Genesis Of Schiano-Freeman Football Rift

September 16th, 2013

greg schiano and josh freeman

Call Joe a sap if you will — he’s been called a lot worse — Joe really believes Bucs commander Greg Schiano and Bucs franchise quarterback Josh Freeman get along. Joe really does.

Listen to Freeman or listen to Schiano talk about their relationship and you hear the passion, see the body language, when they try to explain there is not a rift between the two.

But there is a rift, soft of. A professional rift. And Peter King has connected the dots of why there is growing frustration. It has nothing to do with personalities. It has every thing to do with production (or lack thereof).

Olive oil-lappingpopcorn-munchingcoffee-slurpingfried-chicken-eatingoatmeal-lovingcircle-jerkingbeer-chuggingcricket-watchingscone-loathingcollege football-naïve, baseball box score-reading King of and explains that Schiano is irked — and rightfully so — with Freeman’s ugly win-loss streak.

I think—no, I know—that Josh Freeman was not one of the top two vote-getters to be named a Bucs offensive captain. When the Bucs elected their captains, the vote came right after Freeman’s oversleeping and missing the team photo, and he probably wouldn’t have won it anyway because of the team-wide respect for winners Davin Joseph and Vincent Jackson. But stories circulated that coach Greg Schiano cooked the vote to make sure Freeman—allegedly not one of Schiano’s favorites—wouldn’t be one of the two captains. A trusted source says that absolutely didn’t happen. So put that story to bed. Not that it matters much; Freeman’s not going to be the Tampa Bay quarterback much longer if he continues to lose (the Bucs are 1-7 in his last eight starts, and in their last eight games) and complete 54 percent of his throws (his completion percentage since the start of the 2012 season). People, I believe, are getting this wrong, about Schiano having it in for Freeman. He doesn’t. Schiano’s a performance guy. When you lose seven of eight and oversleep for the team photo after a so-so offseason, Schiano’s not going to be a fan. Has nothing to do with a personality conflict. It’s a performance conflict.

Can you imagine? 1-7 in his last eight games? This is on top of Freeman now being a miserable 6-16 against teams with a winning record, a disturbing 4-12 in his last 16 road games, and a gut-wrenching 5-12 in the month of December for his career, and Tom Brady and Bill Belicheat staring you in the face.

Can you blame Schiano? If Freeman continues to slide, and as the Freemanites demand, he keeps Freeman in the starting lineup, Schiano could believe he’s going down with Freeman’s ship. At some point, you have to start worrying more about your job security and the security of your College of Coaches as opposed to the fragile demeanor of your underperforming franchise quarterback.

Is Joe calling for Mike Glennon? Hell, no! Joe is still adamant that the Bucs’ best shot at the postseason is Freeman, and yes, the Bucs are not quite out of the playoff race (yet).

82 Responses to “Genesis Of Schiano-Freeman Football Rift”

  1. Raphael Says:

    Is Schiano gonna fire himself for the last 2 losses ?

  2. Tampabaybucfan Says:

    I have been a “Freeman Hopeful” until today….he just doesn’t get it done….too hot & cold. My biggest problem with Freeman is his inability to adjust. He stares down his recievers and seems intent on one designed play and if that isn’t there, he throws it anyway.
    It doen’t help him that we haven’t got a viable third reciever or a recieving TE and that’s on the GM & Coaches.
    I think he is lost Schiano’s trust and I agree entirely that Schiano is results oriented….but he also wants Buccaneer men and for your QB to “oversleep” a team photo is inexcusable.
    Its time for Freeman to go….and that is a very new opinion for me.

  3. Biff Barker Says:

    King is spot on here Joe. This is our current reality.

  4. Splengo Says:

    Who knows what to believe about those two. Playing OJay’s BackStabbers in the background as I post this. It’s going from bad to worse now, the NFL is considering suspending Goldson. The late Jack Tatum will roll over if that happens.

  5. bucrightoff Says:

    Sam Bradford, 4th year as a starter, is showing the world what real progression in a QB looks like. Oh, did he get a new coach last year? And thus a new offesnive co-ordinator too? Isn’t that why Freeman hasn’t put it together?

    Bradford who has worse weapons than Josh Freeman and a worse offensive line? But he’s looking better and better while, Josh is looking worse and worse.

