Ignore Morris Claiborne’s Wonderlic Score

April 4th, 2012

Yesterday the big news of the day, especially concerning the Bucs, was that LSU cornerback Morris Claiborne’s Wonderlic test score was leaked (likely by a team hoping he slips in the draft).

Claiborne scored a four. That’s not good.

But the leak of the score has sparked unrest among many, largely because Claiborne has a learning disability that is well-known in NFL circles, writes Peter Schrager of FoxSports.com.

Schrager goes on to write that this learning disability did not hinder Claiborne on the football field — Schrager believes he is the best corner to come out of the draft since Darrelle Revis in 2007 — and Claiborne never ducked this issue and continued to go to class with the help of LSU tutors.

According to Greg Gabriel at the National Football Post, Claiborne’s disability — though not specified— isn’t a secret around the league. When he was recruited out of high school, it was made clear to the various big-time college programs courting him that he’d need academic advisors and assistance in the classroom once he selected a school.

After deciding to attend LSU, Claiborne didn’t fade away and let the rigors of the college environment swallow him whole. He worked with tutors and utilized LSU’s various on-campus learning resources to get the grades he needed to stay academically eligible and compete.

Claiborne’s time in college should be celebrated. Hell, it’d make for a decent movie. Local kid defies the odds, attends the state’s university, gets enrolled in the right classes and goes on to make millions starring in the NFL. It’s as feel-good a story as you’ll get in today’s world of college athletics.

Will this taint Claiborne in the eyes of Bucs rock star general manager Mark Dominik? It shouldn’t. Claiborne has demonstrated again and again on the football field why he is a stud and is a no-brainer for Dominik to draft if he is available at No. 5.

84 Responses to “Ignore Morris Claiborne’s Wonderlic Score”

  1. ATLBuc Says:

    Could not agree more. This score means nothing, even if he didn’t have a learning disability. He’s an absolute stud and will be a monster for years to come.

  2. Thomas Says:

    Dang, too bad Rice couldnt come to Tampa…would make this decision a lot easier! It’d be nice to have a ‘Revis like’ player on the team!

  3. Bobby Says:

    This decision will be easy because Richardson will be gone at #4 and we’ll take Claiborne. Even if Richardson is there we take Claiborne and then get Doug Martin in round 2.

  4. Meh Says:

    Funny you mention Revis. He only scored a 10 on the wonderlic.

    Besides, I don’t think the score matters. We have Ron Cooper as our DB coach. He was Claiborne’s DB coach. We’re going to have better info on this kid than any other team in the league.

  5. SensibleBuc Says:

    1) Just like I said yesterday, unless you’re a Quarterback the Wonderlic means next to nothing. We didn’t know the test conditions or Claiborne’s disabilities. Now we do. Further, the Wonderlic doesn’t test intelligence, just decision making under time constraints. Just like the SAT/ACT has ZERO to do with what you’re going to learn in college the Wonderlic has ZERO to do with playing in the NFL, especially playing corner.

    2) Whoever leaked the information should be canned like yesterday. Mike Florio said yesterday that every personnel guy in the League gets Wonderlic scores so nothing is gained by leaking the info to the public. If a personnel guy was trying to “tank” Mo’s draft stock, they’re a freaking moron and deserve to never work in the League again.

    3) For everybody who wants to be down on Claiborne for this, stop it. If Mo really is as dumb as everybody thinks he is, cornerback is the place for him anyway. Put him on an island locked up man-to-man on the #1 receiver every play and call it a day. He doesn’t need to learn the playbook if all he does is play man.

    With all that said…we still need to draft T-Rich 🙂

  6. legacy Says:

    Draft Stephen Gilmore instead he will be the best corner in this draft.

  7. Macabee Says:

    If anybody has been paying attention they would know that NFL coaches and GMs have had the Wonderlic scores on all players for weeks. Some wise guy that probably covets Claiborne released this hoping he might fall in the draft.

    The Bucs had an up-close and personal with Claiborne yesterday and as everyone knows hired his position coach, Ron Cooper, who knows Claiborne like a book. They know what they are getting!

    I’m still waiting to hear from all the opiners that believe that the Wonderlic score has any bearing on football skills or good decision-making make that correlation between Ryan Leaf and his score of 27.

  8. jvato24 Says:

    Cue the Purple vs Red Power Ranger Debate.

