Mike Glennon Is Not Ready

August 15th, 2013

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Joe knows in the wake of news that Bucs franchise quarterback Josh Freeman had one of his notorious Six Flags days yesterday and was roundly outplayed by a glorified third-string quarterback, the Mike Glennon Mob was happily wringing their hands in glee.

Joe is sorry to burst their bubbles, even those of the lunatic fringe, but Glennon will not sniff an NFL field this season in a meaningful game, short of Freeman going down from an injury. Even the crowd at ProFootballFocus.com, who get their calculators all in a bunch over Freeman, have noted that Glennon is not ready prime time, writes Rick Drummond.

Proper Motivation?

In our first look at Josh Freeman’s designated motivator, rookie QB Mike Glennon (-2.6 passing) came off less than polished. To be expected for sure, but the giraffe-like passer didn’t do much to avoid cementing early thoughts that had him pegged as a clumsy-footed, inaccurate slinger at this stage in his progression. A couple of big gains — escaping pressure to hit his wide-open tight end on a busted coverage to end the first quarter, and an underthrown deep ball to end the half – couldn’t outweigh the handful of other off-target attempts he put on tape. After showing sophomore promise in 2010 and not much since, Freeman’s desire to right the ship in time for his next contract — and not the rookie breathing down his neck — should still be the driving force behind hope for an improved 2013 campaign.

No matter how many times Joe types it, no matter how many times Glennon says it, the message is the same: the rookie from North Carolina State is simply not ready to play.

Yet the Mike Glennon Mob believes (hopes?) otherwise.

151 Responses to “Mike Glennon Is Not Ready”

  1. D-Rome Says:

    Perhaps I’ve been too busy with work and life and such but I didn’t realize there are lot of people clamoring for Mike Glennon to be the starter. That’s absurd!

  2. Buc1987 Says:

    D-Rome…there’s virtually no one, but 4 on JBF. The fearsome mob of 4.

  3. Buc1987 Says:

    Mike Glennon Is Not Ready
    Translation : Glennon sucks!

  4. mpmalloy Says:

    It’s only a matter of time until Glennon takes
    his rightful position as starting QB.

    Sweet passes.
    Vote for Pedro.

  5. BigSombrero Says:

    I wonder why Joe feels so passionate about knocking Glennon. From what I have seen, Glennon hasn’t looked bad at all. Is he better than Free? No but what is behind this movement to write an article daily discussing how not ready Glennon is? Fact is Free has been underwhelming with his wild inconsistency. Fact is people who clamor on and on about how we are lost without Free are absurd. Now Free has all the tools, hopefully he puts it together and I in no way want Glennon to start this year but let me be the first to state what should be obvious to anyone, inconsistent QB’s that lead teams to losing seasons are a dime a dozen. Based on potential Free is irreplaceable, based on performance hes easily replaceable. Potential has never won a playoff game. Get over it guys and be realistic about our QB situation. After year 4 I think its safe to assume Free is what he has been until he proves otherwise. And don’t be so quick to bash Glennon, he may be our starter next year.

  6. mpmalloy Says:

    I remember when Joe thought the idea of Martin
    unseating Blount was outrageous.

    …oh, ye of little faith.

  7. ShutTheBucUp Says:

    GLENNON IS THE FUTURE!

    of practice squad quarterbacks…

  8. Illuminati Says:

    Tina, come get some ham.

  9. Buc1987 Says:

    “writes Rick Drummond.”

    BigSombrero ….Joe did not write the article he only posted it. Blame Rick Drummond.

  10. Andrew 1 Says:

    much to do about nothin.

  11. Biff Barker Says:

    Mob? What mob? There are only realists Joe. You should be pulling for the new necky kid to be ready post haste!
    Elsewhere on JBF, the Freepologists say his suckage this week is for lack of a game plan! Really, for a scrimmage?
    That’s hysterical!

  12. Buc'n Junkie Says:

    ^^^ this is exactly what amuses Joe’s warped sense of humor.

    The pitch fork and torch crowd.

  13. So. Ill. Bucs Says:

    Per PFF’s 32 observations:

    Quarterback Mike Glennon’s day looks bad enough when you see just 11 completions on 23 pass attempts. It’s even worse when you consider he was a perfect 6-for-6 on passes behind the line of scrimmage, leaving him at 5-for-17 on passes beyond the line of scrimmage.

    https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2013/08/14/32-observations-reserves-preseason-week-1/

  14. BigSombrero Says:

    I guess im in the minority and part of the Glennon mob because I hope Glennon continues to improve and actually does become better than Free. I thought that was me just wishing the best for a player and the Bucs organization but I now see the error of my ways.

    Down with Glennon! The lucky fool outshined Freeman once, big deal, he still isn’t and never will be half the QB Freeman is. Glad we have Free as our starter. For all you impatient lynch mob types out there Free is going to become great and perform consistently in a few more years. We need to pay him because he is the only thing holding this team together. Where else can we find a QB that plays well half the season? (Did I do it right guys?)

  15. Couch Fan Says:

    The funny thing is, the description they gave for Glennon’s performance sounds exactly like Freeman’s career. But yet Freeman is so much better how exactly?

    Freeman’s only advantage is experience. Nothing else… Not sure why every seems to think Freeman is so superior.

  16. Couch Fan Says:

    Oh and Freeman is more mobile. When he chooses to be.

  17. BigSombrero Says:

    Wow Couch fan, you just destroyed the head of that nail. But to answer your question, I would guess its based purely on potential since its the only thing Freeman has over Glennon. Problem is, like I said before, potential doesn’t win games and while its important to develop that potential every player has, its year 5 and a case can be made that Freeman isn’t improving.But hey, let them keep bashing the honest fan as Freeman haters.

  18. Chris Says:

    Buc1987 Says:
    August 15th, 2013 at 4:15 pm
    Mike Glennon Is Not Ready
    Translation : Glennon sucks!

    Translation? Glennon is a rookie. It’s expected for rookies to struggle. Josh is a 5th year guy. And he still is up and down. Glennon has a lot of positives. He needs to develop.

    Joe you are a fool to call it the glennon mob. It’s not the Glennob mob. We all know if freeman has a performance like 2012 I still say we miss the playoffs. If glennon has to play means we are out of reach bc freeman stunk it up.

    Lets make it clear. I want freeman to put t together. But he hasn’t yet in 4 years. People can throw the Flacco comparison all tey want in reality joe Flacco was consistent year after year. If Flacco really sucked , Baltimore never goes or wins a playoff game.

