Pat Kirwan Predicts 6-10 Season, Last Place

August 23rd, 2013

Pat KirwanA premier NFL voice believes the Bucs will regress in 2013, despite the presence of eight Pro Bowl players 30 and younger.

Pat Kirwan, a former Buccaneers scout who coached linebackers alongside Monte Kiffin with the New York Jets, also was a longtime Jets personnel man, a friend of Raheem Morris, and now co-hosts the popular Movin’ The Chains show on SiriusXM NFL Radio. Kirwan’s also seen regularly as an NFL analyst on CBS Sports.

In his leaguewide predictions for CBSSports.com, Kirwan calls a 6-10 record for Tampa Bay, an 8-8 mark for Carolina, 10-6 for the Saints, and a division title at 11-5 for the Falcons.

There’s something about this team that is not in harmony. I like the skills of quarterback Josh Freeman, but he’s as inconsistent now as he was last year. The receiving weapons are there, the running back is dynamic but the line protection is questionable. The defense stopped the run last season, but couldn’t stop the pass. They hope veterans Darrelle Revis, Dashon Goldson and rookie Jonathan Banks can fix their secondary. The coverage will be better, though I’m not convinced the pass rush will be there.

Joe expects 6-10 or 7-9 will be a pretty common final Bucs prognostication by national pundits. Their logic is that the Bucs might be improved but not nearly enough in a very strong conference and division.

Kirwan’s concerns about the pass rush and Josh Freeman are valid, though Joe would argue the Bucs have strong pass protection, though not yet seen in the tiny preseason sample of first-team offense.

Get used to it. The Bucs have a lot of high-profile doubters.

144 Responses to “Pat Kirwan Predicts 6-10 Season, Last Place”

  1. Bucnnole Says:

    As a die hard Bucs fan I have to say this is dead on. The reality is there is no cohesiveness to this team. Bill Sheridan is a terrible coordinator and will not improve this defense. Josh Freeman is a marginal QB, not worthy of leading a team. Too many holes upfront and nothing done in the off season to add to it. Dom should have gone after a Osi, Abraham, or Freeney and now his ignorance will cost him his job. Good bye Dom, don’t let the door hit you on the way out.

  2. Jacko101 Says:

    With No major injuries I predict 10-6 with key injuries I say 8-8

  3. Touchdown Gus Says:

    I love the doubters. It makes it that much better when we win it! One thing everyone seems to forget is that since the NFC south has been put together in 2002 NO ONE HAS WON THE DIVISIN TWO YEARS IN A ROW.

  4. bucrightoff Says:

    Once again its all about Freeman. If he plays like 2010 the Bucs will be going to the playoffs. If he improves on that they will win the division. And if he’s the same guy as the last two years anywhere from 5-11 to 9-7 is in play.

  5. BigSombrero Says:

    After watching the preseason so far, the only argument against this is hope. And I have that. You could write everything off as “it’s just preseason, it doesn’t matter” but the fact is, some of the same issues we had last year have already creeped in this preseason.

    The non existent pass rush.
    The sub par QB play (although we have only seen a handful of passes from Free so far.)
    The defense looking lost when a big play is given up like no one knows who was supposed to do what.
    The ineffective stunts.

    You would hope that those things would have been improved this offseason. So far, they haven’t been. But we will know more after this week.

    If they come out and look like zombies again, mostly lifeless and wandering around the field seemingly without aim, then we can be certain that something is seriously wrong.

  6. KMAC1322 Says:

    “…is as inconsitent now as he was all last year”??? what is he basing that off of?? A few preseason series?? Everything that you have reported in training camp has been that Freeman has been way more accurate and more confident of where he is going to throw the ball.

    Also line protection is questionable? Why because the Patriots ran a bunch of linebacker blitzes in a preseason game and we were sacked 3 times!!?? C’MON man with half of the line we have now they were able to give Freeman plenty of time to throw the ball last year and we had a top 5 running back in the league! These guys can keep hating on the Bucs its only going to feel so much better when we make it to the playoffs!

  7. jb Says:

    After seeing their first two practice games, then Nicks foot problems, then the MERSA plight @ One Buc, I’d say Kirwan is being extremely nice! The team seems to be in somewhat disarray. If this team produces a playoff season, it’ll be nothing short of a miracle!

  8. Scotty in Fat Antonio Says:

    Why is everyone freaking out? It is only the preseason.

  9. KMAC1322 Says:

    they are in disarray because a lineman who didnt even play last year is out again and a kicker!??? haha if that is our worst problem Id say we are looking pretty damn good.

  10. BucDan Says:

    @KMAC1322

    WHAT IS THIS RATIONALE THAT YOU PRODUCE!!!??? How can you actually pay attention to the game???? Pats ran a ton of LB blitzes KNOWING that we were not using our starters on the line. I believe in ‘next man up’ and those guys definitely failed, but it is ridiculous how most of the Bucs fans jump to these conclusions.

    @Big Sombrero

    You make valid points. I can only assume that the reason the majority of our usable starters did not play through the second quarter in 2nd preseason game was the total lack of a starting offensive line. It has looked as if Schiano does not trust that makeshift line with protecting the ‘franchise QB’ and franchise RB.

    Hope is what I have as well, because I am hoping to see a team come together and make a few plays during the majority of the 3rd preseason game tomorrow night.

  11. stevek Says:

    I hope Schiano shows the players’ Kirwan’s take.

    If this is a last place team in the NFC South, then Dominick’s goose is cooked.

    5 year rebuild, and we still can’t get over the provervbial “hump”.

    Now or never, losing/failure is not an option.

    We have been bad enough for long enough, time to turn it around.

    Playoffs or else.

  12. Miguel El Magnifico Says:

    “Get used to it. The Bucs have a lot of high-profile doubters.”

    I sure have earned my “El Magnifico” stripes this year. I was the only person who was able to read through lines last year and predict the “multiple” adderall suspensions. This year I correctly diagnosed the “blister” as a staph infection simply from watching the Little General’s press conference. He’s a bad liar. Nicks is done. Finito!

    I agree with the experts and Bucnnole above. Shaun King was correct when he said the Bucs were “wasting time” with the whole Schiano-Dominick regime.

    On a brighter note, the Bucs are leading the pack as far as the Jadaveon Clowney Project (JCP) is concerned. What would really help is for the Glazer Family to hold a press conference declaring a “VOTE OF CONFIDENCE” for the Little General.

