Monte Kiffin, Your New Cowboys D-Coordinator

January 11th, 2013

For Bucs fans pining for the return of Monte Kiffin to run the Bucs defense, well, it’s time to turn the page and find another dream.

The renowned defensive mastermind, despite having his primary residence listed as Redington Beach, has just been hired by the Cowboys to run their defense, so reports ESPN.

Kiffin, who turns 73 in February, resigned as Southern Cal’s defensive coordinator last month after spending four years on his son Lane’s staffs at USC and Tennessee. He spent 26 years as an NFL assistant coach, including a 13-year run as Tampa Bay’s defensive coordinator before returning to college football in 2009.

Cue the Chucky-is-coming-to-Dallas rumor mongering, which Joe believes has a kernel of merit.

Unless something totally unforeseen happens, Bucs coach Greg Schiano will keep Bill Sheridan as his defensive lieutenant.

What is interesting to Joe is the Dallass defense is not stocked for a Tampa-2 type of a defense.

136 Responses to “Monte Kiffin, Your New Cowboys D-Coordinator”

  1. Miguel El Magnifico Says:

    If Gruden is hired, his first move would be to fire the Kwitter Kiffen.

  2. Hawaiian Buc Says:

    Love Kiffin, but this hire has disaster written all over it. Cowboys had a very good defense last year (when healthy), but now they switch to a 4-3, which doesn’t really fit their personnel. Jerry Jones reminds me of what would happen if a fan were GM of a team. He just goes for the biggest name, paying no attention to how he fits within their system. I really hope I’m right on this one, because the NFL is much better when the Cowgirls are losing.

  3. SilenceTheCritics Says:

    I think this was a bad move. The tampa 2 was great back in the day but its out dated. Good QBs will pick it apart until a mistake is made then will make them pay. Good luck Monte but I will never wish the cowboys any success. Lol

  4. Brandon Says:

    Anybody that says the T-2 is dated is simply moronic. The Bears and Vikings run it and have excellent defenses. The Bucs ran it last in 2008 and still had a top 10 unit.

  5. Brandon Says:

    Dallas is stocked for a T-2 style defense, even more so than a 3-4.

    DeMarcus Ware will be a great RDE, even better than Simeon Rice.

    Bruce Carter will be a stud at Mike or Will.

    Sure, they spent a ton on CBs, but Kelly, Barber, Tillman, and Abraham have proved that great CBs can excel in the T-2.

  6. Hawaiian Buc Says:

    The Tampa 2 can still work, but you have to have the right personnel. Most teams, including us and the Cowgirls, don’t have the right personnel. They also pretty much wasted their draft pick on Claiborne, who is a non-tackling man to man corner (the exact opposite of what is needed for the Tampa 2.

  7. OAR Says:

    Brandon
    Thank you!

  8. Eric Says:

    Monte is a genius, they will be vastly improved. Ill wager a top ten defense like the man had ten times here. And the number one as late as 2005, without Sapp or Lynch.

    How quickly you guys have forgotten.

    Besides, old guys like me like to see this kind of thing. Kick some ass Mr. Kiffin.

  9. Hawaiian Buc Says:

    And most importantly, do they have any DT’s that aren’t headed to jail? That’s essential in Kiffin’s defense.

  10. OAR Says:

    Hawiian
    Aloha! I usually don’t disagree with you but Dallass wasn’t that good defensively. They ranked 24th points and 19th yds, that’s not even in the top half of the league. Ware is definately not a fit, seeing as he would have to move to DE. But, maybe their defense is more suited for 3-4?

  11. OAR Says:

    A non-tackling Claiborne doesn’t fit any system!

  12. SilenceTheCritics Says:

    Anybody that says the T-2 is dated is simply moronic. The Bears and Vikings run it and have excellent defenses. The Bucs ran it last in 2008 and still had a top 10 unit.
    ——————————————————————-
    And how far did that great tampa 2 take them? one team was out of the first round and the other team never even made it…. who is moronic? That would be you… idiot. If you are gonna insult at least have facts to back it up.

  13. OAR Says:

    Kinda sucks if you ask me, cause it’s Dallass. We’ll just have to wait and see next year.

  14. FLBoyInDallas Says:

    Cowboys defense will be vastly improved next year because of this hire, mainly for reasons already pointed out by Brandon above.

  15. Eric Says:

    Amazingly you guys expect Monte to come in and turn a defense around on a dime, but are willing to accept the four years of record breaking defensive futiliy by the regime that followed him under the guise of “rebuilding”.

    Breathtaking double standard.

    Sometimes I wonder about this town.

    No wonder Monte went with his son, nobody appreciates a damn thing around here.

  16. Andrew 1 Says:

    NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

  17. Hawaiian Buc Says:

    @OAR,
    Yeah,but they were a top 10 defense until they got a ton of injuries. Only time will tell if they are better for a 4-3, but to my non-football mind, it doesn’t. I could very well be wrong.

  18. Hawaiian Buc Says:

    @Eric,
    Who doesn’t appreciate Kiffin? I’ve yet to ever see one person say, or even imply, that. He may very well be the best defensive coordinator in the history of football, but if he doesn’t have the right personnel, he won’t be successful. He was absolutely horrible at USC, and that’s putting it nicely. I guess you never watched them play, probably because you were too busy making jokes about the Bucs. That doesn’t mean he’s not great, it just means he sucked under those circumstances. But go ahead and swing from his balls a little more, it’s really cute.

  19. Ian's Gay Lisp & Ron's Drinking Problem Says:

    Monte Impersonation (in his voice, of course) “I tell ya what….I’m so excited right now…i can hardly wait to get out there and watch ‘em knock each other around…i had to run around the block a few times this morning just to calm down.. We gotta get these guys fired up and ready play this week….I think they’ll be ready though”

  20. Patrick Says:

    Would the Bucs currently have the right players for the Tampa 2 if Kiffin had returned to the Bucs?

    Opinions?

  21. Miguel El Magnifico Says:

    If Kiffin was such a genius, why couldn’t he figure out Oregon (63pts).

  22. Hawaiian Buc Says:

    @Patrick,
    No

  23. Dylan Says:

    He has the corners to run a nice Tampa 2 scheme. There just gonna have to cut and sign a few key players and it will be solid. Cowboys are gona be a contender with him at defensive coordinator.

  24. Dylan Says:

    @miguel, so your telling me if mike Tyson taught me how to box and all his moves for 1 year. I’m gonna be able to TKO mayweather right?… No… He has the brains probally just didn’t have the better pieces like Oregon had. There wa a reason why almost every team that needed a head coach wanted chip Kelly…

  25. Dylan Says:

    @patrick hahaha not a chance you see the buccaneer cornerbacks.