    The new offense is a poor excuse as well. Qbs who have good OCs always have to adjust to change. It’s the questionable/bad qbs who can’t adjust. Matt Ryan had a new OC. Peyton manning had anew OC. Baltimore fires cam Cameron mid season and Flacco dominates.

    But josh struggles ? Put two and two together. He was in Ollie”a system for 3 years. I expect more of the same maye worse if you want my opinion. Why? If you watch the last 6 games. Teams did 3 things against us.

    1. Played a lot of zone.
    2. Blitzed josh bc he gets rattled and doesn’t get rid of the ball quickly.
    3. His inability to scan the field makes things easier to read coverages.

    I don’t think things bode well for freeman. I want them too but those are things that need fixing.

  19. BuccaneerBonzai Says:

    BigSombrero Says
    “I wonder why Fact is Free has been underwhelming with his wild inconsistency.”

    While this was true last year, so.ething interesting is happening this year. Joe has reported a number of times on how Freeman has looked in camp…very elite. Then, and here is the interesting part, while practicing with the Patriots, our own local reporters tell us how badly he looks up there. Yet THEIR reporters in NE say he looks incredibly good. They have every reason to not like him…yet they were impressed.

    So why is it that our own hack reporters can’t see what out of town reporters do? Because our guys are agenda driven.

  20. BigSombrero Says:

    Bonzai, that isn’t 100% accurate. On this very site, on article prior to this one, there is an article from a pats beat writer that states Freeman looked terrible. Our local guys are in fact much kinder to Free than national media types and other markets media guys.

  21. JonBuc Says:

    iluminati:

    “Gosh!”

  22. BuccaneerBonzai Says:

    BigSombrero Say
    “I thought that was me just wishing the best for a player and the Bucs organization…”

    Wouldn’t the best for the organzation be whichever player is the best in the present time? Since we have so much time invested in Freeman, wouldn’t wishing for him to become better be best for the team?

    Let’s say Freeman blows it. Glennon get’s to start by….game 10. How long do you honestly think it will be before Glennon is a quality starter…if ever? 2 years? 3 years?

    Let’s say 3 for example. That would be his rookie year, where he was a backup for 10 games, plus the 3 years of development.

    Now look at the ages of the starters on this team. Some players will still be here. Not Vincent Jackson. Not Revis. Not Penn or Joseph. GMC will be nearing his 3rd contract, so he’ll be aged too.

    And ironically…Glennon would be entering his 5th year….same as Freeman is now. So…let’s be honest. If Glennon takes that long to develop (which is the norm), you will want HIM replaced…just like now with Freeman.

    No…the best thing for the team is for both QBs to get better, for Freeman to become the franchise QB and for Glennon to have that time to develop and replace Freeman after the next contract.

    This makes all the sense in the world.

  23. Buc1987 Says:

    I blame it all on Raheem the Dream.

  24. Buc1987 Says:

    I’ve seen improvement in Freeman. Joe’s seen improvement in Freeman. Schiano’s seen improvement in Freeman. McNulty’s seen improvement in Freeman. Sully’s seen improvement in Freeman. Dom’s seen improvement in Freeman. Jesus himself could come down from the sky and say the same thing. None of this means anything to the doubters. Which to me, makes me sit here and lmao. Same shyte different day. blah blah blah and blah.

  25. Chris Says:

    One guy I’d keep in mind if freeman blows it: Kirk cousins. Dude just has te look of an efficient qb.

  26. BUCSLEGENDS Says:

    Freeman fan here !!!!!!! As of right now Free should start ! Glennon hasn’t shown near enough to take Frees job. If he some how does… GREAT FOR BUCS, until then i’ll just enjoy the entertainment in comments everytime Joe posts something on Free !!!!!!! LOVE MY BUCS !!!!!! I’ve been a fan from the very start, seen too many band wagon hoppin’, front runnin’ people over the years. STAY STRONG BUC FANS !!!!!!! Gonna be a great year !!!!!!!

  27. Buc'n Junkie Says:

    @Bonzai ..glad you asked!

    Why is it that every single Buccaneer publication consist of only doom and gloom anymore. Where are all the feel good news? There is hardly anything positive that is written or publicly said very often that makes new fans want to be a Buc fan.

    I think it’s time someone starts a publication by real passionate Buc fans, Someone who’s allegiance is not split between here and somewhere else. The media personalities here have no real interest in backing the Bucs. They cover the Bucs because it’s their job, but their not truly vested in the Bucs. They may work for the print, radio, or TV media but the most influential are not true Buc fans, and it clearly shows.

    TKras is a Jets fan, Tom Jones is a Steeler fan, etc etc.

    You can walk up to any Bucs reporter and say the Buccaneers suck and instead of offering any kind of rebuttal or resistance, they will just agree with you. Are they devoted fans?

    Say that to some NE or NY reporter about their home team and they won’t hesitate to set you straight.

    There is no home team pride felt through the Tampa media market, and they do their best to constantly fuel controversies instead of rallying the fan base. It really does make you sick. If I could, I’d run everyone of them out of town and hire people who actually support Tampa Bay area sports.

    A northeast reporter can say anything negative about our Bucs and the Tampa media market will agree.

    But you never hear the Tampa market say anything negative, and only give praises to other teams. Especially, if it’s the team they grew up liking.

    Most of our transient reporters that are here are from the northeast. That’s why we get so much coverage of northeastern teams and their blatant bias for those teams.

    Even the Tampa market tries to deliver the news in the same fashion as the northeast market. I mean seriously, how many Buc fans are tired of hearing about the Jets, Giants, Ravens, and Patriots.

    I’m not saying that some can’t change, but let’s be honest, usually once your a fan of any particular team, you stay a fan for life. They don’t come down here to work and then all of a sudden convert.

  28. Buc1987 Says:

    I mean seriously, how many Buc fans are tired of hearing about the Jets, Giants, Ravens, and Patriots.

    I’m not saying that some can’t change, but let’s be honest, usually once your a fan of any particular team, you stay a fan for life. They don’t come down here to work and then all of a sudden convert.

    ^^^^yup

  29. chef paul Says:

    If Glennon becomes better than Josh, great!!!! Put him in. Wouldn’t bother me if every backup became better than the starter. Even if it means benching my man crush David. THATS what’s best for the team. Not rooting for or against guys on out team.

    I like Freeman and think he’ll be just fine this year, but if I’m wrong, I couldn’t care less. I’d rather be wrong and have a better team, than be right and put in bombs

    I don’t think anybody is actually rooting against Freeman or Glennon. But the way some of these comments are worded it sure seems like some people are. Heck I’m sure I worded some comments to make people think I hate Glennon too.

