Josh Freeman = JaMarcus Russell?

September 23rd, 2013

jamarcus russellJoe just read a truly horrifying nugget that was passed on via ESPN.com’s Pat Yasinskas. It should sober any Bucs fan who is drowning his sorrows over yesterday’s gutless loss to the Patriots.

Bucs franchise quarterback Josh Freeman is on pace to obliterate the record for worst pass completion percentage set by the notorious JaMarcus Russell.

In Sunday’s loss to New England, Freeman completed 13 of 32 passes (40.6 percent) against four or fewer pass-rushers. Through three games, Freeman has completed a league-worst 40.7 percent of his passes in those situations.

Since the start of the 2006 season, which is as far back as current tracking data exists, the lowest completion percentage by a quarterback against four or fewer pass-rushers for a full season was 51 percent by JaMarcus Russell in 2009.

Yeah, it’s come to a point where Freeman’s getting mentioned with Russell. The sad part is Freeman’s on pace to beat Russell’s record.

There really are no words to express Joe’s disgust. “Unacceptable” doesn’t do Joe’s horror justice.

Yes, yes, yes, Freeman is the victim of untimely drops. Say every Bucs receiver has caught every one of Freeman’s passes with four or fewer linemen chasing him down. What does that make his completion percentage within these stats, 48 percent?

Oh, that makes everything so much better now! That changes the entire picture. Quick, Bucs rock star general manager Mark Dominik, sign Freeman to an extension, now! If you factor in those drops, why, Freeman is a veritable Jim Kelly, right?

No, Joe really doesn’t believe Freeman will get benched this season. And, no, at this point, Joe cannot foresee Freeman returning to the Bucs unless he immediately turns his fortunes completely around.

Anyone want to take odds that will happen?

51 Responses to “Josh Freeman = JaMarcus Russell?”

  1. bucbucbuc Says:

    This is incredibly dumb. Sure, he’s on pace, but on pace after three games. I could come up with all kinds of mind blowing stats based on a three game sample size. Josh has been playing terribly, no doubt, but this kind of comparison is absolute garbage.

  2. WestCoastBucsFan Says:

    Peyton Manning was on pace for 112 TDs after game one. The Bucs defense was on pace for 80 sacks after game one.

    Bring on Glennon if you honestly feel like it can’t get any worse. I promise, it can.

  3. Nick2 Says:

    Joe I hope your wrong but I truly believe Freeman not NFL starter material. I also believe that we would be better with Glennon at this point. Yes I think he will throw some games away as a rookie always does but if you have your 5th year starter doing that it demoralizes the entire team. Basically we can’t do worse than Freeman is currently or at least not much worse. If you think Glennon stinks period I can see where you differ but I think Glennon could be an NFL starting qb and Freeman never will be again.

  4. Couch Fan Says:

    Agreed bring on Glennon!!

  5. Eric Says:

    Losing every game is by definition as bad as it can get.

  6. bucforce Says:

    Yet, your BFF on WDAE620, refuses to assign any of the blame to #5. It’s the WR’s fault, it’s the scheme etc. He should not do any player show interviews, that way he could sound mildly objective. Right now, it sounds kinda sad.

  7. buc4lyfe Says:

    @JOE—-HEY I GOT SOME USELESS STATS FOR YOU—-THATS AN INSULT TO COMPARE ANYONE TO SKITTLES, NOONE QUESTIONED HIS WORK ETHICH UNTIL SCHIANO GOT HERE AND THATS BECAUSE HE WAS ALWAYS IN THE BUILDING AND HAPPY TO BE HERE UNTIL THIS NUT CAME TO TOWN…DAMN PATRIOTS SHOULD HAVE NEVER SCORED AT ALL, DAMN…..SEEING REVIS PASS OFF HIS RECEIVER TO A SAFETY IS THE DUMBIEST COACHING GAME PLAN I’VE EVER WITNESSED

    JOSH FREEMAN COMPLETION% PER YEAR
    2013–45.7% thru 3 games
    2012–54.8%
    2011–62.8%
    2010–61.4%
    2009–54.5% rookie season