  26. SeanyMac in SC Says:

    I love you Monte, but you have gone over to the Dark side now. Enjoy the Jerry Jones circus in that big top. “America’s Team” my a$$. And here I thought most players and coaches went to the Raiders to retire.

  27. Eric Says:

    Defensive ranking Monte era

    96-9th
    97-2nd
    98-5th
    99-3rd
    00-8th
    01-8th
    02-1st
    03-4th
    04-10th
    05-8th
    06-21st
    07-3rd
    08-10th

    Thats a top ten defense in 12 out of 13 seasons. USC and that conference are apples and oranges to the NFL. Nobody plays defense in that conference. Might as well have put him in the arena league then criticised him.

    Id take a gamble on that record. And its highly ingenius. HOFesq actually.

    Go Monte, pay no attention to these so called bucs fans.

  28. kh Says:

    The fact that jerry jones hired him say it all, disaster written all over it.

  29. Hawaiian Buc Says:

    @Eric,

    So your excuse for USC is that nobody plays defense in the Pac 12? That should make it all the easier for him to be successful, that along with having top recruiting classes annually. And just to correct you, Stanford plays pretty damn good defense, without putting out first round players every year (like USC). You should maybe do a little research while swinging from those balls.

    Also, let me get one more thing straight. So because I still choose to cheer for the Bucs today (win or lose), yet don’t have private fantasies about Monte Kiffin, I’m a “so called Buc fan”? He was a fantastic coordinator (maybe the best ever), but he chose to leave us in the middle of the season, costing us a trip to the playoffs. I’m not mad at him for it, but I’m not going to bow down to him and cheer for him when he joins another team.

    He’s had an amazing career, and that can never be taken away from him. He helped us get a Super Bowl. However, that doesn’t mean he will be successful everywhere. Hell, Bill Parcells wasn’t very successful in Dallas. Bill Bellicheck wasn’t great in Cleveland. Joe Gibbs wasn’t very successful with his second trip to Washington. That doesn’t mean they all weren’t great coaches. And more importantly, it doesn’t mean I’m not a Buc fan if I don’t feel Kiffin will be very successful in Dallas. You’re like an old bitter divorced woman.

  30. robert Says:

    so glad he’s not coming here!!!!! I don’t forget a quitter as quickly as the rest I guess…..

    and yes, he quit on the team in the sense of the way he handled it…was way to early when announced and thebucs were poised for a run.

  31. OAR Says:

    Monte made a huge mistake going and coaching with his son at the college level. Do you guys really think Kiffen’s Tampa-2 would succeed in the college level anyways? It’s a complicated scheme. Besides, how many really talented players are on one college team at any time or how many years are they on that college team? (If your lucky) Even NFL players need a year or two to get it.

  32. OAR Says:

    El Raton
    Your Little Chip Kelly and his offense is afraid of the NFL. Please go to Oregon’s blog to spread that love.
    Now I know why a Duck goes quack, quack!

  33. bucobruce Says:

    Cowgirls vs.BUCCANEERS in the NFC chapionship.WOW can you imagine.

  34. Hawaiian Buc Says:

    Just as a side note, the Baltimore Ravens have been a top 10 defense 9 out of the last 10 seasons (and probably much before that, but I wasn’t able to look it up on ESPN), and they’ve had 4 different DC’s during that time period. I’m assuming they are all geniuses too? Or maybe, just maybe, did having great players assist those coaches in being successful?

  35. Hawaiian Buc Says:

    @OAR,

    I don’t really agree with you that it’s a complicated system. At it’s core, it’s really not. Get pressure with the front 4 and keep the ball in front of you. Problem is, a patient QB will pick it apart (unless the front 4 is putting on massive pressure). The Tampa 2 wants you to throw the ball down the field, because that’s when the turnovers happen. If you can contain the pressure and are content to get yardage in small doses, you are going to be successful against the Tampa 2. I don’t see how the Tampa 2 is going to be successful against a team like the Redskins, or against a smart QB like Eli. Maybe if Ware and Ratliff have phenomenal seasons (and stay healthy), but even then it’s a stretch.

  36. OAR Says:

    I would imagine Kiffen’s defenses didn’t play the spread type offenses well because he was in the NFL the last 30 years of his career and han’t seen them. I also imagine he will have learned from playing them, since they are poping up in the new NFL.
    BTW His college defenses did play the NFL-type offenses well.

  37. OAR Says:

    How many great players did we have on his defenses from 2005 to 2008?

  38. OAR Says:

    Hawiian
    Maybe complicated wasn’t the right term, but the players need to be smart (think fast on their toes) and definately more disciplined.

  39. Hawaiian Buc Says:

    @Oar,
    Totally agree 100% on that last comment. Disciplined is the key word. And I’m not saying he’s not a great coach. In fact, I truly believe quite the opposite. I just see Dallas as a very bad fit. To be fair, I see Dallas as a bad fit for most coaches regardless of scheme, mainly because of Jerry Jones. However, I have serious doubts of their success going from a 3-4 to a “disciplined” defense using a 4-3. I don’t think they have the players, nor the discipline to run it. It doesn’t help that he’s 72, so time (to learn the system) is not exactly a luxury he’s working with.

  40. OAR Says:

    Hawiian
    True. I will feel bad for Kiffen if his defense does bad. People/fans tend to remember the most recent things someone has or has not accomplished. Don’t get me wrong Im no Dallass Cowgirl fan, but I would hate for Kiffen to be remembered for crappy NFL and college defenses in his last years and not really what he accomplished with us.

  41. Hawaiian Buc Says:

    @Oar,

    I’ll have to ask Eric about that one. Apparently he decides who is a true fan or not.

  42. OAR Says:

    Good luck with that club. I heard the hazing is a doozie!

  43. BigMacAttack Says:

    I think the Tampa 2 as a base defense can still get you wins, but it won’t get you to the big show. Manning, Brady and Brees will light you up and put up 40 points on that defense every time. They know how to read it and beat it. So does Jim Harbaugh. I would have kept Rob Ryan over Monti and I can’t stand Jerrah so I hope this is an epic fail in the big D.

  44. Miguel El Magnifico Says:

    This is why Kiffen got his walking papers from USC. Worst defensive performance in 125 years

    Kenyon Barner ran for a school-record 321 yards and five touchdowns, freshman QB Marcus Mariota threw four TD passes, and Oregon produced another landmark offensive performance where they racked up 730 yards and 62 points – the most ever allowed by USC, which began playing football in 1888.

    I just hope the Cowgirls don’t play anyone good.

  45. eric Says:

    A 13 year run is all cause of better players?

    Of course the sapps and brooks wwre a huge part. But over that many years there was a lot of turnover yet excellence was maintained. The opposite of the disaster since he left.

    Monte Kiffin has earned nothing but the utmost respect, admiration, and well wishes from Tampa. Not sniveling cheap shots from the ignorant.