  13. bucfanjeff Says:

    New Orleans and the Panthers just don’t impress me. Defense in particular for the Saints, both sides of the ball for the Panthers. Atlanta’s offense is pretty strong but their defense has been the Achilles heel for them, though descent – and we usually match up well.

    Truth is, you can’t tell sh!t about preseason for anyone and our season will probably be in line with how we come out of the starting gates over 4 games or so.

  14. TrueBlue Says:

    KMAC has it right. How would Kirwan, or anyone else out side the coaching staff and players, have any reasonable idea how consistent or accurate Freeman is this year? Wouldn’t it be wise to watch a few actual games before saying things you can’t yet know.

    Maybe he should have said he’s not convinced Freeman will be consistent. He has a right to his opinion. But to say he’s not consistent without any evidence to support it is just misrepresentation.

    The Bucs are more likely to win the division than come in in last place – barring key injuries. But injury possibilities are the same for every team.

    My guess it Kirwan and a whole lot more doubters are going to have short memories in a few weeks. But let’s play some games before we make statements of how someone is playing.

  15. Mulligan Says:

    Who cares what any talking head has to say. They have ratings they have to achieve and their opinion counts no more than any else. He could be absolutely right and he could be way off base. I’m tired of the talk and just can’t wait until it gets kicked off in NY and we can finally see what we do have.

  16. BirdDoggers Says:

    The biggest worry is the defense, as most have stated. The pass rush is a big question mark and Sheridan hasn’t proven that he’s the play caller for the job. 6 wins would certainly be a disappointment with this roster. Anything can happen. Teams that are touted as world beaters will falter and teams like the Bucs will surprise. It happens every year.

  17. bucfanjeff Says:

    Let’s face it, without Drew Brees the Saints suck.
    Our defense will get better over a few games as the new guys learn each other.

    Frankly, regarding Saturday night, if our OL can’t pass pro, sit Freeman down.

  18. loung Says:

    i am so fuc*ing tire all this due picks about the buccaneers …… i am been tell you .. you can!t pick your owe nose …. how much coach morris pay you .for you hate ??????

    @loung – Lets back off the F-bombs. That’s why your posts go to spam. –Joe

  19. Sneedy16 Says:

    I love the doubt.

  20. Yusef Says:

    “the Bucs have strong pass protection, though not yet seen in the tiny preseason sample of first-team offense” -Joe

    we have not seen any kind of sample of the bucs o-line with the starters..Davin hasn’t played,Nicks isn’t there, he will soon it sounds like, so yeah potential starters have played but we have yet to see the “FINAL o-line product what will be out there on day 1, nobody really knows yet… Not a sample in my mind, If Davin is in there at least, i might agree with you about a sample, but that’s not the cause thus far, we shall see if he plays Saturday with the first team and see how things fair with him in mix..Hoping for the best…

    GO BUCS!!!!!!!!!

  21. BucsfaninChina Says:

    Some fans yall are.

    And the panthers and falcons looked like cohesive units? Get the f outta here. Panthers offense will not be putting points on the board this yr and the falcons d looks like a division 2 school. No “analyst” is going ti be sticking out their neck and saying the Bucs have a shot bc there is no big name to rally around, they dont want to piss off their viewership which has larger number of fans of our divisional opponents, and the Bucs have no winning tradition as of late. Bucs have their weaknesses, but i see no team being the clear cut leader in this division

    Every single year these guys spout what their viewership wants to hear, and every year there are sleeper teams that “nobody saw coming”. Let the talkers talk and watch the bucs take over the NFC South

  22. Adam L. Says:

    I don’t disagree… they look sloppy, unpolished, and they’re riddled with disease.

    Success rides on a lot of “I hope _____ happens.” Hope isn’t a plan.

  23. YourMom Says:

    Freeman sucks. Our pass rush sucks. Our schedule is very tough. 6 to 8 wins sounds right.

  24. stevek Says:

    BucsfaninChina,

    The Bucs were 7-9 last year, as were the Saints and Panthers.

    We are all even, and hopefully better this year.

    5th year in a rebuild should yield results.

  25. Buc4lyfe Says:

    you guys suck….when the bucs had a garbage defense last year people were calling in talking about playoffs all last year, they fixed the back end…so what we lost bennett, 9 sacks in a contract year but all he had was six total since being a buc. last year they said all this experience our o line is getting will help next year when they come back but all of a sudden we have o line issues even though we added carimi. josh freeman is inconsistent but my god again the #1 offense the saints still went 7-9…so what makes them think saints will go 10-6 with that horrible defense….i think they think their gonna win both games against bucs and panthers…patriots got beat to death last night but no ones worried about them having rookies but this one player brady went down that would be the end of their season…if josh freeman went down how much would we fall off?

  26. grif4foozball Says:

    ^^^^What YourMom said.

  27. Sneedy16 Says:

    I really want to see how he came up with this. Who beat who in his breakdown of the win loss records. It looks like he just threw a bunch of random numbers of wins and losses out there for each division.

  28. Tim Says:

    Gotta love the haters and all the pretend Buc fans, true fans are optimistic at the beginning of every and then as the year goes along you diagnose the team. Anyone bashing on Josh or any other player / coach at this point is simply hating. Go back to NY or Boston or what ever armpit you came from.

  29. Mean D Says:

    We will win more games if we go ahead and start Glennon.

  30. Bucs Will Win NFCS Says:

    11 wins will not win this division. I think Atlanta is the biggest threat to the Bucs because there always good in the regular season but disappear in the post season. I’m not sold on the Saints and don’t think Sean Payton is coming in after missing a year and righting the ship right away. I don’t care if they have Drew Brees or not. Carolina has the potential to have a better than average defense but I don’t see Cam Newton mature enough to carry their offense which he will have to do in order to win games. I see the Saints and Panthers at best 8-8 and think who ever reaches 12 wins between Atlanta and Tampa wins the division. The Bucs have the talent and potential to reach 12 wins this season bearing injuries and can’t see how they don’t finish at least 10-6 at worst.

  31. Couch Fan Says:

    Gotta love the optimists who think there opinion is all that matters and they are the judge and jury on who is and isnt a Bucs fan… and they apparently also wrote the definition of what a “real fan” is. Lol

    Anyways 6-10 seems realistic considering all the questions marks, the overall play of what we’ve seen so far and from the past.