  6. lightningbuc Says:

    The JFro Jock Sniffers Mob is thinning the ranks today! Raphael, you need to stop the bleeding, stat!

    Sign Derek Dimke!

  7. bucrightoff Says:

    Of course its a performance conflict. How can anyone be happy about a 5 game run of 4 touchdowns and 15 turnovers. We all mock Mark Sanchez but how is that line any better than Mark Sanchez?

  8. Warrenfb12 Says:

    I’d take Orlovsky starting over Freeman.

  9. lightningbuc Says:


    Is there some rules you want us to follow with our posts and your filters? Could you enlighten us possibly because it is a bit frustrating when some posts don’t get posted.

  10. Patrick Says:

    Honestly, I think we have a good chance at beating the Patriots. They looked pretty shabby last Thursday against the Jets.

  11. Eric Says:

    How about that 24-42 record of Mark Dominik?

    Isnt the fifth year of a rebuild supposed to produce something like a Division Title or Wild Card appearance? Instead were sitting on 1-7 in our last 8???????????????

    How long does the free pass last?

    Didnt he pick Freeman to begin with, with the idea of building a “lasting contender” playoff team around him? Yea thats really working out.

  12. Ricardo Esteban Says:

    someone needs to tell free we have more than one WR. he’s gonna get vjax killed while losing us games!

  13. RCS Says:

    A coach that is worried about performance and wins and not being a friend? Wow he has to go !

  14. BirdDoggers Says:

    Freeman may not be playing well, but there’s more to the losses than just him. Take away the bonehead penalties and the team might be sitting at 2-0, even with Freeman’s turnovers. On the bright side, the defense is looking good.

  15. Adam L. Says:

    I don’t know how the Freeman apologists can DEFEND 1-7 in the last 8 games, 6-16 against teams with a winning record, 4-12 in his last 16 road games, and 5-12 in December.

    And if you ARE a Freeman apologist, someone tell me, realistically, how long we’re supposed to wait for his ARRIVAL? It’s been 5 years and this looks like the worst of the bunch.

    I honestly think that the player on the Bucs just don’t like him. Seriously. I don’t think they LIKE Freeman. I think you put in Glennon and give him a shot with all these fancy toys. I also think you’ll see a more focused offense because I think they’ll rally behind Glennon.

  16. JTHV Says:

    Does the Glazer boys still have Lovie Smith’s phone number?

  17. McBuc Says:

    AdamL…Last night was the end of supporting Freeman for me. I also agree about the other players, I think they have turned the page. Teheoffense seems to be in mutiny form in regards to their QB. Glennon may not be the answer, but how can he do any worse. Move him to the first team today, and get him ready for Sunday. Or go find a vet game manager and get him rolling right away. I am done trying to defense Josh Freeman. It is time he walks the plank!

  18. Eric Says:

    “honestly, I think we have a good chance of beating the Patriots”

    Oh my……….

  19. thegregwitul Says:

    Give Freeman until after the Cardinals game and if the team keeps losing make the switch during the bye week. Freeman has talent but he needs a fresh start; he may have been let down by drops and a ticky-tack penalty that wiped out the long VJ TD pass, but this is a league where you are seeing young QBs come in and perform rather consistently on a near week to week basis and Josh is looking lost in games. It’s scary, but I’m not exaggerating when I tell you that I’m seeing EJ Manuel look more confident and poised over the last two weeks than Freeman has been since his hot streak earlier last season. Yeah, it’s only been two weeks in Manuel’s young career, but the Bucs would be 2-0 if you flipped Freeman for EJ, and the numbers aren’t even setting the world on fire.

    This Bucs team doesn’t need a top-five QB to succeed, it just needs a QB who can limit the mental errors, appear poised and in command in the pocket and essentially manage the game. Be patient and go through your progressions. I know the Bucs could use a more consistent number three wideout and a much better TE, but their top two receivers are a couple of the very best in the NFL and the RB is elite. If the team could have a 60% completion rate with a TD or two, coupled with this tough defense, the Bucs would be a ten win team.