  46. OAR Says:

    On a lighter note:
    Why did Drew Brees, Eli Manning, Ben Rothelisburger, Tony Romo and Michael Vick walk into the bar?
    To watch the playoffs!

  47. Hawaiian Buc Says:

    Are you stupid Eric? Did I say “all cause”. Can you read? Why don’t you use that lawyer brain of yours, re-read the post, and come back when you get a clue.

  48. OAR Says:

    Quack Quack Quack

    What’s that El Raton, I can’t understand you?

  49. Hawaiian Buc Says:

    And no, you don’t gain my “upmost respect” when you quit on the team in the middle of a playoff run. You get my respect for what you did in the past, but I won’t bow down to you and treat you like a god.

    You b!tch and moan at every opportunity about the Bucs, but there is absolutely no doubt in the world that what happened was a direct result of your fantasy-lover Monte Kiffin leaving the team to join his cheating, arse-hole son. Go ahead and try to argue that.

  50. Joe Says:

    Hawaiian:

    And no, you don’t gain my “upmost respect” when you quit on the team in the middle of a playoff run.

    This nonsense that Kiffin quit on the Bucs is just that, a fairy tale. Chucky and Bruce Almighty admitted Kiffin had told them before the season he was leaving at the end of the year to work with his son.

    Hell, even Al Davis knew the previous year about Kiffin leaving because Kiffin had talked to Davis about working for the Raiders when Lane Kiffin was Oakland’s coach.

    If anyone “quit” on the Bucs, it was the players. Besides, how many players were beat up and worn out at the end of the season because Chucky wanted old guys. The Panthers running the ball right down the Bucs throats on Monday Night Football had nothing to do with Kiffin and everything to do with the Bucs being over the hill on defense.

    That’s why Bucs rock star general manager Mark Dominik had a purge on the defensive roster to get younger.

    Joe knows many Bucs fans want to believe Kiffin Pearl Harbor’ed the Bucs season by “quitting” but that simply isn’t based on any reasonable fact.

  51. SilenceTheCritics Says:

    @Eric

    Monte Kiffin has earned nothing but the utmost respect, admiration, and well wishes from Tampa. Not sniveling cheap shots from the ignorant.
    ————————————————————————-

    The first part of that statement is absolutely true. He has earned the utmost respest and admiration from the fans just as Brooks, Sapp and all the great players we had. However, the way he left was deplorable. Fact is this, he is now a cowboy and thus is an enemy. I for one, do not wish him well as far as his career with them go, i want to see him fail there as I do all enemies. That has nothing to do with him as a person or what he has done for us. Stop using your opinions as an excuse to degrade anyone else who doesnt support your opinion. It just makes you a whiney little bitch.

  52. Patrick Says:

    After Kiffin PUBLICLY announced he was leaving, the Bucs lose their last 4 games and miss the playoffs. Sorry, but that was incredibly strange. It obviously did something to our team for us to have that miserable of a collapse after a 9-3 start.

  53. Hawaiian Buc Says:

    @Joe,
    Quit is the wrong word, I admit. I’m actually not mad at him for doing it, nor was I mad at him back then. I completely understand why he left. That is the first I’ve ever heard of him telling Allen and Gruden he was leaving at the end of the year. Perhaps I just missed it, but I’m very surprised I did. I did hate the way it was done. There is no reason to announce it with 4 games left in the regular season. Absolutely none, unless he was leaving the team immediately, which he wasn’t.

    Obviously the players quit and they deserve some of the blame. However, just like with Raheem, when players quit that ultimately falls on the coach. I don’t buy for one second the Panthers running the ball for 300 yards was a result of being worn out, especially we had won the previous games. We got more yardage rung up on us on the ground than a Raheem Morris defense, and no one can convince me that wasn’t a result of Kiffin announcing he was leaving. I don’t care if they were down to the ball boys on the D-Line.

    Again, I respect Kiffin, but he handled that very poorly. Wait until the end of the year like every other coach. It’s not that hard to do. Obviously had we won one of those last 4 I would feel differently, but we didn’t so I don’t. I don’t give a rip who says what or where it is stated otherwise, that’s my belief.

  54. eric Says:

    13 years with a team is quiting?

    I think the man turned down head coaching opportunities in the NFL and stayed here.

    Agreeing to coach with your son is a bad thing? Geez….

    How many dads would turn down a son? Mine wouldnt. Would yours Hawaiian?

    Sure it hurt in 08 down the stretch. But that team went 9-7. And won nfc south year before.

    Lot better than weve seen since!

  55. PRBucFan Says:

    @Silence
    An opinion and that complete disrespect of a man who brought us years of defensive dominance are two different things. IMO

    @Joe
    Thank you, I agree 100%

    I HATE DALLAS!!!!
    But i love Monte more than that, I wish him the best.

  56. Hawaiian Buc Says:

    Again Eric, what is wrong with your reading comprehension?

    #1 I said “quit” was the wrong word to use

    #2 I said I completely understand why he left

  57. PRBucFan Says:

    And blood is way thicker than water, don’t judge a man for fulfilling his dream of being a proud father and coaching with his son.

    All opinions aside of Lane, that at its core is a special thing. It’s not something that i believe anyone has the right to judge. That’s my opinion you don’t need to agree.

  58. Patrick Says:

    Eric, it was that 4 game collapse that sent us into the embarrassment of the Raheem Morris era……think about it. Kiffin was great, the way he made that announcement when we were actually in contention for a 1ST ROUND BYE (9-3), is inexcusable. It’s not a coincidence that we completely fell apart after he did that.

  59. jLM Says:

    Kiffin is getting old as dirt. Probably can hardly see the field. Guarantee he’s not 2002 sharp.

  60. eric Says:

    @patrick

    Thats because we have idiots for owners!

  61. PRBucFan Says:

    That’s just an opinion that cannot be proven Patrick, do you honestly think a bunch of grown men need Monte to hold their hand on a system that was in place for more than a decade with more than capable assistant coaches?

    Not to mention EVERYONE WITHIN THE ORGANIZATION ALREADY KNEW,
    it may have taken us by surprise by they were prepared.

  62. eric Says:

    @hawwaiian

    Sorry i missed the backpedling from your previous rediculous remarks.

  63. Patrick Says:

    @jLM………Kiffin is actually older than all four of the Beatles and he’s only 5 years younger than Ron Paul. LOL.

  64. Hawaiian Buc Says:

    I’ll say this one more time, because there’s people that are misunderstanding me. I respect Monte Kiffin. He was a tremendous, tremendous defensive coordinator for us for many years. I do not blame him one bit for choosing to coach with his cheating, arse hole son. I would do the exact same thing were I in his shoes.

