Mike Williams “Could Play” Sunday

March 24th, 2014
Mike Williams only needed a few stitches after being knifed Sunday.

Mike Williams only needed a few stitches after being knifed Sunday.

Well, the Williams Camp has spoken. And, no, it’s not Bucs wide receiver Mike Williams. It’s his agent.

Hadley Engelhard, who represents Williams, downplayed the severity of Williams getting knifed by his brother, who by the way remains a fugitive and a warrant has been issued for his arrest. Though, obviously, it is the offseason, Engelhard told Woody Cummings of the Tampa Tribune that if Williams’ brother decided to plunge a blade into Williams’ thigh in the same manner during the season, Williams could still play a football game come Sunday.

@RCummingsTBO: WR Mike Williams stabbing injury required 3 stitches, according to agent Hadley Engelhard. “If he had to play Sun. he could” Engelhard said

Three stitches isn’t much, but if the torch and pitchfork crowd, which has turned on Williams in a way that is downright scary to Joe, gets its way, those three stitches will cost Williams his Tampa Bay career and millions upon millions of dollars.

Joe just wonders how many of the loud crowd screaming for Williams’ scalp are also the same ones who cried bloody murder when helmet-wielding, gun-totin,’ pistol-whipping, granny-hassling Aqib Talib was traded?

If Williams is truly released over this, then Joe hopes no Bucs player happens to get T-boned by a driver blowing a red light. How dare the player be driving through the intersection!

104 Responses to “Mike Williams “Could Play” Sunday”

  1. BucinNC Says:

    What’s the dealio with not getting a single compensatory pick? Could have used it to pick up a wr. Personally I want to keep MW19 but still think we need to add a playmaker to offense

  2. The_Buc_Realist Says:

    The only question that should be asked, is if Mike (house-party) Williams can pass another teams physical.

  3. BucsfanForever Says:

    Does anyone know what Williams was stabbed with? It is the first thing I wondered when I heard he was stabbed. A knife? A broken golf club? A pencil? Maybe they were practicing fencing and he got stabbed that way?

  4. Theodore Says:

    Why did they even call the cops? There’s something to the story they’re not saying.

  5. Thibs5599 Says:

    Instead of cutting Williams the Bucs need to get him help. His saying they are disappointed in him is not enough. They need to reach out to this young man who has a promising career ahead of him and get him to realize he needs to adjust his way of life before he runs himself out of the league.

  6. Drew Says:

    @Joe… you wouldn’t be stirring the pot now, would you?

  7. WalkdaPlank Says:

    I guess I’ll just re-post this to all you Williams haters:

    Again, has Mike been arrested? Caught with marijuana or other drugs? Gotten a DUI? Caught Winslowing in a parking lot? Popped pills? Been fined or suspended by Goodell? Been late to or skipped a team meeting? Killed animals? Shot a man? Shot himself in the leg at a club? Been accused of rape? NO!!

    All he has done was party when he couldn’t play football, scratched a door, and then got stabbed by someone else (how dare he!) and you all wanna run him outta town?

  8. Josh P Says:

    The problem is that Williams keeps ending up in the news for negative things. If Williams didn’t have a past this would be a non issue. Then Williams is giving a BS story that they were horse-playing, Come on Joe. And now is brother is missing. If it was just an accident then why didn’t his brother just stick around and they both could have explained the incident. Just like Talib, negative things keep surfacing around him. Time to trim the fat!!!!

  9. WalkdaPlank Says:

    He was stabbed with a kitchen knife. What a thug right?

  10. BuccaneerBonzai Says:

    Three stitches isn’t much. Heck, Rambo wouldn’t even need gun powder for that.

    I’ve been stabbed before. This is barely anything with only 3 stitches.

  11. Drew Says:

    Walkdaplank… you clearly don’t understand the Quaker and Amish audience you’re addressing on the site.

    Let Ye who is without SIN cast the 1st stone! As expected, I didn’t hear many thuds.

  12. BuccaneerBonzai Says:

    Josh P Says
    “Then Williams is giving a BS story that they were horse-playing”

    You have your facts wrong. It was the witnesses that said that.

  13. WalkdaPlank Says:

    Lol I hear ya.

  14. Cmurda Says:

    3 stitches? I could cause that much damage to myself by…… I won’t go into detail but it could possibly involve Rachel Watson.

