Mike Williams Traded

April 4th, 2014

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Various reports on the Interwebs are reporting Bucs wide receiver Mike Williams has been shifted off to Buffalo for the dreaded sixth round pick this morning.

The move reunites Williams with his old college coach, Bills head master Doug Marrone.

Williams was embroiled in off-field news that claimed he wasn’t the best of neighbors. The Bucs had been tiring of learning of the Mickey Mouse nonsense and apparently getting stabbed by his brother was enough for the Bucs to want to wash their hands of him.

At the NFL owners meetings in Orlando last week, Bucs coach Lovie Smith adamantly said he wasn’t going to cut Williams because he was a victim of a stabbing.

Lovie was true to his word. He just traded him instead.

295 Responses to “Mike Williams Traded”

  1. bucrightoff Says:

    Someone took on the contract? Gotta be a 4th rounder or so.

  2. bucrightoff Says:

    Nope, its a 6th rounder from Buffalo….

  3. thegregwitul Says:

    I just posted this in the Verner thread, but I might as well move it here to keep the conversation on topic:

    No cap hit for the Bucs and they land a draft pick for Williams when we have seen an entire offseason of productive vets hit the open market due to their previous salaries. Mike goes back home to Buffalo and his former college coach. This is a win/win for both teams.

    Living in Buffalo and with the Bills being in a different conference and playing the Bucs every four years, I root for the Bills anytime they aren’t playing the Bucs; awesome fanbase and great tailgating. I was a big Mike Williams fan even before the Bucs drafted him, so if he had to leave the team, this is the best landing spot for him (and also his last chance to turn it around as an NFL player). I hope it works out for both teams.

  4. Lev Says:

    Finally. Kid had to go. Good job Lovie.

  5. Captain Stagger Says:

    6th rd pick…….the bills just took us behind the woodshed

  6. The_Buc_Realist Says:

    Yes, Yes, what a great day in Tampa Bay, now I hope that the Truth will come out about Mike ( House Party ) Williams. Some people around here will be shocked.

    Its a great day in Tampa Bay, Be a Legend Lovie!!!!

  7. Jwayne Says:

    So it’s safe to say we go after Sammy at this point?!

  8. pablo Says:

    For a 6th rounder???? We got fleeced guy was a solid #2 when on the field…

  9. kryq Says:

    Watkins or Evans now.

  10. SteveK (MGM) Says:

    This is a great trade.

    1.5m freed up this year. We can still sign some guys.

    We have also regained the 6th round pick Dominick forfeited to Chicago for Carimi.

    I can see the Licht.

  11. bucrightoff Says:

    6th rounder is absolutely horrific value. Not at all impressed by this return. Offense is going to be horrible again next year, looks like 17-13 will be how we intend on winning.

  12. Shawnbucfan Says:

    So does that mean Monday nights party is cancelled ?

  13. Jeagan1999 Says:

    I think Williams was worth more than a 6th, but this clears the way for the Bucs to draft Watkins or Evans in the 1st round. I think MW19 wore out his welcome in Tampa, I hope he grows up and has a nice career in Buffalo.

  14. Walter Says:

    Not sure how I feel about this move. :/

  15. BigMacAttack Says:

    Taking out the stinking garbage. Another player loaded with talent, like Freeman that couldn’t grow up. Good riddance. Couldn’t see this coming? Lovie is obviously not putting up with divas or their crap, no matter what their talent level. If you want to play for this team, you better act like an adult. This is the best time to clean house and another overpaid player.

  16. Scotty in Fat Antonio Says:

    Hmmm…wondering if we will be signing another WR today. Who is still out there?

  17. dre-day Says:

    dammit…. i’m tired of this crap… this is not the NATIONAL UPSTANDING SUPER CITIZEN LEAGUE…. it’s the NATIONAL FOOOOOOOOOOOOTBAAAAAAAAAAAAALLLLLLL LEAGUE. we never even suspended the kid. we just outright got rid of em’? this game has gone SOFT. it should be called the national FEELINGS league now. this is crap

  18. Joe Says:

    Not sure how I feel about this move. :/

    Same. Just from what Louis Murphy told Joe about yesterday, it seemed Lovie wanted him more than Williams.

  19. Buc1987 Says:

    His neighbors are going to throw their own house party tonight!

  20. [email protected] Roof Cleaning Says:

    Another wasted draft pick of the “Rockstar” Mark Dominik.
    This move pretty much tells the NFL who and what position Tampa will draft with our number 7 pick.

  21. Couch Fan Says:

    Sorry I just dont see this as a win/win for the Bucs. Now we are down to 1 good receiver who is above 30. Unless the 6th round pic has starting potential.I just dont see how the Bucs are better for this.

  22. brandonbucfan Says:

    Again, there must be more to this story than has come out. Glad we got a pick but this puts us where we didn’t want to be in the first round. It almost HAS to be Sammy or Evans now. Sorry Joe.

  23. The_Buc_Realist Says:


    LOL, and they will burn mattresses in the front yard!

  24. Tut Says:

    Looks like Evans or Cooks in the 1st round now

  25. Tnew Says:

    Mike Evans at 7

  26. Macabee Says:

    If the Eagles could part ways with a talent like Desean Jackson, then surely the Bucs could say goodbye to Mike Williams. These are not cuts or trades and shouldn’t be viewed in terms of value. These are exorcisms – when a team doesn’t want you as a team mate anymore!

  27. Couch Fan Says:

    Another wasted draft pick of the “Rockstar” Mark Dominik.
    This move pretty much tells the NFL who and what position Tampa will draft with our number 7 pick.


    This is not a wasted draft pick by Dom. This was actually one of the very few that have worked out. On the field anyways. Williams was worth every bit of that 4th round pic and then some. Some people will say anything to hate on someone they dont like.

  28. Max Says:

    What a waste, how much talent have we lost because some egomaniac wants to send a message.

  29. Destinjohnny Says:

    Love it!!!!!! Extra cash as well!!! trade back trade back and trade back again.> this draft is soooooo deep we can get starters way back in this draft.

  30. bucrightoff Says:

    Ray Rice literally beats the living crap out of his fiance and has a job. NFL is a strange world. Lovie better hope Mike is a bust going forward, because if he continues to put up 900-1100 yards and 6-9 TDs this trade is going to be a massive mistake.

  31. mpmalloy Says:



  32. Couch Fan Says:

    And the eagles have Cooper and Maclin to replace D-Jax. What do the Bucs have? Not a damn thing.

    I dont think that is a good comparison.

  33. johnny Says:

    We got a 6th Rd Pick for a guy with a troubled past , coming off a knee injury , recently stabbed and with alot of space …genius move ..

  34. Buc1987 Says:

    THE TEAM IS REBUILDING. I don’t care what they tell you. Obviously it’s going to take a long long long time for this new team to gel. It’s going to take twice as long for me to learn all the new players.

    Are they going to change the name of the team too?

  35. Patrick in VA Says:

    I may be confusing the story but isn’t Marrone the coach that asked him not to come back his last year in college?

  36. Couch Fan Says:

    Everybody loathed Schiano for getting rid of players with talent. Now Lovie does the same thing and everyone is singing his praises? LMAO.

  37. Architek Says:

    Hahahahaha hahahhahahaha

    In Lovie we trust!!!!!

    What were you apologists saying again???

    Joe you also guaranteed Williams would be around.

    No nonsense just start a winning culture and stop with so many excuses all the time for failures! Dominik told you he made mistakes and stuck with them and these guys obviously get it! Bye Williams and wish you best of luck but you’re a magnet for bad things and trouble is waiting on you.


  38. Buc1987 Says:

    Well Realist I had some neighbors like Mike. I was literally dancing in the street right in front of them when U-Haul was backed up. I know how they feel right now.

  39. The_Buc_Realist Says:

    Some people around here need to face the hard facts! No one here can say that Coach Schiano was a good or a bad coach. He had to fight against the Pop-star’s crappy roster the whole time. Now we see that Lovie and Licht see the same thing.

    there was a reason so many Rudgers Free-agents came here and out-performed pop-stars crappy roster. As Chris Laundry said, ” any coach in the nfl could not squeeze much more juice ( now we know its a lemon) from the Bucs roster than schiano”

  40. Hank Says:

    Able to move the idiot without hurting the cap….. Brilliant! He can be replaced by about 20 WR’s in this draft.

  41. Buc1987 Says:

    Couch Fan Says:
    April 4th, 2014 at 11:55 am

    “Everybody loathed Schiano for getting rid of players with talent. Now Lovie does the same thing and everyone is singing his praises? LMAO.”

    Give it time man, give it time. If the wins don’t come and these players that he let go produce for other teams. Buc fans will turn on Lovie in hot second.

    Get the billboards ready!

  42. Westsidebucsfan Says:

    I hope him and his “caveman gang” have sweaters! I’m just bummed we only got a 6th. Wish it was a 4th

  43. tmaxcon Says:

    With deep wr draft I disagree this locks the bucs in at 7. Johnny at 7 please. Many of the talking heads have stated there are starting caliber wr available through 3rd round. Given off season distractions and coming off a brutal hamstring they were lucky to get a 6th Rd pick. Man I can’t wait to read the comments when they get rid of Glennon next.

  44. Couch Fan Says:


    Joe has made many guarantees that have not panned out, which he pretty much completely ignores when he’s wrong. Hope you aren’t expecting anything different this time. Lol

  45. BigMacAttack Says:

    ^^^ DJ agreed, many good receivers in this draft^^^

  46. nate_tweetz Says:

    Guys, they did not want Williams on the team. period. They did not want to cut him because of the salary cap. It is a win/win because the Bucs got him gone without the cap hit and got a spare 1.8 for this season. The 6th rd draft pick is icing on the cake. They pretty much released him without the cap penalty. What kind of compensation did you guys expect to get from a guy who had a steak knife in his leg a couple weeks ago and all of this off-the-field antics starting to get media attention. We’re lucky anyone was willing to trade. Let’s get real guys!

