Peter King: “Worrisome Case For The Bucs”
November 20th, 2017
America’s Quarterback, Jameis Winston, continues to draw the national spotlight to his world littered by bad luck, bad decisions and bad communication.
Sports Illustrated/NBC Sports heavyweight Peter King chimed in this morning in his renowned Monday Morning Quarterback column.
California train-romancing, anti-football proliferation, outhouse-admiring, airline-napping, steerage-flying, Yogi Berra-worshiping, urinal picture-taking, video game-playing, Taylor Swift-listening, pickpocket-thwarting, Bucs-uniform-frowning, Allie-LaForce-smitten, Big-Ten-Network-hating, pedestrian-bumping, olive oil-lapping, popcorn-munching, coffee-slurping, fried-chicken-eating, oatmeal-loving, circle-jerking, craft beer-chugging, cricket-watching, scone-loathing, college football-naïve, baseball-box-score-reading, NPR-honk, filthy-hotel-staying, fight-instigating, barista-training, social activist King says Team Glazer is in a tough spot and the new crotch-grabbing accusation against Jameis, true or false, is a potential third strike for a 23-year-old guy with a past.
I think this is what it comes down to for Jameis Winston: He was drafted with two strikes, like it or not. Whatever happened with the Uber driver in Arizona last year (Buzz Feed reports that a female Uber drive claims Winston grabbed her crotch during a late-night ride; he denies it, passing it off on people he was with that night), Winston cannot afford to be implicated in any sexual incidents. No matter what happens in this case, he‘s rekindled the “aha!” sentiment among those who believe Winston was guilty of sexual assault while at Florida State. He deserves to be judged innocent until the driver’s claims are investigated. But this is a worrisome case for the Bucs. Winston cannot give any reason for this organization to doubt their decision to trust him to be a long-term quarterback and face-of-the-franchise player.
King, for a change, summed it up pretty well.
Jameis simply had to take every possible precaution to avoid toxic situations for himself once he became a Buccaneer. And he failed. Fair or unfair, guilty or innocent, Jameis is now mired in a mess, which he had to avoid at all costs.
And, as Joe wrote earlier, Jameis apparently not letting the Bucs know what he was accused of in March 2016 was a massive error in judgment and one that goes against what players are advised by team and league officials when they are drafted.
November 20th, 2017 at 9:36 am
this entire situation is just fishy…..why not call the police as soon as it happened?…or even the next day….but to wait a year…C’MON MAN!!!!
if it comes out that’s he’s innocent, this lady need to do the max in jail….GO BUCS!!!!
November 20th, 2017 at 9:37 am
Jameis, I’m a big fan of his play but his judgement, on and off the field, seems to be suspect AF. I want the best for this team but if the “leader” isn’t able to lead, then he should not be in the position to. Sit down somewhere, eat some humble pie and REFLECT on what it means to be a MAN which is required to lead other men.
November 20th, 2017 at 9:38 am
I have been a very harsh critic on Winston since he was drafted but something stinks about this. We live in a trending world where everyone wants to oversaturate events through 24hr news and social media. With all the actresses and celebrities coming out with accusations it doesn’t surprise me if an uber driver wants to jump on board. Sounds like there was no camera and there’s no proof so well see if it all goes away or if the NFL over reacts like so many other companies and punishes Jameis just for PR.
November 20th, 2017 at 9:41 am
This needs to be resolved quickly and can if Darby cooperates…..there should be other evidence that they were together that night.
If Jameis was alone…..he should have insisted on a male driver or used a private service…..unfair…..sure, but Jameis’ history dictates cautious behavior from him.
November 20th, 2017 at 9:43 am
I don’t believe Jameis is guilty of the accusation but I do believe that he is guilty of poor decisions and immaturity. Unfortunately he made his own bed.
November 20th, 2017 at 9:43 am
It was absolutely not an error in judgement – again, this seems to really imply a lack of accountability on the part of Jameis and his handlers. What’s more likely? That Jameis and his crew made an honest mistake, or that they knew exactly what they were doing? I think he believed he and his people could make it go away quietly, so they didn’t inform the Bucs. Easier to do that than explain to your employers why you found yourself in trouble again, with the same crew…AGAIN.