  32. bucsdeluge Says:

    Let’s face it, predictions are like a_ _ holes, everybody’s has one. Kirwins analysis and opinion is no better or more accurate than any one of us. Yes he has knowledge of some of the inner workings of a professional organization, but you don’t have to be a weatherman to tell someone how it rains. We as fans study the game and learn a lot over the years, and can make our own educated opinions. Predictions are stupid, and mostly inaccurate. They are meerly a subject for topic in the media. If you remember, our Superbowl team was never considered as a contender, especially with Brad as our qb and a bunch of 1yr makeshift veterans.

    Let the season start and play out, then let’s see where we are at the end. Nobody knows, nobody…I think we have a great team with more talent than we have ever seen. We have just as much of a chance as anyone else in the league.

    GO BUCS

  33. Eric Says:

    Sounds too optimistic.

  34. Architek Says:

    7-9 or 9-7

    Based on concerns for pass rush and Feeeman issues.

  35. JC De La Torre Says:

    Last season Kirwan had the Bucs at 3-13, Minnesota and Indianapolis at 2-14. Nostradamus he’s not.

  36. BigSombrero Says:

    I will say 6-10 isn’t unrealistic at all. I personally believed we would win 10 before this preseason.

    Again, you can say it’s just preseason all you want and I agree, the score doesn’t matter in the least bit. But the performance does.

    Some positives I have seen. Spence, Banks, GMC, Ogletree, Leonard, Gorrer, David.

    Some negatives. Well the same things we had last season really. Miscommunication between Free and his wideouts. Miscommunication between the back 7 on defense. Complete lack of a pass rush. Ineffective stunts. I hoped those things would be improved during the offseason and maybe they have. But from the two preseason games so far, they aren’t any different.

    We have a tough schedule this season, while im not high on either the Saints or the Panthers, its still going to be a tough road for us this year. We have the talent to do it but so far, the execution has been lacking which is only worrisome because it was the same stuff last year.

    Cry foul all you want but 6-10 finish isn’t anymore crazy than winning the division based on the actual facts and what we have seen.

  37. bob Says:

    10-6 6-10……seems like it could go either way to me . kind of why they play these games on the feild if freeman is good all year and somehow our d holds up we 10-6, i am not sure that gets a playoff spot.

  38. Vic Says:

    6-10 earns Greg Schiano the hook. Sorry, but we can’t keep losing and losing and losing and losing and have next year always be the goal.

  39. BucoBruce Says:

    11-5 and playoff bound.Glennon will lead us to playoffs!!!!!!!!!!!

  40. Couch Fan Says:

    Lol Why not? stranger things have happened..

  41. Patrick Says:

    I can’t blame Kirwan for his prediction. The Bucs constantly never have their sh*t together year after year.

  42. SteveK Says:

    I hope Nicks can resume his career. It would be a complete and utter tragedy if the man beast is forced to retire. I hope we can overcome this. Our starters better come out swinging against the Phins. The last thing I want to see is our D-Line and Freeman get out played by the Phins’ D-Line and Tannehill. I M really looking to see Freeman outplay Tannehill, our QB must be further developed by now.

    Welcome back Miguel, you funny azzhole, you. JBF is better with you commenting.

    Cap’n Tim, where the eff are you? The new boat still treating you good?

  43. SteveK Says:

    Vic, Schiano’s leash is twice as long as Dominick’s and thre times as long as Freeman’s.

    6-10, and we may have to blow this whole mother fukker up!?

  44. BuccaneerBonzai Says:

    Bucnnole Says
    “As a die hard Bucs fan I have to say this is dead on.”

    I have no reason to question your fandom, but I do strongly disagree with you.

    However, saying the reasons are pointless. Even when backed up with facts. Because no one will believe the Bucs will be good until the ARE good.

    Even then, there are some who will be waiting for the first loss, the first pick, the first incompletion, the first overthrown ball. I’m not including you with this bunch, I’m just saying they are out there. Instead of rooting for the team to do well, they wait for the team to fail in some way so they can type “I told you so…”

  45. Buc4lyfe Says:

    bottom line theres always one surprise team every year…pat kirwin’s opinion is worthless and all the media really know are the big market teams which is why the jets were so god awful but dominating the headlines…wonder why he got so much attention last year, got almost none this year for patriots. seems to me like almost every playoff team took a hit, falcons to cheap to pay clabo so their o line is nowhere near as good as ours, saints changed their entire scheme…good luck with that cuz i still have nightmares about the jim bates experiment. denver took hits, san fran lost crabtree, seattle is a home team winner, christian ponder hello, green bay o line..seriously who doesnt have question marks. you play the game to win, to much panic for the small sample we’ve seen, so if anything we havent seen anything this year so we should be optimistic….hope for the best but plan for the worst, this year i dont think ill have to drink about my anger and depression every week when we play…tired of being shocked when we make a big play or int, who’s gonna bring us back to the good ol days? david, clayborn, mccoy, revis, goldson, barron…got to admit that if were ever gonna turn it around its gotta be this year

  46. SteveK Says:

    With the rule changes, the best QBs are getting to the playoffs.

    We need better QB play. It is the most efficient upgrade any team can make.

    I don’t want the 21st best QB as my starter. Might as well roll the dice and keep plugging guys in there, until you get a winner.

    2014 might. E our year to make some noise. This year is question mark.

  47. Adam L. Says:

    I don’t understand how, if you are not predicting an outright Super Bowl victory, that you are not considered a real fan.

    You can support your team and have NO expectations. Hell, I’ve been a METS fan since I was a little kid. If anyone knows about NO EXPECTATIONS it’s me.

  48. Madmax Says:

    @Couch, haha, those two or three are entertaining huh?

    Here’s my thoughts…Unless Free does a 180 from what Ive seen so far, we’re going to start playing Glennon maybe around week 4 to 6. As long as the D stays healthy and Revis isnt rode too hard in the first 4 games, and he comes out strong afterwards, we should have a very successful secondary.

    The stunts on the D line are perplexing when we have the strength of Spence and the rush skills of McCoy, but I dont call the the plays… they know what they’re doing more than me, so I’ll trust them.

    Our WR and RB core can be beastly with the right play calls and a QB and O-line with quality execution.

    I was saying 11 wins a while back, but I’ll tone it down to 8 unless Freeman somehow manages to show his good side more than his awful side, then I predict 10 wins. But if he stinks it up and we go to Glennon, and if Glennon keeps progressing and has some protection, I’ll say 9 wins. He REALLY needs these preseason reps!