    I think ist’s a good move. I’m sure the WR position will be addressed in the next couple months.

  47. Jerry Says:

    Let’s see, our offensive weapons are VJax and…………..

    I might say Martin but he’s got no o-line.

    This team is several years away from being relevant.

  48. Drew Says:

    MW had a lot of baggage and immaturity coming into the NFL. He quit on his college team and may have been doing the same as a Buc, but Caveman style. IMO, the team is better off not having to deal with all the negativity MW brings to the table. Good Riddance!!!

    Loving L&L and what their doing.

  49. Unbelievable Says:

    A 6th round pick? What a joke. I’ve been on board with L&L but this move sucks. Hey I know, let’s deplete our WR corp even more. A 6th rounder, seriously? This is pathetic.

    Can’t believe how many ppl wanted this guy gone bc he had house parties and broke a door. He’s a 25 year old athlete with lots of money, duh. Not condoning the behavior but let’s not act like the majority of players are upstanding citizens. They’re just not. I don’t want a team of goody-good, god-fearing players, I want a team that wins.

    6th rounder? What a joke. This sucks

  50. BigMacAttack Says:

    They can use this 6’th round pick for moving up later in the draft..

  51. Corey Says:

    Ehhhhh, a 6th rounder for a troubled receiver. He’s worth more but has some baggage and the bills weren’t gonna risk any more than a 6th.

    Looks like were getting Evans at 7 or Watkins. (DOn’t think he’ll be there)

  52. Oil Derrick Brooks Says:


    Let your LovieLicht shine!!!

    There’s a reason that only 3 GMs inquired to Marrone about Williams before the draft, and one never returned a phone message to Marrone.

    I love it.

  53. deminion Says:

    love the move more cap only bad part is looks like we have been pigeonholed again o well watkins or evans i wouldnt mind just win baby

  54. Buc1987 Says:

    Poor Schiano having to deal with that crap of a roster. How did he win 4 games with such a lack of talent on his team and all the injuries. Maybe he was not too bad of a coach after all.

    Like I said when the fire Schiano rumblings started. Be careful what some of you wish for. Who’s next Doug Martin?

    Don’t get me wrong I still trust Lovie…for I have no choice do I.

  55. Rrsrq Says:

    Can’t believe only got a sixth rounder, don’t like this move. The early moves I was on board with, but the return on Zuttah and Williams do not make much sense to me. Legitimate starters and can only get 5th and 6th rounders. At least rock star only gave up a 6th for a non starter in Gabe (whatever his last name is). They have to get better value if giving up starters. Bucs now NEED Sammy Watkins. By holding on to Williams they had more options, imo.

  56. deminion Says:

    how much would it take to move up and grab sammy anyone have an idea?

  57. bucrightoff Says:

    Johnny fans are crushed by this news. Its Evans, Ebron or Watkins at 7. Bucs have no weapons besides VJax, who by the way is 31 and will begin slidding soon. They need a top end option for many more years. Can’t get that in the 2nd round. Trading up for Sammy is acceptable if the price is right, but no going overboard.

  58. BucsfaninChina Says:

    Here is the deal: Williams wasnt even that good. Yeah he could catch some jump balls every now and then and had decent hands, but when it comes down to it he was an expendable player even before the off the field issues.

    Evans in the first, or BPA at 7/Moncrief/Richardson and the offense will be back on track. Booyah

  59. finishers Says:

    see ya punk! and we still got more than the Eagles did they had to cut a true # wr.

  60. snook Says:

    He was done after this season anyways. Makes almost $7M in 2015. No thanks.

  61. Couch Fan Says:

    If you really think there are 20 receivers in this draft who are going to have a 900 yard and 10+ TDs in there rookie season. Then something is wrong with you.

    It’s fine to not like Mike because of his off field issues. I get it. But dont be stupid about his talent and production. With the exception of last year, where he barely played… he was very productive.

  62. dylan Says:

    Trasnlation: Forget about Johhny Football or Kahlil Mack at 7; Watkins or Evans will be the pick.

  63. tj Says:

    i agree lol

  64. ander Says:

    bucs just love making other teams better. also the bucs in my opinion have the worst receiving corp right now in the nfl with this move. other than jackson we are pretty much on thin ice, so my guess is lovie smith better get watkins or evans because i just dont see this team being competive with the receivers we have right now

  65. eric Says:

    This may mean we can put an end to the JFB non-sense thank goodness!

  66. DallasBuc Says:

    Sickening…losing faith rapidly

    Classic purge for the sake of. Better be a good explanation for this crap

  67. Bucamania Says:

    Hope the Caveman Gang likes artic winters! #CMG #getoutoftown

  68. Unbelievable Says:

    @couch, agreed brotha !

  69. Buc1987 Says:

    bucrightoff…the draft is deep at WR, but I think you might be right. This might spell doom for the Johnny Jackass fans.

  70. Oil Derrick Brooks Says:

    Remember when Lovie said Mike Williams would not be cut, and everybody hung on that? I pointed out that he never said he wouldn’t trade him.

    This is not KC. This is a bigger rebuild. Whether by talent or by character, Dominik did not create the same roster that Piloi did.

  71. deminion Says:

    a friend told me it would take a 2nd or 3rd to move up im totally disagreed a gm will laugh at that asking price to move up a few spots

  72. The_Buc_Realist Says:

    of course we will not get a rookie to put up those numbers. But that is because the bucs will spread the ball around and won’t have Lock-on Freeman that is reading only 1 route.

  73. deminion Says:

    sammy @ 7

  74. Architek Says:

    Couch Fan,
    You’re right and Joe is Joe and I bleeping have a addiction for their slanted views that they publish. Kind of their addiction to the Texas size midget of a qb~

    Anyway, you’re right about the fans and us turning on staffs and the team. I offer you this rebuttal, it’s not the doing of fans but the doing of the NFL business model. This is a brutal and expensive gladiator sport. Pricy entertainment and very little room for over and above loyalty is dying – unless you build a lasting contender.

    That remains to be seen post Gru era. I have feeling though we are getting things right though.

  75. MikeGlennonFans Says:

    Bucs will move up in the draft and secure Watkins. STL will be the trading partner.

  76. Couch Fan Says:

    I like everything Lovie has done this far. But this move really really scares me. I was hoping for a rookie to come in and play the slot with 2 vets. Now we are going to start a rookie receiver.

  77. Brian Says:

    I agree with Dylan, I think the Bucs will take a hard look at Sammy Watkins or Mike Evans with the 7th pick, I would prefer Evans, who is a beast and would create a lot of matchup problems with teams. I disagree with those who say that Evans is a clone to Vincent Jackson; Evans has more speed than Jackson and would be a hell of a pick!

  78. Buc1987 Says:

    ODB…there is no question about it. This is a rebuild. A massive one.

  79. Architek Says:

    Yes, when Lovie speaks about you in the media and it’s not positive, you’re on the block and that’s very clear to me too!

    A few of us said it two weeks ago that MW was gone.

    I think I persuaded a few to believe it as well.

  80. Luther Says:

    I don’t understand how anyone can be happy about this. Mike Williams was a good #2 receiver for us. Now we have another huge hole in our offense. Now we go into the draft having to get QB, OL and WR and it’s not optional on any of them.

  81. Arealbucsfan Says:

    Looks like we’re drafting a receiver with our 1st

  82. tmaxcon Says:

    Please remember MW hamstring required surgery how many wr that get that surgery are ever 100% or do not have lingering issues with hammy. Might be more than house parties and steak knives here. Only time will tell.

  83. Bucs fan in NC Says:

    This was dumb. You will never get a guy with Williams’ skill set in the 6th, not even in this draft that is supposedly stacked at WR. The only way this makes sense is if we use that pick to move up and grab Sammy.

  84. nate_tweetz Says:

    L&L are trying to replenish their draft picks and get as many as they can to be as flexible as possible in the draft. If you guys haven’t noticed, they want to completely rebuild this team with the exception of about 4 players. L&L want draft picks (yes, even late round ones) so they can pick THEIR guys and/or be able to move up and down the draft board by packing picks together. L&L know what they are doing. They have been calculated and have a plan. They’re not making decisions by the seat of their pants.

  85. Drew Says:

    At least MW has some new material for his next smash hit.

    They kicka me outa! They kicka me outa! Da Tampa da Bay!
    They do me a wronga! They do me a wronga! For not putting up wit my shiat!

    Word! I’m outty here!

  86. bucrightoff Says:

    It’s not a deep draft for #1 WRs. Its a deep draft for #2 and #3 receivers. Evans and Watkins are the only true #1 types. VJax is not getting younger, the Bucs need to look for his replacement, ideally, at a cheap rookie contract rate. But this team is going to be very bad offensively without adding at least 1 more true receiving weapon. Again criticize Williams for his off the field issues, but he had 2,700 yards and 23 TDs in 3 seasons before getting hurt last year. Not as simple as plug the next guy in and expect the same results, unless its a high end talent.

  87. Buc1987 Says:

    Realist those jerseys with velcro names and numbers are looking better every day.

    A player on this team better not forget to tip their waitress or they might be let go the next day.

  88. Bronze Badger Says:

    I understand the move, but not the timing of it. Granted, a 6th rounder isn’t breathtaking but considering no one seems to want to give up picks, it’s better than releasing him. To me this would have been more advantageous to do during the draft not before it.

