Even Shaun King Laughs At Michael Clayton

May 5th, 2010

Joe isn’t sure there is a much nicer guy than former Bucs quarterback Shaun King. Joe has dealt with him several times, both as a Bucs quarterback and a high school offensive coordinator.

(True story: King nearly spit on Joe once on the sidelines in the middle of a game. It was in error; Joe almost walked into the line of fire, in so many words. King profusely apologized but Joe was laughing so hard at the near miss, King then too broke out laughing.)

So it was a bit surprising to Joe to hear King mock embattled Bucs wide receiver and blocking icon Michael Clayton yesterday. King, now a budding media star and blogger, co-hosts a radio show on WQYK-AM 1010 with Toby David called “King David.” (Hey guys, as Harvey Korman once famously said in Blazing Saddles, “Too Jewish.”)

The duo entertained St. Petersburg Times Bucs beat writer Stephen Holder and the subject turned to the Bucs passing game, specifically rookie wide receivers Arrelious Benn and Mike Williams. After some discussion, King stated, “Don’t forget Michael Clayton.”

Catching the sarcasm, Holder had a nervous snicker, being careful not say something out of turn, thus potentially having Clayton cut off Holder’s precious access to him, and acknowledged King’s one-liner when King busted out laughing.

This is the level that Clayton’s career has sunk: Not only have the Bucs drafted two wide receivers with high draft picks and all but announced the two will be given every opportunity to start, but a guy without a bad bone in his body has mocked Clayton on the public airwaves no less.

73 Responses to “Even Shaun King Laughs At Michael Clayton”

  1. d-money Says:

    I listened to his show the other day.

    It wasn’t bad, definatley an improvement over the other guys they had in that time slot.

  2. Joe Says:

    definatley an improvement over the other guys they had in that time slot.

    That guy from Arkansas was pathetic.

  3. Louie Says:

    I don’t know what the hell the Bucs are thinking to believe they can get a draft pick for Clayton. How naive!


  4. safety Says:

    Great stuff. IMHO, you’re dead right about how telling it is to have true nice guys bashing a player like Clayton. But the gem in this article is without question the Blazing Saddles reference. I love that flick.

  5. Raheem Morris Says:


  6. lightningbuc Says:

    While we all agree Clayton stinks, who the hell does Shaun King think he is making fun of other players. Someone who in 2006 was released by an Arena League team, then cut by a CFL team in 2007, and then fired by ESPN in ’09 should probably keep his sarcastic pie hole shut!

  7. Apple Roof Cleaning Says:

    If Ian Beckles can give his opinions, why not Shawn King ? I found his radio show by accident because 620 was taking about Golf, so I switched stations.
    I found his show interesting.

  8. Joe Says:


    Two things:

    1) Getting fired by the Bristol Bolsheviks is actually something to highlight on one’s resume. It’s hardly a detractor. In truth, Joe believes King was not fired; his contract just wasn’t re-upped.

    2) King accomplished more as a player than Clayton ever has.

  9. Eric Says:

    I may be wrong but I think King was QB in a year where the bucs finished pretty high in the offensive ranking, or at least higher than normal.

    Wonder what would have happened if Emmanuel had been deemed to have hung onto that ball? Or if Proehl hadn’t got that lucky touchdown?

    All of Bucdom might still be united behind Father Dungy!

    Sorry, drifted from the topic, but Shaun brings back some damn good bucs memories.

  10. lightningbuc Says:


    You do realize that King played in only 34 games in his entire NFL career and 22 of those were in his first two years. While Clayton certainly hasn’t accomplished much since his rookie season (except for perfecting his blocking skills), King was pretty much one and done also.

  11. Vince Says:

    Hell, Shaun King and Warrick Dunn combined to smack the Rams around when the Rams were good. Never had a problem with King.

  12. RahDomDaBest Says:

    King wasn’t very good at all… as a matter of fact, we lost because of him not being a good QB while our defense was humming with Nickerson et al…

    Anyway, Joe, you were on the sideline in a Bucs game? What did you do?

  13. Joe Says:


    Joe’s well-aware of King’s career. He still did more than Clayton.

  14. RahDomDaBest Says:

    “King nearly spit on Joe once on the sidelines in the middle of a game. It was in error; Joe almost walked into the line of fire, in so many words.”

