Tampa Bay Times Plays Gotcha With Jameis

February 23rd, 2017

Skewered by Tom Jones

America’s Quarterback, Jameis Winston, took a right uppercut from columnist Tom Jones and Tampa Bay’s newspaper last night.

Was it fair? Maybe. But it was incomplete and Joe is confident the Times won’t bother filling in the blanks.

Jones makes the case that during a 40-minute motivational speech to St. Pete elementary school students yesterday, Jameis delivered a terribly wrong message. While trying to muster an off-the-cuff analogy preaching internal strength for all, Jameis said, ‘The ladies, they’re supposed to be silent, polite, gentle. My men, my men (are) supposed to be strong.”

Jones went all-in explaining that Jameis was “irresponsible,” injected archaic, discriminatory thoughts into kids’ heads, and he especially shouldn’t do those things because he has sexual assault allegations in his past. You can read it all here and watch Jameis on video.

Maybe in today’s political climate some want to rationalize that we’re being too touchy, too uptight. So go to our website. Watch the video. Decide for yourself. But what we cannot know is how the children in that room took Winston’s message. [Jones wrote]

It wasn’t until several hours after the speech that Winston was asked about and reflected on what he had said.

“I was making an effort to interact with a young male in the audience who didn’t seem to be paying attention, and I didn’t want to single him out so I asked all the boys to stand up,” Winston said. “During my talk, I used a poor word choice that may have overshadowed that positive message for some.” … …

Let’s also address the elephant in the room: Winston’s past at Florida State in a sexual assault accusation. Fairly or unfairly, that is a part of Winston’s story and that means he must be even more careful when talking about how boys and girls are treated and viewed and should act.

(There’s much more Jameis bashing in the full story linked above).

Joe has three daughters and gets that Winston’s couple of sentences were unfortunate and inaccurate. Bad message.

But notice how none of the seasoned educators Jones referenced, who were watching and listening to Jameis, interrupted Jameis to correct him?

Heck, one of these deeply troubled educators Jones referenced easily could have said, ‘Excuse me, Jameis. Everybody here at school knows girls are every bit as powerful as boys. You must have misspoke. Right girls!’ Joe could give loads of other examples.

A Bucs representative there or a teacher or administrator could have walked up to Jameis and gently whispered in his ear and asked him to correct/clarify his comments to the group.

But nobody said a word. It was soooooo bad, sooooo worthy of Jones’ finger wagging, but not one mature adult there stepped in to spare the innocent children.

And Jones seems just fine with that — but happy to bash Jameis.

Hey, Jones, the school is responsible for the message impressed upon the kids in its care. If Jameis’ message was really so ugly and horrible, as you wrote, then why are you not holding them accountable?

Joe would wager that the Times won’t bother following up to report on whether the students officially were deprogrammed by the school administration, or how/if their parents and guardians were all informed about the brutal sexism placed in their impressionable children’s brains.

Why? Because in the context of a heartfelt, long inspirational presentation, what Jameis said really was insignificant.

142 Responses to “Tampa Bay Times Plays Gotcha With Jameis”

  1. ndog Says:

    This is what is wrong with the media they take one line and use that to make a good deed seem like the entire point of this talk was to harm someone. This is ridiculous at best and should serve as a prime example as why one cannot take one piece of a puzzle and determine what the entire thing looks like.

  2. RealityCheck Says:

    He’s a 23 years football player. I don’t expect him to be a polished speaker sending out amazing life lessons, but I’d like to see him send up a few more deep balls next year.

  3. stu Says:

    JW came out and apologized for his poor choice of words…some people SMH

  4. The Buc Realist Says:

    If he was able to reach 1 kid at that place than it was worth it!!! He could be in the Caribbean riding jet-ski’s on vacation!!!! Maybe they need to invite role-model woman to speak to the girls as well!!!!!!

  5. StPeteBucsfan Says:

    We can blame the media or we can blame society. #3 is fundamentally a fine young man. He’s not a school teacher…he’s a FOOTBALL PLAYER.

    Having celebrities…athletes…music and movie stars…speaking about serious topics just invites mistakes. I do not blame #3 or the media. I blame our celebrity worshipping society. It is what it is. We shouldn’t need Jameis…or Katy Perry…or Lady Gaga…or even Meryl Streep giving us profound lessons that should be delivered first by parents…but given the absence of so many parents..secondly by actual teachers.

    Jameis’ heart is in the right place…so for me this is actually a non story. There are also cultural differences that perhaps white folks are not aware…in “some” neighborhoods…not just minority…more related to wealth…I’m white and I grew up where the men beat the hell out of their women…it was where I was raised…and a strong male role model is appreciated.

    There could also be religious overtones involved here. Many religions…remember the Southern Baptist Convention’s pronouncement that women should get thee behind me? Perhaps Jameis religion informed these beliefs. And so is Jones going to bash all Evangelicals who clearly have a different view of women’s roles than many other in society.

  6. Buc1987 Says:

    If women and men are to be treated equal that’s fine with me.

    If I’m on a boat and the boat’s going down. Then it’s not women and children first anymore. It’s everyone for themselves. Cause my life matters too. lol

    I learned that from comedian Bill Burr (very controversial). I highly recommend this guy as NO subject is taboo. Race especially. You tube the guy and cry in laughter.

  7. Buc1987 Says:

    Oh and Tom Jones is an ass.

  8. usf commutter Says:

    I hope none of you click on tbtimes ever again! what a joke! tom jones should lose his job over this!

  9. USFBUC Says:

    I can’t stand Tom Jones. It seems like all he does is write negative pieces on the teams, players, and fans in the area. He is one of those writers who only has a job because he writes shock value type pieces that get clicks. It’s like the guy got stuck in Tampa, wants to leave but he can’t for whatever reason, so he hates on the teams.

