Shaun King Goes National With Dominik Criticism

June 7th, 2013

Former Bucs quarterback Shaun King’s failing grades for rockstar general manager Mark Dominik moved from Tampa Bay airwaves and Internet space to the national NBC Sports Network studios yesterday.

NBC NFL guru Mike Florio asked King, who is a busy analyst for NBC, to explain his harsh critiques of Dominik. King obliged. One of three quarterbacks to lead the Bucs to the NFC title game, King made it clear that he likes Dominik personally but can’t let that cloud his judgment.

“It has not been good,” King said of Dominik’s reign. King, among other takes, explained that the Bucs’ failed secondary of years past drove the Darrelle Revis trade, so Dominik shouldn’t be lauded for that bold move.

King went on to say he hears Bucs fans pounding him for his wide-sweeping Dominik criticism. “If you criticize [Dominik], it’s almost like they think you have something against him,” said King, who reminded viewers he has nothing against the Bucs GM.”

You can catch the entire interview below, which includes some impromptu rap by King.

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103 Responses to “Shaun King Goes National With Dominik Criticism”

  1. Walter Says:

    I have a feeling if we make the playoffs this year, King still wouldn’t give any credit to Dominick.

  2. WestCoastBucsFan Says:

    Here comes 100+ comments . . .

  3. bucs911 Says:

    I didn’t watch the link but King does have a point

  4. BigSombrero Says:

    His teammate called him out for having something personal against Dominik. I really don’t mind his criticism, he can say what he wants. But fans can react how they want to especially when it is known that his pov is skewed by bias.

  5. lightningbuc Says:

    “especially when it is known that his pov is skewed by bias.”

    How is it well know he’s biased? Because you don’t like his opinion?

  6. Don'tlikethedirtybirds Says:

    Dude King looks more like Sapp. Are we sure he played QB and not DT?

  7. WestCoastBucsFan Says:

    How about the marquee up towards the end of that segment:

    Buccaneers finish 7-9 in 2012
    (T-2nd in NFC SOUTH)

    That may just piss off a certain “realist”.

    So, Dominik put the team in that “secondary” situation last year? Maybe he should have had a crystal ball on hand to know that both of his starting corners would be injured/suspended/traded for most of the season. It could have been better but it wasn’t some massive overlook by Dom. If Talib and Wright were healthy/suspension free last season then we would have fared much better. You can’t exactly plan on losing two starters from the same position. Should they just keep four number one corners on the roster at all times?

    Give me a break.

    Dom certainly has made his mistakes but there is not a single person on the planet that can argue the fact that he has consistently improved every year as a GM. The drafts and signings have been better every year since he took over.

  8. BucSnob Says:

    He says he has nothing against Dom but it sure doesn’t seem that way. There are ways to state an opinion without attacking someone.

  9. WestCoastBucsFan Says:

    @Walter

    That would be correct. Along with the haters, King will say that the tremendous coaching by Schiano was able to overcome the lack of talent provided by Dom. It will be quite hilarious.

  10. lightningbuc Says:

    “The drafts and signings have been better every year since he took over.”

    No, the drafts and signings have been better since Schiano arrived – no coincidence, despite what WCBF says. A man who controls what temperature meeting rooms are at, what type of pasta should be served, etc. isn’t going to sit idly by and have no input into the players he wants in his first draft and just leave it entirely in the hands of the alleged “rock star”.

  11. Drew Says:

    All I can say to his comments is keep wolfing down the fat burgers.

  12. WestCoastBucsFan Says:

    A man who controls what temperature meeting rooms are at, what type of pasta should be served, etc. isn’t going to sit idly by and have no input into the players he wants in his first draft and just leave it entirely in the hands of the alleged “rock star”.

    Really? I never claimed he sits idly by while Dom drafts/signs players. (Except for the 2012 draft where Schiano himself said he wasn’t involved in very much. Unless he is just a liar?) They work together. (You know, like every single head coach/GM tandem in the NFL.)

    No, the drafts and signings have been better since Schiano arrived – no coincidence, despite what WCBF says.

    Really? So, the 2011 draft wasn’t ANY better than the 2010 draft? The 2012 draft wasn’t any better than the 2011 draft? The punter that stevek loves to hate was signed in 2011, that wasn’t any better than Derrick Ward? If that is what you think then you are delusional.

  13. Couch Fan Says:

    I think Shaun King speaks more about Dom’s overall record than the little things he does behind the scenes. When speaking about his overall record I agree with him in the fact 24-40 or whatever it is, is bad so in that sense he is correct. But I do agree that Dom has got better and better, regardless of whether its due to Schiano or not.

  14. Fred Says:

    “King…. one of three bucs quarterbacks to lead them to the NFC Championship game.”

    You have got to stop that crap Joe. Sure, king was on the team, but he was not even in the top 10 leaders on that team.

  15. stevek Says:

    West Coast,

    Stop trolling for your Uncle Dom, you are being toolsy.