    A HIGH OF 62.8% ISNT CLOSE TO GOOD ENOUGH BUT TO REGRESS BACK TO HIS ROOKIE SEASON….WHAT ABOUT THE COACHES STAT, WHAT ABOUT US HIRING A HEAD COACH WHO HAS NEVER COACHED IN THE NFL AND WHATS WORSE HAS NEVER PLAYED IN THE NFL SO HE HAS NO CLUE WHAT THE PROBLEM IS WHICH IS WHY HE HAS TO LOOK AT THE TAPE

    So in 2011 when this team won 4 games and they quit on raheem morris he could pass for 62.8% with NO WEAPONS but schiano comes in and they spend as much money as they want on offense and defense and it’s the quarterback fault he cant coach us to a win? Say what you want about raheem morris and his staff that was chosen for him by dominick, atleast they know how to make in game adjustments and halftime adjustments. reason this coach is 0-5 in close games is they dont adjust, they come in with a game plan and run it no matter what the defense or offense does to adjust to their scheme…piss poor coaching

  8. Free's a Boob Says:

    Why Free never does anything wrong! It’s the defenses, or the coaching, or the receivers, or the water

  9. buc4lyfe Says:

    i’m rooting for glennon to get his first nfl start, i think thats the only way people will realize that the game plan sucks every week. It’s like everyone saw how bad freeman played but didnt see how bad the defense played, watching revis play zone…even goldson wasnt hitting yesterday, they are probowlers who know what they are doing isnt going to work…REVIS SPENT HIS ENTIRE CAREER IN THE PATRIOTS DIVISION SO I THINK HE KNOWS ALITTLE SOMETHING….EVEN I KNOW THAT ITS KINDA DUMB TO DROP BACK YOUR BEST RUSHERS INTO COVERAGE ON THE GOAL LINE….THIS COACH IS AWFUL BUT HEY LETS PLAY GLENNON TO WATCH HIM FAIL IN THIS SYSTEM TOO, WHAT THE HELL WHY NOT

  10. bucrightoff Says:

    If Freeman goes sub 50% again next week with more ugly, rookie-like mistakes and no TD drives produced without the defense, its going to be incredibly difficult to sell to the fan base he should start again after the bye. Sub 50% completion is totally unacceptable in todays NFL.

  11. Couch Fan Says:

    i BLAME IT ON THE WATER BOY MYSELF!!!

  12. buc4lyfe Says:

    @Free’s a Boob

    OK NO MORE EXCUSES…FREEMAN’S STAT LINE SPEAKS FOR ITSELF, I WONT MAKE AN EXCUSE FOR HIS INACCURACY OR THE PREDICTABLE OFFENSE OR THE DROPPED TOUCHDOWN PASSES OR THE FACT THAT HE KEPT GETTING THE TEAM IN FEILD GOAL RANGE AND THAT IDIOT COACH REFUSED TO KICK FIELD GOALS THAT WOULD HAVE MADE THIS GAME CLOSER. IF YOU ARE DUMB ENOUGH TO BENCH A KICKER THEN IN THE PRESS CONFERENCE IMMEDIATELY SAY HE IS OUR KICKER THEN WHY NOT PUT GLENNON IN….THE SAME GUY THAT PLAYED ALL PRESEASON AND HAD EVERY CHANCE TO TAKE THE STARTING JOB.

    ITS NOT HIS FAULT THE SORRY O COORDINATOR’S IDEA OF A GAME PLAN IS TO TAKE THE SMALLEST GUY ON THE FIELD AND THROW DEEP TO HIM. ITS HIS FAULT THEY GOT RID OF DALLAS CLARK WHO PLAYED GOOD ENOUGH TO COME BACK FOR ANOTHER SEASON, ITS HIS FAULT THEY LET RONDE RETIRE IN FAVOR OF LEONARD JOHNSON INSTEAD OF LETTING HIM GO BACK TO THE NICKEL

    OH AND OF COURSE IT’S FREEMAN’S FAULT THEY WASTED A 3RD ROUND PICK ON A ROOKIE THAT CANT HELP US WIN INSTEAD OF GOING AFTER A STUD TIGHT END….YOUR RIGHT FREEMAN SUCKS LETS GET RID OF THE ONLY PROBLEM THATS STOPPING US FROM BEING UNDEFEATED!!!