    Im feeling 9 wins….and its a tough schedule.

  49. Buc4lyfe Says:

    but then again if you see what these ref’s were calling hitting a defenseless receiver how much will defense matter this year, gotta wait until the guy catches the ball before you hit him now so they are making it to where you have to outscore the other team to win it seems….so if we have any questions that would be one, can we outscore playoff teams so far the answer is no and josh freeman inconsistency is a big reason why

  50. BuccaneerBonzai Says:

    BigSombrero Says:
    “Again, you can say it’s just preseason all you want and I agree, the score doesn’t matter in the least bit. But the performance does.”

    There have been teams that lost all their games in preseason and ended up in the championship game. So the preseason does not help predict the outcome of a season at all.

    That said, it does help provide glimpses of new players and help evaluate them. It helps rookies get game experience. And it provides opportunities.

    However, just because a players does badly in preseason it doesn’t mean he will in regular season. Or if they do good in preseason it doesn’t mean they’ll be good in regular season.

    Consider Earnest Graham. For years he was Mr. August. He did horrible until his last two years in the regular season.

    Paris Warren came back from injury, looked good in preseason and sucked in regular.

    All preseason is good for is auditions and technique teaching. Everything else is hush-hush.

    This saturday Josh Freeman and the starters (many of them) will be in for a full half. But the playbooks will still be limited. Freeman likely will not be permitted to run and risk injury until the regular season.

    There will likely be a lot of substitutions to keep the starters fresh.

    It’s the same every year, but people are always surprised.

  51. SteveK Says:

    Bonzai,

    Do you expect the Bucs to make the playoffs in 2013?

    If, no, than why is it ok to fail? Are you less of a fan for being ok with failure?

    Some fans are competitive people and want the best our of our team.

  52. LUVMYBUCS Says:

    I’m excited about this season, so much the whole family is on the road this year. The best we could do with everyone’s schedule so far.

    We just got our tickets for the Atlanta away game (Lower Sideline 131
    Row 28) and the Seahawks away game (Upper Level Corner 316)

    My boys will secure the Monday nite & San Francisco games next week, and where set for the season gentlemen.

    I’m predicting *11-5 season, even though I have my concerns as well. Both guard spots look a little shaky, but maybe C/G Cody Wallace or G Adam Smith can unseat Ted Larsen. (Outside of that Waiver Wire or Trade)

    Concerned about quality of some the stunt packages

    Concerned about Ahmad Black inclusion into ANY package.

    I’ve got a lot of respect for Mr. Mark Dominik for carving out niche for himself, and rising up through the ranks of the organization. He’s presented himself as a capable leader. But he’s made me question his decision making a few times. So this year is critical in my view of him.

    GO BUCS!!!!

  53. BuccaneerBonzai Says:

    SteveK
    I believe the Bucs will make it to the AFC championship game at the very least. Do I demand it? No. Even if we do not make the playoffs, I won’t blame Freeman unless it really is his fault. If he does well, keeps picks low and such, clearly it would be the team as a whole that failed.

    But really, I spend my money either way.

  54. Splengo Says:

    This is a 12-4 team with a 6-10 coach. Wait and see.

  55. Madmax Says:

    Hey @Bonzai…..AFC Championship game? I hope that was a vodka induced brain fart like somebody else here who sauces up a little too much LOL!!!!

  56. Madmax Says:

    HOLY JIT!!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

  57. Madmax Says:

    COME ON MAN!!!

  58. LUVMYBUCS Says:

    @ Madmax

    Yeah we all have our moments. Hahahaha!

  59. Paul Says:

    He proved he’s gone senile last year with the 3-13 prediction http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/story/19640313/nfl-season-projections-who-rises-and-who-falls-in-2012

  60. Paul Says:

    he won’t eat crow when he’s wrong either, just put out another ridiculous prediction…

  61. Madmax Says:

    ;) YUP!

  62. BuccaneerBonzai Says:

    Madmax Says
    “Hey @Bonzai…..AFC Championship game? I hope that was a vodka induced brain fart like somebody else here who sauces up a little too much LOL!!!!”

    Nope. I guess we’ll have to watch and see, won’t we. I will never apologize for having hope.

  63. chris Says:

    As Shaun King said the other day, both our pass rush and secondary stunk last year. We didn’;t improve the pass rush but improved the secondary. Adding to the secondary means nothing if you cant put heat on the QB and we havent in 5 years.

    We lack a pass rush, depth at key positions (front 7).

    Josh Freeman is a roller coaster. The schedule is tough. Carolina is improved. New Orleans gets Payton Back. Atlanta is still Atlanta. You got Dallas, NYG, and Washington. We were swept by the East last year. Arizona is improved. St. Louis is improved. Niners and Seahawks are in a different ball park.

    I can see 10-6, but I can also see 6-10. To be fair, we really didn’t beat anyone good last year.

  64. chris Says:

    Thing is, Sheridan is the coordinator, but it;s schianos scheme. Schiano’s defensive scheme calls for these stunts. Sheridan is a horrid coordinator, yes. But this team needs to limit the stunts. We run too many.

  65. loung Says:

    hey . tell MR NFL inside >>KIRWAN kiss buccaneers ring be for he pick the BUCCANEERS … falcon never win super bowl …

  66. Madmax Says:

    @Bonzai….love your hope….I hope you get this….we’ll never play for the AFC Championship ;) (God please let him get it)

  67. Bucfan#37 Says:

    I choose to remain ever optimistic about the Bucs upcoming season. I think they will do well and can’t wait for it to begin. I liked the original Tampa stadium, used to get in for 5 dollars or less buying from people outside the stadium. I’m a native, 63 years old and always a Bucs fan. Go Bucs

  68. SteveK Says:

    NFC NFC NFC NFC

    Bucs are in the NFC!

  69. Madmax Says:

    I hear smells and taste sounds…..(Im going to h3ll for that one)

  70. Madmax Says:

    “””””””BLURRED LINES””””” Jamming to it now….how fitting! ROFLMAO!!!

  71. SteveK Says:

    Go Bucs!

    Playoff drought should end this year.

    We are due. It has been too damn long.

  72. Illuminati Says:

    Boy, that Pat Kirwan sure does go out on a limb and make some bold predictions.