  15. CountryBuc Says:

    I really get tired of all these idiot Bucs fans that spat out the mouth with no rational thought. Cut Williams, let one person here come up with one time MW19 did something that comprimized the team or one report of him causing issues in the looker room. Come Sunday he makes plays and right now is an assett to our team. What L and L do is on them and I will respect there decision because the have first hand knowledge and a personal relationship with MW that no one on this blog has. These people are probabley the same ones that where praising his extension, bunch of bandwagon MFers.

  16. Gerry Says:

    I dont about this victim thing, Joe You put yourself in so many bad situations, then you can’t play the Victim card. “Hey bro, see if you can whip that knife at my legs that pay me 40 mil dollars and see if it sticks”. And then become a fugtive from the law,” we will play manhunt for real”.. Yeah that is just the logical equivalent to just driving a car in a intersection Joe…

  17. lightningbuc Says:


    You keep saying Williams didn’t say they were horse-playing. That is wrong. Here is verbatim from one of Joe’s earlier stories today:

    “Last night when Bucs receiver Mike Williams was knifed by his brother (allegedly) in the left thigh and was briefly hospitalized for treatment, Williams told Hillsborough County sheriff’s deputies he and his brother were involved in horseplay.

    The cops believe that is horses(p)it.”

  18. Josh P Says:

    @BuccaneerBonzai you should probably check your facts. Williams is the one who said is was an accident and that they were playing around.


  19. Andrew 1 Says:

    At this point, I’m indifferent to wether he stays or go’s. I would be happy if he stays on the team, but I would also understand it if Lovie cuts him because of a Culmonation of things. Yes Joe it would be because of several reasons, not just this one incident.

  20. Marksalot Says:

    If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, chances are…..

  21. bucsd05 Says:

    No it’s a culmination of issues that screams trouble! Besides he was involved in this fight. It wasn’t a one sided fight. Anyone notice that all of these players with “character issues” were drafted by dom and Rah. just saying!

  22. Nick H Says:

    Just don’t cut the guy, we need him and his skills badly.

  23. William Says:

    Mike should know better than to have knives in the house when the brother is visiting.

    He should get CUT again by the Bucs…


  24. Andrew 1 Says:

    I missed most of the developments but I’m trying to piece this together and I’m confused as ever. So was it an attack or a fight? And if there is no clear answer, then wtf.

  25. Jason1977 Says:

    3 stitches is really 6 stitches!! Agent talk….

  26. ed Says:

    My thought is that MW, like the other Michael (Clayton that is), were not professional enough after they got paid their second contract to focus purely on football to be better players.

    Clearly, before he got hurt last season, MW was running lackadaisical routes, he looked much slower than he did prior to the new contract. His priority once be got his money was to enjoy it, which he has as evidenced by his parties and need for speed with his autos.

    The stabbing is just another example of his immaturity. Unless you have the talent of a Michael Irvin, a Deion Sanders or a Dez Bryant or a Lawrence Taylor, you wont get better by taking off plays and being late for practices.

    Those other players I mentioned had controversy all around them and made plenty of bad decisions but on Sunday’s they were warriors. Mike Williams is a nice player but his production is going down.

    For the money he is due next year I’d rather have a settled down veteran FA like a Nate Burleson or Sidney Rice than Williams. The DBs in the league have seen enough film on him to blanket him. Like Michael Clayton, he cant get open.

  27. StPeteBucsFan Says:

    It’s time to let Williams hit the highway. Perhaps a change of scenery will do him good. Perhaps a team that is not co-dependent and enabling will also be good for Williams.

    If this was a first incident we’d overlook it, a second, perhaps…but we’re losing count with this loose cannon. Remember he got freaking kicked off his team in college.

    He came to us with baggage! He should be given no more margin of error. Time to stop tossing good money after bad. If they can unload him with no cap ramifications, even if it means giving him to another team…let him walk!!!

  28. dee Says:

    Small problems become big problems some of you wouldnt know about that.

  29. unbelievable Says:

    “If this was a first incident we’d overlook it, a second, perhaps…but we’re losing count with this loose cannon.”

    What are these other incidents from this loose cannon? (college I’m guessing?)

  30. BKNYfootballhead Says:

    Scott Reynolds should take Mike Williams to church this Sunday; make him into a “good”, “strong”, “Christian”, “god-fearing”, “man-of-faith”, “Buccaneer Man”.