  16. lightningbuc Says:

    The only place I’ve ever seen it referenced that Schiano wasn’t involved very much in the 2012 draft is on here. I can find no actual quote where Schiano ever said that. I could be wrong, WCBF, and would love for you to prove he said that from someone other than a person who gave Dom the moniker “rock star”.

  17. stevek Says:

    West Coast,

    Schiano had a say in the 2012 draft. He was modestly saying he did not, but no doubt his imprints were on some of those picks.

    You probably thought we were taking Morris Claibourne instead of Mark Barron, huh?

  18. stevek Says:

    Dominick is doing a much better job, since Schaino got here.

    Schiano has changed the culture at 1 Buc Palace, no doubt.

  19. stevek Says:

    West Coast,

    We overpaid for that punter, and WASTED a 6th round pick on one too.

    Nice try, keepem coming! :)

    Despite your attitude today, I still like picking apart your mirage of an outtake. :)

  20. Raphael Says:

    Pillsbury dough boy is being a troll , that’s all. He will say anything to get attention….sad but true .

    Rock star has had successes and failures like a lot of GM’s…
    We are in a great Salary cap position now unlike when Bruce allen was here.

    Dominik >>> Bruce Allen

  21. Raphael Says:

    @ Stevek. “That punter ” name is Michael Koenen …lol@ you not knowing name…

    Epic fail .

    Btw it was a great move , the guy puts it in the end zone and is a great punter

  22. stevek Says:

    Raphael,

    You are such a silly goose, I was refering to Michael Koenan’s, drafted in the 6th round, predesessor: Brent Bowden.

    Dom gets no pats on the back for that.

    Koenan’s leg isn’t what it use to be.

    You may enjoy Michael Koenan, shoot he plays enough.

  23. BigSombrero Says:

    @lightningbuc – Booger called him out recently for his known bias. Booger being his teammate with knowledge of the situation, took King to task for it. He is bias against the Bucs in general due to a perceived slight.

  24. mark Says:

    King is nothing, the defense was great then, not offense. If he was so good, why didn’t he win the SB. Nope Brad Johnson did. KIng just go stuff yourself some more to drown your disappointment about not being the greatest QB. I guess your still mad the bucs dropped you. BUC HATER.

  25. BigSombrero Says:

    Again, I am fine with Kings comments but he is biased.

  26. WestCoastBucsFan Says:

    Try the Bucs website where he was interviewed saying as much. And, are you implying Joe is lying about it?

    I can’t find the video but it is on buccaneers.com but it is there.

    “Despite your attitude today, I still like picking apart your mirage of an outtake.”

    My mirage huh? Says the guy who evaluates a team based on how much the average points per game swings throughout the season. Says the same guy that thinks a quarterback can’t audible and bases it in its entirety around a single play in a single game. Says the guy trolling my conversation with someone else to call me a troll. Says the guy that thinks Michael Koenen isn’t any better than Derrick Ward. Says the guy that thinks Schiano was “being modest” when he frankly said he spectated the 2012 draft. I try to be nice stevek but your comments just continue to get more insulting. You use absolutely NO LOGIC to come to any one of your random conclusions about anything.

    You are such a silly goose . . .

    I’m not touching that one . . .

  27. TimBucTwo@OneBucPalace Says:

    It pains me to think that Joe has an axe to grind with Dominik and in a subtle indirect way uses Shaun Kings rants to actually voice his own opinion. Why else give Shaun the bully pulpit, unless in some fashion Joe actually agrees with him.

  28. stevek Says:

    WCBF,

    Freeman’s missed audible in Dallas was at CRUNCH TIME.

    I never said anything about Derrick Ward or Michael Koenan.

    You are off your rocker, buddy.

    Schiano had a say in the 2012 draft class, maybe not as much as he was involved this year, but the man had a say.

    “No Logic” is your complete and utter apologist outlook for Freeman, always looking to bolster his mediocre status.

    I will use logic all day long, and you get upset because you have a VERY NARROW LINE OF SIGHT.

    Settle down over there “Sister Christian”.

    Do you think we won a trophy last year for last place in the division? You sure make it sound that way.

    So ask me a question, or make a BS point. The discussion board awaits.

  29. BigSombrero Says:

    I don’t think Joe has an axe to grind with Dom at all. He actually gives him more credit than most fans. Obviously whenever he posts a write up about King, it brings in the comments. Though it is tough to defend King as a legit analyst when, as I said before, his own teammates call him out for having an axe to grind with the Bucs. I think King likes the franchise and the history of the Bucs, he just doesn’t like anything about the current regime and FO and he doesn’t like anything they do which means he doesn’t like the players they bring in.

  30. 1neb Says:

    Let keep something understood . you do what you are taught and Dom was taught a lot of bad traits that he has learned from . we all know Dom has been on our staff for some time now in some shape size or form . but if you look a the staff that was under rich McKay and Dungy they all have good teaching . However when Dom began to come up the ranks he learned from the great and almighty Bruce Allen . we know how that went . they didn’t draft they searched the hospitals and nursing homes . you can’t hit on all the draft picks but he is getting better and he want to get better and he shows that by surrounding his self with great football minds .