  30. chef paul Says:

    In a perfect world, in my opinion, would be for josh to have the same year as last year or a little better, and Glennon look absolutely fabulous in practice. So much so it can’t be ignored like Russell Wilson was last year. Then we could franchise Freeman and trade him (if a franchised player can be traded) for a first or second or whatever a desperate team would pay. Then pay Glennon his chump change and save millions of dollas!!!! millions of dollas!!!

  31. PRBucFan Says:

    Lol can I have one of those crystal balls please?

    Didn’t realize it was so easy to tell the future or whether or not someone whose only played 1 preseason in the NFL is going to end up “sucking” or not lol. SMH

  32. Buc1987 Says:

    “Joe is sorry to burst their bubbles, even those of the lunatic fringe, but Glennon will not sniff an NFL field this season in a meaningful game, short of Freeman going down from an injury.”

    Yup Joe plenty of lunatics around here. That’s for sure!

  33. Illuminati Says:

    @PRBucFan

    I agree. If a sweeping assessment of a rookie QB can be made after one preseason game, then they might as well start prepping Jeff Tuel’s bust for Canton.

  34. PRBucFan Says:

    LoL Exactly

  35. BuccaneerBonzai Says:

    Really, there is no evidence supporting that any of those rookie or young QBs will be as good as advertised. Wilson had a good year last year. He could be horrible this year.

    Truth is, there have been plenty of first year QBs that started hot and ended up being busts. NFLfans have very short memories. Heck…it has happened in tampa a number of times.

  36. PRBucFan Says:

    Anything “could” happen

  37. BigSombrero Says:

    Well my issue is all of the hardcore apologists spend the day tearing down Glennon while they can’t offer any substantial reasoning as to why Freeman is supposedly irreplaceable. So we can’t find a turnover prone QB with accuracy and consistency issues to lead us to a losing season anywhere?

    Thats what Free has been. Again, potential is great but by year 3 or 4 you want to see that potential coming out. You don’t want to see the same issues to the same degree year in and year out.

    Free isn’t irreplaceable. Thats a figment of certain fans imagination. He’s had time and he hasn’t produced what we needed him to or he would have had an extension by now like every other player we want to keep around. Keep dreaming though of the land of make believe where Free is and has been an elite QB and its everyone else’s fault around him that we keep losing.

    Glennon isn’t going to start this year barring injury nor should he but stop defending a poor player. Josh needs to start defending himself by producing on field.

  38. Buc1987 Says:

    BigSombrero… Glennon isn’t going to start this year barring injury nor should he but stop defending a poor player. Josh needs to start defending himself by producing on field.

    Thus is why EVERYONE can’t wait until the regular season starts. Supporters and non supporters.

  39. Andrew 1 Says:

    no matter what you think of Freeman the QB, there is no substitute for experience and that is why the vet will always get the start over the rookie in this situation. I know, I know… people are going to point the success of Russell Wilson and RG111, but those guys are anomalies. its very rare for a rookie QBs to have that kind of success, and it shouldn’t be treated as the norm. so for now Freeman is our QB and I expect every bucs fan to back their starting QB.

  40. Buc1987 Says:

    he hasn’t produced what we needed him to or he would have had an extension by now like every other player we want to keep around. Keep dreaming though of the land of make believe where Free is and has been an elite QB and its everyone else’s fault around him that we keep losing.

    OMG the drama of it all. Season just start already so Josh can shut these people up already or atleast make them disappear.

  41. BamBamBuc Says:

    Oh, come on now. We all know that anyone that has ever viewed the “tape” of the preseason games is a real NFL scout and can tell from the TV broadcast and semi-biased reports exactly how any and all players are performing. We all know exactly what the coaches were wanting to accomplish, what their intentions for the players were, what the players thoughts were, and can come to an educated NFL scoout-quality analysis of each and every player at this time of year. We’ve all seen “tape” (usually consisting of youtube highlight videos or blog-site “draft boards”) of every NFL and college player and our expectations are precise. These owners, GMs and coaches should LISTEN TO US!!!

    Um yeah, or maybe they should do their jobs and we should go to games and cheer for the team and hope for the best. Gotta say, I never expected the Super Bowl to happen, but it did. After years of watching the Eagles knock us out I thought for sure that was the end of our season that year. Thank goodness I was wrong, best experience of my life!!!

  42. Andrew 1 Says:

    this may just be me but I dont care if they trotted out Jeff George, if your our starting QB then I will be rooting for you to succeed and you have my full support. now, once you leave the team…then its over.

  43. Buc1987 Says:

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    A short list of 27 Buc fans that believe in Freeman on JBF that live in the land of make believe according to BigSombrero.

  44. BigSombrero Says:

    Thanks for the list Buc1987. But I didn’t say believing in Free was wrong. I said those that believe he has been an Elite QB live in the land of make believe. Nice strawman attempt though but the thing about a strawman argument is it makes it painfully obvious you have a lack of actual substance.

  45. Buc1987 Says:

    We’re all Buc fans. Those that doubt Freeman now should not even bother to watch them play this season. Why you ask? Because if what they believe is true and they’ve seen no improvement in him and they know enough already from watching his past seasons. Surely they must be expecting more of the same right? Some have already said it. So why bother watching then? Freeman is THEE only hope at QB that this team has this season. You doubters better pray your wrong if you care about MY Bucs like you say you do. Hmmm and people wonder why I call them MY Bucs.

  46. Buc1987 Says:

    BigSombrero … then don’t bother watching I’ hate for you to have to suffer through an unbearable season of Freeman dragging this team down again.

  47. Buc1987 Says:

    I mean hell some of you have already pre-determined he’s going to suck. If that’s true than MY Bucs are looking at 5-11.

  48. Free's A Boob Says:

    Why is it that when Freeman was grossly overdrafted due to Rah’s man crush it was perfectly fine for fans to clamor for him? Now that he has been proven to be mentally deficient and unfit for any gainful employment, fans that want an intelligent QB like Glennon are wacko? Give me a break. Freeman is and always has been a loser. Look at the record.

    Joe, obviously you have been drinking the Rah, “It’s all about 5″ koolaid.

  49. BigSombrero Says:

    Buc1987, that reply made no sense. I said Free hasn’t been an elite QB and you reply “then don’t watch.” Ok.

    As I have said to those that have paid attention is Free has great potential and very well could put it together but as it stands he hasn’t and those that think he has are delusional. And those who think the franchise is lost without Freeman are delusional as well based on his past performances.

    Please make a legitimate argument if you disagree with me Buc1987 i.e. dont build a strawman and make sure your comment makes sense in some way.