    What did you do for the Bucs?

  15. RahDomDaBest Says:

    Is Joe a rock head?


  16. d-money Says:


    Say what you will but King did an admirable job as a rookie. He did enough to take his team to the NFC championship game.

    In the 2000 season (his second) he started every game had a 10-6 record threw for 18 touchdowns and 2700 yards and went to the playoffs.
    IF Josh Freeman matches that this season we will all call that a success.

    King may not have been the best QB but he wasn’t the reason we lost. That distinction goes to Mike Shula and Les Steckel.

  17. Joe Says:


    King may not have been the best QB but he wasn’t the reason we lost. That distinction goes to Mike Shula and Les Steckel.

    And… ? 🙂

  18. d-money Says:

    and….. the stubborn head coach who wouldn’t put together a real offense.

  19. Joe Says:

    and….. the stubborn head coach who wouldn’t put together a real offense.


  20. RahDomDaBest Says:

    If I recall wasn’t Trent Dilfer the QB who got most of our wins that year we went to the NFC Championship?

    Lets all be honest, the offense was the problem.

    I say the QB was sub-par (even though a rookie… he was sub-par and PROVED to be sub-par throuout his career)… AND I also agree about the OC and Dungy being too loyal… of course Dungy could have been limited in power by McKay.

    But make no mistake, Shaun King wasn’t that good… nice guy, I like him and would listen to him talk sports… he seems pretty smart too… I’d even take him over Raheem Morris as HC, but he wasn’t that good of an NFL QB.

  21. Joe Says:


    Of course King wasn’t “that good” but he did more with and in his NFL career than Clayton.

  22. RahDomDaBest Says:


    Yes, however, if Clayton were to have another 1,000 receiving year then all of a sudden he is more successful than King.

    Of course, finding someone to throw “Money in the Bank” the ball now seems far-fetched.

    Didn’t John McKay tell one of his players to not drop the check like he does the passes on Sunday? Notice how Clayton didn’t drop the check.

  23. d-money Says:


    The difference is this…

    Clayton has tons of talent and ability and does nothing with it.

    King had a little talent and ability and got the most out of it he could.

  24. RahDomDaBest Says:

    Clayton isn’t very talented by NFL standards for WRs if he can’t catch a football.

    Don’t tell me what the difference is… you are the genius who said Shaun King did an admirable job… I sure as heck didn’t admire him! The guy was a HUGE reason we lost to Philly. 2700 yds is barely avg. We had a running game, a great defense, it was our passing game that stunk. Blame the o-line, blame the OC… but you HAVE to blame the QB too. Why? Because he didn’t do anything else in his career in the NFL.

    At least Dilfer went on to win a Super Bowl… the guy we got rid of. And yes, it was the Raven’s defense… I understand that, but so it was with the Bucs and those winning seasons… ALL defense, and NO offense. It wasn’t until Brad Johnson came along did we do a little something… then, yes, Gruden came and he went out and got McCardel and Joe Jerivicous… that was coupled with our GREAT defense and we win a Super Bowl.

  25. oar Says:

    Well, first of all there is the Ole Bucs ex-QB to the SuperBowl Curse that exists. It started with Doug Williams then to Steve Young. From Young it went to Trent Dilfer and then to 2 other ex-QB’s that went to the Big Show but didn’t win, Chris Chandler and Steve Deberg(as a back-up).

    Secondly, not much more to say about Michael “could’nt catch a cold, if he licked the walk-in clinic’s floor” Clayton!

  26. tampa2 Says:

    If memory serves me, Shawn King couldn’t lead a receiver. he always threw where the receiver was at the time of release, thus way behind the the running receiver. Nice guy though. I think he came from the Fishbowl.
    (it’s a neighborhood)

  27. JimBuc Says:

    Strange disconnect on this Board. Yesterday, the Board was awash with comments that Gruden sucked and that the Bucs only won the Super Bowl because of the defense. Today, a bunch of people looking back fondly at the pathetic offenses that lost several Super Bowls? Not sure how we reconcile the two.

  28. JimBuc Says:

    Before all you crazy “strict constructionists” start screaming, by saying the offenses lost several Super Bowls I mean we did not get to Super Bowls we should have becasue the offenses sucked,

    (Whew, saved us a bunch of nonesense by clearing that up myself)

  29. thomas Says:

    It doesnt sound to me like anyone has suggested that King was Joe Montana.

