What’s The Impact Of Dominik’s Lost Scouting?

January 18th, 2012

One would think Bucs rockstar general manager Mark Dominik is spending day and night poring over game film of Bucs head coaching candidates and burning up phone lines investigating each one.

Remember, this is the man who led the charge to interrogate Mike Williams’ third-grade teacher to talk about his behavior.

After all, there is no more important decision on the table than who becomes the Bucs’ ninth head coach and Dominik is spearheading the search. There will be no anointing of a 32-year-old assistant this time around.

But that makes Joe wonder, especially as many project the head coaching search could last at least two more weeks and then key assistants will need contracts, how might all of Dominik’s lost player-evaluation time affect the Bucs when draft-time rolls around?

Dominik normally would be knee-deep now in East West Shrine Game practice and then moving on to the Senior Bowl after the Shrine Game concludes on Saturday. These are like the OTAs of draft season and Dominik is stuck in a lockout.

It was at Senior Bowl practice last year, for example, when Mason Foster heavily aroused Raheem Morris and Dominik. (Click on through if you’re longing for a rambling Raheem quote.)

The point is Dominik could very well be short 200+ hours of evaluation time by the time the Bucs have a coaching staff in place. Sure, the Bucs have a full scouting team, but Dominik is very hands-on. And Joe hasn’t heard of the Bucs making any additions to account for Dominik’s lost time.

Joe realizes Bucs fans in the anti-Dominik camp will answer the headline question with one word answer: nothing. But Joe’s not so sure.

70 Responses to “What’s The Impact Of Dominik’s Lost Scouting?”

  1. s.marco Says:

    Maybe if the scouts have more say about who we draft this year, the picks will actually pan out.

  2. Brad Says:

    @joe.. You know what your doing because I’m pretty sure you will be getting a lot more than 1 word answers. You open an article about Dominik and you will get many eyes and many responses. To start it will be highlighted that he has plenty of time. He knocks off at 4 that gives him plenty of time to see how the Bucs can be the youngest team again. He seems to not work weekends either as no news seems to come out about whats going on then so this gives him two days of doing nothing but looking at film. Do we really want this guy evaluating anything at this point. A good GM has a good scouting team to delegate too but wait I said a good GM so I guess it is up to him to watch film. IMO, Dominik would be better served with is more than ample free time in looking at what FA’s are going to be available. If he sticks with his ridiculous plan of not signing FA then it won’t matter who is hired as head coach or who is drafted, the fan base will show up at One Buc Place with torches and pitchforks.

  3. TheProsUseAdvoCare Says:

    I highly doubt he isn’t scouting draft picks and free agency as we speak. The search for head coaches is far less engulfing than the hiring of draft picks adn free agents. The team evaluates hundreds of players every off season as where they generally only evaluate 10-20 coaching prospects in specific hiring season.

    There is no way that all of his 50-60 hour work week is being consumed by hiring coaches. With only 5 or so interviews complete, there is plenty of time in between interviews for player evaluation.

  4. Dave Says:

    Every expert in the world has praised Mark Dom’s drafts the past 3 years. He has made alot of the right picks. They go 10-6 and have UFAs stepping up into roles when they had a lot of injuries and everyone praised the depth they were developing through the draft.

    1 horrible year… no, scratch that……… 2 1/2 horrible months and no all of sudden the drafts are horrible, he never works long enough, and he sucks.

    Most Fans are unbelievable to me how they blow with the wind. Thank G*d most are not in charge of teams …. some are (Snyder) and we all see how that works out.

  5. TheProsUseAdvoCare Says:

    @Dave Nailed it.

  6. bucfanjeff Says:

    Ditto Dave, ditto.

  7. Bobby C Says:

    dave your an idiot, the people standing in line to praise dom is a short one, Every single one of the draft picks that you are saying were studs, are now confirmed duds, so if you would please back away from the bar, it would be appreciated.

  8. A REAL Bucs Fan Says:

    @Dave
    Well said… though you neglect to mention year one…which was totally on the shoulders of Dominick. Raheem had zero power through most of that year.