  13. BigMacAttack Says:

    Listening to Schiano is painful. It’s just blah blah blah. He had contempt for all the questions, you could here it in his voice. He was down and depressed. THE PATS KICKED HIS A$$!!! It’s the same BS coming from his suck again. Another loss, it was this, it was that, 10 other guys, we have to do better, starts with me, blah blah. How many times do I have to here Schiano tell us HE has to do better. It is going on like a dozen times counting preseason.

    Schiano you Suck!. You’re a loser and if you can’t Hack it, Pack it !!!!

    I have tried to give this loser a chance but I’m done, and Dominick isn’t too far behind. It’s pretty sad when you lose your top WR and the entire team falls apart and then QUITS!!!

    Somebody get this clown’s Check and send him packing. Freeman, trade him, bench him, cut him, whatever but he doesn’t have the team behind him and Schiano is totally sucked right up his butt!

  14. Joe Says:

    buc4lyfe:

    A HEAD COACH WHO HAS NEVER COACHED IN THE NFL

    Schiano was a secondary coach with the Bears in the 1990s.

    WHATS WORSE HAS NEVER PLAYED IN THE NFL

    You mind if Joe can just list a few coaches who never played in the NFL?

    Vince Lombardi
    Weeb Ewbank
    Hank Stram
    John Madden
    Bill Walsh
    Paul Brown
    Joe Gibbs
    Bill Parcells
    Jimmy Johnson
    Mike Holmgren
    Mike Shanahan
    Dick Vermeil
    Brian Billick
    Bill Belicheat
    Chucky
    Tom Coughlin
    Mike Tomlin
    Sean Payton (he played one game as a scab)
    Mike McCarthy
    John Harbaugh

    None of the aforementioned coaches played in the NFL but all of them won a Super Bowl (or in Paul Brown’s case, multiple NFL titles).

    So yeah, Joe would prefer a guy who didn’t play in the NFL as a coach. Only a handful of coaches won Super Bowls that played in the NFL.

    If, as you suggest, Freeman’s work ethic has vanished because of Schiano, that says a whole lot more about Freeman than it does about Schiano.

  15. Free's a Boob Says:

    @buc4lyfe

    I am all with you on the kicker. I believe I expressed concern before the season that no Barth would have an impact on the game and game plan. Losing a guy who is consistent from 50 plus is a major loss. There aren’t many guys like him around. I don’t know if Schiano should have gone for the kicks or not. Lindell missed last week and the first yesterday. Last week the board was all over Schiano for not going for it instead of trying the field goal.

    Whether I believe in Josh or not, I do think our record would be different if Barth were here. But it is what it is.

  16. Nick2 Says:

    Anyone that watches Buc games and thinks Freeman is not the biggest part of the problem is in serious denial thats all I have to say. Its funny the rest of the natiion sees it but locally alot of people have their rose colored glasses on. Lets bring in someone who may be our next franchise QB after the bye when the season is done anyway. Freeman definitely is not that person.

  17. BigMacAttack Says:

    It’s time for the BIG GLAZER FOOT to come down on this MESS. I know they have to be totally pi$$ed off about this. Like they said if you want time, take it, but if you go for the big names to win now, you better win now. Raheem did a better job with far far less. This is beyond ridiculous and such a talented group of players to be running on 6 cylinders, with an oil leak, an exhaust leak, and clogged fuel filter. At least the battery isn’t dead yet but its mighty close. I’m just so fed up with Schiano and this situation.

  18. BigMacAttack Says:

    Hey Coach, You Suck!!!

  19. BirdDoggers Says:

    Freeman has been far from extraordinary, but he’s had more success than JaMarcus Russell. Russell didn’t show any signs of commitment or desire from the moment he was drafted. At least Freeman has shown promise at times. He has even shown leadership and a desire to get better. At some point within the past year it seems Freeman has lost that.

  20. BigMacAttack Says:

    And Josh Freeman is afraid of his own shadow. I believe Schiano has given him PTFD. He probably has to check with Schiano is he wants to take a dump. “You need to wipe with a quick fluid motion, and put some zip on that wipe! Then you need to practice it left handed and we will pipe in some crowd noise,”

  21. RealityCheck Says:

    Freeman is playing bad and stares down every pass BUT he needs a TE, period. Freeman didn’t do as bad other seasons because he had a TE to throw to and an offensive scheme that used one. But I guess he just wasn’t a “Buccaneer Man”.