  50. chris Says:

    Yep. For all who judge Glennon of his “Rookie struggles’ based off a preseason game, I don’t hear any “Freeman Lovers” (I put that in quotes because they absolutely believe he’s been great and throw every excuse in the book due to his struggles) say Glennon is a ROOKIE playing in a completely different system. Yet, they preach Freeman, who was a 4th year pro, was in a “NEW SYSTEM” due to his struggles.

    So here is Mike Glennon, trying to adapt to the NFL as a ROOKIE learning the SAME OFFENSE Josh did a year ago as a 4th year guy. Here is Glennon trying to build chemisty with a COMPLETELY NEW WR core while Josh is working with the same guys, ala Crabtree and Ogeltree.

    Yet, we still hear the same excuse over and over and over again for Freeman. Yet, Glennon, who is a ROOKIE, is getting flack?

    Here is something to all you Freeman guys: How come we didn’t here Sully and Schiano rave about how quickly Freeman picked up the offense last year? We heard them say he didn’t seem comfortable at this time last year.

    However, it’s been the complete opposite for Glennon. As Glennon adapts, learns, and develops, he’s got a bright mind and head between his ears. Scanning the field quickly and his eye movement is something Schiano likes in him. His poise and confidence in the pocket and willing to take a lick without fear and still step into his throws shows excellent pocket presence already.

    He’s a rookie who needs to work out the nicks and cracks in his game. But you can see when he does, he will be a quality (maybe even better ) QB in this league. You’ve seen O’brien rave about him saying he might be even better than Matt Ryan.

    I am rooting for Josh Freeman. However, to come here and bash Mike Glennon, who is a ROOKIE, for having similar struggles to what Josh Freeman, who is a 5 year vet, and still makes a ton of rookie mistakes, is beyond me.

  51. BigSombrero Says:

    Well said Chris. Well said.

  52. Andrew 1 Says:

    @ BigSombrero

    your generalizing. during that 6 game winning streak, he was playing at an elite level. Ron Jaworski even went so far as to say he was the best QB in the league at that time. now imagine for a second he increased that elite play from 6 to say… 10-11 games this coming season and played the rest at an average to good level. I think that would be more than enough to take us where we want to go. I got to remember that even QBs like Drew Brees have games where they are not so elite during the course of the season.

  53. Andrew 1 Says:

    * you got to remember.

  54. Buc1987 Says:

    BigSombero says :”Keep dreaming though of the land of make believe where Free is and has been an elite QB and its everyone else’s fault around him that we keep losing.”

    Who on JBF thinks Freeman is an elite QB? I have yet to see anyone say that EVER on JBF? EVER!

    I’ll repeat Who on JBF thinks Freeman is an elite QB? Please put your name down or if anyone else has seen someone posting it on JBF. Put their name down.

  55. chris Says:

    Andrew 1 Says:
    August 15th, 2013 at 10:37 pm
    @ BigSombrero

    your generalizing. during that 6 game winning streak, he was playing at an elite level. Ron Jaworski even went so far as to say he was the best QB in the league at that time. now imagine for a second he increased that elite play from 6 to say… 10-11 games this coming season and played the rest at an average to good level. I think that would be more than enough to take us where we want to go. I got to remember that even QBs like Drew Brees have games where they are not so elite during the course of the season.

    Andrew,

    You’re right. But when you play great 6 games against the likes of San Diego, Oakland, New Orleans, Kansas City and Carolina, doesn’t seem like elite competition ehh? Minnesota was a quality performance.

    However: there were 10 games Freeman was not very good to down right atrocious in.

    It’s a 16 game season. weeks 6 through 11 don’t get you to the post season. The final 6 when we needed him, he tanked, as well as the defense.

    Even in 2010, he struggled against playoff caliber teams.

  56. BigSombrero Says:

    @Andrew – Well said and I agree. I have said it myself before, when on, Free looks like he could potentially be a top tier QB. My issue with him is that there is no in between. Free is never just decent, he’s either on fire or a complete train wreck. Again, he has the tools, he just hasn’t put it together. Maybe he will but as it stands I have little reason to believe he will. A lot of players flash, maybe not as brightly as Free but it happens all the time. Flash players don’t last, they don’t lead teams, and they don’t win Super Bowls. My whole point is that as it stands, Free hasn’t produced, he hasn’t earned a contract (evident by the fact that we haven’t given him one), and he hasn’t proven he is a capable long term option at QB that can get it done against top teams. And in the NFL, if you haven’t proven you belong, then you have proven that you don’t.

    Again, hopefully it will change, maybe it will change, but the fact is, if it doesn’t change then we could move on without losing much of a player.

    Buc1987, stop embarrassing yourself here. My comments were for those that claim those that haven’t bought into Free yet as crazy or ridiculous. Give me an argument against what I said or move along please. We can chalk it up to you being drunk or something.

  57. PRBucFan Says:

    So Joe shouldn’t watch the Bucs play?

    Cause he has openly stated he isn’t sold on Freeman either lol.

    The jury is still out, let’s not get carried away with “labeling” each other as different types of fans.

  58. Buc1987 Says:

    Thats a figment of certain fans imagination. He’s had time and he hasn’t produced what we needed him to or he would have had an extension by now like every other player we want to keep around. Keep dreaming though of the land of make believe where Free is and has been an elite QB and its everyone else’s fault around him that we keep losing.

    I’ll keep waiting for you to name the “certain fans” that are dreaming that Freeman has been an elite QB.

    I mean it’s your statement not mine.

  59. Buc1987 Says:

    PRBucFan…Joe has also openly stated that Freeman is our best chance of making the playoffs with him as our QB too.

  60. chef paul Says:

    I must’ve missed that day when all these Freeman fans called him elite. This whole thing is just like politics. Free fan says “I believe”. Free hater hears “he’s elite.”……. Free hater says “I don’t believe in freeman.” Free fan hears “freeman has never shown an ounce of talent in his entire career.”……. Free fan says “defense was awful and allowed a ton of points” free hater hears “it was 100% the defenses fault. freeman is elite!!” I typed this knowing full well im guilty of it too. Lol. I could go on for days.

  61. Buc1987 Says:

    Joe is objective. The best chance for the Bucs to make the playoffs is with Freeman. That’s not even up for serious debate. Is Freeman the answer as the franchise quarterback? Joe isn’t sold yet. Has he practiced exceptionally of late? Yes. Can he win games? We shall see.–Joe

    I hardly call that predicting failure for Freeman in 2013 like a small number of you do daily on here.