    Problem solved.

  31. Espo Says:

    I’d hate to see the reaction people would have if he had done the stabbing instead.

  32. Bill Gootee Says:

    Comparing the Williams incident to a car crash is a bit of a stretch wouldn’t you say? What if Williams instigated the fight? What if his brother acted in self defense? What if Williams is just hanging around with a bad crowd? What if this is just the latest incident in a long line of incidents involving the bad crowd? Would you think that Williams refusal to leave behind those that cause him problems is an indicator of potential future trouble?

    I don’t have the answers, so I’ll neither defend or crucify him, but I will say this; if he is making millions of dollars to play a game, he can curb any and all behaviors that might cast cast aspersions upon himself or the organization that is writing his big fat checks.

  33. Buc1987 Says:

    Yah Joe let’s hope that player driving the car does not have a rap sheet of bad driving and car accidents that were his fault(while playing for the Bucs) or else YES I could see him cut from the team too.

  34. StAugBuc Says:

    The people whose livelihoods depend on making these decisions will make them. All the rest is hot air.

  35. kh Says:

    @unbelievable – yes college. There’s a reason a player with this much talent lasted till the fourth round. He allegedly was(/is?) a known gang member with the GYC (Goodyear Crips) while living in Buffalo.

  36. Buc1987 Says:

    I say his production dropped off with or without the hammy problem. I say it WAS and is the partying that is the blame for it. I also say EVERYONE else will figure that out in 2014.

  37. StAugBuc Says:

    Cardinals’ Daryl Washington pleads guilty to assaulting ex-girlfriend
    According to the “cut MW19 crowd” he’ll soon be a free agent.

  38. Buc1987 Says:

    StAugBuc…it depends…does he have any past incidents like Mike?

  39. StAugBuc Says:

    Buc1987 Says:
    March 24th, 2014 at 7:28 pm

    StAugBuc…it depends…does he have any past incidents like Mike?
    Well, he did throw a mattress outside before he roughed her up.

  40. Hawaiian Buc Says:

    I for one do not want Mike Williams to be cut. He’s a good player on a team that could definitely use good players. We aren’t going to be confused with the Broncos or the Seahawks when it comes to talent, so I don’t want to see one of our talented players gone. He is undoubtably the victim in this situation, no matter what really happened. Bottom line, he got stabbed, not the other way around. However, assuming the “roughhousing” thing is the truth, it’s an incredibly stupid and irresponsible thing to do. Had this been his first or second incident, it would be a different story. However, this is a pattern that has been developing. Granted, most of the other issues have been relatively small, but now with a stabbing it’s become a big deal. This regime has no ties to him, and they can cut him with little to no cap hit. It’s just alarming how stupid Williams could be to be roughhousing (again, “allegedly”) under his situation. He’s been put on warning by this regime already, so he’s got to be intelligent enough to know better. Like it or not, as a highly paid athlete in the public eye, you have a higher standard to live up to versus the average Joe. It’s part of the territory that comes with making good money. It may not be fair, but it truly is what it is.

    At this point, I would be absolutely shocked if he even makes it to mini camp, much less training camp. This regime clearly doesn’t want to deal with stupidity, and he’s just not good enough to make it worth it for them to deal with it coming from him. To top it all off, he doesn’t even return their phone call?!?! How freaking stupid can you be??? I know people are going to say he hasn’t done anything major and he’s the victim, and that is absolutely true. However, a bunch of little things do add up, and when a team can’t trust you, you are going to be gone. You can argue and cry all day saying that’s wrong or it’s a huge mistake, blah blah blah. Doesn’t matter, he’s not going to make it on this team. Make no mistake though, we are worse off as a team as a result. This is a huge loss, and it really sucks monkey balls.

  41. Architek Says:

    This story is getting lame – who cares what happens to this clown.

  42. Mr. Patrick Says:

    The thing that sticks with me is 19 not showing up for his rehab assignments last year on his hammy and accumulating all of those fines. Doesn’t sound like he was too interested in football. Lack of dedication or bad priorities?

  43. Daffy Buc Says:

    Its not just on the field, its off the field. Coach Smith wants players the community can be proud of. Players who respect the community. Mike and a lot people who comment just don’t get it. If you are an owner of a business and an employee is constantly getting in trouble, you talk to that person. If nothing changes, you have to let that employee go. Smith and Licht could care less about his football skills right now.