  10. BigMacAttack Says:

    No good deed goes unpunished. I could care less if Jameis had a slip of the tongue. He has been a model citizen since he came to Tampa. Get over it TJ, moron.

  11. DallasBuc Says:

    Totally insignificant in context. He was describing cultural gender roles, not necessarily advocating them. Seems like delicate sensibilities driving topics for whiny writers at the Times.

  12. BUCS4EVA Says:

    Jones is just another typical liberal media-type. Hence why his radio gig got cancelled and the Times is failing….Thank god for JoeBucsFan!!!

  13. tnew Says:

    Jones appears to have been in waiting to write this piece for a while. Jameis make a mistake… yes he did. But hey we all do, except for Jones. I guess he’s the real Messiah. I’m not saying Jones shouldn’t report his opinion. He should, however, this was over the top vitriol for such a benign offense

  14. Marlow1976 Says:

    Folks will write anything to sell clicks, papers, or whatever. Last I check we are all human with an unique ability to screw up from time to time. This writer is a fraction of the reason journalistic integrity has such a black eye. Guys like this are the bad news pimps of the media.

  15. Suzette LeBlanc Says:

    I am a woman. And I carry a BIG M-F-IN STICK!

  16. ndog Says:

    BTW this is now one of the lead articles on ESPN and PFT and just think it all happened because someone was trying to do the right thing and made a slight error with words. And we wonder why some athletes just keep to themselves, don’t share their wealth and treat others like they are beneath them. Maybe Sapp had it right all along cause either way they are going to try to bring you down.

  17. Make America Brate Again Says:

    Jameis used poor words but Jones is always looking to burn someone at the stake.

  18. QQQ Says:

    Jameis immediately acknowledged it was a poor choice of words, so it isn’t really something anyone needs to be dwelling on.

    That being said, Joe, I think you are being a bit unfair to Jones. You seem to agree with Jones that what Jameis said was “unfortunate and inaccurate” and a “bad message.” But then you go on to criticize Jones, saying it was “so ugly and horrible, as you wrote.” But Jones never wrote that in his column!
    Yes, Jones did find Jameis’ message ugly and horrible. That was very clear in his column.–Joe

    I read Jones as ultimately saying it was an unfortunately choice of words (which is also what Jameis said) and that its not something he should be saying again. Does not seem like an unreasonable thing to point out.

  19. Buc1987 Says:

    QQQ…and what was the point of doing the story to begin with? In the sports section at that?

    What I took from Joe’s take was. There was no point to do the story to begin with.

  20. LakeLandBuc Says:

    Lol..it takes the American Media to ” Make a Mountain out of a Mole Hill”.

  21. tmaxcon Says:

    Jameis’s intent was pure and genuine. Tom Jones is a joke. simple as that. People are so oversensitive now and the media just pours gas on it.

  22. Dusthty Rhothdes Says:

    Tom Jones is a friggin snowflake clown and to run down a guy that is the face of the Tampa Bay Region sports is a disgrace….Jameis was at an ELEMENTARY school and as stated above could have been ANYWHERE ELSE in the world but he chose to help make a positive impact on the youth of America, I am guessing not one single student at the school heard exactly what Jameis was saying, was it not 2017 PC? maybe maybe not, but he was trying to make a difference in the local community and bring the US together in a positive light where as tom jones and his tired act are just adding to the divide in this nation….. pack sand Jones….and jameis keeping fighting the good fight

  23. Trauma Murse Says:

    I dare to say that if Tom Jones was not on that morning show it might have succeeded. I stopped reading and listening to anything jones has to say years ago. jones is a FM shock jock DJ type of “journalist”.

    he likes to stir the sh#t pot, and he should have to lick the spoon.

    He likes to play devil’s advocate, but always picks the most left field angle to take. media execs are so out of their depths in this town. it takes a real buffoon to have this guy on your staff and not Ira, or Cummings. You win again Joe.

  24. Bucsfanman Says:

    Herein lies the crux of almost every problem in this country. We are so hyper-sensitive to every little thing!
    @Suzette- Does what he said offend you?

  25. bucsfaninchina Says:

    gahhhhhh the liberals!!!!!

  26. StPeteBucsfan Says:

    @Suzette

    You go girl!!! Just be careful it is Florida after all and some weeny man might “stand his ground” and draw down on you. I suspect you probably pack heat as well though.

    It’s a wonderful state eh…where some dude guns down a father of a little girl because he dared to drop an F bomb and toss popcorn at him. Now the little girls gets to go the rest of her life because some “bad asssed wuss” decided to shoot him. Same old man had numerous complaints for excessive violence when he was a cop.

  27. DB55 Says:

    Man I hate the TB media club (present company excluded). It’s true that the path to he11 is paved with good intentions.

    Is jones saying that little girls should be loud, rude and rough? Not my baby.

    With all due love a respect, women are the strongest gender until they see a roach or a frog then it all goes to he11. Lol, am I right? Lol

  28. Tbbucs3 Says:

    I’m not suprised that the super PC Tampa bay times got offended by a poor choice of words. It happens, its like when the espn fired that tennis announcer for using the term “geurilla”. Context is what matters.

  29. BusteisWinston Says:

    No shocker, he was always viewed as extremely dumb. Should have taken Mariota instead of Busteis. Oh well.

  30. LocalJoker Says:

    Suzette,

    If you ever need a bigger stick, text me! Lol.