    QUESTION: Did they fire all of the scouts as well, Joe?

  9. Brad Says:

    @Dave. I have no problem with whom was drafted. I have a problem with the plan of no FA’s when every other team was improving their teams. We stood pat and essentially got worse by doing nothing. He lets the good FA’s go and two guys that wanted to stay and didn’t replace them. He says it’s all about 5 and does nothing to help the cause other than drafting Stocker who did nothing. He hired or approved of a coaching staff that for the most part responsible for the worst team in the NFL. Then he signs two guys that didn’t deserve anything in Clayton and Black. He then extends a contract to a two time pot smoker and allowed players that needed discipline to run wild. What has this guy done that makes anyone believe he can lead a franchise? For me he’s proved why he shouldn’t.

  10. stevek Says:

    Dav, C’mon man!

    Myron Lewis? could of been Jimmy Graham

    Derrick Ward? You gotta be kidding me?

    Jim Bates as D Coordinator? LOL you serious?

    Jagodzinski as OC? That lasted a long time.

    Talib, not cut? wow great decision.

    NO FA’s last offseason other then a soccer player? HA!

    Quincy Black- resigned?

    Michael Clayton Extension?

    Not a Rock Star, it is what it is, brutiful!

  11. stevek Says:

    There is only 1 rockstar GM in Tampa, and his name is Andrew Freidman. Go Rays!

    Freidman would do better then DOM, factoid.

  12. TheProsUseAdvoCare Says:

    @stevek Myron was a pick everyone was excited about. He was regarded as a great pick with that spot. Hind sight is 20/20. Graham would not be doing what he is now if it weren’t for Brees. Graham needs Brees, not the other way around.

    Everyone and their mothers wanted Ward to come here. He failed the Bucs, not the other way around. Every wanted a big name FA at RB. We got one and he failed, not Dom. He didn’t produce and was cut. Hired Blount. Problem solved.

    I too question the Bates hire. He didn’t work so he was cut. Hopefully the glazers will invest this round of hires.

    The Jagodzinski hire was considered a smart move by many. It just didn’t work out with the HC the Glazer’s hired. He didn’t work out so he was cut. Hopefully the Glazers will invest this round of hires.

    Everyone is complaining that we need more talent at CB yet you are complaining because we have kept the only talent we have at CB…..

    Black: still scratching my head. He isn’t producing, so I’m betting he is cut unless he has a stellar season this year.

    Clayton: still scratching my head. He didn’t produce and was cut. Drafted two WRs. Problem solved.

  13. thomas 2.2 Says:

    Dave:

    The team has won 17 games in 3 years under Dom. last place, next to last, and last place division finishes. A 0-7 and 0-10 streak to bracket those 3 years.

    There is no way, with the nebefit of hindsight, that anyone would say that Dom has drafted well yet. How many of his draft picks have made a pro bowl?

    How many of his draft picks are top 10 in their position in the NFL?

    That is not pretty after 3 years.

  14. eric Says:

    My personal perference would be to have hired Marty and he went to the game to give some sorely needed assistance to the Rockstar. Plus a draft and FA consultant.

    But i am sure they have extensive film for him to work his infamous draft day magic later on, plus the combine and private work outs and all.

    What I am a bit concerned about is the now dwindling pool of DC’s. Nolan with Dirty Birds and Spags talking to the Saints. Sorta a scary lineup for rock’s team to play next year.

    The public list doesnt have any DC that could be hired later, although that isnt the case with OC – If Chilly, or Clements, or possibly Sherman grab ya.

    Sherman and CHilly grab me like a turn your head and cough exam.

  15. ZanyZack Says:

    Dominik better be investing every last second into everything around this coaching search and coaching staff. You start reaching out to assistants now and vetting them and compiling a deep list at each position to present to your new head coach in case he can’t get his guys or offers up a guy with issues.

  16. Apple Roof Cleaning Says:

    Stevek, great post! Besides Graham, we also could have had Jason Paul Pierre.
    But, word has it that at 4 pm (when the rockstar takes off) that traffic is pretty bad between 1 Buc Place and USF, and so Jason Paul Pierre wasn’t scouted.