  31. WestCoastBucsFan Says:

    Freeman’s missed audible in Dallas was at CRUNCH TIME.

    Again, you base your claims on a single instance in a single game. (Not to mention that it was early in the season and I’m sure the offense was still being learned but the players.)

    I never said anything about Derrick Ward or Michael Koenan.

    My original comment was about Dom improving every year in signings and drafts. A picked Koenen as the signing that was better than the one made the year before. (Derrick Ward.) Then you followed it up with criticism of Koenen.

    Schiano had a say in the 2012 draft class, maybe not as much as he was involved this year, but the man had a say.

    Yes, there were two guys taken from his conference that he had input on, Tandy and Goode, that was it.

    “No Logic” is your complete and utter apologist outlook for Freeman, always looking to bolster his mediocre status.

    “No logic” is what you use when evaluating teams. Go on, please, tell everybody here how and why the offense let this team down because of how much the average points per game changed throughout the season. I would be happy to see you embarrass yourself again.

    Do you think we won a trophy last year for last place in the division?

    The video claims the Bucs were second in the division . . . (Albeit tied.)

    I have said this MANY times but I guess it bears repeating. Freeman has issues. He had issues last year. BUT his issues were NOT the reason we lost nine games. The defense was. The numbers don’t lie:

    Defense:

    Stat – Average – (League rank)

    PTS – 24.6 – (23rd)
    YDS – 379.9 – (29th)
    PASS YDS – 297.4 – (32nd)
    RUSH YDS – 82.5 – (1st)

    Offense

    PTS – 24.3 – (13th)
    YDS – 363.8 – (9th)
    PASS YDS – 248.9 – (10th)
    RUSH YDS – 114.8 – (15th)

    The offense was a top half of the league unit in every category while the defense was a bottom third rank in almost every category. (And, most importantly, the worst in the league for the part of the defense that holds leads.)

  32. 1neb Says:

    I try not to hate on anyone . I was always taught before you scrutinized someones job ask yourself can you do it better and if so why didn’t they hire you . so as far as Shaun king goes he is doing his job its just unfortunate that when we here him speak its almost always in some sort of negative perspective . but he was like that in high school when I played against him . So go bucs and let’s get this stadium rocking this year and make this run baby !!!!!!!

  33. Drew Says:

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    Ding Ding Ding.

    STEVEK with an explosive flurry of right hands hits nothing but air.

    WCBF nails STEVEK with an over hand counter punch and STEVEK hits the mat with a thud.

    1 2 3 4 5 6 7 STEVEK finds the strength to lift himself off the mat.

    OMG!!! STEVEK just ripped the heart out of WCBF.

    WCBF hits the mat for the last time folks, it’s over, it’s a draw.

    STEVEK and WCBF, you guys are entertaining at least.

  34. Christopher Says:

    Dominik was hamstrung with a duo (Allen & Gruden) who COULD NOT draft talent, & was forcibly given a coach was wasn’t even ready to be a defensive coordinator, much less a head coach. True, he & Rah botched the Jeff Jags OC hiring, which led to the Greg Olsen debacle…& Dom up until last year was a joke in free agency…but inheriting zero talent, having a joke of a coach he didn’t hire, & now entering the 2nd year of a coach he DID hire…we’ll see. If Dom doesn’t make the playoffs this year, he deserves to go, because 5 years with no playoffs is not acceptable. (Ad hominem alert)…& seeing how little discipline King showed in barely showing up to his radio show, &, um, showing way too much to the world now (funny how Super Bowl champs like Trent Dilfer & Brad Johnson don’t double their size sans playing) just doesn’t lead me to believe King knows a whole lot about the discipline & intelligence it takes to run a whole organization. He’s got an intriguing personality…but that & once riding the best defense ever doesn’t mean you know what you’re talking about…

  35. Couch Fan Says:

    Umm… so let me get this right. 1 of the reasons you discredit King’s knowledge because he gained more weight after football than most others?

  36. lightningbuc Says:

    WCBF,

    “Try the Bucs website where he was interviewed saying as much. And, are you implying Joe is lying about it?

    I can’t find the video but it is on buccaneers.com but it is there.”

    Can’t find it but it’s there, huh? Exactly.

    Not calling Joe a liar, just wanting someone to verify it kind of like you did yesterday regarding my comments about Freeman.

  37. Bobby Says:

    If you are excited about the Bucs then you have to be excited about Dom because nearly the entire team is his. To think the Bucs are going to be contenders and then in the same breath claim Dom sucks at bringing in talent is ridiculous. Dom is brilliant at what he does and this team is about to prove just how good he is. Oh don’t worry…I’ll remind you about it all next year when you’re trying to say you were on board with Dom the whole time.

  38. SteveK Says:

    Bobby,

    This is Greg’s team.