    Because I am not family to him, and I am loyal to the Bucs team itself over ANY of it’s players or coaches, I will never like the decision. #55 is my favorite player of all time, but I wouldn’t like it if he chose to leave in free agency to sign with another team. Would I lose a little respect for him if he had done that? Probably, but he still would be one of my favorites, just a little less than before. Maybe that’s stupid to some people, but I cheer for the guys who wear red and pewter, no matter what. I particularly don’t like that Kiffin announced his leaving with 4 games left. That served no purpose, and it hurt us tremendously. Arguing that point is completely stupid. Yes the players quit, but coaches are responsible for the players.

    I wish Kiffin success, but I just don’t believe it’s going to happen in Dallas. That’s my uneducated opinion. There are literally hundreds of examples of great coaches not being successful in the wrong situation. If I’m wrong, woopty freaking doo! I’ve been wrong plenty before, and I’m sure I’ll be wrong again.

  65. PRBucFan Says:

    @Hawaiian

    I respect that

  66. Hawaiian Buc Says:

    I swear people like Eric and Miguel make you want to cheer against people you have nothing against. I love Monte Kiffin, but I’m at the point now where I want him to fail just so I can remind you of it (then again, you’ll just disappear just like you did during our winning streak this season. That’s your play because you’re soft). Miguel does the same thing with his boyfriend Chip the dip. I cheer against Oregon strictly because of him. You two should both be proud. Maybe you are long lost brothers or something.

  67. Hawaiian Buc Says:

    And I was joking about the Kiffin failing part.

  68. BigMacAttack Says:

    Monti Kiffen presided over the MNF Carolina beat down and so did Gruden. Adjustments could have been made when they were running down their throats. It may not have been all Mont’s fault but it was fault alright. I don’t what makes a team collapse after 9-3, and injuries are always a problem, but they literally took it up the A$$ and did nothing to stop it. I like Monti and he was great but I will bet right now that he won’t last his contract in Dallas.

    Eric, just because I have a different view or opinion than you doesn’t make me ignorant. I’m not saying Monti wasn’t great and respected, but he left many fans with a very sour taste at the end. It could have been handled better. Maybe the mgmnt knew but call it what you will, it quacked

  69. SombreoBro Says:

    Who the hell goes back to their old job?
    Oh yeah………… a loser.
    Monte is a winner.
    Good for you Monte!

  70. PRBucFan Says:

    Chip has proven to be a very fickle man.

    I am glad he wasn’t our coach only to dip out and run back to Oregon the first time he falls.

  71. PRBucFan Says:

    If the management knew you better bet the players knew, there’s no way they’d set them up for failure that way.

    Atleast that is they way I look at it

  72. eric Says:

    @hawaiian.

    It aint my fault you trashed Monte Kiffin. U did that before i commented.

    But i give your mea culpa a b+

    Not like we got an abundance of heroes from buc history. Monte sure as hell was one of them. Live long and prosper sir and thanks!!!

  73. Deminion Says:

    Much respect to the Tampa 2 architect… Not a complicated D u just gotta hve smart and instinctual players for it to succeed…

  74. Macabee Says:

    there is nothing wrong with the Kiffin hire. There is nothing wrong with Romo. There is nothing wrong with moving to a 4-3 defense. There is nothing wrong with the personnel. There is nothing wrong with the team in general that can’t be adjusted or fixed over time.

    What is wrong is the owner impersonating a GM aka the honorable Jerrah Jones who is hellbent to prove that AL Davis was the greatest owner/manager that ever lived!!

  75. Hawaiian Buc Says:

    @Eric,

    No, I didn’t trash Monte Kiffin. I did choose a poor word in “quit”, but that was out of frustration of hearing you twist people’s words, like you always do. Why don’t you scroll up and read my comments. I must have said 10 times he’s a great coach. I said I didn’t think he was a good fit in Dallas. You proceeded to say we weren’t real buc fans. You make as if it is absurd to do anything but slurp Monte Kiffin. He’s not perfect, no one is. I know you want to marry the guy, but I’m pretty sure he’s not interested.

  76. Hawaiian Buc Says:

    @Eric,
    I highly suggest you scroll to the top and re-read the first 20 or so posts. You’ll see what an arse hole you’ve been, and how you’ve over reacted like a 16 year old on her period.

  77. eric Says:

    Your a class act Hawaiian.

  78. Hawaiian Buc Says:

    Thanks Eric. That means a lot coming from someone like you. I take it that means you either refuse to re-read the comments and admit you are wrong, or just don’t care. At least it’s better than disappearing, which is what you normally do.

  79. BigMacAttack Says:

    Having a 21 yr old daughter(my youngest) I vividly remember the hell years around 16. I’m not on the Monti Dallas bandwagon, any more than I’ll be on Gruden’s when he comes back. Monti’s Buc days are long gone and I’m over it and him. It’s a new era in Tampa and I care about the present and future as long as we’ve learned from the past.

  80. BigMacAttack Says:

    And the Glazers are far from being idiots. They’re very intelligent and smart businessmen. I like all the things they are doing for us season ticket holders. I don’t feel they deserve all the hate they get from their critics with very little business acumen.

    When you’re a billionaire, run your mouth, but until then, keep whining and taking Midol.

  81. Hawaiian Buc Says:

    @BigMac,

    I’m sorry, according to Eric, feeling that way makes you not a real Buc fan. Being a real Buc fan means admiring the past coaches and players, yet going out of your way to not support the current coaches and players in any way. We are only allowed to support the current regime once they win and get to the playoffs. Every real fan would never support the team when they aren’t winning. That would be absurd and stupid.

  82. Joe Says:

    For all those claiming Monte Kiffin just up and walked away from the Bucs late in the season, Joe suggests you read the story Joe broke about the subject — the first local reporter to break the news of Kiffin leaving — that has all the details including how Bruce Almighty and Chucky knew Kiffin was leaving prior to the season, and documenting how Al Davis spoke openly of Kiffin wanting to join the Raiders prior to Kiffin’s last season.

    Even before the season, Rah was anointed defensive coordinator in waiting.

    http://www.joebucsfan.com/?p=1983

  83. RIs_Buc Says:

    Brooks LB coach for patriots? David Price starter for the rangers?
    I can’t explain it but I’m So mad….
    I just hate the cowboys so much. Why Dallas. Why?

  84. BigMacAttack Says:

    If anyone “quit” on the Bucs, it was the players. Besides, how many players were beat up and worn out at the end of the season because Chucky wanted old guys. The Panthers running the ball right down the Bucs throats on Monday Night Football had nothing to do with Kiffin and everything to do with the Bucs being over the hill on defense.

    Joe, I get your point but to say Monti had no blame in the defensive prolapse after being 9-3 is a bit of a stretch, don’t you think. Who was calling the defense? Monti was pretty set in his ways and when your getting blasted, you have try something or make some type of adjustments. Monti pretty much stayed the course expecting different results…. or maybe he lost interest. I don’t know but it is a possibility.