  31. gilhealy Says:

    I hope Jones and the Times are proud of themselves. They got one of the best , well intentioned young man back on the front page. Espn and others are running with this, and the comment section is full of the ignorants. Antonor and Loretta must be thrilled the past is being displayed again. Is there no shame in the press? EVERY single person knows exactly what he meant, and no harm or disrespect was intended. But if Jones can spin it that way and get relevant again, who cares about Jameis’ and his family. I wouldn’t piss on Jones if he was on fire. What an irrelevant insect of a man. Nice job, TBT. You should be proud.

  32. Dewey Selmon Says:

    The exact opposite is said at a Beyonce concert….

  33. University of Seffner Says:

    This is so typical of the usual American Media. With all of this Cultural Marxism (political correctness) in America’s society and media today, it wouldn’t surprise me to see TV Hosts, and others calling Jameis names such as “bigot” “sexist” y’all name off other words. Along with that, it also wouldn’t surprise me one bit for TV Hosts, news agencies, and others demanding the Glazers, and Roger Goodell to punish Jameis.

  34. gotbbucs Says:

    It was probably an incentive slip of the tongue, but at a certain point Jameis needs to learn to be like Brady, Rogers, Big Ben, and all the other big time QBs and just be a QB and not a celebrity.
    The public and media will eat him alive any time he has one of these moments just based on his college past. Shut the hell up, lay low, and win football games.

  35. gilhealy Says:

    Busteis, I have no idea why I’m even responding to your dumb ass, but you are quite the moron. I’d love to see you walk up to JW and talk as stupid as you write. He’d probably give you a hug. God knows you need one.

  36. Bucsfanman Says:

    @DB55- LMAO!!! We better pray they never unite! Women are by far the stronger gender. They’d have to be to put up with us! LOL!

    On a lighter side, to your point DB55, my wife encountered a large, I mean large, palmetto bug on the floorboards the other day. she ran and jumped onto our kitchen island in one leap. That island is like 3-4 feet high! And she’s 45! I just stood there in awe while she was screaming. I wish I had my phone with me because nobody would’ve believed it. I still don’t!
    The roach got away BTW. It flew right at me as I readied the broom. Man those things are vicious!

  37. University of Seffner Says:

    Brace for impact from the Language Police 🚨 . The media could make this a bigger story…

  38. Buc50 Says:

    People spending time worrying about how Jameis is motivating ball players and children. I’m happy he’s doing thins instead of getting drunk or high at the club every night. Might want to find something else to whine about.

  39. MagicNole Says:

    I read the text, I wasn’t there, I have no context. But anybody who has listened to Jameis speak throughout his career, knows he tends to have trouble putting his words together. Reading the text, does it appear he is simply trying to say that men tend to have deep voices and women tend to have softer toned voices? Could be wrong here, but he has said a lot of other confusing statements throughout the years.

  40. BusteisWinston Says:

    gilhealy, Busteis is dumb. Like as a brick dumb. And of course he’d wanna hug my, I like to keep crap legs in my back pocket.

  41. DB55 Says:

    Bucsfan

    Dawg I’m crying. You didn’t know she could jump that high. Lmao.

    Same thing at my house especially with frogs.

  42. Bucsfanman Says:

    True story! She’s still mad at me because I didn’t get the roach!!!

  43. Dewey Selmon Says:

    You guys know if Cam Newton said this we would be roasting him. So fair is fair.

  44. Bucsince1976 Says:

    The Tampa Bay Times has hated Jameis Winston since 2013. How do you think they would have covered this story had Tebow been the one to say “Girls are expected to stay silent?”

  45. Hawaiian Buc Says:

    This is probably one of the dumbest things I’ve ever read. I know nowadays you can’t say anything to possibly offend anyone, but this is so not a big deal. Hell, our President says more offensive things every day before breakfast! Besides, as a father of a young girl myself, I don’t have a problem at all with the comment. I am okay if my daughter is quiet and gentle (silent is probably a poor word choice, which is exactly what he said). He didn’t say to bow down to men or to talk only when spoken to, so really what’s the problem here? It’s so silly that he is now getting blasted, when he was at the school in the offseason, dedicating his valuable time to those kids. I really worry about some people.

  46. jerseybuc Says:

    Typical PC from TampaBay Times. Jameis is a 23 year old who is taking his own time and talking to children. Give me a break. It is an old fashioned take on boys and girls, and comes from a football players mentality. Funny thing about this is that he a football player talking to the kids, NOT a teacher. I would be a little more concerned about some of the left wing crap the teachers are foisting upon these children than what a member of the Bucs tells them in a talk.

  47. Tampa Tony Says:

    So Joe is putting blame on Jameis’s words on the school? That’s hilarious is nothing his fault? Interceptions, fumbles, losses, bad throws, December meltdowns and now poor choice of words- all not his fault
    Might want to re-read what Joe wrote.–Joe

  48. R.O. Says:

    Tom Jones has to get paid to write something. It’s an Opinion Piece. Not Fact. Move on..

  49. Destinjohnny Says:

    What’s up with liberals in 2017?
    Thanks for putting back

  50. Eric Says:

    Political correctness running amuck.

    Disgusting.

  51. Pickgrin Says:

    So it took 2 full years for Jameis to say one wrong thing. He’s said and done everything right for 2 years – then mis-speaks in 1 sentence while volunteering his time to talk to young kids – and a tool like Tom Jones is going to rake him over the coals publicly for it? And bring up the false accusation against Winston from 4 years ago in the process???

    Jones is an ass for writing this and its just as sad that national media are picking up Jones’ messed up take and running with it.

  52. 911bucs Says:

    I can’t stand the PC police these days, seems like can’t look at someone the wrong way or forget to say good morning at work and it could be a trip to see the H.R. dept.

  53. DavidBigBucsFan99 Says:

    What’s going on?