November 20th, 2017 at 9:44 am
Even if he is innocent, the fact that he is involved in a situation like this with his history could be damning enough.
November 20th, 2017 at 9:44 am
Peter King is a jackazz. He says/writes it; I ignore it. This does smell fishy just like the Al Franken/Playboy cover girl addition to Gropergate. Glad I stay clear of both Twitter and Facebook.
November 20th, 2017 at 9:51 am
Just when I thought it was safe to come back because all the negative articles that were here were clearing up, this happens and the website is overrun with articles about it.
Let me save you some time, Joe…we already know everyone outside of Tampa will turn on Jameis. They did it before he was drafted. We don’t want to hear about it 10 times a day. I realize our ‘wants’ do not control what you post, but I’m hoping we can appeal to you. Just bunch all these things in one post…sort of a ‘Jameis Watch’ article or something.
Please?
November 20th, 2017 at 9:53 am
Fishy situation or not.. Glazer will soon be deciding if they are going to shell out over a 100 million to this guy…. Winston needs to just sit his butt at home and focus on his career…. He and the Glazers both cannot afford this nonsense.
November 20th, 2017 at 9:55 am
Where there’s smoke there’s fire. He’s either a serial offender or likes to hang out with them, either way… not face of the franchise material. Another Licht failure. Glazers must be thinking like us all, didn’t Jason vet this guy?!
November 20th, 2017 at 9:56 am
Curious to see if this drags on, would the Bucs consider drafting a QB?
November 20th, 2017 at 9:59 am
Very well said ChanEpic!
November 20th, 2017 at 9:59 am
I am sick and tired of people questioning Jameis’ judgement.
You do realize that until this came out, we all thought he was a great person off the field since being drafted???? And this happened before the draft in 2016!
If he is innocent, then you cannot say he did a single thing wrong. You cannot say he should have insisted on a male driver. You know how silly that is?
If he is innocent, he did everything right.
The DRIVER is the one who did something wrong if she is lying. She probably recognized his name on the account and figured to make some money.
The fact that SHE LIED about him being the only one in the car, the fact that Darby has stated it never happened and that he was there too, along with another man, and the fact that the Uber message clearly stated that they needed to talk to him about the actions of himself OR ANOTHER PERSON IN THE CAR…means Jameis is 100% innocent.
He did nothing wrong at all.
November 20th, 2017 at 10:01 am
This is worrisome. Innocent until proven guilty, but in the court of public opinion, Winston doesn’t seem to realize he is and will be a target. Why, if innocent of rape, did his attorney advise him to settle? A jury may have found him guilty? Was it cheaper than the possible outcome of a jury trial? That payoff put doubt in my mind. Now this. Winston seems to lack good judgment both on and off the field. I hope this all works out, but in the meantime, sit the kid, play the veteran and hope for the best.
November 20th, 2017 at 10:02 am
One thing for sure. Jameis Winston don’t have to prove anything. She has to prove that he did it.
November 20th, 2017 at 10:05 am
These women are trying to get paid..period!! They are like running backs who see the hole open briefly and try to run thru it. By Now, Jameis should know. He’s vernerable to women who got his number. He should just sit home with the attractive girlfriend he has and feast on Crab legs!!! Thes players can build unimaginable mansions with amenities that don’t even require them to leave home. If I were Jameis, I would not settle this one like he did the last. Settlement only creates doubt in the public eye. Fight this money grabber in court!
November 20th, 2017 at 10:06 am
If he don’t play for the Bucs. You can bet your last dollar that he will be playing somewhere!
November 20th, 2017 at 10:08 am
The rooney’s stuck with Big Ben…. Think about it
November 20th, 2017 at 10:13 am
Fake news
November 20th, 2017 at 10:16 am
I usually don’t like to weigh-in on he said, she said allegations unless there are some cold hard facts supporting the accuser. Considering the ever intensifying climate on the news cycle related to sexual harassment and worse the environment is ripe for for ever increasing incidents. I fully believe that if proven guilty the offender should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. The only safe rout as mentioned above is for male celebrities to avoid any and all situations where they are vulnerable to such accusations. Fame and fortune has it’s downside.