  85. Hawaiian Buc Says:

    @Joe,
    I don’t know if that’s the wrong link, but I don’t see anything in there showing that Kiffin told Gruden or Allen he was leaving at the end of the year. It says Al Davis saying something like that, but who believes anything Al Davis would say? Although there’s no denial, there’s no admitting this was going to happen. In fact, I remember Kiffin being rumored to accept several jobs in years past, but he never did (the 49ers job comes to mind off hand). I just don’t see this as proof that everyone knew he was leaving. Regardless, it was in poor judgement to tell the team with 4 games remaining. Again, not saying he was wrong in leaving, just poor judgement.

  86. PRBucFan Says:

    Reports stated that Gruden refused to allow Kiffin to announce his departure to Tennessee mid-season.

  87. Joe Says:

    Hawaiian:

    Come on man, all the information is in there, including a link with direct quotes from Al Davis.

    If Davis was lying, why did the Bucs or Kiffin not deny it? Joe can tell you why: Because Davis was not lying.

    The reason why Kiffin (and the Bucs) told the team when they did is because they didn’t have a choice. The cat was out of the bag.

  88. Hawaiian Buc Says:

    @Joe,

    Correct me if I’m wrong, but this was not the first time a rumor was started about Kiffin leaving. And no, I didn’t pay much attention to anything Al Davis ever said toward the end of his life. He said a lot of things about Lane Kiffin on his way out. I just don’t think it was common knowledge, and certainly the players didn’t know it. Again, my only point was that his timing was terrible, and it hurt our team. I don’t see how anyone, even Eric, can deny that.

  89. BigMacAttack Says:

    The Rams just hired Rob Ryan. Now that makes sense. Jerrah made a big mistake letting him go. He is excellent at disguising his defensive looks. Monti Kiffen? Cover 2, rush 4, zone blitz twice a game.

  90. lurker Says:

    wow…

    kiffin’s gone, been gone. i don’t think the straight tampa 2 will do well in this league now.

    also, i never hear that gruden know before the season that kiffin said he was done and gone. that is new. even so, when did the players know? that matters more.

    love eric defending a coach from the past that left, sucked at usc, and is with another team. and yet he bashes who we have now. “so called bucs fans” indeed!

    ps is there a little eric now or are they the same person?

  91. RustyRhino Says:

    We can all look back on the days gone by, strive to be in a better place in the future, but we all only live in today.
    Monte Kiffen, had some kind of great defense in Tampa he left to go to greener pastures, we moved on. Just like he did. Now he is back in the NFL after 4 seasons & 2 college programs later, that’s great. Congratulations Monte! He is as Cowboy now. Good luck, uh yeah right… Will he be successful? I hope so just not against us.

    @eric Hey buddy, why no season records with the nice display of Coach Kiffens defensive rankings you posted?

  92. PRBucFan Says:

    Because Monte was only responsible for the defensive side of the ball that’s why.

  93. MadMax Says:

    Well, what I originally said wouldnt post…..I used a bad word :(

    So, … Love ya Kiffin, appreciate you so much for what you did for us…but you’re on the other side of the tracks now?!!! (SMDH) ….awful, just awful…

  94. RustyRhino Says:

    So having a top ten defense does not always produce a winning season. What rank was our offense in 2002 I see that our defense was ranked #1 that year. I always thought that football is a team sport, offense, defense & special teams. I’d like to see how our teams record with a top 15 offense and defense. Coach Kiffens defenses where always trying to score when they got the chances.

  95. SilenceTheCritics Says:

    The simple fact he was looking for a job during the season when we were like the #1 or 2 seed at the time was a major distraction and made no season. That was a distraction you can not deny that. I’m not going to hate the guy for it but he was wrong for doing that and theres no sugar coating it. That doesnt take away from what he did here but at the same time I cant blame other people for looking down on him for it either… But thats the past, hes the enemy now so he must fail!!

    Or you can always go be a cowboys fan.

  96. Brandon Says:

    SilenceTheCritics Says:

    And how far did that great tampa 2 take them? one team was out of the first round and the other team never even made it…. who is moronic? That would be you… idiot. If you are gonna insult at least have facts to back it up.

    How far did it take them? It got both teams to 10 wins despite having subpar offenses. What other facts do you need? I’m just calling a spade a spade. I’m actually a little surprised that you were intelligent enough to know that I was insinuating you are a moron. I thought it would be over your simplistic little mind.

    Need more proof?

    The Bucs in 2008 had a top 5 defense with 4 games left to play in 2008. They had this top 5 defense under Kiffin despite having the legendary lineup of:

    LDE Kevin Carter-who never played for another team after 2008.
    UT Jovan Haye-who had a grand total of .5 sacks after 2007
    NT Chris Hovan-who was Chris Hovan
    RDE Stylez White-who got the job simply because he wasn’t Gaines Adams

    SLB Cato June-who played in one total game after 2008
    MLB Barrett Ruud-who last looked serviceable under Kiffin in 2008
    WLB Derrick Brooks-who never played another game after 2008

    LCB Philip Buchanon-who started a grand total of 16 games after 2008.
    RCB Ronde Barber-who is still kicking
    SS Jermaine Phillips/Piscitelli-The fragile armed Phillps backed up by the GOAT?
    FS Tanard Jackson-who last played well under Kiffin.

    Yeah, a top 5 defense if ever saw one. These guys weren’t just untalented, they were all over-the-hill as well and yet Kiffin had them humming until the news broke that he was leaving. He doesn’t deserve accolades for leading this group of nobodies and over-the-hill talentless bums to an eventual top 10 finish, he deserves a congressional medal of honor.

  97. Brandon Says:

    SilenceTheCritics Says:

    January 12th, 2013 at 1:35 pm
    The simple fact he was looking for a job during the season when we were like the #1 or 2 seed at the time was a major distraction and made no season. That was a distraction you can not deny that. I’m not going to hate the guy for it but he was wrong for doing that and theres no sugar coating it. That doesnt take away from what he did here but at the same time I cant blame other people for looking down on him for it either… But thats the past, hes the enemy now so he must fail!!

    Or you can always go be a cowboys fan.

    +++++++++++

    He wasn’t looking for a job… his loser son got a head coaching position and his father decided to spend time with his son and give him a chance to succeed, and his first chance to work with his kin, so he left.

    Are you saying that we need to become Cowboy fans if we were to hope Kiffin does well? So the architect of the greatest defense against the pass in the history of the NFL should be villified? Simply because he’s with the Cowboys? He and his defense got us that Super Bowl… he and his defenses won all of those games between 1996 and 2008… so we should root against him? STUPID!!! For all we know he wanted to come back to the Bucs but Schiano wouldn’t have him, we don’t know. Obviously, he wanted back in the NFL, we knew that much when he came back for the Eagles game. I’m sure if the Bucs had come offering then he would’ve taken it.