  89. Robert Cooper Says:


    the kind of men L&L want as Bucs than the last guys any day.

    Taking out the trash, getting a pick & $1.8 million more on the cap? Not bad at all.

    I detect a WR in the first round now.

  90. Buc1987 Says:

    bucrightoff …well they better not trade up for Watkins is all I’m saying. Take Evans at 7 if they like, but don’t trade up for anyone.

  91. Architek Says:

    I’m getting one – mark it down! LOL

  92. Bucsfanman Says:

    @Couch- I agree. The guy was productive on the field aside from last year when he was injured. I love how all these people are beating their chest like it’s some kind of vindication. We did not get better on the field with this move.
    I really don’t know how to feel about this move.

  93. kgh4life Says:

    What are the bucs doing? Don’t they want to win? Granted, Mike had some off the field problems, but nothing too severe to get traded and for a 6th round pick, at least a 4th rounder would suffice. At least we have a good idea what position the bus will focus on. I expect the bucs to draft multiple WRs: in the first and probably 3rd.

  94. Fuzzy Red Coin Purse Says:

    Nope party not canceled Monday just moved North a 1000 or so miles. Party on CMG!……up in the cold, snowy, dark, North where dreams go to die….Buffalo hahahahaha

  95. AF Buc Says:

    I still stand by the statement that Williams is way overrated for the contract he was gifted. I’m glad we got at least a 6th, I would have been fine with cutting him outright.

  96. Touchdown Gus Says:

    You all think we MUST pick a receiver at number 7 are foolish. Still have more players that can get traded or release to free agency. And in one of the deepest receiving classes we have seen in years, we can get a good starter in 3rd round if necessary. I know it’s hard, we’ve been through a lot bucs fans, but we need to give these guys a full offseason before we can judge

  97. Oahubuc Says:

    I disagree that this absolutely means no QB in the 1st. A good QB has a way of making mediocre receivers look good.

  98. Macabee Says:

    IF I were Mike, I would not invest in winter clothes. The Bills are going to be sold By October and moved to Los Angeles by January, 2015!

  99. bucsQcCity Says:

    I would have tolerated MW another year because of its salary cap hit wasn’t much this year and the lack of WR depth but I would have dumped him at the end of the year so it is not like I will miss him. He came here as a 4th round pick with a muddy past. Since then he got 1 1/2 good season then he got hurt, party hard, got into troubles and stabbed. Anyone expecting more than a 6th round pick was crazy at this point. Face it, he is the same kind of WR that VJ is: Not a burner, good at winning 50/50 jump balls nothing else. He doesn’t fit in the speed into space mantra.

    WR draft is deep but every team knows it so even if it’s deep, quality will dry up faster than other positions IMO. I think we’ll trade down and draft Cooks in 1st round. Watkins would be awesome but he’ll be gone at #7 and looking at how Licht is trying to regain the maximum picks he can don’t makes me believe that he’ll trade the farm to go north in the draft.

    I’m more concerned with the Zuttah trade since we still have some OL starters and depth issue

  100. Couch Fan Says:

    I offer you this rebuttal, it’s not the doing of fans but the doing of the NFL business model. This is a brutal and expensive gladiator sport. Pricy entertainment and very little room for over and above loyalty is dying – unless you build a lasting contender.


    I understand what you are saying. And I agree to a certain point. But teams that usually do this do it to older players or when then have or think they have a suitable replacement. We have nothing. And I know we are going to draft his replacement but dam… hoping he produces anywhere close to Mike as a rookie is all just hoping for the best. I just dont see how this improves us as a team.

  101. tmaxcon Says:

    Need a qb before wr otherwise it’s putting cart before horse. Johnny at 7

  102. ander Says:

    their is no way the bucs dont pick up watkins or evans in the 1st round, our receiving corp right now its pretty bad besides jackson

  103. Oil Derrick Brooks Says:

    “L&L are trying to replenish their draft picks and get as many as they can to be as flexible as possible in the draft.”

    I would agree with that. I also wonder if they are looking for a different type of receiver, i.e. speed in space.

    But, I think MW’s knuckleheadedness didn’t help. And, I wonder what the public doesn’t know behind the scenes. There could be more that LovieLicht didn’t like.

    When you see a guy coming out of college with so much character questions that only 3 GMs inquire to the coach, there’s some serious smoke. I think Dominik tried to be too smart for his own good. Always trying to mine contaminated wells. Same goes for Bowers, but on an injury level.

  104. Architek Says:

    Guys stop pouting about an average WR!!!

    Tell me what about his game made him irreplaceable?

    What accomplishment that is not replaceable?

    22 TDs ok and what else because he was the only WR, next. No pro bowls, no recognition among the upper half of WRs, no speed no separation inconsistent hands the past two years! And definitely a head ache off the field, damn our standards have dropped!

    I am so glad we have some one running the team that knows winning moves and culture. If Belicheat can cut former all pros then what do we owe this cave man clan leader?

  105. Buc1987 Says:

    Gus says”

    It may not be a must, but I predict it happening.

  106. Aubpierce Says:

    Best move by Lovie to date.The question is are there anymore trouble makers left?Thank you Gregg for Freeman,and thank Lovie for Williams. I hope the purge is complete.

  107. Justin Says:

    They gave Mike Williams away..The Bucs will not find any starters in the 6th round, I don’t care how deep this years draft claims to be..The only way to salvage this is to sign a Sidney Rice type WR or some veteran who can put up the numbers Williams can. He had 2 1,000 yard seasons (yes, I am counting his 996 in 2012) after being drafted in the 4th round only 4 years ago, so I don’t think there is any justification to accept anything lower than the round he was drafted in, if not a 3rd. Look at the track record of WR’s going in the 4th round, he has clearly outplayed a good number of receivers taken. The fact they are giving him away sucks because it now gives us another pressing need in the draft, and we honestly don’t need any more offensively..Our #1 receiver is aging and slow, there are gaps on the offensive line, we have no tight ends, and our quarterback situation is sub par..They need to grab some help as soon as possible, or it won’t make a difference who is taking snaps if there is no one to throw the ball to. Lovie is supposedly great on defense, but I am growing more concerned the the offense is going to be their Achilles heel this year. Having a strong defense is great but without scoring points it doesn’t matter how good you are..I am giving Licht and Lovie the benefit of the doubt for now, but instead of having to draft a #3 WR and add to a strong receiving duo, they now have taken a step back.

  108. bucslandonrevisisland Says:

    This could have waited for after the draft they pigion hole us but good news is i want evans this is beyond stupid move no excuse to ship mw out for a 6th rd.should be a 3rd pk at worst we got nothing for zuttah nothing for revis and nothing for mike nothing for freeman bunch of nothingssss

  109. Couch Fan Says:


    Hope your right.


    Agreed. As of right now we are not better for this move and when we draft his replacement it will be a few years before we can even begin to judge it. But going into the season with just 1 established receiver is a scary thought.

  110. Architek Says:

    I hear you man and I know it’s concerning bro.

    Let’s just trust and give them a chance just as we did for they others, their résumé deserves that at least.

    Their is still ample time to at the least find what he brought as a possession receiver.

  111. Buc1987 Says:

    Joe cannot see the Bucs letting Revis go.
    Joe sees Freeman as the starter for the Bucs until about week 8.
    Joe cannot see the Bucs letting Mike Williams go.
    Joe knows…

  112. Buc1987 Says:

    Penn is the problem. Okay Joe I’ll stop it now.

  113. getaclue Says:

    Was smart to move him now,before he takes up 7-9 mil a year in cap space every year after this one.

  114. Architek Says:

    I’m also glad Wed has already passed so the possession receiver don’t dominate the 4 o clock hour of WDAE Joe.

  115. Patrick Says:

    This team is a god damn joke. CONGRATS, we just created a huge hole on our offense!!!!

  116. bucrightoff Says:

    tmaxcon Says:
    April 4th, 2014 at 12:27 pm
    Need a qb before wr otherwise it’s putting cart before horse. Johnny at 7

    If you’re going to play this card, offensive line is the only pick. Doesn’t matter who the QB is if he’s spending 60% of his Sundays on the ground. It all starts with offensive line, last year’s final four all had top 6 offensive lines.

  117. tmaxcon Says:

    Remember he still has to pass a physical to consummate trade

  118. Buc1987 Says:

    ODB, Haw Buc and me called this one even after Lovie said he was not letting him go. I said I still expect it to happen. ODB said he still could be traded anyways. Haw Buc also said it was still going to happen.

    It sucks I know. I like Mike Williams as the #2.

  119. Architek Says:


    You are right with Couch and I – Joe deemed all these supposedly players as mainstays.

    So much for the Insider and unbiased reporting that the Times came under fire for: Times 4 – Joe 0 (BTW Freeman career is over too as I predicted)

  120. Eric Says:

    Chop chop chop on the dead wood.

    Obviously Lovie fails to appreciate the allure of the Rock’s team.

  121. tmaxcon Says:


    You are absolutely correct. The line is scary at the moment

  122. LUVMYBUCS Says:

    Possible Free Agent Target-

    WR Earl Bennett (2013 Stats)

    • (32) Receptions
    • (243) Yards
    • (4) Touchdowns

  123. William Says:

    Tampa is running out of beer. The weekend it officially started for many. From depression to celebration is felt throughout Tampa.

    Friendly reminder for those who are depress:


    Also there is a good chance we can get good quality 2nd and 3rd receivers in the draft. Relax Bucs fans. Enjoy your weekend. Soon Joe will have more positive updates. Relax… LOL

  124. Ghost Says:

    They probably figured to get out from under mike (house party)
    Williams while he still had some value left to salvage. Opening day is
    A long time to have plenty of house parties and mattresses out on the lawn good job L&L.