    He has 10 teams finishing with the exact same number of wins as last year. He has 29 teams finishing within two wins of where they finished last year. So, he expects three teams to do significantly better than last year, and none to do significantly worse.

    As for the playoffs, he has 10 of the 12 teams that made it last year repeating again this season. The only difference is he has the Steelers making it this year instead of the colts in the AFC, and the Saints making it instead of the Vikings in the NFC.

    Even the most casual fan knows there is seldom that kind of league-wide consistency one year to the next.

    Way to live life on the hairy edge, Kirwan!

  73. kh Says:

    Kirwan is a chump, and hasn’t worked in the NFL for close to 20 years now. His predictions are useless as pointed out above.

  74. Drew Says:

    I don’t place a lot of merit in what the analysts say. All that matters is the record at the end of the season. There are just to many variables to predict a win-loss record. All we can hope for is a successful season and a playoff run.

  75. Fritz50 Says:

    “Vic says
    6-10 earns Greg Schiano the hook. Sorry, but we can’t keep losing and losing and losing and losing and have next year always be the goal.”

    I’ve seen what a coaching carousel looks like. McKay then Leeman Bennett, Run Run Ray, Richard Williamson, and Sam Wyche, all before we got some stability with father Dungy. Also, for those saying they just want to get to the playoffs, how satisfying were the last 4 Gruden years, 1 & done, 3 out of 4 years, & then that oh so wonderful collapse to get him fired. Current crew may fail, but I’m prepared to give them 1 or2 beyond this year, we’ll see, I suppose.

  76. Madmax Says:

    @Bonzai, that was a good one man :)
    Laugh at it with us buddy…hahaha, its all good Bro!

    “If you cant hear what Im trying to say”
    “If you cant read from the same page”
    “Maybe Im going deaf”
    “Maybe Im going blind”
    “Maybe Im out of my mind”

    “HEY! HEY! HEY!”
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yyDUC1LUXSU

  77. SeanyMac in SC Says:

    @MadMax…check your gmail. I’m sure he knows the Bucs play in the NFC and not the AFC. I’ve made enough typos myself. It is funny tho.

    @ Illuminati, you are spot on about Kirwan! Very daring and bold predictions. What a joke?

    I pray the Bucs show something encouraging from the 1′s on Saturday night.

  78. chris Says:

    I dont listen to the analysts either, but from watching this team last year and certain areas (dpeth and pass rush) hasn’t really imrpoved. Andf you have a wildly inconsistent QB, it’s a recipe for either a good or bad year. to me, it’s a toss up.

    This team CAN be 10-6 or 11-5. But this team also could be worse. To me, the depth wasn’t addressed and certain positions, we’re really relying on inexperienced rookies. We shopuld have signed Roy Miller, for how little he was signed for in Jacksonville. We should have signed a guy who can actually back up and play McCoys position. Richard Seymour is still out there too. He can play next to and play McCoys position. To me, the best dlines are the ones who have a good rotation. Geno Atkins didn’t play nearly as many snaps as McCoy did. Gotta keep them fresh because they’re prone to injury and being worn down. Should have resigned Michael Bennet for 1 year 5 million whil;e rookies Means and Gholston develop behind him.

  79. Buc1987 Says:

    “I like the skills of quarterback Josh Freeman, but he’s as inconsistent now as he was last year.”–Kirwan

    The season has not even started yet. How does one make such a statement without seeing Josh play a regular season game yet? I’ve heard of Kirwan, many people have. That’s just a dumb ass statement though. Whatever. Time to prove all these fools that they are wrong again. Just like they are EVERY year.

    Oh this is the same Pat Kirwan that predicted the Eagles will go 10-6 in 2012
    The same Pat Kirwan that predicted a 3-13 finish for the Bucs in 2012
    Also had the Vikings at 4-12 in 2012
    The Lions he had at 10-6 in 2012
    I could post many more that are way off, but why bother?

    Let’s have everyone jump ship off what another foolish analyst says. You people have google. Go check out many predictions he’s gotten not only wrong but VERY wrong in seasons past. Just like all the other analysts have been in the past. Such foolishness.

    Ya see Joe that’s what you forgot to add to your article. Kirwan is usually dead wrong.

  80. Madmax Says:

    @SeanyMac, I havent checked it for quite a while….getting to it now :)

  81. LUVMYBUCS Says:

    HEY HEY HEY….See now ya’ll in got me started good lawd

  82. LUVMYBUCS Says:

    Preach 1987..Its Friday gentlemen…

  83. Buc1987 Says:

    I had the Bucs at 11-5 or 10-6. I’ll settle for 9-7 though. Atlanta and N.O. still don’t scare me. They scare the hell out of Joe though. He’s told me so himself.

    Buc1987
    “If you are not concerned about the Dixie Chicks or Drew Brees, then you are naive or stupid or both. Atlanta may be the best team in the NFL. For Joe — or anyone — to suggest Atlanta and New Orleans are joke teams and are easy wins is at best intellectually dishonest and frankly, just plain stupid.” – Joe

    I never said easy wins though, just said they don’t scare me at all. Yes people I have a vault of saved quotes from many of you including our buddy Joe himself.
    Ha, can’t wait to be proven right…again!

  84. LUVMYBUCS Says:

    Remind me of a song Marvin Gaye made a some years back called – “Got To Give It Up”https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LeLjT4nrUTQ
    What you know about that..Hahahahaha

  85. SteveK Says:

    1987,

    I like your optimism. Prickly Pat Kirwan will hopefully be dead wrong.

    I hope this team comes out and looks like monsters on Saturday against the Dolphins.

    Our D vs. Miami D

    Freeman vs. Tannehill

    We need to win those battles.

  86. Jbyrd Says:

    Why are all of CBS’s “analysts” the worst in the business? They’re NFL coverage budget must be pretty low. This fool and Prisco is the biggest hack working today.

  87. chris Says:

    ^^^^I think the funniest analyisis of the Bucs: Pete Prisco. He defends Josh Freeman as an all world Franchise QB. But he has the Bucs at 6-10 and last in the south as well. To me, him preaching Freeman, means what if you have a 6=10 record prediction?

    LOL

  88. Oahubuc Says:

    The Freeman crowd is unreachable. All you need to do is look at the dude’s eyes between plays. It’s all there. He was melting down a couple of snaps into the second preseason game.

