
Also…Vegas does not want you to beat the spread, so home field or not, if they think the Bucs can not win, they would favor the other team. They are objective, since it is just about money. I am going to say the Bucs win by 10.
September 10th, 2010 at 4:42 pm
Vegas sets the spread and payout so there is profit no matter who wins the game. They adjust the point spread and the line according to where the bets are placed. They want 50/50 betting.
September 10th, 2010 at 5:04 pm
Pat Kirwan is absolutely correct. The Bucs have a second year QB who missed almost all of the game action he needed in the pre-season and a stable of young WR’s who are still grasping to master the playbook.
That is definitely not the recipe for guaranteed success.
But… the NFL is a league where talent rises to the top. Always has. Always will. And the Bucs are far more talented at key positions than they’ve been in several years. Can they beat the Browns – absolutely.
But if there’s ever a game where they might look unprepared and unfamiliar with each other, it will be this one.
September 10th, 2010 at 5:08 pm
Also… Joe answer me this.
Why does every national pundit keep saying the Bucs have been rebuilding for YEARS – throwing them in the same conversation as the Lions, Browns, and Rams.
Uhhh… the Bucs have one losing season in a row. One. Coming off back-to-back winning seasons. They’ve won more Division championships in the past decade than any other NFC South team – and they’re just 2 seasons removed from their last playoff appearance.
But to hear guys like Kirwan or Peter King talk, the Bucs haven’t won since the late nineties. Explain.
September 10th, 2010 at 6:02 pm
Atleast Kirwan gets it right about Freeman being the best of the three drafted last year.I get so tired of Mike and Mike talking about Sanchez and Stafford.Freeman is going to be great maybe elite.Hopefully next summer he can spend a week with Peyton.Him an J.J. said they learned lot from Brees.(I know I’m dreaming).As far as what Kirwan said a bout having a veteran W.O. to help calm Freeman and tell him what routes or plays to go with shouldn’t Olosen and Yarber do the same thing (I know they wont be on the field but he will be in the helmet.
FILMBUC, you got that right about all the press acting like the Bucs have been rebuilding FOREVER,didn’t we win the division in 05,07 Eight years removed from a superbowl COME ON I know were rebuilding now and we were patching for a year or so,But definately not Forever!!! I think our rebuild is moving at a very fast pace!!!(until Raheem gets Fired and we start a new system and we wont have the right personel Blah blah blah)
September 10th, 2010 at 6:46 pm
We will be fortunate to beat Cleveland, if we do, and I hope we do. Like another poster said, Cleveland were offensive beasts in the pre season, and Jake DelHome Boy knows us too. They have a big power back, and a large offensive line, but we have our rookies.
It is going to be Interesting. The Cleveland fans (Dog Pound) are pretty cool, and love Football. It should be a great game
September 10th, 2010 at 7:13 pm
Hey, this is WHO Pat Kirwan is, he used to be a scout for us, and coached at Hofstra!
Pat Kirwan is an American football coach.
He began his NFL career in 1972 after coaching high school and college football. He was an area scout for the Phoenix Cardinals (1989) and Tampa Bay Buccaneers (1983-1986). He spent eight years (1989-1997) with the New York Jets, beginning as a defensive assistant coach and advancing to director of player administration, where he negotiated contracts and managed the team’s salary cap.
Pat was Offensive Coordinator for Hofstra University and Head Coach of Maria Regina High School. He is a graduate of St. Anthony’s High School (New York).
After his NFL career, Kirwan became a regular contributor to CNNSI and is an NFL.com senior analyst. He currently co-hosts on Sirius NFL Radio’s Movin’ the Chains with Tim Ryan.
He occasionally participates in NFL.com chats
September 10th, 2010 at 8:24 pm
I think it’s a fair assessment. I don’t agree about Delhomo. I think he sucks just as much as Anderson did, but other than that Pat seemed pretty knowledgable and accurate. Being a Buc fan, I think our young guys will play better than most outsiders think, but with Talib out and Freeman’s thumb…I’d say Sunday’s game is 50/50. I don’t think either team should be favored.
September 10th, 2010 at 8:54 pm
The Browns will feel the HEAT like they haven’t felt before, with the exception of maybe Haden from FL. It is going to be hot as hell and Delhomme is going to bake in it along with the rest of his team. The is a big advantage to the Bucs. He will have a hard time seeing with sweat running in his eyes. When the sweat clears he’ll have GMC, Price, & The boys slamming him on his back. Hit him hard & hit him often. Defense is the key to this game. I love the Heat. Bring it Freakin On! Go Bucs!!!
September 10th, 2010 at 9:19 pm
Scout for the Bucs from ’83 to ’86 eh? Those years worked out so well for Tampa! I’ll let my own eyes and ears determine my level of hope or hopelessness if you please.
September 10th, 2010 at 10:30 pm
Good thing CBS had Kirwan doing this analysis instead of Judge. He’s an idiot. I agree with PK though. We are really young and that will probably cost us. It would be good to get Jake later in the season when he wears down because early on he will still be strong enough to throw well. I do really like our young players, but we are still a year plus away from really doing damage.
September 11th, 2010 at 7:05 am
Jake Delhome beat us when we had an all-pro team. I wonder what he’ll do with a Raheem lead team consisting of mostly rookies. We will be 0-1 after game one. I just hope that the Glazers wake up and hire a real coach before he ruins all the talented rookies.
September 11th, 2010 at 11:47 am
I almost did a video rebuttal but that seemed petty. Pat is bright and I think normally good. But, like others have said, he seems to be reading and regurgitating in this case. (and a little pandering)
1. Rebuilding for years? Really?
2. All that he said positive about Jake was that his legs seemed more solid, leading to better fundamentals and delivery and he was able to CALL THE PLAY (um, thought that was a requirement)
3. His comments about needing a vet to help Freeman seem to go in the face of data provided in the offseason about Josh spending time in the film room, taking the line reads from Faine and generally developing. How would a slower, older (admittedly, potentially cagier(sp?) vet help here. We had that last year. He broke off routes that led to INT’s)
4. Josh Johnson is not a ‘run around’ quarterback. He happens to be a QB who CAN run around. They are different.
5. While I would kill for EG to get 6 looks per game, I think it will require a voodoo like level of playcalling intervention (as I believe he had roughly 28 touches last year combined)