  62. Illuminati Says:

    Successful entrepreneurs tend to focus on their strengths, rather than their weaknesses. If an entrepreneurial-minded person is a great programmer, but his presentation skills suck, he will focus on being the best programmer he can be, launch his own start-up, and let someone else do presentations.

    Mindless corporate drones tend to focus on their weaknesses. A corporate-minded programmer will try to improve his presentation skills, because he believes it will make him a more “well-rounded” employee, and subsequently more valuable to the organization. But all of that time spent trying to improve his weaknesses is time he could have spent becoming a truly elite programmer.

    Josh Freeman is very effective throwing on the run. But Sullivan’s system relies heavily on isolation routes. On the surface, this makes sense because we have one of the biggest, most physical one-two receiver tandems in the league in Jackson and Williams.

    Unfortunately, this severely limits Freeman’s ability to throw on the run, which is one of his greatest strengths. He can run the ball, too, and should be allowed to tuck and run more often when a defender closes his first read. Hell, he’s proven his toughness and durability. He’s not made of glass.

    I say we stop trying to make Freeman a corporate drone and let him be more of an entrepreneur.

  63. Buc1987 Says:

    Like I’m saying if your so confident that he’s going to be the same old Freeman than why bother watching? I mean this season is going to suck with him as our QB right?

    This is what I take from the doubters when they rant about Freeman.
    He’s just going to drag the team down with all these great players we have around him now.

    If that’s true then why bother watching?

  64. Andrew 1 Says:

    @ Sombrero

    “I have little reason to believe he will”

    I believe he will. that is where we just don’t see eye to eye, and there’s nothing wrong with that. everybody is entitled to their own opinion. where I have a problem, not saying this is you, is when certain fans intentionally root for Freeman to fail. since I can clearly see that’s not you, I can respect where your coming from. don’t necessarily agree with it, but I can respect it.

  65. Andrew 1 Says:

    @ Sombrero

    “I have little reason to believe he will”

    I believe he will. that is where we just don’t see eye to eye, and there’s nothing wrong with that. everybody is entitled to their own opinion. where I have a problem, not saying this is you, is when certain fans intentionally root for Freeman to fail. since I can clearly see that’s not you, I can respect where your coming from. don’t necessarily agree with it, but I can respect that.

  66. Andrew 1 Says:

    @ Big sombrero

    tried to respond, but my post didnt go through lol

  67. Buc1987 Says:

    The thing is, John McNulty has publicly stated that it’s a “waste of time” to try and fix a QB’s mechanics.

    And Glennon’s mechanics are far superior to Freeman’s.

    And Sullivan will take a new job as soon as it’s offered.

    And McNulty is the heir apparent to Sullivan’s job.

    Do the math.–Illuminati

    Illuminati…I’ll take that as a nay. So 2 nays. Keep in mind I’m taking names.–Buc1987

    @ Buc1987

    Keep in mind I’m taking names.

    Good. Because memories around here are short.—Illuminati

  68. Andrew 1 Says:

    @ Chris

    the way I see it is that its any given sunday. there are no “give mes” in the NFL. so even wins versus so called “weaker opponents” still count as much as any other win. I get what your trying to say, but that doesn’t matter as much to me.

  69. chris Says:

    Illuminati,

    So what you’re saying is, let Freeman throw on the run every play? Come on dude. QBs cannot scramble and throw every time. That’s why guys must learn to be pocket passers. Freeman hasn’t progressed in that area. Neither has the likes of a Cam Newton.

  70. Illuminati Says:

    @chris

    No, I didn’t say let Freeman throw on the run “every play.” I’m suggesting we open the offense up a little more to cater to his proven strengths.

  71. Buc1987 Says:

    Buc Fans on JBF that believe in Freeman.

    I’s– sneedy Mitch Bobby chef paul tonytwocents Solaire of Astora Pete 422 Raphael GABA tampabaybucfan Cdog
    Ian_620WDAE BucSnob Macabee BucBonzai WestCoast DJ Nic stvcl True Buc Fan5599 adamant JoeG Buc1987
    NY Bucs Fan Andrew 1 Buc n Junkie

    Nays–Free’s A Boob Illuminati Eric robert

    On the Fence –PRBucfan, Couch Fan, and SteveK

    That’s so far 26 believers and 4 non believers, and 3 I’ll believe it when I see it’s.

    Where do I put your name under Chris & BigSombrero? I’m keeping track of all this.

  72. Buc1987 Says:

    If the QB is considered the most important part of the team and your in the nay category then why bother watching?

  73. PRBucFan Says:

    Lets not play coy, I’m not arguing semantics.

    Many of us understand and believe (As Joe does) that Freeman is our best option right now.

    But that’s entirely different that being sold on whether Freeman is our QB of the future. You insinuated that those of us that don’t believe that should not watch the Bucs play and I’m reminding you that Joe would be one of this guys your suggesting not watch the Bucs. ;)

    Try and keep up.

  74. Illuminati Says:

    @Buc1987

    Not sure what your point is by re-posting what I said, but it reinforces my point.

    If McNulty is not going to “waste time” improving Freeman’s mechanics, then he and Sullivan need to tweak the offense to fit Freeman’s strengths.

    We all know Freeman has mechanical issues. He has a strong arm, and tries to use his arm strength to compensate for his mechanical deficiencies. His front step is too long, which makes him throw off his back foot or throw from a back-leaning position. He locks his front knee, which inhibits his forward motion. He opens his hips and shoulders too early.

    Glennon has mechanical and footwork issues, too, but his overall mechanics are better than Freeman’s. And he has a strong arm, too.

    I’m not “choosing sides” in some ridiculous Freeman/Glennon debate. I just want ONE of them to be the guy.

    And again, you’re reinforcing my point. If McNulty and Sullivan don’t want to bother improving Freeman’s mechanics, they either have to groom the guy with the better mechanics (Glennon) or adjust their scheme to better suit the more athletic guy with the most experience (Freeman).

  75. Buc1987 Says:

    Joe is not in the nay category…you try and keep up.
    Joe’s in the I’ll believe it when I see it category.

  76. Buc1987 Says:

    Who told you this Illuminati?

    Glennon has mechanical and footwork issues, too, but his overall mechanics are better than Freeman’s. And he has a strong arm, too.

  77. PRBucFan Says:

    Lol no one said be was in the nay category.

    Stop jumping around. It’s not that hard to understand.

  78. Buc'n Junkie Says:

    Something you guys need to realize.

    Joe is amused by this crap
    Joe plays both sides of an issue
    Joe likes controversy
    Joe is a third person
    Joe has multiple brains
    Joe is good
    Joe is bad
    Joe is fickle
    Joe is an equal opportunity offender

  79. Buc1987 Says:

    I’m saying those that don’t believe in Freeman (Illuminati) are the nays.