  9. Meh Says:

    Gilmore’s a project. He has the physical tools to be a #1 corner, but he’s a lot less of a sure thing than Claiborne, Kirkpatrick, or Jenkins.

    No way I take Gilmore at 5. Zero chance of this happening.

  10. Garv Says:

    IMO it’s a non-issue and should have no weight on whether or not the Buccaneers pick him at 5.
    He’s proven to be a hard worker, did what he had to do to deal with his learning disorder and is a very smart and talented football player.

    I also think it was flat our WRONG to leak this. It’s only gives mean spirited and ugly “fans” a reason to rip a young man they don’t know at all.

    These leaks should be investigated and those who throw around “stupid” comments should be ashamed of themselves and/or look in the damn mirror.

    Claiborne, Richardson or Kahil…..we win. Blackmon? We win too.

  11. Capt. Tim Says:

    Of course it’s Claibourne for us! It’s the perfect alignment. The best defensive player in the draft available to us, also happens to fill our greatest need!
    We only have one good CB on the team- and he’s really old. The rest are terrible!!
    Mo will be in the ProBowl by year three. Hell be a fixture there for a decade. He’s really that good.

  12. CC Says:

    Pick has to be Claiborne if he is available. Bucs defense last year was horrible and needs major upgrades in talent.

  13. Have A Nice Day Says:

    If I can score a nine and go on to graduate with a MDPHD in cardiology from Vanderbilt I think it is safe to say Clayborne can score a 4 and still play football in the NFL.

  14. deminion Says:

    Claiborne !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  15. Have A Nice Day Says:

    Woops. I still keep spelling Mo’s name with Adrian Clayborn’s name in my mind.

  16. Bucs4life Says:

    [Bucs4life: Suggesting Joe is “dishonest” is begging to get run from this site. You can tear apart anything Joe writes, that’s cool, no problem. The next time you claim Joe is “dishonest,” it will be your final comment on here. — Joe]

  17. Have A Nice Day Says:

    @Bucs4life Technically, only one other player(allegedly as no one has offered proof) has scored a four. That would be Darren Davis.

    As far as leaking the information, it is truly disgusting and appalling indeed.

  18. Bucs4life Says:

    @Joe – Glad to see you censor thoughtful comments with a fascist iron fist! I frankly don’t give a damn if I “get run,” so please feel free to go ahead and do it whenever you may please.

  19. Jarret Says:

    I know this isn’t about Claiborne but is anyone else a little annoyed that the two best run stopping linebackers on the market BOTH went to our division rival (the Saints). Schiano says Bucs are gonna pound the rock, but it will be that much tougher to do it when someone the Bucs play twice a year has guys that specialize in stopping it. I cant believe Dominik just let them go

  20. Have A Nice Day Says:

    @Bucs4life Just don’t call him dishonest. Everything else was fine. You can always repost it minus the one remark about Joe.

  21. Meh Says:

    bucs4life, there’s a big difference between disagreeing and calling someone dishonest. You clearly crossed the line. I just wish joe would offer everyone the same protections from slanderous insults that he reserves for himself.

  22. Meh Says:

    Jarret, ya, I have no idea why we passed on Lofton and Hawthorne (and Tulloch too for that matter). The costs weren’t outrageous, and it was a huge need spot, and now the Saints got 2 of the top 3 LBs available.

  23. Jarret Says:

    And now the Bucs are left hoping mason foster develops, quincy black isnt as useless as he seems and maybe resign hayes? Hard to believe THATS the plan with such a defensive minded coach.

  24. TrueBlue Says:

    If the Wonderlic is designed to how the player responds under pressure, how is that accurate if the player is unable to read the test? As the test was timed, no wonder he scored low. All you nay sayers try taking a test in a foreign language that your guessing what the words mean and see how you fair. That’s what it’s like with a learning disability where the words look scrambled. I wonder how the test would be scored if it was verbal. With a coach to give the information, that’s how it mostly is, and it seems Claiborne past the oral exams on the field quite well.

  25. Have A Nice Day Says:

    @Jarret It is odd that they picked up two MLBs. But it is okay because Will Smith, Sedrick Ellis, Jonathon Casillas and Scott Shanle will still get plenty of snaps.