  44. mark2001 Says:

    Joe…I was with you until the last paragraph. If you had a history of poor driving, that might have some similarity. But having a disaster come out of left field isn’t the same as this. If his brother was “on the lamb” couldn’t Michael have had one of his posse slip him a few thousand outside the gate and told him he was currently on the hot seat himself, without bringing him into his gated community home? I mean, what did Michael THINK was going to happen…he stopped by to say goodbye and give him a kiss? Obviously they couldn’t have been that close if he cut him.

  45. bucsd05 Says:

    Ok just because you LOSE the fight does not make you a VICTIM!

  46. rdbucfan Says:

    From a Roy Cummings article February 10, 2014

    Tampa Bay Buccaneers wide receiver Mike Williams’ upcoming court date stems in part from an incident in which Williams caused approximately $200 worth of damage to a front door, Hillsborough County court records show.

    Williams is scheduled to be arraigned Feb. 24 on charges of misdemeanor criminal mischief and trespassing, according to court documents.

    The incident in question occurred on Dec. 13, when Williams “without being authorized, licensed or invited, willfully enter(ed) or remain(ed) in the property of Gabrielle Edwards,’’ according to the charging document.

    Williams “did willfully or maliciously injure or damage real or personal property belonging to Edwards, resulting in damage of $200 or less,’’ the document states.

    I know he only caused approximately $200 damage. That is not the point he busted into this woman’s house and tresspassed. Notice the word arraigned, that is not civil but criminal. I know he was only charged with a misdemeanor.

    There seems to be an escalation to his actions. Yes the man may have been a victim in this case. Are you willing to wait until his next incident to find a replacement?

    There may not be another incident in his playing career. What happens if he has another incident right after the season opener and is incarcerated or cut? The bucs need to address this now.

  47. Buc1987 Says:

    Hawaiian Buc…oh so you finally came around to this conclusion. I’m in your camp also (shocker)I don’t like it, I don’t want him to be let go either. I just think he will be let go and your right it does suck monkey balls. However with the draft being VERY deep at WR I think he might be able to be replaced.

  48. BBFFC Says:

    The cut MW crowd are getting ridiculous! Cutting him involves a cap hit, not worth it. Low salary anyway. Trading him involves the same cap hit/dead money as cutting him, typically at least.

    Maybe he called the cops on his brother to get this minor incident on the record, so he can get a future restraining order? Ever think of that? That would be doing the mature thing, correct? Why wait to find out, cut the thug!!! LOL.

    As far as on the field goes, he’s good! Not great, but he may still get better. Burleson and Sidney Rice??!!!! That’s a joke, I hope.

  49. Hawaiian Buc Says:


    Yeah, once I heard the word “roughhousing”, that pretty much told me there was a supreme level of stupidity involved, and he clearly can’t be trusted.

  50. Hawaiian Buc Says:


    No, cutting him involves very little cap hit. That has been confirmed by several sources today. The cap hit would be a maximum of $1.8M, and nothing next year.

  51. Hawaiian Buc Says:

    “Maybe he called the cops on his brother to get this minor incident on the record, so he can get a future restraining order? Ever think of that? ”


    That’s about as absurd a theory as I’ve ever heard. So now a felony is a minor incident? LMAO! And you really think restraining orders mean anything to anybody? Oh my, some people can be so naive.

  52. BBFFC Says:

    How is that absurd? It’s more logical than he lost a gang style knife fought with his own brother in his own kitchen! Even if false, it’s the story his agent should be selling! I’d sure want a restraining order on anyone who stabs me. Plus good PR. Spin it MW19!!!

  53. Buc1987 Says:

    Daffy Buc Says:
    “Its not just on the field, its off the field. Coach Smith wants players the community can be proud of. Players who respect the community. Mike and a lot people who comment just don’t get it.”

    That’s a great point man. I’ll follow up with this.

    “Williams neighbor John Hagensicker, who says he “despises” Williams, claiming that the parties were horrible, shocking, and that he was the “absolute worst neighbor anyone can imagine.”

  54. Kalind Says:

    Little harsh Hawaiian Buc. I think the more reasonable response is that Mike Williams probably isn’t that clever.