    PRBucfan your on the fence like Joe. So you have every reason to still watch.

  80. Illuminati Says:

    @Buc1987

    Who told you this Illuminati?

    Glennon has mechanical and footwork issues, too, but his overall mechanics are better than Freeman’s. And he has a strong arm, too.

    What is it you are disputing? Are you saying Glennon has perfect mechanics and footwork? Are you saying he doesn’t have a strong arm? Are you saying his mechanics are not as good as Freeman’s?

    Make your point.

  81. Buc1987 Says:

    LOL Junkie I figured out about 1/2 of that crap a month ago.

  82. Buc1987 Says:

    “his overall mechanics are better than Freeman’s.”

    Who told you that Illuminati… yourself?

  83. Illuminati Says:

    @Buc1987

    I’m saying those that don’t believe in Freeman (Illuminati) are the nays.

    I don’t “believe” in anything. That requires a leap of faith. I like to see evidence.

    I’m not a Freeman naysayer. I’m just not a card-carrying Freemanista. I have a healthy amount of skepticism. When I see success on the field of play, this season, I’ll believe.

  84. BigSombrero Says:

    You can add my name and Mark Dominiks to the on the fence list. I believe what I see. Free hasn’t played well consistently enough and its his fifth year so there isn’t any reason outside of hope to think that he will. He has also flashed greatness randomly so there is some chance he may put it together. Same thing as a lot of players though. Maybe Freeman ends up like Vince Young, a Flash in the pan that never gets it. Maybe he ends up a consistent QB that the coaches can actually plan around though while trying to think of a player to compare that scenario to I actually found that I couldn’t think of any QB’s from the last decade to finally put it together in his 5th year or later. Maybe Alex Smith if he continues to play serviceably in KC.

  85. Buc1987 Says:

    “Joe is sorry to burst their bubbles, even those of the lunatic fringe, but Glennon will not sniff an NFL field this season in a meaningful game, short of Freeman going down from an injury–Joe”

    lunatic fringe =“his overall mechanics are better than Freeman’s.”

    Who told you that Illuminati… yourself?

  86. Illuminati Says:

    @Buc1987

    “his overall mechanics are better than Freeman’s.” Who told you that Illuminati… yourself?

    Yes. Glennon’s mechanics need work, especially his lower body/footwork mechanics. But I still think his mechanics are better than Freeman’s.

  87. Buc1987 Says:

    Yes BigSombrero…and maybe we can just start all over again next year with a 2nd year Glennon and hope for the best.

  88. Buc1987 Says:

    JBF has it’s own QB coach and all this time I never knew you were one Illuminati. Wow how could I be so blind? I’m sorry your right, you’ve already seen it.

  89. PRBucFan Says:

    Whether he’s objective in his articles or not, Joe(s) opinions still come out rather clear. That he is not shy about.

    Wishy washy he is not but I understand what your are trying to get at.

    Anywho, this season cannot come soon enough lol.

  90. Illuminati Says:

    @Buc1987

    lunatic fringe =“his overall mechanics are better than Freeman’s.”

    Here’s an idea: Why don’t you post a detailed analysis of the two QBs mechanics. I’ve already pointed out a few basic flaws with Freeman’s mechanics.

    Why don’t you tell us how his mechanics are so far superior to Glennon’s? Or is trolling all you’re good for?

  91. Buc1987 Says:

    No hey your the QB coach of JBF Illuminati. Your right, I’m wrong end of story.

  92. Illuminati Says:

    I figured as much.

  93. Buc1987 Says:

    I can’t argue anymore with a professional QB coach.

  94. Buc1987 Says:

    I think I remember you saying something about his college coach O’Brien liking is mechanics when he played at NC State. So maybe your just going by that since the same coach, coached Matt Ryan.

  95. Illuminati Says:

    Glennon has the same problem locking his front leg as Freeman. But his upper body throwing motion is better.

    Again, if you want to break down their mechanics, go right ahead. So far, you haven’t addressed any specifics at all.

  96. Buc1987 Says:

    Brain Damage- Pink Floyd

    The lunatic is on the grass
    The lunatic is on the grass
    Remembering games and daisy chains and laughs
    Got to keep the loonies on the path

  97. Buc'n Junkie Says:

    The same old tired argument. Freeman is the QB, like it or not. If you don’t like it you can always root for Jacksonville or the hottest team out there. Tampa shouldn’t have to convince you to be a fan it should come unconditionally. It’s not negotiable. You’re either all in or not.

    You fence riders put conditions on your patronage and thats wrong.

    In that case the Bucs don’t need you, and us unconditional fans don’t need you.

  98. BigSombrero Says:

    Well we can “start all over” as you over dramatically put it or we can continue playing with a guy that hasn’t shown he can be counted on to perform at a serviceable level if, in fact, Free doesn’t turn it around. One option leaves the chance of a SB run in our future, the other one doesn’t.

  99. Buc1987 Says:

    I’m not a QB coach. I’m underqualified unlike yourself. It’s not even a fair fight anymore. You have all the guns and I have none. Again I’m not a QB coach.

  100. SteveK Says:

    Let’s all hope Freeman puts the pocket passing, audible capability, consistency and the ability to stabilize the offense every Sunday.

    I want nothing more than to see the Bucs back in the playoffs, and whomever leads at the QB position, and gives us the chance to win, should be heralded are “our guy”.

    Freeman played like the best QB in football for 6/16 of last year. What we need is a QB that can keep your team competitive in 16/16 contests.

    Bottom line, playoffs in 2013 or we may be seeking a few changes.

  101. Buc1987 Says:

    “One option leaves the chance of a SB run in our future, the other one doesn’t.”

    Meaning Glennon is the other option for a SB run?

  102. Buc1987 Says:

    All I know is I have a gang of 26 believers in Freeman on my side on JBF. Or some might call us the gang of 26 blind homers. A Glennon Mob of 4. 6 people on the fence and 1 QB coach. Well actually the QB coach was already put down as a nay 3 days ago and he was glad to be put there.

    Oh and wait I forgot I got this too.

    I’ve seen improvement in Freeman. Joe’s seen improvement in Freeman. Schiano’s seen improvement in Freeman. McNulty’s seen improvement in Freeman. Sully’s seen improvement in Freeman. Dom’s seen improvement in Freeman. Jesus himself could come down from the sky and say the same thing. None of this means anything to the doubters. Which to me, makes me sit here and lmao.

  103. SteveK Says:

    Junkie,

    I am on the fence about Freeman becoming our QB, 50/50 IMHO.

