Replacing Josh Freeman?

January 7th, 2013

Yesterday, Joe’s post about Josh Freeman, and what Rick Stroud of the Tampa Bay Times suggested as a less than stable future for the Bucs signal caller, blew up with 200+ comments so Joe decided to take the rest of the day off and watch football.

Well, Tampa Tribune Bucs beat writer Woody Cummings took the Freeman saga a step further in his Sunday column.

Cummings described the comments from Bucs coach Greg Schiano wanting “competition” for Freeman as nothing more than “rhetoric” and went so far as to suggest the Bucs are so unclear about Freeman’s future, the team may be looking at options to replace him after the 2013 season, the last on his current contract.

That’s what this offseason’s search for a quarterback to compete with Freeman is all about. It’s about getting ahead of the curve. It’s about preparing for the possibility of a future without Freeman.

Fast forward to late 2013 or 2014. Imagine a Bucs team with Freeman playing at the same level as this year, which is good enough to dream about making the playoffs but not quite good enough to get there.

The Bucs have imagined that scenario. Freeman has left them no other choice. He forced the issue when he suddenly went off the rails down the stretch and cost them two critical games.

Whoa! This is an eye-opener to Joe. To be honest, it would be prudent. There is no guarantee Freeman will be on the Bucs roster in 2014, and Schiano doesn’t want to be caught with his pants down having to rely on Dan Orlovsky (!) of all people to lead the team.

Joe has gone on record as stating the Bucs should try to re-sign Freeman now to a very team-friendly, incentive-laden contract, as Freeman has little leverage currently. Apparently, this is not in the Bucs plans.

Cummings’ information pretty much reinforces what Joe has been preaching for the past week: That getting “competition” for Freeman doesn’t add up in that it means even less snaps for Freeman and when you are trying to develop a quarterback, that’s actually a backwards method. The quarterback you want to develop needs more snaps, not less.

Cummings also throws out two names that Bucs fans may want to monitor as potential draft picks: Landry Jones of Oklahoma and/or E.J. Manuel of Florida State. A pick like that, Cummings explains, is no different than what the 49ers did in drafting Colin Kaepernick. If starter Alex Smith improved, he would be entrenched as the Niners quarterback. If he slipped, the Niners had a Plan B.

69 Responses to “Replacing Josh Freeman?”

  1. CC Says:

    Nothing wrong with a “plan B”, just ask the Vikings.

  2. Brad Says:

    Whoa.. Not sure if what Cummings wrote is earth shattering. Want to know the value of a good backup just look at the games from this weekend. If what yesterday proved is Josh Freeman is and can be the man. I didn’t see any earth shattering QB play yesterday that Freeman can’t match. All this Freeman bashing is such an overblown ridiculous talk I just don’t get it. He had a couple bad games, few mediocre games, and some really good games. Everyone seems way to focused on the couple bad games. The coaches need to analyze those games so we don’t have any repeat performances. I feel good about our QB position. Not sure who or what the Freeman bashers want to have happen but unless their into rebuilding for a couple more years lets hope a change doesn’t happen. If anything the play of Luck, RG3, and Wilson are building false hope in many clubs and in the long run can ruin the growth and potential for good QB play that may need time to develop.. Not everyone is going to be able to step on the field and be great from the get go.. By the end of next week we won’t have any rookies playing and then the real future begins going forward and how good these guys really are. My prediction is Luck will be the only great one.

  3. KT Says:

    LOL @ CC, for more hilarious news on ineffective QB competition we now look at the Arizona Cardnals. How did that three ring circus of garbage work out? This is the stuff that gets coaches fired sooner rather than later, but hey we all know Dominik will make the right move… Right?? (Sigh)

  4. Justin Says:

    EJ Manuel? May God help us if that guy gets under center for the Bucs.

  5. Jessup Says:

    EJ Manuel is probably the most likely. If he is there in the 2nd round, I’ll be expecting the Bucs to take him. Not saying he is the answer, but I do think they’ll take him if he’s there.

  6. Jessup Says:

    At least we’d have our back up QB in place…..