    As to the pitchforks. (An to quote Stephen A Smith) Just stop it. You are all so disrespectful. Mike Williams is a really good player, and is he a twenty something bonehead? Maybe. But who are you replacing him with? The Sammy Watkins pipe dream? Get real. We need him, and this incident (and really the last one) are so low on the seismograph that try hardly warrant attention. For comparisons sake, the scale goes from Failure to Yield to Pacman crippling a human being. I think this Mike Williams incident is closer to the former.

  55. Barry Says:

    Usually you live in gated communities to keep the Williams of the world out. Williams, bringing the Projects to a gated community near you.

  56. BBFFC Says:

    Also, just because his brother is facing a felony charge, doesn’t mean it’s not a minor incident as far as the big picture on his career goes.

    I heard the cap hit was not significant after 2014 season, not right now. Who knows, I’ve seen a few different interpretations and every contract is different. Either way, I doubt anyone trades for him!Lol

  57. Hawaiian Buc Says:

    Ask yourself this: If you were the employer of Mike Williams, would you trust him with millions and millions of your money? Would you be willing to put your season, your job, and your public image on the line for this guy? Is he THAT good? Hell no he isn’t, and hell no you wouldn’t. That’s ultimately the bottom line, not whether or not he is the victim in this circumstance. That is what the team has to determine, and we all know what determination they are going to come up with. It’s not about being a part of any crowd, it’s about accepting reality. I’m pretty sure every single Buc fan wants him to get his sh!t together and be the player he is capable of being, but how many of us truly believe he will? How many would be willing to put money on the line that this is the last incident? I’ll take that bet with anyone, for any amount. We’ve seen this time and time again, and he has said or done absolutely nothing to make you believe he is willing to change. Again, I don’t want him to be cut, but it’s going to happen. Hell, I have his jersey and his fathead on the wall in my office! I had a Freeeman, Blount, and Williams fathead – think it’s time I just go with the logo at this point. He is toast in Tampa, and there’s a very good chance he’s caught his last pass in the NFL. Sad, but true.

  58. Mr. Patrick Says:

    Lovie and Licht want Players, not Playas

  59. Buc1987 Says:

    “Mike Williams is a really good player”

    Kalind…really good….really good player? Really good? He’s certainly not in the top 10 #2 WR’s in the NFL maybe not even in the top 15. Top 20?

  60. Barry Says:

    Come on Thurston Howell III, you and Lovie talk character so let’s see you do what you should do. Fool me once ……..

  61. Hawaiian Buc Says:


    First of all, you can get a restraining order on anyone, you don’t have to wait for them to stab you. So, yes that is ridiculous. And I’m pretty sure the Caveman Gang would take a hit to their image if there lead rapper got a restraining order on his brother. That’s a pretty big hit to their street cred, wouldn’t you say?

    I never said he lost a knife fight with his brother? I haven’t seen ANYONE say that. See, that’s the big difference between grasping and telling facts. You are trying to put words in people’s mouth, all the while make up nearly impossible scenarios that nobody in their right mind believes. Williams himself said he was roughhousing. If he’s telling the truth, that’s stupid beyond words. Nobody can defend that. If he’s lying, then HELLO, he’s lying to the police!!!!!! Also, not very good.

  62. Hawaiian Buc Says:

    “I heard the cap hit was not significant after 2014 season, not right now. Who knows, I’ve seen a few different interpretations and every contract is different. ”


    Then you have heard wrong. It has been reported and confirmed by every major media outlet possible. It is a max of $1.8 Million this year (maybe as low as 1.2), and nothing next year. There is no “interpretation”, that’s what it is.

  63. BBFFC Says:

    Business talk time? We gave him big money up front, very low salary next year. Risk vs reward. His production will far out weigh his pay next year. After that, you can cut him , after seeing if he can grow up. In the mean time, I doubt he goes OJ Simpson on any local gated community citizens.

    Don’t pay too much attention to Lovie’s coach-speak interviews about character ect. That’s dumb! Every situation is different, and I have faith they’ll do what teams all over the league do, the professional thing, and keep him. Why cut your nose off to spite your face? Only 10% of Tampa residents even know this is happening! 20% maybe can even name mike williams!

  64. Buc1987 Says:

    Hawaiian Buc …in that case he is for certain going to be gone.

    Another thing that is certain after reading all my posts is. I need a life.

