Raheem The Dream Should Return For 3rd Season
July 19th, 2010
Having only cobbled together three wins last year and going through two coordinators by the halfway point of the season, it’s easy to see why many are skeptical that Raheem The Dream will have any lasting power as the Bucs head coach.
But no less an authority than Herm Edwards believes Raheem The Dream will lock up some job security this season.
Twittering as he often does early in the morning, Herm fielded a question from a Bucs fan about Raheem the Dream and gave a short but clear endorsement of him.
@TWOZRO: can the Bucs improve enough to keep Rah Mo employed? I want to see him blossom.
@HermEdwardsESPN: Yes
Unless the Bucs totally trip up this season — not unlikely given the fact quarterback Josh Freeman has limited weapons and the defense will rely too heavily on rookies on the defensive line — Joe can easily see Raheem The Dream coming back for the 2011 season, provided there is a 2011 season.
Six wins would pretty much lock up Raheem The Dream for another season.
July 19th, 2010 at 2:10 pm
Herm advanced too quickly…
July 19th, 2010 at 2:17 pm
Ditto Calico – Herm just wasn’t, and isn’t, head coach material.
Raheem, despite his inexperienced showings last season, has much more potential in my opinion. I’m thinking and hoping his maturation shows this year.
July 19th, 2010 at 2:39 pm
Ok, after this losing season he will have one more to go to match the number of his predecessor in Eleven years as an NFL head-coach.
Awesome!
I will be shocked if he gets more than 3 wins this year. 2 is more likely. Going for 0 is not out of the question if they have any injury trouble.
Whether that absolute and complete disaster will cause people to see the light that this guy is a charade remains to be seen.
July 19th, 2010 at 2:51 pm
and here we go…
July 19th, 2010 at 2:53 pm
i’m sorry man…i just don’t see how you think we will get 2 wins with this schedule and a full offseason without all the sideshows, you think we will win the same amount of games in our 16 games this year as our last 3 games last year?
July 19th, 2010 at 2:55 pm
yep!
July 19th, 2010 at 3:13 pm
Eric,
If you think 2 wins is all we are going to get and that even 0 is possible, then go on record now and promise us all you will give Morris his due when he wins 6 or more games this year and finally stop this blind hatred. I will do the same and say if we don’t win at least 6, you have been right all along and that I was stupid for thinking otherwise.
July 19th, 2010 at 3:15 pm
poor choice of words Gary…i can see eric writing his response with a grin right now
“YOU WANT ME TO CONGRATULATE A 6 WIN SEASON BLAH BLAH BLAH GRUDEN DID THIS GRUDEN DID THAT RAHEEM IS A JOKE”
don’t even waste your time with em man
July 19th, 2010 at 3:20 pm
I suppose I wil join all of bucdom at the euphoria of a six win season.
July 19th, 2010 at 3:26 pm
Aren’t we jumping the gun a little here talking about season 3??? His 3’rd season could be 2 or more years away. We really need to get the season started because all this blah blah $#!t is getting old. The more Herm Edwards speaks the less I think of him. He’s another one that needs to STFU.
But seriously, does Eric know something the rest of us don’t? I sure hope not. Eric, you need to get laid, and soon. Maybe one of Capt Jim’s ho-ho’s will do it.
At least everything here at the JBF spout off session is fair and balanced.
Now I think I’ll go and maturate.
July 19th, 2010 at 3:33 pm
Eric: What is the basis for your pessimistic outlook on the team is it just last year or something more devious? You say you have been a fan since 76, you can not say that this is as bad as the 80’s and early 90’s. Why are you ready to give up on Morris after just one year? Because he was not a DO for 10 years before an offer came his way? He is our coach; the head coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, get used to it and get over it. You seem like you would be happier cheering on some other team that is not rebuilding, and all teams rebuild and have growing pains along the way, even the Colts and Pats. You and Thomas are depressing.