    Kellen Winslow receptions/Freeman’s completion record:

    2009 – 77/54.5%
    2010 – 66/61.4%
    2011 – 75/62.8%

    Graham, Witten, Davis, Gronk, Gates, etc can absolutely dominate a game as we all got to see up close and personal with Graham putting up 179 yards against our defense. But hey our offensive scheme doesn’t need a great TE, right? A competent 3rd receiver would be nice as well. How are any of our guys better than Underwood? At least he could catch.

    Bucs Game Plan: RUN, RUN, PASS, PUNT, REPEAT (in game adjustments forbidden)

  22. buc4lyfe Says:

    doesnt really matter because this team just went through a breakdown with raheem morris 4-12 season and it’s not that far away in their minds so either this team is full of mental midgets or they’re gonna break out and fight regardless of who is at quarterback and for schiano and mike sullivan they better hope that they decide to fight instead of giving up on another no name head coach with zero experience

  23. lightningbuc Says:

    BigMacAttack,

    You actually gave credence to Raphael’s conspiracy theory last night that no one in Schiano’s family was really sick, so I’ll consider the source with you.

  24. pelbuc Says:

    Only us Bucs fans have to endure a whole season tanked again because our QB and the rest of the offense has no heart, no will and no smarts. As a lifelong Bucs fans, this season has to be the worse knowing we are this hapless with this talent. Sadly, this team is full of selfish and dumb players that just care about a paycheck. It’s quite evident from their play. Four preseason games and 3 regular season games and they still produce this excrement! Amazing!There is something very, very wrong within OBP. Damn, they should at least have some pride and TRY to play like they want to win. At this point, I don”t care when they get rid of Freeman, just do it. If you “lose the locker room” so what! What’s gonna happen.. they might lose.

  25. Adam L. Says:

    Jamarcus Russell kept the Bucs out of the playoffs and handed Chucky his final loss. He would technically be an UPGRADE over Josh Freeman.

    But Freeman gives the Bucs the best chance to win.

  26. Old*Skool*BucFan Says:

    Typical day in Tampa Bay. This is our history…trash the coaches: Dungy, Gruden, Morris, Schiano. Trash the QB: Testeverde, Dilfer, Brad Johnson, Griese, Freeman. Don’t get me wrong many deserved the criticism. Its just sad to realize this is our past, present, but hopefully a new future is upon us. Yes, Freeman needs more help. No TEs(although our offense doesn’t “need” one) or WRs other than Jackson and Williams. No depth at these crucial offense skill positions. I don’t want to hear about the drops, yes drops are happening. But if you watch the game Freeman under-throws, over-throws, throw-behind, throws in the dirt….its really annoying to watch. It cant be any worse with Glennon, we are 0-3. Our QB is not a pure NFL starter. Its also pretty obvious this offense doesn’t fit Freeman at all. Freeman would be better suited in an offense like Houston, where he could do roll outs and play-action passes all day. He is NOT a natural drop back QB, because he cannot read defenses at all. The play at the end of the 1st half, where Talib intercepted the pass is a prime example. Freeman STILL stares down his receivers…dude head is not in the game. Mark my words, Freeman will have a long career in this league as a BACK-UP quarterback. He is another Jason Campbell. The type coaches love as an insurance policy, but know they cant trust to lead a full season, and will limit the offense in one way or another. Regardless it will be interesting to see how Freeman’s career ends up after he leaves the Bucs this season. I’m over it, let Glennon start and draft a QB in the upcoming draft. Look at the Redskins, there is nothing wrong with having 2 young QBs competing. Next year is a 100% offensive draft for the Bucs

  27. Jordan Says:

    Josh has been the same QB for 8 years, nothing is going to change.Freeman was a 59.1% passer in college and a 58.2% in the NFL(-1.5% regression). Freeman had a TD:Int ratio of 1.29:1 in college and a 1.21:1 ratio in the NFL(-6.2% regression) . Glennon was a 60.43% passer in college. Glennon owned a 2.03:1 td:int ratio in college. What we can see through Josh’s NFL career is that he is just slightly worse now in the NFL than he was in college. If we assume that Glennon will also be just slightly worse in the NFL than he was in college, then Glennon should automatically be better than Josh. Sure, Freemanites will point to hall of famers who have outperformed their mediocre college numbers, but in Josh’s case he has provided us with clear and convincing numbers that show that Josh’s struggles actually date back to 2006 in Kansas.