November 20th, 2017 at 10:18 am
@Rashad – we’re all adults so I’m sure this doesn’t come as a surprise but Big Ben’s record was a smidge better then than Jameis’ is now. Winning changes EVERYTHING.
November 20th, 2017 at 10:18 am
This gal now has a lawyer….next strategy will be to bring in the police….then you’re looking at obstruction of justice charges….assuming he didn’t do it but is simply not cooperating. No matter your view point on guilt/innocence…..the way he handled this is awful and has to be a punch in the gut for ownership, Licht, Koetter and the team.
November 20th, 2017 at 10:29 am
Bonzai
He did NOT do everything right and his innocence or guilt is actually irrelevant!!!
Doing everything right would not have included hanging out drunk at 2AM with a posse who had videotaped him having sex with an drunk girl who may or may not have consented to the sex…do you believe she consented to being videoed…this is not contested btw..it is a FACT..Darby was part of an incident that almost cost Jameis his spot at the top of the draft!!!
If Jameis must party drunk at 2AM bring a bodyguard not a moronic posse like Darby. BTW if Darby actually cooperates he’ll have to turn over phone records and if forensic evidence shows…as in GPS from his phone that he was NOT in that car…then both Darby and Jameis should be out of the league tomorrow.
If OTOH Darby is proven to have been in that car by GPS the girl’s story falls apart.
At this point I do not care about Jameis’ guilt or innocence. I have seen enough. He does not inspire confidence. Joe made a critical point…the fact that Jameis did not tell the team a year ago is just beyond STOOOPID. It reveals a horrible character flaw. People who trusted Jameis were hung out to dry. Did I not read that Koetter learned of it from media reports on Friday?
Jameis clearly has issues that are no longer worth messing with….how could he betray the people who trusted him? If he had told the Bucs they would have gotten ahead of this with professionals instead of the morons Jameis has advising him.
I do not even want to think if any of this is true. Jameis has an engaging personality and I want to continue liking him personally and IF he actually did this….don’t even want to think about it.
But innocent of the sexual allegations…a year’s worth of silence and keeping this from the team make him untrustworthy at worst…at best…just really really stoopid saddled with some of the worst judgement imaginable.
I no longer care about guilt or innocence…about bad breaks in life…what Fameis has surrendered is trust…not telling the team for a year!!! He’s surrendered confidence.
At the start of this season it was all roses. Prospects for this year good but barring some injury we all felt great being set for more than a decade at the most important position on the team. We had a FRANCHISE QB.
Do we still feel that? How many are willing to bet the farm that #3 is our future QB? Not questioning his talent…although his on field judgement is not much better than off.
This happened over a year ago and so how many can even swear that during the interim there is not another situation where at minimum Jameis exposed himself to a gold digger?
November 20th, 2017 at 10:35 am
Reality Check: The truth, as of this posting, seems to be that if JW is fortunate enough to clear himself of these charges the Bucs and their fans still have a dilemma. Good vs, Great. Jameis is a good QB. Sometime even a very good QB.
All the GREAT QB’s play better consistently (thus far) than JW over the course of a season.
GREAT QB’S have better decision making, better down field accuracy and hit their receivers in stride more often. Yes, Jameis has made some amazing throws. Yes, Jameis has put together some fantastic drives. But it’s clear he’s still not there yet when you look at his performance for a full season.
Because he’s the best QB we’ve ever had the Bucs will probably sign him to a huge contract and we all will get to see if he can get to that next level.
I fear he won’t quite get there and we’ll be forced to watch him play some amazing games but also let us down just enough to not make the playoffs or be 1 and done if we do.
I am ABSOLUTELY willing to be wrong but at this point, I don’t see it.
Of course it takes a whole team and we still need help with the O line, DE, probably RB and a few other defensive positions. Every team needs help somewhere every year! And YES, play calling on both sides needs to improve as well. However…even as hard a Jameis works at his craft (and I commend him greatly for that) I fear he’s probably never going to get to the next level and we’ll be tied to an “almost” QB and pass up on more than one in the coming drafts.