    I’m not one of these fans who are part of the Glennon Mob or whatever it’s being called, but it looks like Freeman is on his way out. Maybe he’ll bounce back with Minnesota, Cleveland or Jacksonville, maybe he’ll become a Jason Campbell type player, I don’t really know, but if this team is 1-3 or 0-4 going into the bye week, it’ll be time to make the change to see what the Bucs have in Mike Glennon. I’m not expecting Glennon to set the world on fire if/when he plays and if the move is made to the rookie, I hope the Bucs have plans to be aggressive to ensure they are in a position to draft one of the top two QB prospects in the coming draft, assuming they don’t finish with a poor enough record to land them a top-three draft pick, because I have my doubts that Glennon is anything more than a solid backup QB. He might not have the raw talent, but maybe he can manage a football game better than Freeman at the very least.

  20. Architek Says:

    I’ve checked emotionally on this team because of Freeman. I don’t really have anything else to say – what a bleeping mess and it’s so hard to blame one person.

    Hopefully someone is accountable to the payroll at the very least. One thing is for sure freeman numbers are trashy!

  21. Buc1987 Says:

    “Is Joe calling for Mike Glennon? Hell, no! Joe is still adamant that the Bucs’ best shot at the postseason is Freeman, and yes, the Bucs are not quite out of the playoff race (yet).”

    1. How unfortunate for us. Our only option is Josh.

    2. Whenever Josh is ready to leave town, I’ll be on standby to pick him up and take him to the airport.

    3. Not only is Freeman an enigma, but Raphael as well. Both possibly mentally disabled.

    4. I never thought that I would have to see this again. This is Dilfer/Dungy all over again.

    5. I could not sleep for crap the night before the game. Got about 4 hours of sleep, because I had a strange feeling the Bucs were going to win. Got about 4 hours of sleep last night because they lost.

  22. bucfanjeff Says:

    The next 2 games will determine whom the QB will be after the bye week.

  23. Buc1987 Says:

    Whenever the Bucs are ready, I’ll gladly pick up Josh and take him to the airport.

  24. WestCoastBucsFan Says:

    I don’t know how everyone sees 1-7 and says Freeman has to go.

    The coach is responsible for wins and losses, not an individual player.

    A quarterback switch won’t make a difference. Schiano is incapable. The coach should at least have the balls to give his QB the ball with the game on the line so he can make a definitive decision based on the outcome.

  25. Buc1987 Says:

    Free to a good home. 1 large Josh Freeman jersey. Pick it up at RJS week 4. Any takers?

  26. BuccaneerBonzai Says:

    I agree with you, Joe.

    Freeman is young enough that bringing in a good veteran for him to learn behind would work as well, but there is no one acceptable out there.

    I’m with Freeman all the way unless a better option comes along.

  27. McBuc Says:

    Theoffensive play calling is suspect, and coaching as well based on the sloppy play, but the execution is not there, that is how we can sour on Freeman. I have supported and defended him for five years, I am done at this point. Shiano does not trust him for good reason, his execusion has been bad. We all look at driops, but even some catches are not great throws. He almost got Jackson killed yesterday hanging him out to dry on some of the balls Jackson caught. I am not 100% sold on Shiano at this point either, but he has the defense looking pretty darn good.

  28. Joe Says:


    Is there some rules you want us to follow with our posts and your filters? Could you enlighten us possibly because it is a bit frustrating when some posts don’t get posted.

    For some reason, the spam filters are picking up a lot of comments that they never should. It is frustrating for Joe as he constantly has to fish through the spam folder to dig out legitimate comments.

    Sorry for the hassle man.

  29. Buc1987 Says:

    WestCoastBucsFan….Schiano would never had to be put into the position of being conservative, if he had a QB that played well throughout the game. I was there Freeman did not pick up on open WR’s on many occasions and threw to covered receivers instead.

    As far as the team not lining up right. That’s not Schiano’s fault. These are veteran players that should know what they are doing by now.

  30. Rahb Says:

    Freeman Threw for over 4,000 yrds and 27 TDs in 2012. Ok he also had 17 interceptions, but half of them occurred in 2 games at the end of the season when he was pressing to get the team into the playoffs when the Defense was coughing up nearly 30 points per game.

    FREEMAN has already Proved he is a Productive QB, it is Schiano who hasn’t proved he is an effective Head Coach. 1-7 falls on the head of the Coach. Raheem Morris got 10 Wins out of a much less talented team and was FIRED when the team under performed as they have the last 8 games under Schiano. THIS IS NOT COLLEGE FOOTBALL. There are financial commitments of Huge $Millions in player contracts. The Coach is not the Attraction, it is the Players. AN NFL HEAD COACH IS SUPPOSE TO BRING OUT THE BEST IN THE PLAYERS. The Question is NOT why Freeman isn’t being Productive, the Question is WHAT HAVE THE COACHING STAFF DONE TO MAKE HIM MORE PRODUCTIVE than he has been before their arrival.