    I think the jury’s out on the pass rush right now, but Freeman is in midseason form, which is bewildered and snakebit.

  89. Andrew 1 Says:

    @ chris

    was just thinking the same thing. I vaguely remember him throwing us that praise a while back. talk about not making any sense.

  90. SteveK Says:

    Oahubuc,

    I hope Freeman has it all figured out this year. I think he an put it together much like he did 3 years ago.

    This is is second year in the system, and there are no more excuses.

    56 career starts, time to show you know your sh!t.

    If Freeman appears to be overmatched, or too streaky, then pull him in favor of Glennon. If he stinks it up too, then just pray you get to pick Clowney.

  91. adamant Says:

    Pat Kirwan doesn’t know s**t

  92. Madmax Says:

    @Oahubuc…Unfortunate isnt it?

    Nice perspective!

  93. Buc1987 Says:

    I trust in Schiano more than I trust anyone on JBF or anyone at CBS, when it comes to Freeman. Call it unreachable. Call it what you want. The only analyst I listen to is named Greg Schiano.

  94. Andrew 1 Says:

    then again, does anyone remember the last time the national media consensus predicted us to have a successful season? every season the consensus around the national media is one of a losing season for us. screw them and their fascination with teams like the cowboys. the more they predict a great season from the cowboys every year, the more they look like fools. look people, you cant take much stock into any kind of prediction surrounding this team, or any other team for that matter. more than anything its just a guess.

  95. chris Says:

    To me, Josh doesn’t have that IT factor. By ALL MEANS, I HOPE HE PROVES ME WRONG!. But, in the end, you cannot develop the “IT” factor. You have it or you don’t . Omaha, you nailed it. You can just see it in Freeman’s eyes. He looks rattled and scared and indecisive.

  96. Iamabuc Says:

    Don’t believe this ignorant (PK) who’s wrong every year. The way I see it, it’s all smoke screen (the preseason games), (don’t tell anybody), the Bucs are gonna show up, regardless, just wait for it, be patient, I trust Schiano, this guy knows a lot, and I don’t see us failing that bad. Trust; Bucs fans, Trust!!! Like I said before, this is the Year the Tampa Bay Buccaneers will raid the NFL!!!

  97. Andrew 1 Says:

    even our local media has their share of faults. I was watching a local pregame show before the patriots game and one of the analyst had the nerve to predict that Glennon would be starting by mid season becasue, get this, “Freeman hasn’t been injured in a while so he is due for a season ending injury by mid season.” I paraphrased only slightly, but are you fuking kidding me!!! they are a”predicting” injuries now!!! that was probably one of the most absurd things I have ever heard in my entire life.

  98. Capt. Tim Says:

    SteveK- thanks for the shout out!

    This one is easy.
    Last year. Without Joseph and Nicks. And with the most Gadawful secondary I have had the misfortune to see, we went 7-9.

    And looked really good for the first half of the season.

    Revis, Banks, Goldson will GREATLY improve that secondary. An incredible difference.

    We will get to see Joseph and Nicks.

    That gets you 9 wins. We won’t overtake the Wretched Dixie Chickens, IMO.
    Our young d-line still needs a year or two to learn their posistions.
    We need A TE. We need depth

    But the pieces are in place. We need to give them a year to jell.
    But would I be happy with a winning record, and a playoff race in December??

    Damn straight I would!! I’ll be sitting in the stands, guzzling beer, wolfing down hot dogs and nachos- and thinking how great it is to watch winning football in the Ray Jay!!

    I’m just happy that Dom got over his “thug love”, and brought in some real CBs!!! I thought I wasn’t gonna live long enough to see THAT!!

  99. Andrew 1 Says:

    when I heard that I wanted the chick sitting next to him to just slap him across the face.

  100. Capt. Tim Says:

    SteveK- thanks for the shout out!

    This one is easy.
    Last year. Without Joseph and Nicks. And with the most Gadawful secondary I have had the misfortune to see, we went 7-9.

    And looked really good for the first half of the season.

    Revis, Banks, Goldson will GREATLY improve that secondary. An incredible difference.

    We will get to see Joseph and Nicks.

    That gets you 9 wins. We won’t overtake the Wretched Dixie Chickens, IMO.
    Our young d-line still needs a year or two to learn their posistions.
    We need A TE. We need depth

    But the pieces are in place. We need to give them a year to jell.
    But would I be happy with a winning record, and a playoff race in December??

    Damn straight I would!! I’ll be sitting in the stands, guzzling beer, wolfing down hot dogs and nachos- and thinking how great it is to watch winning football in the Ray Jay!!

    I’m just happy that Dom got over his “thug love”, and brought in some real CBs!!! I thought I wasn’t gonna live long enough to see THAT!!

    I don’t know what I’m gonna bitch about next spring! And that’s a good sign

  101. Capt. Tim Says:

    Thanks for the shout out, SteveK

    I can’t get it to post my comments anymore.
    Dunno why

  102. Jeff Says:

    I PREDICT 5-11 AND 7 BLACKOUTS

  103. Buc1987 Says:

    I see many negative Buc fans. Hmmmm not on JBF. That never happens!

  104. SteveK Says:

    I see a 5 year rebuild.

    Playoffs, what is that?

  105. BigSombrero Says:

    You see negative, I see people without their head in the clouds. But I have no issue with people ignoring facts and thinking we will go undefeated on our way to our Super Bowl. More power to you, but don’t call my fandom into question because I am willing to acknowledge the very real issues we face.

  106. BucsQcCity Says:

    I think we’ll be fine. If Bowers don’t produce I believe in Te’o. Akeem Spence and casillas are better than expected. Hope Barron can get it’s groove back.

    They just need to be prepared for all blitz by the opposing defense and Freeman needs to run with the ball.

    9-7 if joseph, revis, clayborn can stay healthy. I dob’t believe nicks will get back on the field

  107. Miguel El Magnifico Says:

    I used to brag about the Bucs to all my friends up north. I was sure we were on our way to the Super Bowl every year. I would bet 100′s of dollars every year and lose.

    I was sure Booker Reese was the missing link or that Bo Jackson would be a perennial All Pro. I knew Culverhouse would lock up Doug Williams long term and we would play in our 1st Super Bowl at home in the Big Sombrero, but with age, comes experience.

    Someone should make a song about the Bucs in the style of Billy Joel’s “We didn’t start the fire.” Maybe, if I have time I will.