  125. The_Buc_Realist Says:


    I just bought a lottery ticket, I just need Joe to tell me that I won’t win the lottery!

  126. Patrick Says:

    Oh I get it……so let’s trade a proven wide receiver and draft an unproven one in the 1st round. Just to replace a hole that we just now created.

  127. Buc1987 Says:

    Eric or he could care less about offense. Which spells doom for your boy wonder at 7.

  128. getaclue Says:

    He is marginal at best,never put up over 1000 now or when he was the number one wr, coming off injury with character issues. Could of kept him but if he doesn’t produce you can’t move him and have to eat a lot of cap room assuming he stops being stupid also, his salary is over for what it should be for his skill set starting next year. We have an extra 2 mil now but an extra 7 to 9 every year after. Don’t assume we draft wr first either cause it is a deep draft at wr

  129. Orca Says:

    The collective angst about this move is beyond reason. Get a grip. Breathe deeply. It will be OK. I wanted Williams to stay and get his act together, but apparently L&L felt it would be better to move on. They have more info on the situation than we do.

  130. Oil Derrick Brooks Says:


    HA!!!!! At least we know who won’t be picked in the first.

  131. Couch Fan Says:

    Wonder what Mike will say about the Bucs in his next few interviews. Should be interesting.

  132. Eric Says:

    Draft is deep at wide receiver, no need to burn our seven pick on one.

    Johnny/Bridgewater/Bortles at seven, receivers in round 2 and 3.

    Makeover complete when Glennon released before camp.

  133. Patrick Says:

    Only 3 players left from the 2010 team……..that fluke of a season is almost a 100% waste now. Blount, Williams, etc…..all those young talented players GONE from the team.

  134. Barry Says:

    Good they got a 6th for him. Ida cut his a ss in January. Ppl in Avila gonna get they’re Crunk on after hearing about this.

  135. tmaxcon Says:

    Eric I like your scenario… I’d prefer if the could fleece a 6 or 7th rounder for Glennon but I doubt it.

  136. Buc1987 Says:

    “Makeover complete”

    This is a rebuild son. Get ready to buy your playoff tickets in 2016.

  137. Snook Says:

    I’ve never seen a fan base that gets so attached to players. Especially ones that aren’t even that good.

    This hurts the Bucs in 2014. That’s about it. He’ll be replaced by a rookie most likely and that’s a downgrade. But after that, he makes $7-8M in 2015-2017. Not even close to being worth that. Especially with all the dumpster fires that seem to start around his presence off the field.

  138. Patrick Says:

    Lovie has already lied regarding the future of two players. If you’re not even gonna speak the truth, just shut your mouth coach.

  139. William Says:

    Hell lets just skip the DRAFT and get all free agents! LOL

  140. Buc1987 Says:

    Is anyone watching Twitter?

  141. Couch Fan Says:

    Should of kept Dom to help with trades. It was one thing he was good at. Lol

  142. Snook Says:

    Rebuilds don’t have to take 2-3 seasons.

    The 2008 Falcons are a perfect example.

    They hired a competent head coach.
    They put a solid running game together.
    And they drafted a QB that doesn’t suck.

    2014 is the Bucs’ year. There is no rebuilding process. We’re in the midst of it.

  143. Hawaiian Buc Says:

    The only thing that is remotely shocking about this move is that someone actually traded for him. I thought for sure he’d be cut before training camp. Even more amazing is that he got traded to his hometown. Now he’ll be around even more friends. What could possibly go wrong? Anyone who is shocked by this must be new to the NFL. New regime, new attitude. It sucks from a football standpoint because we clearly got worse, but there was absolutely zero chance he was ever going to wear the new uniforms. It doesn’t necessarily mean we draft a wr at #1, but it certainly increases the odds.

  144. tmaxcon Says:

    Patrick it’s not lying when you do not divulge your intentions while shopping players it’s a poker game

  145. Buc1987 Says:

    Patrick Says:
    April 4th, 2014 at 12:45 pm

    “Lovie has already lied regarding the future of two players. If you’re not even gonna speak the truth, just shut your mouth coach.”

    How Schiano-like.

  146. Brandon Says:

    At last the majority of the darlings of the two previous regimes are gone. DJ Toes on the Line, Derrick “Yellow Lamborghini” Ward, Michael “Can’t Catch” Clayon, Leaky Sleepy Rip Van Freeman, now Mike Williams, the 16 Million Dollar Man, nearly all of them signed to terrible contracts, now all gone. Good freaking riddance!

    There are still a few marginal players making a palatable salary (Foster) and a couple more making more than they are worth (Goldson) but this will definitely give the team freedom moving forward. Williams COULD NOT get separation and could not be counted on to stay out of trouble.

    One thing is for sure, Sammy Watkins is a Buc if he is still there at #7 and it wouldn’t surprise me to see them trade up for him…. though I don’t expect it. This team needs more picks, not less… I would rather see them move down.

  147. Snook Says:

    “Lovie has already lied regarding the future of two players.”

    What was the lie about Williams? He said he wouldn’t be cut. And he wasn’t.

  148. Brandon Says:

    I do find it interesting that his new coach is actually his old coach, the one he quit on in college. According to the Bucs, at the time, they interviewed Marrone about Williams and got good reviews… who knew… the guy was apparently telling the truth… or completely oblivious to the Cave Man.

  149. Buc1987 Says:

    Hawaiian Buc …what’s shocking is that I got something Buc related right for once. It’s been a long while.

  150. The_Buc_Realist Says:

    Why do i get the feeling that IF the “Rockstar” had made this trade, they would be giving him his accolades.

    and for Lurker, Accolades means ( an expression of praise )

  151. Brandon Says:

    Buc1987 Says:
    April 4th, 2014 at 12:47 pm
    Patrick Says:
    April 4th, 2014 at 12:45 pm

    “Lovie has already lied regarding the future of two players. If you’re not even gonna speak the truth, just shut your mouth coach.”

    How Schiano-like.


    He said he wasn’t going to cut him… he traded him. If he had said he was going to cut him, he would have had ZERO trade value… it’s called being smart. You just aren’t used to it in Tampa. They do it in many NFL cities around the nation, just not recently in the dumb ones like ours.

  152. Phaneuf Says:

    Aight I get the message i’ll go back being a GM in Madden 14 oviously i didn’t get it

  153. lightningbuc Says:

    Half of the Hillsborough County cops, firemen, and EMTs will be laid off now as they will have nothing to do without Williams around.

  154. Oil Derrick Brooks Says:

    “Lovie has already lied regarding the future of two players. If you’re not even gonna speak the truth, just shut your mouth coach.”

    Dude, that’s the same as all good coaches. Ever. It’s called coach speak. It’s good for the many Joes to use for articles, but, otherwise, it’s blather.

    You learn about a regime from their moves, not their mouths.

  155. Buc1987 Says:

    Brandon…that’s true. He also said Revis could play for his defense. He never said that he would play for his defense….

  156. Couch Fan Says:

    http://www.FireLovie.com will soon be in service if he doesn’t win 7 games this year. book it!

  157. Buc1987 Says:

    Buc1987 Says:
    April 4th, 2014 at 12:47 pm

    Patrick Says:
    April 4th, 2014 at 12:45 pm

    “Lovie has already lied regarding the future of two players. If you’re not even gonna speak the truth, just shut your mouth coach.”

    “How Schiano-like.”

    LOL to the whole thing I was just stirring the pot of course!
    Yikes don’t take that serious everyone.

  158. Snook Says:

    If you think Johnny Football is a distraction, then one must agree Mike Williams is as well.

  159. Oil Derrick Brooks Says:



    It also appears Lovie was scared of MW’s ability to pull…….knives out of his leg.

  160. thegregwitul Says:

    Can we all stop with the crying about only getting a 6th round pick for Williams? This isn’t Madden, folks, this is the NFL. The Bucs got more for Williams than the Eagles did for Desean Jackson, a player that didn’t have actual arrests or lawsuits against him. Yeah, he has the gang connection rumors, but he was quickly scooped up for a big money deal by Washington.

    Credit the Bucs for actually landing a draft choice for Williams when all of us knew he was going to be released before training camp. I was hoping like heck that Williams would remain a Buc and would turn it around, but there was just too much happening off the field that both Williams and the Bucs needed a fresh start.

    And for those of you who say that the Bucs can’t land a wideout that can be as productive as Williams in the later rounds of the draft…have you forgotten how good Williams was from day one being a mid round pick? This is a deep draft at wideout and I expect Lovie and Licht to select two receivers unless they sign or trade for a couple veteran wideouts before the draft, in which case it’s a lock that the new regime will draft at least one.

    I’m still not ruling out a QB being selected in the first round either, let’s sit back and see how this unfolds. At the very least, this offseason has been very exciting, can’t wait for this draft.

  161. Snook Says:


    We’re getting rid of all of the dead weight from our 4-12 roster!

    What shall we do?!?!?!

  162. Buc1987 Says:

    Yikes Couch Fan is disgruntled?

  163. lightningbuc Says:


    I hope you noticed Eric’s post above where he says he hopes Glennon is released. Yesterday you claimed no one was saying that, but Eric has been beating that drum for a while now. Be careful before chastising someone.

  164. Orca Says:

    Patrick Says:
    April 4th, 2014 at 12:45 pm

    Lovie has already lied regarding the future of two players. If you’re not even gonna speak the truth, just shut your mouth coach.

    Lied? Did Lovie promise that Williams wouldn’t be traded?

    Uuuhhh, no.

  165. Couch Fan Says:

    Lol I dont like this move but I won’t be the one who starts it. I’m just saying I guarantee you someone will do it. Buc Fans will turn on Lovie so fast if he dont win right out of the gate. Especially after an off season like this.