July 19th, 2010 at 3:41 pm
Last year was every bit as bad as the Leeman Bennett years…
July 19th, 2010 at 3:45 pm
“last YEAR was every bit as bad at the Leeman Bennett YEARS…”
when year actually becomes years…then people can whine all they want, until then, get over it, one bad year, not gonna that last one either
July 19th, 2010 at 3:47 pm
But it was only one year.
July 19th, 2010 at 3:48 pm
OMG!!!
Hanging on the words of Herm Edwards!!!!
Herm Edwards who has a lifetime coaching record of 54-74 .422
Herm Edwards who ran the Jets into the ground and got fired/resigned after a GREAT 2005 4-12 season.
Herm Edwards who had a 6-26 record in his last two years of the Chiefs!
Herm Edwards who in his last 2 years didn’t even win as many games as Gruden won in his last year with the Bucs before getting fired!
Yeah I guess that Raheem Morris does look like a good coach in the eyes of the great NFL coach Herm Edwards
GEEZ!!!!
July 19th, 2010 at 3:49 pm
Hey Joe,
can you find out if Pee Wee Herman thinks Morris will be back to coach next year?
July 19th, 2010 at 3:50 pm
We’re talking about Raheem coming back in 2011 now????
Can’t we see how 2010 begins????
July 19th, 2010 at 3:51 pm
Reasons for pessimistic outlook?
1. No viable wide receivers, counting on rookies to start and make an impact. Lost AB or gave him up.
2. With no credible passing attack, defenses will stack the box, take away our running game.
3. Uncertainties in o-line particulalry left tacke and protecting Freeman. Combined with nobody to throw to other than k-2, a big problem.
4. Counting on immediate impact and help from McCoy, and Price, which is very unlikely given recent history. 32nd ranked run defense last season. If you can’t stop the run you can’t win in the NFl.
5. Pass rush was very poor last year, and counting on the “disruptive force” of a rookie to improve. Virtually no depth on DL.
6. Running game is below average.
7. Rah is young and enthusuastic, but simply lacks the required credentials to head coach in the NFl. Teams are evenly matched. Coaching is critical, game plans essential and adaptability is paramount. I see no evidence this man can do the job. Remaining coaching staff are a group of nobodies (except the special teams coach) who couldn’t find work elsewhere.
July 19th, 2010 at 3:52 pm
Just my humble opinion, but I think the quick progression of Morris to HC had alot to do with Tomlin (and some things falling his way of course). The bucs brass felt like they let a good one get away in Tomlin, a players coach who was young and someone the players could relate to. They didn’t want to make that same mistake again.
I know most of you think money is the real issue, but I choose to believe this because it makes me feel better. I hope I am right and that we see what management saw in Rah this year.
July 19th, 2010 at 3:57 pm
Gary it was Rah’s great speaking ability at press conferences that got him promoted so fast! 😉
July 19th, 2010 at 4:00 pm
@Joe: “six wins would pretty much lock up Raheem The Dream for another season.”
And it also would lock up blackouts for another season, continued pessimism, waning interest in the team.”
Due to the schedule, I disagree with Eric that we will win 0-2 games assuming that there are no devastating injuries like Talib, K2, Joseph etc. But I think a realistic over/under if 4.5. To me that is not acceptable.
Even for you optimist – wouldn’t you be more optimistic with a Cowher or John Fox or Dungy-type?
July 19th, 2010 at 4:10 pm
You all know, and I know that Rah is no Mike Tomlin.
Have you ever heard Tomlin speak publicly:? He is extremely bright in conveying understable thoughts and ideas. I am not saying that Rah isn’t bright but he is impossible to understand and if he speaks that way to his players now wonder they play so confused. This is a fatal flaw for a head coach in my opinion. I have said this before, position coaches can get away with this flaw b/c they can demonstrate – which Rah can do.
Imagine having a Pres who couldn’t clearly communicate ideas, well arguably we have had one!