  54. DavidBigBucsFan99 Says:

    Don’t go blaming this on liberal media. If the far right wasn’t so stuck on controlling everybodies thoughts and actions there’d be no need for liberals. This piece of poo poo is straight up character assassination which the far right neo nazi conservatives are so good for so get it straight. We need moderate people in charge instead of all these extreme lefties and righties. Whoever said Fameis needs to act like Brady what are you talking about, willingnest to cheat even though he’s the greatest ever? No matter how much good Fameis does in his life there are many out there who will never give him a break but won’t think twice about Ben Ben’s sexual assault charges. That’s why Fameis is truly Americas Quarterback. It’s not about right or wrong it’s about who he is and the “victim”. Jones and TampaTony will never support Fameis no matter how good he becomes!

  55. DavidBigBucsFan99 Says:

    Joe do you have censoring for anti conservative posts because I see a bunch of people making their anti liberal statements but yet my comment won’t go thru but the last comment did. I just tried to post it again and it won’t go through.
    Yes, Joe censors direct references to hate groups and other things like that. You had too much hate speech flowing for Joe to invest time cleaning it up for publication. —Joe

  56. Greg Schiano Says:

    Only those who say something critical of Porky are not allowed to post on this site.

  57. BUC55 Says:

    Tom Jones is the #1 reason I would NEVER subscribe to that paper.
    Worst writer in the Tampa Bay area by far. Nothing new. Always negative.

  58. D-Rome Says:

    Joe, I agree with your opinion on this article with the exception of the following:

    But notice how none of the seasoned educators Jones referenced, who were watching and listening to Jameis, interrupted Jameis to correct him?

    Heck, one of these deeply troubled educators Jones referenced easily could have said, ‘Excuse me, Jameis. Everybody here at school knows girls are every bit as powerful as boys. You must have misspoke. Right girls!’ Joe could give loads of other examples.

    I’m sure there were teachers who would have liked to say something but didn’t because Jameis was a special guest of the school. The teacher(s) would not want to embarrass America’s Quarterback publicly nor suffer the wrath of rabid FSU and Bucs fans (some regular readers of JBF) on social media. The backlash and vitriol would have been over the top against the teacher who simply is not paid enough to endure ridicule from the mouth-breathers.

  59. DavidBigBucsFan99 Says:

    Understand Joe. Don’t hate the people but their line of thinking I do.

  60. Buccfan37 Says:

    Jones is further proof of the decline of newsprint media.

  61. DavidBigBucsFan99 Says:

    D-ROME and DB55 from earliers roach comment😂😂😂😂😂😂

  62. Waterboy Says:

    Can’t believe this is being blown up into something bigger than what it is.

    http://launch.newsinc.com/share.html?trackingGroup=69016&siteSection=tampabaytimes&videoId=32028345

  63. Defense Rules Says:

    Sports writers like Tom Jones (I use that term loosely here) only stay on the payroll because people read what they wrote and talk about it. Mission accomplished for Jones in this case. Decided a LOOONG time ago that anything he writes isn’t worth my time reading. Guy knows absolutely nothing about sports, and even less about the Bucs. Ignore him and eventually he’ll disappear, the sooner the better.

  64. ndog Says:

    The worst part is if you actually watch the video he is asking the boys in the class to stand up because they looked bored and he even said I had to walk you guys up. It was all in the context of getting them to listen and speak up and pay attention to the speech he was giving. This is taken so far out of context it is ridiculous.

  65. DavidBigBucsFan99 Says:

    Do you think Jones really cares about them kids he’s talking to? People need to realize there’s a difference how (for the”pc” police) folks motivate their youngsters. You best believe not one of those girls are going to let them boys tell them they need to be silent. Ask Brent how’d that go over telling that to Miko!😂😂😂

  66. TouchDownTampaBay Says:

    That accusation is going to haunt JW forever. I had a woman tell me recently she would never support Jameis because of his statement imitating the internet video and saying F her in the $&#%. What was amazing is to me is that she wouldn’t support a football player who said such a thing but voted for Trump.

  67. ndog Says:

    These are various headlines out there today:

    Jameis Winston gets the message wrong when he tells fifth-grade girls to ‘sit down’ USA Today

    Jameis Winston Speech to Kids — Boys Should Be Strong, GIRLS SHOULD BE SILENT TMZ Sports

    And here is one from Twitter:

    Jameis Winston is 1 of those guys you’d like to root for (2nd chances and so on) but it’s impossible. Bigoted talk to little kids. Jerk.

    Thanks Tom Jones you really painted an accurate picture of what was said at that school. Unreal!

  68. mike Says:

    Don’t blame the Media. Who made sure this was so public to get so much media there?? His agent, the Bucs, Jameis? Not sure but players often do this type of thing and no one in the media is there but some is trying to showcase Jameis and it backfired. He can do community work without inviting and notifing all the outlets.

  69. Buc1987 Says:

    “If the far right wasn’t so stuck on controlling everybodies thoughts and actions there’d be no need for liberals.”

    David…You mean like forcing everyone to buy health insurance and telling everyone how they should eat? Labeling someone if they don’t agree with say “gay marriage”.

    That type of controlling?

  70. BurgDweller Says:

    Tom Jones was one of the main reasons I quit reading TBT sports. He looks for any excuse to sensationalize a story. At least Jameis is out there trying to make a difference, working with kids etc. We’ve all used poor choice of words before or said things that have been take out of context, it is human nature. Tom Jones = Bottom Feeder.

  71. BKNYfootballhead Says:

    Does anybody really know Tom Jones’ political affiliation? Seems like a bunch celebratory masculinists are throwing turds at a wall here with bias assumption.
    Tom Jones is annoying on many levels, but some of you are making this political, which in itself is ridiculous.