  26. Bucs4life Says:

    @ Meh/Have a nice day

    I hate to be rude, but is there a reading comprehension problem on this board? I didn’t call Joe dishonest, I wrote that it’s another “intellectually dishonest article,” from Joe. The article is patently biased and doesn’t provide any context or perspective. There was no line crossed. If Joe can’t handle it with all the barbs he throws, I don’t know what to say…

  27. Have A Nice Day Says:

    @TrueBlue Nailed it.

  28. Marques Says:

    Joe with all due respect. He should be fired if he takes Claiborne. When a player has lowest test score in the history of the NFL. That has to have some significant quantative value period.

    It could be on or off the football field. (emphasis on could)

    You just don’t mess around with a top 5 pick.

    You can take a chance if youre a very good team with multiple picks in the first round.

    Not if you are the bucs.

    In my opinion you never draft a corner in the top ten ever. Like running backs you can find them in later rounds.

    A 5’11 corner with average speed although he has great instincts is not a difference maker.

    I’m not a hater. I’m an analyst.

    I wish the kid the best. Having said that I would not draft him.

    This is not personal.


  29. Have A Nice Day Says:

    @Bucs4life Joe reserves the right to remove any for any reason. I never said I agreed with it, just that you could re-post the rest of what you wrote and still get your points across. He didn’t block you, so rewrite it absent of the knock on Joe. No big deal.

    On that note, how is an opinion piece siting another opinion piece intellectually dishonest? If all opinions are intellectually dishonest, why do you bother to post your own?

  30. Mr. Patrick Says:

    My father, who is one of the smartest and sharpest men around has the same reading comprehension problem as Mo. Tell him or show him something one time and he’s got it 100%. If he has to read it, it takes a little longer. However, it has nothing to do with intellegence.
    At the cornerback position, I’ll take instinct over a test score any day.

  31. deminion Says:

    Joe with all due respect. He should be fired if he takes Claiborne. When a player has lowest test score in the history of the NFL. That has to have some significant quantative value period.

    It could be on or off the football field. (emphasis on could)

    You just don’t mess around with a top 5 pick.

    You can take a chance if youre a very good team with multiple picks in the first round.

    Not if you are the bucs.

    In my opinion you never draft a corner in the top ten ever. Like running backs you can find them in later rounds.

    A 5’11 corner with average speed although he has great instincts is not a difference maker.

    I’m not a hater. I’m an analyst.

    I wish the kid the best. Having said that I would not draft him.

    This is not personal.

    what shutdown corner have has bn drafted in later rounds?

  32. Patrick Says:

    Dom really f’d up by not signing a linebacker! should’ve signed a DT also!

  33. 941-Bucs Says:

    In the eyes of 31 other teams. It may change some things. But in the eyes of the Bucs i doubt it changes anything. Remember we do have his college coach as our DB coach. WE know every thing there is to know about Claiborne.

    I still hope we give HEAVY consideration to him at the number 5 pick. I would also like to see us steal LSU Ron Brooks (cb) in rounds 6-7.

  34. Oahubuc Says:

    Yeah, we have a Vanderbilt grad at corner who probably scored much higher. We’re all set, right? 😛

  35. 941-Bucs Says:

    @Patrick there is still plenty of time to get a LBer or what ever from the FA. We may not have the dream pick of Tulloch or Lofton. But there is a whole second round the FA market that will happen right after the Draft.

    For you to say Dom really messed up is a little premature. Wait till Training Camp starts to attack what he has done or hasn’t done to improve the team.

    So far this off season he has rebuilt a coaching staff. That (on paper) looks tons better then the previous regime. He also went out and got the Top WR on the Market and arguably the BEST O-Lineman in the NFL.

    He is making really good moves this year. If he hasn’t gotten a LBer or a RB in the FA. There may be a very good reason for it. Or Schaino really believes in what he sees on film he can correct with coaching.

  36. Theodore Says:

    It’s painfully obvious that the NFL uses Wonderlic scores to discount players who score too high. Low scores don’t scare teams but high scores do. They don’t want players with their own opinions, who think they are smarter than the coaches, etc.

  37. BigMacAttack Says:

    @Have a Nice Day

    Why do you continually post your resume? I doubt most reader could care less and what’s next? Are you going to just whip it out? You have totally blown Thomas away (by miles) as the most annoying poster on this blog.

  38. Have A Nice Day Says:

    I only wrote of my schooling once, a so I don’t understand exactly how that equates “continually posting”.

    I stated my schooling and wonderlic score as a specific example for context and clarification of the topic at hand. That is valid for adding perspective for those who otherwise never thought of it like that.