If Jameis stays, is cleared of wrong doing, and stays that way I will hope I am wrong every Sunday! If he is not cleared, should we draft a QB in 2018?
November 20th, 2017 at 10:41 am
Our idiotic franchise will run him out of town and he’ll end up winning someplace else. Seen this one before.
November 20th, 2017 at 10:41 am
I feel sorry for you young single guys. Better lawyer up before you try to get any poon or you’re sure to create a “toxic environment.”
November 20th, 2017 at 10:41 am
Well said as usual SPBF
November 20th, 2017 at 10:42 am
Rashad Says:
November 20th, 2017 at 10:08 am
The rooney’s stuck with Big Ben…. Think about it
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There’s no loyalty in TB.
There’s too many in the media with their own agenda. I heard Michael Clayton call a local editor a liar essentially. Those who don’t like Jameis for whatever reason will pound their drum and use all their tools to run him out of town.
But imo you don’t have to work that hard. JW can only dream of being cut and I’m more than positive that he is gone ASAP. Then everyone will get what they deserve.
November 20th, 2017 at 10:44 am
ChanEpic Says:
November 20th, 2017 at 10:18 am
@Rashad – we’re all adults so I’m sure this doesn’t come as a surprise but Big Ben’s record was a smidge better then than Jameis’ is now. Winning changes EVERYTHING.
^^^ Good point, but JW ain’t winning. This year was a terrible year for JW, he took steps backwards in that all important 3rd year. He went Josh Freeman 2.0 on us. Big Ben was winning super bowls JW is winning lawsuits. Big difference.
November 20th, 2017 at 10:48 am
SPBF
if forensic evidence shows…as in GPS from his phone that he was NOT in that car…then both Darby and Jameis should be out of the league tomorrow.
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Is this now a criminal investigation? Wouldn’t you need a warrant to go through their phones? And who/how exactly do you view gps data from 20 months ago?
November 20th, 2017 at 10:55 am
DB55
No it’s still in the court of public opinion but the NFL has a heavy hand in that court.
I’m not suggesting that anybody subpoena Darby’s phone records. I’m reporting that Clune the attorney has already contacted the NFL and their investigation and pointed out that Darby CHOSE to insert himself in this case and that the NFL investigation should now also check out Darby….including his phone GPS records.
The NFL has no subpoena power either but again in the court of public opinion wouldn’t Darby be assumed to volunteer those records? If Darby has GPS evidence that he was in that car then the case is OVER…slam dunk..the girls is insisting that Jameis was alone so evidence to the contrary would end her story’s credibility.
November 20th, 2017 at 10:58 am
Well he is from Alabama
November 20th, 2017 at 10:58 am
This year was a terrible year for JW, he took steps backwards in that all important 3rd year. He went Josh Freeman 2.0 on us. Big Ben was winning super bowls JW is winning lawsuits. Big difference.
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Big Ben was winning bc of his defense and hof running back. Gimme a break.
You watched a team almost lose a game to a sorry as dolphins team on their 3rd string q.b AFTER 4 turnovers and 17 penalties. If the ref would have made the right call on the safety we would have lost yesterday too.
And to all the accuracy freaks, fitz a 13 yr pro is yet to complete at least 60% of his passes in his 2 starts. Furthermore I didn’t see 1 deep bomb attempt to Djax or Evans yesterday.
But please continue to pile on, this should be fun.
November 20th, 2017 at 10:58 am
DB55
I’m not a techie so can’t answer your questions about how they go through phone records and your locations.
I have grown to be a bit paranoid in my old age…I do not however turn off my GPS…soooo I assume the Government…private businesses…all know exactly where I am at any time of the day or more accurately where my phone is. Just they know my internet surfing habits…all my recent purchases…what songs I listen to on youtube.
DB55…don’t know if you’re aware of it but Big Brother has arrived!
November 20th, 2017 at 11:00 am
@ Bobby M
The criminal statute has run on misdemeanor $exual assault which is what this would be. So, the police will not be involved.