  98. stevek Says:

    ^^^^^BULLSH!T^^^^^

    Monte gave the Bucs everything he had for the whole time he was here.

    I hope Monte does well, Monte Fanship > Cowboy hate….

    Everyone that is spitting vinager can just sit back, take a deep breath, and re-read what they post before hitting, “Submit Comment”. Reading the emotional BS posted through this post is too much drama! Are we Buc fans, or are we Babies?

    Booya, Monte, kick some arse.

  99. Brandon Says:

    Miguel El Magnifico Says:

    January 11th, 2013 at 3:57 pm
    If Kiffin was such a genius, why couldn’t he figure out Oregon (63pts).

    ++++++++++++++

    #1, Who has figured out how to stop Oregon?
    #2 Did his idiot son ever think to help his dad out by a) playing a ball control attack that kept the ball away from the Oregon O b) stop taking the prime recruits off of Dad’s D and keeping them on O even if they were 3rd stringers? USC has been seriously short of stud defenders on D for a while no.. and it isn’t Monte’s fault.
    #3, The T-2 is fantastic at stopping pass heavy attacks, many defenses will struggle stopping gimmicky run heavy read option style attacks.

  100. Brandon Says:

    stevek Says:

    I hope Monte does well, Monte Fanship > Cowboy hate….
    ++++++++++++++++++++

    I have to agree. I wouldn’t even be a Buc fan (since 83) if it weren’t for my hatred of the Cowboys. I love Monte Kiffin. I hope he does well… I hope the Cowboys lead the league in defense… I also hope they go 0-16 because of the worst offense in history.

  101. Brandon Says:

    Patrick Says:

    January 11th, 2013 at 3:56 pm
    Would the Bucs currently have the right players for the Tampa 2 if Kiffin had returned to the Bucs?

    Opinions?

    +++++++++++++
    .
    Yes, all except for at RDE. Kiffin’s system requires a RDE that gets up field and takes the LT with him. This opens up space for the WILL LB to meet the RB in the hole. David would be fantastic in T-2. Mason Foster would probably have to move to Sam. The few times we ran T-2 this past season he had a very difficult time getting down the middle of the field… that and his awareness in zone is weak. Other than that, we have all of the pieces.

  102. Brandon Says:

    BigMacAttack Says:

    January 11th, 2013 at 5:49 pm
    I think the Tampa 2 as a base defense can still get you wins, but it won’t get you to the big show. Manning, Brady and Brees will light you up and put up 40 points on that defense every time. They know how to read it and beat it. So does Jim Harbaugh. I would have kept Rob Ryan over Monti and I can’t stand Jerrah so I hope this is an epic fail in the big D.

    ++++++++++++++

    They you are being wrong again.

    First of all, his name is K-I-F-F-I-N… he got us a Super Bowl, the least you can do is continuing to prove that you’re a moron by spelling a legend’s name incorrectly.

    Secondly, against Denver the Bucs played primarily T-2 and cover 2… and Manning put up a grand total of 24 points and 333 yards… Manning had a very un-Manning-like 242 yards and only 6.4 yards per pass. That despite our pathetic pass rush getting ZERO pressure… not a big change from the ZERO pressure Schiano’s blitz heavy scheme got us this year.

    The only other time the Bucs ran heavy T-2 and cover 2 was against Atlanta in the last game of the season… and they did extremely well. Argue with that…

  103. SilenceTheCritics Says:

    @Brandon

    You must have reading comprehension issues. As well as immaturity issues. You seem to like to resort to name calling when someone doesnt agree to your opinion.

    Kiffin was looking to leave us during the season. That was obvious with all the rumors that were going out during the season that he was leaving. I dont care what his reasons were for leaving or what he was wanting to leave for. The fact he left isnt even the problem. Problem is that he did it during the season which caused a major distraction. Simple as that.

    As far as being a cowboys fan. I simply meant if you dont like my opinion or anyone elses about Kiffin and you are so enamored with him, then go be a cowboys fan.

    STUPID!!

  104. SilenceTheCritics Says:

    SilenceTheCritics Says:

    And how far did that great tampa 2 take them? one team was out of the first round and the other team never even made it…. who is moronic? That would be you… idiot. If you are gonna insult at least have facts to back it up.

    How far did it take them? It got both teams to 10 wins despite having subpar offenses. What other facts do you need? I’m just calling a spade a spade. I’m actually a little surprised that you were intelligent enough to know that I was insinuating you are a moron. I thought it would be over your simplistic little mind.

    ———————————————————————-

    Im sorry I thought success equals playoffs? If there defenses were so great one couldn’t even get to the playoffs and the other got picked apart in the first round. Both of them have dominate running games with Forte and Peterson but… Great defenses plus dominate running game usually equals success does it not?

    You are so infatuated with trying to make me look stupid that you missed the entire point of what I said. I never once said that it wasnt a good defense. I simply said it wont work in todays NFL. Good QBs will pick it a part. My proof? Well read above.

    I look forward to your next post that I have no doubts will include a lot of immature name calling and off topic points that I will most likely have to ignore since it wont have anything to do with anything that were currently talking about.

  105. SilenceTheCritics Says:

    @Joe

    Just a suggestion, would love to have an edit feature on the comments section Lol. Sometimes, I need to change the things I say so people dont misinterpret them as something else.

  106. BigMacAttack Says:

    Brandon, WTF??? Are you drunk? Or are you 10 yrs old? Grow up son. I don’t care who you think you are, you need to pull your head out of your A$$. I don’t answer to you. If made a typo, too bad. Really get a woman and get over yourself. The future will decide Mante Cuffan’s fate, not your big mouth.

  107. stevek Says:

    M-O-N-T-E K-I-F-F-I-N

    The Tampa 2 requires attention to detail.

    Lol Big Mac, easy man. No need to escalate, you are only showing that he can get the better of thou.

    :) Let’s just hope we get some talented and *proven* Free Agent + Coaching Talent.

  108. BigMacAttack Says:

    If the Tampa 2 was unbeatable, every team would be running it. It is a great defense for certain situations, no doubt. But it has holes and can be beat. Funny how one who walks on water can criticize another’s mistake and make the same type of mistake in the process.

    Brandon, go eff yourself kid. My address is 2305 Casey Key Rd in SRQ. I’ll lock the dogs up so they don’t eat you. Gate is open.

  109. stevek Says:

    ^^^^LMAO^^^^^

    MURICA!

  110. stevek Says:

    “GET OFF MY LAWN!” ^^

  111. Brandon Says:

    BMA,

    You made a typo??? Like 86 times? Please be accountable for your stupidity. The first step to recovery is knowing you have a problem.