  7. the_buc_realist Says:

    @Joe
    How do you know that the Bucs have not sent a low ball offer to Freeman’s agent. And Freeman’s agent telling the Bucs that the offer is insulting. I think this scenario happens alot more than we hear about.

  8. BucfaninMi Says:

    Brad is right, RGIII is already damaged goods.

  9. Ian's Gay Lisp & Ron's Drinking Problem Says:

    Bring in Veteran, Alex Smith…and may the best Mental Case win!!!!!!!

  10. RustyRhino Says:

    09-13 is Freemans rookie contract, let Freeman play out his rookie contract. If the owners and GM and coaches believe he has earned another contract. Freeman will get one. If those in charge of the purse strings decide he has not shown enough moxie then it is time to move on. I do want to see Freeman with our two starting pro bowl guards in front of him. I think this will make a big difference in his pocket pressence, but only if we have continuity at the OC position. I like our offenses direction under coach Sullivan.

  11. Pewter_Power Says:

    Would be a good plan as long as they’re spot on in their evaluation and able to properly develop the guy. I’d they can’t do that then this franchise will be set back. Any viable veterans out there that might be able to bridge the gap it need be?

  12. Ramdog Says:

    I like this idea and it shows the organization is forward thinking. Who knows how Freeman will perform next year. I am a Freeman supporter but his last 3 or 4 games were very distressing. As far as the choices listed above I think the BUCS could get either of these QB’s in the 3rd or 4th. Heck if there is someone they think is quality in the 2nd round take him.

    However, they have needs at corner and supposedly there are 3 really good corners then a huge drop-off. Their other major area of need (D-Line) is apparently extremely deep this draft. A possibility is Barkley could fall and they could trade back into the late first and nab him.

    Also I am not 100% sure these are the guys the BUCS are really looking at as Dominik plays it close to the vest and is unlikely to leak out who they like for fear someone else may get him. Suffice it to say they want a smart, accurate QB known for making good decisions under pressure one who doesn’t make stupid mistakes and turn the ball over at inopportune times. I think Schiano especially hates that more than anything.

    I like Freeman I think he is a great person, and has a lot of talent but I am a true BUCS fan in that I want what is best for the team. If Freeman performs fantastic sign him to a juicy contract he has earned it. If not show him the door but in order to do that you must have a backup plan.

    I would like the BUCS to sign him to an incentive laden contract that is team friendly though so if he doesn’t perform he can be trade bait and has enough game film to make teams salivate at his potential.

  13. AmbushBuc Says:

    @KT
    You call Arizona a three-ring circus, and you are correct. But the sad fact is that Kevin Kolb is a better QB than Josh Freeman. So what does that make the Bucs for sticking with him?

  14. Macabee Says:

    It is always a good idea to have a promising back-up or QB-in-waiting. Remember, Aaron Rodgers sat in the lab 3 years behind Farve before taking the reins and another couple of years before producing.

    But that’s not what we’re talking about here. We’re talking about a replacement for Josh assuming he can’t cut it in 2013, his final contract year. That replacement would presumably take us where Freeman could never go –to the football promised land.

    First, list all the previous franchise QBs the Bucs have had in their 37 year history and the best you’re going to come up with is Brad Johnson – an average QB that won us a Super Bowl.

    So now we’re going to FA and get a back-up QB that can’t start for another NFL team or take a mid-round pick in the draft hoping for another Tom Brady and go straight-away to the playoffs and subsequently to the Super Bowl. In the words of a former Bengal, Patriot, Dolphin WR – Child Please!

    The best thing the Bucs can do and what we all better hope for is that they do what it looks like they’re going to do with the restructuring that has already begun is go out and get the defensive players and perhaps another offensive player that would help an average QB like Brad Johnson win again!

  15. Brad Says:

    @ambush.. Your nuts. No way. Not even close.

  16. BucDan Says:

    I agree with Macabee. Another offensive weapon in the slot matched with a sizeable TE (like the kid from ND), coupled with the return of the Bucs starting offensive line SHOULD lead to a major improvement. Shore up the secondary with some good corners and we might be going places. This is a team game and everybody needs to ‘do their job’ for things to work. I love that Schiano is a technique freak because in most cases, if two players are evenly matched, the one with better technique will prevail. Move that to all eleven on the field at a time and you have a well oiled machine working at top efficiency. I’m looking forward to a much improved 2013 as 2012 showed that we are moving in the right direction.