  31. lightningbuc Says:


    Ok, no problem. Thanks.

  32. Raphael Says:

    Lol I guess you are a whimp 1987 …
    I thought you were more knowledgeable about football than that . Guess I was wrong . So VJ falls down twice and drops 2 passes , we get a 72 yard td called back because of a DUmb penalty, and coach GIVES the ball back to Drew Bree’s … Lol @ blaming freeman .

    freeman is not the problem..

    For the record if Glennon goes in I will support him 100 % but it takes years to learn this system .

  33. bucrightoff Says:

    I just thought of an LOL trade idea: Freeman and 4th round pick to Washington for Kirk Cousins. With Josh’s #1 supporter in DC, maybe he could make the hard push that Josh is worth trading for.

  34. Buc1987 Says:

    Who wants my Freeman jersey? It’s free, I’m serious take it. Pick it up at rayjay week 4.

  35. BucsfaninChina Says:

    Correctomundo, Peter King!!! The only way Schiano does not likr Freeman is if HE DOESNT DO HIS JOB. Waking up late, not being the leader he needs to be, not performing on the field- that is how you get a ticket outta town, courtesy of Schiano.

    Ugh, to think there was positivity on here just a few weeks ago.

  36. lightningbuc Says:

    Buc1987 said:

    2. Whenever Josh is ready to leave town, I’ll be on standby to pick him up and take him to the airport.

    3. Not only is Freeman an enigma, but Raphael as well. Both possibly mentally disabled.

    Now this is something I would have never bet seeing on this site!

  37. nate Says:

    Joe the truth is we lost both of these games on 1 play… I blame mark dominick.. if we would of signed michael bennet he probably would of got a sack maybe ran down geno smith we win… we also could of signed his brother who is doing great for the bears asour tight end… I remember before the season how they wanted to play together and would probably come as a package deal if we signed them.. now our two weakesr positions are tightend and pass rush.. joe what do you think?

  38. joseph mamma Says:

    Freeman can’t get it done. If he could of, he would of by now. End of story. He looks like Jason Campbell 2.0

  39. Buc1987 Says:

    Raphael says
    “Lol I guess you are a whimp 1987 ”

    “For the record if Glennon goes in I will support him 100 % but it takes years to learn this system .”

    1. No I’m a Bucs fan that is reliving Dungy-Dilfer all over again. The defense is good because of Schiano.

    2. The offense can be simplified for Glennon if need be. It’s obvious to me that that it needs to be simplified for Josh as well. Perhaps it already has been simplified for him and the same results.

    3. You people had better get used to Schiano, because with a defense as good as the Dungy years he is going nowhere.

  40. Walter Says:


    You DO realize we have 9 sacks in two games right? We were pressuring Brees a lot yesterday, which is why we actually rattled him for a little bit, even John Lynch said how it was so rare to see Brees look as lost as he did at times yesterday. Tight end is definitely a weakness for us though, our only hope is Crabtree surprises us when he returns from injury. That doesn’t give me much hope though.

  41. NJBucsFan Says:

    May I ask what makes us think Schiano knows how to handle a QB? What QB has he developed? Mike Teal? Come on now…

  42. Rahb Says:

    The NFL needs to adopt the NBA Philosophy on Coaches!
    They must cater to the Players. Nobody buys a Ticket to watch a Coach. An NFL Coach doesn’t have the autonomy of a College Coach.

    An NFL Coach is responsible for X’s & O’s and putting players in the best situations to Exploit their Talents.

    If Greg Schiano (BTW, what is his track record for Offensive Football) wants to be Run Heavy in a League that has bent over backwards to Promote QBs and the Passing game as indicated by more run calls than Passes Then WTH!!

    Having a 25 yr old QB with 4yrs experience and a Powerful Arm and High Paid Receivers is USELESS. He can play any QB to turn and hand the ball off. It really doesn’t matter if Glennon or Freeman Starts under the Buccaneers Offensive Philosophy. Glennon can even be trusted with only 20 or so passes per game especially SHORT PASSES.