The next step would likely be some sort of civil lawsuit. That statute doesn’t run until March 2018. (2 years)
It is unlikely that Darby’s cell can be subpoenaed by the Plaintiff or the NFL. Darby would & should willingly cooperate to clear Winston. There would be no good reason for Darby to resist cooperation unless he is lying.
This need to be cleared up quickly & Darby appears to be the key.
November 20th, 2017 at 11:01 am
the Rooneys stuck with Big Ben….
Yes they did but he came out of college with no questions and then won a super bowl then he was accused. That’s why they stuck with him. The new orleans stuff was so stupid, never seen a qb do that.
November 20th, 2017 at 11:04 am
Even if he did something and the Bucs want to move on you could probably still fleece the browns or another team to move him and give cousins the money you’d be paying him instead
November 20th, 2017 at 11:08 am
You have to go on the assumption that something happened in the front seat
for the
Uber Driver to report it. What it is ain’t exactly clear.. It does appear that it
quite possible Jameis wasn’t in the front seat. It is totally up to Jameis and Darby to clear the smoke they have created by selectively releasing only the imformation they want to release. Until they do that it looks like they are covering something up.
November 20th, 2017 at 11:10 am
Really? in 2000 Ray Lewis was directly involved with a double murder.
the next year he was the Super Bowl MVP.
i think Jw has a few more strikes.
November 20th, 2017 at 11:10 am
This incident happened after his rookie year seems so long ago. And so close to other fsu allegations.
If it happen this past March it would be a big deal but so long ago we cant make a snap judgement. But this is the Bucs tho. We will find a way to cut him and set us back a few years
November 20th, 2017 at 11:18 am
Under due process each allegation has to be proven on its own merit. Having been cleared of false allegations before is not evidence of a new accusation.
This one seems very flimsy and nonsensical. No report, number of people in car, drive through, people sitting in front with driver.
No provable.
November 20th, 2017 at 11:26 am
Put yourself in this situation. If UBER contacted you and said you were banned from their service for improper behavior and you knew you were innocent would you not contact UBER management and get this resolved? Would you not tell your employer , especially if you have had past issues? It does not appear the accuser is looking for fame or money or she could have tried to extort money knowing he was rich and famous. She reported it to her company and did not contact any media. I am sure the NFL will figure out the truth soon enough but based on the way he initially handled this to me it pretty clear he some guilt in this matter.
November 20th, 2017 at 11:34 am
I am so sick of people talking about Jameis showing bad judgement because he used an uber. Really? What was he supposed to do? Request a male driver? then he would be accused of sexism. Why would he believe some one in the car would grope the uber driver, he probably wasn’t even thinking about it. If I invite some of my friends out to dinner and one them smacks the waitresses butt and I didn’t see it, how did I make a bad judgement? Why would I think any of my friends would smack a waitress on the butt at that particular moment. That makes no sense. The truth is it doesn’t matter, because many of you just hate Jameis and it does not matter what he does you are going to find something to complain about. This man has had one bad season in which he was hurt and you guys are acting like he is the worst QB in the league. Funny how you were all quiet when he was breaking franchise records though.
November 20th, 2017 at 11:59 am
Yes…..Jameis should have requested a male driver or used a private service….with Jameis’ history, he has to use caution especially at 2am.
If it was good judgement, why is he in this situation. If he was completely innocent, why not inform the team….or let Uber know it wasn’t him, it was another passenger.
If someone throws litter on the road while you are the driver….you get the charge. Jameis used his Uber account to get the ride….that brings on some responsibilities.
I like Jameis and hope this turns out well for him but it was unnecessary and Jameis could have avoided it or mitigated the situation and he didn
November 20th, 2017 at 11:59 am
This news really sucks for Winston and the entire Buccaneer organization. Big fan of his have met him several times and he’s the nicest guy. I’m wondering if it’s his inability to handle alcohol that is his source of the problem. Understandable that fans are sticking up for him. After rereading all charges from the crab legs to the video taping of the sexual assault he is getting himself into trouble that will not go away. There is some truth to each and every incident he has been in and now there are many. This latest one looks bad because she did report the incident to her company right after it happened. Probably not a major offense so the police were not involved, but the fact is if she wanted money she could have started a civil suit the following day. So if you are sick of hearing Jameis has bad judgement you shouldn’t be because that is absolutely his best case scenario. Otherwise he is guilty of committing several crimes.