  17. Noleriff Says:

    …as an FSU alum, I have to say that EJ Manuel would be a HUGE mistake…EJ is a virtual clone of Freeman…flashes of brilliance surrounded enormous inconsistency….Landry Jones all day long if you if you can get him in the later rounds…otherwise you could probably go out and get a Kevin Kolb for cheap…hs problems in Arizona were more the OC there than anything else…also wouldn’t surprise me if Tennessee dumps Hasselbeck, which would be more to my liking…not a solution, but a nice plan B

  18. Raphael Says:

    Be careful …Josh could just sign with another team…then we are screwed !

  19. Tomcin Says:

    I watched Manuel the past couple of years & imo I think he is a poor man’s Freeman. Definetely not a 2nd rd. pick At best a 5th.

  20. Marknlutz Says:

    Only because it they the Bucs could someone possibly even suggest E.J Manuel and Landry Jones as a replacement all ,in the same sentence. Please say it ain’t so.

  21. Jose Says:

    HOLD UP AM MINUTE!!!!

    How the hell do you call Kevin Kolb a better qb than Freeman??? Thats just idiotic!!! Tipical coment from a koolaid drinking,sport center zombie,highlight real drueler Buccaneer fan.

    The Bucs will NOT draft another qb in the first 4 rounds and they will extend Freeman in the off season thats the reason they cleared all that cap room.Like I said on the other post last night Josh is no different that another 26 qb’s in the league right now and I would take him above 20 of them any day if he had had a better deffence he would have played yesterday.

  22. bucrightoff Says:

    After the last Freeman article had something like 250 comments, I expect a Freeman article a day from here on out.

  23. the_buc_realist Says:

    i just wish we had a GM like Bruce Allen who know how to pull the trigger on a good QB. Man i miss winning the Division Champions and going to the playoffs.

  24. Lakeland fan Says:

    We already have a EJ that sucks.

  25. Tim Says:

    My god. It’s gonna be a long off season if we have one of these stories everyday. Still find it funny that everyone wants to run the qb with the best offense this team has ever seen out of town. I do think we need a better back up plan than we have. But I don’t see us getting anything better than him soon. We will just Draft a new qb everyone wants to get rid of after a few games

  26. the_buc_realist Says:

    @tim

    I guess some fans are happy finishing 4th,3rd,4th and 4th in the division. I am glad you are satisfied with Freeman Fantasy numbers. I would rather see the team have success and go to the playoffs.

  27. Jose Says:

    thanks Tim ;-)

  28. Tim Says:

    So you think Freeman is our biggest problem? And not the defense? Of course Freeman could be better. But if we have a middle of the road defense we would have made the playoffs. But no let’s pin it all on Josh because he had a couple bad games to end the year,,

  29. Sneedy16 Says:

    I find it funny that one guy can bring up such a debate. Bruce Allen? That was funny it’s more Mike Shanahan, because when was in Tampa for 6 years he didn’t pull any trigger except for Gaines Adams instead of trading up for Calvin Johnson who Gruden wanted.

  30. DanTheMan Says:

    Landry Jones? EJ Manuel? Awful.

  31. Fan Says:

    I wish you guys would really take a look at the situation. The other day I said “I can’t believe that I’m going to say this but it might be time to trade Freeman”. Now after I step back and evaluated my thoughts a swell as the games of the year, there is no way I would pull that trigger!! Think about his olineman 2 TOP NOTCH probowlers out for the season come on!! Then no help from the defense in certain situations. If Freeman was on the team when Sapp, Lynch, Alstott, and the golden club we would have won more than one championship because the defense would have helped him. As far as E.J. Manuel come on that guy could never lead the Bucs to nothing. He would be a good backup, but you could resign Josh Johnson for that!

  32. the_buc_realist Says:

    @sneedy16

    I was just mentioning that where ever Bruce Allen is, his teams are in the playoffs. Oakland, Tampa, and now the Redskins. Cannot say the same for Dominick.