    Thanks for the shout out Stevek, I was always reading the articles although not commenting.

  108. Buc1987 Says:

    Article per Roy Cummings when questioning Freeman about Tarkenton’s comments.

    Schiano did not express concern, saying Freeman’s struggles were largely the result of personnel groupings and play designs that would not be used during the regular season.

    But Freeman sees it a little differently.

    “Any time you have negative football plays or don’t convert on third down, it’s frustrating,” Freeman said. “You go out there with a goal in mind and you want to see it through.

    “Sure, it’s the preseason. And, no, it does not count. But to us it still matters. I know at New England on the sidelines everyone was frustrated. We wanted to sustain something and get a drive going.”

    Freeman, meanwhile, said the perception would have been different had he done a better job of avoiding at least one of the sacks.

    “Procedurally, as far as getting everyone lined up and that kind of stuff, we were spot on,” Freeman said. “But I think it was the sack where the guy went up under (left tackle) Donald (Penn), if I can find a way to step back and kick that one out to the back or something, it would have been nice. But, really, it’s hard to (evaluate) when you played, what, eight snaps and you throw three passes. It’s really a glorified practice almost.”

    Nothing Freeman has done in his four NFL seasons was glorified by Tarkenton. Even if it had been, Freeman probably wouldn’t have heard it. His father has urged him to steer clear of favorable commentary, too.

    “He said you can’t let anybody pollute your thought process, pollute your mind, tell you your great or your awful, either way,” Freeman said. “In college it was the same way.

    “And it’s funny, really, because a lot of times I really don’t know that anything is going on until my family calls up and says, ‘Hey, don’t listen to them.’ So, I really have no idea what’s going on. You just have to focus on what you can control and don’t waver for anything or anybody. You know who you are and what your team is and so you just go out and do it.”

  109. Buc1987 Says:

    Sorry the article opened with this and forgot to post it.

    Tampa Bay Buccaneers quarterback Josh Freeman was still in high school when his father, Ron, first warned him to steer clear of anything that had the potential to poison his thought process as a football player.

    It appears Freeman has not forgotten that lesson.

    Though he is well aware of some of the “huge” things going on in the world, Freeman claims to be oblivious to most of the criticism directed at him since the preseason started three weeks ago — including the shot heard ’round Tampa Bay fired by Hall of Fame quarterback Fran Tarkenton.

  110. BuccaneerBonzai Says:

    Madmax
    I didn’t even notice I put afc instead of nfc, lol.

  111. SteveK Says:

    Bonzai,

    It was the laugh of the day. :)

    Thanks!

    Go Bucs!

    Who is our starting SLB, TE and K?

  112. Buc1987 Says:

    He also said this : “Obviously, Fran Tarkenton and his career speaks for itself. He is a Hall of Famer,” said Josh Freeman. “But the important thing is people in this building — coaches, teammates — they have faith and they know who I am as a player.”

    Which is the whole reason why I posted what he said. I agree with him when he says “the important thing is people in this building — coaches, teammates — they have faith and they know who I am as a player.”

    That’s the only analysts that I care about his coaches. I don’t think Schiano is a sugar coater. Maybe some of you see him that way. Meh it’s just my opinion though.

  113. Buc1987 Says:

    “Omaha, you nailed it. You can just see it in Freeman’s eyes. He looks rattled and scared and indecisive.”
    “All you need to do is look at the dude’s eyes between plays. It’s all there. He was melting down a couple of snaps into the second preseason game.”
    “but Freeman is in midseason form, which is bewildered and snakebit.”
    “Oahubuc…Unfortunate isnt it?
    Nice perspective!”

    Gee Wally I wonder if Schiano and Dom see it too? If not they both need to be fired immediately! Sometimes it’s downright laughable. I guess I’m just unreachable, because I only listen to Schiano and not the experts on JBF.

  114. BigMacAttack Says:

    13-3.
    Smoke-em if you got em babe.

  115. Pete 422 Says:

    Just waiting for the Jets game. I’m tired of the talk. Lets play some ball.

  116. Eric Says:

    One and done to plain old done.

  117. SacBucs Says:

    Wassup miguel im glad your back ol timer.. You where right I was pissed when I seen these fudger tryna run you outof town.

    They are not man and woman enough to say you werr right but your were.

    Man up and apolygize! You know who you are!

    Know it alls.

  118. Buccaray Says:

    1. Lets all take a deep breath and watch Freeman work for the 1st time out of an offense that’s not being completely changed from the prior year. And just maybe the incredible weapons around him (Jackson, Martin, Williams) might somehow have a slight impact as well? Just a thought..

    2. Clayborn is going to have a monster 3rd year break out..ala Sapp, McFarlene, Brooks, Lynch, Barber, etc, etc. Lined up with McFarlene, AC is your 10+ sack man, so stop fretting about the pass rush & Bowers. (I’m assuming at least a few of you remember the domination of Sapp & Rice playing along with whoever else they stuck next to them)

    3. Madmax & Bonzai: please consider sharing some of your green goodies with BigMeatheado…Dude, cheer up. You’re missing a whole lot of upside to this season, and I haven’t even mentioned Revis, David, or Goldson yet.

    4. LUVMYBUCS : could you please provide some more detail on your seat locations for this season, riveting stuff..!!

    5. Your 2013 Bucs go 10-6 with a wild card playoff birth. Book it.

  119. Buc1987 Says:

    OMG you guys are providing me with a whole shyte load of stuff to add to my documents. I have so many of your predictions and your silly reasons why. Again I won’t name names but it’s the usual suspects. Good job. This should be fun to see who’s right and who’s wrong eh? Also who’s going to look like a total moron for their “opinions”. Hell I’ve already stated that I think 1/2 of the Bucs fan base are idiots many times before. I’ve been a fan long enough to know that. Except this time I have them documented. Pretty sick huh? I don’t care, because I’m going to use your own words on you to make you look like fools by the end of the season.

    What some of you morons fail to realize that there is a difference between having an opinion and constantly having a negative opinion. Some that occasionally post negative opinions and some that always post negative opinions. The ones that always post negative opinions are not that hard to find on JBF. The ones that occasionally do, usually follow it up with. I hope I’m proven wrong. Everyone is entitled to their opinion of course they are, but when it’s always negative, don’t expect people not to call you on it.

    You can trust this I only have one screen name in here. If you see new people calling the negative posters out for what they are. It’s not me.