  17. Meh Says:

    Myron was not a pick that everyone praised. He was a huge reach and got an overwhelming “Who? Why?” when he was picked. And he’s been a total bust.

  18. jvato24 Says:

    Funny,
    Schottenheimer thinks we have a great intriguing young team to work with. I guess you dumbasses are smarter than him.

    Dominik is far from perfect but as the youngest GM in the league he has done well. I dont want to hear anything about FAs. The owners made it clear they would not pursue any FAs until we had a core. FACT – the owners were not gonna let us get any FAs. But that will change soon.

  19. jvato24 Says:

    Myron Lewis looked like an awesome draft pick. But he is a flat out bust right now. The thing is how can you expect all picks to be Pro Bowlers ??

    Lets start comparing drafts to the Bruce Allen era. or better yet start pulling the last 3 Patriots, Steelers and Packers drafts and you will see some flat out busts there as well.

    Some people just get soft with money in their pocket too.

  20. bucfanjeff Says:

    @2.2 – I think what you are referring to is coaching, not talent – which ultimately is why Raheem was fired. You don’t go 10-6 in the NFL without some talent.

  21. stevek Says:

    10-6 was a fluke, as proved by the BUCs this year.

    10-6 looks like crap, when it is surrounded by 3-13 and 4-12.

    JVato: “Dom has done well as the youngest GM in the league”.

    Fair enough, but I don’t want any more “Youngry” Excuses.

    DOM needs to show me something with this offseason: NEW HC, NEW FA’s, and NEW Draft. This year will determine.

    Jury is still out for GMC and Dom, this year should tell all.

  22. Brad Says:

    @bucjeff. Speaking of going 10-6 the pop star was front and center taking all the credit and getting nicknames. Where has he been this year. He has been hiding and not stepping up and taking responsibility. That is not a sign of a goid GM. He is a spotlight seeker when things look good but cowards when things are bad.

  23. stevek Says:

    @ Brad,

    Cowards take off at 4 pm everyday.

    We want and deserve a winner, and some accountability all the way up from the players to the GM.

    Bring in Marty!

  24. A REAL Bucs Fan Says:

    Brad Says:
    …I have a problem with the plan of no FA’s when every other team was improving their teams. We stood pat and essentially got worse by doing nothing. He lets the good FA’s go and two guys that wanted to stay and didn’t replace them.

    1) He says it’s all about 5 and does nothing to help the cause other than drafting Stocker who did nothing.

    2) He hired or approved of a coaching staff that for the most part responsible for the worst team in the NFL.

    3) Then he resigns two guys that didn’t deserve anything in Clayton and Black.

    4) He then extends a contract to a two time pot smoker and allowed players that needed discipline to run wild.

    5) What has this guy done that makes anyone believe he can lead a franchise? For me he’s proved why he shouldn’t.

    Hope you don’t mind I broke that down to address the thing you said:

    1) I would not say he did nothing:
    2009
    Drafted Josh Freeman
    Drafted Sammie Stroughter,
    Brought in Kellen Winslow, Jr.

    2010
    Drafted Mike Williams (had a slump this year but it’s common for 2nd year WRs, he’ll get it together)
    Drafted Arrelious Benn (Slow developer, but doesn’t mean he won’t be good. Benn is one of those guys that can stretch the field…if given the opportunities. He was not given them this year or last)

    2011 With the success of the previous year, roster spots are limited, so fewer picks will make the team)
    Drafted Luke Stocker
    Drafted Allen Bradford (did not work out for whatever reason; personally, I thought they should have kept him for at least a year)
    Drafted Daniel Hardy (Did not make the cut)

    In addition, he signed players like Dezmon Briscoe, LeGarrette Blount, Preston Parker, Barth, Connor (kickers count too).

    2) As much as I want to deny that…it’s true.

    3) We had the cap room. Financially it did not hurt, and he was trying to develop continuity after last year’s 10-6 season. By all appearances, things were getting better at that point. Plus, both were veterans…something this team needs.