  72. Buccaneer Bonzai Says:

    Forget that. Women SHOULD remain silent. It’s the only way men can get peace and quiet.

    Take it from a married man with an outspoken wife.

    AND…have any other husbands noticed how women are quiet during commercials but want to talk while a game is on?????

    Know your place, women!

  73. Buccaneer Bonzai Says:

    BurgDweller Says
    “Tom Jones was one of the main reasons I quit reading TBT sports.”

    It was several for me, but top most was Stroud.

  74. Timbucs2 Says:

    Seriously? It was a dumb thing to say, and he got called out as he should have. Why is it a big deal to nail a guy on saying something stupid to a crowd of young kids?

    Jameis said he made a poor “word choice”, but he was communicating an entire idea that is wrong – words only highlighted the idea.

    And to put the blame on the teachers for not contradicting him? How does that excuse what Jameis said? I am glad that he has skills on the field, but he does not have the benefit of the doubt when it comes to women and how they are to be treated, so I say he deserves a lambasting (I say this as both a Bucs and ‘Noles fan)

    Wise up Jameis!

  75. Eric Says:

    Silent polite and gentle.

    Oh the inhumanity. String the man up.

  76. Buc1987 Says:

    “It’s not unusual to go out at any time
    But when I see you out and about it’s such a crime”

    Singer : Tom Jones

  77. Jimmy Says:

    >>> Does anybody really know Tom Jones’ political affiliation? <<<

    He writes for a paper that doesn't remotely have any GOP-leanings. The Times (owned by the Poynter Institute) has a member of its board of directors who is on George Soros' payroll.

    All you need to know, if the editorials and slant by columnists doesn't give it away. Willing to bet if any columnist there admitted he or she voted Republican, the guy/woman would be on the next list of layoffs.

  78. Wausa Says:

    The racist Tampa Bay Times is always there to try and bring down Jameis.

    It started with that fool Chris Baker and continues on with Tom Jones.

  79. Hawaiian Buc Says:

    ” I am glad that he has skills on the field, but he does not have the benefit of the doubt when it comes to women and how they are to be treated, so I say he deserves a lambasting”

    ———

    Why doesn’t he have the benefit of the doubt? Was he actually charged with sexual assault? Just because someone is accused of something doesn’t mean he is guilty and loses the benefit of the doubt with all future issues. Do you not believe in the American way of guilty until proven innocent (even though with Jameis it didn’t even get that far)? It’s always funny to me how the same people that loudly declare how much they love this country are the same people who choose to ignore one of the most important fundamental beliefs of our country. Don’t understand it, and no matter how you come back trying to twist things to make your point, I still won’t understand it.

  80. Buc1987 Says:

    Timbucs2…yes perhaps he shouldn’t even bother going to the school in the first place. With the chance that he might offend you with his words and all.

    Are you really for real? He needed to be called out on it? By who? A sports columnist?Basically rehashing something he did in college, and that he better be careful with the words he uses.

    Really? There’s people out there in this world like you? Shame.

  81. BKNYfootballhead Says:

    @ Jimmy

    He also previously wrote for the Tribune before the Times purchased it.

  82. Hawaiian Buc Says:

    “Willing to bet if any columnist there admitted he or she voted Republican, the guy/woman would be on the next list of layoffs.”

    ——-

    SMH, especially if you really believe that to be true.

  83. Buc1987 Says:

    Jimmy… the Times is a lib rag. I wouldn’t use it for toilet paper.

  84. BKNYfootballhead Says:

    @ Jimmy

    Our current secretary of treasury also worked for the Soros Foundation, does that make him a liberal extremist?

  85. Wausa Says:

    You almost never hear of the sexual allegations made against Ben Rothlisberger or Peyton Manning, but may any sports media will bring it up all the time about Jameis.

    Peyton, Ben and Jameis were never charged or convicted of anything but all were accused and it is obvious that many in the media and especially the TB Times has a strong racist slant to it.

    I wonder how Matt Baker and Tom Jones would like it if someone accused them of a sex crime, but never proved it and they were never convicted but Matt Baker’s byline always mentioned an allegation of him being accused of a sex crime. Same goes for the creep Tom Jones.

  86. Bucsfanman Says:

    Why does anybody HAVE to be “liberal” or “conservative”? It’s a fabricated wedge purposely driven to forward politicized agendas that have nothing, ZERO to do with the welfare of its citizenry. We easily cast aspersions based on someone else’s definition of what liberal, conservative, democrat or republican means.

    Sorry! My left-wing, tree-hugging Buddhist in me got out!
    Politics have nothing to do with this story. It’s sad and never should’ve been written!

  87. BigHogHaynes Says:

    What going on with all this over sensitive and PC bull! There is a time and place for everything and it’s time for people to start watching what they say, O’boy JW didn’t mean to ruffle any feathers, and I’m quit sure he will learn from his mistake because he wants to be the best at what he does. There is nothing wrong with being PC, some of you can’t be PC because it cuts into your privileged style of being, you know say what you want, do what you want not giving a damn about your fellow man! Keeps bad reminds me of the Dumb Asses in the White House! SHAME ON YOU AMERICA!! Hey but we must continue to BUILD A WALL….but not in Mexico “dumb asses”

  88. Cobraboy Says:

    I am sick of overly sensitive PC types…

  89. The Anomaly Says:

    Wow, JoeBucsFan you are somehow giving Jameis more of a pass because no educator spoke up? That might be the dumbest excuse I have ever read on here. No educators corrected him so it couldn’t have been that bad. Putting any blame on those educators is bad journalism and you know it.
    Jameis screwed up and screwed up badly. Disappointing.
    Your reading comprehension is way off the mark. And why did you change your screen name for this comment? –Joe

  90. BKNYfootballhead Says:

    @ Busfanman

    Thank you. It’s this kinda of myopic thinking that’s wrong with society, everybody h ell-bent on making every topic political.