    STOP APOLOGIZING FOR SCHIANO. THE MAN IS OVER HIS HEAD COACHING MILLIONAIRES. He believes they MUST Adjust to Him,.when he is Heavily Out Numbered 53-1. A lot easier to replace 1 rather than 53 and all the Loot that would be forfeited. GET WITH THE DAMN PROGRAM GREG!!!!!

  43. Buc1987 Says:

    NJBucsFan Says:
    September 16th, 2013 at 11:07 am

    “May I ask what makes us think Schiano knows how to handle a QB? What QB has he developed? Mike Teal? Come on now…”

    Precisely why Buc fans are reliving Dilfer-Dungy all over again…

  44. Buc1987 Says:

    NJBucsFan Says:
    September 16th, 2013 at 11:07 am

    “May I ask what makes us think Schiano knows how to handle a QB? What QB has he developed? Mike Teal? Come on now…”

    and 2nd…is that Schiano’s job, Sully’s, or McNulty’s?

  45. Ricardo Esteban Says:

    you know fro is done when 87 changes sides. luke come to the dark side!!!

  46. NJBucsFan Says:


    Great point.

  47. BigMacAttack Says:

    I was at the game and I was pretty happy with Josh overall yesterday. Most of the mistakes weren’t his IMO. He linked up with VJax very well. It looked like a couple pass plays our WR’s were contacted or interfered with and again no call by refs. The refs didn’t miss a single call against the Bucs. On one punt Hayward got slammed in the back and no call. The refs did all they could to give the Saints the win, as usual.

    I thought our offense was better and our defense was great. You can only overcome so many penalties and many calls were bogus or only applied to the Bucs and not the Saints, like spearing players on the ground, holding, PI.

    Schiano blew it by not going for it on 4’th down. I was ok with running Martin on 3’rd, and I would have ran him on 4’th too.

  48. Buc1987 Says:

    Rahb …Make an online petition to bring Raheem back in then. Dungy made the Bucs a great D not the players. Gruden took them to the SB under an improved offense not the players. Coaches DO make the team better. I have not seen as good of a defense since the Dungy years than the one we have now. I’m not just saying this about the Bucs D either, but the entire NFL over the last 10-12 years. Like it or not Schiano is here to stay. Freeman is gone and rightfully so.

  49. Mr Lucky Says:

    Can we bring in Tebow now?

    What do we have to lose?
    Tebow won in Denver with a good defense and he ca. Motivate the troops

  50. BigMacAttack Says:

    Josh did hold too long on the sack fumble, but his pocket presence was hundreds of times better yesterday. He looked poised a d confident for the most part.

  51. SteveK Says:

    Freeman is all but finished here.

    My guess is we have to waive him, as no one will want to trade straight up.

    We pay 7 million of his 8.5m remaining and see about getting a 3rd round pick.

  52. Buc1987 Says:

    “You can only overcome so many penalties and many calls were bogus or only applied to the Bucs and not the Saints, like spearing players on the ground, holding, PI.”

    BigMacAttack :
    I was there too and fully agree on this point. On the other hand I saw many times where WR’s were open and Josh did not throw to them. Like the one that Williams caught out of bounds. There was 2 targets on the left side wide open, Josh threw to the right side to Williams covered and out of bounds.

    As for me I was okay with running the ball on third and six and running the clock down and kicking the FG. Kickoff a squib kick and make them return it while the clock ran. Also on that drive Josh hiked the ball once with 10 seconds on the play clock, those were the 10 extra seconds given to Brees and the Saints.

  53. Oil Derrick Brooks Says:

    Denial ain’t just river in Africa.

  54. bucrightoff Says:

    Blaming the refs is what children usually do when they lose. We did not lose because of the refs. We lost because in two weeks our offense has produced 24 points, 21 of which have been directly set up by the defense with drives under 43 yards. Our offense is, to say the least, offensive.

  55. Oil Derrick Brooks Says:

    @1987 re: those 10 seconds. I wonder if that was the play that I actually saw Schiano grimace on the sideline. They had the camera on him, and something pissed him off.

  56. Buc1987 Says:

    bucrightoff…let me get this straight perhaps you misunderstood me. Yes the Bucs deserved the penalties. It’s just that the Saints deserved some as well that were never called. Like spearing players on the ground, holding, and pass interference. I know this because there were many times that fans in my section were bitching about it.