    Dom is doing better nowadays, but the man is still 24-40. Playoffs this year would be huge, and is an expectation.

  39. @eric Says:

    Jenny Craig fat man…..what a tool….you should be mad at Griden not Dom…coach didn’t believe in you..

  40. TrueBlue Says:

    I saw the video. Schiano clearly stated he was too busy trying to find coaches to do the necessary work in reviewing for the draft. Credited Dom for doing most of the work. No doubt Schiano offered some input as any head coach would, but it was clear he wasn’t up to snuff when looking over the potential draft prospects.

  41. WestCoastBucsFan Says:

    @lightningbuc

    I searched for it but I can’t find. There isn’t exactly a great way to search videos. I thought it was on buccaneers.com but now I think it may not be. I searched every video under “schiano” on nfl.com which was only about 40 videos with huge gaps of time in between them and didn’t find it. Buccaneers.com doesn’t really have any sort of filtering system other than by “type” of video so it is a long process and I am not really sure it warrants the effort when the claim is backed by Joe himself who hasn’t exactly been known to lie before.

    @SteveK

    Not sure if you saw it but I may have made a small response to your comment. (Unless there is a difference between “stevek” and “SteveK”, which would be weird but not impossible.)

    @Drew

    Nice post. That genuinely made me laugh.

  42. WestCoastBucsFan Says:

    @TrueBlue

    Thanks man. I knew I wasn’t alone.

    It doesn’t really matter though. There is no amount of facts that will sway stevek’s undying conviction that Schiano had everything to do with the 2012 draft while Dom grabbed Starbucks. Its laughable that someone can maintain such a stance despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary.

  43. Walter Says:

    This shouldn’t even be an argument.

    The offense was top ten

    The defense was 2nd worst all time in pass D, which happens to be the worst area to struggle in today’s NFL.

    Fix the defense, we will make the playoffs, it doesn’t have to be great, just solid. Luckily, ours can be pretty good if things pan out.

  44. Kalind Says:

    I just criticize King for being the stupid kid in class. Can’t give credit for the bold move? What GM has a flawless record or drafting? God what a moron. He should have been fired forever ago. When mistakes happen – and they will happen….to everyone- you have to rectify it. Dom has. Lay off, Shaun.

    I’d like King to cite a GM that has done better in bringing in talent the last three years? Who Shaun? …jackass

  45. SteveK Says:

    Ok WBCBF,

    *disclaimer: this is outside the box*

    Josh Freeman’s psyche thus far, as our “leader” and QB, has been inconsistent like his play.

    As Freeman goes, so do we. Aside from the statistics, Freeman made excuses in post loss pressers, “Miscommunications”,”headset failure in Dallas” (yet we do the same thing to RG3 later in the year at home and he beats us).

    Freeman’s physical gifts, and inability to hone his skill to a consistent output is exhausting for a young team. Guys are out here trying to prove their worth, and establish their careers, but they don’t have a consistent player at QB.

    Our Pass D was horrendous, Doug Martin was sensational, and Vincent Jackson stepped up. Now, we need our QB to take that next step. Ronde himself said Freeman is “teetering”. Which Josh will be our QB next year? It is a fair question.

    17 Interceptions last year vs. 6 picks in 2010 is deflating. Granted most of those picks came in two games, but those were two games after our 6-4 start.

    A young team looking to take the next step, needs a QB to do his job consistently. Freeman is either brilliant or dog sh!t, with zero in between.

    Good thing we drafted the in between.

    I hope Freeman takes the next step, as it is also a contract year. I believe Schiano wants to see Freeman take the next step, too. The whole team would love to see our QB play like it is 2010 again.

    The coaching changes have been stressful, but rookies and young QBs across the league are doing it. The Bucs should believe they can do it too.

    Playoffs in 2013, and we need Freeman to LEAD us their. No more bad Josh, or else.

  46. Couch Fan Says:

    I have said this MANY times but I guess it bears repeating. Freeman has issues. He had issues last year. BUT his issues were NOT the reason we lost nine games. The defense was. The numbers don’t lie:
    ————————————————————-

    The defense shares a majority of the blame. But to deny Freeman had anything to do with us losing 9 games is silly. You sit here and say its a team game to defend his record then turn around and blame the entire defense and subsequently give josh a pass. You just said josh has issues then fail to recognize those issues did cost us a few games by blameing it ALL on the defense. You talk out both sides of your mouth when it comes to Freeman.

  47. SteveK Says:

    ^^^ Sensible words Couch, +1.

  48. WestCoastBucsFan Says:

    @SteveK (What is with the different spelling of the name? “stevek” versus “SteveK”?)

    Not sure what any of that has to do with my post but sure, why not?

    And I don’t know if a gathering of all of your regurgitated statements from every article over the last two months is “outside the box”. (Seriously, do you just have all of this stuff copied somewhere to repost it every single day?)