  91. BigHogHaynes Says:

    That should be “Kinda reminds me” dumb ass me!

  92. Eric Says:

    All the kid was trying to do was insert some sense of responsibility to young black males. And in looking at the out of wedlock percentages and the rampant unemployment rates among young black males it is the right message, not the wrong one.

    Be strong, be a man, the primary jest of his statement. Try and address and improve the culture.

    I salute the effort even if he slightly misspoke.

  93. Bucsfanman Says:

    @BKNY- You have to keep your head above it. That nonsense will get you nowhere. Unfortunately, the newness of the most polarizing election in the history of this country is still fresh on people’s minds.
    I go by 2 theories:
    1) The Golden Rule- treat others as you wish to be treated
    2) At the end of the day, we are all the same and basically want the same things in life

  94. BKNYfootballhead Says:

    @ Bfm

    I got no qualms with barbing political opponents, if you ever read morning Cup you’ll catch my drift. But this? Come on! There’s nothing to speak of, it’s a bunch of dudes measuring their sticks with each other.

  95. BKNYfootballhead Says:

    My stick hangs left, my stick hangs right. Blah blah blah Nonsense

  96. Bucsfanman Says:

    Yeah man. Lets talk football!
    Is it football season yet?!

  97. Dusthty Rhothdes Says:

    The bigger issue at hand is the downfall of respect for any adult, now I do not know where these kids came from or their home lives if they get enough sleep or whatever, but Jameis is an adult, in a way also a teacher, and a leader in the community, and the end of the day the kids should have at least shown jameis respect and stay awake and listen to what he had to say, the same way they should respect all adults from principals, police, custodians, teachers, lunch ladies, parents etc. Respect for adults, its real easy concept and may save your life one day, as in Cali where kids think they can just walk on random neighbors lawns everyday and not use the sidewalk, wish the guy in cali would be more proactive and litter the lawn with soggy dog crap and teach those entitled punks to walk in his lawn….JAMEIS IS THE MAN AND THANKS FOR BEING IN TAMPA….tom jones go to your safe place and squeeze your woobee

  98. Artemis Rand Says:

    Yeah, I’d like to have a camera follow this Jones schmuck around so we can all hear the things he has said over the years.

    Worthless putz hack “writer”.

  99. LakeLandBuc Says:

    These Anti-Jameis are really some Sick Individuals. They only come out when something negative is written about him. Some of these Closet Anti-Jameis fans are posting under another name, because they don’t want to expose themselves as the Hypocrite, that they are. Keep it real, Keep it 100. There’s no place in this world for Cowards.

  100. Gilhealy Says:

    Good stuff Lakeland, and Dusthty.

  101. Rich Weeks Says:

    Tom Jones never has anything positive to say about anyone… he is probably the most negative person I have ever heard.., He is off the airwaves now so he is trying to stay relevant

  102. NFLNut Says:

    Biblical Christian, period.

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  104. NFLNut Says:

    Jameis is a devout Christian who literally believes what the Word says … so am I … and the Word makes it very clear how women are supposed to act, whether anyone wants to admit that or not.

    And, that Biblical fact is not “archaic” any more than the so-called “Golden Rule” is archaic or any more than the concept of repentance is “archaic”.

    Just as “minorities” should be able to stand up and proclaim what they believe and be allowed to express themselves, so to should a Biblical Christian like Jameis be allowed to stand up and proclaim that they actually believe what the Word says and try to live their life according to its principles.

    KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK JAMEIS!

  105. Zam Says:

    lol talk about an apologist! or a whole tribe of apologists it would seem. You fanbois are pathetic.

  106. NFLNut Says:

    Jameis didn’t say anything bad … in context he didn’t even say anything poliitically incorrect as he was just saying how women are viewed, not that he even believed it … but my point is that SO WHAT IF HE DOES … hundreds of millions of Christians world-wide take the Word seriously and Jameis should not be “Scripture shamed”.

    This world is a dumb, twisted, idiotic place and I despise the “pc crowd”, “thought police” and all other idiocy.

    If someone has the right to promote unBiblical actions and beliefs, someone else should most definitely have the right to promote Biblical actions and beliefs and anyone that doesn’t agree with such a statement is a hypocritical and tyrannical loon in my book.

  107. NFLNut Says:

    ZAM … If one has the right to promote unBiblical beliefs and/or practices, one has the right to promote Biblical beliefs and/or practices and anyone who doesn’t agree with such is a hypocritical, self-righteous loon in my book.

  108. Buddy Says:

    I don’t believe his intention was how it sounded. Let’s remember he’s still a 23 year unpolished speaker that is extremely country in certain ways. He can be emotional & excited very easily. A prime example is those ridiculous pregame speeches he tries to give. Just play dude. I think it’s funny that the Bucs had their video guy & little reporter girl Casey there to document ethe visit. How many tines do you hear athletes say ” I don’t do things for attention & if you only knew how many things I do in my free time without anyone knowing”. But not the Bucs, they are getting what they deserve by trying to continually force stuff down our throats on on buccaneers.com. They go overboard with things at times.

  109. Mike Johnson Says:

    I’m ole School. Jameis did Nothing wrong people. I want my women fine, beautiful, sodt spoken and real sexy. A women with bulging biceps and manly poses turns me? way off. Now its ok for her. I mean a woman can do what she wants. But as a womens preference, I don’t chase women who lift weights and sport mens hairstyles. Times have and are..constantly changing. I get that. If a woman wants to be manly? Then be manly. But if a woman wants to be womanly? I’m all on her side..front and back. Y’all feeling me?