  57. BigMacAttack Says:

    My point is that if you call it, call it both ways and that wasn’t happening yesterday. Wasn’t even close. If I am a child, I was one of tens of thousands at the game who felt the same. TV doesn’t show you everything you see love, as in the whole field. I’m sure the game film shows even more lopsided officiating.

    Bucrightoff, please don’t call me names anymore. I don’t do that to you so plese refrain while state my piece in as kindly as possible.

  58. SteveK Says:

    Good point on the time on the clock factor.

    Schiano went for the 3 points, because it is an easy kick.

    Dominick signed some expensive kickers, we should be able to turn to them.

    Right now, we have a QB issue, our starter stinks.

  59. RichinNC Says:

    7. That is the amount of points the offense scored. No team in the league will beat Brees scoring only 7 points on offense. Is it the coaches not getting the plays in? I remember Freeman having delay of game penalties before the coaching change. He may just be unlucky. Some guys have a ton of luck and some guys don’t. He has talent and breaks out some great throws once in awhile.

    He may just be a walking magnet for Murhy’s law.

  60. BigMacAttack Says:

    Live not love. Omg I sound like freeman.

  61. SteveK Says:


    There are fewer of the lemmings remaining.

    Hail to the New Schiano Order, he will lead us from the depths of awful to contender.

    Josh Freeman is losing his fan devout following with each and every gaffe.

  62. BucNasty Says:

    Start Glennon. That way we’ll see that this team will fail no matter who’s at QB because the coaching is sub-par. That and people who think Glennon is an NFL-caliber QB need to just stop.

  63. Buc1987 Says:

    Is there no free agent QB lying around on the couch somewhere?

  64. Couch Fan Says:

    A good QB has one of 2 qualities, sometimes both. They are 1) a good leader that can motivate his team mates and bring out the best in them or 2) if they arent a good leader they need to be able to play well.

    Josh can do neither of those things. He needs to go. We need a real QB. The Freeman Project has expired. Next man up! Start Glennon!! GO BUCS!!

    Can’t wait to hear BD cry like a sissy this week and hang up on more callers because he doesn’t like there opinion.

  65. Couch Fan Says:

    people who think Glennon is an NFL-caliber QB need to just stop.


    What kind of idiotic fan says something like this about a guy on there team thats never took a meaningful snap for them? Stupid is as stupid says.

  66. BigMacAttack Says:

    I thought the VJax TD was called back on a tickytack call. That is tough for any team or QB to bounce right back from.

    I believe that when the Giants won the Superbowl they started 0-4, got in on a wild card and ran the table. I think our team is really close to being able to beat anybody with this defense. Offense needs to correct a few things and its on. I expect they will be 4-2 very soon and will beat the Pats next week if Schiano takes a few chances on winning. We are very close and Josh will get us there. He was much better yesterday than he has been in a long time.

  67. Buc1987 Says:

    Again I hate to keep repeating this. This the best defense that I have seen in the NFL in the last 12 years since Dungy’s. That’s all 32 teams. Schiano is part of the reason for this. Buc fans are now stuck in a time warp back to 1998 Dilfer-Dungy.

  68. Buc1987 Says:

    BigMacAttack…I’m not saying Glennon is the answer either. I’m saying that it is unfortunate that he is the Bucs only option behind Freeman. I also think the Bucs will go up to N.E. and win because of the D. Freeman however will be Dilfer-like in that game as well. It befuddles me as to why people bash the second coming of Tony Dungy and defend Freeman.

  69. BigMacAttack Says:

    If Buc fans want a new QB, they need to mortgage the Draft and trade up for Bridgewater. This season is pretty much in the books with QB’s and Freeman is getting better. He isn’t there yet but we’ll see next week. I’m not pulling the plug yet on any of our players. Schiano is who I’m down on. He has done great with the defense but he is lost when it comes to offense and strategy. If anyone drags this team down it will be Schiano.

  70. BigMacAttack Says:

    Thx gtg back to work. Oh my head….

  71. lightningbuc Says:

    “people who think Glennon is an NFL-caliber QB need to just stop.”

    And you know this how? Because he played in the preseason with a bunch of guys who are now driving beer trucks and greeting people at Wal-Mart? I’m not sure he was ever on the field at the same time as Mike Williams and Vincent Jackson.