    Doing so aids in letting people understand things from a different case and perspective. Its unfortunate you don’t care for it as well as it annoys you. It isn’t going to change me or my commenting, but I appreciate your feedback nonetheless.

  39. BigMacAttack Says:

    Yesterday it was $600K, blah, blah, blah, and husband etc. that was the mention. I figured a Doc would make more than that. I’ll keep flipping burgers.
    Are you a woman?
    Oh well, have a nice day, have a nice day.

  40. Pete Dutcher Says:

    If you all recall, when this story broke I suggested a disability yesterday. Just pointing that out because Thomas claims I am never right.

    Even though I am as often as anyone else.

    I agree with that comment about having same standards.

  41. Capt. Tim Says:

    Pete- “even though I am ( right) as often as anyone else!”
    Yeah, anyone but me! And ya know it! Lol
    I have an annoying ability to be frequently right, and the right to be frequently annoying!

    And I exercise them both often:)

  42. Capt. Tim Says:

    And Richardson is still slower than a cow !!
    Frequently heard in Alabama” Mooooooove it Trent!, moooooove it!!

  43. Hawaiian Buc Says:

    OK now I know you have been joking about TR being slow captain. I take back all (ok, most) of the bad things I’ve ever said about you.

  44. Hawaiian Buc Says:

    As long as this learning disability doesn’t get in the way of him being able to learn and comprehend the playbook (which from what I’ve read it doesn’t), then I don’t really care about his score. He seems like a good kid and a great corner, and we would be lucky to have him (as long as Cleveland drafts TR, lol). As much as I’ve talked about him, I will be the first to buy his jersey. But seriously, a 4. Why didn’t he just go with C, like on every answer? Surely that would give him more than 4.

  45. BigMacAttack Says:

    T-rich is not slow. I hope that was a joke, Oh Great Annoying One. The kid is a bull strong baller all the way. I’d love to have him on our team. I believe the Bucs are in a can’t lose situation regardless of which player they draft or if they trade down. I’m not a Poe fan either.

  46. Hawaiian Buc Says:

    I’m pretty sure it is a joke BigMac. Tim has said in the past that he doesn’t watch college football, yet he calls T-Rich slow and Claiborne a great corner??? I guess he’s so smart from always being right that he doesn’t even have to watch the games to know what’s going to happen.

  47. bucfat Says:

    i Hope we sign Claiborne or is it Clayborne haha jk

  48. Thomas2.2 Says:

    I think is terrible that his score got leaked. Who knows if this indicates a potential problem?

    However, on tape the kid looks like a player.

  49. GenocideD Says:

    Theodore Says:
    April 4th, 2012 at 12:27 pm

    It’s painfully obvious that the NFL uses Wonderlic scores to discount players who score too high. Low scores don’t scare teams but high scores do. They don’t want players with their own opinions, who think they are smarter than the coaches, etc.

    Was this a joke? No smiley face or anything after that?!

  50. Have A Nice Day Says:

    @BigMac Another poster on here made a snide remark about me being a shoddy business woman. I used that as an example to that poster. You took it on yourself to assume it was a “resume”.

    Net time make sure you know what you are talking about before laying a worthless comment in an attempt to smear me. Make you look petty.

    Thanks for flipping the burgers, though. Someone has to do it and I’m glad its you 🙂

  51. Have A Nice Day Says:

    @BigMac BTW the average wage of a cardiologist is in the low $300k. I am in the 92nd percentile. Just to give you a future reference for your statement of “I thought doctors made more than that.” Some do, but most don’t.

  52. Capt. Tim Says:

    Who said I don’t watch college Foitball???
    And, while most of my comments about T Ruchardson are to torment his groupies( SteveK’s lil knitting circle),
    Or those who want to draft a SECOND elite back( ludicrous luxury, on a team with the worst Defense in the league!!),
    There is absolutely a truth there- the guy lacks a high gear. Adrian Peterson he aint. Not close- Can’t out run the Defense
    But, as those who actually comprehend what they read- that is a basic breakdown on the guy. It’s really the only thing I see on his breakdown- and that’s pretty amazing. He has great power, amazing balance and vision. He reacts to his blocking,and is great at adjusting when the play is audibilized! That’s a biggie.
    He always gets major yards after contact. He blocks well, and with leverage. He’s leg heavy, which gives him a great center of balance.
    My biggest point- he finds and agressively attacks the hole.