  110. The Anomaly Says:

    @Joe – What does my screen name have to do with anything? That’s my nic on most sites I post on. LOL. Your big comeback is changing my nic?

    Why did you pick on the educators? Nice deflection. Answer the question…why did you single out the educators for not speaking up?
    To illustrate that what Jameis said didn’t inspire any one of the dedicated, seasoned educators there to politely interrupt or tap Jameis on the shoulder and whisper in his ear to issue a clarification/correction, or inspire a coordinated post-presentation address to correct what Jones says is was a sexist, “irresponsible” message sent to children in their care. It’s all clear in the post. You’re just not seeing it.–Joe

  111. ClodHopper Says:

    Here’s a black guy that got accused of being a predator to a pretty blonde girl. Why? IMO because she consented and liked it more than she wanted to admit. Probably hurt her jaw on his mother [email protected] stick too! Wasn’t too long ago, he wouldn’t have made it out alive!!

    Tom Jones needs to check his privelage and learn the pecking order of marginalization in this country. There’s many more demographics ahead of women and Jameis’ demographic is at the top of the list. So in short, get bent, Tom Jones

    I didn’t read any of the comments yet so I apologize if someone else mentioned that too.

  112. mike Says:

    What Jameis said was stupid. He left out the part they need to be in the kitchen and raise children.

  113. Seminole Bill Says:

    The message Jameis delivered was something most young men need to hear, over and over. That it was directed to the young men in the audience will go far in how those young men treat women. Each day, their ears are treated to rap singers waxing poetically about “bitches” and “hoes”. Good for Jameis.

    And Mr. Jones, Jameis was accused of a sex-related crime, not convicted. We (including you) will never know the truth. Just keep in mind that those in the media were quick to judgment in the Duke lacrosse matter, and a few other high-profile cases afterward. What we do know is that Jameis has conducted himself in a mature manner since joining the Bucs. And that, Mr. Jones, is the real “elephant in the room”.

  114. BKNYfootballhead Says:

    @37

    Mike Adams is an alt-right quack. Utter rubbish the nonsense that he peddles. He’s made well for himself in the pseudo-science world.

  115. BKNYfootballhead Says:

    My bad folks, wrong thread

  116. mark2001 Says:

    Joe…excuse me…but you don’t know what the teachers said to “debrief” the kids after Jameis left. When you invite a high profile speaker to your class, I can understand why you don’t stand up and butt in. How many stand up and stop our President in the middle of his hundredth and counting lies in the last 30 days, while he is speaking? Rare to none. Don’t lay this on the teachers, or we might start thinking you are a Jameis apologist.
    You guys continue to read between the lines and see what’s NOT been written by Joe. And yes, Joe made a few phone calls to inquire about any possible “debrief” –Joe

  117. DavidBigBucsFan99 Says:

    87 That is some awsomeness artwork! How to talk without saying a word! About Obamacare I’m with you I don’t like being forced either. Good concept without that part though, but that’s gonvermental stuff it’s to be expected both parties do it. It’s the Christian Coalition types that the Republican party has pimped themselves out to trying to get their agenda in the political arena so they can force their views and faith on everyone. The kind who think they’re better than others because of their beliefs. Hungry for political power.

    NFLNut since you brought the Bible into this convo when you read, It tells us we shouldn’t do the way the world does. What is that? Money, power , fornication and fame. Christ’s people are supposed to be holy and separate from the world though they do have to live in it. But what you see of these Sunday Christians is total opposite. Pat Robertson and his political and diamond

  118. Rod Munch Says:

    Cucks gonna cuck.

  119. DavidBigBucsFan99 Says:

    Aww come on Gastapo Joe the censor police! That last part of my post wasn’t that bad! I didn’t mention the kay kay kay or any h8 group. Just finishing my post I accidently posted! Come on Wally!

  120. DavidBigBucsFan99 Says:

    Diamond operations and all the these super tv evangelists peddling the Word for monetary gain just like the Bible says of false prophets. NFLNut if you really believed what the Bible said you wouldn’t worship on Sunday the 1st day of the week but the 7th day Sabbath which Christ kept. You wouldn’t worship him using the man made tradition of pagan feasts of Easter and Xmas which the Bible says He was born when it was warm outside. Would Jesus celebrate them? Besides I don’t recollect Fameis even bringing up the Word in his speech. Lovie Smith is a devout Christian but yet many up here (even those who I’m sure are in church every Sunday!) denigrate him like he is such a bad person.

  121. DavidBigBucsFan99 Says:

    These evangelist go against what the Bible tells us to do. NFLNut if you believe the Word you would do what It says.

    Bonzai and mike your earlier comments were stupendous had me rolling!

    Tom Jones is a classless act. It ain’t unusual to be loathed by you is his song.

  122. Buc1987 Says:

    David…I’m further to the right than Rush Limbaugh.

    Am I filled with hate?

    Sorry Joe, but sometimes…

  123. Ndog Says:

    Not that anyone cares but I have lost all respect for Tom Jones. This was 100 an attempt to make Jameis look bad as he choose to focus on two minutes and ignore the other 38 he spoke. He the video they posted was only the two minutes how one sided is that?

  124. BKNYfootballhead Says:

    @87

    Maybe not. Drugs, trans fats, and bu||$h!T, sure.

  125. Jim Says:

    Forget the sexist or political, just dumb to say, given past incidents. Which, BTW, ended up costing the publicly funded FSU $950,000 plus an undisclosed amount from Jameis. Dumb…

  126. Trubucfan22 Says:

    I’ll admit it certainly was a poor message he sent to the girls in that room. Women can be as strong and mighty as any man can be. I understand he was trying to motivate and liven up the room, but it was completely unnecessary to segregate the boys and girls and tell the girls to be silent and soft. It was poor judgement, and he was wrong to say what he said. But i know he didnt mean to put down girls. He just wanted to uplift his boys. The fact i saw this story on my local news station in wisconsin is pretty disturbing. It was an innocent slip of the tongue and the entire nation is trying to humilate and assassinate his character. That is worse than anything Jameis said in that video.