    But statistically he was far superior to Freeman as a rook:

    King -61% 7td,,4int and 82,4 rating;
    Freeman – 54% 10td, 18 int and 59 rating;

    And dont argue that the offense was more talented b/c you idiots argued repeatedly how bad the offense was then – particularly the o-line which is much better now.

    Sorry to burst all you sheeps bubble re: Freeman, so far he isnt Shaun King. King also had a pretty good second year 18 td, 13 int and a 76 rating. Well see what the FRANCHISE accomplishes this year

  30. Eric Says:


    I gota disagree with you on that one, IMO the offense was more talented when King played, and it is a lot easier on the QB when you had that fabulous bucs defense.

    I mean c’mon, Alstott, Dunn. Way better than caddy/Ward. They had some weapons on the offense and could run the ball.

    The o-lines are probably comparable, maybe even a slight edge to the current one.

    I think Freeman gets a little slack. But, those INT’s have to come down this year for him to be deemed improved. Could be a tough task with rookie wideouts, but we shall see.

  31. thomas Says:


    Were you here then? The media print and talk the fans etc were blasting the offense in philosophy for being too predictable (which makes it hard on a qb). The 3 top receivers were hurt emmanuel, quez green and reidel anthony. They were 27th out of 31 teams in scoring. alstott and dunn totaled 1500 rushing, not too far off from Caddy and Ward. The o-line is better now agreed.

    The D being much better helps you win games of course, may give you a small advantage with better field position but I standby the argument that this O should be better than the 99. However, King had the advantage of legit head coaching / leadership

  32. Eric Says:


    Yea I was here. I remember the endless o-coordinator bashing leading to the Glazers replacing Mike Shula at some point.

    Actually, now that you added that last line I am pretty much in agreement. Legit coaching goes along way.

    Id also forgotten how lousy those number one round draft choice receivers were.

    Maybe Freeman aint Shaun King! Interesting comparison.

    he did do better than Dilfer though, I think.

  33. JimBuc Says:

    Thomas — your comment it proof of the fallacy of statistics. Useless without context. Freeman’s rookie season the Bucs were a 3-13 doormat. King’s rookie season the Bucs were 11-5 Division champs, right?

  34. thomas Says:

    Agreed – Freeman is leaps and bounds better than Dilfer now, and probably then when Freeman was 12.
    These guys who think Dilfer had anything to do with the Ravens winning the super bowl is completely clueless. Even the head coach thought that Dilfer was almost responsible for risking that all-time great D a super bowl and replaced him for Elvis Grbac the next season – Elvis Grbac.

    Dilfer could barely play catch in the yard!

  35. JimBuc Says:

    Thomas — let me give you a reality check on your King/Freeman comparison. You tell me when to stop. As I mentioned King came on late to start on an 11-5 Division championship team with an incredible defense. Let’s check out the games:

    Week 13: Minnesota Vikings (won 24-17)
    Shaun King made his first start against division rival Minnesota on Monday Night Football. The Buccaneers jumped out to a 7-0 lead after Donnie Abraham intercepted Jeff George for a 55-yard touchdown return. King passed for only 93 yards, but threw two touchdowns. Minnesota dominated the first half, but four first half drives into Tampa Bay territory came up empty.

    Think he got a little help from the D and running game and playing with a lead (due to the D).

    Hold please.

  36. JimBuc Says:

    King/Freeman comparison continued:

    King played well in big game against Detroit, but then came Oakland:

    Tampa Bay’s franchise record six consecutive wins came to a screeching halt, as the Oakland Raiders trounced the Buccaneers 45-0. The Buccaneers were held to under 30 yards rushing, while Shaun King suffered mightily. The Raiders intercepted King once, returned a King fumble for a touchdown, sacked King four times, and took a 21-0 lead into halftime

  37. JimBuc Says:

    King in Week 16 — does this sound naything like the situation that Freeman walked into:

    Week 16: Green Bay Packers (won 29-10)
    On the day after Christmas, Tampa Bay hosted Green Bay in a key division game. Four Packers turnovers turned into 20 Buccaneers points.