    I am a die hard Buc fan, and you should not blame those who demand the best fro their team.

    Freeman was the best QB in football for 6/16 of last year. What we need is a QB to play consistently and apply their will to each game. We can’t have those kind of sh!tty games from Josh after a hot start. We can’t have another 5 game losing streak for the 3rd year in a row.

    We can’t be fed any more excuses, it is now or never.

    May Big Bird get a shot, if Josh can’t keep his act together.

    56 career starts vs ACC guy, it is a no brainer as to who our starting QB will be. However, I am all for seeing what Glennon has if Freeman’s play drops off a cliff like Wile E Coyote.

    2010 was 3 years ago, and I need to see that kind of play from Freeman this year in order to retain Free Faith. He broke my heart the last two years, and constantly comforted myself with thinking, “2010 was so good from Josh”.

    Freeman just needs to learn the offense this year, and step up into a legit QB.

    The time is now.

  104. Buc1987 Says:

    Freeman played like the best QB in football for 6/16 of last year. What we need is a QB that can keep your team competitive in 16/16 contests.

    Bottom line, playoffs in 2013 or we may be seeking a few changes.

    FINALLY someone that makes a REAL point. Thanks Steve.

  105. SteveK Says:

    Buc1987,

    You’ve seen potential flash from Freeman, not improvement.

    Improvement is granted with consistency.

    What we saw from Freeman was a brilliant flash of potential. No more.

  106. BigSombrero Says:

    Meaning I don’t know if Glennon can do it or if we can draft one that can but after 5 seasons, if Josh hasn’t put it together then I know he can’t. Or we could sit around for 5 more seasons with a QB that can’t be counted on against quality opponents.

    Looking at past production what is the worst Glennon could do? He could be an inaccurate, inconsistent turnover machine that leads us to a losing season. Sounds like Freeman to me except Glennon will do it at a much cheaper price.

    Again, that is if Free doesn’t pull it together now.

  107. Buc1987 Says:

    Joe’s seen improvement in Freeman. Schiano’s seen improvement in Freeman. McNulty’s seen improvement in Freeman. Sully’s seen improvement in Freeman. Dom’s seen improvement in Freeman.

    In this years training camp. They still might be blowing smoke to sell tickets or something or to boost Freeman’s confidence. It’s just not how I take it though. I mean Joe does not care about tickets sales.

  108. Buc'n Junkie Says:

    Like I said Stevek, same old argument. We all agree Freeman needs to do better. That doesn’t change the fact that he is our starting QB.

    You don’t put conditions on being a fan. That’s redonkulous.

  109. Buc1987 Says:

    @BigSombrero …wow we come to an agreement. It’s really not that hard though to see the writing on the wall. This being his 5th year he better damn well show up to every game. Sure I’ll allow for a lapse here and there but not on a consistent basis. No way, not this year. I think everyone even Junkie knows this. I think he’s going to go out and prove the past is in the past. I think he’s going to light it up this year. If I’m wrong. Ship him to Canada for all I care.

    Oh and BTW the comment I made yesterday in this thread at 4:15 pm about Glennon was just to rile the room like the Freeman haters do.

    Mike Glennon Is Not Ready
    Translation : Glennon sucks!

    ^^^just riling people up

  110. Buc1987 Says:

    Dude I was at last Thursday’s pre-season game. If you were in my section and heard a guy yelling come on Mikey every time Glennon was on the field. That was me.

  111. BigSombrero Says:

    I have seen plenty of articles on this site that praise Free and I have seen plenty that criticize him. Throughout his career he has been up and down. Thats indisputable. Throughout this training camp he has been up and down. Thats well documented. Schiano might not hate Freeman like the media suggest but Free wouldve had a contract, like Mike Williams, if the Bucs believed in him. Waiting until after the season is only going to up his price if he performs well. They aren’t sold and rightfully so, he hasn’t played up to par. Sticking with a sub par player at any position is bad enough, specifically at QB. Moving on from Free wont kill this team if he doesn’t perform much better, worst case scenario is that it doesn’t help.

  112. Buc'n Junkie Says:

    @BigSombrero

    Seriously, do you really think that Coach Schiano is going to play Glennon because you said so? How is it you know more than my Coach? How is it you know more than our entire coaching staff. You’re ready to possibly throw away the season to experiment with a rookie QB? And you think that Dominik and Coach Schiano are ready to put their jobs on the line over a rookie?

    It’s easy to play manager when it’s not your job on the line.. jeeze

  113. Couch Fan Says:

    You don’t put conditions on being a fan. That’s redonkulous.

    ———————————————————–

    Which nobody is doing. You seem to think not believing in a player means your not a fan which is equally “redonkulous”

  114. Buc1987 Says:

    Well I say 10-6 and Freeman plays better and more consistent than last year and the Bucs still miss the playoffs. Then he gets re-signed. That’s not my prediction though. As I’ve already stated on here before. Joe and few others think I’m crazy, but I’ve been called a lot worse. Atlanta and N.O. nor Carolina scare me. The Bucs are going to win the division this season. I’ve been it saying for about a month on here now, and I’ll keep saying it. So no one forgets who kept saying it back in August.

  115. Buc'n Junkie Says:

    @Couch

    That player your talking about happens to be the most important player on the team. He is the team general, not the longsnapper. If you root against him you’re essentially rooting against the team.

  116. Couch Fan Says:

    Again nobody is rooting against him. But he has 4 years of game time for people to make an opinion out of… who are you to say there opinion doesnt count and they arent a fan because YOU dont agree with it? LOL…

    You have the right to have blind faith. I and the others who dont believe Freeman has what it takes also have a right to there opinion. This does not question any part of Fandom.

    Everybody here supports the Bucs, except for a select few. YOU are not qualified to tell anybody who is and isnt a real fan.

  117. Buc'n Junkie Says:

    I don’t know how Freeman will play this year, but I’m hoping he plays lights out. Will he? I don’t know, but I will give him my unconditional support until the Coach says otherwise. If Glennon is called upon then I will support him as well.

    You see I don’t put conditions on being a fan.

  118. Buc1987 Says:

    lol Hey now Junkie my cousin was a Bucs long snapper…..easy buddy.

  119. Buc1987 Says:

    Couch Fan just tell him you support Freeman and get it over with.

  120. Buc1987 Says:

    I learned how important a long snapper actually is when he played.

  121. Buc'n Junkie Says:

    @ couch

    Again nobody is rooting against him. But he has 4 years of game time for people to make an opinion out of… who are you to say there opinion doesnt count and they arent a fan because YOU dont agree with it? LOL…
    _____________________________________________________________

    So when did you become their spokesman, How the HELL do you know their not rooting against Freeman? I haven’t read a damn thing that leads me to believe differently.