  33. crazy Says:

    This sounds about right. After all the OC interviewed for a frozen pasture job and the QB coach left for better a beachfront pasture. Neither sounds like the actions of coaches sold on a franchise QB. No team suffers from better competition and better depth at key positions.

  34. Bucnjim Says:

    I don’t understand why so many people on this board are so negative. Did anyone actually think there was enough talent on this team at the beginnig of the year to make the playoffs? Just about everyone including the Pro’s in Vegas had the Bucs at 6-10 or 7-9. This was the first year since 2008 that I’ve been really excited about the direction of the team. The offense with Martin and Jackson will only get better especially with a healthy offensive line. The front 7 of the defense looks very much improved. The special teams may need a returner, but Conner Barth and Michael Koenen give us a great kicker and punter.

    I’ve been a fan since the 80′s and never have I seen a Buccaneer offense so exciting to watch. Fan’s get on Freeman, but he’s never going to be a Brees or a Brady. These guys come a long once every 10 years or so! Freeman has shown he can be very good. Inconsistancy drives everyone crazy even the coaches. The thing is for every bad throw he’s made there has been one where you’re in awe going holy crap where did that come from. I’d really like to see what he could do with a healthy offensive line. So in my opinion I’d like give him time to mature. I think fans will be surpised.

  35. Ramdog Says:

    Gruden also wanted Aaron Rodgers and Adrian Peterson. Allen vetoed those too. Glad we had Allen he drafted so many good players for us that make awesome veterans for our rookies to emulate (extreme Sarcasm here). At least Dominik seems to listen to Schiano and they appear on the same page I think last years draft was indicative of what we can expect from them in the future.

    As far as Freeman goes. I think they will draft a QB and have a wait and see approach on Freeman. If Freeman plays up to his potential and/or takes us deep into the playoffs he will be resigned or franchised. If not bye, bye and rightfully so. No one coaches, GM, experts, Josh himself and fans alike appreciated his meltdown down the stretch (1-5 record QB rating never exceeding 80). This has caused everyone to take a wait and see approach on him.

    I am curious to see what we do in the off-season and draft. If we sign Josh it depends on the terms of the deal how the organization view him. If we don’t and we draft a QB they seriously question Josh. If we do neither I seriously question the coach and GM. So let’s just see what happens.

  36. 1976Buc Says:

    EJ Manuel = possibly the only qb more inconsistent than Freeman.

  37. FLBoyInDallas Says:

    Joe…first you say it would be prudent to bring in another QB that has the capacity to start if Freeman isn’t here in 2014, then you follow it up by saying this confirms your position that competition isn’t realistic. Am I misunderstanding something here? How exactly does competition confirm non-competition? You may have already answered this above but I’m not in the mood to read all 34 previous comments this morning.

  38. Joe Says:

    FLBoyInDallas:

    Am I misunderstanding something here?

    Yes.

  39. FLBoyInDallas Says:

    As for EJ Manuel, why in the world would the Bucs want to draft an even less talented version of Freeman? That’s exactly what Manuel is. Makes absolutely no sense. Someone at One Buc must be blowing smoke up Cummings’ skirt ’cause there’ll be snow in hell before the Bucs draft that guy.

    I’d be looking at Landry Jones, Aaron Murray, Ryan Nassib or Zac Dysert as the guy. If I were a betting man I’d be putting some cash on one of those four names being in a Bucs uniform come April.

  40. Joe Says:

    Ramdog:

    Gruden also wanted Aaron Rodgers and Adrian Peterson.

    Make no mistake. It was Chucky who always — except for one year — had the final say on drafts.

  41. Tim Says:

    I am 20 plus year buc fan that being said I never thought our beloved franchise would have a quarterback with Freeman’s skills. He set franchise records while stinking up the field half of the season. That tells me two things a) the sad history of buc’s qb’s b) Buc fans have never had a good qb to compare josh with and are really overreacting to his poor performance. yes he sucked a few games. but remember a few games he played like no other buc qb in history. frustrated yes… ticket out of town stupid move at this point.

    I personally think everyone needs to take a medical vacation to Colorado and relax a bit.