    Start copying and pasting this stuff to your list ’87. Bet you I’m right!

  166. delson Says:

    Damn lovie. The o line I was like finally, got rid of the weak ass blocking n the high cap figures. The revis release irked me a little. Why not take the 1.8 roster bonus owed n continue shopping him for a trade? Now we have nothing to show for last years first round pick. They guys thatwere signed are nobodys besides jjohnson verner smith n collins. Dominik had a system that worked out very well for our cap n revis could have been given money to reduce his salary this year that would have attracted a trade partner. Mike williams was worth at least the round he was drafted n should have not been traded for a 6th. I’m prayin that we get watkins if not then ee trade back n pick up some picks. Hopefully a qb won’t be in our top 2 picks unless its bortles. But a qb in the 3rd might not be worth drafting.

  167. lightningbuc Says:


    LOL! Yeah, Williams took “pulling” to an all new level.

  168. Oil Derrick Brooks Says:

    “Dominik had a system that worked out very well for our cap”

    Agreed, just not for winning.

  169. Patrick Says:

    Whatever. Mike Williams was supposed to be a major piece of the young foundation of this team. One of those players that was supposed to be here for a young time. He was a huge steal in the draft years ago. And we gave him away for nothing because he likes to rage on the weekends. Earth to everyone; a lot of NFL players aren’t angels. Now we have yet another hole; even while Williams was still here we needed a receiver. Now we need two.

  170. Buc1987 Says:

    “Be careful before chastising someone.”

    lightningbuc…. That’s hilariously impossible at times for Hawaiian.

  171. Seth B Says:

    All I’m going to say is I loved Williams coming out of Syracuse as a player but he had a checkered past, that path has continued. Its always something.

    The people thinking the Bucs should have got more than a 4th round pick dont realize the Bills took on a large chunk of change like 30 million from the Cap over the next 3 years.

    He’s coming off of an injury. he was already slow. He’s never had a 1000 yard season in the modern pass happy NFL.

    Not that big of a deal… More of a hype player than a superstar

  172. Architek Says:

    I don’t know why we are attached to an average WR at best – we don’t know what real talent looks like I guess?

    Dominik sucked at drafting DL and WR oh and QB oh and TE oh and CB. LOL

  173. Oil Derrick Brooks Says:

    -Massive rebuild.

    -Brand new offensive system for whatever QB they choose.

    I’m going to watch at least 8 games before I start to draw conclusions as to where this team is headed.

    Personally, I like almost all the moves. But, even if you don’t, it’s April. Plenty of time.

  174. Buc1987 Says:

    I only have one jersey left of a player still currently on the team. It’s Dougie’s. I hang them all on the wall in my Buc room. Mostly the old timers, but Dougie is the only one left for now.

    I wonder how long before I might have to throw it in the trash. The draft? Doug Martin and the #7 pick to move up and take Watkins or a QB?

    Who knows anymore? Anything can happen. All bets are off. Which player goes next? Any guesses?

  175. Couch Fan Says:

    He may of not had a 1000 yard season but he’s come dam close and let’s not forget the double digit TD’s season he put up. Yes, THAT is a big deal. You can’t just go and replace that easily in free agency. The guy is productive. Unbelieveable that so many people want to discredit his production simply because he has off field issues.

  176. Orca Says:

    Patrick Says:
    April 4th, 2014 at 1:03 pm

    Whatever. Mike Williams was supposed to be a major piece of the young foundation of this team. One of those players that was supposed to be here for a young time. He was a huge steal in the draft years ago. And we gave him away for nothing because he likes to rage on the weekends. Earth to everyone; a lot of NFL players aren’t angels. Now we have yet another hole; even while Williams was still here we needed a receiver. Now we need two.

    Come down off the ledge. Williams, in addition to his personnel behavior, had displayed questionable commitment for awhile. It’s been widely reported that the previous regime would’ve probably cut ties with him too. He’s a good player, but we can do better. Lovie and Licht have been very aggressive in remaking the roster. They’ll get that position figured out.

  177. Orca Says:

    * personal, not personnel… duh.

  178. Big Rob Says:

    Mike Williams is a possession receiver. Those can be acquired relatively easy. There is nothing special about a receiver that can’t create separation. All his good catches were just jump balls.

  179. Buc1987 Says:

    Orca…lol. I know one thing. This team has been like a soap opera for awhile now. Like turning pages on a book. A book that reads like a fictional horror, but unfortunately it’s been non-fiction for us fans.

    Lovie’s plan had better work. Right, Couch Fan?

    Another page just turned. Next chapter.

  180. Newbucsfan!!! Says:

    I said it before trade vjax for a pick this year and next year. this year especially the first 5 games will be all about teaching and learning the new defense/offense. If you keep Vjax that’s all good too because he will be motivated to have a beast of a season. He will not make as much money on another team ala Brandon Marshall. His successor will be drafted this year, the Bucs will win a game you expect them to lose, lose a game(s) you expect them to win and be 8-8 or 9-7 at the end of the season.

  181. patrickbucs Says:

    I am very disappointed that we only received a 6th round pick for MW. I thought we could maybe get at least a 4th in return and use that as draft ammunition to trade up from 7 or later in the draft if needed. I will see who replaces him but we still need 2-3 wr’s imo. Louis Murphy had some good games in Oakland but I don’t think he’s as good as MW and I’m a Gator. Guess we will see soon enough. I really wish they could have signed D Jack but they are staying away it seems from anyone with even a semi-checkered past.

  182. biff barker Says:

    Many here are missing the boat on this one.

    Our GM is a Hoodie disciple, the HC a Father Dungy disciple. Ponder their collective football DNA. You cut players like Williams because he’s baggage. No way they want Caveman Gang posse leader near their the locker room.

    Given the fact we got anything with the huge money Williams was getting is pretty surprising. Good thing for MW too, he’d lose big money getting cut.

    Yeah he could play but this isn’t the worst situation for us because we cut him now. (Freeman debacle anyone/)

    We have a new QB and offense so no chemistry issues. Also, a WR is easier to replace, especially if the draft is this deep.

  183. Couch Fan Says:

    Dam right. Lord have mercy on him if it doesn’t.

  184. Buc1987 Says:

    And Miguel called Schiano Lil General.

    What do we call Lovie? The Axe?

  185. lightningbuc Says:

    “I’m going to watch at least 8 games before I start to draw conclusions as to where this team is headed.”


    I agree, UNLESS the Bucs are lucky enough to draft Manziel. Then, I will expect the Bucs to be 8-0 because, after all, this guy is the greatest thing since sliced bread. And I will expect the Bucs to be winning those games by a margin of at least 20 points. I mean, he is real good according to many.

  186. Couch Fan Says:

    I didn’t agree with Trading V-Jax before but I do now. Might as well finish unloading all the good players we have on offense. And start completely over because he’s not going to be able to do anything by himself.

  187. Harry Says:

    I get L&L are tired of the nonsense, but really? To all of you who are praising this move, don’t come in here crying about the Bucs scoring10 to 14 points in games this year. This creates a gaping hole in our WR group. And to the “intelligent” posts of we “freed up cap space” – yeah, and what are you going to do with it for a WR??? For what MW makes, I get the 6th rd pick – for the giant hole we now have a 6th rd pick is disgusting.

  188. Buc1987 Says:

    “Yeah he could play but this isn’t the worst situation for us because we cut him now. (Freeman debacle anyone/) ”

    Biff Barker…you are correct sir. It could have been another Freeman debacle. It was in the back of my mind when all this crap went down awhile back.

    Lovie and Licht traded the leader of the Cave Man Gang for a 6th round pick. LOL priceless man.

  189. Oil Derrick Brooks Says:


    Dude, I will get my Bucs Super Bowl tat THIS summer!!!! Jealousy be damned!!!

  190. Buc1987 Says:

    Dear Lovie,

    Please let me keep my Doug Martin jersey.

  191. Buc1987 Says:

    Couch Fan and Harry are raging mad!

  192. Buc1987 Says:

    This might mean that the party will be at Johnny’s house from now on.
    What are your thoughts Joe?

  193. The_Buc_Realist Says:

    I say we all custom order a jersey the says ” no-name ” and instead of a number we get a question mark!

  194. Couch Fan Says:

    I wonder if Bucs are looking at CJ? He fits the speed in space mantra. And looks like we are going to be running the ball a lot this year.

  195. Buc1987 Says:

    Couch Fan…the gold teeth one?

  196. Couch Fan Says:

    Yes, that is him.

  197. Mike10 Says:

    Lol bogus… If you want to tell me that we are rebuilding and improving the talent, then why are getting such poor draft rds for these guys. We have let some serious talent go for peanuts compared to where we drafted em and what they’re worth now. Comeon L and L, win at least one trade this offseason!…

  198. Buc1987 Says:

    L & L are rolling the dice every day so ya never. Please let Dougie stay on the team Lovie.

  199. Buc1987 Says:

    Mike10..because that’s all they are worth…

  200. WalkdaPlank Says:

    Hahahaha! So now is our best No.2 the mighty Skye Dawson, the glorious Eric Page, or the spectacular Chris Owusu?

    We were in desperate search of a No.3, now we don’t have a No.2. For a 6th rounder even! No doubt they will draft WR in the at least one of the first 3 rounds. But our depth was just demolished because a guy got stabbed?

    I’ll take Mike Evans and/or Jordan Matthews.

  201. WalkdaPlank Says:

    Oh and @Joe, if Mike got axed because he was too much of a partier, how does that bode well for Mancrush? Not too good. Not too good.