  28. Old*Skool*BucFan Says:

    All this talk about losing the locker room. If any player on this team is mad Freeman gets pulled after the preseason and first 3 regular season games is full of sh!t. Freemans pass percentage is exactly right, because EVERYTIME he drops back I actually expect an un-accurate pass. And can someone please tell me why Freeman is throwing 30+ yard passes to a 5’8 or so running back with defenders all over him?? LOL, this offense is a joke. Only offense worse than ours is the Jaguars. This might be the worse Ive ever seen a Bucs offense start. So sad considering we have good defense, O-line, and tailback. BTW, if we get down by 10+ points the game is pretty much over with….

  29. buc4lyfe Says:

    @JOE YOUR KIND OF HURTING YOUR OWN ARGUMENT

    DO you really think schiano could be as good as any of those coaches. you have to want to play for the coach. all these coaches you mentioned have a plan OTHER THAN INSTILLING DISCIPLINE. offensive genius or defense intelligence. Can you actually say any of that about schiano? You know nothing about football if you go get a shut down man corner and play him in zone against rookie wideouts….when the year before you played man press with undrafted rookies who didnt know their supposed to put a hand on the wideout first.

    Or how about you have the ability to make adjustments according to the looks your given by the other team, no he installs a gameplan and runs it no matter whether it works or not. it’s insulting to mention schiano in that class of coaches. zone defense isnt working why not change to man or even mix it up….he’s just as vanilla a coach as it come, you cant do anything if you dont have offensive or defensive vision…

    his press conferences vs. mike tomlin…..every week you have to look at the tape? what are you standing on the sideline for?

  30. BigMacAttack Says:

    LightningBuc, I don’t get it. Enlighten me.

    I now know what Schiano said at his presser. I guess I believe him but I don’t have much faith in anything this guy says anymore. The media has hammered the Bucs and Schiano painted a rosey contracting picture. It seems the media was more right than wrong. I believe it may have been a convenient excuse for Schiano to bail last night, sure dad was sick but he boogied pretty quick this am when his family arrived, so it couldn’t have been that serious. I gave Schiano loyalty for 18 mos and I’m done with him. I think he is lying.

  31. BigMacAttack Says:

    Contrasting

  32. Adam L. Says:

    We are now nearing a stretch of futility that is coming close to mirroring the post-Doug Williams era.

  33. lightningbuc Says:

    BigMacAttack,

    Wow! So you’re a doctor now! I’m glad you are able to diagnose Schiano’s dad’s illness as not that serious from 1500 miles away.

  34. JK Says:

    I don’t understand the rock star comment.

  35. MakaveliTheDon Says:

    “Hey Coach, You Suck!!!”

    lol. short & to the point.

    @Glennon, when you start, you better be like Brad Johnson – Throw passes, catch your own passes, and throw a TD to yourself. If you cant do that, you’ll feel the wrath of DUMB TAMPA. even though SMART TAMPA will understand, DUMB TAMPA always finds a way to drown out SMART TAMPA and run good players and coaches out of town.

  36. Rob Says:

    Joe,

    I don’t quite understand your logic. You state that Josh won’t get benched this year, yet he won’t be in Tampa in 2014.

    If he continues to play at this level, you absolutely have to make a change. And with the thought that he won’t be here in 2014, it is pointless to waste reps on a QB who won’t be throwing for the Bucs next year. Let Glennon get some quality game time experience. This provides valuable game tape for evaluation on whether or not he has what it takes to be a starter in this league. This draft’s crop of QB’s is pretty deep and depending on where we pick, we might have a shot at a very talented one.