    Freeman has had a lot of turmoil with the Rah Rah crew. I think he has handled himself well in the locker room and community. I think Boomer Easison is a tool and his comments are meaningless. Anyhow, this will be the first full off season he will be able to study his previous season with same which competent coaches have evaluated that is assuming no one steals Sullivan. Hopefully the Glazer geeks step up and prevent any vultures swooping in. I think he makes huge strides this off season and the Buc’s will RULE the south next year. Count It!

  42. Joe Says:

    FlBoyinDallas:

    As for EJ Manuel, why in the world would the Bucs want to draft an even less talented version of Freeman?

    To be fair, one of the biggest knocks on Freeman coming out of college was his poor completion percentage. E.J. Manuel’s college completion percentage is much better than Freeman’s.

  43. Mr. Patrick Says:

    If anyone has watched E.J. Manuel play as much as I and the other Seminole fans have, you see the same things you see in Josh, good size, strong arm, good mobility, cant read coverages, stares down recievers, and inconsistant to the point where sometimes he looks great, but mostly couldn’t fall out of a boat and hit water. If they do go the draft a QB route, Bray from TENN. looks like he will be a winner in the NFL. Was the best player on a horrible team.

  44. FLBoyInDallas Says:

    Granted, his completion percentage may be higher but if you watch him he’s consistently inconsistent. He tends to falter in the red zone and he just doesn’t have what it takes to close out games against good competition. He doesn’t have that “it” factor and isn’t a natural winner or leader. I’ve never watched a single game of Manuel’s where I said to myself, “Wow I could see that guy being a coveted draft pick.”

    If we’re gonna get a new QB it needs to be someone who has all the qualities that Freeman doesn’t. Not a guy who’s basically the same but with a little higher completion percentage and a little more speed. We need a QB with great intangibles, a nose for closing out games, consistent performance and 60%+ accuracy in college. It’s just my opinion that EJ Manuel is not that guy.

  45. ALSTOTTSMART! Says:

    I’m a Nole, through and through, but, please no EJ. He is essentially Jason Campbell.

    Just get a pocket passer with pinpoint accuracy and a medium arm. I don’t need the measurables (6’5″, 40 time, etc), nor do I need a runner who will get dinged by mid season.

    Tampa has a RB now, now go get a PASSER. An ACCURATE passer.

  46. ALSTOTTSMART! Says:

    EJ’s completion percentage was high because Jimbo called the right plays for him (he knew his limitations). But, he throws high way too often, and cannot get guys in stride nearly as much as need be. EJ struggled going through his reads way too much.

  47. SirustheVirus Says:

    8years took Drew Brees to get a Superbowl, P. Manning 7years, Steve Young 10years. Not saying sign Freeman to a 10 year deal, but at least give him this year. Competition isn’t bad. Joe Montana was about to be replace with Steve Young then boom Montana won 2 more superbowl. Not comparing Freeman to him,but you have to give time The Bills, Browns, Jaguars, Chiefs, Raiders, would all kill for a Freeman and were ready to just dump him. Well when we do that we become those teams.

  48. Miguel El Magnifico Says:

    “Landry Jones? EJ Manuel? Awful.”

    I don’t think Jones gets drafted at all and EJ goes in the 5th round or worse. Then they can pick him up off waivers when he gets cut and put him on the practice squad.

    I like Bray from Tennessee but don’t think he’s eligible.

    If they don’t trade Gosh while he still has value, everyone gets fired when he walks next year. If they give him the $150,000,000 he wants, everyone gets fired next year. If they don’t extend him, Gosh pouts his way to bottom of the NFL standings and everyone gets fired.

    New Coach/GM drafts Jadeveon Clowney. CITS Stadium gets sold out with crazed fans either wearing Duck masks or clown paint.

  49. BigMacAttack Says:

    Bruce Allen is not a great GM but I think he has learned from his myriad of mistakes with the Bucs. Chucky should have drafted Adrian Peterson but he drafted for need instead of taking a truly special player. Big Mistake which turned into nothing, a big fat zero.