    Three Gramatica field goals established a 9-0 lead, but Green Bay took the lead 10-9 at halftime. In the fourth quarter, Mike Alstott’s two touchdown runs put the game out of reach for Green Bay

  38. Eric Says:


    Was there really a big personel difference offensively between the 2008 and 2009 bucs? Obviously at QB, but most of the “purging” took place on the defensive side of the ball.

    A lot of the offensive components were the same, o-line, caddy, AB, Clayton about the same level of crappiness. Dunn was here in 08, but not really a contributor. Galloway was basically benched.

    So, why the big drop off statistically between 08 and 09? AB’s bum knee could account for some of it, but isn’t it because of Garcia v. Freeman/leftwich/johnson?

  39. JimBuc Says:

    Thomas — there is more, but don’t want to waste the space. No offense, but the King/Freeman comparison is stupid (when taken in context)

  40. thomas Says:

    I think that I conceded that the team and hence King’s record of wins and losses was helped tremendously by the D and some benefit with field position.

    Next I recall against Carolina, I believe this year, that the D kept turning them over in their plus territory three or four times only to have Freeman give it right back with picks – I believe 5 in total.

    So that is one example of Freeman not being able to capitalize on defenseive help like King did in your first example.

  41. JimBuc Says:

    Eric — you are joking right? In 09 the Bucs had no offense or at least they ran different offenses that they never had an offseason to implement. Olson started with a version of Jagz offense. Once teams learned (after game 1- lol) that all they had to do was stop the Bucs run game, the offense collapsed and Lefty was pulled for Johnson, which caused another change in offense to a psuedo-Gruden offense. All of this with a line running an alien zone blocking system. On top of all of that the Bucs had no defense giving up big play over and over, so add in the turnovers and they were always behind.

    So, personnel was different but more importantly team in total disarray. It does not matter if the components are the same if they are runnign on completely different systems. Put gas in a Ferrari and it goes real fast, put corn oil in the same Ferrari, not so much.

  42. thomas Says:

    and yes, I agree that offensive drop-off was mostly the qb play. But when the 99 bucs switched qb’s and kept everything else the same king went 6-2 and took them to the nfc title game – i.e. made them better.

    look at garcia’s numbers vs. Freeman’s – clearly he was superior with much of the same supporting cast.

    Dont get me wrong, I do not hate Freeman, I am just not sure about him, and at this point in King’s career I was probably more optimistic and we know how things turned out. I love Freeman’s size – which matters today – I don’t love his accuracy, mechanics – I like his demeanor late in games.

  43. JimBuc Says:

    Thomas — as I said to you a few days ago, no sense in carrying on any discussion with you. Your stretch to save your comparison is silly, almost as silly as the orginal comparison. No offense

  44. JimBuc Says:

    Thomas said:

    “. . . at this point in King’s career I was probably more optimistic and we know how things turned out”

    Hello . . . King came on at the height of Tampa’s defensive dominence. Freeman took over the worts team in football with arguably the worst defense. C’mon, enough already.

  45. JimBuc Says:

    Thomas said:

    “look at garcia’s numbers vs. Freeman’s – clearly he was superior with much of the same supporting cast.”

    See my response to Eric. Even if you accept the premise that “much of the supporting cast was the same,” wasn’t just about everything else different? Garcia a veteran running a Gruden offense that he was very familiar with as compared to Freeman runing an Olson offense that was drawn up in the dirt on a horrible team etc.

    This is getting old . . .

  46. Eric Says:

    “Eric — you are joking right”

    Well not entirely no, but partially.

    I was only pointing out that, on paper, there was little difference between the 2008 bucs offense and the 2009 bucs offense. except for the QB position. I am right about that arent I. If not, what were the big personnel differences?

    o-line same, RB’s comparable, Wideouts the same minus the unused and unhappy Galloway.

  47. Eric Says:

    In fact, JImbuc, wasn;t the 2009 offense even alittle better personell wise than 2008, with the good addition of K-2?

  48. thomas Says:

    We agree about plays essentially being drawn up in the dirt.

    But isnt your defense of Freeman causing you to blast Rah, Freeman and Dom?