    But he ain’t perfect. Never been a god play football( sorry SteveK, cancel your alter and temple!)
    Th guy gets run down from behind. That’s gonna be an issue. A huge one? Nah. But its gonna keep him in the pack more, and add to his hit total

    Don’t ask me! Or argue with me! It’s all on his tape. If you watch, it’s the one thing you’ll notice.

  53. Hawaiian Buc Says:

    First of all, you have said it yourself. It was last year. You can deny saying it, but you did. I’m so tempted to go back and find it, and I just may go back and do it.

    Like I’ve said on several occasions, go find me one clip where he has been caught from behind. If it’s on tape as you claim, it should be no problem to find right? And where exactly is this breakdown you claim to have seen? Perhaps it has just left your rectum, because I sure as hell have never read that anywhere. My uncle is one of the team doctors and my cousin is on the dance team. They’ve seen every game he’s ever played. He’s never been caught from behind. That’s well known in Tuscaloosa. So the fact that you keep stating it is quite simply a lie, or at minimum ignorance. But my money is on you either ignoring this post or claiming you don’t have the time to find me a clip (with this brand new invention called google and/or youtube, it shouldn’t be too hard to find). The only clips you will find, however, are clips of him blowing SEC corners and safeties off the TV screen. Do your research, admit when you are wrong, and you will gain much more respect.

  54. Hawaiian Buc Says:

    Here’s a few runs to show how he lacks that high gear:





    Slow my arse.

  55. Capt. Tim Says:

    And yes, Claiborne is an Elite CB. He has the most fluidity, and body control in the air- of any Cb I can remember!

    And his greatest quality is his burst. He will get a ton of interceptions, because he can make up ground better than any CB I’ve seen since a certain “prime time” Cb .

    Yeah- that good

    Unless that “4” affects him- which it hasn’t so far- he will be elite at his position.

    Richardson will be too! Don’t get me wrong .
    But we have an elite back.

    We don’t have an CBs- except over the age if 36

  56. Capt. Tim Says:

    Hawaiian- lmao! I think someone has aggressively hit yer hole to often! The one in yer head, of course!( ahem)

    If yer gonna word hip a guy, at least watch him once in a while. Don’t ya own a DvR in this day and age?? If you werent wasting yer money on tofu, Surfboards, and Wax( ahem!), then ya coulda recorded his pro day on NFl network. They showed numerous tapes of him not making the corner- and getting run down. They mentioned it as I did. A very small issue, on a great player.
    So quit whining at me, because you’d rather buy Micro greens( Ahem!), than a recorder. Your being uninformed is yer problem and yer fault. Crying at me won’t change it!!!

    TR doesn’t have a high gear. Neither did Earl Campbell.neither did “the Bus!”, neither did a lot of great backs.

    He’s still a waste of a pick. We have a RB!

  57. Capt. Tim Says:

    But I am glad you told us you have family in Alabama.
    That did help to explain alot!

  58. Hawaiian Buc Says:

    You are so full of it. My TV never leaves channel 212 for your info. They never said jack sh!t about him being run down, nor did they show any clips of it. Who were the analysts that said it? Bucky brooks sure as hell didn’t. You Still don’t have a link? So I guess I’m supposed to take your word for it? I don’t trust liars, sorry.

    It’s funny how you have to resort to stupid stereotypes about where I live to attempt to discredit me (I don’t eat tofu and have never been on a surf board FYI). That’s pathetic, and does absolutely nothing but prove exactly how ignorant you are.

    And for the record, my view is not tainted because my family lives in Alabama. I am a Gator, so by rule I can never cheer for Alabama. They sent me an Alabama jersey for my son for Christmas, which stays in its rightful home at the bottom of his dresser (of course in our grass shack that you believe we live in).

  59. Hawaiian Buc Says:

    Since you analyzed his pro day on NFL Network, what did they say his 40 time was? Just give me the team they showed him get run down against. Give me something other than your word.

  60. BigMacAttack Says:

    @Have a Nice Day.