    This will all work out. The Glazers have far too much invested for it not to work out. May take a little while, but patience is running out, I’m sure at 1 Buc’s fancy offices.

    It is truly baffling how Freeman can play so well and then up and fall off the face of the Earth in a split second. I pray he is seeing a Shrink right now. Maybe he just needs a good beating in OTA’s. Just let the defense start teeing off on him until he isn’t scared any longer. Talk about a deer in the headlights, he’s the epitome. The guy is chalk full talent if he can just remove head from A$$. Please wake up Josh.

  50. Miguel El Magnifico Says:

    The simple fact that they’re blowing smoke about these scrubs tells us that they are moving fast to trade or replace Gosh with a #1 pick.

    They’re playing poker, liars poker.

  51. SilenceTheCritics Says:

    Absolutely nothing wrong with being prepared. But somebody isnt doing there job if they are looking at EJ Manuel. We can do much better than that.

  52. Hawaiian Buc Says:

    “The simple fact that they’re blowing smoke about these scrubs tells us that they are moving fast to trade or replace Gosh with a #1 pick.”

    ——

    Seriously dude, how many times are you going to repeat the same stupid nonsense? And how many times must I tell you that even if they wanted to, NOBODY is giving up a first round pick for Freeman. You understand absolutely nothing about this type of thing, and it just makes you look rather foolish. He’s on the last year of his contract, no way in hell we make the trade, and no way in hell anybody makes that trade (uh, hello, he could walk away after one year). It’s great you have an opinion about the issue, but can you please stop clogging up the boards with stupidity? We have as much chance of getting a #1 pick for Freeman as we do of getting Tom Brady. It won’t happen, period.

    I actually agree with you on Bray, and he has declared for the draft. I have a feeling he’s going to blow people away at the combine (he’s got a rocket arm), and he’s going to move up into the first round. He is not worth taking the risk there, because he is a carbon copy of Josh Freeman (inaccurate at times, gets very hot and very cold, but has a huge arm and can make every throw in the book). If he’s available in the third or late second, I’m all for grabbing him (obviously we would have to trade to get there if he’s in the late second). However, I still don’t think he’s a lock to be a better option than Freeman, but he’s worth a shot.

  53. Miguel El Magnifico Says:

    It would be very simple to call Gosh’s agent and tell him to find a suitable trade. The price would have to be a #1 pick no higher than the six overall.

    The agent would have the right to negotiate a new longer term contract that would suit Freeman and his new team prior to completing the trade .

    I really like Tyler Bray, I’ve only seen him a couple times but was very impressed. I thought he was a sophomore. How time flies.

    Is Gruden going to have those QB Camps again? Kind of like those.

  54. FloridaGirl Says:

    Prudent planning…it’s about time and just makes sense……if Freeman gains consistency, we’ve got a better backup than currently on the books and possibly a trading piece in the out years.

  55. Hawaiian Buc Says:

    Agents don’t negotiate trades. Oh my goodness, did you really just say that? This is why it’s hard to even have a legitimate debate with you, because you are so completely ignorant as to how things work. Second, you can’t negotiate a contract with one team while the player isn’t even on that team.

    And for at least the 10th time – Freeman isn’t worth that much!!!!!!!!! Don’t be stupid. He wasn’t even a top 10 pick himself, but still hasn’t lived up to expectations. We won’t even get a first round pick for him, maybe not even a second. Please, I beg of you, stop with the complete stupidity. Why don’t we just trade Quincy Black for a first round pick too while we’re at it? Maybe Sammie Stroughter could get us the Jags pick. I know, let’s trade Dallas Clark for Jimmy Graham and a first round pick!

  56. SirustheVirus Says:

    Schiano whould be dumb to not give Freeman a chance. Everyone who has beeen a Bucs fan knows the bad QB we have had. Now we have a guy that helped us get a top 10 offense and we want to send him away. We fired got rid of everyone on the team that was a coach. Sounds to me Freeman hasn’t had no one to help develop him. He needs to be pushed and I agree with competition, but I don’t think it’s to replace him. Schiano’s first year with that QB. Looked like a pretty good first year under yet again a new offense that he has to learn get comfortable in. Build chemistry with WRs. Jackson,Clark,and Underwood weren’t on the team last year . What did you expect him to not miss some passes because he’s not used to how a WR breaks out of routes. Let’s not blame some of the pass dropped by WRs. It’s a “Team Game” If I’m going to point the finger and blame someone it’s the Coach. Hell if the defense played like they did against the Falcons this last game, we would have won more games.