    Sounds like it to me. Yes I agree that it is a stretch to say that Garcia to Freeman is oranges to oranges b/c of the coaching situation. But many around here didnt like garcia so my general point is offensive talent was comparable, o-line was better for freeman or at least more experienced and neither had much in terms of wr weapons. Gruden trumps the idiots we have now for sure.

  49. thomas Says:

    I meant Rah, Olson and Dom

  50. thomas Says:

    Good point eric I forgot about K2

  51. JimBuc Says:

    Eric — “on paper” you and I are both Buc fans, but we are a little different aren’t we?

  52. JimBuc Says:

    Thomas — you should know a thing or two about idiots. (Sorry, couldn’t resist)

  53. thomas Says:

    Correct! I have to debate with them repeatedly on this blog. but I thoroughly enjoy it.

    I cant wait for the season! I think we might win 4 games. If we dont win 6-7 with that schedule I will be even more NEGATIVE.

  54. JimBuc Says:

    You keep thinking that Thomas. You (and your special friend) are the smart one. King>Freeman.

  55. Eric Says:


    I think we are, but of course any buccaneer fan is a friend of mine.

    But, back to my point:

    Given the fact that the personel of the 2008 and 2009 bucs, “on paper” was very similar, and it is uncontroverted that the 2009 offense played far worse than the 2008 offense, the difference lies in the offensive coaching. 2008 Gruden, 2009 “Rah” and his “disarray”.

    So, the inevitable “collapse” that people talk of from the 2008 team, at least offensively, did not have to occur with adequate coaching.

    Fair enough?

  56. thomas Says:

    King > than Freeman after year 1., probably year 2, well see about 3.

  57. Eric Says:


    Who wins between year one Freeman and year one Vinny T?

  58. JimBuc Says:

    Thomas — sorry but you are too dumb for words, so no more from me.

    Eric — the 2008 collapse did happen and it happend due to players not coaching (except maybe for Monte’s departure). The 2009 debacle was more an institutional failure (owner down to coach) than a player failure.

    (I guess you could also say that the 2008 collapse was the result of institutional failure, at least to the extent that the Bucs never developed replacement players, which led to the collapse)

  59. Eric Says:


    Fair enough analysis. I don’t disagree with most of it.

    But I think the 2008 collapse was more defensive in nature, as the offensive stats were decent and better than the prior year(s) i think. Can’t really blame the 2008 collapse Carolina, Oakland and Chargers games on the offense, but the Atlanta game one could.

    Is there any reason to think that the offensive collapse between 2008 and 2009 would have occured had there been no coaching change?

  60. thomas Says:

    Freeman or Vinny, very tough call. Vinny could play but it took him a little while to develop. Freeman had moments. I will reserve judgment.

    Jimbuc – you are an idiot. You want to talk about this player development deal – look at the 6 drafts that preceded the superbowl – very little in the way of return. Except regan upshaw, marcus jones, reidel anthony, quez green, (warrick dunn – okay), alstott, jerry wunsh, booger, shaun king, cosey coleman, kenyatta walker. All 1st and 2nd round picks – only alsttott was a key super bowl contributor.

    So your draft and develop institutional responsibility argument fails b/c dungy and mckay drafted horribly for 6 straight years and then won a super bowl. Gruden sustained success afterward even with all those bad drafts and some of his own.

  61. JimBuc Says:

    Eric — The 2008 collapse was defense. With no coaching change there is no offensive collapse in 09 because the collapse was caused by the coaching/GM change. That’s why there is an argument that the Bucs should have kept Gruden and made Morris the new D-coordinator.

    However, what happens after a mediocre to above-average 2009? Gruden/Allen were not fired because they could not win more games than their replacement in 2009, they were fired because they presided over the team as it declined from SB champ to 08 collapse.

  62. JimBuc Says:

    Thomas — where did Sapp and Brook and Lynch and Barber come from? You are a strange dude.

    How about this one — why do the Bucs suck now? Because they gave up 2 1st round picks for Key, how many more for Gruden? Missed on almost ever draft pick after the 2nd round and most 1st (Adams) and 2nd rounders too (Jackson). Might want to stop smoking whatever it is you are smoking.

    Gruden was a great coach, so much so that he masked the decline of the Bucs

  63. Eric Says:


    Agreed on those points sir.

    BTW, I am a big Freeman supporter and hope he is the answer we have been waiting a longggggggggggggggggggg time for at that position.