    4) I would have fired Tanard Jackson as well…however, consider this…he’s a good player and because of his trespasses, he came cheap. We had no one to replace him (and still don’t). Although, I suspect that if Grimm and company had stayed healthy, Jackson may have gotten the axe.

    As to Talib…his issues are more related to physical violence, not drugs, drinking or dog fighting, so I can see why he’s been given extra chances. We had NO ONE to replace him. Regardless of what you say, there are only so many draft picks, and Dominick has been using most of them on the defense.

    You know that expensive CORNERBACK everyone wanted us to sign last off season? He played in 16 games and only had 3 interceptions. If Dominick had signed him, you would be complaining that he wasted money. Turned out, not signing Nnamdi Asomugha was the right move and there was no one else worth getting out there at the time…not at the going rate.

    Talib’s chances might just have run out though. Between having a new coaching staff and him going to court…he might finally get the axe.

    5) What has Dominick done? He’s made some bad decisions…but it’s unclear how much the Glazers had a hand in them. The fact that he was not fired as well points to the idea that they controlled everything he did…so now they are giving him a little more reign.

    But…he has gotten us a franchise QB, a WR that will one day be considered among the best, a top NFL tight end, and a RB who will be ranked among the best in another year or so.

    In addition, he has spent our top 4 picks in the last 2 years on the defensive line…a move that is slowly bearing fruit. He FINALLY got rid of Ruud and replaced him with a guy that did okay in his rookie season. He brought in one of the top kickers and one of the top punters in the NFL.

    And finally, he kept us in good financial shape to take advantage of the new rules next year.

    Is his track record perfect? No. No man is perfect. I wouldn’t be heart broken if he had been let go, but I think the Glazers did the right thing in keeping him.

    The new staff will know nothing of the operations and the area. Dominick will be the one to smooth things along on the things we don’t see…such as indoor practice facilities at the trop for example.

    SOMEONE in the know had to remain…and Dominick is the best candidate.

  25. A REAL Bucs Fan Says:

    Oh, and the 4 p.m. thing is a myth…so, people, quit talking like it’s a fact. The person who said it even stated that he made it up…lol.

  26. A REAL Bucs Fan Says:

    stevek Says:
    January 18th, 2012 at 12:06 pm

    10-6 was a fluke, as proved by the BUCs this year.

    10-6 looks like crap, when it is surrounded by 3-13 and 4-12.

    I’m 50% in agreement with you.

    I disagree that 10-6 was a fluke, but I agree with your second statement.

  27. stevie wonder Says:

    Funny how everyone thinks they’re a great gm, after the fact.

    Jimmy Graham, seriously? Every team passed on him once not just rock star.

    @apple roof Japan Pierre Paul was a reach at 15 and we had the 3rd pick in the draft…wtf are you talking about?

    If it weren’t for guys like kiper and mayock, some of you clowns would be happy taking lemichael James in the first round. Get a clue, drafting is a difficult science and Dominick has done an excellent job drafting this far.

  28. jarrett Says:

    sorry stevie wonder you must be blind if you think dominick has done an excellent job drafting this far.

  29. Sam Adams Says:

    Looking back at the old thread it was interesting to see how the hater Thomas felt about the team back then.

    “I am thrilled with the drafting of Freeman. It was a great decision to draft Cody Grimm and (probably Mike Williams assuming his issues at Syracuse to pop up). I even understand the Bowers pick in isolation, I just don’t understand the decision to draft 2 ends with injury questions.”

    “I think Stocker will be a good blocker and will make some positive plays.”

    “Without Free and Greg Olson last year (and a few others) they would have won 4 or 5 games last year.”

    Oh and he wasnt a fan of Clayborn, what a surprise.

    Good to see Thomas and Ollie were on the same page

  30. jarrett Says:

    Also pete dutcher dont use sammy stroughters name again as something dom has done good.

  31. eric Says:

    All the folks that went on and on about what a great young coach Rah was now cling to the myth that Dom is a genius.

    Maybe he is, but it surely isn’t a proven fact.