    I will say this again for you. Freeman doesn’t need to improve one iota. (Not that it would hurt.) If he has the EXACT same production with a top 20 defense (not asking too much in my opinion) then this is a playoff team. If Freeman has the same numbers but all of a sudden there isn’t a defense trying to set a 93 year record of futility and we make the playoffs, what will you say?

    Actually, I can tell you exactly how it will go down for all the Freeman “doubters”. If Freeman has the same year but with an improved defense and we make the playoffs *EVERYBODY* will talk about how much he has improved. (Despite having the same numbers.) Write it down.

    The only problem with this is that Freeman’s numbers will almost certainly improve. He gets the exact same offense and offensive coordinator. He gets two pro bowl guards back. Another off season with Doug Martin, Vincent Jackson, and Mike Williams. There has been zero negatives for Freeman this offseason. (Aside from being falsely accused as “a drunk” and “an A-hole”.) All of this added up means that something tragic would have to happen for Freeman NOT to exceed his 2012 production.

    You will soon find out why some crazy people believe this is still a team sport.

    @Couch Fan

    You just said josh has issues then fail to recognize those issues did cost us a few games by blameing it ALL on the defense.

    Maybe I was a bit broad in that statement. Forgive me. Let me rephrase it, just a bit:

    . . . BUT his issues were NOT the reason we [didn't make the playoffs]. . .

    Is that better now? My point was that had the defense been something other than historically bad that the Bucs would have most likely made the playoffs and we would all be talking about how great of a season Freeman had despite posting the same exact numbers that all of a sudden make him “the reason” we didn’t make the post season.

  49. Bobby Says:

    @SteveK…No, this is Dom’s team. He’s the one who brought in Greg. The talent he surrounds Schiano with is his. That’s why they hire a GM. I’m sure when they get in the meeting rooms Schiano has his input into what type of player they are looking for but the bottom line is no GM is going to hang their job on letting a second year HC do the drafting. If you think Schiano is pulling the strings then it is no wonder the posts on here sound so uniformed at times. Schiano was hired for one thing…to coach. Not to be a talent scout, not to take Dom’s place as GM…just to coach. He has said so himself but if you want to believe he’s lying then please…feel free to live in that little fantasy world. I’m sure Greg had more input last year than he did in 2012 but if there are ever disagreements believe me..Dom will win.

  50. Bobby Says:

    I meant more input ‘this year’ than 2012.

  51. Hawaiian Buc Says:

    Nothing moves the needle like a little Shawn King

  52. WestCoastBucsFan Says:

    Sensible words Bobby, +1.

    (I thought that was cute SteveK.)

    Although, I do agree with Bobby. The two work together but the coach will coach and the GENERAL MANAGER will manage the team. To assume otherwise is asinine.

  53. Vic66 Says:

    King just should STFU! He hates our team because he was cut.

  54. Couch Fan Says:

    . . . BUT his issues were NOT the reason we [didn't make the playoffs]. . .

    Is that better now? My point was that had the defense been something other than historically bad that the Bucs would have most likely made the playoffs and we would all be talking about how great of a season Freeman had despite posting the same exact numbers that all of a sudden make him “the reason” we didn’t make the post season.

    ——————————————————————–
    But his play did contribute to not making the playoffs correct?

    I’m not foolish enough to blame the whole season on him but you can’t blame it all on the defense either. If you say no he didnt contribute to the lack of playoffs last year then in essence you are saying Freeman played perfect… Which we all know is garbage.

    I’m just tired of hearing all the blame being put on the defense as if Freeman played all pro football last year and is blameless.

  55. WestCoastBucsFan Says:

    But his play did contribute to not making the playoffs correct?

    Contribute is the correct word. Contribute. Something the defense did not do at all last season.

    Yes, Freeman could have played better to try and compensate for such a terrible defense but should that be expected? Freeman hasn’t proven to be “Brady” status so why should he be expected to out weigh horrendous deficiencies elsewhere on the team?

    I’m not blaming 100% of the losses on the defense. I am just saying, if Freeman performed at the same level but the defense finished somewhere in 18 -22 overall range, then this is playoff team. That means that while Freeman COULD have played better, the defense NEEDED to play better and it simply couldn’t.

    It is far more reasonable to expect a top 20 defense then it is to expect a top ten offense. The defense was the core of our problems last year.

  56. Bobby Says:

    ^^^^^That is Correct^^^^

  57. Couch Fan Says:

    Thats good enough for me. As long as you acknowledge the defense wasn’t the only problem then im all good.

  58. WestCoastBucsFan Says:

    ^^^Sounds good to me!^^^

  59. lightningbuc Says:

    “If Freeman has the same year but with an improved defense and we make the playoffs *EVERYBODY* will talk about how much he has improved.”

    And when he does, *EVERYBODY* will talk about how Raheem was so smart to insist that the Bucs trade up to draft him, and how Dom deserves absolutely no credit for Freeman since, despite him being GM, he had absolutely nothing to do with it. (well, at least according to WCBF)

  60. SombreoBro Says:

    I can only hope that Shaun King has a massive hamburger-induced heart-attack mid-sentence while slamming the GM.
    What a waste of space.