    STC,

    Oh yeah, accusing me of name-calling not long after you called me an “idiot”… Classy! Pot, meet kettle.

    As for my “infatuation” with trying to make you look stupid… there is no such thing. You do a tremendous job of that yourself and you certainly don’t need my help. “Both of them have DOMINATE running games…” WTF, do you mean “dominant”?

    You have yet to provide proof that in today’s game the defense can’t work. The Bears D was among the best and helped that team win 10 games, same with the Vikings, both teams relied heavily on their running games due in large part to their extremely inability to be effective passing the ball. The last time the Bucs used it was merely four seasons ago. The Colts used it very well under Ron Meeks until 2009, and when dummy Caldwell came in and replaced him with Larry Coyer, the defense promptly becaame a bottom 10 unit after being a top 10 unit 7 times in 9 seasons despite the Colts routinely spending thie premium draft picks and salary cap dollars on keeping their potent offense fine-tune.

    For those of you that still don’t understand. The weakness, between stopping the run or pass using T-2, has always been the run. As a matter of fact, it was only 10 short years ago that the 2002 Bucs set the all-time record for best/worst opposing QBs rating with a whopping 46.9. As I also recall, the 49ers, Eagles, and Raiders potent and league leading passing attacks not having a ton of success.

    For the record, we know the Vikings made the playoffs, but the Bears not making the playoffs can hardly be blamed on their defense. They finished 3rd in yards allowed and 3rd in points allowed. They were also one of only three teams to intercept more passes than give up TD passes. Opposing QBs had a miniscule 71.3 rating against them, which for the record, was the best in the league.

    Can’t stop today’s best QBs? No defense can totally stop the best QBs today, but the T-2 has proven over time, and recently as well, that it is or at the very least, is among the very best at stopping the passing game.

  112. Albuco Says:

    Kiffin was a good coach for the Bucs, he is too old now and washed up as a coach. My concern is fans dedicating any feelings about the team when the country is turning into a fascist police state hellhole with our criminal government trashing our constitution and bill of rights. I like the Bucs too, as a follower since their beginning, yet they pale in comparison to what really matters to our future.

  113. Brandon Says:

    Brandon, go eff yourself kid. My address is 2305 Casey Key Rd in SRQ. I’ll lock the dogs up so they don’t eat you. Gate is open.

    +++++++++++

    Ha ha, yeah, I’m the kid. Good one. I’m afraid if I paid you a visit you’d need the dogs and any other help you could get.

  114. Brandon Says:

    Albuco:

    I like the Bucs too, as a follower since their beginning, yet they pale in comparison to what really matters to our future.

    ++++++++++++++

    You may be right, but football is our valued escape from such matters…but instead all it does is put us in a bad mood every week.

    There’s very little harm in a bit of lighthearted and passionate debate about the team most of us claim to love. That’s why it is so fortunate for BMA that I live in Washington DC and won’t be accepting his request to beat his ass. I’m sure he needs it, but I figure if he ever calms down or had any inclination who he was talking his moronic crap to, he would be very happy that there is a nearly 2000 mile barrier keeping him safe.

  115. SilenceTheCritics Says:

    @Brandon

    You are very predictable. I called you an idiot after you called my statement moronic. Selective reading much?

    Sorry, Chicage is not and has not been successful with the tampa 2. Success = playoffs which is something they havent done in quite a while. Neither has the Vikings. They made the playoffs for the first time in forever and then got bounced right out of the first round by a good QB. Which goes to show you that my analysis.

    If you want a defense that doesnt make the playoffs and when it rarely does, it gets bounced soon as it encounters a good QB. Have at it. I choose for better myself.

    If our great defense with Monte never made the playoffs or never won the super bowl we wouldn’t even be having this conversation. Dominate defense dont need a good offense. Unless you think Dilfer and King are stud QBs? lmao

  116. stevek Says:

    @Silence,

    The Tampa 2 and Chicago have won a helluva lot more games than us recently.

    Attribute their lack of playoffs to te offense, specifically the line. Their O-Line is terribad.

    You gotta be kidding me!

    Jared Allen is a boss, kinda like Simeon Rice was for us.

    The Tampa 2 is not dead!

    Did you see Charles Tillman play this year?

    The Bears were on a run until Urlacher got hurt.

    Ultimately, the new GM in Chicago wanted to change it up, and get more offensive.

    Lovie will land on his feet. He is a wonderful coach, and I am crossing my fingers we bring him into Tampa as Asst. HC/ DC

  117. Brandon Says:

    Uhh, Dilfer won a Super Bowl with a DOMINANT (that’s the word, not “dominate”, which you keep using) defense in 2000 with the Ravens/

    Soooo, you think your proof that the Bears and Vikings didn’t win BECAUSE their defenses let them down? That is freaking priceless. It was because of their defenses that they were even IN position to make the playoffs. That is abolutely ridiculous and even somebody with as little football knowledge as you must surely see how stupid that sounds. That is not proof of anything other than how bad their offenses are. Minnesota was one of the worst teams in throwing the ball in recent history… and on top of that, they started a backup QB in Joe Webb… and you want to blame their defense for losing that game? Good one!

    And you think it is because of their defense that the Bears didn’t make the playoffs? You don’t think that their anemic offense had something to do with that? I mean, the Bears defense alone scored NINE defensive touchdowns during the season. Those NINE defensive TDs were the second most of any player on the team, only Marshall’s eleven TDs were better. I’m pretty sure that the fact that the Bears and Vikings finished 29th and 31st in the league in passing the ball had a lot more to do with their post season inadequacies far more than their defenses both in this world and bizarro world you live in.

  118. SilenceTheCritics Says:

    @Steve K

    Who hasent won a hell of a lot more than us? If thats what you call successful… my hats off to ya.

    I never said the tampa 2 is dead. There are a few teams that run a variety of it in some shape way or form. But nobody that strictly uses a tampa 2 is successful in terms of what every teams ultimate goal is, which is to make the playoffs and then advance in the playoffs…

    The tampa 2 was great 10 years ago when it was new and fresh. But QBs have figured it out and its fading out fast. In my honest opinion that Bucs squad we had that won the super bowl wouldn’t be successful in this passing league we have today.

  119. Brandon Says:

    BTW, Lovie Smith’s firing had ZERO to do with his team’s defense. Rod Marinelli is STILL under contract with the team and will likely be retained if the new coach they hire doesn’t absolutely want him out.

    As for comparing eras… even with the ball being thrown around NFL stadiums at record numbers, most of those teams still aren’t close in terms of success when it comes to the Rams of the late 90′s and early 00′s… and which defense was it again that gave those Rams so much trouble?