  120. Buccaray Says:

    I obviously mean McCoy, not McFarlene….With all do respect to Booger..

  121. Andrew 1 Says:

    @ Buccaray

    I like what you said. Im assuming you meant lined up with McCoy, AC with be a 10+ sack man?

    you got to remember Greg Spires was no slouch himself. if we could get Bowers to play as good as he did, that would be a good start.

  122. MadMax Says:

    LOl, its alright Bonzai…happens to the best of us at times :)

  123. MadMax Says:

    @Buccaray, no green goodies around my house….been that way for years now…,.but those were the days back in my late teens/early 20′s when I did occasionally partake a toke or two :)

  124. PRBucFan Says:

    I will not believe the doom and gloom until i have seen our Bucs play poorly during the actual season.

    Am I concerned? Absolutely, but it is still very premature to be so down on our Bucs, Not one regular season snap has taken place.

    Reading this boils my blood, albeit there are some legitimate concerns but until I have seen our team crumble I am still believing in good things this season.

    No prediction here, I do however believe that we will be competitive throughout the entire season barring a meltdown from Freeman.

  125. MadMax Says:

    Coach/Dom/Glazers….start Glennon! Reps with the 1st!

    Josh can rep with the 2nd’s and 3rd’s in the last half….PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE!

    Its friggin preseason, doesnt matter that much, so do it!!

  126. chef paul Says:

    I have to agree that if Joshy sucks it up early, we put in Glennon. However, say we go 0-4 first 4 games. That doesn’t necessarily mean we pull freeman. It depends on his play not the teams play. If the O averages 40 points a game With no picks, but the D allows 45 points a game that’s not on freeman. If that’s the case we can Sheridan on the bye week. I also think if Joshy throws 4 picks game one, pull that sumbitch. Even if we win. I don’t foresee it though. I really think Josh will be fine.

  127. chef paul Says:

    I call him Joshy because that’s what I called him in 2010. Its kind of like my delusional good luck charm.

  128. Walter Says:

    4 series, 6-10 42yds 0td 0int, sacked 4 times, 3 times in 8 snaps vs. Patriots

    ^^^^^Are you guys really panicking about THAT?? ^^^^^

    I mean, I know the fans in Tampa like to give up hope really quick, but can’t you at least wait until there’s actually a valid reason to panic? It’s 4 drives in Pre-Season. Not the end of the world yet guys.

  129. Bobby Says:

    Freeman has taken a total of 21 snaps so it’s easy to see 6-10. I mean…..who couldn’t predict an entire season off of all that……

  130. chef paul Says:

    Haha Walter. I think some people were panicking before training camp started

  131. BucDan Says:

    Play Freeman halfway through the second quarter. Let Glennon run with the rest of the starters through the third quarter. Have the camp bodies finish it out.

    I think that would satisfy plenty of fans on how to see which QB can better lead the offense down the field.

    My season prediction was and still is 13-3. Made it before the preseason started and I will stick to it to stay consistent. I have high hopes for this team and it just needs to fall together.

  132. jb Says:

    BucDan, I admire your positive attitude, given all we’ve seen from this team so far this preseason. I was able to keep things halfway positive until this MERSA breakout happened. Unless they show us something tonight and September 8th against the Jets, I’m ready to start looking at next season’s draft.

  133. Walter Says:

    @JB

    A MERSA breakout, really??? Nicks (already damaged goods) and Tynes (a mediocre kicker) get sick, and THAT’S what ends our season? Oh come on! What a ridiculous reason to lose hope.

  134. J. Says:

    Not only are these posts filled with extreme pessimism, but more grammar, spelling, and punctuation errors than one would find in a 3rd grade class. Let spell check be your friend. At least then you won’t look like can’t spell simple words and phrases.

  135. gotbbucs Says:

    In order for for us to have a successful season our offense will have to play well and our defense will also have to play well. We will also have to stay relatively injury free.

    It’s the same for every damn team in the league.

    We have an almost complete overhaul in the secondary that has hardly had any time together. Might take a few games before they really start clicking, obviously the talent is there, so who knows?
    The pass rush depends almost entirely on AC and McCoy, I don’t see Bowers consistently doing anything. Means or Gholston, one or the other, will probably need to come out of nowhere and provide us a half dozen sacks to have a good pass rush this year.

    The offense depends 100% on the O-Line. The best offensive teams year in, year out, and all the way back in history have the best O-Lines. Bottom line.

    11-5 if everything goes right, 8-8 if they don’t. This is a good enough team to win close games even if things aren’t clicking.

  136. Couch Fan Says:

    The pass rush depends almost entirely on AC and McCoy, I don’t see Bowers consistently doing anything.

    ———————————————————–

    And you figured this out after only 2 pre-season games where Bowers barely played in the 2nd game for whatever reason? Wow. You are good. You should apply for NFL Scout evaluators job since you can judge the quality of someone off just a few snaps.

  137. chef paul Says:

    Haha J. There’s a grammar error in your post bitching about grammar errors

  138. JA Says:

    Why listen to these guys?

    Last year Kirwan predicted;
    Colts 2-14
    Redskins 6-10
    Eagles 10-6 and Division winner.
    Minnesota 4-12
    Detroit 10-6

    None, and I repeat NONE of these guys know what they are talking about. They only get paid because fans are stupid enough to give them credence.

  139. Billy (#1 Alstott Fan) Says:

    We’ll go 0-16 as long as Freeman is are QB. We got Raheem out and replaced him with Schiano which is great. That guy was dummy. He got so luck winning 10 games. Freeman is the problem. If we would start Glenin, weed make it to the playoffs, I gurantee it! We need Hillis & to play more to. Just watch. Schiano is a great coach and if Glenin becoms the starter weed go 10-4 or 11-3. Freeman is tearable. Schiano should trade Freeman for JJ Swatt or Jared Allen. GO BUCS

  140. J. Says:

    Point them out then Chef Paul

  141. SacBucs Says:

    The teachers pet is getting mad.Reminds me of these girls I used to blank in jr high.

  142. loung Says:

    hey .. hate ..hate . do you like the buccaneers beer this season ????

  143. loung Says:

    hate .. your guy tell MR KIRWAN AND NFL >> HEATH EVAN > GO TO NFL ON CBS >> NO CBF

  144. loung Says:

    week one buccaneers – 3 vs ny jet …. hate you wan the best ????

 
 

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