    Your profession has really no bearing on NFL sports evaluation, including almost any prospective. Now if you practiced sports medicine, were a surgeon or an orthopedic specialist, that would be a different story. Just like the couple of lawyers on the blog chime legal commentary when it comes to guys like Talib, they bring something to the table. See, I believe you see yourself more as an elitist, like Obama, who believes that you are somehow better than the average burger flipper or non-professional, so you flash your resume to make yourself look good or superior. You brag about how much money you make to further try and demonstrate you are better than anyone else. You can mask the comments with lies and excuses but it is the truth coming from your world of condescension. Then you further the elitist position by stating you are in the 92’nd percentile, which is funny because I have a few friends that are cardiologists and most of the docs I serve burgers to earn about 5 to 10 times that amount of money. I’m happy making $8.50 hr even though I was very hesitant to brag here on how much I earn. I didn’t want to make anyone feel bad or inferior like some people would. So intsead of have a nice day this time, GFY. The last guy with the snide remark was pretty close but in lieu of shoddy, he should have used snotty.

  61. Hawaiian Buc Says:

    If he lacks a high gear, how was he able to turn the corner on Claiborne in the championship game? Does he also lack a high gear? Did you even bother clicking the links? I doubt it, because you apparently enjoy being ignorant.

  62. BigMacAttack Says:

    So hey Hawaiian Buc brother, hows the weather out there? You and Cappy have been going at it. I think he just tries to get under your skin. I’m having my fun with this other rich rocket surgeon in between orders at the drive through, haha. I think I should ask her/him if she wants fries with that. I would love to come out there if I could get some time off. It’s been over 25 years since I was last there. I got to surf at Sunset Beach 1 day and went to ins and outs snorkeling the area. The rest of the time was stuck working on the big island, and only got to smoke once at the beach that day, but it was pretty awesome bud. No matter what, we’re going to have an awesome draft. I can feel it. This Schiano guy may really get them going. I hope so. Peace Brother.

  63. Have A Nice Day Says:

    @BigMac LMAO!!!! My husband is a sports therapist/athletic trainer.

    As far as your elitist comment, that could not be further from the truth. I have said nothing to insinuate anything elite from me. I have said nothing in condescension. It is all in your head.

    You on the other hand just went out of your way to say how my prospective means nothing. You are attacking my person without justification. I simply stated my schooling. You are the one that ran away with thoughts in your head of “She thinks she is soooo great”. I never said anything bolstering me.

    I’m glad your happy. I said “Someone has to do it and I’m glad its you :)” because I’m glad you are “flipping burgers” as you put it because clearly you enjoy it as you put it in your name. Everyone has to do something. If that makes you happy. Awesome! I never said anything bad about that.

    This is not about me. This is about you. You even said it yourself “See, I believe you see yourself more as an elitist, like Obama, who believes that you are somehow better than the average burger flipper or non-professional, so you flash your resume to make yourself look good or superior.” This couldn’t be any further from the case. You on your own have placed me on top of a pedestal and are bitching because I’m up there!

    You are fabricating a character of me that doesn’t exist. If you want to imagine me ass that, fine, but don’t act like I’m talking down to you when it is you that is unnecessarily talking up to me.

  64. Have A Nice Day Says:

    If you know a cardiologist that makes ten times more than me on his profession alone(that would be over 4.5 million btw), I would like to meet him as, because he very well may be the richest and most famed cardiologist on the planet.

  65. Have A Nice Day Says:

    Here is a nice article of our general wages. This includes people who do not own their own business(as I do) but work for large corporations as well.


  66. Hawaiian Buc Says:


    Yeah, but it’s all good with the Captain. We have to argue with someone right? That’s what makes it fun. I’m enjoying watching you and Mr. 600k going at it too.

    Weather out here is pretty good, not a whole lot of change. We don’t have hit or cold, we have wet or dry, lol.

    Yeah, we are going to get a great player regardless. I of course want TR, but Claiborne is one helluva consolation prize! I can’t wait for the schedule to come out so I can plan a trip to Tampa.

  67. Hawaiian Buc Says:

    I think it’s hilarious how Have a Nice Day can be such a hypocrit. This is the same person who asked when he stated Claiborne’s wonderlic score shouldnt be looked into, to which I responded with 4 sentences (explaining how when you say ‘”the wonderlic is worthless”, that’s what you are implying). He then accused me of wriiting a novel (with 4 whole sentences) and putting words in his mouth. Look at how much he wrote in response to you! Still not a Pete Dutcher type novel, but pretty long. Apparently, he doesn’t understand that certain statements imply other things. I’m going to make my own implication: he sure does have a lot more free time during work hours than most doctors I know (my uncle barely has time to use the bathroom when he is working). Especially for one in the 92nd percentile in pay. (this is really going to piss him off, which should keep this thread going for a while)

  68. Have A Nice Day Says:

    “He” is a she, Hawaiian. And no, your words do not piss me off, but it will keep this thread going for at least one more response.