  202. Buc1987 Says:

    LOL some of you guys are hilarious.

  203. MadMax Says:

    I figured this would occur…IN LOVIE I TRUST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  204. WalkdaPlank Says:

    VJax has a DUI or two on his record, is he next?

  205. Couch Fan Says:


    Before today i would of said hell no. But now that V-Jax is all we have. I expect him to drop balls and at times look like he is quitting on plays. I can’t say I blame him when there is nothing else around him. So if they were to trade him at this point, I wouldn’t be opposed or sad about it. I dont expect him to have a 1000 yards this year when defenses will be focused on him

  206. Buc1987 Says:

    In other news…. Johnny Manziel just funneled his 4th beer of the day.

  207. WalkdaPlank Says:

    Oh I forgot the hellagood Louis Murphy. lol

  208. WalkdaPlank Says:

    @Couch – It will be like Mike in 2011.

  209. Buc1987 Says:

    Who’s next Lovie?

  210. The_Buc_Realist Says:

    Joe, where is the audio of you and the ” little puppy ” from 2 weeks ago, calling us the “morons” and the Mike (house-party) Williams is the victim. or was that 3 weeks ago???

  211. Cobraboy Says:

    Look on the bright side:

    They are still better off at WR than one team in the division…

  212. Couch Fan Says:



  213. Hawaiian Buc Says:


    I’m with you on the jerseys. I have a Blount, Talib, (Home and away) Freeman, Williams, Revis, and even Winslow jersey. Not to mention a Freeman, Williams, and Blount fathead (Freeman has been thrown away after everything that went down last year). That being said, we really haven’t gotten rid of that much talent, aside from Revis. Williams is a good player, but he is very replaceable. He’s a slightly above average #2, but let’s not get it twisted and put him as elite. It sucks that we have to go out and get a new #2 when we had one already here, but perhaps he should have dedicated himself a little more and he could have become a great #2, and eventual #1. Most of the guys we have brought in are better than the players we got rid of (or didn’t re-sign). Regardless, it’s all going to come down to the QB play. Our defense will be considerably better. I don’t think anyone can argue that. However, if we don’t get good play from under center, it’s not going to matter.

  214. Queen B Says:

    I called it burning my #19 bikini at the house fire!! Mike had agreed to pay 43k to the owner of the house he damaged by a certain date. That date passed, he lied again!! That was the last straw with lovelite!! Mike is the reason he was shipped out, don’t blame anyone else!!

  215. Hawaiian Buc Says:


    Do you honestly, with a straight face, believe that Johnny parties any more than the average NFL player? My goodness, my NAIA basketball teammates partied like rock stars. Hell, several would drink beers the morning of games, and then go out and score 25 & 10. Peyton Manning used to come down to Jackson, MS (I lived there at the time) and party with his friends in college. These guys party so much more than you realize. If you only knew, you would be singing a much different tune.

  216. BoJim Says:

    Damn that Mike Williams for getting stabbed. Damn him I say. Don’t think we’re going to get a productive receiver in the later rounds. Our “standards” are going to keep us in the basement. But,,,I’m sure L&L have a plan. Sure hope it works.

  217. Manzielski Says:

    “And Miguel called Schiano Lil General.”

    What do we call Lovie?

    Miguel says, “The Terminator!”

    I’ll be back!

    (read more)

  218. Thomas Says:

    Dont forget that this is the deepest draft in a while due to the large number of underclassmen that declared. This means you will get 1st round talent in the 3rd round and 4th round talent in the 6th. Guys will go undrafted that would have been drafted in other years.

    6th rd pick? Heck yes! Also rememeber it takes 2 to do the trade. They dont just give us what we want for a guy having problems with the law for various reasons. Basically the talent we will choose from will be 4th rd talent…and I remember a guy that was drafted in the 4th round with character issues…

    The guy Lovey brings in wont have character issues. But he will have 4th rd talent.

  219. Hawaiian Buc Says:


    Let’s not go twisting things too much. Yes he got stabbed, but he was probably already a goner due to all his transgressions before this incident. He didn’t murder anyone, but there were a ton of “minor” incidents, and those minor ones add up after a while. However, remember that he was in a fight before he got stabbed. Also remember that he lied to the police about what happened. While I don’t necessarily blame him for looking out for his brother, you can’t expect the organization (who has millions of dollars tied to him) to be quite so understanding.

  220. lurker Says:

    dang, I am agreeing with couch fan on this.

    this trade and the zuttah are very questionable. I got over revis, but these trades show that licht cannot negotiate well. I wonder if there was someone else who did the contracts for him.

  221. lurker Says:

    “Love it!!!!!! Extra cash as well!!! trade back trade back and trade back again.> this draft is soooooo deep we can get starters way back in this draft.”

    perfect sense. let’s keep trading back until we have 15-20 7th rounders. this draft is so deep we can change 1/3 of our team. gosh.

  222. Orca Says:

    I’m glad I don’t have to hang around the people on this board. I’d be angry and grinding my teeth all day. Jeez, take a breath… Give the regime a chance to show they know what they’re doing (when the games start), and THEN throw yourselves off a skyscraper. I mean, all this b1tching and moaning and arguing over it. Is this really how you enjoy being a fan? Give it a rest. Let the experts make the decisions and then see how it plays out. I think we’ve got a good GM and coach for the first time in a while. You guys are acting like they traded GMC or something. Do a bong hit, take a xanax, go to church, whatever works for you, but take it easy, get some perspective.

  223. BoJim Says:

    lurker Says:

    “perfect sense. let’s keep trading back until we have 15-20 7th rounders. this draft is so deep we can change 1/3 of our team. gosh.”


  224. Eric Says:

    The common theme is that Lovie gets rid of players who are over paid vs. their level of actual production.

    He evaluated Williams and was unimpressed.

  225. Queen B Says:

    People get fired for showing up to work late!! If you are shocked, you are clueless. Kicked in woman’s door, lied to police, burned house, damaged house, 16 speeding tickets in 4 years, being sued for fire damage, will be sued for not paying 43k in damages!! Did I miss anything?

  226. JBFstalkingjohnnyfootBALLS Says:

    Buc1987 Says:
    April 4th, 2014 at 12:31 pm
    Joe cannot see the Bucs letting Revis go.
    Joe sees Freeman as the starter for the Bucs until about week 8.
    Joe cannot see the Bucs letting Mike Williams go.
    Joe knows…

    Buc1987 Says:
    April 4th, 2014 at 12:31 pm
    Penn is the problem. Okay Joe I’ll stop it now.

    So we need to go opposite of what Joe writes. So his hate for Glennon means that Glennon will be the starter in 2014. Wow! I wish he would give out lottery numbers.

  227. Bucfish7 Says:

    Looks like someone owes Pewter Report an apology – they were spot on while others were making excuses for #19. I always liked Mike W, but it was disappointing to hear how his off-season antics were escalating. I’m not happy to see him go, but I am happy to know that Lovie won’t put up with this kinda stuff! Hopefully a change of scenery will straighten Mike out.

  228. Bucfan#37 Says:

    I don’t like getting rid of Williams like others here. I thought he was a talented receiver, but what the hell do I know.

  229. BoJim Says:

    @Hawaiian Buc

    I know man. I guess I’m just frustrated. Here in Texas I get to watch the Bucs 1 or 2 times a year. It would be nice to see them win those games. I used to get my Bucs news from Tampa paper and some ESPN till I found this great place several month’s ago. Great info, smart people. Like I said I’m frustrated and the season hasn’t even started. Guess I’m getting antsy for the draft.

  230. Bubashep Says:

    Buffalo is the Siberia of the NFL…

  231. Buccaneer Bonzai Says:


  232. Buccaneer Bonzai Says:

    Looks like that means WRs in the 2nd and 3rd rounds.

  233. Buccaneer Bonzai Says:

    A 6th rounder. What a rip off.

  234. Evan Says:

    Wow. That caught me off guard. Safe to say the ONLY ones safe on this team really are Gerald McCoy & Lavonte David. Tough, his production will be missed. That means the Mike Evans reality is more and more plausible. This is certainly an interesting off season.

  235. Patrick Says:

    Enough with this “deep draft” nonsense. Remember how “deep” the 2010 NFL Draft was? We only have one player remaining from that “deep” draft.

  236. Patrick Says:

    Sure we can draft Watkins or Evans, but then we’ll just be back to where we were when Williams was still here (just replacing him).

  237. Oil Derrick Brooks Says:

    “Enough with this “deep draft” nonsense. Remember how “deep” the 2010 NFL Draft was? We only have one player remaining from that “deep” draft.”

    Don’t hate the draft, hate the drafter.

  238. Buccaneer Bonzai Says:

    So far, Jason Licht is turning out to be a horrible GM. You mean to tell me he could not get more than a 6th rounder for a starter???

    As I said elsewhere, he better excel at cap management and talent evaluation.

    And I’m doubting the talent evaluation, since he’s brought in scrubs to replace scrubs.

  239. buchead407 Says:

    Wtf……a sixth round pick. Are you kidding me…Williams can play…..a sixth is just a bad trade. Now who do we have. Just Vjax

  240. Hawaiian Buc Says:


    I hear ya! I think we are a better team now than what we were with Schiano, and we haven’t even had the draft yet. Schiano was directly responsible for at least 3 or 4 losses last year due to his conservative game planning, terrible clock management, and lack of in-game adjustments. His defense was decent, but considering the talent on that side of the ball, should have been a lot better. We were clearly weak on the pass rush, but that was a combination of letting the best pass rusher go and teaching dance moves to the line, versus pass rush moves. Offense was dreadful. No way to sugar coat that. However, with better coaching and a few upgrades here and there, we should be considerably better. I don’t but that we are rebuilding and in store for a bad season. Of course I’ve said that every year for the last 5 years or so, so pay attention to the source. I do know, however, that we have a real NFL coach, for the first time since Chucky roamed One Buc Place.