November 20th, 2017 at 12:15 pm
Part of me says the Uber driver is looking for a payday and will probably get one. She may have just found out who she had in her car. A smaller part says that he may have done this. As for her being shady for not reporting it immediately, he never reported it to the team- a wash in my book. I think the witness is non-credible.
I doubt we will ever know what happened, the investigation will be inconclusive, and the driver will get a payday.
The bigger picture is Winston a franchise quarterback? My feeling is he falls into the same category as the kicker they cut this year (can’t spell his name). Awesome in college but inconsistent in the pros. Can’t hit the deep ball. Makes questionable decisions. Leadership comes straight from college. Here is another question. Why are they building the offense around the deep pass when he can’t hit them?
I would draft another quarterback next draft that may not be as big of a “superstar” but is consistent. He can back up Winston and be groomed to take over. Once developed enough you find a sucker who needs a quarterback and thinks they can fix him and trade him for the farm like we did for Gruden.
The Bull won a superbowl in Tampa. Was he a superstar. No offense but he was a dependable, consistent quarterback who didn’t get himself into trouble. The defense was lights out and I am told that is the way you win championships. We have put all our eggs in the Winston basket who isn’t putting up the 35+ points a game necessary to win that way.
November 20th, 2017 at 12:36 pm
Jamies keeps finding this trouble, eventually people will realize he isn’t just unlucky, that something is going on.
Where the is smoke, there is typically fire.
This guy is both young and dumb, maybe maturity will help him down the road. For now, the bucs are stuck with the wrong first pick and are praying for maturity.
The best thing the bucs can do is stop stroking his ego, tell him he’s gonna sit the year behind Fitz to “heal” and to learn to be a pro.
This kid, needs to earn his starting role back. The habitual backup QB is winning with the team he couldn’t.
November 20th, 2017 at 12:59 pm
St.PeteBucfan said: …a year’s worth of silence and keeping this from the team make him untrustworthy at worst…at best…just really really stoopid saddled with some of the worst judgement imaginable.
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Hard to believe he did not tell at least one Buc represenetive as he should have known there would be some fallout. Which leads me to believe he is innocent. If he did do it and learned anything from his previous incidents it would be to get out in front of an accusation. Not let it go and hope it goes way. I agree with St.petebucs, if it is true, he is done, if it is not true I would hope he and or the Bucs would invest in hiring more handlers to keep these guys safe from poor decision making. GO BUCS Beat the Dixie chicks.
November 20th, 2017 at 1:30 pm
Generally speaking if it wasn’t documented it never happened. Problem is she documented the incident right away so the ball is in her court.
November 20th, 2017 at 2:04 pm
People say they are tired of hearing about this, but I, for one, appreciate Joe’s aggregation efforts.
If people don’t want to hear about it, why are there so many comments?
I don’t know if it’s true, but if it is, he deserves to be punished, whatever that means, suspension, contract dollars and/or loss of pretty much all endorsement opportunities. If he isn’t guilty, I hope he proves it quickly.