  57. PRBucFan Says:

    I’m not biting on another one of these lol

    No ty Joe hahaha

  58. SilenceTheCritics Says:

    There will be no excuses next year. Lol

  59. PRBucFan Says:

    I’ll cosign on that hahahaha

  60. Buccsfan76 Says:

    Steve Young 2.0

  61. Hawaiian Buc Says:

    I know all this Freeman talk “moves the needle”, but I’m so over it already. Barring something crazy, he’s going to be our QB next year. I’m going to support him until he’s gone, which I hope is many years down the road when his trophy cabinet at home gets full from Super Bowl MVP trophies. Everyone has their opinion, and I really can’t argue too much against those who want him gone. However, he probably won’t be gone, so I choose to spend my time on other things, instead of the at least once daily “Josh Freeman must go” conversation.

  62. Miguel El Magnifico Says:

    “Agents don’t negotiate trades. Oh my goodness, did you really just say that? This is why it’s hard to even have a legitimate debate with you, because you are so completely ignorant as to how things work. Second, you can’t negotiate a contract with one team while the player isn’t even on that team.”

    Agents are able to negotiate everything all they need is permission to talk to another team.

    Everytime there’s a coaching change in football Gruden’s agent is throwing his hat into the ring. How do you think Gruden was traded to the Bucs? I don’t think Jon was even aware of it.

    “Second, you can’t negotiate a contract with one team while the player isn’t even on that team. ”

    Yes, you can I believe it’s called a contingency. Sometimes you sound like my drunken older brother.

  63. Hawaiian Buc Says:

    No, agents can do nothing more than test the water, and only with permission. That is a far cry from negotiating a trade. An agent throwing a hat in the ring is not the same as negotiating a deal genius. They leak it to the media so teams believe he’s a hot commodity. You just make yourself look more stupid with every single post. Just stop already, you are emberassing yourself.

    Just because it’s called a contingency doesn’t mean it’s within the rules. I’m glad you know the definition of the word contingency, but I wish you had any idea what you were talking about.

  64. BucFan20 Says:

    Look at it this way. His first year was only part of a year and so so. One year he is called the “come back kid”. Why did he always have to come back to win games? One year. Well let’s try to forget that year!!! This year it was all phases. Come back Kid, So So and Let’s forget that year. Now with this history in mind, just what are we to look forward to next season?
    I don’t care if he throws for 5000 yards. If he can’t come up with better plays than a bootleg to nowhere on the goal line . Or have the brain power to be able to call a play when his helmet speaker goes out what good is he? All those yards that don’t lead to scores are worthless. Great they set records. SO WHAT? How many only got us in Field goal range as usual that cost us games? No more excuses. I am 100% behind any idea for a plan B.

  65. PRBucFan Says:

    @Miguel

    Totally unrelated to this topic:

    But how bout your man Kelly? I for one am happy we didn’t get a coach as fickle as him whose liable to bounce after one season.

  66. Patrick Says:

    Freeman being the best quarterback in Bucs history isn’t saying much considering how historically bad this franchise has been at the quarterback position.

    This is a club that has missed the playoffs in 27 out of their 37 seasons in the NFL. I’m just saying.

  67. PRBucFan Says:

    Exactly Pat

  68. SirustheVirus Says:

    That’s my point 37 years. Looks like finding a franchise QB isn’t that easy. Freeman is the best option right now. Please show me someone in free agency or the draft that would could get thats better than him. Any QB you bring in here will fail if the defense gives up more points than we can score. If we would have used all those top picks on offense instead of a d-line who had 27 sacks 3rd worst in the nfl. Must be Freemans fault to why we can’t get sacks.

  69. PRBucFan Says:

    That’s easy, any consistently average QB would be better than him at this point.
    He can’t even manage a game successfully at the moment.

 
 

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