July 19th, 2010 at 4:11 pm
@thomas: no derrrr we’d be more optimistic with dungy, john fox…the same john fox not expected to back with the kitties next year who’s team (with more experienced talent than us) has underwhelmed recently? um no thanks, and Cowher, due to the fact the years it would take to change our defense to a formiddable 3-4 would be the same number of years we are waiting for Raheem to get into his own in terms of coaching (here is where the descrepancy lies between supporters and haters), might as well stick with Raheem, unless there is something personal you don’t like about him (i wont even get started with the radio/ insults toward his intelligence and his early struggle with press conferences) and finally Cowher won 1 superbowl in like what 11 years? When Raheem gets to the last day of his 11th year and does not have a superbowl, then go ahead and give Cowher a call
July 19th, 2010 at 4:13 pm
@ thomas – not saying you insult him personally, that was more general
July 19th, 2010 at 4:15 pm
Eric, strabger things have happened, but at least you put it in writing…
Walsh went 2-14 and than with Montana went 6-10. Would you have fired him, like many in SF wanted to do? Evryone new he had succes as a C and a HC in college, but I bet you could find many that said he is not head coach in the NFL potential. Walsh went on to win 3 SB. I am not saying Morris is the next Walsh, but I am saying one season is not a larg enough body of work to be as sold on this team losin as you are. I agree the defensive players will most likely take a couple of years to grow into the position, but we have seen receivers come in and make an impact. We will also have a bteer view of the coaching staff after a year of working together in the same system, and not just thrown together at the last moment. Maybe Brown will end up great in Tampa, like AB revived his carreer here. Also, AB had rookie like numbers last year, his fault of not does not matter. If one rookie has a decent year, we are in the same boat as last year. All of the defense will be better, they are back in the proper system for them. Same with the running game and OL.
July 19th, 2010 at 4:20 pm
Dungy – 1 superbowl (2 if you wanna give gruden’s away to em, doubt any of the gruden slurpers would do that)
Fox – zero superbowls
and Raheem has 1 season (piss poor but progress towards the end) and you just wanna cast him off, give me a break, if you have like 1 more year to live (I don’t know how old any of you guys are) then go crazy trying to get a new coach, me? I’m just staying positive, supporting OUR coach, and havin faith it’ll work out, I like the last 2 drafts, I liked things I saw from Freeman as a 22 YEAR OLD! and I liked our defense down the stretch last year…and that’s enough for me
agree to disagree
July 19th, 2010 at 4:22 pm
John Fox will be fired after this season, IMO. Bill Cowher won one SB in 14 years, and he’s good but how good without Dick LeBeau??? Not very. Tomlin is a better speaker for sure, and a good coach, but I don’t consider him great yet. Let’s see how he does without the Rapist & Santonio. I don’t think as well. Raheem should be much improved, but we have to wait and see how it goes.
I like the Peewee Herman comment and sorry to repaet any of ac3, but it is what it is.
July 19th, 2010 at 4:23 pm
ac3: I understand. I do not mean to insult him personally but he is a major player in a public corporation and a public figure. he is not beyond criticism.
I actually think that he may be bright in terms of ideas, and I believe he is excellent at coaching DBs. That doesnt mean that you can run the ship as effectively the CEO.
July 19th, 2010 at 4:25 pm
Ok McBuc,
Good points. It may turn out as you suggest.
If I knew for sure what will happen in the NFL, I would be typing this message from my giant yacht in Bermuda in between training sessions with the Swedish Bikini team.
Sadly, that is not the case, and I am left with just posting my opinion, as flawed as it may be.
July 19th, 2010 at 4:26 pm
@ thomas – I understand, and hey, you and eric and the masses who do not support his hiring may be 150% correct that he is not a good nfl head coach, but any rational person knows that one season is not a large enough sourse of data to judge a man’s career on.
July 19th, 2010 at 4:27 pm
A3c I’ll agree to disagree with those who think Raheem is a good coach ok?