  61. WestCoastBucsFan Says:

    @lightningbuc

    ” . . . he had absolutely nothing to do with it.”

    Gonna have to stop you there. I never once claimed Dom had “nothing to do it”. Such a statement is asinine. Of course the Gm had something to do with it. I only relayed information passed on by Joe and other reporters, oh and some guys by the name of Raheem and Dom. Both of whom said Raheem’s year of experience with Freeman had A LOT to do with the drafting of Freeman.

    And I just have to quote Joe here:

    “Only a complete dumbass of a rookie general manager wouldn’t listen to a coach that had a strong history with a potential first round draft pick at a position the rookie general manger and coach were all but ordered to select (i.e., Raheem and Josh Freeman).”

  62. BigMacAttack Says:

    I think Shaun Burger King reads JoeBucsFan, because King takes areal beating on this site from posters.

    After a Shaun King thread goes down, he looks more like Rodney King.

    Please step away from the …..

    I don’t give a $h!t what anyone thinks of OUR team and their mgmnt. I care about what I think, Joes and a few of you guys. Everyone else can lick a big one. This team is fixen to kick some serious NFC buttttts.

    I’m stoked and counting down the days baby!!!

    Go Bucs !!!!!!!!!!

  63. WestCoastBucsFan Says:

    After a Shaun King thread goes down, he looks more like Rodney King.

    Literally laughed out loud. Good stuff man.

  64. lightningbuc Says:

    WCBF,

    Quote Joe all you want. I would expect the person who gave Dom the “rock star” moniker (even though he defers his first round picks to rookie head coaches who have never been the head coach of any team before) to defend him at all costs. Just because Joe is the purveyor of this site doesn’t mean he is the end all, know all.

  65. SteveK Says:

    WCBF,

    Schiano has had 2 good drafts in his tenure. Expect to see results this year.

    Roses are red

    the Panthers wear blue

    the defense sucked

    and Freeman did too.

  66. WestCoastBucsFan Says:

    @lightningbuc

    Good point. Some random commenter is the know all?

    Your continued ignorance of the fact that Raheem spent a year with Freeman says it all.

    Quote Joe all you want . . .

    Don’t mind if I do:

    Absolutely no one on the Bucs staff — and likely no one in the NFL — had more knowledge about Freeman than Morris did.

    If you are suggesting Raheem didn’t influence Dominik’s decision — which Dominik, Morris and even Bryan Glazer has spoken about — then you need an intervention.

    The difference between Dominik and Raheem/Dominik and Schiano in their respective first drafts is Raheem had a clear history with Freeman. Schiano had zero — repeat: ZEE-roe — history with Mark Barron, Doug Martin or Lavonte David.

    The only guys Schiano had any history with was the West Virginia duo and Leonard Johnson.
    Even Schiano has stated he didn’t have that much influence in last year’s draft because he didn’t have the amount of time to study college players as the guys on the Bucs’ staff had because largely because of the late date of his hire and also because he was studying his own players on his roster.

    @SteveK

    Very cute. You were lousy at defending your views so you have moved on to “poetry”. Keep it up, it suits you. (Keep the day job though, just in case.)

  67. Joe Says:

    Lightning Buc:

    Quote Joe all you want. I would expect the person who gave Dom the “rock star” moniker (even though he defers his first round picks to rookie head coaches who have never been the head coach of any team before) to defend him at all costs.

    Guess you have never read Joe ragging on Myron Lewis?

    Guess you never read about Joe ragging on Dominik for letting Cadillac Williams walk away and trying to replace him with Kregg Lumpkin?

    Last time Joe checked, those were Dominik’s moves and Joe was never shy about how those two moves were/are awful.

    Carry on with your narrative.

  68. Joe Says:

    Schiano has had 2 good drafts in his tenure.

    So Schino was drafting for the Bears years ago???

  69. WestCoastBucsFan Says:

    BTW, yes I will take the opinion of a well respected reporter who makes a living covering Bucs every second of every day over that of some commenter who makes up stories no one else has heard.

  70. WestCoastBucsFan Says:

    Talk about getting demolished. Lightningbuc has resorted to questioning Joe’s credibility and SteveK has tried his hand as a poet. Just hilarious.

    NEXT!

  71. lightningbuc Says:

    Joe,

    At your request, I’ll carry on the narrative.

    When the “rock star” was duped by a couple of high schoolers eavesdropping on his telephone conversation with the Bills “rock star” there was nary a mention of it on here. Was in both Tampa papers, the NFL Network, ESPN, and many other media outlets, but nothing here. Not until the guys were to be sentenced was it referenced. Guess the story didn’t follow the “rock star” mantra enough.

  72. WestCoastBucsFan Says:

    If I may interject into your fruitless attempt to discredit Joe; the wiretapping incident was on Nix, not the “rock star”. Dom received a phone call and Nix was on the other end. Should Dom have expected someone pranked Buddy Nix to set up the call? Nix was the one who foolishly attempted call, who he thought was, Dom back.