  72. Buc1987 Says:

    You people are Buc fans. Do you not LOVE defense anymore? Can you not see what is holding this team back right now? Jimminy Christmas, we Buc fans have seen this before. We’ve been through this. How many of you were Buc fans in the late 90’s? Do a search on Dilfer and look up his stats. It is what it is. This is the 2nd coming of Dilfer-Dungy. No 2 ways about it. I’m going to bed now. I got no sleep last night because of this game that kept replaying in my mind over and over again. I went to bed a 1 a.m. I was awake until 4 a.m. on 4 hours of sleep the night before. I could not shake this game out of my head.

  73. bucrightoff Says:

    I just cannot fathom where people’s heads are at that are suggesting Josh or the offense are improving. Josh if we project Josh’s last 5 games to a full season, it comes out to 13 TDs, 48 turnovers. In what crazy world is this improving?

  74. arealbucsfan Says:

    Can we say AJ McCarron?

  75. Couch Fan Says:


    In Dilfer’s defense. He never had an offense like this before. Josh does… and can’t do anything.

  76. Goodolebucfan Says:

    We really only have two targets on offense VJax and Williams. You might want to add Martin but he has been dropping a lot of passes this year. Really no receiving te and third receiver can’t catch a cold. We run on first down almost every play. We are to predictable and easy to defend. I don’t know about Freeman but it seems to me a good coach would mold his offense to his QB. Freemans a mobile QB plays his best football when he is mobile but this coach is trying to make him a pocket passer taking five step drops. Look how RG3 looks now that he is staying in the pocket. Now lets throw in micro managing how many players are tuning out coach cause he is trying to manage everything. I just hate to start over and rebuild again. There far more wrong then the QB play.

  77. BucsFan2002 Says:

    To all these people saying ‘Josh Freeman is not the problem’ you need to have your head examined or your eyes checked? Freeman has been terrible lately.
    You can blame the coaching staff all you want, and surely they share some of the blame for the sloppy play, and trouble getting the plays in, but c’mon. Didn’t they go out and get him Doug Martin, Vincent Jackson, Carl Nicks? Are you seriously telling me that Drew Brees couldn’t succeed with those weapons around him because the coaching staff is ‘so bad’? 9 for 22? Thats just disgusting.

  78. BigMacAttack Says:

    I’m not Freeman’s #1 fan at all, but several catchable balls were dropped. V jax dropped one in the 2’nd 1/4 ans martin dropped a check down. Mike Williams could have had the first TD in his hands, even though Greer was all over him and had ahold of his jersey before the ball. Watch the replay. Freeman had 2 bad plays, the INT and the Fumble. He played better yesterday than he did in NY, by far. Brees had 2 INT’s. Freeman threw the perfect bomb to VJaax that was called back. The first false start called on Mike Will was totally bogus, The ball was snapped before Williams moved. Watch it in slo-mo if you don’t believe me. My DVR only got the first half but I was there and Freeman wasn’t the problem. If not for dropped passes and interfered WR’s late in the game, Freeman would have been about 75% complete. It’s ok to hate on him when he is off but yesterday it wasn’t Josh or the O line. And I guess he gets zero credit running for a first on 3’rd down that lead to a TD.

    C’mon guys, if you’re going to hate on him, back it up. Don’t call the stats out, Check reality.

    I’m a Buc Fan and our team is close and way better than they were last year. The problem has been Schiano and Sullivan, not Josh or the players

  79. Matthew Duane Says:

    If you let Schiano have his way we will waste a very talented defense with his idiocy …. If you put Mike Glennon in and bench Josh Freeman we will lose 3 years to rebuilding and this defense WILL BE GONE ..

    FIRE SCHIANO and let Josh play … He can’t even call audibles or change the play because they have handcuffed him …. Let Josh wreck this cadillac without the backseat driver … We have the team NOW … FIRE THIS GUY

  80. BucNasty Says:

    @Couch Fan

    I dunno. What kind of idiotic fan thinks a rookie QB who wasn’t even good enough to push Dan Orlovsky off the roster is going to change anything for the offense?

  81. rdbucfan Says:


    I dunno. What kind of idiotic fan thinks a rookie QB who wasn’t even good enough to push Dan Orlovsky off the roster is going to change anything for the offense?

    Maybe he kept Dan O because when/if he benches Freeman, Dan O will be the back up and Freeman will be inactive.

  82. WhatOffense? Says:

    Need a qb with some heart and fire.. Some swagger! MANZIEL!!