July 19th, 2010 at 4:29 pm
I’m not saying he’s a good coach, I’m saying one season is not a fair amount of time given the situation he was thrust in to…it’s really simple
July 19th, 2010 at 4:31 pm
either way…GO BUCS, i need to get back to work lol
July 19th, 2010 at 4:35 pm
I realy think you guys do not appreciate how tough it is to win the Super Bowl. I think the last one the Dolphins won was in 1974, 36 years ago! Think of all the good teams they have had over the years since 74, with marino and Shula and all the rest.
Its a damn hard thing to accomplish, everything has to fall in place perfectly. So when you say stuff like “only one Super Bowl”, it just seems silly to me. We have exacdltly one in 35 years. Many teams have none, or havent even played in the game.
If Rah ever gets one he will be an outstanding coach.
Dungy, Gruden, Cowher, all excellent coaches. Not on the Shula/Bellichick/Walsh/noll level, but damn good.
July 19th, 2010 at 4:50 pm
@ Eric…I like the old beer comercial refernece…I also agree with your last post. Although I do think Dungy is an elite defensive mind. Who knows, we may have won that SB with Dungy too. I am also a big fan of Grudens, the team that picks him up will be in good hands. I like BC as well, but I guess I may be a l;ittle supersticious, since no coach seems to be able to win a SB with two seperate teams, I say let him go somewhere else. Anyway, I am not on my yaught either, so I can not wait to here you say “ok, it was not as bad as I thought” at some point next year. Hopefully I will not be saying “yep, Eric was right”. Anyway, it has been fun, but I am headed to the gym and then a cold one.
July 19th, 2010 at 6:40 pm
Thomas continues with the comedy:
“I do not mean to insult him personally but he is a major player in a public corporation”
LOL. 🙂 🙂 I am going to go my Bucs stock tomorrow!!
July 19th, 2010 at 6:47 pm
Not publicly traded idiot. public corporation in terms of media consumed publicly. I should know that I have to be super-technical even on a blog for you Jimbuc.
July 19th, 2010 at 6:51 pm
@ eric
Agreed, just getting to a Super Bowl is impressive. Winning one is even more impressive. Just look at Andy Reid in Philly…. Even with the team he had for years making the playoffs, he only made the Super Bowl once, and Philly had NEVER won the Super Bowl. Where I disagree is that a coach that has been to the Super Bowl with one team is the best bet to take a different team there as well. That’s not necessarily the case, as is proven by how few coaches have won multiple Super Bowls, and none with multiple teams.
George Seifert is a prime example of a coach that won a Super Bowl, then went to Carolina and couldn’t do anything. His third season there, they were 1-15.
As for NFL head coach credentials? I didn’t realize you needed a masters degree in NFL head coaching. Every Head Coach that has ever been in the NFL had to be a rookie Head Coach at some point. Sure, some had Coordinator experience, some NCAA Head Coaching experience, but they all were rookie Head Coaches at some point. There are typically mistakes made by a rookie Head Coach, and even more if there is a rookie GM with the team as well.
As for the other points regarding the offense and defense, I’ve pointed out that the WR group we had in 1997 when we went 10-6 was not spectacular. Not a single WR on that team ever had a 1000 yard receiving season in their entire career, nor did any have 10 TDs in a season ever. But they still won games. Neither of us can predict what will happen this season, we can both show stats that back up our opinions. Fact is anything can happen.
July 19th, 2010 at 6:52 pm
Besides, truth is an absolute defense to a slander or defamation actions……………………. since Rah truly is a blithering idiot, its not actionable.
Unless you drew a jury with Jimbuc on it.
July 19th, 2010 at 6:54 pm
thomas
If public speaking is the main requirement for a head coach, then there’s a lot of people that never should have been head coaches. Not only that, I’d think the head of the Players Union would need to be more “well spoken” than a head coach, and have you heard HIM talk???
July 19th, 2010 at 6:59 pm
Bambambuc
I havent a clue what will happen.
I think Mr. Cowher deserves a little better than a George Seifert comparison! But, I admire the effort.