  73. PRBucFan Says:

    “The only place I’ve ever seen it referenced that Schiano wasn’t involved very much in the 2012 draft is on here. I can find no actual quote where Schiano ever said that. I could be wrong, WCBF, and would love for you to prove he said that from someone other than a person who gave Dom the moniker “rock star”.

    It wasn’t just referenced it was seen, Schiano himself stated he wasn’t able to be too involved with last year’s draft because his attention had to be elsewhere with him forming his staff.

  74. RastaMon Says:

    I must have missed the part of the story…..Mt.Rushmore/Buccaneer …
    will be carved into # 10 AZZ…it gets bigger all the time !!

  75. Joe Says:

    When the “rock star” was duped by a couple of high schoolers eavesdropping on his telephone conversation with the Bills “rock star” there was nary a mention of it on here. Was in both Tampa papers, the NFL Network, ESPN, and many other media outlets, but nothing here. Not until the guys were to be sentenced was it referenced. Guess the story didn’t follow the “rock star” mantra enough.

    Joe didn’t run with it for very good reason. It was both clearly an off-the-record conversation and an illegally obtained conversation. Just because the local papers and other websites decided to run with it doesn’t mean Joe was going to stoop to Deadspin’s level.

    For Joe, “off-the-record” is sacrosanct. If that’s not sleezy enough for you, that’s your problem.

  76. Joe Says:

    It wasn’t just referenced it was seen, Schiano himself stated he wasn’t able to be too involved with last year’s draft because his attention had to be elsewhere with him forming his staff.

    Stop with the facts!

  77. PRBucFan Says:

    HERE HERE !!! @BigMac jaja

  78. PRBucFan Says:

    @Joe

    Right? Lol

  79. lightningbuc Says:

    Since no one could provide me with any actual quotes from Schiano regarding the 2012 draft, I found a few of my own. From buccaneers.com in their recap of the 2012 draft:

    “Coincidentally, the Buccaneers selected Goode’s college roommate with their next pick, taking Mountaineers cornerback Keith Tandy in Round Six. Schiano was obviously very familiar with both defenders from his time in the Big East and respectively referred to them as “royal pains in the butt” during his Saturday evening wrap-up press conference. Tandy is versatile like his teammate and could eventually see some playing time at safety, but the Bucs are going to let him do what he feels comfortable doing early on.” HMM…maybe Schiano had something to do with the drafting of Goode and Tandy! Kind of like Rah had insider info on Freeman!

    “I think every time Mark and I watched tape he (Smith) would jump off the tape at you, just a different kind of speed than everybody else on the field,” said Schiano. “How we utilize that is going to be our job. We’ve got to make sure we find a way to utilize that speed and there are several different ways you can do it, but speed wins. This guy brings quite a bit of that as well as being a very athletic guy.” Why was Schiano watching tape of potential draft picks with Dominik – I thought he was too busy hiring coaches?

  80. SteveK Says:

    Joe,

    This drafted netted us Revis, hence the success.

    Schiano may have not been “too invloded” with the 2012 draft, but I would believe that he had some say in the picks.

    We shall see if the rest of the 2013 draft is a “success”, but the Revis factor is “success” worthy, barring health.

  81. PRBucFan Says:

    Sorry but that’s not our job lol, to provide you with proof haha

    You think because the information missed your ears somehow it makes the FACT that those words did come out of Schiano’s mouth any less legitimate? Negative ghost rider ;)

  82. WestCoastBucsFan Says:

    @lightningbuc

    Clearly you didn’t take the time to read my post. I will re-post the snippet you obviously overlooked:

    The only guys Schiano had any history with was the West Virginia duo and Leonard Johnson.

    The “West Virginia Duo” are Tandy and Goode. I said before that if Schiano had a say in any of the players drafted in 2012 it was those too. (Not that they have done anything of note anyway.)

    Why was Schiano watching tape of potential draft picks with Dominik – I thought he was too busy hiring coaches?

    Do you really think anybody is stupid enough to believe Schiano spent ZERO time looking at prospects? Of course he spent some time looking at a few prospects but there is simply no way he could join in on well over a year of scouting work and be caught up enough to tell Dom which players to draft.

    I was going to take another crack at trying to find that video but PRBucFan makes a great point. Several people here, including Joe, said they heard those statements from Schiano. That means the burden is on you to find it. Not me or anyone else.

  83. BigMacAttack Says:

    Good for you Joe. I love you man. You have integrity and a good old fashion work ethic. Many people in the Press could could take a lesson from you my friend.

    There’s only one King on this site and you’re it.

    Bro Hugs All Around.

  84. Joe Says:

    SteveK:

    Schiano may have not been “too invloded” with the 2012 draft, but I would believe that he had some say in the picks.

    Yes.

  85. SteveK Says:

    Thanks Joe!

    West Coast, Schiano was involved with the 2012 draft. You can quote Joe on that.