November 20th, 2017 at 2:18 pm
IF this accusation is unfounded, there is literally no reasonable measure JW could have taken to prevent it. All he did was take a ride in an Uber during a weekend where he was helping out at a Hall of Famer’s football camp. Aside from living in solitude and leaving home only to go to One Buc or a road game (driving himself and totally alone) this was an unpreventable accusation IF FALSE
If true, I would be beyond disappointed with how Jameis squandered his clean slate in Tampa and immediately hopeful that the bucs do the right thing and move on. The groping is bad enough in and of itself, but if the accusation is proved true it would mean that Winston was blatantly lying to the organization and fans. Allowing the team to think it was safe to feature him on Hard Knocks with this hammer potentially dropping anytime is a gross violation of trust that hurts the franchise, his teammates, and obviously the fan base that has largely embraced and defended him when his past comes up
annoyingly, i just have to wait for this stuff to play out. the identity of the 3rd passenger must come out or the credibility of the 2 identified passengers is pretty much gone forever. if there is no 3rd (or even second) passenger, we know we have landed yet another QB who cannot be trusted with the franchise
November 20th, 2017 at 2:18 pm
I remember being a little on the fence between Winston and Mariota. I then before the draft was all in for Winston. I thought he had the it factor. Now I know how wrong I was. Not to say Mariota is the second coming of Joe Montana, but this is not about Mariota, this is just about Winston. Many fans will slam my post and I don’t really care. I won’t read them or respond anyways. So, here is my issues with Winston.
1: With allegation in college in his recent past of sexual misconduct, even if he didn’t do the latest allegation, it is stupid to ever even put yourself in that position to begin with.
2: This is more against Licht, but Winston may very well be a bust due to his poor decisions, immature and embarrassing antics and behavior.
3: last but not least, his terrible lack of accuracy. This is the one thing that I don’t believe he can change. He can mature eventually and quit making irresponsible decisions off the field. He can even get better at protecting the football but the inability to get the ball to the receiver on deep throws as well as not putting the ball in a spot for the receiver to not have to slow down, reach behind himself or slide to the ground to make a catch. Accuracy is not coachable as much as the X and O’s of the game and decision making on the field.
Winston is intelligent and puts in the time being a hard worker but lack of accuracy combined with poor off the field choices will doom his career with the Bucs……. another wasted #1 overall pick is what I am starting to conclude.
November 20th, 2017 at 4:00 pm
Pickgrin
At last we have a topic we can debate. Rare since I agree with you on sooo many topics. At least we can disagree agreeably. I’m not going to call you names and all other manner of ignorance that seems to erupt when people disagree. 🙂
IF this accusation is unfounded, there is literally no reasonable measure JW could have taken to prevent it. All he did was take a ride in an Uber during a weekend
That statement is literally false. I’ve spent the past two days explaining EXACTLY what he could have done…the same as the thousands of other powerful, wealthy celebrities who pay the price for PROTECTION.
It’s NOT that hard. First of all realize if you cannot control your urge to party at 2AM it’s not going to be as cheap as before you were a wealthy celebrity. Hire a private limo with a driver that’s vetted…do NOT hang with morons like Darby who was part of the posse the used a cellphone to video Jameis having sex with a girl who ultimately claimed that was non consensual.
Fameis had A LOT of control over this situation.
1) Hire protection it’s not that freaking expensive.
2.) IF you must hang with your posse even though they have previously proven themselves braindead…don’t do it at 2AM drunk.
3.) As Joe has pointed out…IF something like this happens tell the team IMMEDIATELY!!! You already have a reputation…the benefit of the doubt is almost totally gone for Jameis.
Jameis had MANY choices that night and in virtually every instance he reaffirmed his lack of maturity and decision making ability. That’s just a fact no matter what happened that night.
November 20th, 2017 at 4:14 pm
Hugh Culverhouse let Doug Williams walk, he went on to win a Super Bowl. Then Culverhouse traded Steve Young for a 2nd and 4th round draft pick, he went on to win Super Bowls. The Glazers ran Trent Dilfer out of town, he went on to win a Super Bowl. Actually the BEST case scenario for James Winston, is the Bucs let him go. The WORST case scenario for Jameis Winston, the Bucs extend him.
November 20th, 2017 at 4:39 pm
Yup. agree with all. And I stated Friday I had a hunch the driver retained legal counsel. Nothing wrong with a 23 year old guy being drunk on the town taking a ride back to a hotel. Normally. And if Jameis was indeed in the back seat and not near the driver, you’d think that’s fine too. Normally. First offense or not, just a “my bad” for not telling the team or not, as an NFL QB with his past and the trust the Glazers placed in him…he’s in hot water IF he really didn’t tell anyone in the Bucs organization.