  65. Hawaiian Buc Says:


    Yeah, you keep holding on to that hope that he’ll be back. I’ll personally mail you my jersey and fathead if he’s back. He’s a goner, trust me. No way, no how does he wear these new uniforms. But I admire the hope, because we definitely will be worse off on the field. No way we get better by losing #19.

  66. Buc1987 Says:

    BBFFC says :
    “Only 10% of Tampa residents even know this is happening! 20% maybe can even name mike williams!”

    Wrong again buddy. It’s been all over the regular news all day long. Made the front page of the Tampa Times. My wife said earlier that she is tired of turning on the TV and hearing about it all day. So I think that 10% is quite far off.

  67. BBFFC Says:


    You make a lot of good points and I always enjoy your posts. I wasn’t trying to put words in your mouth, just throwing out the 2 extreme possible scenarios out there. We’re all still just speculating. The $1.2mil number is his salary next year I thought. What about the big bonus, it would have to accelerate upon a cut or trade, unless DOM was a genius after all.

  68. Hawaiian Buc Says:

    NFL teams do not keep knucklehead players because they are cheap and will outplay their pay. They keep them if they take too big of a salary cap hit and can’t afford to get rid of them. A cheap player like Williams has no leverage, and it’s an easy decision for the team. They are going to get killed from a PR perspective for keeping him, and they know it. He was already on thin ice to begin with, this is the last straw.

  69. Hawaiian Buc Says:


    It’s all good brother. That’s what makes this site so much fun. I wouldn’t come here if people didn’t like to debate. He only has a 600,000 bonus due this year, which would take the hit from 1.2 to 1.8. There is some debate, however, if the bonus would count towards the cap hit. The $6.4M number we had previously heard is false. Say what you want about Dominik, but he was pretty damn good at protecting the team long term with his contracts. He pretty much saved us on this one.

  70. Hawaiian Buc Says:

    “Another thing that is certain after reading all my posts is. I need a life.”


    Welcome to the club!

  71. Buc1987 Says:

    BBFFC says :

    “You make a lot of good points and I always enjoy your posts.”

    Really dude, he usually pisses me the ef off. lol

  72. rawr Says:

    V.Jax bought 400 lightning tickets and donated to the veterans

    and we are still talking about that trash/scumbag of Williams?

    We dont want him in our community period.

    Its past the point of sport it is about being a good citizen.

    MW19 get the F… Out of Tampa Bay.I prefer playing with a non drafted WR and
    loosing then having MW19 and winning.

  73. Buc1987 Says:

    rawr..ooooh harsh stuff!

  74. kh Says:

    Don’t understand how anyone can think this is no big deal. This whole story is stupidity personified.

  75. Buc the Haters Says:

    As long as Williams is going to focus on football and is gonna be training hard & working hard to be the best football player he can be, then I want to keep him around bcuz he can be an asset for us. – But if he’s not gonna absolutely work his arse off to the best he can be, then we might as well dump him. Remember the season before Vjack got here? He didn’t necessarily work his hardest to be in top shape and he want even quick enough to get any separation

  76. Buc the Haters Says:

    Typo *wasn’t quick enough… I think the main concern is what are his priorities going to be. Training hard, eating right, getting adequate sleep or partying, rapping, & bangin girls?

  77. Mr. Patrick Says:

    @1987 & Hawaiian

  78. Mr. Patrick Says:

    @ 1987 & Hawaiian
    If we all on here always agreed about everything this site would be boring as Hell

  79. Hawaiian Buc Says:

    ““You make a lot of good points and I always enjoy your posts.”

    Really dude, he usually pisses me the ef off. lol


    Yes!!!! Mission accomplished, lol.

  80. BucsQcCity Says:

    People tend to forget that this story will define the acceptable line of behaviour under the LiLo regime.. Right now every Bucs under contract is waiting to see how Lovie will act. MW will have a chance to get heared (if he finally answer the phone) but he already had its warning from LiLo. Only way I can see MW on the team is a public commitment to behave correctly, a free players vote (like Cooper in PHI) and a major contract restructuration to protect the Bucs against this type of embarassment.

  81. rawr Says:

    @ buc the haters

    he can do all of those and keep it quite like all of the other players do.why does the world have to know,and he still can be good football player but he is not responsable of his actions.