    McCoy cant stay on field, Price is always hurt, Free took a big slide along with Williams, Benn has never really showed up like a second rounder, etc.

    Too early to say, if the team rebounds with new staff it will bode well for rockstar. If not I fear we will have to rebuild the rebuild in two years, which will be highly frustrating to say the least.

  32. Joe Says:

    stevek:

    Cowards take off at 4 pm everyday.

    Do you know for a fact Dominik doesn’t work at home?

    Do you know for a fact Dominik leaves at 4 p.m.?

    How many times has Sapp been at One Buc Palace in the past two years, twice, three times?

  33. stevek Says:

    Mark Dominick = Mediocrity

    And to good ol’ Mr. Wonder, you are tripping. Dom has been about 50/50 with good/bad GMing.

    He is much more responsible for 15% of the collapse, he hired the fools that were coaching.

    I pulll off better Fantasy football drafts than this RockStar Joker.

    Dom is about as much a rockstar as Milly Vanilly.

  34. Howard Bass Says:

    It takes a great organization to build a winning football team.

    Great organizations that build consistent, winning football teams on a year-in year-out basis (Packers, Patriots, Steelers, etc.) have one thing in common: great scouting departments.

    The Bucs don’t just need a great coach, they need to focus on rebuilding a great internal organization, starting with their scouting department.

    I realize that Mark Dominik must shoulder the lion’s share of responsibility for the Bucs draft record but a other key player who isn’t getting much scrutiny in the media is scouting director Dennis Hickey. He’s been heavily involved in the Bucs drafts during both the Gruden/Allen era and the Dominik/Morris era.

    Dennis Hickey’s fingerprints are all over these drafts.

    I’d really love to see someone in the media investigate and report on how much influence Mr. Hickey has into final draft choices. He’s as much of a common denominator in the Bucs spotty draft track record over the last two administrations as is Dominik.

    Why isn’t Mr. Hickey catching heat for the Bucs drafts? If the Glazers really cared about building a winning organization (I know, wishful thinking, but it’s nice to dream) they’d show Mr. Hickey the door and build a prolific scouting department.

    Get rid of Hickey, promote Shelton Quarles and spend the $$$ necessary to get the best scouts money can buy.

    The quality of our football team will never exceed the quality of the scouting department .

  35. stevek Says:

    Joe Says:

    January 18th, 2012 at 1:34 pm
    stevek:

    Cowards take off at 4 pm everyday.

    -Do you know for a fact Dominik doesn’t work at home?

    I would hope that he does work from home, 10 straight losses he better be doing his HW.

    -Do you know for a fact Dominik leaves at 4 p.m.?

    Nope, but I do know that he is not a RockStar. He is an average GM for a cruddy team, with Cheap A$$ ownership!!! I love the Bucs, but hate the ways of the Glazers, and I am still waiting for DOM to hit me with the RockStar Status and make the Bucs a lasting contender with $$$ into the CAP.

    -How many times has Sapp been at One Buc Palace in the past two years, twice, three times?

    Good question, how many was he invited? 22 sacks last year for the BUCS? Didn’t Jarred Allen have that many on his own? We could get some info from Big SAPP on how to SACK.

  36. Joe Says:

    stevek:

    Good question, how many was he invited? 22 sacks last year for the BUCS?

    Pretty positive he had an open door invite… until the past couple of weeks.

  37. eric Says:

    Id like to see him leave at noon each day, or a sabatical for five years or so………

    Sell a little fools gold and ship him of to a deserted island.

  38. stevek Says:

    This has to be the offseason to restor the BUCs Identity.

    Git-R-Done, on the field, off the field, in the win column.

  39. Jrock Says:

    Steve,

    Not sure if anyone has pointed this out… but Myron Lewis is going into his 3rd year? Jimmy Graham is a rookie. Care to explain how we could have had Graham instead of Myron?

    I pretty much stopped reading your posts after I read that. Not well informed =/

  40. jarrett Says:

    Jrock,graham is not a rookie, and then you call him out for not being informed. cmon man you might be even more less informed

  41. OAR Says:

    Wow, some of these posts are too funny! I can’t believe how many “afterschool” GMs are out there.