  127. Hawaiian Buc Says:

    It’s sad for our society that people are bashing a 23 year old guy that spends his off time (not getting paid) to go talk at a school, all because he had a little slip of the tongue that offended a few pansies that didn’t like him to begin with. So what?! Were your kids at the school? How does it affect you? Did he commit a crime? Don’t you have something better to do with your time than worry about what a 23 year old says or does? I wouldn’t blame Jameis if he never did any more community service. Of course we all know he will keep on doing great things, and there will continue to be a bunch of jealous losers that will continue finding anything they can to complain about. What a sad life.

  128. Mike Johnson Says:

    Women can be ..whatever they want to be, This is an equal opportunity…society..right?. Well. its suppose to be here in america. Eyes all for it. BUTT…Sexy to me is not a lady with bulging biceps and Hulk Hogan Muscles. Hell, you might as well go..Man wed man right?,,…NOT!!!.

  129. Poor Glennon Says:

    Hey c’mon we knew #3 wasn’t the sharpest tool in the shed. When he had a plate of crab legs. At his draft party.

  130. Please Says:

    Obviously Jamies is a terrible public speaker… if school kids are dozing off in his speeches..

    It was pretty cringeworthy just reading, but not a news story. It wouldn’t be a bad idea if Jamies went back and told those kids what he meant, and yes that girls are as strong as boys.

    Unless he wants to run with it, and have a “be a strong man, husband and father” campaign message during his career. Which would actually be unique, cool and needed. Man I’m a good marketer… though, deserved or not, he does carry baggage that would make it seem ironic.

    Also,it is not Biblical — Paul (who said women should keep quiet in the assembly, among other things) taught relative to his times, to keep peaceful in society, which kept Christians alive and not seen as troublemakers

  131. NFLNut Says:

    DavidBigBucsFan99 … you sad:

    “These evangelist go against what the Bible tells us to do. NFLNut if you believe the Word you would do what It says. ”

    Explain yourself.

    Please … you said “it is not Biblical” … nonsense. The Bible was not written by Paul and it is not something that can be changed or spoken away … it stands for all times, be they ancient or modern.

    Like I said before, if the Bible’s teaching on women is archaic, then so to s the so-called “Golden Rule”, and all the “politically correct” stuff that everyone accepts. That is nonsense … accept it all or reject it all.

  132. NFLNut Says:

    To clarify the above, when I said the Bible was not written by Paul, I simply meant that I take 2 Timothy 3:16 literally.

  133. LA Bucs fan Says:

    Love how all the fragile pansies say this is political correctness run amok, yet at the same time wanted Evans run out of town for taking a knee. How hypocritical

  134. richbucsfan Says:

    Now, it’s on national news. Is this really what Jones was aiming for…destroy a young man who is more exuberant that polished with his speech? Good job, Tom. You got what you wanted…national headlines. You have now reached the pinnacle of your profession as currently defined…destroy someone and you’re da man. Your left leaning politics began to be very obvious on the radio show. Glad that’s over, but 620 needs local programming by talented people.

  135. Mike Says:

    The comment about keeping the girls silent is only mildly annoying to this father of a little girl… what’s troubling is that this illiterate would ever be put in a position to motivate kids. “We strong?” After all the internet memes making fun of that horrible postgame interview, he still actually uses that material?

    It is what it is… he’s got an IQ of 80. And has no place in a classroom, unless it’s 1st grade grammar and he’s in one of the chairs.

  136. Mord Says:

    I agree with what D-Rome said

    http://www.joebucsfan.com/2017/02/tampa-bay-times-plays-gotcha-jameis/#comment-3780797

    A better, less equivocal apology would have made this less newsworthy

    Jameis added to his list of mistakes by apologizing for ‘word choice’. The rest of his explanation about not wanting to single out the one boy makes sense, and is an honorable motivation, but had he more contritely reacted to the broader wrongness in the unintentional part of his message, rather than coming off like he was trying to minimize or downplay it, we’d have far less to talk about.

    As for the national media covering this, don’t forget, outside of Tampa Bay, he’s still fairly reviled, and they haven’t really followed him enough to see all the good stuff that would have fueled some benefit-of-doubt over something like this .

    IMO, he improvised with good intentions, and threw a pick-six on this one, but he can still own the mistake more fully and make things right for the kids and parents this may have actually affected, as well as for himself

  137. Buc1987 Says:

    Just stay away from helping kids Jameis.

    Be more like Sapp. That’s what they want anyways.

  138. buc15 Says:

    Local media has been begging to find some way to throw dirt on Winston & this is the best they could do? Keep doing what you do Jameis, we got your back and admire all the work you do with kids.

  139. Jay Bucs Fan Says:

    Tom Jones also wanted to give Josh a 120 million dollar contract and sign Johnny Manziel so what credibility does he have

  140. lurker Says:

    blame the teachers?!?

    freaking crazy joes and blind love for jameis. this is just silly talk by the joes. smh

  141. unbelievable Says:

    Just another example of Tom Jones having nothing insightful to say about the game of football, and instead attacking players for no good reason.

    Does anyone read anything that Jones writes anymore?

  142. Joe Says:

    Tom Jones also wanted to give Josh a 120 million dollar contract and sign Johnny Manziel so what credibility does he have

    Joe wanted Johnny, too. Hardly alone in that (group also included Bill Polian and Gil Brandt).