What can I say, I just can’t take this Rah guy seriously. He seems completely unique in his buffoonery.
Wish I felt different, but it is what it is.
July 19th, 2010 at 8:56 pm
Raheem is neither a good coach nor a bad coach. Raheem is not a coach period. Simple!
July 19th, 2010 at 9:04 pm
Actually, tampa2, he is a coach, he is the head coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers…. whether you like it or not. That is his title, and that is what he is.
Eric, the Seifert example was to show that some Super Bowl winning coaches go on to other teams and have horrible years. I can’t say that about Cowher, he hasn’t coached another team.
As for taking Morris seriously, only time will tell if he can change that mentality or not. As of now, he only has one bad year to base opinions upon, and for me that’s not enough time to make a judgment. I’m willing to at least get through 2010 and make an evaluation then. My basis for evaluation may be different than yours, that is understandable and acceptable. It’s not like we have any choice of how long he stays anyway, only a choice of what opinion we have of the guy. I’ll reserve my choice for a later date…. as of now, I’m not pro or anti-Morris or Dom.
July 19th, 2010 at 9:36 pm
The Stars really have to align to win the Superbowl. There are so many variables and things totally out of your control as a Coach.
I agree the jury may still be out on Morris, but I wouldn’t say the guy isn’t trying… to be his absolute best self.
On the flip side, it takes a great deal of faith to believe in a guy that can hardly make a coherent sentence, and creates new word meanings and sayings with every speech. In order to further believe, you have to figure that his job isn’t rocket science, he does have subordinates to perform most of the tasks for him, and sometimes there are those that can step in a huge pile of $hit and come out smelling like a rose. Raheem just might be that guy, but he’s already stunk up the place once, and if there is another $hitstorm that smells as bad, he’s going to be his very best self in Gruden’s FFCA.
July 19th, 2010 at 9:48 pm
I challenge anyone to name a rookie NFL head coach who screwed up as badly as The Dream.
I expect a rookie head coach to make some strategic decisions during a game their first year, but last year was a complete disaster: 1) relieved BOTH coordinators, 2) place kicking screw-up; 3) QB competition fiasco; 4) failed Jermaine Phillips experiment; 5) tried to change defensive scheme; 6) all capped off with a 3-13 losing record.
Remember this time last year, everything looked rosey and then all hell broke loose after training camp. So, saying The Dream is doing everything right so far this year is very premature — just wait for the bullets to start flying and we’ll see just how much he really learned from last year.
July 19th, 2010 at 9:54 pm
@Bambam wrote “That is his title, and that is what he is.”
That doesn’t mean that they are good or even deserving of that. Look at the current resident of 1600 Pennsylvania Ave.
Calling Raheem a head coach…gag me!
July 19th, 2010 at 10:02 pm
I’d have to admit that eric makes quite a case…
July 19th, 2010 at 10:07 pm
Cmcn BAMBAMBUC, that aint fair.
Cowher coached 14 years, 8 division titles, Super Bowl, confernce champinship, over .600 winning percentage. Those were “his” teams through and through.
Seifert was the caretaker for a Bill Walsh dynasty which had won four titles.
Anybody that would prefer Rah over him as head coach of the bucs is just a pure homer.
July 19th, 2010 at 10:09 pm
I have to admit Eric IS quite a case.
Lately it seems like every discussion here ends up the same.
July 19th, 2010 at 10:24 pm
Bigmacattack,
True enough, im looking forward to some football so we can actually discuss some games!
At least the Rays handled Baltimore tonite.
July 19th, 2010 at 10:31 pm
Actually, my therapist has informed me I need at least three Raheem Morris total meltdown rants per week on my road to recovery.
Thanks for providing the outlet Joe(s).
July 19th, 2010 at 10:46 pm
Eric, JUST three????
You lucky dog….My therapist made me go on vacation and prescribed daily Morris rants to avoid a total psychotic break….
July 19th, 2010 at 11:30 pm
The Lightning now have Gagne. Yea!! Go Lightning!