    I am not on the Glennon train. I want to see Josh succeed so bad. At this point, it is all mental with him. He has been bombarded by the media all off season continuing through the start of the regular season. I think he has all the physical tools to be a successful QB but I just don’t think he has the mental toughness to take hit after hit by everyone lashing out at him. I really do feel for him and think a fresh start may be what he needs.

  37. Buc Neckid Says:

    Sullivan will be gone before Schiano
    Sullivan will even be gone BEFORE Freeman
    This is not Schiano’s offense
    This is not Schiano’s Quarterback
    But Schiano sees Glennon v. Freeman more than we do to know it is not time to make THAT switch.
    Not looking forward to missing the playoffs again with a team that is this talented.
    But that is where we are headed with or without Freeman.

  38. Couch Fan Says:

    Only difference between Russell and Freeman is about 16 draft slots. They are both busts.

  39. Chef Paul Says:

    Let freeman play out the seasn. If Glennon plays, we might win a few and miss out on teddy

  40. Chef Paul Says:

    I went to my first ever NFL game this week against the pats. Honestly, I don’t see why anyone would want to go to a game with this sh!thouse of a team. Traffic for hours. walk for miles. spend 50 bucks just to quench your thirst, never mind actual beer. That’s probably even more. Then go 4 hours without having a smoke. All that sucks. Then during all that shitty time, you have have be miserable watching your team look like a lost little boy in the woods. Then walk for miles again. Then hours of traffic again. No fun at all. I would much rather sit at home and watch this sh!tty team suck with cheap beer and being able to smoke when I want.

    Any way, log story short. I now see why there are so many black outs down there. I wouldn’t waste my hard earned money either on a crappy experience like that if I didn’t have to.

  41. Chef Paul Says:

    I went to my first ever NFL game this week against the pats. Honestly, I don’t see why anyone would want to go to a game with this sh!thouse of a team. Traffic for hours. walk for miles. spend 50 bucks just to quench your thirst, never mind actual beer. That’s probably even more. Then go 4 hours without having a smoke. All that sucks. Then during all that sh!tty time, you have have be miserable watching your team look like a lost little boy in the woods. Then walk for miles again. Then hours of traffic again. No fun at all. I would much rather sit at home and watch this sh!tty team suck with cheap beer and being able to smoke when I want.

    Any way, log story short. I now see why there are so many black outs down there. I wouldn’t waste my hard earned money either on a crappy experience like that if I didn’t have to.

  42. GenocideD Says:

    Good thing we didn’t sign Freeman to a cheap extension right away like Joe and Shawn King suggested we do…

  43. Pelbuc Says:

    BucForce that’s funny! Yeah, JBF and his BFF on 620wdae are major Freepologists. Funny how Freeman can’t thrive, no matter who the coach or OC. Trade him for whatever you can get before the rest of the league realizes he’s totally worthless and give Glennon as many games as possible to determine if can can improve. Hell, the Bucs gave Freeman 5 yrs. why not give Glennon 12 games? BTW, the only stat that counts is Freeman’s W-L record. If the rest of the locker has issues with it, then clearly they could have avoided this mess had they done their job. Gotta love these Buccaneer Men!

  44. MakaveliTheDon Says:

    “Sullivan will be gone before Schiano
    Sullivan will even be gone BEFORE Freeman
    This is not Schiano’s offense
    This is not Schiano’s Quarterback
    But Schiano sees Glennon v. Freeman more than we do to know it is not time to make THAT switch.
    Not looking forward to missing the playoffs again with a team that is this talented.
    But that is where we are headed with or without Freeman.”
    __________________________________________________________

    Sullivan had the 9th ranked offense in th NFL last year.
    A 4000+ yd passer.
    A Top 5 WR, who had his best season of his career.
    A 1000yd WR(fine, 996yd, f u), who earned his big payday.
    A Top 5 RB with over 1,900 apyds

    So what changed? Well last year, we had a TE and slot receiver who combined for about 900 of Freemans 4000 yds.

    We also had a much better WR coach, PJ Fleck, who got the best out of VJ, MW19, Underwood, Clark, and even Martin. Now we have McNulty and a plethora of dropped passes.