  241. Hawaiian Buc Says:


    Correct me if I’m wrong, but I don’t think the season starts today, does it?

  242. Orca Says:

    Buccaneer Bonzai Says:
    April 4th, 2014 at 2:56 pm

    So far, Jason Licht is turning out to be a horrible GM. You mean to tell me he could not get more than a 6th rounder for a starter???

    Snap judgements much? Why don’t you wait until they get the team out on the field? I think Licht is doing a great job.

  243. Hawaiian Buc Says:

    You guys don’t understand how difficult it is to move a NFL player. Aside from a big time QB or an extraordinary talent, you don’t get high picks for players in the NFL. Especially when everyone knows you are going to release him anyway. How much did Tennessee get for Chris Johnson? How many picks did the Eagles get for Desean Jackson? Both are considerably better than Mike Williams (although obviously CJ has had his best days), yet both were cut. The Ravens traded away Boldin last year for a 6th. Anyone want to say he’s better than #19? Someone has to really want the player, and be happy with the contract that was negotiated by a different GM. Very difficult to do. But seriously, what did you guys seriously think we could get for a slightly above average #2, coming off a major injury, with serious work ethic and character concerns, and coming off a stab wound to his leg? It’s a damn modern day miracle we got anything. Don’t be so unrealistic that you think he has any value, or that anyone outside of Tampa even knows who Mike Williams is. Most think they are getting the guy from USC – fact. So stop your whining and crying, because we got the best we could get for a player that was obviously never going to be a part of this new regime.

  244. Orca Says:

    People like to b1tch and moan. That’s it. Unable to wait and see how it turns out, they just wanna take a big fat sh1t on it, just so they can hear themselves having an opinion.

  245. WalkdaPlank Says:

    Lovie got ousted from his last job because he couldn’t put together a good offense even with Matt Forte and bratty Jay Cutler. So far he has taken a heavy gamble on the Bucs offense.

    He has gotten rid of all of last year’s starters on the O-line save for Demar Dotson and part-time starter Jamon Meredith. He picked up Collins and a center, but as of right now we are short of a reliable guard on either side. I don’t like this gambling on Carl Nicks, hopefully Lovie knows something we don’t. An O-line is the foundation of any offense, and without one you’re screwed.

    He let Underwood walk and has traded Mike Williams while only picking up Louis Murphy. The draft is still to come and the Bucs are certain to draft a wideout or two. But I doubt one of them will be Sammy, he WILL NOT be there @7, as much as some of you keep thinking. The only other guy I see who can come in and fill Mike’s shoes productively is Mike Evans.

    Then there’s QB. He got McCown, who’s not the franchise QB this team is looking for. He will probably start this year and maybe next while the franchise grooms a younger guy. And who that younger guy will be is now a bigger question. Before, Mancrush or one of the other “Big 3” were certainly possible. But now Lovie and Licht have created/not fixed major holes on the O-line, DB-corpe, and now WR. Mancrush will not do well without a decent RG or LG covering him or a decent No.2 or slot receiver to throw to. They will probably get a QB later and use early picks on those other positions.

    Point is, Lovie used FA to build up mainly his defense, with the biggest signings being Michael Johnson, Verner, and that DT. Offense is not his forte, so why would he take such big gambles on it with the draft? Does he honestly think he can just easily replace these guys he has taken the guillotine to, especially Mike Williams, Jeremy Zuttah, and Darrelle Revis?

    I hope he knows what he is doing, GO BUCS!

  246. Oil Derrick Brooks Says:

    Philly could not get anything for DeSean Jackson.

    I’ll wait until after some games are played beofre I judge him. But, I love almost all of Licht’s moves. I think people overvalued what Dominik had on the roster.

  247. Couch Fan Says:


    If I were a GM and I had nothing behind a good young player who only had minor off field issues. I’d rather keep him than give him away for less than what he’s worth. But I’m not the GM and I have no idea whats happening behind the scenes so all I can judge is what we see.

    On face value, I dont see how getting rid of Williams for a 6th round pick benefits us. He has been very productive which is why he got the contract in the 1st place. We’ll see but so far this is the first move that really scares me.

  248. WalkdaPlank Says:

    I do like the Licht is not OVERPAYING for these guys like “rockstar” did. A punter? Really Dom? That’s part of the reason Mike and others were cut. And the Darrelle Revis rehab in Tampa project was a disaster.

  249. Couch Fan Says:

    And it also just popped into my mind that maybe, this was Tedfords call? Isn’t this suppose to be his offense? We’ll see lots and lots of unknowns.

  250. Joe Says:

    Joe cannot see the Bucs letting Mike Williams go.

    They didn’t let him go. As Joe pointed out, Lovie kept his word. He was not cut

    He was traded.

    Joe cannot see the Bucs letting Revis go.

    Until further notice, Joe still thinks this was a dumb move. You don’t just cut Hall of Famers in the prime of their careers. Of course, if the Bucs win a Super Bowl before Revis does, then Joe will be wrong.

    So his hate for Glennon means that Glennon will be the starter in 2014. Wow! I wish he would give out lottery numbers.

    Joe doesn’t hate Glennon. Learn the definition of the word and read Joe’s articles.

  251. Hawaiian Buc Says:


    I don’t know how big of a gamble it is to tear up the league’s worst offense from last year. Before Williams got hurt, he was still dreadful. He was getting no separation, and wasn’t winning those jump balls that he won in the past. The offensive line was beyond awful, so I don’t see any big loss there. We at minimum stayed the same at QB, as we still have Glennon and McCown is better than Orlovsky. We got better at TE with the signing of Myers. He and Wright should do very well under the new TE coach (who by the way has coached some excellent TE’s in his day). Martin is back and hopefully won’t be running too many wheel routes. And although I know nothing about his offense, I’m going to go out on a limb and say Tedford will be a better OC than Sullivan. I just don’t see doing anything aside from getting rid of Jackson or Martin as much of a gamble. They are the only 2 players that could start on virtually every NFL team, while everyone else would struggle to make the roster on many teams. Let it all play out, because Lovie is a real NFL coach, Licht is a real NFL GM, so you can bank on it they have a plan. I can guarantee you that Skye Dawson or Louis Murphy won’t be our #2 in September.

  252. Oil Derrick Brooks Says:

    Mike Williams gets a fresh start with Lovie.

  253. WalkdaPlank Says:

    @Hawaiian – He played on a bad hammy before finally going on IR. How many games did he start? 4 or 5? He had a great 2012. Just a mistake to let him go without giving him a chance to take the field with the new regime IMO.

  254. Buc1987 Says:

    [email protected]

  255. Hawaiian Buc Says:

    @Couch Fan,

    I wouldn’t necessarily say Williams had “minor” issues, especially when you factor in the number of issues. Sometimes a bunch of minor things equals one helluva big thing. Who seriously gets 14 speeding tickets? If you had millions of dollars tied up to a guy, would you feel comfortable with his mental state after finding that out? I wouldn’t. Add that to the issue of him “knocking too hard” (I’m lol’ing as I type that) and probably scaring the hell out of his ex, excessive partying (accompanied by a plethora of 911 calls and $50K in property damage), and being late to meetings and rehab assignments, and you have what they like to call a pattern of bad behavior. Those might be minor to you, but I bet you’d feel differently if you were monetarily invested in him. If you say otherwise, you are lying. You have to see the big picture here, and he doesn’t deserve to be a part of it.

  256. Bucsfanman Says:

    “Do a bong hit, take a xanax, go to church, whatever works for you, but take it easy, get some perspective.”
    @Orca-LMAO! I did all this but go to church BEFORE this happened!!!
    It’s April and there’s a long way to go. Don’t hold your breath, apparently!

  257. Buc1987 Says:

    Before the hammy he played like a WR distracted by a rap career in the first few weeks of this season….just sayin’ what I was seein’.

  258. Oil Derrick Brooks Says:

    Mark Dominik know knees and character. It’s what he do!!!!

  259. The_Buc_Realist Says:

    Some will miss Mike ( house party ) Williams, for a good season 4 years ago, or get quotes like ” If you want that last Eggo Waffle little brother, you are going to have to stab me,” allegedly.

  260. Hawaiian Buc Says:


    Your definition of great varies from mine. In today’s game, failing to reach 1000 yards (while receiving nothing but single coverage due to Vincent Jackson) hardly rates as great.

    As for him having a bad hammy, did he have one on the season opener against New Orleans? You know, the game where he had 9 yards receiving? Where was he against New England, before he racked up 65 yards of garbage yards when the game was already over. You ever seen a great receiver have 9 yards receiving before? Who is this lock down corner that New Orleans have that I don’t know about? But I’m sure that’s all on the QB. You can make all the excuses you want and revise history all you want, but the truth is the truth.

    And what would it take for you to feel he didn’t deserve a chance with the new regime? He didn’t even have the common sense to promptly return a phone call from the organization after being stabbed. Would he have had to have killed someone before he wouldn’t have deserved it? If you had co-workers at your job doing half the stuff he did, would you want him working there? Would you be upset at your bosses for getting rid of him? Of course you wouldn’t, but I’m sure you will try your best to spin it and make Williams into a guy with high character and unparalleled skill of the football field. Only problem is, you’d be wrong.

  261. Buc1987 Says:

    “if the Bucs win a Super Bowl before Revis does, then Joe will be wrong.”

    Any takers?

  262. Hawaiian Buc Says:

    You know it’s the truth when me and 1987 agree. I rest my case with that fact right there.