No one will identify the third guy. That’s coming this week. Do any of you have a friend so dear, so close, that even if you are accused of a sex crime and will lose it all…all of it…if you don’t identify the guy who did it…or who just sat in the front seat? If this person exists, he will be identified by the end of the week.
If it’s proven, or just pretty clear, that Jameis was the only passenger in the car, he MAY avoid paying out, MAY avoid suspension even…but his days with the Bucs for lying about that will be over.
I still personally believe there were three guys in the car. But I don’t know. Between two and four people do know.
November 20th, 2017 at 6:11 pm
Sorry, SPBF, but I have to disagree.
First…we don’t know if Jameis was drinking the night of this event. Second, you don’t know why he was out so late.
For example, I took my family to Orlando for a week a couple years ago. We were out pass 2 am almost every night. Not drinking. Just doing the parks and eating out and driving around seeing the sights. Then we went to our suite and slept late the following morning.
Was it wrong to be out that late? No.
We’re talking about Arizona here…the desert. If I ever visit that place, I would ONLY go out at night, just to avoid the heat.
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martinii Says
“The only safe rout as mentioned above is for male celebrities to avoid any and all situations where they are vulnerable to such accusations. Fame and fortune has it’s downside.”
Then they may as well stay locked up in their homes. Because accusations can be made no matter where they go. He could have been attending a charity event and someone could have made this claim.
You cannot expect them to cease living.
November 20th, 2017 at 6:55 pm
More victim blaming. Nice.
Winston is innocent. He is just unlucky. Blah blah blah.
Wash. Rinse. Repeat.
Garbage.
November 20th, 2017 at 8:18 pm
@StPeteBucsFan. Well said on all. Except I don’t know about the drinking but would not be surprised either way. Even then, as you said, much more to it as whether he did it or not. Add to what you said…this was his very first off-season in the NFL…his civil suit not settled yet. You’d think he’d have been smarter and not betray the trust who took the gamble.
November 20th, 2017 at 9:43 pm
Fameis needs to read this website and see how many Buc fans turn their backs and the names they call him. That so many of the clowns up here already have condemn him because some female goes public once she finds out who he is. Never mind that this woman and the last one changed their stories and have the same lawyer. These creeps can’t see a set up when it smacks them in the face. He genuinely cares about the people in the community and the team and the players. He’s not a thug or hoodlum don’t see his body full of ridiculous tats just a simple fun loving country learning to become a man in the NFL spotlight. He’s set NFL and a slew of team records, set the rookie and team record for tds, the most passing yards in his first 2 years and though he has struggled with his accuracy has gotten a little better each year and these snot nose nit picking bonehead cry about little things. You people don’t deserve a franchise qb but for this fanbase to see their team live in squalor in the NFL basement. Fameis needs to go to a better team plain and simp
November 20th, 2017 at 11:00 pm
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Jameis called an uber … that is the “situation” he put himself in, that’s it. THAT IS NOT A “SITUATION”, that is a responsible thing to do! And, even “if” some mystery front-seat passenger did what the uber driver claims, that is still not something Jameis could have prevented.
Anyone saying Jameis failed at being careful or the like is being an unrighteously judgmental moron.
As for JOE saying Jameis should have alerted the Bucs … nonsense. What Jameis was told was that the driver claimed her front-seat passenger touched her and Jameis knew he was in the back seat with Darby, therefore in Jameis’ mind, he personally was not being accused of anything. There was nothing to report to the Bucs.
The media likes to look at things with 20/20 hindsight and spin a narrative and it drives me nuts as it’s lazy reporting and entirely illogical and nonsensical … but it sells print so they keep doing it.
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November 21st, 2017 at 10:38 am
At the end of the day this is all on Winston being a complete idiot and lying to the Bucs organization. This will not be the last incident based his past behavior. This dumb ass was under investigation for sexual assault at FSU, then yells a vulgar statement in the middle of a crowd. All while under investigation and being vetted for the NFL draft. All the FSU homers and jock sniffers need to wake up. Punt on this idiot now. I don’t give sh*t if he goes somewhere else and has success.
Winston is not Big Ben-completely different people and players.