    Dang near since 76, a guy who could be here for years. Had one in Doug, let him become an Oklahoma Outlaw. Otherwise mixed results at best.

  64. JimBuc Says:

    Thomas — 2002 starting defense had 9/10 draft picks or undrafted players right?

    DBs — Lynch, Jackson, Barber, Kelly — all drafted
    LBs –Brooks, Singelton and Quarles (all drafted except Quarles who was undrafted)
    DL — McFarland (Darby) and Sapp — all drafted (Rice andSpires FA)

    Do you have anymore well-thought out arguments?

  65. JimBuc Says:

    I agree Eric. If you had to pick the big flaw in the Gruden/Allen years it was no franchise QB. To their defense, they did not have many premium picks due to Key trade and Gruden deal.

    I think Freeman actually struggles this year but goes on to big things

  66. Eric Says:


    I don’t think developing the franchise guy was in Gruden’s nature. He may have gotten a bit skewed when he did so well with Gannon at Oakland.

    I think he pretty much liked to have the veteran QB to run his offense. I suspect had he stayed it would likely have been somebody like McNabb or even Vick at the helm, and Josh would not have been drafted.

    But, I am sure you agree that a lot of very good and even Super Bowl teams have taken that approach also. But the big “dynasties” have had the franchise guy I suppose.

  67. drdneast Says:

    Clanghands is a cancer. Cut him out. Everyone on the team knows he is the lockerrom snitch and don’t want anything to do with him. Once a guy starts ratting people out (Gruden) people know there is no reason why they won’t be the next ones on the list.

  68. JimBuc Says:

    Eric, I think you are right about Gruden and right that Super Bowl teams have had non-franchise QBs (but they usually had something else going for them, such as a great D). I think you are also right that the “dynasties” usually have franchise guys. Not saying the Bucs are even close to being a dynasty (let alone a winning team) but they are following the dynasty model, as much as it is maddening to many.

    Dom took over a mess. He made some mistakes that compunded the problem, buit he also made some moves that could be part of the turnaround, the biggest one being Freeman (Morris gets credit there too). If Freeman turns out to be great (I know that is a big “if”), the Bucs could be competitive for the next ten years.

    We shall see.

    Maybe after about year 9 of Freeman Thomas will quietly whisper to his imaginary friend that he always knew Freeman was better than King. 🙂

  69. d-money Says:


    You obviously can’t read or just pick and choose what you want to out of my comments.

    I never said SHaun KIng was great QB. He was a second round pick that was undersized and no one expected him to do anything but he did take his team to an NFC championship and the playoffs again in his second season.

    And yes it was admirable that a guy with subpar skills.was able to do what he did in the short time that he was here. He didnt lose games for us he did what you would expect a rookie QB to do.

    And FYI 2700 yards and 18 TD’s may be “barely average” to you but for a second year QB that has no talent as you say. i’d say that is…again..admirable.

    And yes Michael clayton has tons of ability and hasnt done anything with it. Just because he doesnt put his abilities to use doesnt mean its not there. THe NFL is littered with players with tons of talent that dont put in the effort and put it to good use…GENIUS.

  70. Eric Says:


    I think you need to add some vast improvement by the HC to the formula, and the owners stepping up to the plate along the way.

    As you are aware, the first part of that is where my skepticism arises. and just cause i am being a little diplomatic don’t mean I am accepting no 3-13 in 2010!

  71. JimBuc Says:

    Eric — understandable. I think Morris has shown he can coach (players still competing, defensive improvment) but it is an open question whether he can be an effective HEAD coach. I don’t share your concern about the ownership, but I understand it. In fact, I will be right there with you if the owners don’t “step up to the plate” once the CBA and revenue sharing are resolved.

  72. RahDomDaBest Says:

    Can’t wait for the Bucs to play the season… I can’t wait for the excuses this year! anyone care to guess them?

  73. foxworth Says:

    i provide pressure cleaning service for michael clayton ,my opoinion of him as a person is high becouse i know him, we should remember that when we make comments that we are not just talking about a sport we are talking about a son a dad a brother ect and should be more proffessional when doing our job exspecialy when your supposed to be a role modle yourself lets get back on topic ,,,, that was foot ball right ?