  42. MTM Says:

    @ Dave

    You must drinking the same Kool Aid as Joe. The ” Rock Star ” has been so piss pour making picks it not even worth defending. I like how Dom talked with Mike Williams 3rd grade teacher. How about checking his time in the forty first. Williams can’t get separation to save his life or should I say career.
    Keep stuffing limes in the Corona’s your pounding. Being disgusted with your teams absurd strategy doesn’t mean your being negative.

  43. eric Says:

    Mike Tice!!!!!!!!!!!!?????????????????

  44. stevek Says:

    JRock: I may not be the most informed, but Graham is in his 3rd year buddy.

    I don’t mean to be a hater, I just don’t see Dom as a “ROCKSTAR”, we need to be real with ourselves and about our team.

  45. stevek Says:

    OAR: I put together better Fantasy Drafts on the Madden video game. lol

  46. Bobby Says:

    I love the way Rock Star Idiot Stevek has all these draft picks as busts after 2 years including last years rookies. He may gripe about Dom but I’m griping about ‘dumb’ and that describes his posts. People who know nothing about football should be banned from posting on football related sites.

  47. TurnThePage Says:

    No more of these BS rumors! — Joe.

  48. eric Says:

    Rockstars by nature tend to flame out…………

  49. stevek Says:

    Bobby,

    Who made you so high and mighty?

    It is safe to say Myron Lewis is a bust.

    You are griping about dumb?

    Is it dumb to consider Dom a “RockStar”? That is my gripe.

  50. Bobby Says:

    @MyTroubledMind or MTM…whichever you prefer….so Mike Williams didn’t get seperation his rookie year while finishing second for rookie of the year….hmmmmmmm. Funny how you look soooooo stupid when you post moronic drivel like you just posted.

  51. stevek Says:

    Bobby:

    Something wasn’t right with Mike Williams this year.

    Could it have been:

    1. The League knows he is now?
    2. Was Freeman that much worse?
    3. Is Mike Williams a #2 WR?

    We sure did not look too explosive on Offense.

  52. OAR Says:

    Bobby
    Was thinking the same thing about Mike Williams/seperation and the players drafted last year and the rookies drafted this year.
    Give them some time people. We have some talent IMO, they just need to learn and grow with the PROPER COACHING!

  53. OAR Says:

    For every 1. 2. or 3. there is a…..
    4. Not prepared, do to coaching?
    5. Sophmore slump, do to lacky coaching?
    6. Or Not bad for a 4th round pick WR?

  54. thomas 2.2 Says:

    SteveK and Oar:

    The material point is: Mike Williams is a nice player and worth the investment of a 4th round pick. but, does anyone think that he is a dynamic #1 player who would even be in Green Bay’s top 4?

    He is a #2 for most teams, a #5 for Green Bay and New Orleans, a #3 for Atlanta and so on.

    He is one of Dom’s better picks, and along with FReeman the only 2 that you can say appear to be solid draft picks.

  55. stevek Says:

    Agree,

    I would love to have a dynamic #1 WR.

    We lack a real receiving threat.

    Jermichael Finley anyone?

  56. Sam Adams Says:

    @Jarret we’ve drafted better than any team in our division…

    Looking back there’s only 6 or 7 teams that I would argue have had better draft picks over the past three years thus far.

    Ill take Freeman, Mike Williams, McCoy, Clayborn, Bowers, & Foster as solid pieces to our team. Along w/ blount, Dominick has created a nice foundation to build with. How many legitimate starters did he inherit from the Gruden regime? D Joseph, D Penn, Talib, and Ronde, which is a part of the problem. As far as drafting goes, Dominick has done an excellent job. Its almost everything else he does which concerns me.

  57. jvato24 Says:

    Finley drops more balls than a drunk juggler … No thanks

    THomas MW19 would be a #3 on Atlanta … ALOT of receivers would be a #3 in Atlanta.

    It was well known potentially the most affected players from the lockout would be 2nd year players which happened to be the group that slumped.