July 20th, 2010 at 12:20 am
Mr. Lucky…
Like it or not, he is the coach. Same as Obama is President, and Bush before that, and Clinton, and Carter, and Nixon, and…. Didn’t say good or bad, just that is the title, like it or not.
Morris, for better or worse, is a coach. tampa2 said “Raheem is not a coach period. Simple!”. That’s untrue, as he is a coach, a head coach, like it or not, good or bad.
July 20th, 2010 at 12:26 am
Eric,
I’m not disrespecting Cowher in any way. What he did in Pittsburgh was great. I’m just saying I have no basis of what he would do with another team, as he has not coached another team. He could have great success, or could fail. I don’t know, he hasn’t done it. What he did in Pittsburgh was great.
Some coaches have had success after leaving a team they led to a Super Bowl, but never won again. Some have failed miserably with a new team. But no coach has won a Super Bowl with 2 different teams. That’s not saying it can’t be done, of course it can…. if everything falls into place… which as you so eloquently pointed out isn’t easy.
July 20th, 2010 at 12:52 am
I was just looking at bucstop.com and he had an interesting comparison. Showing the 1996 team vs the 2010 team experience. There’s much concern about starting all these rookies. But there were only 2 players on the 1996 team that had over 5 years experience, and this team will have one (Barber). Other than that, both teams will (if both McCoy/Price and Benn/Williams start) have 5 players in their first or second year (includes Freeman and 1996 was Sapp/Brooks/Alstott/Upshaw/Abraham). Everyone else on the starting lineups should have 3-5 years experience. Basically, the teams are very similar in age and experience. The 1996 team was the beginning of our team turning the corner and becoming winners. Not saying this will happen the same way this time around, but once again…. it’s not out of the question. We have some great building blocks in that 3-5 year range. Tanard, Ruud, Williams, Joseph, Talib, etc.
Of course, he left out the O-line in that, so I’m not sure the age of starting O-line then and now, but ours is mostly 3-5 years now.
July 20th, 2010 at 7:15 am
Right, there are many similarities between the current Bucs and the 1996 Bucs. Problem is many here seem to think 2008 was 2002 despite the 9-7 record, four game collapse, 9 veteran purge etc.
July 20th, 2010 at 8:09 am
ok, well if there are that many similarities, we ought to see a 10-6 season this year, right?
July 20th, 2010 at 8:29 am
10-6 is quite possible with this schedule. Well, if we had Brett Favre.
July 20th, 2010 at 11:33 am
6-10 and they should erect a statue of Raheem Morris as tall as the Statue of Liberty in the middle of Tampa Bay.
July 20th, 2010 at 11:34 am
6-10 and Raheem Morris becomes the next member of the Buccaneers Ring of Honor.
I’m so excited ! 6 dash 10 baby !!
July 20th, 2010 at 12:50 pm
Raheem The Dream Should Return For 3rd Season?
The sad thing i see for us in this is only that if he “earns” his 3 rd season, it might be 3 seasons from now. We haven’t had this season yet, and from the sounds of the CBA talks we might not see next season either. So ” IF ” Coach Morris earns the prospect of being the Head Coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, that might not actually happen until his 4th season as a Head Coach.
I have read about and listened to the comments on Coach Morris’s lack of Communication skills, how many of the wall posters in here and other places have actually gotten up and had to speak before a group of 10-40-60 people? Some wall poster i believe might have actually done this in their job or meeting etc. How many of have had to give a speech then answer questions from the audience? I don’t think it is all that easy to do, can and will Coach Morris get better yes. It comes with experience.
Me i am looking at winning 7-8-9 games while losing 2-3 (Big losses(growing pains)) being competitive in the other games till the end.
Yeah the Kool-Aid is sure refreshing way out here in sunny Arizona..
July 20th, 2010 at 5:05 pm
Rusty…I actually do that for a living. I have been for a few years now, and my first year was the hardest. You are correct in your statements above.