  82. Maze Says:

    First Mike Williams quits on his team in College. Then he watches the former 1st round QB quit on his team and lie his ass off to get released to go wonder into the abyss. Sure hope he is not continuing to carry on the tradition. Come on Mike, get your shi# together man. The Bucs have enough holes to continue to fill from the last abysmal management team.

  83. tmaxcon Says:

    man i’ll say one thing every degree on the moral compass is represented here. I picked a great week being laid up with mcl surgery. I thought I’d be bored but no way, I get read all these fascinating and diverse comments.

    Personally I went from defending Mike Williams to Macabee to apologizing to him for sticking up for a dumbARSE who can’t stay out of the news. all within about 18 hours. thank you for accepting my apology Macabee

    I also learned the state of florida has no right to press charges against felons that only a victim can (wrong).

    I learned it’s ok to lie to police if you are protecting your brother or family.

    I learned that one of the Joe’s has a very different definition of the word Victim. Cheers though you provide me entertainment free of charge so all good.

    I learned the salary cap can be interpreted at least 14 different ways from the same contract.

    I learned that an employer aka NFL / Team has no right to set standards for employee behavior and only arrests count against the conduct policy and nothing else.

    I learned that there is a nice mix of smart people, dumbARSES, keyboard tough guys and wannabe GM’s for the entertainment value to be high on this site for a long time to come.

    I learned that every bucs player is worth at least 2 rounds higher than their actual value. Similarly, that it is very easy to trade down and that VJAX should be traded and mike williams paired with desean jackson and the bucs would be fine.

    Now I am sure I missed a lot of lessons during the last 24 hours but the most valuable lesson learned is that the stadium will not be sold out at all this year because Zuttah was traded and that name recognition is more important than good players or wins.

    Thank you all so very much. Very entertaining and informative couple of days. I am ready to take over my own team or at least Jerry Jones role.

  84. Hawaiian Buc Says:


    Ha ha, awesome post! Think you pretty much nailed it.

  85. Buc1987 Says:

    tmaxcon…and it’s only just begun.

  86. Macabee Says:

    Apologies aren’t necessary tmaxcon. It’s admirable to stand up for some one who may deserve another chance.

    I hold no animus for Mike Williams. tmax is referring to a post where I said that Williams may have become a nuisance and should be traded. But I was quick to point out that my reasons were performance as a #2 WR, not his personal situation.

    I believed then as I do now that Mike is a good possession WR that has difficulty getting separation and doesn’t have the speed to stretch the field. WR is the deepest position in this draft and there are alternatives.

    As far as his personal situation is concerned, people change and sometimes a change of scenery can facilitate that change. Someone above, I think Mawr, mention Vincent Jackson as an example of the model NFL citizen and he is that.

    But Vincent had a difficult road to get to where he is, in some ways more egregious than the path Mike has traveled. I’m not going to post a link because I think most of you know Jackson’s history in SD. He’s now a Buccaneer and I can’t think of anyone that represents the NFL any better.

    Remember, people can change and Mike has talent and has not always been a perceived problem. Perhaps given the chance, he could become a V-Jax in time!

  87. Mr. Patrick Says:

    And you thought you were going to be bored. Should have been on here during the Freeman saga, lol. Good luck with the MCL

  88. tmaxcon Says:

    thanks mr. patrick. i cuaght some of the jfro madness but was just a shy lad and did not post much.

  89. Hawaiian Buc Says:

    We’ve had a lot to debate about over the last few years, that’s for sure. Raheem, Talib, the Mike Williams DUI (rookie year), Freeman, and of course Schiano just to name a few. Unfortunately, most of it has been very bad. I can’t speak for everyone, but all this losing and side shows are making me grouchy and less patient. I look forward to the day when we can discuss the arse whooping we just put on the Aints.

  90. tmaxcon Says:

    well said Hawaiian… I’d like to see back to back 4 sack games. they have to walk before they run a string of shutouts. not to be all cliche but all the BS overshadows some real good dudes that are on the team. A buddy of mine has a job with bucs and he has a lot of good things to say about the majority of them. i look forward to the days of when we had to defend winning ugly

  91. Eric Says:

    I just can’t fathom how these guys can’t just keep a low profile and make their millions, especially when their marketability in any other profession is zero.

    How stupid do you have to be?

    Why did they call the cops. Just go to the ER and state you accidentally cut yourself. Easy. Don’t mention the brother at all.

    Look at Freeman, can’t even get a try out. Shows up late to meetings after getting jettisoned from here for that reason. No effort put forth to impress his new team.