    There also was no QB controversy going into 2012. But in the 2013 offseason, someone mentioned how the QB position is up for grabs, while someone else is signing players telling them its all about 5 (55,555,555). So that small subtle jab turned into a tsunami. And its still going. Its been nothing but a distraction, its divided our fanbase, and its rattled our QB when he needed as few distractions as possible during his make or break year. He needed zero drama, and 100% trust (one of Schiano’s “values”).

    Instead, he’s put in a whirlwind of QB controversy talk with the pressure of playing in a contract year. And there is absolute zero trust between him and his coach. (last weeks 3 runs in a row to close out the game)

    ANYWAYS, just a few thoughts on what went wrong. Just my opinion.

  45. MakaveliTheDon Says:

    “Let freeman play out the seasn. If Glennon plays, we might win a few and miss out on teddy”

    so youre really fine with another couple years of rebuilding? molding a rookie QB?

    I say we see what veteran is out there. A top 10 QB. So we can win now. With our surrounding cast, it wont be hard to lure a Big Time QB. Then we can draft a stud TE, and draft heavy on OL & DE.

  46. MakaveliTheDon Says:

    oh yeah. and bring back Chucky!

  47. MakaveliTheDon Says:

    I cant believe Im already talking about 2014. what a shame..

  48. chef paul Says:

    Makaveli,

    I was being facetious. I’m just frustrated and thinking ANYTHING but what we are doing now is better

  49. MakaveliTheDon Says:

    ^^^ got it. I’ve been on this site way too long today. I cant tell whose joking, who the haters are, which Joe is writing which article… smh.

  50. BigMacAttack Says:

    Lightning Buc, you don’t get it. I believe little if anything Schiano says. Now if it was serious, would you leave your pop a few hours later. I don’t need to know the illness because common sense dictates Schiano would have stayed longer. Doesn’t that make sense? Wtf? Do you believe everything anyone says to you?

    Illness is a common excuse that always works. Serious illness lasts longer than several hours. I just don’t believe Schiano . For all I know he was banging some chick. His mind sure didn’t seem to be on the game Sunday.

  51. MakaveliTheDon Says:

    I saw something on Michael Bennett, how he’s already got 2.5 sacks in 3 games and 7 tackles. And his Seahawks are 3-0. Well I did some fckin around on Google, and came up with this GEM of an article from non other than……JoeBucsFan:
    _____________________________________________________________

    Bennett explained why he’s skeptical of New Schiano Order tactics and said he doesn’t believe it’s an ideal method for grown men

    “The coaches are very different. You know, Coach Schiano is more hard-nosed, military-type guy. And Coach Carroll is so laid back, it gives the guys chances to not be on their back but still coach them at the same time,” Bennett said. “Because I think a lot of players, they’re adults, too, and when you treat them like kids they get offended by that. You know what I mean? Because players, you know, they got their mortgages, they got their kids, they got wives, they got family, they got things they can do.

    “So they know it’s their job and they know when they make mistakes. But it’s a coach’s job to keep them honest, you know what I mean. But when a coach is just too much on them, I think the players rebel. Because, you know, they’re going to be like, ’Why is he on me like this? It’s my fifth year in the league. I know more than him.’ Guys are just like, you know, it just becomes a big conflict, I think.”

    None of this surprises Joe. However, Joe is troubled hearing it come from Bennett, who is a very level-headed guy. Bennett also appeared to be the textbook Buccaneer Man under Schiano. He was hard-working, versatile and he played through an injury and took on a tremendous number of snaps.

    Current Buccaneers surely share Bennett’s attitude. But Joe has no problem with that. You don’t have to love your boss. Numerous hard-nosed NFL coaches have achieved greatness, including Tom Coughlin winning two Super Bowls recently. Schiano’s tactics can work. Joe’s more skeptical of Schiano’s ability as a game-day coach. (You can hear the Bennett audio below.)

    http://www.joebucsfan.com/?p=94365
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    @Coach Schiano,

    If youve somehow stumbled across this page, really take a good look at that post, and what Bennett is saying.

    And just assume that every single player thinks this same way. I’m sure that there are some that don’t. But just assume that they ALL do. Then maybe you can re-evaluate your own tactics, do your best to adjust and save this season. There’s still 13 games left.

 
 

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