  120. Brandon Says:

    STC,

    Uhhhh, the T-2 was new and fresh 10 years ago? Were you born yesterday? Dungy brought that defense over with hiim from the Vikings when he was hired in 96. Before that the Steelers and the Steel Curtain defense of the 70′s ran pretty much the same scheme, with the exception of the deep coverage responsibilities of the Mike LB.

    I agree that you can’t run T-2 on every play, Monte didn’t do that in any way shape or form when he took a defense full of has-beens and never wases to a top 10 ranking in 08. Variety and disquising looks is key in today’s NFL, but teams that use the T-2 as a staple in their defense have greatly reaped the rewards very recently. Any failure to see that is not a failure of the T-2 or the coach running it, but a failure of the casual observer to see that the implementation of the T-2 defense can be a very good thing for a team.

  121. SilenceTheCritics Says:

    @Brandon AKA Spell check queen

    I love how you seem to be more concerned with insulting and fixing other peoples spell check errors rather than having a good debate. I guess when your such a loser in real life and have nothing else to offer in a conversation you would have to resort to that to make yourself feel better. I feel sorry for your wife. Or your husband whichever you prefer. That’s assuming you could find anyone who is desperate enough to put up with that. Anyways, I’m not going to respond anymore to you after this post. Since you arent good for much else than calling people stupid and unknowledgeable. Bwahahaha…

    P.S.

    I forgive you, you tough smart guy you.

  122. BigMacAttack Says:

    Brandon, glad your in DC. You belong there with the rest of the Loud mouth elite. I love all you guys that talk tough behind your keyboards. You know where to find me boy. I only say boy because you act like one. I have been careful not to call posters names until they start running their little sucks like you did. It’s hard to argue with someone that knows everything like yourself. I just can’t show you any respect like I do other fans here, because you don’t deserve it. Doesn’t matter what you know or think you know, if you can’t communicate it without slithering through the gutter, your point is moot. You really need to grow up, maybe when you get your GED and move away from your parents you’ll get it.

  123. Brandon Says:

    I love how you are more concerned about your wittle feewings being hurt when I point out how poor of a grasp you have on the English language and never actually respond to any of the numerous facts and statistics I have presented for you to chew on.

    Yes, I have no life. As a 12th year English teacher, I am certain that my ability to point out how moronic you appear with your poorly written and worded statements will never come in handy…. Oh wait, it already has. ” I guess when your such a loser in real life” Yeah, and you didn’t use proper grammar here either. That should have read, ” when YOU’RE such a…” But you knew that already, didn’t you?

    And as for having no life, yes, my wife/husband (I really don’t care if you call me gay, I teach middle school and I’m used to hearing the children call each other gay all the time) is simply miserable because of my superior intelligence (at least when compared to yours), my kids can’t stand it because I spenjd so much time with them (especially over the summer), and the fact that I waste so many hours watching football and in the gym (oh yeah, natural bodybuilder, too), at times I wish I could get out more and sit around in bars getting fat and being a casual fan of every sport…but I care too darn much.

    What I think is funny is that when somebody gets a good tail-whupping in a debate, how they resort to tactics such as implying somebody is gay and telling them they have no life… which must be the only explanation as to why they got their teeth kicked in so bad… because the other person kicking in their teeth as no life and wants nothing in life more than totally embarrassing that person in a debate (or it’s just possible that the “no-life” person just knows that they’re talking about).. but whatever, either way, either way. I’m fine with either.

  124. Brandon Says:

    BMA,

    Another funny one by you. I didn’t realize that my Master’s Degree obtained from Old Dominion University and Bachelor’s from George Mason University (both in Virginia) was the equivalent to a GED in Florida. I honestly suspected in might be the other way around. Go figure.

    That’s great that you’re calling me an internet tough guy, I guess my legendary toughness and brashness is still apparent, even on the internet.

    Don’t worry though, I may be coming to Tampa soon enough. And if you still feel like you’re up to the task i’ll have no problem meeting you. And then of course after you meet me I’ll gladly accept your apology once you’ve realized how foolish it was to call me out. I’m actually a very friendly sort but definitely not somebody you’d see out ina club and want to pick on. I usually get accused of looking more like one of the guys that breaks up the fights at clubs, not the ones getting into them. It’s up to you. When I come down in the next year or so I’ll let you know.

  125. MadMax Says:

    WOOooooo!!! (in my best ric flair voice)….To be the man, you gotta beat the man! Lewis vs Manning. Dam it doesnt get any better than this!!!

    Im buying rounds for everyone…whats your poison? Me?, I just cracked a cold bud ice :) Go Ravens, Go Packers!!!

  126. BigMacAttack Says:

    Brandon, whatever. You’re the smart guy that called everybody out and started running your mouth. Anytime big boy, makes no diff to me. I spent 12 years in the Corps as a scout sniper and I’m sure I’ve had tougher challenges than a loud mouth college boy that played a little ball. In my world everything was for keeps. So go ahead and keep it up tough guy. Ain’t no horse can’t be road and ain’t no man can’t be throwed.

  127. MadMax Says:

    Trying to diffuse this….stop it, stop it, stop it…..theres a dam game on guys!!! And whatta game so far!!!

  128. PRBucFan Says:

    Machismo much? lol

    I’ll say this much, it’s fine to want to debate and point out the flaws in another’s argument. I feel where things go awry is when the focus of the debate becomes personal. Such as, trying to make an individual look stupid or feel offended and honestly I feel that there has been a plethora of ways that that has occurred here.
    It stopped being about football along time ago.

    Thanks MM that’s what JoeBucsFam is supposed be about hahaha ;)

  129. BigMacAttack Says:

    Guys, I agree with you and I apologize to you both. I thought we were all having a nice continuing conversation about Kiff(spelling -5pts). Then all of a sudden some adolescent jumps in and starts calling us names and saying how stupid we are. It sometimes gets in my craw, but I should have never responded in the first place, so please excuse my conduct earlier. I enjoy football, am surely no expert, and only go by what I see.

  130. BigMacAttack Says:

    How bout that Broncos v Ravens game? That was crazy.

  131. PRBucFan Says:

    Thanks bro, aint nothin but a thang haha

    That game was amazing, hands down one of the best of the year!

    I guess Flacco aint so Wacko lol

  132. lurker Says:

    stfu idiot prbucfan!

    :) lmao

    …………………….couldn’t resist

  133. PRBucFan Says:

    That not a surprise lol. ;)

  134. MadMax Says:

    No joke, that was one hell of a game, lol. I was wore out just watching it and pulling for the Ravens. They’re my fav afc team.

  135. Gus Says:

    Watching the game at a Baltimore bar. I thought the roof was gonna come off the building when Jones caught that touchdown

  136. PRBucFan Says:

    I’ve lived in the BMore area the past 8 yrs so naturally i pull for them if Tampa is out of the picture. It was pretty cool and i could hear people yelling from houses all through the street hahaha

 
 

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