    It’s just flabbergasting. No appreciation for what the real world holds.

  92. tmaxcon Says:

    some players need a reminder that it’s a privilege to play in the nfl not a right.

  93. kh Says:

    great post tmaxcon

    I would add that we learned that Joe will get concerned about Mike Williams’ behavior when a felony is committed.

    Lovie and Licht recently went after his behavior in separate press conferences/interviews but who cares?!?

  94. Buc1987 Says:

    I 2nd that Hawaiian…well said.

    Eric…well said as well.

  95. Hawaiian Buc Says:


    Yeah, I’ve been able to meet a bunch of the players, and they are really good guys. Martin, Jackson, and McCoy are about as good as you can get. Contrary to what people think, Revis is a very nice guy. I’ve actually met Mike Williams 3 times now. The first two times he was really cool. Took time to talk with me and take pictures with my daughter. Smiled a lot, and was very engaging. I met him again last year during the season. Completely the opposite. Had his boys with him, dressed different, and certainly acted differently. Gave absolutely no time to my daughter, even though she clearly was very excited to see him (she’s 9 and a HUGE Buc fan). Obviously I don’t really know him and you definitely shouldn’t judge someone by how they dress, but my point is that he definitely had a much different appearance than in years past. Maybe that’s pure coincidence, but it sure does seem to coincide with all his problems.

  96. rdbucfan Says:

    It was horseplay, they didn’t have pocket knives to play mumblety peg so they used kitchen knives. His brother just has bad aim and didn’t understand that he was to throw the knife as close to his own foot as possible not Mike’s.

  97. tmaxcon Says:


    timing sounds right with the change in him. it’s a shame. maybe this will be a wake up call. Father Dungy could step in and make him the next Vick experiment with deacon smith to oversea the daily grind. sucks he was uncool to a 9 year old kid no excuses for that for anyone any time star or just regular dude.

    i am working on a steak knife olympics tshirt it’s just not for horseplay..

  98. delson Says:

    N yall wanna draft manziel.

  99. Hawaiian Buc Says:


    What does Manziel have to do with anything? How many times has he been involved in a stabbing (again, not saying Williams is wrong, just trying to understand the comparison to Manziel)? Has Manziel ever been accused of not working hard, missing meetings, or destroying a rental property? What exactly has Manziel done that 99% of the NFL (and the rest of society) have done or will do during that time of their life (not to mention that he can actually chase tail and get tail with a much higher success rate than any of us). That’s such a stupid comparison that you really should be embarrassed for hitting submit comment. Think before you click buddy!

  100. tmaxcon Says:

    wonder if nate burelson has anything left. maybe a good mentor for watkins. surprised not more talk earl bennett either. none of the spectacular but veteran and limited baggage I believe

  101. owlykat Says:

    Note that Lovie has not jumped to conclusions without waiting for the true facts to come out. When he has all the answers, then he will decide what the right response will be. That is a sign of a veteran NFL Coach who knows what he is doing. He will either get Williams straightened out or will get rid of him, that you can count on, and he will find a way to replace Williams if he has to.

  102. Tank4Jameis Says:

    After the Bucs cut/trade him to NE for a 2018 conditional 7th round draft pick and a used puck bag, I’m thinking he’ll put up 1200 yds and 11 tds.

    What do you all think his numbers will be with the Patriots next year?

  103. BoJim Says:

    The anti-Williams crowd has spoken. He shall be cut but the azz kissing will continue.

  104. Kalind Says:

    You make some good points, but you’re making conclusions based off presumptions of team motives. That’s not good enough. Williams IS a good player. He really is. He really is. Really. Really! (Jeeze 1986Buc or whatever) and I think the better motivator for the Glazers/Lovie/Licht, is that Williams is not currently replaceable. While they cut Zuttah without a clear alternative, I can’t imagine they do both. Williams is the only depth we have at the position. We don’t have a better option. The draft has some options, but they have state their intention to FILL holes not make more before the draft. Releasing Williams would force their hand. Something they have actively attempted to avoid.

    Also, this incident has been blown up by Hawaiian and some others to be vastly more than it seems currently. Coupled with knowing SO LITTLE about the situation, you are all making predictions and declarations based off his cap hit. This is just silly. He’s playing for us right now. He’s playin for us in the future period.