    I have to admit … Alot of the whining in here reminds me of highschool girls.

    We need more time to evaluate these picks … THis year we get a new HC and staff and lets see what happens … It will be a telling year .. I guarantee you that.

  58. OAR Says:

    Thom
    First off, Freeman is no Brees or Rodgers. Second, do you even look things up or do you just spout?
    Now having said that, Wlliams numbers this year are better than GB’s Donald Driver, James Jones, Randall Cobb and better than Altanta’s Eric Weems, Harry Douglas, which puts him at #3 for both of them not #5. Now as many yards as Brees had this year, not many teams WRs are going to compare, but believe me, he would have plenty of numbers with Brees.

  59. TheProsUseAdvoCare Says:

    “I would love to have a dynamic #1 WR……. Jermichael Finley anyone?”

    @stevek You are burying yourself at this point. The more you talk the less informed you appear. Finley = TE

    He wouldn’t even be an upgrade.

  60. OAR Says:

    Thom
    BTW Mike Williams has more catches this year than the Atlanta “all out of picks” Falcon’s Julio Jones.

  61. stevek Says:

    @ProUseAdvoCARE:

    Finely is a tight end from University of Texas, I know that.

    We need a #1 WR in Tampa, Mike Williams is not a #1.

    We need more then just 1 more playmaker on Offense.

    YOU ARE MISINFORMED if you think JerMichael Finely wouldn’t be an upgrade?

  62. Thomas 2.2 Says:

    Oar:

    Julio Jones had 8 TD, Williams 3. Jones had 959 yards, Williams 771. Who had a better year?

    How did 2nd year players rob Gronkowski, Jason Pierre Paul etc slump?

    Sam: how can you say such an idiot thing that we have drafted better than anyone in our division yet be in last place 2 of the last 3 years having lost the last 10 games by getting blown out?

    The gmc, price, Benn, Lewis, Moore, Miller picks have really paid off for us. Lol

  63. Paul Says:

    Who cares about his drafts, which I don’t think were bad (any pick would turn to crap under Morris) but he should have been fired for Quincy Black and Jeremy Trueblood. Thats 2 major contracts on practice squad quality players.

  64. jvato24 Says:

    Finley is more of a Diva than Winslow .. No thanks

    Ill take Justin Blackmon though

  65. jvato24 Says:

    Thomas … MW19 still had more TDs as a rookie … 11 I believe

  66. TheProsUseAdvoCare Says:

    Finley is an upgrade to who? Winslow? They have practically the same numbers this year and Finley pales in comparison to Winslow his career. If you mean to pair the two that would depend on the OC. Only Belichick is using multiple hybrid TE/WR/HB/FB this year. He can do so because Hernandez is not really a TE. He is a Hybrid. THe pairing of Winslow and Finley is not the same as Gron and Hernandez. Neither Winslow or Finley would be lining up in the backfield or consistently out wide.

  67. TheProsUseAdvoCare Says:

    @Thomas Matt Ryan had a great year. Freeman did not. Can’t put all of the number disparity on the Williams. Still, Jones did play better no doubt.

    Either way this season was a product of horrific coaching. I’m betting a few of those guys excel under a new coaching regime.

  68. MTM Says:

    @ Bobby Brady

    So under your theory Mike Williams was a stud year 1. He can’t get separation year 2. So he’s what ? Lazy or did the rest of the NFL figure out how to guard him. So what is it ? He’s great but was non existent for 16 games. Go pound another Natty.

  69. SteveK Says:

    Jeff Faine, our RockStar center, needs to be cut.

  70. OAR Says:

    Thom
    Again, all I said was, Mike Williams had more CATCHES than Julio Jones this year. Now if you want to compare rookie years? Julio “not-worth-the-farm” Jones had fewer catches, yards, and tds than our lowly 4th rounder! But, you would rather have us give up 5 draft picks for what looks like an average 4th round WR.
    BTW nice to see you do not mention you were wrong about your other “Mike wouldnt even be their #5 WR”, crap! Actually, didnt except anything more really.

 
 

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