    You wrote four sentences on four words. Each one of my paragraphs were pointing out many different statements from BigMac in which he had drawn long baseless statements about me in his previous multiple posts. I was not cherry picking four words to dedicate an entire post to.

    Yes, I do have a lot of free time. If I wanted to make more money and work for someone else year round, I could. That is not my desire.

  69. BigMacAttack Says:

    HAND, okay, I see what you are saying, but this is why men are from Mars and women are from Venus. I was in no way talking up to you. Really, don’t flatter yourself. I also know arguing with a woman is like wrestling with a pig in the mud, so I guess just maybe we can agree to disagree (after you have the last word of course), because we clearly see things from different sets of eyes. And I don’t drop names, or any real info about myself because it doesn’t matter who you are, what you do or where you came from in a place like this. It’s all about the content. I also see you qualified the point of owning one’s own business vs working for others.

  70. BigMacAttack Says:

    Sorry, I meant Dr. Hand, but I should have said Dr. Handjob. You bring out the best in me Doc.

    Reread some of your posts and tell they aren’t elitist. Why would anyone broadcast on a blog how much money they make unless they were proud of it or wanted to make others feel inferior. You really have no clue and thank God you’re not shrink, because you don’t get it. Good thing I still run and workout that I won’t end up in your office. I’d be better off seeing the Vet that tends to my horses.

  71. Hawaiian Buc Says:

    Yep, definitely a woman. Only a woman could give an explanation like that, and totally ignore the similarities when the script is flipped. I was confused because you are calling other men “bro”, which is a little abnormal where I come from, but the mystery has been solved.

    I still find it perplexing that you don’t understand how saying “the wonderlic is worthless” implies that you think it shouldn’t be looked into. But then again, in no way would I ever expect you to admit that perhaps, just once, by the stars aligning, you may have made a mistake. That is crazy talk right there, and I apologize for even thinking that it was possible. I should also try to keep my responses very short, thus giving up the floor to what you say, which is obviously more important and correct, by right. I’ve still got a lot to learn.

  72. Hawaiian Buc Says:

    She doesn’t get it, and she thinks that by using her income as evidence, she will further strengthen her credentials. She doesn’t realize how it makes her look, because she expects everyone to take everything literally (which is downright odd, because every woman I’ve ever met wants me to read their mind and know everything they are implying). She also doesn’t realize that nobody cares. I don’t know if she’s a cardiologist or not, but I really don’t give 2 sh!ts. Unless what you do for a living pertains to the subject at hand (for example, if you are a sports agent, then you should tell us how the game really works), there’s really no point in telling us. And as far as how much money you make, super tacky. Aside from my wife, I would never tell a soul how much I make, especially not on a blog site. I learned that in 5th grade.

  73. Hawaiian Buc Says:

    …..but, here comes some more excuses. Or, she will take her ball and leave the playground.

  74. BigMacAttack Says:

    Yeah, the AMA Blog must get a little boring so she’s been slumming down here with the common folk.

  75. Have A Nice Day Says:

    Wow. So the argument was worth having, but since I am a woman, there is no hope, then you insult me with the “handjob” remark, suggest that a vet is more qualified than me to work on humans, then follow that up by saying I am treating others as inferior?!?!. haha Unbelievable. If there is any reason this argument “is like wrestling with a pig in the mud”, it has little to do with my being a woman but much to do with your inability to converse without injecting your own emotions and preconceptions into my words.

    I have already stated this, but as you appear to have forgotten, I will refresh your memory: The first money reply was in response to Hawaiian taking a swipe at my business acumen. You are the one who took it beyond that with more swipes. I was responding to your smears, inquiries, and false statements about the profession. If you don’t want the replies, don’t direct the words to me.

    As far as seeing you as a patient when ill, I still would regardless of your blackening words of me. Why? Because I care and am a human just like you.

    And to think, we could have had a nice back and forth from the get go had you not been adamant to run our colloquy with extensive calumny.

    This will be the end of my words on this topic as I tire of reiterating myself to a deaf audience.