  122. Buc1987 Says:

    I also learned even if your a team mate of Warren Sapp he still won’t sign for you. Tremendous player, a-hole person.

  123. Buc1987 Says:

    I didn’t believe in Shaun King but I still rooted for him.

  124. Buc1987 Says:

    Any minute now…I think Junkie’s going to pull out that crazy pic of what he thinks you look like again Couch Fan.

  125. Couch Fan Says:

    So when did you become their spokesman, How the HELL do you know their not rooting against Freeman? I haven’t read a damn thing that leads me to believe differently.

    ————————————————————-

    Oh ok then show me where someone has said they dont want Freeman to succeed. That would be rooting against him.

    @Buc1987
    I support Freeman. I want him to be great. Do I actually think he will is a different story.

  126. Buc1987 Says:

    It’s the constant tearing him down I think right Junkie? It looks as if they don’t want him to succeed. As if there is no hope for the Bucs because of him. Which is why I said 2 hrs ago on this thread if you think like that, then why bother watching the team or following them this season? It should be an utter failure if you feel so strongly about your beliefs.

  127. Buc1987 Says:

    It’s been 7 minutes where are you Junkie? Scrolling the site looking for hatred?

  128. Buc'n Junkie Says:

    Good night Buc fans! I can’t wait to watch some more new players tomorrow. I going to have my eye on this new FB Joe was talking about. And I hope Freeman, Glennon, Orlovsky, and the longsnapper do great!

  129. Buc1987 Says:

    I guess those on the fence about Freeman can just hope for the best then? I mean hope that they are wrong? They did have what 18 mil in cap space they could have probably brought someone in besides a rookie to compete with him. I don’t know. I just think the organization still does believe in Freeman or they would have traded him away and brought in say Alex Smith. Although I think Smith is going to suck in KC this year. It really is put up or shut up for Freeman this year and his believers.

  130. BucoBruce Says:

    Glennon is the next Brady mark my words!

  131. Buc1987 Says:

    lol yeah it’s late. I have to get to bed too. Maybe we all can fight about it some more tommorow when Joe posts another article about Freeman throwing a bad pass or something.

  132. BucoBruce Says:

    Glennon is the next Tom Brady, mark my words!

  133. Buc'n Junkie Says:

    87 ^^^ that’s exactly what I mean. Their arguments are always hatefully implied. When you see and hear it over and over by the same hellbound individuals it don’t take a rocket scientist to know what they are implying.

  134. Couch Fan Says:

    Yea they are implying they are not convinced he is our QB of the future…. And they shouldn’t act as such. But I guess real fans are “brainless twits with blind faith who arent allowed to have negative opinions of anyone on the entire team.”

  135. Illuminati Says:

    You be the GM:

    Let’s say Freeman has a mediocre season. Let’s say by then Glennon has developed to the point that we think he could give us as many wins as Freeman could in 2014, even though Glennon would still be unproven.

    Do you give Freeman a new contract, or do you hit him with the non-exclusive franchise tag?

    There are several teams in this league that would be better with Freeman than with their present QB, so we would get two first-round picks for Freeman.

    The way I see it, this is a very likely reality. Freeman has all the potential in the world, but hasn’t demonstrated any reliability from one Sunday to the next. He’s been streaky and inconsistent, and constantly has “miscommunication” issues with his receivers.

    Glennon is raw and untested, but has much the same upside as Freeman.

    The way that this has all unfolded makes perfect business sense. Freeman has a big year, he’s our guy, and he gets paid. If he doesn’t, we get two first round picks for him, and move on.

    I’ll still be fan either way.

  136. Buc'n Junkie Says:

    ^^^ How do you get draft picks out of a FA? How do you know Josh would want to sign with Tampa again anyway? I mean, Why the Hell would he?

  137. Illuminati Says:

    @Junkie

    He’s won’t be a free agent if we tag him.

  138. Buc'n Junkie Says:

    You can tag him all day long but he doesn’t have to sign the tender. If he doesn’t sign the tender and after a certain amount of time he can still look at other offers. You can’t trade a tagged player unless he signs his tender.

  139. Illuminati Says:

    @Junkie

    He would get an offer sheet from another team. We would not match the offer. We would get two first round picks. He wouldn’t have to sign our tender.

  140. Buc'n Junkie Says:

    Unless there are stipulations in Freeman’s current contract he could be traded up until the trade deadline which is the Tuesday after the sixth week of the season.

    But I doubt the Bucs would do that. Goodnite..

  141. Buc'n Junkie Says:

    If he doesn’t sign after the tag the Bucs would get 2 picks but they can’t trade him for it. I got you.

  142. Buc'n Junkie Says:

    Plus Dominik has never used the tag.

  143. Illuminati Says:

    He tagged Connor Barth last year.

  144. BigSombrero Says:

    Why is it that every Free fan boy is putting words in my mouth. Buc’n Junkie, you obviously didn’t read my comments. I actually said Glennon won’t and shouldn’t start this season. Come on guys, debate is cool but at least make sense.

  145. PRBucFan Says:

    “Oh ok then show me where someone has said they dont want Freeman to succeed. That would be rooting against him.”

    @Couch

    Well Said

  146. PRBucFan Says:

    @Illuminati

    I understand what your saying and it makes absolute sense.
    I didn’t think of that and if he’s so valuable and as sought after as people say he will be it shouldn’t be out of the role of possibly.

  147. PRBucFan Says:

    realm*

  148. Joe Strummer Says:

    @Buc’n Junkie
    About your no home team pride in the Tampa media market, I fully agree, Tampa was, is and always will be a transient military town. I’ve lived in to many to count while I was active duty, these towns big or small are all basically the same, people from all other parts of the country who have relocated, 99% of the time against their will, to a town that is usually 900 miles (hyperbole) from anywhere, amazingly, the media is the same way, media people, especially those with national aspirations use towns like Tampa as way stations & stepping stones until they can catch on in another, larger market, of course they have to home team pride or loyalty, they’re looking to get the F out of Dodge and get to bigger and better places, just like all those Airmen, Sailors and Soliders.

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  150. Paul Says:

    He may not be ready, but he didn’t look as bad as that ridiculous spin article made him out to be.

  151. Couch Fan Says:

    Why is it that every Free fan boy is putting words in my mouth. Buc’n Junkie, you obviously didn’t read my comments.

    ———————————————–

    Making stuff up is the only way he can make a sensible point. He does that exact same thing to me repeatedly.

 
 

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