  86. PRBucFan Says:

    Obviously ;)

  87. WestCoastBucsFan Says:

    Lol, you win stevek.

  88. Fish Says:

    Here is my response to King’s jackasserie (yes, I am aware that is not a word):

    http://nflsfuture.com/2013/06/04/roster-report-tampa-bay-bucs-new-kings-of-the-south/

    JOE: Please stop sparking conflict with Shaun King. He obviously has some skewed perspective of Dominik and obviously attracts attention. We get it. You’re running a business. It makes you money.

    For those of us who are legitimate participants in your blog and comment sections, please get rid of King and his uninformed comments. I know you’re feeding the masses with controversy but it sure as hell seems to be pissing a lot of your loyal fans off, including me.

    He’s a moron and if the attention wasn’t drawing more attention to your site, you would be saying the same… You can even see it in your posts.

  89. WestCoastBucsFan Says:

    @Fish

    Is that your blog that you are linking too? Just curious.

  90. Fish Says:

    @WCBF

    Does all of YOUR information come from your own brain and memory?

    At least I’m linking some additional data to support my point. Don’t whine about a legit link to back up my point. I’m not stealing a post after 90 comments or so if that’s what you’re insinuating.

  91. Fish Says:

    Why don’t you actually check out the link and learn something before you bash it. Full of good stuff. I’m a proponent of good info/data, hence the disconnect with Shaun King…

  92. WestCoastBucsFan Says:

    Really? Calm down man. I wasn’t bashing the link, just asking a question. I did in fact check it out. I asked if it was yours because it was in fact a great read. You said, “Here is my response . . .” and then posted a link. It appeared to me as though you were linking to your response. (Which I didn’t find, hence the question.)

    Either way, that was certainly a good read. Thank you for that. I will probably be re posting that for the hatorade slurpers tomorrow as they probably won’t see it.

    Also, Joe will never stop referencing King. It drives most of his readers nuts but it also drives traffic. I can’t say I blame him. I DO however dislike the intro for King every time he is mentioned. Peter King has 200 word intro which sometimes includes “circle-jerking” but a quarterback that was handed a legendary defense and couldn’t muster a single touchdown but is given credit for making it the NFC Championship game? That, to me, is a royal slap in the face to that defense.

  93. Architek Says:

    King is focused on the wrong things. That brother needs to shed some neck – it’s really getting out of hand.

    IJS – its hard to take him serious looking at him mouthbreathing and rapping.

  94. scubog Says:

    “Smoothie” took time to attempt to dispel the notion that he has a grudge against Mark Dominik by saying his brief time here was under the guidance of Richie McKay and Bruce Allen. But not so fast “King Size”; wasn’t a younger Mark Dominik the “Turk”? Was he the one who asked Shaun to turn in his playbook? What’s that saying? “Don’t kill the messenger.” The pride of Gibbs High would have a lot more credibility with me if every once in a while he applauded one of our GM’s actions instead of questioning each and every one.

  95. Joc Says:

    Google his drafts and free agent signings. It’s easy to evaluate. It’s hard not to give him ankle grade.

  96. bubashep Says:

    Shaun King<<<<cornbread

  97. BigMacAttack Says:

    I think King is a clown, but when Joe posts his rants it makes for spirited debate and good conversation IMO. I think it best not to take it personally, any of it. I think the National Buc Hate, that has been the trendy thing for so many years, is a good thing. Shaun King wants to sit at the popular table in the lunch room and may be some of the reasons for his outlandish Buc bashing. I bet Dominick could care less and its always cool when the Bucs play well and show it on the field. This is how you shut guys like King up is to walk the walk and beat up on your opponents. I think this is the year that this will happen, cough, cough, pending Josh Freeman’s head removal from buttocks.

  98. NeanderthalMan Says:

    Can someone tell me how this guy gets media time? Amazing

  99. Fish Says:

    @WCBF

    In that case, sorry about the snap. Last time I tried posting an interesting link on here I got bashed by another poster and even Joe for “stealing a post.” Whatever.

    Actually, the post from the link is from an Atlanta Falcons fan. At least our rivals’ fans are impressed with Dom…

  100. PRBucFan Says:

    Had to make it 100 lol :P

  101. JSmalls Says:

    Holly triple cheeseburger, Fatman!

  102. SeanyMac in SC Says:

    Clearly King is a person every Buc loves to hate. Joe must love all these repeat hits he gets on this site when King is even mentioned. Running up that hit counter is where the revenue comes in I suspect. I’m doing my part to run up the hit counter Joe!

  103. BuccoBill Says:

    Past players who bash the “Dominick” Bucs are washed up wanna-be’s who’s only identity is chained to the real stars of the old school. People like King and Beckles have to relentlessly bash to keep themselves relevant (not that they really were back in the day). The real stars give credit when it is due and criticize when it is due, but they do it with intelligence and perspective and they don’t beat a drum after they’ve made their point. They don’t have to because they walked the walk that they talk. Go Bucs!

 
 

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