  263. Buc1987 Says:

    Hawaiian….Nuff said!

  264. Oil Derrick Brooks Says:


    I second that!

  265. Couch Fan Says:


    I understand what you are saying and I understand why they would be worried. The thing is, nobody, NOBODY here knows anything about what has/is happened/happening to Williams and none of it is serious stuff on the surface.

    But what I do know is that his production on the field (except last season) can’t be replaced so easily. I wished they would of at least gave him a chance this year to see if he could change or maybe even waited closer to the draft.

  266. Hawaiian Buc Says:

    @Couch Fan,

    I totally disagree. On the surface, it’s terrible. On the surface, it looks like he went to his ex’s house and kicked in the door. That’s bad. What if that was your daughter? Would you take that lightly? What about getting into a fist fight with your brother, that ended up involving a knife? You can be a victim and wrong at the same time you know? On the surface, missing rehab assignments and being late for team meetings is a big deal. These guys get paid a lot of money, so there is no excuses for that kind of behavior. And on the surface, not even having enough class and decency to return a phone call by the organization is a big issue. I think he had more than enough chances, and there was absolutely no sign (on the surface) of him doing ANYTHING to change. Go ahead and tell me ONE thing he did to change. Did he publicly apologize? Did he do anything besides make sarcastic posts on social media, and state that he would never speak to “that reporter” again? Do you think he’s going to make a classy statement thanking the fans or the organization for taking a chance on him? Wanna bet on that? But yeah, let’s let the cancer hang around and give him more chances, because obviously he’s been given an unfair shake at this whole multi-million dollar, no education needed, rap-career funding, ladies throwing themselves at you, stripper-pole partying football thing. Poor guy! If only he had a chance!!!!!

  267. Oil Derrick Brooks Says:

    Ultimately, he strikes me, at best, as an extremely immature adult. Some guys are SO talented that they can still be immature and stick around a team. His talent wasn’t close to his immaturity.

  268. The_Buc_Realist Says:

    @Hawaiian Buc or Pineapple Buc

    Well said, and that is just what we know from what has been reported. There are other issues as well. The media won’t look into that, as they are too busy reporting on how great Johnny Football is.

  269. Couch Fan Says:

    You sure are reading into a situation where you dont have any facts. If you do have the facts please show me where you are reading these facts at? I am under the impression that all we know as fact right now is that there was $200 worth of damage to a door that could of happened in a variety of ways many of which could be minor.

    The fist fight that involved a knife. Wasn’t his brother the one with the knife? So why is Mike to blame?

    Missing team meeting when your season is already over? Minor. Rehab assignments? Perhaps he has good reason? Do you know exactly why he missed them? Of course you dont.

    Of course I can’t tell you what he has done to change because I dont know the man nor do I see him on a daily basis.

    You seem to be taking these things rather personally on assumptions. Until the facts come out about what he was really doing, I’m not going to pass judgement on his personal life, the same way I don’t pass judgement on Freeman’s personal life. As a football player though, he’s not easily replaced. That’s all I’m saying.

  270. Buccaneer Bonzai Says:

    Hawaiian Buc Says
    “Who seriously gets 14 speeding tickets?”

    Traffic tickets. That could mean they were all parking tickets. If he got 14 speeding tickets he would not be permitted to drive due to too many points. And parking tickets can go a long time without being paid.

    But hey…that doesn’t fit the Watcon agenda, so lets make some things up.

  271. Buccaneer Bonzai Says:

    Watson, I mean.

  272. Buccaneer Bonzai Says:

    Also, Couch, he was injured when he missed the team meeting.

  273. Buccaneer Bonzai Says:

    The_Buc_Realist Says
    “There are other issues as well. The media won’t look into that…”

    …because they are too busy making other stories up? Actually, the media will jump on ANY chance to make a person look bad. That’s how they get attention.

  274. Buccaneer Bonzai Says:

    Hawaiian Buc Says
    “Your definition of great varies from mine. In today’s game, failing to reach 1000 yards (while receiving nothing but single coverage due to Vincent Jackson) hardly rates as great.”

    But wait! I thought Josh Freeman sucked???? Of course…Glennon doesn’t right? shakes head again

  275. Oil Derrick Brooks Says:

    Notice there’s, what, 50 ish guys on the roster. I don’t see them making up stories about anyone else. He’s responsible for his actions.

    I’m sure many of those other guys on the team party, and enjoy life. But, the media decides to ruin one particular guy?

  276. Hawaiian Buc Says:

    Incorrect, he was late to meetings before he was injured. The original report was wrong, as once you are on IR, you don’t go to meetings. Regardless, I’m pretty sure the team knows more than all of us, yet you are judging them??? So you are saying I don’t know the facts, yet making assumptions that he’s done only minor things, even though the people that know what really happened have decided to get rid of him. Makes perfect sense. He’s gone, stop crying.

  277. Ghost Says:

    @ Brandon
    You forgot kelvin (Vaseline Boston market) Winslow

  278. Couch Fan Says:

    Lol I’m not making any assumptions other than he is not easily replaced as a football player. You are the one making assumptions.

    And I’m not judging this move, I’ve said a few times now that it will be a few years before we can judge this move.

    I dont even really care about Mike Williams other than the fact that we now practically weaponless on offense. Sorry I am worried that it appears we are now looking at a 3-13 or 4-12 season all over again. We’ve had enough of losing. I’m sick of losing! I would love to reach the playoffs again in my lifetime rather than a constant state of rebuilding.

  279. Cobraboy Says:

    I like the house cleaning.

    Wanna bet the Glazers encouraged it?

  280. Lewis Says:

    Clearing up the ”Rockstar’s” mess.

  281. The_Buc_Realist Says:

    Is it too late for us to submit the slogan for the year, I nominate ” The party is over, its time to play Football”.

  282. Eric Says:

    We had such a great offense until Lovie ruined it.

  283. MadMax Says:

    Lol. Lovie ruined it? No, the O line and Williams were in need of replacements. We’ll see but holy jit but be so quick to be negative before they’ve picked their draft and stepped on the field.

  284. lurker Says:

    “Sorry I am worried that it appears we are now looking at a 3-13 or 4-12 season all over again.”

    well, I guess we can go qb in next year’s draft then…lol
    dang, and I like ones this year.

  285. Couch Fan Says:

    Lol. 3-13 does put us in good position for Winston if he declares.

  286. lurker Says:

    “We had such a great offense until Lovie ruined it.”


    reminds me of lovie at his news conference after game 1:

    “We’re talking about offense, man. (laughter from the media crowd) We’re talking about offense. We’re talking about offense. We’re not talking about the game. We’re talking about offense. When you come to the arena, and you see me coach, you’ve seen me coach right, you’ve seen me give everything I’ve got, but we’re talking about offense right now.”

    *spoof of allen iverson

  287. coolbreeze Says:

    why are u guys crying over Williams he was too slow and can be replace we nd sped so just sit bk and wait I wouldn’t mind us signing nat burelson he faster then Williams gd smart wr

  288. tmaxcon Says:

    i am surprised no one yet has mentioned the core issue with Williams was his inability to pull. I am talking Johnny Football Quality not quantity, it is possibly that it could be the beard.

  289. Hawaiian Buc Says:


    If we go 3-13 or 4-12, it’s not going to have a damn thing to do with Mike Williams. He’s just not that good, but very few WR’s are. He’s just not that big of an impact player to win or lose games for us. Never has been, never will be. He’s made some great catches and had some great games, but when has he ever just completely taken over a game? The answer is never. Has he ever had a double digit catch game? Not that I can remember. Has he ever had 4 quarters where the other team just had no answer for him? Again that doesn’t mean he’s not any good, and as I’ve said, we are worse off on the field by losing him. However, his production can be replaced, and rather easily. You just can’t expect to replace him in early April. If we win 3 or 4 games, it’s going to be because we have crappy QB play. Teams don’t win only 3 games with a good QB, especially ones with a pretty good defense.

  290. Maze Says:

    If some how Stevie Johnson gets released after the amazing Williams signing. That would definitely be an upgrade to the receiving core then possibly draft Manziel and big things could in store shortly for this beleaguered franchise. Time to move on

  291. sho-nuff Says:

    every time we delete Dom’s mistakes the collective IQ of this community rises….not having Talib, Blount makes the team smarter at best…sorry but those 3 were DUUUUUMMMMBBBBB

  292. Couch Fan Says:


    Like I said its not about Mike Willaims personally. I could care less about him and if we had somebody else to replace him then I’d be fine with this move. But we just put ourselves in a huge hole And that huge hole is what may cost us to go 3-13 or 4-12. There is a slim possibility that a rookie WR will be able to replace his production but I seriously doubt it in the first year. That is my only concern is how we are going to replace that production.

  293. Couch Fan Says:

    And I dont agree that his 2700 yards and 20+ TDs is “easily replaced”. I think your hate for his off field issues is clouding your rational judgement. We’ll see how his replacement does but I bet you anything he doesn’t even come close to 8 or 900 yards and double digit TDs.

  294. Hawaiian Buc Says:


    Statistically speaking, he may not be able to be replaced. However, that’s because I would like to believe we’d finally have a capable #3, instead of the Jackson and Williams show. He had a TON of balls thrown his way, much more than the average #2. I’ve always said he’s a good player, but he’s not someone that can’t be replaced, but if he could have kept his act together, we wouldn’t need to. So in reality I agree with you that losing him hurts, but not as much as you believe. He just isn’t worth his trouble. Very few players are. If DeSean Jackson isn’t, pretty sure Mike Williams isn’t.

  295. Couch Fan Says:

    I hope your right. Going to be awfully hard to stomach another bad season.