  76. Have A Nice Day Says:

    @Hawaiian The wonderlic worthless. It is not an accurate gauge of intelligence. If the Bucs want to consider it, fine. If a business wants to use it, fine. I find nothing of use for its intended purpose as it does so ineffectively.

    I brought up myself as an example. I don’t understand how using personal experience to warrant a viewpoint is a bad thing. If I can get a 9 and be a cardiologist, and Mo can get a 4 and be a footballer, this test doesn’t mean much at all. That is where I’m coming from and that was all. You two are the ones that implored further dialogue of me then proceeded to bash me for doing so.

  77. BigMacAttack Says:

    I knew the HJ comment was gonna getcha. I just had to do it. I’m a guy and that’s what we do. It all started for me with the $600K. Completely inappropriate on a sports blog and way outta line. No excuse justifies it on a sports blog. It was so far out of bounds it had to be dealt with. That is something men won’t do, and to bad you can’t admit you were wrong. I admit many of statements made to you were wrong, but not the Docs and money. Maybe Carts, but not Docs that I know. The next thing and the reason for me saying “condescending” is the use of PHD. You see it on blogs when people want to say that “I am smarter than you because of …PHD”. I really find it amazing that you don’t understand that coming from a common man’s perspective. I also never talk to women like that, but I still don’t know for sure if you are one. Either way I do have to apologize for the HJ remark, it was outta line.

  78. Hawaiian Buc Says:

    This is so hilarious. She still refuses to admit any fault. Unbelievable, but entirely predictable. I think she possibly has a reading comprehension problem as well. I stated that any successful business person would take the score into consideration. You took it to the next level, and then brought up how much you make. Like BigMac said, totally inappropriate and classless.

    If you scored a 9 on the wonderlic, then I really hope I never have to be seen by you. That is absolutely horrible. As a doctor, I’m pretty sure you took tests in Med School, so for you to be that bad is a little scary. I have a feeling you are lying, either about being a doctor, or scoring a 9 (it’s amazing to me that you actually took the time to take it, and then take it again), but then again I really don’t care.

    You just keep on justifying yourself, and the rest of us common folk will continue to know the truth.

  79. BigMacAttack Says:

    I agree about the lying part and think she really is a man. I only went after her/him the other day because she’s always calling people out as if she knows everything. I respect people’s opinions, people with class anyway. I just got sick of it the other day when the $600K thing came out. It was like a new mission for me to down her. She may not post on this thread again but I guarantee she’ll read what we wrote. Kinda unlike a woman not to get the last word in, that’s why I think she is really a man, or a boy actually.

  80. Hawaiian Buc Says:

    Yep, if she’s a woman, no way she could let this go, and no way she will ever admit to being wrong.

  81. Apple Roof Cleaning Tampa Says:

    Claiborne hasn’t been tested. A guy like Greg Childs is Claiborne’s biggest test this season? That’s just crazy. He doesn’t have the elite technique or fluidity that guys like Revis or Nnamdi have. Claiborne is gonna be in for a shock when he gets matched up with guys like Brandon Marshall, Dwayne Bowe, Vincent Jackson, AJ Green, when he finds out 188lb 4.5 man press don’t work againt elite players in the NFL. I didn’t even list guys like Calvin, Fitzgerald, Andre for obvious reasons, he’s just not an elite player. Claiborne wasn’t even the best DB on his own team last year. That was Mathieu. He has a future in the NFL, but he’ll never be a great CB.

  82. Joe Says:


    Claiborne hasn’t been tested.

    Does the name Julio Jones mean anything to you?

    Claiborne is gonna be in for a shock when he gets matched up with guys like Brandon Marshall, Dwayne Bowe, Vincent Jackson, AJ Green,

    LOL Brandon Marshall!

    Um, Claiborne won’t be in for a shock with A.J. Green. You do know where Green played in college, right?

  83. BigMacAttack Says:

    And Janoris Jenkins also played against those same studs in the SEC as a Freshman. Jenkins is the CB that I want, but just don’t know if he’ll be around when its time to pick. He is stronger than Claiborne, quicker to the ball and I think he’s learned his lessons by now.

  84. Hawaiian Buc Says:

    If we don’t go Claiborne, I actually really like Boykins from Georgia. He’s a little undersized, but he’s plays big. He has elite speed, and is an excellent return man. He has played with much less help, as his front 7 is nowhere near the caliber as LSU. I’m not saying he’s better than Claiborne (can’t teach size), but he would be a pretty good consolation prize.